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			== Streaming Statistics ==
	==Possible recurring joke?==
	In the episode "Plaything," the brothers are mistaken for gay lovers. I seem to recall this happening in one or two previous episodes. If this is a recurring joke, perhaps it could be worked into the article. ] 02:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Supernatural (American TV series)\|answered=yes}} Is it possible to include the show's streaming performance under "Impact"? Either under ratings or on its own subcategory. The show has been in the top 10 most streamed shows in the USA for 2020 and 2021 according to Nielsen. It's the highest genre show in 2020 for both original and acquired shows combined, and 2nd highest genre show in 2021 when you combine both original and acquired shows. It ranked top 7 on both years overall. As per the following sources:
	: In the episode "Something Wicked," the hotel managers son offers them a king size bed. However, I'm not sure if two times is reacurring; it's really more of a shoutout to the fans, (there are several in Playthings)wether said fans are Wincest shippers or just like the running gag. I'd think, if they pull that card 3 times on the show, it could be a notable occurance, but not twice. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 04:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
			*2020 - https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2021/tops-of-2020-nielsen-streaming-unwrapped/
			*2020 - https://deadline.com/2021/01/the-office-ozark-nielsen-2020-streaming-ranking-1234672025/
			*2021 - https://deadline.com/2022/01/nielsen-streaming-top-shows-of-2021-lucifer-1234914241/
			*2021 - https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2022/streaming-grew-its-audience-in-2021-drama-reality-and-kids-programming-lead-the-content-wars/?utm_campaign=Nielsen_Audience_Measurement&utm_content=Streaming_Unwrapped&utm_id=NLSN_01_21_2022&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic_social
			I think it's a significant achievement for the show and needs to be included. Especially since streaming is a significant portion of viewership these days. The show has gone on long enough to have gone from linear broadcast ratings to also experience streaming ratings. Thank you.
			--] (]) 10:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

			:{{Done}}. ] (]) 13:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
	::* The 'gay' insinuation has been brought up three times now, "Bugs" where the developer stated that they 'accept home owners of any race, colour, religion or sexual orientation'. Minutes later a realtor says the same thing which Dean plays along to slaping Sam on the ass and calling him 'honey'. In "Something Wicked" the kid looks at Dean then at Sam and offers 'a king or two queens?', Dean says two queens, the kid replies sure but it's obvious what he thinks their sleeping arrangements are. And in "Playthings" the hotel manager and butler guy believe them to be lovers. Dean wonders why that keeps happening, Sam tells him that he is kinda butch and that he might be over compensating. It is definitely a recurring theme, and I'm sure Eric Kripke knows that there is a strong following for Wincest (Winchester incest) but I don't think that there is much that could really be included in the article other than say 'the brothers are often mistaken for lovers' but it's not really realvent to the overall story. Unless Eric says something in an interview specifically about it, it's not worth including it. ] 14:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
			::Thank you! Can we add its 2022 rank? It's 11th on Overall (Original+Acquired) charts, and 8th on Acquired charts for the entirety of 2022. Source: https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/stranger-things-most-streamed-tv-show-2022-1235503095/
			::Thanks! ] (]) 15:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

			Can we add an update for the 2023 statistics please? It tied with 'Heartland' with 22.8 billion views in the 9/10th place for overall shows, also an increase from its total views from last year. Thank you ] (]) 20:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

			:I forgot to add the source: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/
	:::I'd forgotten about"Bugs"...yes, it's been used 3 times, but like it was said above, I don't know if it's mention-worthy. It's mostly relevant in the Wincest Fanfiction world.

	~~::*I think it is a recurring joke, but hardly worth mentioning in this article. —~~] ~~<sup>~~]~~</sup>~~ ~~02:~~20, 29 January ~~2007~~ (UTC)		] (]) 20:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

			Following up on my above request to update 2023 statistics. I also forgot to witch the edit request status. ] (]) 01:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Music Listing Necessary? ==
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 23:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2022 ==
	The songs listed have no real bearing here in the encyclopedia. They would possibly be more suited to a fansite of this now (possibly canned) show.

			{{edit semi-protected\|Supernatural (American TV series)\|answered=yes}}
	I am removing the section and I hope if someone leaps into the fray to add it back that they can at least provide adequate reasoning as to how informative it actually is and why it should actually be there. ] 23:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
			Hi,

			In the sidebar under “starring,” please add Jim Beaver, who played Bobby Singer on the show. ] (]) 05:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
			:Jim Beaver was never a "starring" cast member, he was credited as a guest star. He is a notable character, but was never part of the main cast. ] (]) 13:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

			Oh okay. Got it and thank you! ] (]) 15:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
	* This has something sort of to do with music... This doesn't have to go on the page but I've noticed that the first episode of each season either starts or ends with a ] song. ] 07:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

			== Supernatural: Then and Now ==
	==Possible reference to The Simpsons==

			(This note should not be included in the article. This podcast is hosted by the actors who played Gabriel and Chuck Shurley/God, making it related. The podcast plans to follow the entire series with comments on all episodes.)
	In the first season of ] in the episode "Something Wicked," the character Dean gives a list of towns that have been terrorized by a ]. I am not devoted to the Simpsons enough to know for sure, but I believe the list was a reference to the list of towns who have built monorails in the ] episode of ]. One of the towns mentioned is "West Haverbrook." Can anyone confirm or deny this? ] 17:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
	: In the Simpsons, it was North Haverbrook that had a monorail built in it.] 21:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

			Supernatural: Then and Now is an American based podcast hosted by ] and ]. The first episode, in which Speight and Benedict interview Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, was released on 24 January 2022.
	: The towns sam mentions "Ogdenville, North Haverbrook" are both from the simpsons episode, http://en.wikipedia.org/Marge_vs._the_Monorail <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 16:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			The podcast consists of the two hosts watching episodes from the tv show ], while interviewing the cast and crew that made the 15 season show possible. Guests have included ] (Dean Winchester), ] (Sam Winchester) and ] (Executive Producer) .
	==Possible reference to Ghostbusters==
	If I recall correctly, in the first season episode "Hell House," the two ghost investigators are named Winston and Zeddemore, a reference to Winston Zeddemore from Ghostbusters. Later on, as a diversion, Dean yells "Who you gonna call?" which is, again, a Ghostbusters reference.

			Each episode features Rob and Rich recapping the episode before inviting one or more guests to discuss what happened in the episode as well as background information pertaining to the series, such as casting processes or amusing moments from set. At the end of each season of the show, the hosts publish a wrap-up of the season they have just finished, sharing favourite moments from the season, as well as plans for the consecutive season.
	:Yes, these were clearly references to Ghostbusters.--] 22:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

			The podcast releases episodes every Monday, and plans to continue through the 15 seasons of the show. It is sponsored by BetterHelp and produced by Story Mill Media. Episode lengths range from 30 - 65 minutes. ] (]) 17:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
	== Running Time ==

			== Filming location ==
	Under running time, it clearly says 60 minutes (per episode plus commercials). Shouldn't it be '''including''' commercials? Doesn't plus infer that the commercials haven't been added yet? This is a semantic bit that I've never fully grasped.

			Hey, is it me or would this be technically a Canadian-American because it was mostly filmed in Canada especially in British Columbia so shouldn't this show be labeled as a Canadian-American show ] (]) 02:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
	I think it means in comparison to the "without commercials" description, though I have edited it slightly to read ''with'' commercials as yeah, that could confuse people. ] 07:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Nope, as filming location does not equate country of origin. Plenty of American-produced shows film in Canada or Europe. It's solely American because it's produced by American production companies (primarily ] and ]) for American television networks (]/]). ] (]) 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


	== Trivia ==

	I removed the following items:

	:The name "Mary-Ann Liu" appears at least twice on props in the show, once on Sam's cell phone listing in "Scarecrow" and once on a birth certificate Sam is examining in "Salvation." This may be a shout-out to Vancouver artist and production designer Mary-Ann Liu, though it is at this point unconfirmed whether she has worked on the show.
	:The surname "Winchester" could be a reference to the firearms manufacturer, as well as the Winchester mansion.

	These are not verified. If you'd like to include them, please provide a reference and we can put them back.--] 01:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

	The whole trivia section needs a serious clean-up. It's now the bulk of the article, which is clearly out of whack with Wiki guidelines on ]. We should be working to work trivia into the fabric of the article, migrate the information to other articles, or remove it altogether as ]. Anything non-obvious and unsourced would be prime candidates to delete. - ] 13:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
	:I worked all the trivia into the article and added uncites where necessary. Some of it went into the merged section on Dean's car. Some of it was applicable to production notes. Some was added to the backstory. But most of it was episodic trivia, so I just migrated it all to the episode summaries in the episode list (where the stuff really belonged to start with, IMO). All of the trivia was moved, none of it was deleted. - ] 16:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Australian season 1 release ==

	I'm not sure if other people have noticed or not but the release date for season 1 in Australia seems to be the 6th of September not the 13th. I have seen places advertising both dates does anyone have an explanation for this. I haven't changed the date in the article thinking that maybe the 13th is the official release or something. ] 15:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
	:I bought the season 1 box set yesterday but I'm not sure when it was release. When I get some time I'll fill out the list of region 4 dvd special features, although I havn't investigated I suspect it to be the same as the US dvd's. Hang on I've just read that all extras were removed, I'll have to check it.] 14:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

	==Recurring characters==
	Apparently there exists the beginnings of an ] over whether or not ] (Meg) and ] (Jessica) qualify as ]s. According to the definition given on the wikilinked page, I'd say <s>Nicki</s> Meg, yes, Jessica (two episodes), no. Thoughts? -] 07:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC) These characters are dead, so they won't be recurring characters -- ] 21:06, 12 February 2008 (GMT)

	*I've added in Ash, who will definitely be a recurring character this season along with Jo and Ellen, all of whom will be showing up in multiple (3+) episodes this season. But I agree that Jessica doesn't count as recurring. —<font face="georgia" size="3">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 19:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

	Another thing is for Missouri. One episode. Major role, though not very important. Some parts are intergratable into the John Winchester article, and the rest in "Home". Agent Hendricken may count as a recurring. Though It still is only two...
	] 08:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

	:Then why does Ava have her own page?

	== The Demon ==

	From the symbol John drew in 'In My Time of Dying' people have worked out the identiy of THE demon, although this hasn't been confimed yet from Kripke and probably won't be for a while it is quite a sure thing. Should information about this be added and where given its high spoiler nature? --] 12:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
	:Unless you can quote a reputable source you shouldn't add it anyway, per ]. Fan speculation isn't encyclopediac. - ] 18:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

	*

	== Eric Kripke wikilink ==

	I fail to see the point, and citing policy as a blanket defense is condescending. From ]:
	*"Sometimes it is useful to create a red link to indicate that an article ''will be created soon'' or that an article should be created for the topic because it is about an important, verifiable subject."
	It's been a red Wikilink within this article for many, many months, and it's unlikely someone creating a Kripke article wouldn't come here to link it. Unless someone has immediate plans to do so? - ] 19:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	:No need to be defensive. For a ], it's general policy not to delink the name. ] 20:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	::Where is that stated? Notability itself isn't even a Wiki policy. - ] 20:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::Doesn't matter. I created a stub article for Eric Kripke.

	== International Section ==

	This section is becoming far too big and has almost no relevance to the show, something needs to be done about it, either condensing it or removing it altogether. Thoughts? Naomi ] 12:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

	:I disagree. It's pertinent information. International distribution is part of pretty much every television article on Wiki. If you want to see a section that is long, look at the international section of ]. - ] 17:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

	:If it is so important to have the International section and it is too long, give it it's own page with a link to it. What harm can come of that? ] 20:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

	::I agree with you, if the list gets substantial enough and has enough additional information to warrant a separate article, but a list of less than twenty individual channels? In just sheer vertical length, the international section is the second shortest in the article (not counting episodes, since it directs to a rather lengthy article). Doing that now would be premature, and probably just result in an AfD that led to the content being merged back into this article. - ] 20:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

	== Super-wiki: Link to an extremely comprehensive Supernatural resource site ==

	I was going to add this link to the EL list, but after reading the no more links note, I guess I'll put it here for your consideration:

	This is a jaw-droppingly comprehensive research and analysis site that I think would be a good resource for people looking for extremely detailed information about this show. While technically a (very well-organized) fan-run site, I think it would be a worthwhile link to include in the list as a "for more information" kind of thing. If consensus disagrees, I'll just leave the link here in the discussion, but I do think it would be a worthy addition. —<font face="georgia" size="3">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 19:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
	:It looks good to me. ] 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

	:I have no issues. One good fan site isn't against Wiki policy. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 12:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	I'm going to go ahead and add it. ] 13:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

	== Official site ==

	The official site according to is . Please don't change the link in the infobox, as it is correct. Thanks. ] 08:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

	== TWoP link? ==

	After seeing the link addition advisory, I chose to be safe rather than sorry. How about adding the from ]? — ] 16:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	:Recaps are available in the TV.com links of each of the individual episode articles. - ] 19:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	:While this may be true, TWoP recaps are generally more detailed or longer. Not saying they're better, but a different perspective. — ] 21:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	*I would be all for adding a link to the TWOP recaps. It is a very popular site, respected by on the internet and within the television industry itself (it has been referenced on several television shows and many cast and crew have been known to post in its forums) and its very detailed recaps are written by professional, paid writers. If TV.com is considered legitimate, TWOP should definitely deserve a link. —] <sup>]</sup> 04:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

	==clothing==

	Is it really neccessary to go into detail on what Sam and Dean wear?
	: *I don't think so. There is way too much of Dean's article that goes into every little bit of What Dean weras, and use to wear. A bit much. ] 22:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Syri

	*

	== When citations are necessary ==

	I've just removed several citations that were either unneeded or weren't clear in what they were referencing. If it was shown on the show itself (such as the license plate number or the fact that the car has been "featured prominently") there is no need to cite that information. If this is information you would not get from watching the show or the DVDs, then it should be cited. See ] for more on this. —] <sup>]</sup> 04:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

	== Metallicar ==

	Would "Metallicar" really be considered a neologism? (I see that the reference to it was removed as such.) It is a name, not a word, and its use is nearly universal among fans. It would be one thing to refer to the Impala directly as "Metallicar" in the article, but I think simply noting that this is how the car is referred to in the Supernatural community would not be out of bounds. —] <sup>]</sup> 06:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
	:A noun is still a word; in this instance it's a word invented by a fandom. The problem is that the use of a neologism like Metallicar skirt the bounds of notability. Wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and you're going to have a hard time finding reliable sources supporting the usage of Metallicar beyond Supernatural fandom (and particularly one that doesn't count as ]) until someone like Eric Kripke defines it. Remember that the information in the Supernatural articles are generally verifiable through primary sources: interviews or the show itself. Metallicar is just some made up word on the Internet with nothing backing it up for inclusion in an encyclopedia. I understand that fans fill pretty strongly about things like that, but things like "Metallicar" are really the domain of fan sites like , which ''is'' linked from the Supernatural article. - ] 00:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
	:: Fair enough. :) —] <sup>]</sup> 00:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	A new noticeboard, ], has been created. - ] 18:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

	: This noticeboard has been deleted per ]. Please disregard the above post. ~ ] ] 11:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

	== Spoilers under Plot ==

	Perhaps there should be a warning for spoilers concerning the 'Plot' section on this wikipage.
	Obiously, everybody knows there will be spoilers, but it doesn't hurt to have a blatant sign
	advertising it. I know I surprised myself when I saw that a succinct 2 paragraph spoiler was
	at the end, wrapping up the last two episodes.

	This isn't a problem, however! I have nothing against spoilers!
	It's just that with the season finale 3 weeks away, and seeing as how I live in Australia and
	am a sentimental fool, I thought I'd save myself the big wow and surprise for the initial
	Australian screening :/

	I wouldn't have mentioned it if I knew how to do it myself, but seeing as how I don't,
	I was hoping somebody would kindly assist me with it? Or if people oppose it, some response would
	be nice too :]

	Thanks!

	i think its funny how sam is taller thatn dean when he is the oldest



	== Season 3 ==
	Thursdays 9.00pm on the CW. (USA)

	Sundays 9.15pm on ITV2. (UK)

	-- ] 21:04, 12 February 2008 (GMT)

	== Article name biased? ==

	It seems to me the name of this article is a little bit biased towards American audiences. After all the other ] TV series clearly indicates in its title that it was a series from the UK, even though it was made 30 years before this Supernatural and by age should be called the Supernatural TV series. I don't have anything against this show and I appreciate it is very popular in some countries, but I think calling it Supernatural (US TV series) would be keeping Misplaced Pages's NPOV. ] 16:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
	:The US Supernatural is the more well known out of the two TV series, so therefore should take precendence.--] 17:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

	== Title Card ==

	Since season 3 has a new blue one, should the title card here be changed, i can get the image, but im not too good at fair use, so if we decide to use a new one, jsut contact me and i can e-mail one to someone who knows how to do a good fair use. ''']''' ''']''' 03:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

	== Funding ==

	Where do Dean and Sam and the other paranormal hunters get their money from. They travel alot, stay at motels, eat out, and need to resupply for gas, ammo, weapons, and ingredients. So, any idea where the money comes from. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	I think at the start of season 1 they mention that they have fake credit cards for their money needs. I'm not %100 on this but it seems correct. ] 11:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
	:They fabricate credit cards. And they cheat at pool. -- ] (]) 16:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

	==Supernatural Wiki==

	this is a great site where you can get alot of information on the show... you can even add your own knowledge and make a profile for yourself, its really cool...
	here is the link: http://supernaturalfanwiki.wetpaint.com/ <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


	==New series regulars==

	I would like to call attention to the vandalism of the article that has been occurring. Everyone knows there has been a great deal of controversy among fans regarding the addition of two new series regulars to the cast. But Misplaced Pages is a site for factual information, not opinion, and the fact is that Lauren Cohen and Katie Cassidy are officially series regulars, contracted as such (which separates them from recurring performers such as Jim Beaver and Nicky Aycox). Someone persists in deleting Cohen and Cassidy completely from the article. Before it becomes an administration issue and people start getting blocked, I hope that reason will prevail. The article should list who is a series regular, not who should or shouldn't be. ] (]) 07:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
	:Yes. Whoever it is, please stop removing them. Even if you don't agree with the change, they are credited on-screen as stars and thus must be in that section. ] (]) 00:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

	:But they are not. According to the cw page on the show under "Stars", they are not considered main charachters. Only sam and Dean are. They are just considered recurring ones, therefore they should be calssified as 'supporting"
	::On-screen, they are credited as stars along with Jared and Jensen. The "Guest Starring" section follows after they have been named. Watch any of the episodes with the actresses. ] (]) 07:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::But just because they star in a few episodes, that does not make them main charachters of the show. They are not classified as main charachters according to the cw, therefore should not be here either. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::::Whether a tv station believes they are main characters is irrelevant. The two are credited in their episodes and stars, meaning that the writers/producers feel that they are important enough to do so. They are credited on-screen as stars, and thus must be classified as stars. BTW, if you look at the CW site (such as the plot info), it hasn't been updated since at the latest season 2. ] (]) 07:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Im not sure if you were at the same site, but it was redily apparent from the main page from the show that it was updated. If it wasnt, Ruby and Bella wouldnt be in the cast photo. And id say the cw's opinion does count as to if thery are main charachters, seeing as it is their show. they are the ones that decide overal weather they are main charachters or not. Staring in a few episodes does not mean they are main charachters. Considering that they are not listed as such on the site, they should not be here, and I will continue to edit the page to reflect this.
	::::::Lol. A tv station does not determine who is or is not a main character. The writers/producers do, and they have shown their opinion by crediting them as stars. ] (]) 07:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::It does if the tv station is the one running the the show. (Hell, Bella was the station's president's idea in the first place) The catagory is main charachters, not show stars, so as long as the cw doesnt consider them main charachters, they should not be lissted as such. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:::::::I changed the section to "Stars". Problem solved. ] (]) 07:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Isnt it a bit misleasding however. Main charachters might be a bit clearer for providing factual information. They might assume that just because they get the same billing, they are at the same cast status. Main charachters make more sence. admit it, you are just doing this because you like the new charachters.
	On another note, John should be listed as a main chatachter in the template (not the page) becuase he is the main charachter in the comic.
	<small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	It's not misleading. It gives that they're only in season 3. Personally I could care less whether they're credited as guest star or star, but whether we like it or not, the producers credited them as such. Because of this, they cannot be put in the Supporting Cast, so changing the section to Stars is the only compromise that satisfies the criteria. ] (]) 08:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	:Thats why having he catagorioes "main charachters" and "supporting" chjarachters makes more sence. It gives the reader information about the hierarcy of the cast while telling the viewer that they were on the show as supporting charachters
	::But they're not supporting characters. As the producers have made them stars, they are arguably main characters. It's easier and more accurate to have a Stars section.] (]) 08:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::But with my way, its easier for the uninformed reader to determine who is a main charachter, and who is just starring in a few epeisodes. And since they are not listed as main charachters according to the cw, they dont belong there. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	I have an idea to resolve this. How about Jared and Jensen are Main Characters, Lauren and Katie are Supporting Characters, and the current Supporting Characters be moved to Recurring Characters (with current recurring list being shortened to actual recurring characters and not just people making two appearances like Ava Wilson)? ] (]) 08:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
	::I guess that is a good compromise for now. But after this season when the girls are fired (which there is a good chance of) they should go back into secondary charachters. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	* article has an interview with Kripke, I draw your attention to Kripke's third answer, to the question '''What specific misconceptions about the upcoming season would you like to clear up?''', in it he states the girls, Ruby and Bela are ''recurring regulars'' and because of this their contract at ''tops, puts them in 12 out of 22 episodes. That's tops.'' this suggests to me that the article should be changed to reflect this, they should go in with the recurring characters and at least should be removed from the info box. In the article Kripke also talks about Jo, while he doesn't say clearly that the character is not returning it makes it pretty clear to me that she is not, combine that with the fact that Alona Tal is a full cast member of ] on another Network it is unlikely she will return in the near future, it is easier to close her dates as they can always be changed, at present both Mary and Jessica's characters have closed dates yet they have both appeared since they have died, this is Supernatural they can always pop up, my point is the dates can be changed but should reflect the current status. Thoughts?. ] (]) 06:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
	::That is why Ruby and Bela are listed under Supporting characters.] (]) 20:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
	::Even if they're "recuring regulars", they're are still regulars and billed as stars. ] (]) 13:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


	::At this juncture, I would like to respectfully point out that cries of 'vandalism' by people editing this page to reflect what they believe to be the correct formulation and terms for the actors involved in this show, are not only somewhat condescending, but false. ANYONE is allowed to edit a wiki page in good faith. Just because they don't agree with the two or three people who seem to believe the have the only 'correct' opinion about the classification of the actors, does not make them 'wrong' nor does it make them 'vandals'. The creator of this show has very clearly and very specifically referred to the actor categories as recurring and guest. There are no supporting characters in this show, no matter how you twist or turn it. Continually adding that category, is just as wrong as those who insist on the correct designation as recurring characters.(] (]) 08:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC))
	:::Ruby and Bela aren't mere recurring characters, so they either go in Supporting Characters or in the Main Characters category. ] (]) 18:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
	-Perhaps you missede the part ion Kripke's interview when he called them "RECURRING" characters. Thats really all they are. Just starred in a few episodes, and will most likley be gone by next year. No different from any of the other guests the show has had. They are not, nor will they ever be on the same cast status as Dean and Sam. They only reason they are billed in the opening credits is becuase of a cluase in thier contract


	In relation to Ruby, she is shown in the character list, and there is a link to the page on the actress that plays her, but there is no link to the page on Ruby, despite the fact that there is at the bottom. It seems a little odd to me that she is an active character with a page, yet she is the only one without a link to her page. Can someone add it in please? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	In regards to Lilith, the new villian, she should not be listed as a supporting charachter with Ruby and Bella. The actress is not contracted, therefore is not a supporting character with those two. It is doubtful that she will appear more than Azezal did, so she should be put into the same catagory as him. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Katie and Lauren should not be on the cast list in the main info box. for one, Lauren is gone. for another, that box should be reserved for main charachters only (and we estbalished months ago that they are not main charachters on the same level of Jenson and Jared), so they do not belong there <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:They are still stars for season 3, and thus belong in the infobox. ] (]) 06:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

	::We had this talk months ago. And it was established that while they are contracted, they are not stars. Definatly not main charachters on the same level of Sam and Dean. Plus, season 3 is over. They do not belong in the infobox. Also, since Bella is gone, she should be taken off the supporting charachters classification and moved to recurring. Id also like to reccomend that Azezal be meved up from recurring guest to recurring charachter. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:::Uh... we never established that. Anyways, even though season 3 is over, they were still stars at one point, so belong in the infobox. As well, Bela still belongs in supporting character, as she is a supporting character in season 3. ] (]) 08:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::: Uh, yes we did. In fact, the reason that you created the supporting charachter area was becuase you agreed that they were not main charachters. If they are not main charachters, they do not belong in the info box, and i will continue to update the page to reflect that.Especially Lauren, cause she is gone forever. Look at any other inforbox for a current tv show and any former castmember will not be on thier. Also, Lauren is no longer a supporting charachter, so like John was, she should be demoted to recurring.
	:::::No, we changed them to supporting because, although they are not main characters, they are still stars. This is similar to the ] page. BTW, if other TV shows don't supply all cast members in the infobox, can you please supply me with some examples? ], ], and Heroes (tv series) give every cast member. I can't think of any show that I've seen that only does current members. ] (]) 04:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::::The only show out of all of those that I watch is Lost, and i can tell you that they list every MAIN CHARACTER, but not every star. You dont see the actor that plays Jack's Dad or Daniel Farraday in that box even though they are pretty much in most episodes. Becuase they are not main charachters.
	:Jack's dad is in 12 episodes out of the entire series... As for Daniel Faraday, he is played by Jeremy Davies, who '''''is''''' included in the infobox. ] (]) 20:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
	::And Ruby and Bella are in 6. Listen man, i get what you are saying. but they are not main charachters. They dont deserve to be there. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:::They may not be main characters, but as said countless times, '''they are credited onscreen as stars'''. Hence, they go under the "Starring" category. It's as simple as that. ] (]) 22:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::But the CW website doesnt have them listed as stars. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:The CW is a TV station... The show itself, what this article is based on, credits them onscreen as stars. Your opinion on their level of importance doesn't matter. As for your argument about them only being in six episodes, the article page for Lost (a featured article) lists the actors for Nikki and Paulo under the Starring category, despite them only starring in six episodes. ] (]) 22:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

	Would it be possible to clean up the character listings in the infobox in general? Classifying them by their status based on number of appearances seems to be getting messy, both in the box itself and in determining who fits what description. Maybe Antagonists and Allies/Hunters, or some similar? ] (]) 10:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I'm changing it to '''Main Characters''' and '''Secondary Characters'''. I think that is an obvious solution. ] ] 22:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Im gonna further divide the seconday charachter section into subcatagories

	== References ==

	This is a huge article now yet it still has only 6 references, to me that's a shockingly small amount. People really need to reference where they are getting the info from. I also urge some people who are currently very actively editing the article to try and search for references that back up material already in the article. ] (]) 18:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

	== Reception ==

	The reception is entirely unsourced. What is the source used to gather that information? '''] ]''' 20:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

	I'd like to submit to be added. It's a great site and the top fansite on the web for the show. It's a great resource for those people looking for screencaps, episode information, spoilers, and a ton of other stuff.

	== Supernatural External Site ==

	I'd like to submit to be added. It's a great site and the top fansite on the web for the show. It's a great resource for those people looking for screencaps,news on the series, episode information, spoilers, and a ton of other stuff. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Fansites generally arent allowed. Use ] to determine worth. And what source do you have to support "''the top fansite on the web for the show''"? ]'s ] 01:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

	It's the highest rated fansite on Google, plus the networks do tons of giveaways through the site including dvd sets, autographed scripts, etc... <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:I doubt google is a source, and the network doing giveaways through a popular site is not uncommon. ]'s ] 20:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

	== Possible tie-ins addition ==

	In the episode Blood Lust, when the two brothers go to that sheriff's office to investigate, the sheriff asks them what newspaper they're from. After Dean stutters with "World Weekly News" Sam corrects him with "Weekly World News". Just wondering if that should be added or not. ] <small>—Preceding ] was added at 22:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Its trivial. ]'s ] 00:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

	== Character Infoboxes ==

	Currently there is a loose color scheme appearing on the various cheracter and item pages. All the boxes have Black as the background, and the following text colors:

	White Text: The Winchester brothers and their close allies... ], ], ], ], ]

	Yellow Text: Those who are not "constant allies or enemies... ], ], ], ]

	Red Text: Those who are definitive enemies... ], ], ]

	Violet Text: Those who are important cheracters, but does not fit in the other categories...
	], ], ]

	Green Text: Items important to the series... ], ], ], ], ]

	Does anyone know of a better classification? Or if all text color should be standardized to just one color? ] (]) 08:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


	Also regarding the infoboxes- it seems to make more sense to me to change "Cause/Reason" to, "Cause of Death", and maybe possibly also have it come directly after the character's date of death in the lower character infobox. Any objections? ] (]) 10:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

	== Plot ==

	I condensed the plot section down to one paragraph. The plot section was the majority of the article, which is not allowed. It is also in an out-of-universe style. Make your complaints known. ] ] 22:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

	:If more details are needed, there are episode descriptions at the list of episodes. Two or three paragraphs would probably be okay here, but this looks like an improvement to me. —''']''' (]) 03:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

	::That's what I figured. But it is also a "villain-of-the-week" style show which means that there are not many important details that were left out. ] ] 03:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

	== Reorganizing/deleting minor characters ==

	Not sure if this is the right place to discuss, but I propose that the character pages for minor characters such as Ava, Jessica, Meg, etc. be deleted. They really aren't significant enough to get their own pages, IMO. Or maybe a better way would be to combine all of their pages into pages such as "Hunter Characters from Supernatural" or "Demonic Characters from Supernatural". In my opinion, the cast section is really cluttered with minor characters and should just list the main and recurring characters, with a link to the aforementioned group character pages for the rest. ] (]) 21:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

	::You can make a case for deleting the Ava and Jessica Pages, in fact if Andy isnt listed as charachter then neither should Ava. But Meg is a central charachter to the first season and isnt even dead yet. She should have her own page. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Streaming Statistics

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Is it possible to include the show's streaming performance under "Impact"? Either under ratings or on its own subcategory. The show has been in the top 10 most streamed shows in the USA for 2020 and 2021 according to Nielsen. It's the highest genre show in 2020 for both original and acquired shows combined, and 2nd highest genre show in 2021 when you combine both original and acquired shows. It ranked top 7 on both years overall. As per the following sources:

I think it's a significant achievement for the show and needs to be included. Especially since streaming is a significant portion of viewership these days. The show has gone on long enough to have gone from linear broadcast ratings to also experience streaming ratings. Thank you. --FTWinchester (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Done. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Can we add its 2022 rank? It's 11th on Overall (Original+Acquired) charts, and 8th on Acquired charts for the entirety of 2022. Source: https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/stranger-things-most-streamed-tv-show-2022-1235503095/

Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Can we add an update for the 2023 statistics please? It tied with 'Heartland' with 22.8 billion views in the 9/10th place for overall shows, also an increase from its total views from last year. Thank you FTWinchester (talk) 20:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to add the source: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/

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Following up on my above request to update 2023 statistics. I also forgot to witch the edit request status. FTWinchester (talk) 01:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Done Jamedeus (talk) 23:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi,

In the sidebar under “starring,” please add Jim Beaver, who played Bobby Singer on the show. Taylorjrenee5 (talk) 05:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Jim Beaver was never a "starring" cast member, he was credited as a guest star. He is a notable character, but was never part of the main cast. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh okay. Got it and thank you! Taylorjrenee5 (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Supernatural: Then and Now

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Supernatural: Then and Now is an American based podcast hosted by Rob Benedict and Richard Speight Jr.. The first episode, in which Speight and Benedict interview Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, was released on 24 January 2022.

The podcast consists of the two hosts watching episodes from the tv show Supernatural, while interviewing the cast and crew that made the 15 season show possible. Guests have included Jensen Ackles (Dean Winchester), Jared Padalecki (Sam Winchester) and Robert Singer (Executive Producer) .

Each episode features Rob and Rich recapping the episode before inviting one or more guests to discuss what happened in the episode as well as background information pertaining to the series, such as casting processes or amusing moments from set. At the end of each season of the show, the hosts publish a wrap-up of the season they have just finished, sharing favourite moments from the season, as well as plans for the consecutive season.

The podcast releases episodes every Monday, and plans to continue through the 15 seasons of the show. It is sponsored by BetterHelp and produced by Story Mill Media. Episode lengths range from 30 - 65 minutes. Whats.Your.Concern (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Filming location

Hey, is it me or would this be technically a Canadian-American because it was mostly filmed in Canada especially in British Columbia so shouldn't this show be labeled as a Canadian-American show Sleazydudeeee (talk) 02:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope, as filming location does not equate country of origin. Plenty of American-produced shows film in Canada or Europe. It's solely American because it's produced by American production companies (primarily Warner Bros. Television Studios and Wonderland Sound and Vision) for American television networks (The WB/The CW). Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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