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Re: Image:Papanasamsivan.jpg

Not quite. By cropping part of the image, it only strengthens the fair use claim since we are using less of the work. Whereas, the requirement is to use as little as possible to infringe on the copyright as little as possible. If the useage is not appropriate (not used for critical commentary or illustrative purposes to show what the CD cover looks like), then you could claim the rationale is not valid. But to say an image under fair use is a copyvio is the whole point of fair use. MECU≈talk 19:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of article

I'll be online tomorrow, just letting you know I've read your comment and will be replying soon. Apologies for the slight delay in the response, hopefully I can use this to my advantage and re-evaluate the situation. Regards, Rudget. 21:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you've misinterpreted the point of AFD here. As far as I can see from the history, KH seems to have been the majority editor in the page, even though it was Vagab who actually created it, KH developed the page nine-fold from 3KB to just over 27KB, and so as the creator of the page was actually absent at the time of deletion, I was willing to ignore a rule and place KH as the article maintainer/developer, *even though* he wasn't. With this in mind, articles are not brought to AFD if a user wants deletion of a page he has dealt with, we use CSD criterion G7 for that matter. You can visit this to see where pages have been put up for deletion where only one or two editors have edited a page and it has been flagged for deletion - we don't use AFD for this matter, because it would cause unnecessary wastage of time. However, I do see from this discussion that consensus was not in favour of deletion, and I admit that the speedy deletion tag that was added was done so without clear thought. For this reason alone I will restore the article, however I would appreciate if your responses to the deletion (if ever to happen again, on another page say) that they do not come across as bitey. I was only doing my job, and I make mistakes here and there just as anyone else does. Rudget. 11:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Dravidian parties

Hi there!

Thanks for your contribution to the above article. Can you let me know why those citations were removed, especially when it is used for non-controvertial statements. Thanks Wiki San Roze 09:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Incivility in edit summaries

Hi. I noticed that in this edit summary you insulted another editor and his contribution. Please try to keep your cool and be respectful, even when you feel provoked. Thanks, Bovlb (talk)

classical language

I have provided the highest reliable sources from the government of india (Archaeological survey of india, Centre of Excellence for Classical Tamil), a source from MIT university and from one of the highest respected newspaper in india, which contains the only reference for the classification of Classical Sanskrit by the indian government available so far. I can find no single reason, why these references should be ignored in any way. Your POV is easily negatived by the sources i provided. Please explain your position now in full details belonging to this matter: Why do you ignore the references i provided in full? Why do you think, that your POV is accurater than those of government of india institutes and the MIT? What's your POV of the newspaper articles, which provided the government's "Classical" tag reference and why do you ignore them also? Please give me an answer in full details as soon as possible, since i'd like to go back to work soon. If you continue to ignore the references after these three days, i have to ask on a third opinion provided by the Misplaced Pages Community or any other available constructive solution. Frankly speaking, i doubt highly in your good faith in this particular case, but i give it a try. Thanks for reading. --80.108.50.167 (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)--Thirusivaperur (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

you have vandalized my talk page

Don't do it again or i will get an administrator to stop you. --Thirusivaperur (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I have left a note for Thirusivaperur about this. I respectfully suggest that you let it lie, and maybe we can all cool down a bit. Bovlb (talk) 20:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for the accuse of vandalization. Keep in mind, that i don't want double or even more messages of the same kind in such manner. Thanks for reading. --Thirusivaperur (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Kannada literature

Hi Sarvagnya, thanks for your recent inputs into the modern literature section. Can you make sure that Navya, Novodaya etc are in italics whereever you touched/added info to it.thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you have added any info on critisism, please indicate so under Taxman's comments where I have listed a set of points I added after his comments.thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Sarvagnya, I hope you dont mind that have reverted your recent edits to the lead. Perhaps the lead should be concise and the details of metres is better of in the "content and genre" section. How do you feel about this?Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

you wrote: Starting with the Kavirajamarga (850 CE) authored during the reign of the Rashtrakuta king Nripatunga, until the middle of the 12th century, literature in Kannada is almost exclusively Jaina -- explained in part by the fact that they found eager patrons in the Kannada region among the Chalukya, Rashtrakuta, Hoysala and Ganga kings who were either Jains themselves or offered generous support to the faith -- as also by the fact that the Jains themselves were early champions of the vernaculars (unlike the Buddhists and the Brahmins who chose Pali and Sanskrit) to spread their faith.

• Explained in part will open up questions about what the rest of the reason was which only makes it require more explanation.
• Jains also used Prakrit profusely before 4th century.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
• Some Jain writers continued to write scholarly works in Prakrit/Apabrahmasa till 9th century.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Please provide full citation for this:Sangave V. A, pp. 187–188 Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. feel free to revert now. I will think it over a little more and get back to you tomm. Logging off now. Sarvagnya 02:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence § t/e 18:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

email

Hi Sarvagnya. I disabled EmailUser a couple of years ago after a particularly annoying - and wearisome - round of allegations (including, inter alia, meatpuppetry and off-wiki coordination), and I'm reluctant to enable it again. Is it something important? If it's about my swiftly reverted comment on the Kannada literature talk page, don't bother - the comment was quite uncalled for (not to mention bordering on ad hominem). I've had a fairly tiring few months, so I'm a little snappier than normal. -- Arvind (talk) 22:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks

Hi Sarvagnya. Thanks for your participation. I appreciate you comments. Wikidās ॐ 00:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Wrong number. Sarvagnya 00:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Fowler

Hey,

Fowler&Fowler has been adding the Toda image into the Indian image rotation without accepting that there was clear consensus not to have it in the rotation when the last vote was taken. He was the only one for the image and there were 9 people against it. Still he has insisted on keeping it in the rotation, even after I tried explaining to him. He called me a liar and has kept doing it. Nikkul (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your Hi

Is this some kind of sick joke? You have the audacity to make a malicious personal attack , and this time, not just on me, but the efforts of the entire Assessment Team of a prominent WikiProject and you honestly think I'd treat your request as a genuine one? Think again.

I could be sympathetic to your uncontrollable temper where you wanted one of your close buddy's article's to go through - Dinesh did put hard work into it, and you wanted him (and his work) to receive recognition for it, even if it meant casting a blind eye (or even attempting to dismiss) a valid oppose. But particularly for your recent conduct, I have no sympathy because it is inexcusible, meritless and unwarranted by even the most lowest standard that exists (if it actually can be considered a standard). Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I dont remember coming to you seeking your sympathy. All I asked you was to review a WP:INDIA article which is up on FAC. Also, please review WP:NPA and familiarise yourself with it before you accuse others of being violation of the same. Sarvagnya 01:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

A friendly word of warning

Hi, I saw that you've made a few comments like this to editors concerning the Preity Zinta FAC. I think you might be on the line or just over the WP:CANVASS rules. Canvassing is prohibited for FAC (which is not a vote by a means of determining consensus) and I encourage you to be aware of that in future FACs. Karanacs (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been here long enough to know that canvassing is prohibited. But than I'm sure there hasnt been any canvassing. Thanks. Sarvagnya 16:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Sarvagnya)

Hello, Sarvagnya. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Misplaced Pages. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Sarvagnya, where you may want to participate. -- John Carter (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Dude you don't make life easy for yourself. I think you are forgetting what a gift[REDACTED] is when you get into these disputes. I am all for articles being of a neutral tone and of reliable sources but I really do think you look into certian things far too much and in doing so people may get the wrong impression of your intentions. I've seen evidence that you can create good content and removing serious POV from several articles but if you conducted yourself better you'd save so much less time in conflict. Part of the problem with[REDACTED] is time wasting with such disreputes, when all those poor stubs and articles which actually do have serious POV problems and unreliable sources are being neglected. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 20:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I dont demand any more of others than I demand of myself and infact, is demanded of me. If you can find a source I have used anywhere which you suspect is not RS, feel free to bring it up. If I am not able to demonstrate its RS-ness, I will stop using that source myself without further ado. You wont find me stonewalling, filibustering or abusing process with dishonest reports of my opponents' behaviour. Misplaced Pages could be such a better place if people would simply bow to policy and chug along. Sarvagnya 21:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm not faulting you from questioning certain sources and aiming to improve the reliability of wikipedia, lord knows that accuracy, neutrality and reliability are some of the most important issues in this encyclopedia and to improve its credibility. Naturally everybody would wish that every article reaches an acceptable standard in this way. But on certain sources finding a replacement would be very difficult particularly for Indian film statistsics. It would help if the site could publish more about their staff and editor status certainly, but they have stated how they compiled the statistics. If each reference was worded as "According to BOI" it would remove any indication that we are stating the exact truth but are merely reporting what has been reported elsewhere. Can it really be possible to verify absolutely every digit published by that site or any other? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 21:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It is precisely because it is humanly impossible for editors on[REDACTED] to verify the veracity of every written word that we have WP:RS standing between us and the sources. It is presumed that if the quality of the sources used is taken care of, the veracity of the content takes care of itself. "According to..." is used when you are quoting an expert... and BOI is not an "expert". Just as you cannot say .. "According to my neighbour..", you can also not say "According to BOI...". Sarvagnya 22:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well yes of course the source should be considered a professional one. Where the conflict seems to be arising is that you disagree on whether it is or not. I can see your concerns about the lack of information on how the statistics were compiled and that you completely disbelieve that the site "is the premium and largest site on Hindi film stats" but the issue doesn't have to be such a major one if we act maturely over it and work together to improve it for everybody and ensure there are no doubts over anything. I've replaced several, not because you disagreed with BOI as a source but because I felt the reference also prvided an insight to why a film was considered a flop or whatever and is more informative as a source than just a statistic at BOI. There are now actually only 2 out of 110 references which isn't a cause for much of a fuss, given that the article is extremely well referenced anyway I don't think it would make much difference if the remaining two were taken out or replaced ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 13:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The RfC has been deleted because I don't think John Carter and SheffieldSteel have sufficiently demonstrated that they unsuccessfully tried to resolve the issues regarding your conduct. You don't have a free pass here. Your behavior on the article's talk page (and even some of your recent comments here) have been uncivil. I suggest you be more careful about your talkpage comments in the future, as such behavior is grounds for a block. Please do not use attacks or make uncivil comments when you can get your message across in a much friendlier manner. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well.. content disputes on talk pages do heat up quite often on[REDACTED] and if we had parties to content disputes filing RfCs against each other, there'd be an RfC for every editor on wikipedia. Surely, you dont expect me to treat such mala fide filings with respect. Having said that, I must point out that the fake-content and bogus citations on that article page still remain and John Carter was one of them who warred to keep it. And as for talk page messages like this, I continue to consider it petty trolling and I reserve the right to remove such messages from my talk page. Thanks. Sarvagnya 00:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

A. Kanyakumari

Hi Sarvagnya. Could you check the reliability of A. Kanyakumari. I have my doubts evne if they are vlaid sources it still needs fixing. COuld you help reference it properly? I know Carnatic music is a subject you are interested in so,. Also N. Ramani is completely unreferenced. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 11:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well.. to begin with both Kanyakumari and Ramani are leading artists and there should be no doubt about their notability. As for sources, for anything to do with Carnatic music (or indeed with India), I'd start with searching The Hindu... ie., a <"mysearchstring" site:hindu.com> on google. Then I'd also do a similar search on deccanherald.com. Between them, I'm sure we'll find something. I'll take a look when I find time, but you could go ahead and do a few searches on the sources I mentioned and see what you get. Sarvagnya 14:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh I wasn't questioning notability. In fact I realised they were pretty important articles which is why I asked you. Personally I think it would be a good idea if there is a wikiproject on it to draw up a list of articles or at least articles you consider as a priority on the topic which have serious referencing issues and work gradually at improving them. I am continuously shocked at the some of the core American articles like Las Vegas which you'd think would be pretty sound but is rather a poor article in terms of referencing. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 08:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Kumbla

Re this edit, vedikettu in Malayalam means exploding firecrackers (as during festivals). Does "bedi" mean the same in Kannada ? I was wondering whether this "Kumble Bedi" is real or a subtle joke. Tintin 03:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

As in "kumble bedi"? Not sure what it would mean.. but in the context of that sentence in that article, I dont think it is meant as a joke. also depends on how the bedi is spelt in Kannada, bEdi, BEDi, bEDi, beedi are all different words in Kannada with vastly differing meanings. Considering it is in Kasargod, it may also mean something in Tulu.. I am not sure. Will google a little more and let you know. Sarvagnya 04:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Tintin 09:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Why your name was there

You asked why your name was there. The answer is because you never replied to this request. If you prefer to agree or reject, then I think you can still add yourself to the appropriate list. (Since so much time has passed since, I would prefer if you could add the date, but I won't make a fuss if you don't.) — Sebastian 02:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry but your revert and reply does not answer my question. I've never been a member of SLR and consequently I dont get to either "agree", "disagree" or "abstain" from any of its proposals. It is not upto you or anyone to sign me up for any project you like. All I know is that I edit SL related articles occassionally(I havent edited in months perhaps) and thats it. Unless I take it upon myself to join SLR and opine about its processes and proposals, I dont see how I can be forced to be a party to it. I am not a part of it and I dont know what it is. My involvement back then was about L and N's blocks and has/had nothing to do with any SLR. Infact, I dont have the time to find the diff now, but If I remember correctly, I had infact explicitly stated somewhere that I reject any moves to make me a party to that. I will be reverting you and I also suggest you check with Gnanapiti. I believe it will also surprise him that his name is there. Thanks. Sarvagnya 17:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

PS - If, in future, I decide to be a part of it, I will myself add my name there. Thanks. Sarvagnya 17:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's the diff. Sarvagnya 17:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You are not in the list because someone mistook you for a WP:SLR member, but because a panel of some of Misplaced Pages’s most respected administrators unanimously put you there when they forged the Sri Lanka Dispute Resolution Agreement. If you can not respect that decision, you should have replied half a year ago, when FayssalF meticulously explained it to you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Sri Lanka-LTTE blocks - reviewed#Comments. At SLR, we respect and defend the Sri Lanka Dispute Resolution Agreement, which is why we are happy to host its current version in our project page.

As you said correctly, you are not an SLR member. As such, you are welcome as a guest on our talk page, but you need to respect our house rules, which state that only members can change the project page. Please read and abide by the boxes on project and talk page. Sebastian (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all, I was not asked/consulted/informed when they decided to put my name on the SLR page. Secondly, admins - even the most respected of them simply dont get to put another editor's name on any page/discussion they want. That would be a gross misrepresentation of the editor's views. I for one, have no view whatsoever about either SLR or any of SLR's proposals. Unless I involve myself in its affairs and then "abstain" from, "support" or "oppose" a proposal, nobody else gets to speak for me. And FayssalF didnt "meticulously explain" anything to me. No offence to him, but like I said above, he simply doesnt get to do it.Sarvagnya 19:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hiya, just coming in as an uninvolved person with a suggestion. Sarvagnya, I understand that you don't want to be listed as "abstaining" since you don't really have an opinion. What if there were another section on the page that just listed "Editors contacted", with your name there? I think it's useful to have a list of "editors who edit in this topic area", to ensure that those who are interested in a debate, are informed of it. Though, as you said, there is no requirement that you actually participate. Would that address everyone's concerns? --Elonka 19:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

No. I was not even "contacted" about any SLR. My comments only had to do with the issue of blocking of two editors on allegations of sockpuppetry. So it wouldnt be appropriate to put my name under any "Contacted" list. If it was a "Editors interested in SL topics" or "Editors who have edited SL topics" or "Editors who can be contacted to opine about a SL issue" or some such thing, then .. yes.. my name can be put under that list.. (as can many other names like Black Falcon, Jayjg, Blnguyen, FayssalF etc) but that too only after telling me exactly what the specific proposal is and getting my permission. Right now, I am being put down under a "signatories" list of some "agreement", I was not even privy to! Sarvagnya 23:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

PS:An even more precise formulation would be and for one which I wouldnt need to be contacted would be - "Editors who participated in the Lahiru and Netmonger block discussions". That is it. Sarvagnya 23:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

User: John Carter

There is some commentary here that you may wish to respond to. Best Regards, Cleo123 (talk) 04:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Tagging with TinucherianBot for WikiProject Karnataka

FYI- Your attention and help is requested .You are receiving this note as you are the member of the project -- TinuCherian - 05:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Gandhi

Hey,

There's a discussion going on about the name on the Gandhi page. Please weigh in here. Thanks Nikkul (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Gandhi

Hey,

There's a discussion going on about the name on the Gandhi page. Please weigh in here. Thanks Nikkul (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes to articles and abuse by Special:Contributions/218.248.1.194

Please consider this note a head's-up on a recent spate of articles changes and abusive talk page remarks by an apparent single-purpose IP account Special:Contributions/218.248.1.194 to Kannada-related articles. Those abused in the remarks include User:Dineshkannambadi, User:Sarvagnya, User:KNM, and User:Amarrg, per . Additional abusive remarks and edit summaries directed to Dineshkannambadi are to be found in the IP's history log.

While I can revert the abusive talk page remarks, the IP's contribution history also shows a string of changes to multiple Indian history articles. Given the circumstances, it appears that these changes are of questionable merit. Unfortunately, I am not qualified on the topic content to determine if any of the other changes are correct. Accordingly, I am posting to the talk pages of the editors referenced by the IP so that you can collectively or individually take any actions on the change articles, talk pages, or the IP account that you think appropriate. -- Michael Devore (talk) 03:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Churumuri (blog)

hai superb collection ...

hai this is Naag from Hyderabad..I am planning to visit coorg in 1st week of sep 08.....also some other places near coorg...i have seen some good pics in your account which cannot be copied..if you dont mine send me the jog falls fotos to my mail plzzzz. I am requesting you.....my mail id is rajucherupally@yahoo.co.in...thanking you Naag.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.178.61 (talk) 07:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi Sarvagnya, just wanted to pop in to say "Hi"...hope you're doing well, and it's good to see you back in action. Thanks AreJay (talk) 04:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Upload script

Just an update: My upload script is ready to be used. Do have a go at testing. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

May I know why?

Why do you feel Image:Mumbai 20080212.jpg‎ should be deleted?

The reason is mentioned in the tag. It fails #8 of NFCC... ie., it does not add in any way to the readers' understanding. There's nothing the picture says or records that cannot be said in words. It is just a bunch of guys beating up somebody... maybe a thief.. maybe a saint. But it can very well be said in words without having to resort to unfair free-use of somebody else's work. And btw.. sign next time. Sarvagnya 17:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I guess it was obvious... that the above post was typed by me ...rather it would have been a courteous gesture on your part to inform the uploader of the tagging...using the template — {{subst:di-disputed fair use rationale-notice}}. Cheers! --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 17:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh.. next time.. ask the tagger before you unilaterally revert and land on somebody's page lecturing about courtesy. Sarvagnya 17:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for 31 hours for edit warring at Extinct Kannada literature. Misplaced Pages works on consensus, which requires civil discussion with other editors. Continually reverting edits is considered disruptive. You may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|1=your reason}} below this message. Hersfold 20:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|1=You must be kidding. Admins should do their homework before diving in to block long standing users of good standing. If you want discussion, feel free to dive into about 500 kb worth of discussion and RfC on the Talk:Kannada literature page. Also note that, there was no rv warring going on there worth mention (I had.. what? 1.5 RR?). Whatever there was, had ceased for hours now. For that matter, another impeccable editor of long standing Dineshkannambadi also was reverting to my version. If there was any warring, it was by user:Fowler & fowler who kept reverting both me and Dineshkannambadi. Protect the page if you will, but a block is way out of line and an abuse of admin tools. I request an unblock. Sarvagnya 21:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)}}

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): I've unblocked Fowler, so you should probably be unblocked too. Please do not continue revert-warring, though. Request handled by: Moreschi (talk) 21:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Racism faced by Bihari Community in India

I have edited the article "Racism faced by Bihari Community in India" a bit and changed the title back to Racism faced by Bihari Community in India, based on the discussions here and here. Kindly discuss if you disagree. Manoj nav (talk) 09:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Greetings

Kindly have a look at Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil vote at its AfD. Thanks for your time ­ Kris (talk) 23:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

tags

I cant find anything in the talk page??? Pls stop your disruptive editing. If you are tagging for POV, you need to show the other POV with references and so, we can "make" it NPOV. If you are tagging for original research, you need to specifically point to a sentence which you think is original research. If you want the citations checked, you need to tell me which citation? If you think the material is sythesised, you need to explain. Random tagging because "I dont like it" is not the way things work here. In other words, you can not sprinkle the articles with tags and get away without explaining.

For the record, Marathi regionalism is discussed in this bookamong other sources. Docku:“what up?” 17:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Bosnian Pyramid entry

Dear,

A person Ronz is seriously distorting the presentation of the entry "Bosnian Pyramid", removing valid material, with references, etc. But as they do not fit into his whatever, he simply deletes, etc. I am not the only one who has pointed this out, and I would like an editor to address this point, as it is clear that the truth is FAR removed from what is being represented on this page.

Thanks. Dsine (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I've explained my edits, and will do so in more detail if anyone is interested. --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Wrong number. Sarvagnya 22:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

perception

I merely wanted to make sense of your understanding and perception of WP:OR and WP:Synth varying from one article to another. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 23:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

sigh.. is this what you do for a living? now.. if you have any complaints about this, that or the other article.. kindly take it to the respective article or talk pages. my page is not a talk page for any article. bye. Sarvagnya 23:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

marathi nationalism

I'm not saying you don't have valid points. I was the one who questioned the validity of some of those phrases, I'm just saying 1. let it be discussed, and 2. as per general convention let there be a chance to source it. Lihaas (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

On wikipedia, we are not in the business of "discussing" unsourced disputed content. Without your sources, there's nothing to "discuss". The fact that you added the {cn}} tags does not mean you can keep it there for years. Not only is the content patent nonsense but there has also not been, in the last week or so, any effort towards addressing the tags by whoever it was that added it in the first place. And fyi, this OR/POV-pushing goes back far more than a week. The same OR/POV in various shapes has been recycled across a host of articles for months now. I am perfectly within my rights to remove it. If you want it back, just cite it and be done. Also, if you dont realize, it surely is quite silly to bring back stuff {cn}} tags and all - particularly when it was apparently you who added the tags in the first place! Sarvagnya 19:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Language riots

I saw the two Ram Guha articles that were deleted from Marathi nationalism (I don't think they quite belong there!) and got to wondering why[REDACTED] has no articles on the 1965 language riots in India? Any interest in starting one?

There is an Anti-Hindi agitations already (though I don't quite think that's the right title for the article). Sarvagnya 19:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree (about the title). The first line itself is biased. Plus, the riots were both pro-Hindi (a bit later) and anti-Hindi-as-national-language, so the title is not even correct in spirit. --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 19:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Right! The first line describes it as just Tamil Nadu's opposition while it was more pan-India than that. To be sure, the most sensational and dramatic agitations happened in TN.. but it surely was a more widespread agitation. As for the title, I can't think of a good one right now.. if you can think of one, feel free to move it. At the very least we need to get rid of the "s" in the "agitations" imo. Sarvagnya 19:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

anti-hindi agitations

I noticed that you changed the lead of the article. I understand the rational behind your changes. What is missing is that the article does not discuss about agitations anywhere else other than TN. You might want to add such information before changing the lead. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 19:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

And you might want to stop using my talk page as the place for discussing assorted content from assorted articles. And in any case, you got it mostly wrong. Again. Sarvagnya 19:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Your talk page will be used to discuss content changes you make to articles. I may be wrong. I may even believe that the agitations were more pan-Indian, i just dont see it in the article. I also am aware that not being in the article doesnt indicate its non-existence. But you are just calling me wrong without answering my question. Pls add information (with reliable sources) to the content of the article reflecting the change you made to the lead. Thanks for your cooperation. Docku:“what up?” 19:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Look.. if you want to improve the article.. do it! If you think it is missing something.. add it! Or sit back and relax. Somebody will get to it eventually. Whatever it may be.. if it has to do with article content, you take it to the article's talk page.. not an individual editor's talk page... If you want content added, sources added.. anything added to the article.. all that goes on the article talk page. Not mine. Don't bother discussing article content on my page in future. I will be ignoring and/or reverting it. Thanks for your cooperation. Sarvagnya 20:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI, I have listed for an advice on ANI for the above comments you just made. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 20:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Colon in your signature

It would probably be best if you removed the colon in your signature (it's currently

RfA

Hi Sarvagnya! Thank you very much for your questions and support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey 19:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hello again, Sarvagnya. Regarding some of your recent edits, if you have a problem with some of the actions taken by another user, please comment on the content in a civil and objective manner. Edit summaries such as these constitute personal attacks and hinder everyone's ability to have a constructive discussion on the topic. Other comments which detract from having a calm and civil discussion such as this one are also considered to be disruptive. If you are having difficulty working with other editors, I would encourage you to seek some form of dispute resolution so that other users can help you sort things out. Taking a wikibreak or even just stepping back for a moment can also help out at times. Please take some time to review your recent actions and work to improve on them in the future. Thank you, and please let me know if you have any questions. Hersfold 23:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

FYI, I started a thread at ANI about some comments you made at Talk:Languages of India. Please see here. Thanks. Docku: What up? 00:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:MLV1.jpg

You will note that my edit summary was "Claimed as free. If you dispute the free-ness of the image, use PUI". I was not saying that the image was completely valid for the very reason that I hadn't looked into the issue. I reverted only because the tag used was obviously not valid. It's a little ironic that you just chastised me for not looking into an issue when it's clear that you haven't actually looked into my reasons for acting yourself. J Milburn (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

M. L. Vasanthakumari

Hello Sarvagnya, I just wanted to drop a note before things got any worse. I notice what appears to be the start of a edit war at M. L. Vasanthakumari. To ensure that you do not violate WP:3RR or WP:EDITWAR, I ask that you take your concerns to the articles talk page and/or request a third opinion. Remember edit warring does nothing by harm the article in question, and generally leads to a block. Tiptoety 20:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy.. there's been plenty of discussions and the issue was taken to RSN where the site was deemed non-RS. And the image is a blatant copyvio. Misplaced Pages would be a better place if people like you would start to recognize that non-RS sources and blatant copyvios are a bigger problem than being politically correct about things like incivilty (real and imagined) and EDITWAR. btw, i have 2 reverts there and user:Ncmv has 3.. pray, what earns me to your special attention? Sarvagnya 21:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I was unaware of said threads. Would you mind providing me with a link? Tiptoety 21:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Look in the Carnatic music talk page archives and the WP:RSN archives. Or ask Ncmvocalist himself. He was part of the discussions and he should be able to dig it out for you. btw.. you might also want to drop him a line about 3rr and editwar.. he's precariously perched on 3 reverts if you didnt notice. Sarvagnya 22:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom of Mysore FAR

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The Indian Barnstar of National Merit

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Please explain removal of content

AN/I

FYI, pls see this thread at AN/I here. Docku: What up? 05:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

India

Could you look at this edit? Seems biased (countries in South Asia with lower HDIs than India don't have inflammatory pictures presented with misleading and decontextualized captions)Awareoftypes (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC).

Requested move

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Kingdom of Mysore

Hi Sarvagnya. Thanks for the content in the Music section, which I will copy edit soon. Please add the name of the ref book in the reference section.thanks, Dineshkannambadi (talk) 21:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Took care of it.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 23:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya. Please add the ref book name for Venkata Ramanappa.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 22:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I was looking for a meaning for "raiyat" in the Administration section. The closest I caould come up with was "land owners" or "feudal chiefs". Is that correct?Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; at some point, our paths have crossed and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which!

Merry Christmas

Hello Sarvagnya! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One 11:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Fake Duplicate Articles created by propagandists

1. Kunan Poshpora incident]
2. Gawakadal massacre
3. Chattisinghpora, Pathribal, and Barakpora massacres- duplicate propaganda of Chittisinghpura massacre

Could you look into them?Ontopofcosts (talk) 20:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Sarvagnya, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

What monkey brain I have. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year to you, Sarvagnya!

Nice to see you still around. Both the India and Hinduism projects seem to be awfully quiet otherwise - hopefully it's just the holidays. Happy editing. Abecedare (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

lalit Jagannath

When you can spare the time, could you look into the edits of lalit Jagannath? ALL of his edits are biased, slanted against India, and undue weight based on tendentious anti-India misinterpretation of his "sources". He has completely trashed Economy of India (compare it to Economy of Pakistan), and his edits deserve close scrutiny (particularly his edits to Education in India). he seem to have no understanding of WP:NPOV at all, and all of his attacks are on high-ranked high-visibility India articles. Please do take a look at this stuff. Thanks very much.72.179.43.32 (talk) 08:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Bugle Rock

Sarvagnya, Namaskara!

I have used all the pictures that you had uploaded on bugle rock on wikicommons in my article on Bugle Rock, which I have posted as a DYK hook today. I hope you like the article.--Nvvchar (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Your comments

Hi, Sarvagnya! I believe your concerns expressed here have now been addressed. Please tell me if anything else needs to be done or I have missed something. As for the other problems with the article, I'm still working on the images but others have been fixed. Chamal 14:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

How to use this top Indian Wikipedian list for effective collaboration

Hi, I have added a section 'How to use this list for effective collaboration' on User:Tinucherian/Indians WP page to see if we can put this list to really good use, pl give your thoughts on the same and we can take it further from there. Thanks. Vjdchauhan (talk) 18:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC).

Proposal at Talk:Kingdom of Mysore

Please respond at Proposal. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Reminder: Please respond at Proposal. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Please add description and links to categories to photos on Commons

I have seen in Commons for example your photo http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:MysorePalace2.JPG that does not have a description. In your gallery on Commons http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Sarvagnya I have seen more photos without a description or a link to a category. That makes it difficult for others to find your very nice photos. An explanation about categories is given on page http://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Category Could you please go over your gallery and add description and links to categories where needed? Thanks and regards, Wouterhagens (talk) 21:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

No content in Category:Organisations of Karnataka

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User:Sarvagnya/KARInfobox

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Request for peer review.

Hi Sarvagnya, the article Namadhari naik belonging to Karnataka wikigroup, is edited by me and deals with the community history of the Namadharis/Halepaiks of Uttara Kannada. In creating this article i have referred to most of Kannada literature sources, some of which are really rare . These form a necessary part of the glorious literary tradition of Kannada language and need to be seconded. hence i request you to kindly review the page.

offlate, i have been facing unilateral notices on the material without a proper knowledgable discussion on the topic. the member issuing notices seems to lack relevent knowledge in the subject and is defintely biased. but the warnings and unwarranted editing may lead to the page loosing out on the precious information derived from above mentioned sources. So i request neutral observers like you to review it and opinionate. thankyou

Tej smiles (talk) 18:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Belgaum Border Dispute

I saw you placing arguments in the discussion page of the above topic. Precisely i think both the parties have been beating around the bush without much headway. I am providing here the excerpts of the book "Dynasties Of the Kanarese Districts of the Bombay Presidency" by J.F.Fleet (1894) which forms a part of the Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. This should generously tilt the scale in Karnataka's favor .

here it is, " In defining the limits of the Kanarese language, on the west and north may be designated "by a line drawn from Sadashivgad (Karwar), to the westward of Belgaum,Hukkeri through Kagal and Kurundwad, passing between 'Keligaon' and 'Pandegaon' through Brahmapuri on Bhima and Sholapur and thence east, to the neighbourhood of Bidar. This however wrongly excludes Kolhapur. As for Sholapur which now officially counts as a Marathi District , Kanarese is still , to a great extent the vernacular of south east corner of it. And there are Kanarese inscriptions of the Western Chalukyas ,Kalachurya and Devagiri yadavas of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries and some later ones, at Sholapur itself, and at Kudal and Mohol in that district, and at Karajgi, Kudal, and Tadwal in the Akalkot state.

"...In official language the four recognised Kanarese districts of this presidency viz. Belgaum,Bijapur and Dharwar collectorates together with the Kolhapur, Miraj and other Native states called the "Southern Maratha Country". A more misleading appellation, however it originated, could not well have been devised. It is true that, in one of the earliest inscriptions of Pulakesin II, this part of the country is included in what was known then and even many centuries before his time as Maharashtra. But this term meaning literally "the great country", does not inherently imply any of the racial and lingusitic peculiarities which are now naturally attached to the terms 'Maratha' and 'Marathi', derived from it. In the whole area of so-called Southern Maratha country ,not a single Marathi inscription has been discovered, of a greater age than two or three centuries. With the exception that two Prakrit records have been obtained at Banawasi in North Kanara and 'Malavalli' in Mysore, and that a few Prakrit words occur here and there in other records, the inscriptions are all either in pure Sanskrit or pure Kanarese, or in the two languages combined. This fact speaks of itself, as to what the vernacular of the country was in early times. In the present day, the people and the language of British districts are essentially Kanarese; and the Kanarese people and language have been displaced , to a certain extent, by the Marathi people and language in the Native States, only because those States were established by the aggressions of the Marathas from the north, whose local influence proved to be greater than that of the native rulers whom they dispossessed. Even in the Native States, and in Marathi official correspondence, the Political Agent at Kolhapuris , to the present day always addressed as the Political Agent, not of the "Dakshina Maharasthra" or "Southern Maratha Country, but of the "Karavira Ilakha and the Karnataka Prant"..."

Tej smiles (talk) 12:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedians from Karnataka

Hi, I'm trying to put together a list of Wikipedians from Karnataka. I'm also trying to gather together the contacts. The idea is to build a network of Wiki enthusiasts, contributors from the region that could help sync off-line Wiki activity, bring together people who can work together in effectively reaching out to the public in the region on using Misplaced Pages and related open content projects. Can you help by sending your contact and also by referring editors from Karnataka you've come across on Misplaced Pages? Thank you, --H P Nadig 19:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Creating new article

Recently I saw many of your contributions, edits and debates here and some are impressive. So I thought let me try to create an article so that more information about India and Karnataka be on the Internet. I tried to created an article called "Karnataka History Timeline" and it appears that no one reviews it. It is presently on the talk page. So if you fell free do look at it and suggest any changes/deletions,etc. The address of the article is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Karnataka_History_Timeline

Thanks..santhosh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.225.240.38 (talk) 08:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Ugranarasimha idol

http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Ugranarasimha_statue_at_Hampi_dtv.JPG - isn't this idol the one at Beluru/Halebidu? Don't think this is the one at Hampi. --H P Nadig 03:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Sarvagnya/Annavru

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Karnataka Userbox

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Need comments on this RFC -

Need your views and comments. One should also go through . ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 08:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Musicological Nonet

Dear Sarvagna,

I am a Ph.D. student doing research on music in the Vijayanagara period. I request you to give me the reference of the original article by Dr. R. Sathyanarayana which has been the main source for the Misplaced Pages page - Vijayanagara Musicological Nonet. This reference would be invaluable for me and your help in this matter would be much appreciated.

Thanks and Regards!Veena player (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for List of people of North Karnataka

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Requesting your help : Please add a licensed photo of Upendra to his wiki page

Hello, i recently saw that you have uploaded a licensed photo of kannada actor upendra's residence "Summane". I request you to similarly upload a licensed photo of Upendra and add it to his wiki page. Since i dont know how to upload licensed photo, each time i upload an unlicensed pic, it gets deleted. Hence i am requesting your help. Its necessary that there must be a photo of a famous personality like Upendra in his wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhijitkool (talk • contribs) 09:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Kannadigas

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Thanks a lot for your picture of Nanjanagud Rasabaale. That was originally used in english[REDACTED] artcile https://en.wikipedia.org/Nanjanagud_banana. Now we have used that to enhance kannada[REDACTED] article as well for the same topic https://kn.wikipedia.org/%E0%B2%A8%E0%B2%82%E0%B2%9C%E0%B2%A8%E0%B2%97%E0%B3%82%E0%B2%A1%E0%B3%81_%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%AC%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%B3%E0%B3%86. Happy to inform you that both articles are featured in below editathon now https://meta.wikimedia.org/CIS-A2K/Events/Geographical_Indications_in_India_Edit-a-thon ಪ್ರಶಸ್ತಿ (talk) 15:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Karnataka

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Best Wishes

Really miss you even after all these years.Thanks for all the good work.Have added you to Misplaced Pages:Missing Wikipedians.But will be pleased to remove it when you choose to return.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

A small appreciation

Hey, there. I'm quite new around here, and to make myself familiar with the community, I was going through some old archives. I happened to come across this discussion in which you were involved. I'd say your arguments were spot on, and remain valid to date. It's a bit unfortunate that the discussion did not go your way because you were outnumbered. Nevertheless, you've set a good example for future Wikipedians to follow. I see your last edit was 11 years ago, and I don't know if you'd ever come back to see this message. However, I felt I should leave a message anyway so that your contributions to improve the site will be remembered. I hope that a good editor like you will make a return, Best regards --Ab207 (talk) 22:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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