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== Danny Thomas Show == | ||
| Adding Max Greenfield to famous alumnai of Cleveland High School, Reseda, CA. came from an interview he has done confirming this. | |||
| My editing of The Danny Thomas Show comes from TV Guide magazine. ] (]) 18:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :I have no interest in the Danny Thomas show. I placed a message on your talk page because you added junk reference tags to the policy page ]. - ] (]) 18:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Please do not do . I've been around for more than a year; see for my previous IP range. ] (]) 12:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Ha, ] just barely beat me to it! == | |||
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| She was a few seconds faster than I was! ] ] 15:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Then why did you say in your last edit summary "your last IP is clearly blocked"? See , it's not currently blocked and never has been. ] (]) 12:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Bishzilla faster than the both of you! ] ] ] 15:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC). | |||
| ⚫ | ::Cookies all around ] (]) 15:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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== LTA ID == | ||
| Do you happen to remember the name for the Australian "history section" LTA we revert a lot?{{diff2|1210786140}}{{diff2|1250395255}} I only need to remember once, then I can put a redirect on it forever. Thanks in advance! <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 00:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| For undoing my accidental rollback. I was riding on a bus (very uncomfortably) and apparently fell asleep while my watchlist was open, else I would have noticed it at the time. —] 11:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Remsense}} There's no LTA page, but a bunch of the accounts are collected at ] ] (]) 03:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Major Depressive Disorder == | |||
| ::Thank you so much! <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 03:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Blue Roof comments == | |||
| They can't all be un reliable sources, there is no point in removing everything. I've searched the best I could. Some are good scientific articles. ] (]) 14:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC) Please, help me selecting which sources can be of use. Thank you. ] (]) 14:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Hello Mr. Ollie, | |||
| :Please read ] thoroughly, it has already been linked in your own talk page. None the sources you used met that standard. Requirements for medical sources are very high, even sources in peer reviewed medical journals will often not meet them. ] (]) 18:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I did read, it's a complicated set of rules, but it's hard to believe not even one source was valid. It's understandable the requirements for medical sources are very high, but articles written by doctors or by colleges are up to meet the standards, they have both acceptance by the community and the academy. How would one know if sources in peer reviewed medical journals don't meet them? ] (]) 12:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{Tq| but it's hard to believe not even one source was valid.}} And yet that was the case. {{Tq|but articles written by doctors or by colleges are up to meet the standards}}, the standard is higher than that. {{Tq|How would one know if sources in peer reviewed medical journals don't meet them?}} By reading ] throughly, which clearly states that reviews are used and other types of medical sources such as single studies are not. ] (]) 14:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I can't distinguish between valid and unvalid sources, even after reading MEDRS. My sources were of all kinds and neither kind was valid, how? How can Harvard not be accepted as valid? Why are studies dismissed simply because there aren't any reviews? Some of my sources were based on a medical general opinion, which matches a review. ] (]) 15:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC) PUBMED is not accepted as a source according to Misplaced Pages despite what MEDRS states. If a study uses the scientific method then how are the results subject to confirmation and review? ] (]) 15:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you have read MEDRS and are unable to understand the sourcing requirements, I would suggest that you edit on non-medical topics only. ] specifically says that many things on Pubmed do not meet the guideline. My user talk page really is not the place to debate the requirements of MEDRS. If you have further questions about how Misplaced Pages works, I recommend that you ask them at ]. ] (]) 19:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| 1st time on this platform so please forgive me. You recommend that I state a source for this statement. I can assure you there is no source or research that validates or invalidates for that matter the statement that I made. Its a matter of physics. Storing water on a sloped roof as a blue roof is not feasible as the water will all flow to the low end of the roof, which necessitates a flat deck. Any engineer in the trade knows that, but few people considering a blue roof realize this. We have seen thousands of designs by engineers where this is the case. There is no agenda for stating this 'fact' beside trying to be helpful to the reader. | |||
| == Three magi == | |||
| Do you know of a better way to phrase this? ] (]) 14:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| How exactly are these "unreliable sources"? The one travel website had a photo of the tomb's plaque declaring the tradition of Balthazar. You don't have to agree with it, but when there's a plaque at a historical site declaring this tradition, that's a pretty good source in my book. | |||
| :If there is no source, then it cannot be present on Misplaced Pages. Have a look at ] and ] for details. We cannot write from personal knowledge here, everything has to be supported by a citation that a reader could click on to verify the content. Since the problem is one of sourcing, re-phrasing wouldn't address the problem. ] (]) 14:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Edit: I am FUMING. You removed information that was ALREADY on the Bazen article BEFORE I EVEN EDITED IT. That information was already on there previously, I just added to it!! People like you are why I hate editing[REDACTED] now. You can't add information, or even add TO information without someone looking up ALL your previous edits and undoing them!!!! The information on the Bazen article dates back to AT LEAST January. But now that I'VE added to it, what is it not good enough? Isn't an encyclopedia that anyone can edit supposed to share information? Nope, can't do it because of all the clowns gatekeeping on here. I am SO sick of this crap, and I want an explanation as to why you systematically removed information on all those pages.(] (]) 02:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::Hi Mr. Ollie. I can see your point. | |||
| ::I have read over 230 academic papers on the subject with many of these papers being flat out wrong. I am a co-author on 3, and I funded over $1,500,000 into a non-for-profit R&D facility for green roof research which has amassed the world's largest green roof hydrology database. We developed stormwater hydrology models to predict with extreme accuracy how these systems perform on flat decks and sloped decks. We are part of the green roof industry, and we operate in Europe and the USA so that gives us international perspective. | |||
| ::The blue roof and green roof pages have so many claims that could be refuted by another academic paper (how do you choose which one wins if they contradict?), they have a lot of confusing statements, and a lot of errors. Its weird that experts cannot make a simple statement. They are incoherent and are not serving the reader very well. If I can only contribute by using published sources, it severely limits if not eliminates the ability to add information that is neutral and yet very informative to the user. ] (]) 20:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::We have to rely on published sources because we have no reliable means of verifying who is an expert and who isn't, so we can't just trust in someone's personal knowledge. And the readers would have no way to verify for themselves - we can't have them just emailing whoever wrote the article. | |||
| :::Misplaced Pages has had a few high-profile cases where this has been a major problem. 'Follow the citations' is the best system we have been able to come up with. ] (]) 20:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Not the best response == | |||
| :Reviews of tourist attractions (or plaques at tourist attractions) are obviously not reliable sources for biblical history. Feel free to bring this up at ], but I am sure they will tell you the same. ] (]) 02:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Whatever. It's a PHOTO OF A PLAQUE AT THE LOCATION!!!!!!! But I'll let you win because I don't have the energy to fight losing battles. People like you are why this isn't fun for me anymore. Thanks for nothing.(] (]) 02:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| One can only try, I suppose. ] (]) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Is THIS (https://www.fondationmagos.com/en/balthazar-le-royaume-daxoum/) a good enough source? This is source number THREE now. If it is, please tell me so I can kindly restore it. Because I WANT this information shared but I refuse to keep making edits that are going to be automatically reverted.(] (]) 02:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::Obviously not. You should have a read of ]. ] (]) 02:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I do not believe that clearing recent additions to my Talk Page when I have read and understood them is "not the best response". Please do not assume bad faith. ] (]) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Once again, thanks for absolutely nothing.(] (]) 02:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| :: Absolutely no bad faith was assumed or implied, and I believe that any number of responses to good faith messages on one's Talk page are better than clearing them without comment. Seeing as we apparently disagree on that, I suggest that we end this discussion now. ] (]) 19:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You're welcome! PS: ] has two graves, both with very nice plaques and attendant tourism materials. Obviously both cannot be correct. ] (]) 02:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::COOL, too bad Bazen only had one and that has nothing to do with anything. Thanks for the sanctimonious and condescending attitude btw. Definitely shows that you're clearly in this for factual information and not just a power trip.(] (]) 02:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::::You're welcome again! ] (]) 02:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::I'd just like to close this little interaction by saying that pedantic, petty tyrants like yourself make editing this site a nightmare for regular people. It is the opposite of what this is supposed to be: a neutral encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit. Are you expecting a peer reviewed source for a LOCAL TRADITION? Your demands are unreasonable and spiteful. If you think Jimmy Akin would have an issue with my edits, you need your head examined.(] (]) 02:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::::::I am expecting a source that meets Misplaced Pages's sourcing guidelines, yes. Thanks for stopping by! ] (]) 02:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Thanks for continuing to wield power over those you will never meet like a kid who found his dad's gun.(] (]) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::::::::Remember when you said you were done posting here? Good times! Goodbye, now! ] (]) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::I hope my replies have caused you 1/10 of the aggravation you have caused me on this site.(] (]) 02:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::::::::::I'm having a great time, thanks for asking! ] (]) 02:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::::Misplaced Pages: the 💕 that Mr. Ollie decides who can edit.(] (]) 02:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::::::::::::Things would certainly go more smoothly around here if that were true! ] (]) 02:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::::::Hey, check it out! A STAMP from Ethiopia with Bazen identified as Balthazar on it! Gee that SURELY is a reliable enough source for his magesty, Mr. Ollie, right? Right? Still not good enough? Okay! | |||
| https://www.fondationmagos.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Etiopia-1024x629.jpg <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> | |||
| ::::::::::::::::::You should really consider reading ] rather than bringing everything that turns up on a Google search to my talk page! This has been fun, but it is time for you to stop posting on my talk page now. Goodbye! - ] (]) 02:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Danny Thomas Show
Adding Max Greenfield to famous alumnai of Cleveland High School, Reseda, CA. came from an interview he has done confirming this. My editing of The Danny Thomas Show comes from TV Guide magazine. H.I.S. (talk) 18:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have no interest in the Danny Thomas show. I placed a message on your talk page because you added junk reference tags to the policy page Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. - MrOllie (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Ha, User:Bishonen just barely beat me to it!
She was a few seconds faster than I was! Doug Weller talk 15:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bishzilla faster than the both of you! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 15:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC).
- Cookies all around MrOllie (talk) 15:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
LTA ID
Do you happen to remember the name for the Australian "history section" LTA we revert a lot? I only need to remember once, then I can put a redirect on it forever. Thanks in advance! Remsense ‥ 论 00:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Remsense: There's no LTA page, but a bunch of the accounts are collected at Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Sennick4858 MrOllie (talk) 03:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Remsense ‥ 论 03:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Blue Roof comments
Hello Mr. Ollie,
1st time on this platform so please forgive me. You recommend that I state a source for this statement. I can assure you there is no source or research that validates or invalidates for that matter the statement that I made. Its a matter of physics. Storing water on a sloped roof as a blue roof is not feasible as the water will all flow to the low end of the roof, which necessitates a flat deck. Any engineer in the trade knows that, but few people considering a blue roof realize this. We have seen thousands of designs by engineers where this is the case. There is no agenda for stating this 'fact' beside trying to be helpful to the reader.
Do you know of a better way to phrase this? Oscar-greenroof (talk) 14:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- If there is no source, then it cannot be present on Misplaced Pages. Have a look at WP:NOR and WP:V for details. We cannot write from personal knowledge here, everything has to be supported by a citation that a reader could click on to verify the content. Since the problem is one of sourcing, re-phrasing wouldn't address the problem. MrOllie (talk) 14:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Mr. Ollie. I can see your point.
- I have read over 230 academic papers on the subject with many of these papers being flat out wrong. I am a co-author on 3, and I funded over $1,500,000 into a non-for-profit R&D facility for green roof research which has amassed the world's largest green roof hydrology database. We developed stormwater hydrology models to predict with extreme accuracy how these systems perform on flat decks and sloped decks. We are part of the green roof industry, and we operate in Europe and the USA so that gives us international perspective.
- The blue roof and green roof pages have so many claims that could be refuted by another academic paper (how do you choose which one wins if they contradict?), they have a lot of confusing statements, and a lot of errors. Its weird that experts cannot make a simple statement. They are incoherent and are not serving the reader very well. If I can only contribute by using published sources, it severely limits if not eliminates the ability to add information that is neutral and yet very informative to the user. Oscar-greenroof (talk) 20:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- We have to rely on published sources because we have no reliable means of verifying who is an expert and who isn't, so we can't just trust in someone's personal knowledge. And the readers would have no way to verify for themselves - we can't have them just emailing whoever wrote the article.
- Misplaced Pages has had a few high-profile cases where this has been a major problem. 'Follow the citations' is the best system we have been able to come up with. MrOllie (talk) 20:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Not the best response
This. One can only try, I suppose. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do not believe that clearing recent additions to my Talk Page when I have read and understood them is "not the best response". Please do not assume bad faith. Boredintheevening (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Absolutely no bad faith was assumed or implied, and I believe that any number of responses to good faith messages on one's Talk page are better than clearing them without comment. Seeing as we apparently disagree on that, I suggest that we end this discussion now. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)