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	==Sock confession==
	Can you please look at this ? <span style="font-family:'Forte';">] (])</span> 12:55, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
	:They are back <span style="font-family:'Forte';">] (])</span> 11:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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	You may wish to revoke TPA. ] (]) 18:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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	Given their (if sporadic) of regardless of the citations attached, I might have indeffed this editor per ]. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 18:58, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
	:The thought crossed my mind, but then I really needed to wind up lunch and get back to work. We'll see what use, if any, they make of my tolerance. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
	::That's fair. :-) ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 01:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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	You may wish to revoke TPA. ] (]) 08:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
	== Three-Revert Rule Warning ==
	Hi sir,
	I am curious where this three-revert rule applies to me. Please provide evidence. I have actually not reverted a single page. I am not even on one, yet you flagged my account as three. Why is this?] (]) 01:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	:You're right that you've donne it once in a given article (I thought you'd done it twice in the Biden article, I was mistaken). However, you're bouncing from place to place adding lengthy digressions about a lawsuit that has a long way to go before it reaches a threshold of due emphasis. Warnings do not mean that you've breached a threshold, they are just reminders not to. I recommend that you wait until any court action becomes a significant feature of someone's life. Mere existence is not notable. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	== Would you mind cease reverting the positive changes I make to the page ==
	The statement I made was a highly neutral statement, that is pure fact, that is so embedded in Christianity- can it be more "neutral"?
	Or how would you define "neutral"
	It is not personal commentary, it is neutral explanation that is designed to make the text less ambiguous than it already is - as it seems biased towards the religion.
	The sentence "19th century priests - including Donders - showed no respect towards existing beliefs (including Winti) is by any standard not neutral, since:
	1. Is authos's presonal opionion not covered in bibliography
	2. Contains only half of the truth: most (if not all) missionaries does not show respect towards existing beliefs, becuase '''it does not go on par with Christianity''' ] (]) 13:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Misplaced Pages is not a messageboard for your personal views or analysis. I have no particular issue with the removal of that statement, but amplifying or explaining it strays into personal analysis. ff you persist in editorializing you will lose editing privileges. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
	== 71.65.65.144 ==
	Less than 2 weeks after the last 6-month block expires, somehow . <b>] ]</b> 00:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Well, more like 18 months, if I'm reading the block log right, but we can find comfort that they've at least moved on from Matthew Garrett. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 01:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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	== Hi, I replied on my talk page and on the administrators' noticeboard ==
	By mistake, I pinged a different editor. I edit it back, to your username, but I don't know for sure if it notified you or not. ] (]) 04:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)		Here is the newly edited version. Feel free to use it. " ] (]) 15:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I replied at AN. I think you probably need to take a step back. I'll reply at greater length on your talkpage. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 04:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
			:Just been blocked for abusing editing privileges. ] ] 15:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Recent block ==
			::Yeah, no surprise. I was busy baking for friends who are coming for lunch, a much more rewarding exercise than trolling the noticeboards or dealing with them. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	You recently blocked a disruptive IP. I suspect this account is the same person. They left a comment defending the IP's edit and then made the same disruptive edit at ]. ] (]) 01:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Yeah, I'd been waiting to see what else they'd do, there's no doubt that they're a logged-in version of the IP. Indeffed. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)		:::Sounds good, what are you baking? ] ] 16:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Just brownies, nothing complicated, but the kitchen smells great now. We're all going out for lunch and will come back here for dessert. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Love brownies, but to be honest, I can't make them as good as Ghirardelli does. ] ] 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::These are Ghirardelli, I've long since given up doing anything else. You can get them in the UK? '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Yes/ Amazon. ebay but cheapest at Costco. ] ] 17:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi Acroterion, can you rev/delete the latest BLP violation at ]? Thanks, ] (]) 01:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Looks like Materialscientist got there first. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
	::Nope, I did.--] (]) 04:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::Much appreciated. ] (]) 04:24, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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	Thank you for blocking ]. I think you may want to just go ahead and remove TPA, I missed on another page until I went looking through their previous contributions. This person definitely doesn't need to be allowed back. — <b>]:<sup>]</sup></b> 18:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Oh boy, I didn't see that either. I won't remove TPA unless they abuse it, but I will amend my comment, I see no redemption available to them. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you. — <b>]:<sup>]</sup></b> 19:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Block Followup ==
	You recently blocked ] for personal attacks, but I'm seeing very similar IPs (like ] and ]) continuing to post on the talk page in question. Maybe not making personal attacks, but it feels like block evasion. Asking here because you did the original block and it's honestly not clear whether this is something that needs to be reported/where that would even happen/whether a block expansion is even warranted. Can't wrap my head around rangeblocks, but when I tried to look at contributions over ] the edit history seemed to line up. ] (]) 01:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Want to be clear I'm not requesting that you expand the block, just asking what the protocol is here... Misplaced Pages policies can be positively oracular at times. ] (]) 01:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	::Rangeblocks take some getting used to, especially with IPv6. I think it bears a closer look, because blocked is blocked. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::On inspection of their edits, the first edit from that range was probably the most telling. I guess they've learned from the first block to tone down the personal attacks, but not quite enough. Iv'e blocked the new range. I suspect they'll find another /64 range, though. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thanks for the attention. A new block was more than I was expecting. If he does find a new /64 I'm not sure we can continue this game of Whac-A-Mole. ] (]) 02:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::::They should be tolerably obvious, for reasons I won't go into in public. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Comicsgate ==
	Hi Acroterion. I know you keep an eye on ], which is frequently targeted by irate editors. If you have some time, it would be appreciated if you could keep an admin eye on ] for a while, too; I anticipate some talkpage sealioning. ] (]) 22:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Thanks for letting me know, watchlisted. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Revert question at September 11 attacks ==
	Why did you this IP editor? I don't see it mentioned in the summary. --] (]) 00:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Did you read the edit? It wasn't a question, it was a garbled test edit at best, and was not an edit request or a suggestion for article improvement. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
	::Yes. I just thought maybe the new IP doesn't know the rules yet. I a welcome banner that has the rules and hopefully they will learn the ropes here. :) --] (]) 03:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::By all means. I interpreted it as a child who had a slightly garbled idea of what had happened who was trying out editing. We see that fairly often, though less than we used to, unfortunately. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Persistent removal of well-sourced content - Canada convoy protest ==
	Would it be possible to help? A convoy supporter is removing well-sourced content. It appears that the edits are politically motivated - they wish to remove any content that is critical of the convoy occupation (e.g. anything referring to the class action lawsuit). They are also adding inaccurate content. Thanks! ] (]) 09:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Whatever the issue is, you have both wildly exceeded 3RR. I’ll look it over and figure out what to do, but reverting like that is never a good idea - it should be reported at AIV or AN3 before it ever goes that far. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 12:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	Thanks for your help!
	::I'm not going to have the time to sort this out before I go to work, I'm going to leave a message at ] for other admins to look at. You should expect to be scolded for simply reverting instead of soliciting admin help from the beginning. I realize you didn't necessarily know that, but it leaves you open to sanctions too. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	:Someone has protected the article. I contacted info-en@wikipedia.org to ask for help, but received a reply 9 hours later. Sorry, I didn't know who to contact - I haven't encountered these issues before. ] (]) 17:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	::I don't think anybody expects you to know, from limited experience. In general, editors are limited to three reverts, at most, for anything short of really obvious vandalism or defamation, which this was not. In general, if you encounter this kind of thing again, I would advise reporting it at ] for simple vandalism, or ] for more complicated issues, and resigning yourself to the understanding that the article may have the wrong version until it can be dealt with. For flat-out edit-warring, like you saw, ], but it's best to go there without having done it yourself,and formatting it can be tricky. ] is a good resource. It can be hard to find help in the North American nighttime hours. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 17:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::Thanks, I appreciate the detailed info. I will definitely seek help if I spot any similar issues in the future. In this situation, it looks like a former protester/occupier is really keen to remove or counter any negative coverage. In response, we can talk about the use of reliable sources, and the importance of maintaining a balanced, neutral point of view.
	:::On the contact page: it could be helpful to add some more details there.
	:::"3. For vandalism, it is best just to fix it directly yourself; however, if you cannot fix it, you can email info-en-v@wikimedia.org and include the address or title of the article and a description of the vandalism."
	:::] ] (]) 18:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
	::::I've never seen a mechanism via email, at least Iv'e never participated in such a mailing list. I'll figure out where such emails actually go, I'm not optimistic that it's very closely monitored I'd avoid email response and just contact somebody on-wiki. Nighttime requests would be very unlikely to get attention via email in any case. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Lower protection of United Airlines Flight 93 to semi ==
	Hello. Extended confirmed did make sense on the 20th anniversary, but it’s been 2 and a half years and the page is still extended. It could potentially be lowered to even pending changes or no protection, but extended confirmed is overkill as of now. ] (]) 16:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
	:I've removed protection entirely, as the specific disruption has been dealt with. There are a couple of LTAs that might cause trouble, but they can be dealt with by semi-protection if needed. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 17:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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	== Violence against men ==
	Hello Acroterion, I see that you've protected the violence against men article. I personally disagree with your move and request the move to be reversed, however I am happy to hear your thought process as I'm not up to code with page protection. You cite an IP persistently removing material without explanation. There was an explanation for the move on the talk page. This user has also only removed this content once before, which was a day ago so is that considered "persistent"? Further, this user has added well-sourced content, so I've assumed that the editor is acting in good faith. From what I see, it didn't need to be protected. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 12:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
	:I take a less benign view. The IP appears to be trying to turn around the article's discussion on domestic partner violence, flipping the statements on women vs. men (i.e., persistently removing content not to their POV). They added a source that at least on its face appears to support their apparent POV, and then removed the reference that supported the original statement, with a talkpage comment that effectively stated that they just didn't like the reference. This particular statement has seen disruption in the past. The IP can clearly find the talkpage, and is welcome to discuss why they think such a significant reversal should be made, with a consensus of sources. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
	:However, since I have commitments for the rest of the day and won't be available to respond, I've removed the semi-protection, since the IP appears to be able to present talkpage discussion. Please keep an eye on things, the article has been a battleground in the past for this very statement. Any admin is welcome to reinstate or modify if needed. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks, will do. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 22:39, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
	== Diatribe ==
	is such an interesting word. ] (]) 03:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
	:"1. An abusive, bitter verbal or written attack, criticism or denunciation. 2. A prolonged discourse; a long-winded speech." '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
	::Indeed. ] (]) 03:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
	== Why shouldn’t I edit the talk page for Far Right? ==
	I was trying to polish and refine the comments on the talk page for the Far Right, but you undid my revision. Why? ] (]) 16:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Don't alter other peoples' comments. Period. And why are you using two accounts? '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Julkhamil, I removed your recent post, which was not on-topic for the article talk page. I second Acroterion's advice that you not edit other people's comments. You cited ], but none of your changes were of the types suggested at that how-to page. ] (] / ]) 04:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
	::I am close to blocking both accounts for general lack of clue and abuse of multiple accounts. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 04:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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	:On superficial reading, it looks like Ilywrch (who is not an administrator) did a very thorough review, more than I could do. But , at least while acting as an administrator, I can't arbitrate content, and I'm completely unfamiliar with the topic, so I would need to do a lot of homework to be of much use in any case. I would suggest ] for a moderated discussion if you think the issues are intractable. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 01:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
	::All right. I believed Llywrch was an administrator as it was stated in his profile page but in any case I'll see what I can do, thanks for the response. ] (]) 18:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::You're right, they are, but they aren't commenting from an administrator's point of view. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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	See ]. I've boldly deleted the passage based on that dodgy '']'' "citation". We need a solid RS for gushing fanpuffery, and I've seen unusable anonymous reviews in ] and ] which were better than that. I don't have the stomach to go over the rest of the article. ] (]) 21:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
	:I agree. The Internet has plenty of other places to post glowing odes. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
	::"Uniquely" triggered one of my alarms. OP at ANI ({{u|Binksternet}}) thanked my edit, so that's three in agreement. ] (]) 12:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
	== 31 hour block for the Talk:Leo Frank editor? ==
	I think it's warranted. Good close to that discussion. I got caught up in an edit conflict with you, wrote: Quick response before I block you for personal attacks. Source1mag is a conspiracy theory site. Eg "Shocking Mini Hidden Camera Shows – Corporate, Big Pharma Plot to Fire Tucker Carlson" and "Bizarre Oddities: Oh My, Obama’s Brother Says Barack Sold His Soul to Satan To Join the Illuminati" The American Chronicle is no better. ] ] 12:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
	:No objection, they're headed for an indef one way or another for POV pushing. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 12:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi Acroterion, it's been a while and I hope you are doing well. I decided a few days ago that I would see if I could make a low-key return to Misplaced Pages editing without too much anxiety, and the first thing I found was that Nsmutte had returned while I was gone... I came here to ask if you could help me with a renewed semi-protection of my user talk page, but I just noticed that you already did while I was typing the previous, so I'll change to a thank you! --'']'' <small>] ]</small> 13:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
	:I considered making it indefinite protection, in fact, I think I will, if you don't mind. I'm happy to help. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
	::That would be great. Thanks again! --'']'' <small>] ]</small> 13:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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	:And I have replied. Good luck with that. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 01:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
	== deletion of my wiki page ==
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	Hi there,
	I recently noticed that my Misplaced Pages user page, which was dedicated to well-known saints with followers worldwide, has been deleted. I'm writing to inquire about the reason behind this deletion. I've observed similar pages for saints from various countries, including the USA, China, Japan, and India. like similar content what my page was so if similar content with other page can work what is issue for my page..?
	Given this precedent, I'm curious as to what specific issue led to the removal of my page.
	Could you please provide me with more information regarding the deletion and any guidelines or policies I may have inadvertently violated? I'm eager to ensure that any necessary adjustments are made to comply with Misplaced Pages's standards.
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	:As noted in my notice to you, userpages are not workspaces for drafts, or alternate hosts for articles. Additionally, the content included repeated links to what I take to be your personal website, yatharthgeeta.com. Misplaced Pages does not permit that kind of spamming. Please do not use Misplaced Pages as a free webhost. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
	::Ok… thanks for your kind reply
	:: You mean if I do not use links of websites so I can Create a page for famous india saint..??
	::I was new on Misplaced Pages just started contributing here I will keep in these points in mind for my future page if any. ] (]) 18:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::You could start at ], and build an article there, using independent sources (not your website), and avoiding anything directly copy/pasted from anywhere, printed or on the Internet. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
	== 173.206.254.88 ==
	Some people just need to stick to decaf. -] (]) 20:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
	:It was a little on the shrill and manic side. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
	== Reverts on flight 93 passengers ==
	There is no actual way of knowing that the claims of the four men being the ‘ones who organised a revolt’ are true. The only evidence is from reports of what happened which have changed over time, and their accuracy has been questions. There is no way of knowing that the four men actually were the only four who decided initially. That is just what is reported through popular media and what was reported as being said in unrecorded telephone conversations. Tge use of names when referring to the 9/11 commission report is also wrong as the simply says ‘native English’ or ‘native Arabic’ speaker. The voice recordings have never been made public just a transcript, so any attributions to individuals is not confirmed. The definitive claims of ‘these four men did x’ or ‘x said this’ when not a recorded call in wikivoice is a misuse of wikivoice. ] (]) 16:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Your language implies far more doubt than actually exists. Reliable sources are reasonably concordant on these matters. There is room for modification, but I don't think the may-or-may-not tone is helpful. We follow the conclusions of reliable sources rather than introducing our own analysis of primary sources. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	::You are saying ‘primary’ sources here where in fact you are using secondary sources.
	::also you have omitted that I have pointed out inconsistencies from official reports, to the non-official media reports. Also the primary source of the voice recorder has not been released.
	::the claim of ‘implies far more doubt than actually exists’ is not true as doubt as to who did and said what does exist. There is no way to know who ‘we’ or ‘they’ are when this is reported as quotes in media sources. It is unlikely the passengers all formally introduced themselves to each other.
	::The issue here is with flight 93 a lot of what is reported in the media is written as being factual and accurate, when it is speculation and conclusion creation on behalf of those organisations who wrote and published those. There is no way of knowing who was and was not involved in the passenger revolt. There is no way of knowing fair was just these four men or others unnamed were involved. It has to be written media and popular narratives attribute the events to be that this is what occurred. The official 9/11 commission report is not definitive but somehow popular media is. Remember popular media uses licence to create a story to sell the medium it is being published in. Stating things as definitive because it is in sources usually considered reliable negates that the accounts are not verified as what happened. Reliable and verified sources must be used, but just reliable. ] (]) 16:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::Misplaced Pages uses "the media" for sources. If you have wording that you think more accurately reflects the 9/11 report and reliable sourcing, describe it on the relevant talkpages. Again, your wording is more vague than I think is warranted. I think there are better ways to approach the issue of what is knowable and unknowable than inserting a bunch of waffle. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	::::I reject the phrase ‘a bunch of waffle’ it’s not in good faith. Also attributions to who has said an individual thing is common on Misplaced Pages. It is more than common to go ‘according to newspaper’ or ‘publication stated about subject’.
	::::what is being missed here is assumption bias of this is what has been reported for a long time by lots so it’s correct. Which is a form of bias to avoid. Lots of people saying something over a long period is not verifiability in and of itself. ] (]) 17:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Please be careful with the "not in good faith" accusations - I am responding to you in good faith.
	:::::Attributions are typically used when there are other widely discussed views. Take it up on the article talkpage - the onus is on you to find consensus for your changes. At the very least, they're awkwardly phrased and convey waffling rather than attribution. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 17:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::::: I want to add my complete support for Acroterion's comments above. To repeat, the onus is on you to find consensus for your proposed changes. You do appear to waffle and find objections to other Misplaced Pages pages. ] (]) 17:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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	I saw to 49.185.208.16. (Thanks for the backup, btw. It's good to know that someone else found that edit sketchy) Do you know if there's a discussion/policy that specifically addresses the issue of "Jew-tagging"? Or is it something that is enveloped by ] and ]? ] ] 00:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
	:It comes up at ANI from time to time, and it's condemned each time. In the MoS it's specifically deprecated - see ]. We get two kinds of editors that do that - proud promoters of Jewish accomplishments, and bigots. Before edit filters prevented it, we'd get ] instead. I'll look around for a discussion, I know one exists, and I've probably quoted it at some point. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
	:There's this and here . I haven't gone and looked for the AN and Jimbo discussions. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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	== Ships ==
	In {{diff2|1215767212|this}} edit you said that consensus was to refer to ships without gender. I tried to find the consensus myself but failed to do so. Is it possible that you can share with me the link to the consensus? Thanks. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 00:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	: I've found ] but all appear to have closed with no consensus. Am I missing something? —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 00:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	::I've just noticed someone mentioning ] which says that either feminine or neutral gender pronouns may be used with ships. Sorry for the mass of messages! —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 00:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	:<ec>Strictly speaking, consensus is not to change from one to another per ], so I misspoke somewhat in the edit summary. It's sort of like sticking to one language variant once it's established. Personally, I think it's kind of anachronistic to use gendered language for ships.'''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi – thanks for those blocks, looks like potentially a missed revdel over at ]. ] (]) 11:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Thanks, there appears to have been a group of accounts doing the same things there. I’m still looking at some earlier edits to see if they’re worth reveling. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 11:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
	== Fracture Critical Bridge ==
	I read your article.....and while I appreciate you asking me, I am not sure how much help I can be with it. (Although if you have specific questions from specific references, I might be able to help.) First off, I am not a bridge guy (I do mainly industrial buildings). AASHTO is kind of a world unto itself. Bridge design is a specialty area in structural (kind of like precast/prestressed). We use to gripe about the fact the SE exam was 20% bridge questions.....and we (i.e. building guys) were clueless. (I had to get AASTO's 16th/17th ed. and try to pick off the easy questions.....but I digress.)
	All that being said, here is a good thread (with some references) on this topic on Eng-tips.com: . Like some of the posters said: we tend to think more in terms of "redundancy" than "Fracture Critical". I am not sure if I've even heard that term before.] (]) 20:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Well, I'm an architect, so I'm worse off than you - my competency is in building structures, and as you observe, we generally think in terms of redundancy - there are few non-redundant tension-loaded elements in a building. Thanks for the clue, I'm going to try to stick to generalities and avoid getting down into the engineering weeds, and hope somebody in the AASHTO world looks at it. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
	::I came across another paper on this . I am kind of fascinated by the history of this.....mainly because I haven't heard of it. It appears this has been a focus in more recent decades. (After most of the references I am familiar with were written.) Of course, fatigue checks have always been a part of AASHTO.....but I didn't know this was part of their intent (i.e. a overall failure of the whole system).] (]) 21:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	:AGF doesn't immunize you against criticism for your behavior. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
	::This is directly addressed in what I posted above. I am not seeking to be "immunized from criticism". But if you fail to understand the difference between constructive criticism and unfounded accusations and not assuming good faith, then I do criticize you. In fact, my track record can show that I do seek objective feedback for my actions out of my own volition. And I do accept and recognize objective criticism and even when I make mistakes. But I don't like when people make unfounded and false accusations or rumours against me, much more administrators, who should know better. Thanks. <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">]</span> ] 22:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::I think you're acting in good faith. That doesn't mean that everybody is compelled to agree with you, or never to criticize you. The tendency to filibuster the slightest criticism is another characteristic that I'm seeing on this page. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	Yeah... so... – ]/]! Hope you see what I was ''trying'' to do! I think my logic is sound, even if the geography isn't!!! ] (]) 09:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Well, you got to within 400 miles or so the cities began with B and the states with M. However, I take your point, see my discussion on the talkpage about a pedantic insistence that the bridge ran from Dundalk to Baltimore, which may make sense in a legal sense, but is otherwise nonsensical, and I did say "outside Baltimore" or "to the east of Baltimore" would be fine. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 10:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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	This is not a hoax this is culturally significant local legend back by reputable news source. It also helps to further display the cultural impact the Chupacabra cryptid legend has stretched to other area of the world outside of mexico. ] (]) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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	== An IP range you blocked ==
	...a couple times for "Jew tagging" and in general bad editing practices has picked up where they left off after the latest 3-month block expired: ] A good number of their recent edits involve some form of apparent anti-Jewish animus (e.g. ) or whitewash well-known antisemitic conspiracy theorists (e.g. ), while others have simply been reverted for being unsourced or undue. As the most recent blocking admin, I thought I'd bring this to you first rather than give this person a platform at ANI. Cheers, ] (]) 01:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
	:If this was their first rodeo I’d warn or give them more rope, but they seem to be trying to skirt on just the edge of what they were doing before. 1 year this time. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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	== VisualDiff crashes on pages with complex/manual HTML changes ==
	Can you please restore my user page until after ] is resolved? The example links for reproducing the bug are no longer working. Otherwise, could you please recommend where/how I might post the ''exact'' same history so there's a working example the MediaWiki/Wikipedia devs can reference? Thank you! ] (]) 02:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
	:What on earth does a copied course syllabus have to do with that? User pages aren’t hosts for copyright violations or HTML debugging or whatever you’re trying to do. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
	::It's the delta (change) between the revisions that's relevant to the bug report. Wikimedia asks for "clear how to reproduce the situation" (]). Unfortunately, I only know the contents that trigger the bug in ] and/or the ], not the root cause that I would need for crafting an example from scratch. There-in, the relevance is to provide Misplaced Pages's software developers with a ''working'' example of the bug to help make visual diffing work more reliably for us all!
	::All that in mind, I understand that user pages aren't the intended place for providing Misplaced Pages's developers with such an example for debugging the underlying MediaWiki software, my apologies for that oversight. <s>Could you recommend where I should post a working example (solely for the lifetime of the bug report)?</s> Please disregard. I've attached the information directly to the bug report. Thanks, again, for the guidance. ] (]) 04:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
	:::Well, yes, that's what you would do. Putting a course syllabus, code source or not, in Misplaced Pages itself is a copyright violation from what I saw, and Misplaced Pages itself isn't a Mediawiki or coding forum. You might want to try the Mediawiki wiki for that sort of thing: . '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>'''
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	== Partial blocks ==
	So I just partial-blocked my alt account from ] and the template namespace (but disabled autoblock), and logged into it and visited https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%20community&action=edit. If I'd fully blocked the account, this would trigger an autoblock on my IP and this account; I'd like to try this, but ]. What happens if a partially blocked user attempts to edit one of these pages, and then logs out: is an autoblock applied, and if so, is it a full block, or is it limited to the scope of the original partial block? ] (]) 21:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Well ... damned if I know, to be honest. I'm not sure if the autoblock would apply only to the partial block topic, I hadn't considered that. I would ''think'' so, but it's outside my experience/understanding. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Zzuzz or another checkuser would probably have better insight on that topic, since they'd see the consequences. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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	== George Stinney "Talk" comment ==
	Why did you delete ALL of my "Talk" on George Stinney? ] (]) 20:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Talkpages are for specific, sourced, actionable suggestions for article improvement. They're not fora for the opinions of individual editors or for general discussion. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
	::In 1968 in Orangeburg, law enforcement officers shot thirty African American students, killing three. These students from Claflin College and South Carolina State College had been protesting a segregated bowling alley. Two year later, in Lamar, two hundred white men armed with ax handles, chains, and stones stormed three school buses transporting African American students to the high school. ] (]) 20:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
	:::Yes, it was a terrible time and place. But this encyclopedia's article talkpages are for suggestions on article improvement, not for general observations on how awful things were. Misplaced Pages is not an Internet forum. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
	{{hat|Not a forum here either, please read ], which has lots of sources}}
	::::To Acroterion (04/15/2024 PST Northern California),
	::::How do I say this "Wiki" Proper? I will do my best. But first I would like you to know a little something about me. I am a "FACT" checker from day one. My Grandmother imbedded in my little pea sized brain the following quote:
	::::"Believe NOTHING of what you HEAR and ONLY HALF of what you SEE".
	::::Let me start with 2 questions for you.
	::::Q1). BEFORE Misplaced Pages, where did YOU get your "FACTS"? (Please answer below)
	::::A1).
	::::Q2). My last reply to you (Orangeburg 1968), is most definitely a "FACT" but not from "WIKI". It is straight out of The Smithsonian Magazine, and it is only ONE paragraph of "The Orangeburg Massacre" in 1968.
	::::A2). You don't have to answer this question. You can try, but....
	::::Moving FORWARD...
	::::It is only ONE of the many "FACT CHECKS" I do when someone decides to, ohhh, "Underestimate Me". So, for you, I have attached a link of "The Smithsonian Magazine" article (Note that they do NOT have {#} please) as, quite frankly, I do not have the time to give all my FACT resources to WIKI.
	::::Lastly (I really hope you read this article), I NEVER come to Misplaced Pages for FACTS. I saw a "Documentary" about it on a "True Crime" (I am a True Crime buff) channel I "TRUST" and when I typed it into my browser (NOT GOOGLE) the "Wiki" page was the 1st to POP up (I bet you all pay billions for that spot) and I foolishly clicked on it (Because I know UNEQIVICALLY better than to trust this info). I read what "Wiki" had to "SAY" about "George Stinney" (the youngest EVER to be EXECUTED), saw hundreds of your blue {#}'s which I know UNEQUIVICALLY that they mean it was either "Edited for WRONG FACTS" or "Misleading", "Sorry, wrong, here's an update", "Sorry you were fooled by a so-called Historian", blah, blah de, blah ditty blah.. noticed the "TALK" tab and like a dumbass, signed up so I could write what I did the first time. Which, by the way, is so very true and I saw many others doing the exact same thing.
	::::In summary, Misplaced Pages is commonly referred to and known as (and ALWAYS has been from day ONE) "Wiki-Rumor-Has-It but we'll fix it with blue {#} if you call us out on something".
	::::My knowledge comes from a lot of research, fact checking and being or living someplace where I SEE, HEAR, and WITNESS the TRUE goings-on of what I UNEQUIVOCALLY KNOW as a FACT still happen to this very day! And I am NOT afraid to say it directly to anyone's face who attempts to "call me out" on a fact that I UNEQUIVOCALLY KNOW, LIVE and BREATH due to incompetent hacks who crossed my path of life.
	::::And finally, in the "Southern Schools" students are "NOT ALLOWED" to use Misplaced Pages for "ANY and ALL assignments or you will fail with a big fat F and have to do it all over again". That is a TRUE FACT that I know UNEQUIVOCALLY. And if you do not believe me? Please allow me to introduce my "Genius" son.
	::::I will now leave you to spew more "wiki" and I will kindly unsubscribe to "TALK". Just for YOU :).
	::::Here is "The Smithsonian Magazine" link. Enjoy and it has been my pleasure to tell you what IS.
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	::::Sincerely and from the bottom of my heart,
	::::TOPSECRETSQUIRRELL ] (]) 01:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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	:::::This is somehow a response to my request that you not use ] for general discussion? We have a very detailed article on the ], extensively referenced to scholarly sources. Please feel free to read it. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I did! Then immediately went back to "Britannica.org" and "The Smithsonian's Library". ] (]) 12:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Hey ==
	who was inviting to be site blocked? I did not see the message because of an edit conflict. ] (]) 17:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Not you! '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 17:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
	::ok just making sure. sorry ] (]) 17:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	I was just removing unsourced content because ]. ] (]) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
	:it's preferable to find sources instead of summarily removing it, unless it's agreed to be dubious or unsourced and tagged as such for a long, long time. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
	::I wonder what ] is all about. ] (]) 02:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::@] It looks like they are trying to get auto-confirmed in a hurry. -] (]) 03:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thanks. {{U|Spicy}}, did you find anything exciting? ] (]) 16:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::I don't know what counts as exciting, {{u|Drmies}}, but you may want to have a look for yourself. My response was "meh..." ] (]) 16:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::Well, at least we've given them some time back that would otherwise be used in adding periods, one by one. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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	Why did you revert my edit on List of Fictional Countries of the Earth? There was nothing wrong with my addition ] (]) 11:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:It is unsourced, and I missed the link back to the main article. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	::It is not my fault there is no article about the book yet. That is why i linked to the author's article where the book is mentioned
	::There are also plenty completely unlinked cases on the article so i don't get why you're singling this one out specificially? ] (]) 19:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::There really ought to be an article on the book first, and there really ought to be sources for the others, and for your addition. I've left it there though. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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	== Why Did You Remove RossoSPC's Sandbox ==
	Let me get myself clear. RossoSPC's sandbox is a '''sandbox'''. Not an article, a sandbox. He's not making that a real article. Yes it is a hoax, but it's a sandbox, not an article. I do sound uneducated but I'm still somewhat confused that you deleted a sandbox
	] (]) 02:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Hoaxes aren't permitted anywhere on Misplaced Pages. See ] and ], G3, which applies everywhere, not to mention that Misplaced Pages isn't a free webhost for fiction. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	::he said he was testing out how to work on combat articles though ] (]) 02:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::war articles*
	:::also im going to migrate it to my own website do not make a big deal about it please ] (]) 02:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	:supposed to be a work of fiction not a hoak but ok ] (]) 02:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	::You wrote something in the format of an article purporting to describe a civil war in Texas. It's both. Not here. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::i will migrate it to my fiction wiki then ] (]) 02:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::Which is perfectly fine, I understand your motivations for creating it, I've done things like that too (long ago, before the Internet). '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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	I actually quit a couple minutes before you fired me! ] (]) 13:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	:And people who tell me I'm doing something wrong have to be punished for being meanies. I think they're a teenager based on the edit to Bearcat's userpage and the edits to their own userpage that had to be suppressed for TMI, so it all goes together. I think they're not yet living in the Real World and are finding out what adults expect of other adults the hard way. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 14:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	::Yeah, that seems pretty likely. ] (]) 16:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
	== May 2024 request ==
	Not sure if {{Diff|Sweet Trip|prev|1224286030|this content}} should be ], but the link to the Reddit thread is definitely slander. Thanks in advance for looking into this.]] 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	:I think so, it makes criminal allegations and, while that doesn't appear to be the primary intent, includes a promotional link. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 14:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	== 200.88.232.145 ==
	How do you know they're using a proxy? Or, is it just an assumption because that second Talk:AOC comment made it clear it was LTA? &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 22:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	:The IP shows as previously blocked as a proxy. My assumption of course is that the previous block was correctly attributed. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	::You mean with ? Or a different one? &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 22:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::Well . Maybe that /24 needs to be shut down. I think it's highly unlikely that person is in the Dominican Republic, but whether or not he is I think that range can get a longer block. Expanding to a /22 shows edits that clearly originate in .do. ] ] 22:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::Oops, never mind - just noticed you blocked the /24. ] ] 22:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::No, when I went to block the IP for awfulness, the Twinkle block window told me that the IP had been previously blocked twice by ST47ProxyBot,which also shows in the block log for that IP. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
	== PicturePerfect666 ==
	I’d take a look at the user’s talk page history, at least, before continuing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Ironically, I warned all involved users in a discussion taken there that accelerating rather than trying to communicate leads to things getting heated and makes it worse - but they called the whole section ridiculous and removed it without, per their edit reason, ]. I wanted to try AGF asa far as possible, but if that behaviour has got to the point of a temp block, the message isn’t getting through. I also don’t know how old the account is, but the aggressive weaponising of irrelevant policies ] to me. ] (]) 09:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	:That kind of conduct is something I see on a practically weekly basis all over the 'pedia, and it's not a subject area where I have an extensive knowledge of the perennial problems, but I'll take a look around. At the moment I'm trying to remind a bunch of people to stay out of trouble. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm not going to comment on the article talk page itself because of my previous warning about the contentious topic marker, but I'm pretty sure PicturePerfect666 has just created a sock to continue their edit war. See the "Revert needed" section of ]. ], signs up at 01:42, posts that topic at 01:47 with knowledge and opinion of the editwar, and then immediately retires the entire account (a process new users aren't normally aware of) at 01:48. Big ] to me. ]] 07:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::To go through proper channels about this, ]. ]] 10:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::As Bbb23 notes, it's not something that's actionable on its face. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	== 1RR on Eurovision article ==
	Just a simple question: does the 1RR on the article apply only to content that relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict or to all content? ] (]) 12:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Only for edits that relate to Israel/Palestine. 3RR applies otherwise. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	== Hello, ==
	I added CORRECT info to the ``''North Korea and weapons of mass destruction''`` page which YOU have reverted, I have intelligence about this subject, b/c my Cousins in laws cousin is part of a mission discovering the EDP445 missile, thanks! -UI ] (]) 02:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
	== Arbitration request opened ==
	Hi Acroterion - just wanted to let you know that has opened an arbitration request about ARBECR - just thought you would like to know, seeing as the other day, and the arbitration request case relates to the same group of users, so you might have specific insight into the topic. Only posting in case you didn't see it and would like to make any statements - feel free to completely ignore this
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Extended_confirmed_restriction ]] 17:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
	== Removing stuff from my talk page ==
	you reverted a junky comment on my talk page. It would be good if you'd at least use an edit summary to say why when doing such things. ] (]) 18:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Sure, will do. There were dozens of similar spammy edits made by the same block-evading IP. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
	==IP rants again==
	Given this latest bit of lunacy, including the continual use of a variation of "retard", and some weird kind of self-promotion, maybe it's time to shut that guy down. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 22:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Um, yeah. I'm thinking of founding a think tank too. Its first position paper will examine "Gelato vs sorbetto: which is more satisfactory after dinner?" Research is warranted. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
	::Mmmm. Sounds like a savory subject. :) Better be careful about that block. He says it's illegal. :) ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 23:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::Apparently national security is at stake. I say gelato, at least until I run out. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::Yummy stuff. :) Meanwhile, I advised him that this is a privately owned website and that his threats are meaningless here. I'm just wondering if he's going to yap his way into making a full-blown legal threat. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::And I see what you mean about the /64 range being mostly undisruptive. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 00:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::Yeah, I was a little surprised that they're taking a leap off the high board, their editing history doesn't give any hint that I saw to lead to this Double Top Secret special security police business. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 01:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I've turned off their talkpage access because TERRORISM and DHS and all. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Very good. It was actually getting kind of comical. I've been here a number of years, and have been accused of various things, but I think this was the first time alleging I was a national security threat! In any case, the California-based IP has said enough by now that any recurrence of this rhetoric under another ID should be easy to recognize. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 02:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::I was kind of hoping they'd invoke ], since it's clearly of such high-level national importance. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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	== I need help ==		== NMSU basketball ==
			No idea how to put this gently, but the ongoings under Heiar and Moccia were serious and are common knowledge in the I-25 corridor. Three players sexually assaulted three other players and two student workers, and a UNM player was killed by a NMSU player. "Hazing" doesn't describe what happened at all. ] (]) 16:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	ad you have helped me in he past. My name is Einar, on[REDACTED] I am carptrash and today I was blocked from editing on wikipedia. When I tried to report it through the suggested channel I was informed that there was o block, but there was one everywhere else. I am now at a friend's house, where I am not blocked. How can I get unblocked at home? Thanks, ] (]) 05:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello Einar. I’ll see what I can do, but it will probably need a checkuser o see what’s going on with your IP. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 11:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		:The references don't support your assertions. If you think it ought to be included, find explicit reliable sources. "Common knowledge" isn't admissible here, and the ] policy applies. Don't report rumors or unsubstantiated assertions of serious criminal conduct. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			I'm sorry, but recent sources such as this and this are unambiguous, they use wordings like "sexual assault" and "sex abuse" for the happenings on the NMSU basketball team. KFIX and ESPN are mainstream news sources with no particular agenda. It's permitted to call a spade for what it is. ] (]) 20:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Asking other CUs. ] ] 12:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{u|Carptrash}}, from a CU perspective I'm not seeing any blocks that should be affecting you. Were you logged in to your account when trying to edit? Most IP blocks will not affect registered accounts. ] (]) 12:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	::::If you ''are'' unable to edit while logged into your account, please send me an email with the message you get while trying to edit, including the IP, and I'll look into it. ] (]) 15:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks all, I have been unable to log into my account for perhaps a month but was still able to edit as a number, but no more. But I can at a friend's house. ] (]) 23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::::I will try and do that, the problem is that all that sort of information is on my computer at m house but I can't edit there. I need to email it over here. Maybe I'll try and do that now. It just involves some driving around. ] (]) 23:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			:To add to this: two of the men who were assaulted were paid 8 millions in restitution. If you can get that amount in a settlement you know the cSe had merit. ] (]) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Reply For My Page That Has Been Deleted ==
			::Then don't call it "rape." And we don't infer from sources that anything "has merit" in that manner from a civil proceeding, that doesn't establish criminal culpability, only that there was a settlement. Yes, bad things happened, but we can only report on what reliable sources explicitly state. Inference is of no use here; stick to the sources and don't embellish or interpret. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			The report from NM DOJ does not mince words. The executive summary on pg 3 uses words like "sexualized hazing" and "sexual assault", and on page 10 the DOJ is explicit in stating that Heiar was terminated for cause shortly after the abuse was reported to police. That Moccia was terminated for cause is not disputed, that fact is widely reported in the news. "Scandal" is too mild a word for what went on at the institution.
	why you deleted my artist about page? that was for my google page with all my social network, when you type slainix on google there's a page that show with social network etc, i don't understand why it got deleted, it's not to promote myself i do that, it's for people who don't know me yet this p*ss me off. ] (]) 10:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:Misplaced Pages isn’t a place to promote yourself. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 11:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			As far as criminal proceedings go, two of the three suspects have pled guilty, and the third one is currently at trial and is looking at 5 years of prison. The complaint from the State is for "Criminal Sexual Penetration", "Criminal Sexual Conduct" and "Conspiracy to Commit Criminal Sexual Conduct", it's not great.
	== Today it is this ==
			(Aside: US criminal law is a mess, many actions that ought to fall under criminal law are instead brought as civil actions, most infamously police misconduct. The public prosecution needs to stay in the good graces of the police, so the injured party brings a civil action and then settles before the case gets to a jury. At some point the "non-admission of liability" clause ends up being not really meaningful. Someone suffered injury, and they are awarded much money, and we can't call it for what it is. Suspicious people will say that was the intention all along.) ] (]) 19:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:We call it exactly what reliable sources say it is. The problem with the edits this weekend was with amplification beyond what the sources said. There is no bar to stating the issues (in accordance with ], and remembering the requirements of ]); we just need to stick to the references. All I want you to do is to stick to what reliable secondary sources say in accordance with policy, and we can talk about the problems with the program. We just have to do it with care and accuracy; this is the #7 website in the world, and we have a responsibility to get it right. No editorializing. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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			I'm curious as to why you thought it was appropriate to override my decision an hour later, when they had made no further edits? I believe my choice was within the bounds of administrative discretion and should not have been overridden without good reason. ] ] 00:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:We have different ideas of what constitutes a promotional-only account with username issues, I guess, it looked pretty clear-cut to me. I didn't think of it as ''overriding '' you, please don't take it that way, and honestly I didn't check to see ''who'' might have deleted the page; we shouldn't have to go walking on eggshells around certain administrators. We've all had occasions where we've taken a more gentle or lenient approach, or abstained entirely, and had another admin take a different action. This is the nature of our distributed administration of this website. I have a less optimistic idea of what demands a promotional account is likely to impose on our volunteers than you do, I guess.
	The IP address or range <redacted and sent to Spicy and Drmies> has been ] by ] for the following reason(s):
			:However, I am happy to reverse the block, as always, if another admin disagrees. While you may not think so, my overall approach to spammish accounts is pretty close to yours, and I believe I've made that clear in the RFC. I have different reservations about promotional usernames than you do, and it bothers me that we tend to act more harshly on accounts that at least are being more honest with us (like this one) than somebody with a throwaway username that's doing the exact same thing. I don't have a wise solution, except that the editing interface for user page creation might offer better guidance that WP isn’t like Facebook, and if you’re looking to expand your social media presence, you’re in the wrong place. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::To be clear, I don't think anyone need walk on eggshells around me, but I do feel that any admins decision to take a particular course of action shouldn't overriden without a compelling reason. I see blocks I wouldn't have made all the time, but I don't just go undoing them unless they are truly egregious.
			::I think the thought of some sort of caution or warning when creating a user page/sandbox is a good one, and not an idea I believe I've seen before. We clearly have an issue where lots of people every day think this is the place to come to "get the word out" and something like that could help curb it at least a little bit, although knowing how the software is we'd want to make sure it actually works on the mobile apps as well.
			::As I recall, the community has asked in the past for something similar when usernames are created, that being the obvious other facet of this issue, but I don't think we ever actually got it. ] ] 06:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::An absence of action isn't easily discernable here, and given the way the various queues and happenstance work it's not always the case that a deletion without a block indicates some kind of forbearance. However, I would have figured that out if I'd looked at the talkpage; most of the time it's just a speedy deletion flag, but sometimes not, as in this case. Keep in mind that those who patrol the edit filters look at the edit filter detail output, which is usually more diagnostic than what might have been successfully saved.
			:::However, it was my impression that you were not particularly concerned with spam username/spam actions, but rather an apparently good-faith username with spammish content who might be brought around to being a contributor, and userspace deletions. There may be a unicorn out there who registers a promotional name and posts promotional content, who might be persuaded to be a contributor, but I haven't encountered one yet. I've nursed promotional editors along, and can't say that I've had any successes. I've had better luck with vandals, who aren't financially or ideologically committed to vandalism. We've got a recent serial sockpuppeteer who is somehow trying to edit on behalf of the UAE Federal Tax Authority, who is an example of the more extreme sort, who has rejected patient advice and who presumably has been commissioned to establish an FTA presence on all platforms no matter what.
			:::Spambots are another matter, and we should show no mercy there. They're prohibited by the ToU, and should be treated as LTA block evaders. They're tailored to superficially look like good-faith accounts, and they've been running as long as I've been here. They're much less of a problem than they used to be.They're instantly recognizable once you've seen a few, and I always tag the deletions and blocks with custom summaries: "spambot."
			:::As I've pointed out, my practice, and that of most admins, is to delete and warn for the promotional content without an accompanying promotional username, but the usernames that represent organizations pose a general username policy issue apart from promotion; it would be more of a question whether to softblock or hardblock in those cases. I would generally softblock if there was no accompanying promotion, or more likely just wait and see what they do (which is a standard answer at UAA), since a lot of those accounts have second thoughts and never edit. I'm not actually sure how the 499 edit filter interacts, I think it logs only and doesn't warn. There are a lot of false or ambiguous positives with 499 (as I said at the RFC, about half can be ignored), perhaps a more narrowly-tailored filter might target a smaller subset with a warning, but that's outside my skillset to construct or even propose in much detail. Perhaps 499 could be tailored for a fairly general reminder to not be promotional and to remind that WP isn't social media. I'd prefer proaction over reaction, which is the current state of affairs. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 12:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	longterm vandalism
			{{u|Acroterion}} (I'm also tagging {{u|Liz}} in this request as a draft deleter who is), can you undo ] because the player is expected to debut () at ] in the ] which ], and I believe that the draft can serve as a kind of starting point for the development of the article before its debut, which after its debut will be concretized into a full article. ] (]) 01:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	This block will expire on 00:28, 6 June 2025. Your current IP address is <redacted and sent to Spicy and Drmies>.
			:I'll wait for Liz, but as usual, I have no problem with undeleting these drafts so you can work on them. Let me know if you don't hear from her; weather depending, I may be away for a while tomorrow for some minor eye surgery. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, if there's no reaction from {{u|Liz}}, then I'll let you know and wish you a speedy recovery. ] (]) 02:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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			::Thank you for returning the draft article! ] (]) 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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	:{{u|Carptrash}}, that block is set only to affect logged-out users, so you should be able to edit as long as you are logged in to your account. If you're having trouble logging in, you can try resetting your password using ]. ] (]) 11:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Bilseric evading block again. ==
	See ]. They even link to the discussion you closed where they admitted being a sock. ] ] 19:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
	:The IP is blocked now. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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	== RD2 hiding ==
	Hello - you hid a revision on my talk page () as grossly insulting or degrading. I do not find this edit insulting or degrading and did not ask for it to be hidden; can you please un-hide the edit? Thank you ] (]) 19:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
	:We were more concerned about potential outing, not that I believed that any of it was real, but we wanted to err on the side of safety. As long as there are no concerns on your part, I will un revdel it. The "grossly insulting or degrading" was more a term of art for the revdel. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
	::Oh, no, from the snippet that I was able to read, there is no danger of real information being divulged in that edit. ] (]) 06:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::Unhidden now. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thanks ] (]) 18:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
	==Downgrade protection==
	I realized you downgraded protection for ]. Can you as well do the same for ]? Its protecting admin is currently less active than you are.] (]) 17:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	:I can, but given a history of attempts to move titles, I am reluctant to do so. What do you think would need to be done with the redirect if it was unprotected? '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	::Downgrade edit-protection to semi. Just keep the move-protection settings as it is (extended).] (]) 19:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::I'm OK with that. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	::::Wait a moment! I mentioned ''extended-confirmed action'' for move-rights, not ''autoconfirmed access''! Aside from that, I am alright with your changes to edit-rights.] (]) 20:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Yeah, we're really not supposed to keep ECP if it's not needed, so I brought it all to autoconfirmed. My decision. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	::::::This time, ''I am the one'' who is uncomfortable. You mentioned that there are {{tq|attempts to move titles}}, though not sure if you're typing about the target page or redirect, but that case was unfortunately true with ] five years ago which eventually got admin-move-protected. Furthermore, with the ongoing calamity in mid-east, I fear that both the target page and the redirect would experience a move-war given that both of their current move-protections are non-extended. Are you still confident about half of your decision?] (]) 21:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Yes. There are always possibilities, but we can bump it up if needed. The general guidance for ECP is to not make it perpetual except in unusual circumstances, and I think most of the potential move warriors have gone on to hotter topics for the time being. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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	Can anyone delete ] ] revisions?] (]) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	:Yeah, those are only less bad. I see an OS hit the others, which is good because work intervened for me. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Modified one of your blocks ==
	FYI: I extended block to indefinite and revoked talk page access due to , given that you'd already warned them that talk page access revocation .<span id="Swatjester:1718932366033:User_talkFTTCLNAcroterion" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> 01:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)</span>
	:Yeah, they're on too much of a hair trigger to be able to edit here. Thanks for letting me know. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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	Thank you. Ha, this reminds me that I have official FBI victim status--hasn't done a lot of good, of course. Comments by colleagues like you do help, and I appreciate it.
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	:{{ping|Drmies}} It's special, isn't it, having that status? We should form a club. People who never realized they'd be acknowledged as "victims" by the FBI for their participation in, and administration of, Misplaced Pages. Who knew?
	:If only it were easier to shut that kind of stuff down for good. ] ] 20:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
	::Hi, I'm Drmies, and because I do things on a website people email my bosses and tell lies about me, threaten to kill me, and threaten rape and murder on my family members. My case against one of these abusers (just one) went pretty far, all the way to the California State AG, apparently, and then--well I don't know what happened then. It's been quiet for a few years. What I'd love to see is the WMF taking these concerns seriously, and pressure law enforcement and start civil procedures. The real kicker? As a boy I have it relatively easy compared to our female colleagues. ] (]) 20:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
	:::Antandrus probably has even more experience along those lines than you do, unfortunately. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 21:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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	Hey, do you reckon the page should just be semi-protected indefinitely? I don't think the issues are going to go away. We aren't going cover (what are typically) symptoms of psychotic disorders in an in-universe way, so I think our coverage of the topic is always going to be upsetting to its proponents. ] (]) 04:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Probably. I won’t do it tonight, I’m about to signed, especially since it would turn into an argument about involvement, but feel free to ask at RFPP. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 04:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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	Literally every source (unless AI) is user-generated. Every book is written by a person. Every story told by perspective. ] (]) 17:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
	:That's not the same thing, please read ] to see what constitutes a reliable source. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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			Could I get a revdel for this please. Thank you. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:In general, ''pro forma'' racist vandalism isn't normally revdel'd, unless it concerns a specific individual or is particularly gross (i.e., "kill all ***). But they've earned themselves a week-long block and a place in my watchlist. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Got it 👍 ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::An elaboration - the "grossly-insulting" modifier is important, as opposed to the obnoxious-racist-jackass-who'd-better-watch-their-damn-mouth-if-they-don't-want-to-spend-a-week-at-the-dentist stuff. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, so I didn't make the request but I am a little confused. I was earlier told on a talk page to report an edit very similar to the one reported. Am I not supposed to request revdel these kind of stuff? <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 20:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Well, going by the way ''I'' read the policy, it didn't rise to the level of grossness usually revdel'd. We get a lot of dumb nasty vandalism, and we don't need to scrub the histories of all of it; revdel should be employed somewhat sparingly. We remove things that can bring harm or express a desire to harm, are copyright violations, insult or degrade specific living individuals, are the products of sustained disruption campaigns. or reveal the identities of people who wish to remain anonymous. For stupid schoolboy vandalism like this, it can stay there as a monument to their ignorance. Your request above was similar to this one.in its level of obnoxious rather than gross. Other admins may have a somewhat lower threshold for removal from the history, but it has never been meant for all vandalism. There does seem to have been a trend to apply it more generally to ethnic slurs like this one, but it's not uiniversal. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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	== Hey ==
	On the Tupac Shakur page on the lead where it says "african Americans" can you put the word "other" in front of African Americans since Tupac was also black. Action heroes are real keeps removing it and vandalizing the page. Thanks ] (]) 15:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
	:No. Read ] and work it out on the talkpage or at ]. If I see anybody else calling someone a vandal they're likely to get blocked. Disagreement isn't vandalism. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
	::so if ActionHerosAreReal says in his edit summaries "this is original research", even though he's removing multiple sentences in this Tupac article that is sourced, and he says "we agreed with my edit on the talk page" "see talk page" even though everyone disagreed with his edits even administrators and he's still warring with people, that's not vandalism? Ok it's not, since I didn't Read the rules about vandalism, but I'm pretty sure it breaks another rule. ] (]) 19:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
	:::No. A sincerely-held, mistaken opinion isn't vandalism. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::ok ] (]) 21:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
	== Some, if not all. ==
	I think you should go back and review at least some of those based on their recent editing history and consider self-reverting. While it might be correct for not all of those to have the tag, to have removed all of them includes cutting out the kidneys with the cancer. ] just as one example where this absolutely is being affected by the latest shooting and we should at minimum leave the tag in place for days, if not weeks. This was a world changing event. ] (]) 02:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	:I left a couple when I reviewed. No, your spammed templates were unnecessary and disruptive. They can be placed if needed by someone, but not the way you were doing it. No, it's not a "world-changing event," it's the kind of awful crap we have to deal with without overdramatizing. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	== No seriously, who asked you? ==
	Hey, so you left a response to something I said and when I said; "Who asked you?" You felt the need to say that just because you were an administrator nobody needed to ask you. Can you tell me why you feel like nobody should need to ask you even though you're the equivalent of a glorified hall monitor? ] (]) 03:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Can you explain why you think aggressive comments like this help us write an encyclopedia? If you just want to treat people badly, find someplace else to do that. I see that another janitor (we like that term better) has blocked you. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 04:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	== IP 2600:1007:B009:12EF:45F8:15C6:83CE:3639 ==
	I understand that different admins have different opinions on how to handle this sort of thing, so I'm bringing this up in an attempt to understand that discrepancy. Did you feel that my warning to ] was insufficient? – ] 15:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	:After the second trolling/forum post at ] I had decided to block if they did it again. I didn't see your warning at their talkpage until after I'd blocked ,and considered unblocking and leaving your note there, but decided to leave it, since I was more concerned with the trolling nature of the comment than with the issue you'd warned them for. I'm OK with unblocking and giving them a little more rope.'''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	::No need to unblock, I was just curious, for my own benefit, whether you disagreed with my handling of the issue or if you just didn't see it. Either approach is fine. – ] 15:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	:::We were just looking at two different aspects of their conduct. Recent events are likely to encourage this kind of soapboxing, and while we don't need to get to Barney Fife levels of bud-nipping, I think it'll be another thing we have to contend with. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	== Requesting early admin attention at concerning edit ==
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	Came across on a user talk page requesting sort of offline information prima facie might sound innocuous but to read with sentence not a very good vibe and I suggest some early admin look into the issue. ] (]) 17:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	:I see what you mean. I've left a note on their talkpage. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
	== Also posted about this on Jpgordon's user talk but could you also please take a look at ==
	a legal threat ? I reverted the post but thought an admin who had edited the article or posted on the article talk should probably check it out. I also notified Jpgordon since they had edited the article/article talk as well. Thanks, ] (]) 17:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
	:FYI, I blocked them for the legal threat, but I suspect they were not long for this project anyway. ]] <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> 18:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you both. People believe what they want to believe. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 20:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC).
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	Thanks for dealing with the ] report regarding this editor. Could you follow up with them regarding ] once more? Their after your warning about personal attacks was to double down on this notion that I somehow have an ulterior motive to supress the truth here. Thanks in advance. ] (]) 03:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	Nevermind, you seem to have already done so. ] (]) 03:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	:The axiom that a username containing some version of “truth” is a red flag remains intact. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	:: FYI they are now trying to circumvent their partial block by canvassing others to change the article back to their preferred version . I've just noticed this after reverting some interesting SYNTH and OR of theirs on a different article. ] 05:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	=== Redux ===
	They've returned from their week block by claiming that ] is a "fake news" website (it's Spain's foremost sports newspaper) and reverting more material to their preferred POV. I've final warned them, but I think we've run out of patience here - what do you think? ] 15:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
	* Yeah, the warning didn't do down too well so now indeffed with email and TP revoked. ] 15:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
	:*I was down to my last nerve with them anyway, so it would have taken a lot less than that torching of any doubt to indef them. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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	] of this as gross BLP violation. Thanks.]] 11:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Done, and /64 range blocked. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 11:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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	Thanks for jumping on that block. That was rather half-baked from me! ] (]) 16:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Stopping it is the main priority, then we can take further action. No worries, thanks for jumping in too. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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	While you deleted my comments on that talk page instead of providing any reply: Maybe you might answer here on your own page? Thank you and greetings from France's Atlantic coast. We do not have mountains here where you could remove any tops so all we are afraid of is that heaven might fall on our heads. ] (]) 21:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
	== Sock again ==
	You may wish to block another sock: ]. Thanks. ] (]) 16:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Oops, sorry. ] is the sock you want to block. Sorry about that. ] (]) 16:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
	::Or... maybe not, as they've been blocked already. ] (]) 16:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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	Your reversion of my edit left an errant ref tag and some very poorly worded text. Please review your changes. Thanks ] (]) 22:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
	:Your edit introduced informal commentary and removed a reference. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
	::Actually, no. My edit removed the informal commentary and restored the reference. ] (]) 22:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
	:::Yes and no: "became the stuff of legend" is hardly appropriate, but yes, you added a ref. You might want to reconsider that line. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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	Can you please ban and protect the page ] as I'm tired of rollbacking it. '''''Warm Regards''''', ] (]) (]) 14:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
	:Note: I request RPP and Ban of the account '''''Warm Regards''''', ] (]) (]) 14:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
	:Oh boy, another one. Yes, I'll semi-protect, along with blocking. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 14:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks '''''Warm Regards''''', ] (]) (]) 14:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
	:::I didn't realize it went beyond that account. Now long-term protected. Thanks for looking out. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 14:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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	I *think* I'm responsible for the initial discovery of the issue. I started reverting the Storrs-Mansfield after he had been doing it for a while and the wall of text summaries for the reverts was what brought in even more users to the issue. Yeah, sometimes the users just don't realize that the mops can become lightsabers. I've got a few of the Storrs -> Storrs-Mansfield pages on my watchlist, and I'm trying to keep a count of how many remain as I do cleanup. If I see any changes from Storrs to Storrs-Mansfield, which course of action is preferred, commenting here to you as the blocking Admin or putting a comment at WP:ANI? ] (]) 15:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	:You're not to blame for this person's obsessive pedantry. I don't think they're compatible with WP; we deal with lots of ambiguity and either-or issues, and this kind of absolutism isn't productive. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	::I don't think I am, though this is probably the first time (and I have more than 100,000 edits) that I have seen someone immolate is such a pendantic way. So *when* he shows back up, I'm not sure where to report it...] (]) 17:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	:::Just tell me, or Cfred. I've seen people like this before, who are willing to die on a hill to prove that "The Beatles" is better than "the Beatles," for instance. Some people can't coexist with ambiguity or contradiction. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 17:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	::::Will do. Again thanks.] (]) 18:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	::::Done undoing. In mainspace, only ], the UConn Student newspaper still has the string Storrs-Mansfield. At least two other experienced editors left it in the address for the main office for the newspaper while reverting other changes. Inside a street address, I don't think common name applies, so I think we are good, I'll do a check in a few days after his block expires.] (]) 03:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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	Perhaps some of the more vulgar comments on ] should be revdeled away? ] (]) 19:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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	] (and ], their last IP) has been edit warring on ], insisting that the recent remake of the game does not belong in the lede. Other users as well as myself say otherwise, because full remakes are notable for the lede and are often in GA and featured video game articles such as ]. They last edit warred on ] as ] and you blocked them, and they still have not learned their lesson.] (]) 18:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
	:I'll keep an eye on the article for trouble. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 19:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
	::As with the Chad McQueen article, they've been accusing us of 'advertising' for adding information that's relevant, and it looks like they are deliberately shifting around IPs.] (]) 02:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi there, I saw you were on the list of active admins and I think we've edited in some of the same spaces before. I just wanted to keep admin aware that the GSL ] is especially active these days which is of course partially my fault (involved). Just giving a heads up that there is current discussion on the talk page and at ].
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	:OK, but unless there's clear-cut misbehavior administrators won't intervene in a discussion one way or another, at least not in an administrative capacity. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 02:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
	::Understood, I know you have bigger fish to fry, and THANK YOU for doing what you do. ] (]) 03:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
	:::I took a quick look at the talkpage and while it's a voluminous, unresolved discussion, it looked like everybody's being reasonably respectful, or at least are not actively fighting. In any case, it's getting late and I'm wrapping things up for the day. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 03:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi Acroterion. You recently blocked two accounts ({{noping|Cavil5715}} and {{noping|Adelewhite125}}) for socking, and I bet that {{noping|Krisheven425}} is another sock in the same drawer. Same type of posting on their user talk page, about finding web development companies. --] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 14:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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	:Most current airliner pages are on my watchlist because they're favored by two or three LTAs, so it was pretty clear somebody was acting up. Glad I was able to cut that short. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 12:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi Acroterion. Would you mind restoring the visibility of the reverted edits made at this page? I've previously discussed with two other admins about the issue of hiding death-related revisions from this talkpage, which can be seen ]. Thanks, &#8209;&#8209;] (] <b>·</b> ] <b>·</b> ]) 21:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	:I disagree with Primefac's view that "we get death notices all the time, they're easily checked and not that serious of a BLP vio." In my view, maliciously stating that an elderly (or any) person is dead is as serious as it gets, and we have enough ghoulish fascination with being first to report someone's death that we don't need to encourage the trolls. And this is an LTA, so "purely disruptive" comes into play, with ]. Primefac's entitled to his opinion, but I see no value in unhiding the abuse. That said, if someone else thinks it's fine, they are free to do it. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 23:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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	::Lol you assume I can put together a properly constituted query? (not even sure what a query is, I just edit stuff around here...) I'll continue to poke around my old edits over the next few days, I know I've seen this editing pattern before... Somewhere. Thanks, ] (]) 17:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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	::That's why I went with three days and not a longer warning. Thanks. ♫ ] (<small>]</small>) 20:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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	:How about not lying about me, not trying to force jargon that nobody has used in decades into the article, not reverting just for the sake of reverting, and talking to me instead of childishly trying to get me blocked again. ] (]) 00:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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Here is the newly edited version. Feel free to use it. " Auxiliary213 (talk) 15:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Just been blocked for abusing editing privileges. Doug Weller talk 15:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, no surprise. I was busy baking for friends who are coming for lunch, a much more rewarding exercise than trolling the noticeboards or dealing with them. Acroterion (talk) 15:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, what are you baking? Doug Weller talk 16:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Just brownies, nothing complicated, but the kitchen smells great now. We're all going out for lunch and will come back here for dessert. Acroterion (talk) 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Love brownies, but to be honest, I can't make them as good as Ghirardelli does. Doug Weller talk 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

These are Ghirardelli, I've long since given up doing anything else. You can get them in the UK? Acroterion (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes/ Amazon. ebay but cheapest at Costco. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

NMSU basketball

No idea how to put this gently, but the ongoings under Heiar and Moccia were serious and are common knowledge in the I-25 corridor. Three players sexually assaulted three other players and two student workers, and a UNM player was killed by a NMSU player. "Hazing" doesn't describe what happened at all. 67.209.213.65 (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The references don't support your assertions. If you think it ought to be included, find explicit reliable sources. "Common knowledge" isn't admissible here, and the biographies of living persons policy applies. Don't report rumors or unsubstantiated assertions of serious criminal conduct. Acroterion (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but recent sources such as this and this are unambiguous, they use wordings like "sexual assault" and "sex abuse" for the happenings on the NMSU basketball team. KFIX and ESPN are mainstream news sources with no particular agenda. It's permitted to call a spade for what it is. 67.209.213.65 (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

To add to this: two of the men who were assaulted were paid 8 millions in restitution. If you can get that amount in a settlement you know the cSe had merit. 67.209.213.65 (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Then don't call it "rape." And we don't infer from sources that anything "has merit" in that manner from a civil proceeding, that doesn't establish criminal culpability, only that there was a settlement. Yes, bad things happened, but we can only report on what reliable sources explicitly state. Inference is of no use here; stick to the sources and don't embellish or interpret. Acroterion (talk) 20:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The report from NM DOJ does not mince words. The executive summary on pg 3 uses words like "sexualized hazing" and "sexual assault", and on page 10 the DOJ is explicit in stating that Heiar was terminated for cause shortly after the abuse was reported to police. That Moccia was terminated for cause is not disputed, that fact is widely reported in the news. "Scandal" is too mild a word for what went on at the institution.

As far as criminal proceedings go, two of the three suspects have pled guilty, and the third one is currently at trial and is looking at 5 years of prison. The complaint from the State is for "Criminal Sexual Penetration", "Criminal Sexual Conduct" and "Conspiracy to Commit Criminal Sexual Conduct", it's not great.

(Aside: US criminal law is a mess, many actions that ought to fall under criminal law are instead brought as civil actions, most infamously police misconduct. The public prosecution needs to stay in the good graces of the police, so the injured party brings a civil action and then settles before the case gets to a jury. At some point the "non-admission of liability" clause ends up being not really meaningful. Someone suffered injury, and they are awarded much money, and we can't call it for what it is. Suspicious people will say that was the intention all along.) 206.206.141.101 (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

We call it exactly what reliable sources say it is. The problem with the edits this weekend was with amplification beyond what the sources said. There is no bar to stating the issues (in accordance with the due emphasis guideline, and remembering the requirements of the biographies of living persons policy); we just need to stick to the references. All I want you to do is to stick to what reliable secondary sources say in accordance with policy, and we can talk about the problems with the program. We just have to do it with care and accuracy; this is the #7 website in the world, and we have a responsibility to get it right. No editorializing. Acroterion (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Block of User:Kelly Club NZ

This user made one edit, the creation of a promotional userpage, and was reported to UAA. Seeing the report, I deleted the page, and made a choice as an administrator to warn rather than go for the no-warning block.I made this clear at UAA.

I'm curious as to why you thought it was appropriate to override my decision an hour later, when they had made no further edits? I believe my choice was within the bounds of administrative discretion and should not have been overridden without good reason. Beeblebrox 00:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

We have different ideas of what constitutes a promotional-only account with username issues, I guess, it looked pretty clear-cut to me. I didn't think of it as overriding you, please don't take it that way, and honestly I didn't check to see who might have deleted the page; we shouldn't have to go walking on eggshells around certain administrators. We've all had occasions where we've taken a more gentle or lenient approach, or abstained entirely, and had another admin take a different action. This is the nature of our distributed administration of this website. I have a less optimistic idea of what demands a promotional account is likely to impose on our volunteers than you do, I guess.

However, I am happy to reverse the block, as always, if another admin disagrees. While you may not think so, my overall approach to spammish accounts is pretty close to yours, and I believe I've made that clear in the RFC. I have different reservations about promotional usernames than you do, and it bothers me that we tend to act more harshly on accounts that at least are being more honest with us (like this one) than somebody with a throwaway username that's doing the exact same thing. I don't have a wise solution, except that the editing interface for user page creation might offer better guidance that WP isn’t like Facebook, and if you’re looking to expand your social media presence, you’re in the wrong place. Acroterion (talk) 02:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't think anyone need walk on eggshells around me, but I do feel that any admins decision to take a particular course of action shouldn't overriden without a compelling reason. I see blocks I wouldn't have made all the time, but I don't just go undoing them unless they are truly egregious.

I think the thought of some sort of caution or warning when creating a user page/sandbox is a good one, and not an idea I believe I've seen before. We clearly have an issue where lots of people every day think this is the place to come to "get the word out" and something like that could help curb it at least a little bit, although knowing how the software is we'd want to make sure it actually works on the mobile apps as well.

As I recall, the community has asked in the past for something similar when usernames are created, that being the obvious other facet of this issue, but I don't think we ever actually got it. Beeblebrox 06:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

An absence of action isn't easily discernable here, and given the way the various queues and happenstance work it's not always the case that a deletion without a block indicates some kind of forbearance. However, I would have figured that out if I'd looked at the talkpage; most of the time it's just a speedy deletion flag, but sometimes not, as in this case. Keep in mind that those who patrol the edit filters look at the edit filter detail output, which is usually more diagnostic than what might have been successfully saved.

However, it was my impression that you were not particularly concerned with spam username/spam actions, but rather an apparently good-faith username with spammish content who might be brought around to being a contributor, and userspace deletions. There may be a unicorn out there who registers a promotional name and posts promotional content, who might be persuaded to be a contributor, but I haven't encountered one yet. I've nursed promotional editors along, and can't say that I've had any successes. I've had better luck with vandals, who aren't financially or ideologically committed to vandalism. We've got a recent serial sockpuppeteer who is somehow trying to edit on behalf of the UAE Federal Tax Authority, who is an example of the more extreme sort, who has rejected patient advice and who presumably has been commissioned to establish an FTA presence on all platforms no matter what.

Spambots are another matter, and we should show no mercy there. They're prohibited by the ToU, and should be treated as LTA block evaders. They're tailored to superficially look like good-faith accounts, and they've been running as long as I've been here. They're much less of a problem than they used to be.They're instantly recognizable once you've seen a few, and I always tag the deletions and blocks with custom summaries: "spambot."

As I've pointed out, my practice, and that of most admins, is to delete and warn for the promotional content without an accompanying promotional username, but the usernames that represent organizations pose a general username policy issue apart from promotion; it would be more of a question whether to softblock or hardblock in those cases. I would generally softblock if there was no accompanying promotion, or more likely just wait and see what they do (which is a standard answer at UAA), since a lot of those accounts have second thoughts and never edit. I'm not actually sure how the 499 edit filter interacts, I think it logs only and doesn't warn. There are a lot of false or ambiguous positives with 499 (as I said at the RFC, about half can be ignored), perhaps a more narrowly-tailored filter might target a smaller subset with a warning, but that's outside my skillset to construct or even propose in much detail. Perhaps 499 could be tailored for a fairly general reminder to not be promotional and to remind that WP isn't social media. I'd prefer proaction over reaction, which is the current state of affairs. Acroterion (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Milot Avdyli

Acroterion (I'm also tagging Liz in this request as a draft deleter who is), can you undo Draft:Milot Avdyli because the player is expected to debut (after being transferred in this transfer window) at Vorskla Poltava in the Ukrainian Premier League which according to Misplaced Pages is a fully professional league, and I believe that the draft can serve as a kind of starting point for the development of the article before its debut, which after its debut will be concretized into a full article. BalkanianActuality (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll wait for Liz, but as usual, I have no problem with undeleting these drafts so you can work on them. Let me know if you don't hear from her; weather depending, I may be away for a while tomorrow for some minor eye surgery. Acroterion (talk) 02:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, if there's no reaction from Liz, then I'll let you know and wish you a speedy recovery. BalkanianActuality (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for returning the draft article! BalkanianActuality (talk) 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Revdel request

Could I get a revdel for this please. Thank you. Tarlby 20:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

In general, pro forma racist vandalism isn't normally revdel'd, unless it concerns a specific individual or is particularly gross (i.e., "kill all ***). But they've earned themselves a week-long block and a place in my watchlist. Acroterion (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it 👍 Tarlby 20:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

An elaboration - the "grossly-insulting" modifier is important, as opposed to the obnoxious-racist-jackass-who'd-better-watch-their-damn-mouth-if-they-don't-want-to-spend-a-week-at-the-dentist stuff. Acroterion (talk) 20:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, so I didn't make the request but I am a little confused. I was earlier told on a talk page to report an edit very similar to the one reported. Am I not supposed to request revdel these kind of stuff? Gaismagorm (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, going by the way I read the policy, it didn't rise to the level of grossness usually revdel'd. We get a lot of dumb nasty vandalism, and we don't need to scrub the histories of all of it; revdel should be employed somewhat sparingly. We remove things that can bring harm or express a desire to harm, are copyright violations, insult or degrade specific living individuals, are the products of sustained disruption campaigns. or reveal the identities of people who wish to remain anonymous. For stupid schoolboy vandalism like this, it can stay there as a monument to their ignorance. Your request above was similar to this one.in its level of obnoxious rather than gross. Other admins may have a somewhat lower threshold for removal from the history, but it has never been meant for all vandalism. There does seem to have been a trend to apply it more generally to ethnic slurs like this one, but it's not uiniversal. Acroterion (talk) 20:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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