Revision as of 19:07, 9 April 2008 editGennarous (talk | contribs)6,735 edits →Lomis' wholesale revert of sourced information← Previous edit | Latest revision as of 23:54, 19 February 2024 edit undoQwerfjkl (bot) (talk | contribs)Bots, Mass message senders4,025,563 edits Implementing WP:PIQA (Task 26)Tag: Talk banner shell conversion | ||
(176 intermediate revisions by 19 users not shown) | |||
Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{talk header}} | |||
{{WPMILHIST | |||
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=C| | |||
|class=Stub | |||
{{WikiProject Military history|class=Start | |||
| B1 <!-- Referencing and citations --> = n | |||
| B2 <!-- Coverage and accuracy --> = n | |||
| B3 <!-- Structure --> = y | |||
| B4 <!-- Grammar and style --> = y | |||
| B5 <!-- Supporting materials --> = y | |||
|WWII-task-force=yes | |WWII-task-force=yes | ||
|Italian-task-force=yes | |Italian-task-force=yes | ||
}} | |||
{{WikiProject Correction and Detention Facilities|importance=low}} | |||
{{WikiProject Croatia|importance=Mid}} | |||
{{WikiProject Yugoslavia}} | |||
{{WikiProject Italy}} | |||
}} | |||
{{Broken anchors|links= | |||
* <nowiki>]</nowiki> The anchor (#1940s) is no longer available because it was ] before. <!-- {"title":"1940s","appear":{"revid":383449953,"parentid":383262209,"timestamp":"2010-09-07T13:29:45Z","removed_section_titles":,"added_section_titles":},"disappear":{"revid":622071762,"parentid":622030285,"timestamp":"2014-08-20T15:51:43Z","removed_section_titles":,"added_section_titles":}} --> | |||
}} | }} | ||
== Jewish inmates in Rab == | |||
Isn't that last paragraph a bit harsh? I'm seeing possible NPOV problems there.--] (]) 14:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
I've clarified it. If you read the article from the IHT it explains quite clearly Italian "amnesia" about Rab and other fascist era atrocities. The npov tag should be removed. ] (]) 17:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Concentration Camp? == | |||
To call this camp a 'concentration camp' is extremely biased and incorrect. Prisoners were held in similar conditions to prisoners of war, are prisoner of war camps called concentration camps? Of course not that would be stupid the same goes for this camp. The operators of this camp did not kill its prisoners like the Germans did, it was more of a jail. Starvation was a result of low food, people in Italy were starving as well - normal citizens there was a food shortage everywhere not just in this camp. | |||
Daniel Carpi: . Yad Vashem, Shoah Resource Center | |||
==POV== | |||
Klaus Voigt: ''Zuflucht auf Widerruf - Exil in Italien 1933-1945''. Klett-Cotta 1993, Band 2, {{ISBN|3-608-91160-X}} | |||
As per the two editors above, this article was/is (if Alasdair has reverted it) extremely POV. It insults Italians with this "amnesia" ethnic attack and also there was something about Berlusconi who was only a child when this prisoner of war camp existed. - ] (]) 15:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
:The article is not POV. It is factual and well-sourced. Judging from your comment that "also there was something about Berlusconi who was only a child when this prisoner of war camp existed" you haven't even read it properly. If you have any proposed changes, please bring them to the talk page for discussion. Many thanks. ] (]) 17:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Both are descibing the whereabouts of the internment as a kind of rescue.--] (]) 18:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Its not a NPOV, because its presented in a strongly anti-Italian, revisionist view. No it isn't, the numbers of deaths have no source for the, do not remove citation tags next to them until you have provided a source to back up your highly contentious claims. Do not remove POV tags when three people on this talk have said your write-up is POV. Silvio Berlusconi has absoutely no connection or relevence to this article, picking at random an out of context quote does not belong in an article like this. - ] (]) 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
== External links modified == | |||
:::What I'm trying get across is (as have two other users), the way you've twisted the article, it makes it sound like some sort of Holocaust, extermination camp, when its simply a ] camp. Things that exist in ALL wars when prisoners are taken, even the Allies took prisoners and put them in camps. These people were not systematically slaughtered, like in Nazi concentration camps where people were put into gas chambers, etc. The ones who died, did so because around that period (the early 40s) Italy and the things it controlled had started to crumble and was poorley organised, people died in Italy too of starvation from the country been ripped in half. The picture you're painting does not reflect reality, or neautrality. - ] (]) 18:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello fellow Wikipedians, | |||
As I have said, if you have any proposed changes to make I am happy to discuss them here. Until then, I will ask you once again not to remove text that is peoperly sourced from this or any other article. Thank you. ] (]) 18:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
I have just modified 3 external links on ]. Please take a moment to review . If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes: | |||
::::You have said one thing, but done another, typical communist behaviour. I have provided discussion above, you have avoided discussing it completely in your reply. How is that "happily disscussing" anything, when you've point blank ignored it? Three people have told you that you are wrong, yet you continue. I will be removing your edits tomorrow when you are at school. Thank you. - ] (]) 19:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation | |||
*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20031029AtCroatiareunion.html | |||
*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20031029AtCroatiareunion.html | |||
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050212045433/http://www.oris.hr/oris_br_27/tekst_02.htm to http://www.oris.hr/oris_br_27/tekst_02.htm | |||
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100527075954/http://www.muzej-kampor.croatia-rab.com/ to http://muzej-kampor.croatia-rab.com/ | |||
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. | |||
:::::Please restrict your comments to the content, not the editor. Thank you. ] (]) 19:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
{{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}} | |||
::wtf, do you even know what you're writing?! None of your edits make sense, you call the Partisans "civilians" ("terrorists") and then "POWs". Do you even know how outright ''stupid'' that sounds? I suggest you cool down, ''immediately,'' the rab concentration camp was not a POW camp as it contained Partisan combatants, suspected Slav anti-fascists, and other "enemies of the state". | |||
::It most certainly was an extermination camp, much like ]. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">] <sup>(])</sup></font> 14:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 01:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Lomis' wholesale revert of sourced information== | |||
*1) we don't removed sourced information on the prisoners (some of which are from books), when they are sourced from a book. | |||
*2) the first link from the old version is a dead link, it says "404 Not Available". Note Lomis seems to have ]ed me here after his months of trying to attack Alessandra Mussolini. - ] (]) 19:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 23:54, 19 February 2024
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Rab concentration camp article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: 1, 2 |
This article is rated C-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Tip: Anchors are case-sensitive in most browsers.
This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
|
Jewish inmates in Rab
Daniel Carpi: The Rescue of Jews in the Italian Zone of Occupied Croatia. Yad Vashem, Shoah Resource Center Klaus Voigt: Zuflucht auf Widerruf - Exil in Italien 1933-1945. Klett-Cotta 1993, Band 2, ISBN 3-608-91160-X
Both are descibing the whereabouts of the internment as a kind of rescue.--5glogger (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Rab concentration camp. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20031029AtCroatiareunion.html - Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20031029AtCroatiareunion.html - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050212045433/http://www.oris.hr/oris_br_27/tekst_02.htm to http://www.oris.hr/oris_br_27/tekst_02.htm
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100527075954/http://www.muzej-kampor.croatia-rab.com/ to http://muzej-kampor.croatia-rab.com/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Categories:- Start-Class military history articles
- Start-Class European military history articles
- European military history task force articles
- Start-Class Italian military history articles
- Italian military history task force articles
- Start-Class World War II articles
- World War II task force articles
- C-Class Croatia articles
- Mid-importance Croatia articles
- All WikiProject Croatia pages
- C-Class Yugoslavia articles
- Unknown-importance Yugoslavia articles
- WikiProject Yugoslavia articles
- C-Class Italy articles
- Unknown-importance Italy articles
- All WikiProject Italy pages