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| *<small>See ] for all prior discussion from this page.</small> | |||
| '''<span style="color:white;">R E T I R E D</span>]'''</div><br></div> | |||
| <div class="center">'''Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at ]. '''</div> | |||
| == Regarding Fair-Use Overuse image removals in ] and ] == | |||
| ==Sorry== | |||
| Pardon me for coming directly to your talk page for this, but I didn't know where else to contest these removals. | |||
| I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| As you may or may not know, I had your initial edit to ] and your initial edit to ]. After both, you went back and removed the images again. Your rationale for the latter was that . | |||
| == :-( == | |||
| I would like to point out that the after my reverts of your initial edits, one article had three images and the other only had two. Four of those five were images of major recurring characters. Furthermore, using related articles as examples: ] contains three images, ] contains four images, and ] contains a grand total of six images. None of the three fell victim to the removal of images. | |||
| Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :( | |||
| It seems as though you removed images from the Konoha ninja and Naruto summons pages simply because they are lists. I personally think that this is unfair rationale for the images' removal. If I missed the mark with this conclusion, please let me know. I'll also keep an open mind in listening to an explanation, so don't worry about recieving flames or anything of the sort if you should respond. | |||
| Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --] 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry for the long post. Regards, '']]]'' 06:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Thanks for your questions. The problem is there is no magical threshold number above/below which fair use images are not permitted/are permitted. In some cases, one image is too many. In others, 13 might be fine. It depends on the context and how the images are used. Throughout the project, "List of ..." type articles are having their fair use images removed wholesale. This is because this clearly violates the Foundation's stance on the issue which can be found at ]. See item #3 on that. Fair use images must be used minimally. Minimally. --] 12:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **I'm still not sure that I agree with this movement, but if it is an WMFoundation movement, I guess I can't argue. Thank you for the explanation, and sorry again for disturbing you. '']]]'' 19:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **Pardon me for asking, but could you please also direct me to the page on which this resolution was passed? '']]]'' 00:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***]. --] 01:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****That page describes the purpose and course of action. What I would like to see is the actual discussion in which arguments for and against the movement were presented. Sorry for being unclear. Regards, '']]]'' 02:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****I don't know where the minutes of the board's meetings are kept. --] 04:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ******Ah, okay then. Sorry for disturbing you. '']]]''] 04:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ] ] 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == In case you didn't know == | |||
| I made the template {{tl|non-free}} and the associated category ], which were inspired by your fair-use overuse essay. ] ] 04:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Thanks for the heads up! Nice! --] 15:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( ''']''' ('']'') 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello. == | |||
| Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --] 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, I am a member of the Naruto task force. Please don't think of me as a newb, I've been here long enough to get a gist of things and become important on the Naruto and MÄR task forces and more or less on the Bleach on too, and I've made a few articles. Anyway, and I am making this suggestion as friendly as I can, that you re-open the Akatsuki page and cancel the deletion. There is FARRRRRRRRRR too much information there to just remove entirely, and it can't be merge back to its original location, as the page was oversized then. They are important characters to the series under ]. Even if it is a list page, it was made simply because the original article was too long and only one of them deserved an article, ], under notability and information and blah blah. I suggest this whole thing is put behind us, for my sake and yours, as both you and the other admin (don't know the name) have recieved a very big hatred from the other members, and it is very likely that they will complain to other admins. Yes, not all the images were needed, and only four should be put back (Kisame, Pein, Tobi/Madara, and Deidara), but this has gotten far too out of hand and this might be the last chance you and whoever recieves to turn this all around before it gets rash. No, I do not mean this to be a personal attack (to me, personal attacks are something like saying "You are a complete and total dumbass!" to another member), but rather as a friendly warning before either of you two get in trouble. | |||
| :Someone still has to do the job. ''']''' ('']'') 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --] 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the ]. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. . I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --] 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Also, Durin, if it would make you happy, I shall guarentee that only four, mabye five, images shall be put back onto the page. I made the article, so if it's deleted, I, or one of the admins, could easily re-write it without putting up all the useless images. I still suggest that you take back the deletion suggestion, however. | |||
| **<nowiki>:-o</nowiki> Un-fucking-believable. --] 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I strongly request that if I'm going to get in trouble, you might as well just report me now. No sense in beating about the bush. Report me and be done with it. Since you're experienced, you certainly know how to go about getting me banned from the project. But, if you require assistance to help you in such an endeavour, please do not hesitate to ask. I'd be more than happy to help you make such a report. The images will not go back. They are against policy and will not be accepted. Several admininistrators have already chimed in on the matter agreeing with the stance I have taken. As to the deletion suggestion, I have no control over it. I did not put the article up for AfD and I did not protect the article. Thank you, and do please let me know if I can assist you in reporting me. --] 02:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **Sorry, I thought you were one of the two admins who locked and put the article up for deletion. And I do agree, not all of the images should be brought back, only the ones who have proven their signifiance and notability, even on Akatsuki level, (Kisame and Deidara) and the two leaders (Pein and Tobi/Madara) because they simply are the leaders. In the end neither Kakuzu or Hidan is notable, and Sasori was a one-arc member. Orochimaru and Itachi have articles. Zetsu and what's-her-name have yet to do something. Kisame is already important and still playing a role, and the reader(s) might get confused with the term "shark-like appearance" should they have not seen him before. Pein's appearance is like a very big jigsaw puzzle in word form, which will lead to confusion without a pic. Deidara was notable, and Tobi/Madara is the leader. And the article looks like crap without them. MAJOR crap. And that by far isn't a good thing. ] 20:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. ] (] | ]) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***An article looking like crap is not a reason to violate our fair use policies. When do you plan on reporting me and getting me banned from the project? --] 20:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. ] 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Images== | |||
| *I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. ] 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I agree but what if the actor has long retired and any free image of him now would look barely familiar compared to his earlier days when he appeared in film. The article addresses his film career. ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 15:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, '']]]'' 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *The policy does not make exceptions for such cases. If the person is alive, we do not accept fair use imagery for the person for the purposes of depicting them. --] 15:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Bob Bingham== | |||
| Hi. I don't understand why the image has been deleted as there are many similar images on Wiki such as this . I think I provided a detailed reason for the use of the image. ] 18:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *] is alive. Per terms of our use on copyrighted, fair use imagery found at ], specifically item #1, we do not permit the use of copyrighted, fair use imagery for depiction purposes of living people. This is because it can reasonably be expected that a ] replacement may be obtained, given that the person is alive. The Wikimedia Foundation has dictated this as policy, and it must be held to. Please see ]. Thank you for pointing out ]. I've removed that image from ] on the same grounds. If you have additional questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks, --] 18:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==Not right== | ||
| This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --] <small>(])</small> 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --] <small>(])</small> 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :*Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --] 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| * Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --] 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hey Durin, thanks for responding on my talk page. I've been meaning to tell you that I have great respect for what you're doing with images on Misplaced Pages. I've seen the amount of trolling it attracts and it must seem like it's you versus the world more often than not, so I'm hoping to give you an extra hand making sure articles comply with our image policies. Do you have any pointers on the best way to begin? :) ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 15:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Yes. The best piece of advice I can give you; go and find the largest bottle of pain killers the world has ever seen. Take two of them, every four hours, during waking hours. When you're tired of taking them, keep taking them. When you're tired of being tired of taking them, keep taking them. To lighten your mood, consider stabbing a knife into your arm, and pouring scalding water onto your leg. In all seriousness; the work you're doing is fine. Keep at it for as long as you can tolerate the pain :) --] 16:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] 19:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)]] | |||
| ** Ta! ] ;) --] 16:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***I think it's time to start planning a Durin thank you parade! In any case, I already have a huge jar of advil on my desk, so it looks like I'm ready to rock! Maybe I should start boiling a pot of water? Or maybe I should just throw some beer in the fridge... :) ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 16:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****Yes, copious quantities of alcohol can help at times too :) --] 16:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****I'm all set then! Good thing my work keeps hard alcohol in the supply closet. ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ******God help me. They'll probably ] right before the parade begins. --] 19:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ******* Your secret is out! That's how you can tag so many non-free images for deletion. How could you? *shakes head* :P --] 19:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ********That's a good point! I'm exhausted after one day of image work, and then here you are doing it every day! I'm both impressed and terrified. ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 04:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| * . ] 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Excessive use of fair use image ?== | |||
| *I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... ] 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for reminding/answering me. No beating around the bush, then - unless I'm very much mistaken, if I can submit images -in this case, self-captured screenshot- under a free license or get a free lisence from the copyright holders of (entirely out of the self-capturable category) images, the articles can keep them ? And should there be some images for which I can do neither, how many of such images can we keep in one article ? Since 'minimal use' does not strictly mean their use is prohibited - or so I believe. | |||
| *From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. ] 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Screenshots of copyrighted programs are just as copyrighted as the programs themselves. Rights do not transfer from the creators of the programs to you simply by act of taking a screenshot of the work. "How many" is a question that can not be answered. We go based on precedent, context, usage, and a variety of other factors. Sometimes one is too many. Other times, 13 might be ok. It depends. --] 16:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. ] ] 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :My heartfelt gratitude for that instruction which I must have somehow missed among Misplaced Pages's mass of policies. No snideness intended, in case you suspect my rectitude. ] 06:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :*Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — ] ] 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::* I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. ] ] 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ZOMG! ANOTHER fair use question! Run for the hills! == | |||
| Seriously...can you comment on ] when you get a chance? Thanks! ] (] | ]) 19:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <br>Please? ] (] | ]) 00:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm trying to multi-task on limited time here. If I can get to it tonight, I will. I wish I was paid to do this stuff but I'm not :) --] 00:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No problem, I figured you might be running ragged with this non-free stuff. I just don't want the images that have been delinked to vanish before I have a chance to get input on the above questions. ] (] | ]) 03:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Responded. --] 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks for the input. ] (] | ]) 12:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? ] 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Aside from your idiotic copy/paste reasons, why are you doing this? == | |||
| ==Sigh== | |||
| By "this", I of course mean your wanton removal of images for very little sensible reason. The tons of pictures you're removing are for visual identification purposes necessary for an encyclopedia, and certainly are a much better thing to have in articles than tons of paragraphs consisting of "well the character looks liek dis" which would inevitably take up much more space in articles and make them harder to read than images ever would. From what I read though, aesthetics, content and logic aren't your priority, as you said "if each other these characters had their own article then the images would be allowed" or something to that affect. What the hell is the difference between having a ton of worthless tiny articles that would inevitably get merged/deleted just so you could have a picture of the one thing in question and having one article of decent size with a bunch of small pictures on the side? You say you're "upholding Wiki policy" but in reality from any logical standpoint you're making the site a much shittier place for the common man. You know, just disregard the question in the header because I'll answer it for you. The answer is you're incompetent and are obviously unable to see anything from a logical standpoint. Good day, sir. - ] 19:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. ] 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *When you are willing to address me in a civil tone, rather than beginning statements to me with "idiotic", I'll be happy to address your concerns. I'm disregarding the rest of your comments until you are capable of non-insulting discussion. Thank you and have a nice day, --] 19:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **Yes, because your consistent snide and elitist tone is so much better. That is a civil tone, albeit an angry one. Deal with the big, bad words, they won't bite. - ] 19:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***I urge you to read ]. If you are incapable of abiding by that policy, I will recommend you be temporarily blocked from editing. --] 21:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****I don't suppose you're actually ever going to address anything that I said, are you? Just become a bot like Betacommand if you're going to insist on being this way. - ] 21:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****I am under no compulsion to discuss any subject with someone who is willing to use personal attacks. If you are willing to engage in civil discourse, you will find me a willing listener. If not, I choose to ignore your commentary. is highly inappropriate. Final warning. If you insist on using such attacks, I will recommend you be blocked. --] 22:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****Nevermind. You've already been blocked. Perhaps you'll learn the lesson granted by this block. --] 22:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ******Crimany, this is dumb. Good thing Egamm is here to save this talk page subsection from being wasted space on the interenet: The tons of pictures you're removing are for visual identification purposes necessary for an encyclopedia, and certainly are a much better thing to have in articles than tons of paragraphs consisting of "well the character looks liek dis" which would inevitably take up much more space in articles and make them harder to read than images ever would. Though, you said "if each of these characters had their own article then the images would be allowed" or something to that affect. What is the difference between having a ton of worthless tiny articles that would inevitably get merged/deleted just so you could have a picture of the one thing in question and having one article of decent size with a bunch of small pictures on the side? You say you're "upholding Wiki policy" but from a seemingly logical standpoint you're making the site worse. Good day, sir. - ] 19:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ******* - ] 22:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *If a character is so minor that we do not have a separate article on that character, then why do we need an image? It's a MINOR character. --] 00:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **(If I may?): Amen. — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 06:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***Don't "amen" please. The merits of "minor characters" should only be discussed by those who are at least mildly familiar with the subject at hand. - ] 05:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****All areas of Misplaced Pages are open for editing to all people. If you do not appreciate the open editing environment of Misplaced Pages, this might not be the place for you. --] 11:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****The same could be said for you, you obviously don't like people adding images and reverting your edits, claiming that you're a troll. This is irrelevent however, since my response to Thor's comment has really nothing to do with what you just said. - ] 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **As for the main reason I return, I'd like to make a modest proposal that you start doing some real work while you're on your holy crusade. I've noticed by looking at your contributions and actions as of late, any time a user comments, argues, edit wars, etc with you, you go through their Contributions page and delete the images from articles and just those articles. Instead of acting out of some sort of moral grude or trolling attempt, why don't you go after the big articles? You know, the prominent ones with dozens or even hundreds of images like The Simpsons, Pokemon, Digimon, Futurama, Family Guy and other long-running series of cartoons. That right there would be respectible work for Misplaced Pages's mission unlike raiding the favorite articles of people you show displeasure towards for the sake of around 6-8 images. - ] 05:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***I think you need to have a look at ]. If you have an issue with my edits, please feel free to start an ] about me. If you need help on how to do so, I'm at your service. --] 11:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::oic. It still doesn't make much sense to focus on smaller articles with limited visitor bases rather than the large ones. Deleting all the Pokemon/Final Fantasy/Simpsons images would definitely set an example for many other articles and probably "inspire" others to go on image-destroying crusades too. As long as you insist on being "this way" you have my full support on removing all Fair-Use images from English Misplaced Pages, if only because I can't stand the thought of my favorite articles being mamed while so many others still have their images. - ] 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::*I have no intention and no need of defending my actions with regards to major vs. minor articles to you. My track record speaks for itself. Thank you, and do have a nice day. --] 22:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::That was really uncalled for. I was expecting something more along the lines "I'm glad we could patch this up, thank you for your understanding and suggestion, I hope we can have no further conflicts in the future, have a nive day, etc". 1/4 is that bad, but man. I'm sorry I offended you. - ] 22:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::*Your suggestion is irrelevant. If you had reviewed the actions I've taken previously on this matter, you would already know that I've dealt with fair use image abuse on large and small cases, across a very broad array of topics. I haven't picked on anime or anything else in particular, and I haven't purposefully selected small cases over large or anything else of the kind. As to the conflict, the conflict is of your own making. You started this thread with "Idiotic" and have routinely used personal attacks in an attempt to somehow sway me to your way of thinking. I'm not motivated. I do hope that you don't engage in starting conflicts in the future. All the best, --] 22:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Awesome. I'm glad we could put this thing behind us and become such close friends. See you around. Love, ] 22:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == :-o No! == | |||
| == Non free content criteria have been partially rewritten == | |||
| I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. ''Please'' come back!. See also: ]--] 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Durin. I was looking through ] and I noticed a link to ]. I thought you should know that what you've written there is a bit out-of-date, as ] and ] have been changing a bit lately. Not massive changes, but enough that those heavily involved in image work should be aware of. I'd be interested in your opinions on the changes and the discussions on the talk page at ]. Would you have time to do that? ] 19:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *When I have time, yes, which is not right now. Tomorrow probably :) --] 21:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **Thanks. One of the issues I raised somewhere on that page is the matter of this deadline of April 2008. I had a closer look at the WMF Licensing Policy, and it looks like the layout of the document is confusing. The deadline is the third subclause of bullet point 6, and thus ''appears'' to be only referring to projects without an EDP. Bullet point 5 contains a date for projects with an EDP, but the date only refers to the point from which the policy applies to new images. There appear to be no deadline for the discussion of old images on projects with an EDP. I'm convinced this is a layout typo, but it is rather sloppy. ] 22:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***Indeed it is. Discussions I've had with at least one member of the board indicated that the deadline is for everything. It'd be nice if they made that clear on the resolution. --] 00:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == astroview120mm userboxes == | |||
| == Chess Piece, MAR, etc. == | |||
| A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. | |||
| Okay look, unless you actually '''TRY''' to make a comprimise or at least discuss this, then I see no point to listening to you when I have just as much authority. I will listen, however, should we sit down like adults and discuss what images should and shouldn't be used, rather than take one-sided opinions and then take nothing else into consideration. ] 21:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I've instructed those of you involved in this dispute as to the policy and the prior decisions. The endless debates about this issue are pointless. The policy, and how I am editing in support of it, stand. If you want to have an image at the top of the page such as a logo for the anime in question, fine. A group photo, perhaps. Individual photos of individual characters is a violation of our policies. There's really no room to compromise on this. If there were, I'd be quite happy to do so. The core principle here is that we are a ] encyclopedia, and copyrighted content is discouraged, not encouraged. Minimal use ''must'' be supported, and the Foundation recently ruled on this as you have been directed to before. As one Board member said, consensus can not outweigh this issue. Even if you had 100 people saying what I am doing is wrong, and I was the only one on this local project saying I was right, the *Foundation* would still be right. I'm not sure how I can be clearer about this. The overuse of fair use images is being deprecated project wide. We have a deadline of April of 2008. If you have issue with this, take it up with the Foundation. I don't write the policy. You can contact them at ]. Thank you, --] 21:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **I think the honorable Durin may have missed the part where Wiki's articles, policies, etc are in constant change because of ''discussions'' and ''comprimises'' involving sensible ideas and open minds, so I'll add this comment to remind him. - ] 21:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***As I noted above, this issue can not be outweighed by consensus. Please fully read and understand ]. The Foundation can and does dictate and can override consensus on any issue they so please. --] 22:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****That doesn't really say anything, it's just the ground rules for adding images. Where in this does it say images in "list of" aren't allowed? | |||
| ****''Such EDPs must be minimal. Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works.'' | |||
| ****WP:NFC points 3 and 8(mostly 8) are the only things you're really operationating under, and there's a ] on that going on right now. You should cease this until some sort of resolution is met or your overzealousness will lead to the orphaning and deletion of hundreds of images. - ] 22:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****Yes, that's me, overzealous. Better have me banned from the project ASAP. I'm a serious threat. Hurry! Don't wait! --] 23:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****By the way; the next time you want to talk with me, please use your real account. Single purpose accounts for the purpose of communicating in a civil manner with a single user are pointless. --] 23:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *******Whoa there, cowboy. Not only did I not say anything about banning, stopping you, etc, none of that had anything to do with my point. - ] 23:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ********I'm not a cowboy. I only play one on TV. You claimed I was overzealous. I'm obviously a threat. Since I fully intend on supporting the Foundation's resolutions and our policy, I suggest you get me banned from the project for being a zealot. If you need assistance on where to make such a report, please let me know. I'll be happy to assist you. --] 23:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm still trying to wrap my head around exactly what is ambiguous about the Non-Free Content policy... minimal use means nothing other than minimal use! I wish I could understand why some folks find this issue so confusing. ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 23:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***There isn't anything ambiguous about it. "Minimal" literally means "no more than needed", therefore eight notable characters on a notable "Characters of ____" page constitutes eight images and not eighty. - ] 23:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****Your interpretation is not supported by prior decisions and actions. --] 23:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **The reason is largely because there are two camps; one camp is commited to the ] of Misplaced Pages. The other camp isn't. The second camp is largely willing to use fair use images as much as possible and will defend, at great length, every use of them. It's a very tough ideological war. It's depressing that so many users simply do not suss what it is we are here to do. Personally, I far prefer having an encyclopedia that is *free* and can be dispersed with as little copyright concern as possible. Many of our users are more interested in being pretty. In your battles, you may find yourself getting depressed on these issues. Something that may inspire you; remember that for-sale encyclopedias essentially block information access for people who do not have means to buy an encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages is making information available for all, regardless of their socio economic level. That's a very noble cause. The people who want fair use used liberally do not care about that cause. Many of them do not care about our mission. Stay focused. --] 23:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***To be fair, there are various middle-grounds between the two camps. I find it depressing that people can't distinguish between modern images with clear copyright concerns, and old images with possibly zero and at the least minimal copyright concerns. Lumping in 70 year old pictures with the latest screenshot of an anime is, well, silly. They are different cases and should be treated differently. The current NFCC fail to make these distinctions, but the discussions and rewrites are helping with that. Watch this space, and don't assume that Misplaced Pages's NFCC will remain static. If you want more on this, read all of ], as I said before. ] 00:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **To add on to what Durin said, non-free images must be proven, without a doubt, that they are absolutely ''essential'' to an unaffiliated reader's understanding of the subject at hand. A simple image of a character does not significantly improve such understanding. Jimmy Wales and the Foundation have said over and over that if they could, they would remove ''all'' non-free images from Misplaced Pages. Since we can't possibly do that, they request that the use of fair use images is restricted unless absolutely necessary. And by absolutely necessary we're talking the article would fall to pieces without the image. Needless to say, the articles about television characters function perfectly without images. Thus, adding images back constitutes fair use overuse. In short, policy trumps aesthetics, which is pretty much what Durin already said above. ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 00:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==Come back== | ||
| I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back... | |||
| ] ] 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Just to let you know, It's general practise to put your comments ''under'' what your commenting on, even if it's in the middle of a discussion. If thier are other comments on the same thing, it goes underneath those. As I was commenting on the reason for deletion, My comment goes underneath that--] 22:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Templating the regulars == | |||
| * Everyone is commenting on the reason for deletion, and they are commenting "under" it ... just at the bottom of the page. If everyone were to comment at the top of the page, right under the nom's rationale for deletion, then the talk page would be completely disorderly. --] 22:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{{icon|] }}}Please do not withdraw from ]. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the . Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npov2 adapted by-->----] 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *look at ]. Also, Most people are commenting on the reason other people vote the way they do--] 22:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. Your departure may be part of a ]... *sigh* -- '']']'' 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== I miss Durin == | ||
| Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I notified those users because they were in the middle of the round. They were playing the game, and I wanted to let them know that they could finish it up in my sandbox. It won't be continually played there, but I wanted to let them know so they could finish up. I notified Marlith and told him to vote, because he was it's creator.--''']]]]''' 00:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm tempted to say that despite having sandboxes, "Misplaced Pages is not a ]", but I shouldn't. Oops. ] 00:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==Durin, we'll miss you== | ||
| He might have been a little bossy but he was a great ] and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the ]. And I hope that by you reading this message <nowiki>*</nowiki><sup>sniffle</sup><nowiki>*</nowiki>, you'll come back!--] 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Just a brief note, as I found one of my summaries on historical images: ]: "This is a notable and historic event. We have every right to use this image to convey the history being presented in the article. Old images are important for the understanding of historical articles. Mere text does not do enough." - I fear that people sometimes, when focusing on the free/non free issues, fail to remember the educational aspect of historical images. When presented in the right context, is ] more educational than ]? ] 01:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == You did the right thing == | |||
| ==Chess Pieces response== | |||
| I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too. | |||
| We would, but have you told Profet 666 that. He uploaded those pictures so people would know what they look like. ] (]) 9:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Profet is aware of these problems in abstract, yes. --] 13:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | |||
| == Sorry + guideline == | |||
| Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck. | |||
| Sorry about the edit war but I was just doing what it says on ]. Won't happen again--] 18:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *No worries. I only hated you for .0000000000000000000000000001 seconds ;) --] 19:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Thanks... == | |||
| == Codelyoko193 == | |||
| for . I don't like cabals, even if they ''are'' jokes :-) Happy editing! --''']'']'']''' 20:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *You're welcome :) --] 20:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, ] <sub>]</sub> 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == User Space == | |||
| User space or not, if you plan on posting Fair_use_overuse_explanation anywhere else you'll need to provide citations. Additionally, your piece is an essay, and hence meaningless insofar as Wiki guidelines or policies go. Finally, your essay is clearly POV. Hey, if you just want this here to blow off some steam, cool, but I sincerely hope you don't intend to post it on main space until it's cleaned up. Cheers. ] 21:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I have no intentions of providing sources for any "legal claims". There are no legal claims. The essay is about Misplaced Pages policy and Foundation resolutions. Further {{tl|sources}} is for ''articles'', not outside of the main article namespace. Yes, I know it's an essay, That's why I wrote it. Yes, I know it's POV. This isn't main article namespace. There's no requirement it be NPOV. There's no intention of putting this on mainspace because it's not an article, and a reading of it shows that. I've been using it as reference in edit summaries to further explain actions. For example . --] 21:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Using it as a reference counts as being used in main space. You might want to reconsider your argument as it holds no water. And yes, you do make legal claims: shall I list them? ] 21:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::*I think you lack an understanding of what mainspace is. The page is in my userspace. It does not need sources. It is not an encyclopedia article. Thank you for your input, but you are quite incorrect. --] 21:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I lack no understanding...if you are referring to your ''essay'' in mainspace, you are stating that it has the authority of a guideline or policy and therefore it needs to be referenced. ] 23:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... '''Thanks''', ] <sub>]</sub>] 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Acorn Electron gallery == | |||
| == Who knew? == | |||
| Re: your message (Per WP:NFCC item #8, we do not permit the use of fair use images in galleries such as you have attempted on Acorn Electron. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Simple reversion is not acceptable and would violate policy. Thank you, --Durin 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Retro_junkie" | |||
| Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, <small>'']''</small>''']''' 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I don't wish to get into a prolonged argument with you or start an exchange of abuse but I see there are many users that disagree with your interpretation of Wiki policy. Firstly, I personally have not 'attempted' anything with that gallery - I have only added missing links, put it in correct order etc. It has been there for over 2 years and was added by ], one of the leading experts on the Electron (and creator of ElectrEm). Removing it in its entirity is in my opinion nothing short of vandalism. | |||
| :''P.S.'', I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke. | |||
| I am slightly surprised you quote WP:NFCC#8 because I would quote it back to you! | |||
| ''Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Non-free media files are not used if they can be replaced by text that serves a similar function. '' | |||
| The screenshots DO add significantly to the article. A quick glance gives the reader a much better understanding of the graphical capabilities of the computer and the type of programs that were commonly used. The omission of any screenshots IS detrimental to the understanding of the Acorn Electron. There is no text that could as accurately convey the same meaning. | |||
| ==Husnock== | |||
| If you meant to quote another policy please do so. If you think there are too many, that would only be your opinion. A variety of shots is necessary. Any more would be excessive as they would not all fit on the screen for comparison but as it is, it is a perfect, descriptive illustration of what the Acorn Electron was (and is!). | |||
| Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. ] ] 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I will undo your revision but please do not be annoyed by this. As I have tried to explain, the gallery does not violate the policy you are basing your decision on. If you have a problem with the gallery, please start a discussion about it on the article's discussion page. It is surely better to leave it up until it is decided by more than one user that it should be taken down.] 23:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *Decision after decision after decision after decision after decision after decision after decision after decision has ruled against the use of such galleries. I am reverting this change and reporting it to ]. I cautioned you against simple reversion. --] 01:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Shhh... == | |||
| Thanks for that. Please please please point me to the policy that rules against such use of images. The problem with deleting it straight off is that some of those images are now orphaned and will be deleted. Why can you not just be reasonable and debate the merits of the screenshots in that particular article? In what way are they not relevant? In what way do they not add to the article? In what way could that information be conveyed in text?] 11:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <small>Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --] 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small> | |||
| == User talk:BetacommandBot == | |||
| ==Orphaned non-free media (Image:Demologoimage.gif)== | |||
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| If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "]" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> ] 13:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hey Durin. As someone who generally supports the tightening of our fair use of images, I wonder what your answer would be to the questions I posed at ], specifically: | |||
| *Why is my cribbing (by hand, after research) a (bot-)acceptable fair use rationale for an image of the cover of a book to illustrate the article on the book any better than a general statement about the acceptability of this type of fair use? I don't think this acceptability is under challenge anywhere. | |||
| *How does Betacommandbot actually determine whether the fair use rationale given is an acceptable one? | |||
| It would be better in my opinion if a template could be made and the bot used to apply it to the image pages, with the uploader only required to confirm that the rationale was accurate, rather than having to copy one by hand for every fair use image. Bots are supposed to make things easier. --] 06:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *The rationale isn't necessarily better or not. The bot does not evaluate that. It's job is to catch obvious cases. I have not seen the code so I do not know how it evaluates this. You may wish to leave a message to ]. The bot is not capable of making fair use rationales because each usage is generally unique; it can not determine how a person intended the image to be used. That requires a human. The bot ''is'' making things dramatically easier; we've got literally hundreds of thousands of fair use images that are used improperly on Misplaced Pages. Since the bot was fired up, the job of cleaning that mess up has become immensely easier. --] 11:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Long ago comments == | ||
| Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. ] 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I have a question about a, yep, you guessed it, fair use image. Actually, three images. ], ], and ]. I know we had been deleting out images (screenshots) in "List of..." articles. These three screen caps are located only in ], and they all have fair use rationales listed for this article. My issue is, I am not sure they are valid, and I can't quite figure out the Fair Use Review page. They all state the following as their rationales: | |||
| #] has not released any such images to the ] | |||
| #The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style | |||
| #The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game | |||
| #The image is a small, web-resolution image | |||
| #The image is used to illustrate important characteristics of the game mentioned in the article, which conveys to the reader an idea of what they look like | |||
| #The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the ] of '']'', and for no other purpose | |||
| #The image does not limit ]'s ability to sell the game | |||
| ==List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count== | |||
| I understand some of them (1, 4, 7), but I don't think the others (the seemingly important ones) really hold water. There is no real discussion of the images (or the art style, or the description of the fiction universe) in the List. It conveys to the reader what the characters look like, but that is an unimportant matter, not discussed in the List. I'm not sure they add anything significant to the List (other than decorative). As the reigning free images co-champion, please advise, or feel free to copy-paste this somewhere appropriate. Feel free to answer here, if you chose to do that. Mahalo nui loa, Durin. --] 21:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I removed them from the article. I recently wrote a response to the typical defense of this situation. See . In this case, we see a situation where some characters are notable enough for their own articles (Main characters section) and then characters are not major. There's no real justification to infringe on our ] to provide content under a free content license to provide fair use images of ''minor'' characters. If they are major enough to have their own article, then an image is appropriate to the sub article. Not here. --] 21:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **Thanks, Durin. That's kind of what I figured. Care if I link to your overuse explanations in the future? --] 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ***That's fine by me. It's being used liberally already. --] 21:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ****I've just read the "If you want to change this application of policy" bit of that, and it could do with encouraging debate in areas that haven't been settled yet. The impression a careless reader could gain from that section is that you are saying that everything has been decided and there will be no more debate, when what I think you are saying is that some areas have been extensively discussed before, and re-running those debates is a waste of time. Would you consider adding something saying that if people come up with ''new'' ideas and issues, they should by all means discuss them. I'm thinking in particular of the issues I've raised at ] in past weeks. During those debates I was working on the assumption that people would point me at archived discussions if I was repeating old arguments, but no-one did, so I assumed I was bringing up new stuff. Also, I never did get an answer as to the reason for the "original market role" clause of NFCC#2. How do you determine original market role and how do you determine when it changes? ] 22:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *****Short on time, but two things; if you want to modify that section, feel free. We can hammer it out. Two, I've often thought it would be a good idea to have a list of prior debates and how they turned out. ] is a meager attempt at that. It is just an exceptional amount of work to maintain all of that. There's literally dozens (if not hundreds by now) debates on these subjects. --] 23:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is... | |||
| == Galleries == | |||
| I thought you |
Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...] 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --] 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Sorry to bother you again. == | |||
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| == Still here? == | |||
| This time, I am representing ]'s task force. It appears as though images of the monsters are being removed from our newly-formed lists because they do not currently conform to policy. However, it comes to my attention that we may re-upload these images if we could somehow adopt an '''Exemption Doctrine Policy''', as stated on the link you had given me. As such I have several questions: | |||
| You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-] 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| #Would you happen to know how we could acquire an EDP? | |||
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| #If you do not know how to adopt an EDP, would you at least refer us to someone who does? | |||
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| We ask this because most of the pocket monsters cannot be described well in prose. I know your stance against image use in lists. However, we at Wikiproject Pokemon feel that these images will improve the various Lists of Pokemon, as the alternative would be blocks of incredibly awkward descriptions that will push article size to the limits. | |||
| == :-) == | |||
| Sorry to disturb you again, Durin. Regards, '']]]'' 04:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *The EDP has already been written at ]. As for these images in lists, please see which I think will help answer your questions. If not, please feel free to inquire here again. --] 04:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I am still not sure about this whole thing but I'm getting the impression that you believe I am against you. I'd just like to make it clear I'm against no one on this issue and will comply with whatever goes. Peace. -] 04:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :*Text based communication has it's limitations. If I conveyed anything that smacked of irritation, please accept my apologies. I was sincere in asking to please inquire here if that section didn't completely answer your questions. There's few people that I think are "against" me, and they're only a subset of people who actively engage in personal attacks. You did not as you've acted quite civilly. Thank you! --] 04:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I must say, you gotta have the worst job in the world, having to be the one to convince hundreds of Wikiprojects on Misplaced Pages that what Misplaced Pages's top brass of policy makers says about previously "okay" images not being okay anymore goes, and everyone wants to blame you for spreading a big "problem" in response. I'm just extremely glad that you're trying to be as civil and reasonable as possible, unlike a lot of other users I see on various talk pages and edit summaries nowadays. Good luck with your future endeavors, then. ] <b><sup>(]|])</sup></b> 05:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Thank you, a thousand times thank you! That really means a lot to me! --] 05:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::*Similarly, thank you for being so patient with me even after all of my questions. I can't say that I agree with you, but I definitely see where you're coming from, and as Erik pointed out, there's something to be said about your dedication. I suppose we at the Wikiproject will just have to find another way, then. Here's to hoping that we're on the same side of the policy during the next massive movement! Regards, '']]]'' 05:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::*And another thousand thank yous, and not of the ] variety :) --] 12:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --] 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == RE:Personal attacks == | |||
| * "''Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate''" - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --] 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It wasn't a personal attack, I wasn't calling you a jerkass, If you want to take that as a personal attack by all means take it like that. Humans are far to sensitive now. But I wasn't calling you a jerkass I was calling the method of ignoring people and repeating the same thing over and over again which makes it look like you don't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you "jerkass". But whatever. Take this as an apolgy "I am sorry you think I called you a jerkass, me comparing what you would call courtesy as jerkassedness was out of line." P.S. Your talkpage is not on my watchlist anymore so I won't know if you reply to this. Also if you have to reply to this, please watch your "courtesy" if you must bring it up in my Talkpage. Thank you.--] 10:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== New York Yankees logo == | ||
| I've started a discussion about this at ] - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged ]. —] 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Please let me know exactly what you pretend so we get on with this, do you want name, address and date or you want just "is mine" or "I swear I created it" Please let me know, so we don't keep on this longer than necessary. Thank you <sup>]<font color="black">❀</font>]</sup> 14:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I have verifiable evidence that at least two of the images are not yours, and are not available under a free license. Finding something on the web and downloading it to your computer does not transfer rights of that image from the original copyright holder to you. The original copyright holder retains rights. Even if you modify the image, you do not gain full rights; the work is a ] of the original and the original copyright holder retains rights. We need to have the source of the image in order to be able to independently verify the licensing status of the image. Please provide sources for these images. If they are not provided, the images will be deleted in seven days. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --] 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I would very much like to know who claims rights to these images, all work is mine and not new, it was created by me and most of it donated to a foundation for they could use for printing and collecting funds. Please reply who claims the rights to which image, in the meaning time you are allowed to delete them, I will upload them later on. Nevertheless, please provide full information as this may very well turn to be a legal matter. Be so kind to response in my talk page, there is no reason for I keep watching yours. Thank you <sup>]<font color="black">❀</font>]</sup> 14:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( ] (]) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| You have failed to provide evidence of where, who and when has claimed copyrights over my work, please provide it. I will keep on this until you do.<sup>]<font color="black">❀</font>]</sup> 15:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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R E T I R E D]
Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at User:Durin/Departure.
Sorry
I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. Lradrama 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-(
Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(
Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --Iamunknown 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ElinorD (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( Majorly (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --Ali'i 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Someone still has to do the job. Majorly (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --Ali'i 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. The bastards won. I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --Durin 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. Lradrama 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- :-o Un-fucking-believable. --Ali'i 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. Pascal.Tesson 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, You Can't Review Me!!! 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Not right
This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the whois information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --Aude (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --Aude (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --Durin 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --Iamunknown 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Come say hello. Nick 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... Pascal.Tesson 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. DS 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. Seraphim 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — Moe ε 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. Seraphim 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? Meteoguy 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh
This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. Corvus cornix 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-o No!
I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. Please come back!. See also: User:Pheonix15/Useful links/Retired Wikipedians--Pheonix15 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
astroview120mm userboxes
A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. Astroview120mm 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Come back
I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...
Seraphim 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Templating the regulars
Please do not withdraw from building the encyclopedia. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's don't let the bastards grind you down policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the secret channel. Thank you.----John 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. Seraphimblade 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Your departure may be part of a virtuous (or vicious) circle... *sigh* -- nae'blis 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I miss Durin
Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — pd_THOR | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Durin, we'll miss you
He might have been a little bossy but he was a great wikipedian and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the bad word. And I hope that by you reading this message **, you'll come back!--Angel David 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
You did the right thing
I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.
It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.
P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.37.211 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Codelyoko193
I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Who knew?
Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, IT'S DA...Ανέκδοτο 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- P.S., I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.
Husnock
Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. Neil ☎ 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Shhh...
Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. Carcharoth 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...Ryoung122 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --Durin 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-130.216.30.233 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --Iamunknown 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- "Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate" (diff) - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --Iamunknown 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've started a discussion about this at WP:MCQ#New York Yankees logo - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged Image:Crossed_N_and_Y.jpg. —Random832 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Omma miss ya
You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( Vael Victus (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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rollback
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Upcoming events around Indiana - Nov. 1: Environmental Justice editathons 2 locations: Indianapolis & Bloomington (and virtual option) |
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You are invited to join us for a multi-site editathon organized by Indiana Wikimedians at IUPUI University Library in downtown Indianapolis and the Herman B Wells Library at IU Bloomington (with virtual option). Together, both experienced and new Misplaced Pages editors, with faculty subject matter experts, will collaboratively improve articles on environmental justice in Indiana and globally. Join us at either location or virtually!
Visit the meetup page or Eventbrite to sign up and learn more. |
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You're invited! In-person WikiConference North America Meetup in Indianapolis!
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Nov. 11-13: WikiConference North American Meetup! IUPUI University Library (and around Indianapolis) |
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Registration is now open for WikiConference North America 2022 (Nov. 11–13) held jointly with Mapping USA! If you would like to experience this virtual event in-person, you are welcome to join our meetup in Indianapolis! We will be meeting at IUPUI University Library for the weekend, with AV set up for conference streaming and presenting (for those who've submitted proposals). Anyone is welcome to join, we will have some light refreshments and are planning evening activities. Feel free to join us for an activity, a day, or the whole weekend. Please let us know you are coming via the meetup page and please register for the conference. We will share more about in-person activities on the meetup page as they are finalized. Visit the WikiConference North America site for the schedule and visit our meetup page to sign up and learn more. And don't forget to register for the conference! —From the Wikimedia Indiana team! |
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Unused, low-res, no obvious use, better files at c:Category:Tower_Bridge.
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March 17: You're invited! Indiana Women in the Arts editathon
| Upcoming Indianapolis event March 17: Indiana Women in the Arts |
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You are invited to join us at Newfields for an edit-a-thon on Indiana women in the arts, co-hosted by Wikimedians of Indiana and IUPUI University Library. Together, both experienced and new Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on women artists and artworks of Indiana.
Visit the Misplaced Pages Meetup page or Eventbrite to sign up and learn more. |
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You're invited! Indiana Politics & Government Editathon on Saturday, May 13
| Upcoming Indianapolis event - May 13: Indiana Politics & Government 2023 | ||
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It's been an eventful state legislative session in Indiana, and local elections took place this week, so we have lots to cover! You are invited to The AMP at 16 Tech in Indianapolis for a Politics & Government editathon to improve write articles about local political and government topics of interest and improve information about local officials, candidates, elections, and legislation. Come join us at this fun venue, with free parking and refreshments provided!
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians in Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Wiki Loves Pride in Indianapolis
| Upcoming Indianapolis event - June 24, 2023: Wiki Loves Pride Indy | ||
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You are invited to join us at Spades Park Branch Library for a Wiki Loves Pride editathon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on LGBTQ+ topics, individuals, organizations, and legislation in Indiana.
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Indiana State Fair Wiknic on Sunday, July 30
| Upcoming Indianapolis event - July 30, 2023: Indiana State Fair Wiknic | ||
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We are partnering with the Indiana State Fair to offer FREE tickets to the fair for Wikipedians! We will be meeting on July 30th at 10am to pass out tickets and have a quick info session before we attend the fair (feel free to branch off and share your accomplishments on the Meetup page later!) Detailed instructions on how the day will go is available on the Meetup page! We hope you'll join us to edit about things related to fair (historic buildings, foods, animals, activities, and the fair itself). All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us!
We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Wikimedians of Indiana User Group |
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You're invited! Underrepresented Artists of Indiana editathon on Oct. 11
| Upcoming Indianapolis event - October 11, 2023: Indiana Under-represented Artists Edit-a-thon | ||
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You are invited to Herron Art Library in Herron School of Art & Design for an Under-represented Artists of Indiana Edit-a-thon—hosted by the Wikimedians of Indiana User Group with support from the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Together, new and experienced Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on under-represented Indiana based artists and art/artist organizations and groups in Indiana today, and historically.
All levels of experience are welcome! Please RSVP so we know who is coming. We hope you'll join us!
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Modified version of File:Saint.john.ambulance.london.arp.jpg with no clear encyclopedic purpose.
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Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated files}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Logan Talk 23:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
