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== About {{User|Firefly322}} and other topics ==

Hrafn, we need you back. Firefly's attitude and personal attacks were addressed recently, and he was blocked for an extended period of time. I assume any further signs of bad faith or personal attacks or uncivil behavior will result in a very long time-out. I have been watching new articles, and if I see ones from him, I review them for NPOV and writing. Not to get off on a tangent, but his writing skills are not at the level that I would expect. Other members who have supported him have also been warned and/or blocked.

We can deal with the POV warriors. We can deal with bad writing. But you watched over the arcane articles that need watching. Last night I dealt with a series of sockpuppets in a situation where you would have been helpful. You need to come back so that information people read here is sufficiently balanced to make this a world class operation. Yes, there are problems. I deal with it in my own manner, mostly writing great articles, and taking the time to make sure all civil and uncivil POV warriors are blocked. People are tiring of their behavior.

It's time to come back. Sorry that I removed your redirect, and you can, of course, put it back, but this is the place to leave you a message. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:OM: Firefly was always the least of my headaches -- far more abrasive to my ability to edit harmoniously and effectively were Catherineyronwode, Madman2001 & other like-minded anti-] editors who, from the comments on the former's talkpage since my departure, are entirely unrepentant in their efforts to edit-war and abuse other editors in their efforts to retain un-/poorly-substantiated material. I'm not ''completely'' ruling out coming back at some stage -- but at this stage I cannot see doing so as anything other than counter-productive (and opening myself up for ''another'' shitload of unnecessary stress). <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 17:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::Good to see you about, albeit briefly, Hrafn. While any work you care to do will be greatly appreciated, you're right to put personal well-being ahead of the stress and nonsense that comes too easily with arguments here. If you do feel like popping in at some stage, keep in touch and I'll be glad to try to make thinks work out more smoothly. Just my clumsy thoughts. All the best, anyway. . . ], ] 22:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Hrafn, my point wasn't that Firefly was blocked, it was that his type of behavior can be handled swiftly and easily. I wish you were back. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::::OM: Firefly was always the most volatile of that pack, so both the one most likely to get themself blocked (and I in fact predicted, on my way out the door, that his/her hysterics would result in such an eventuality), and the one easiest to shrug off. The others, to a varying degree, at least attempt to assume a superficial semblance of reasonableness and avoid being such a ], making them harder to corral. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 10:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

==Semi-retired==
As of December 2008, I'm altering my status to "Semi-retired" in order to:
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== Welcome back :) ==

Good to see you again Hrafn! And since you are back, I was wondering if you could answer a question of mine regarding YEC/flood geology. Do the YECers believe that '''all''' prehistoric animals died in the flood? I'm wondering specifically about those carboniferous mega-insects like the ] which couldn't survive in the comparatively lower oxygen atmosphere in which more modern forms of life evolved. I'm wondering how they can possibly explain that. ] (]) 18:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

::AE: my suspicion would be that most do, but that a fringe have even more batty explanations (the devil put the fossils in the ground to cause doubts in the Bible, etc), and that at least some of the non-fringe will probably be sufficiently vague, equivocal (or simply not have gotten around to announcing an official position) that you can't pin them down. If ICR, CRS & AiG all say "all", you could probably state that "all major YEC organisations say all", but that's the best that you're likely to get. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 01:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


:From all your loyal meatpuppets, stalkers, and ne'er-do-wells, what AE said!!!! ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes welcome back indeed. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''<font color="Black">]</font>'''<font color="silver">]</font></span>] 21:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

:Season's Greetings and Welcome Back! Nice article on ], now this "law of abiogenesis" is annoying me and the only decent source I've found is Talk.Origins Archive Claim CB000, which attributes it to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1985. These cdesign proponentsists are really up to date! Unfortunately Talk.Origins Archive seems to be offline today so I've been looking at the google cache. Will try again, good to see your work again :) . ], ] 21:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


::I noticed. I had intended using their Creationist Claims list to cover weaknesses not already covered in wikipedia articles, but I likewise can't access it. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 01:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC) I have again had my nose rubbed in just how unhealthy the frustration that Misplaced Pages editing causes me is. I am therefore taking another wikibreak, quite possibly a permanent (or at the very least semi-permanent) one. <span style="font-family:Antiqua, serif;">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''<sup>(''']''')</sup></span> 07:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: gives a useful link to and says "Note that the TO URL is a temporary stopgap while a problem with the main TO server is being worked on." The articles about by a representative of the San Antonio Bible Based Sciences Association, don't know if you used that reference but it appears relevant. There's a good article by Wilkins on Spontaneous Generation and the Origin of Life, should get you there. That covers the abiogenesis issue well, and could be cited for significant improvements in the ] article as well as on this page. I've got my hands full with trying to sort out Darwin's early contacts with Malthusianism, will try to help out with these articles as needed. Thanks, . ], ] 10:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thanks Dave. I've now cited the two outstanding rebuttals to this alternate domain. Yes, I've already included the SABBSA article. I am including the Wilkins article in 'Further reading' <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 11:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


I am adding this post-dated comment so that the bot does not archive this -- ensuring that it stays to remind me. <span style="font-family:Antiqua, serif;">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''<sup>(''']''')</sup></span> 07:39, 24 May 3012 (UTC)
::: Good to see you back :) ] <small>]</small> 08:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Agree wiht above, welcome back!.--]] 16:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


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African or European? ] (]) 10:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Your explanation is neither simple nor demonstrable. In fact both sourced conventions are flowery nonsenses, making a rational "distinction" impossible. On an "outstretched arm" the plane of the ring will be perpendicular to the arm -- so the insignia can neither face to nor away from the wearer. Which crest is "closest to the heart" is entirely arbitrary based on the position of the hand at any given time. It is likewise unclear how left vs right affects this nonsense (and would appear to be ] besides having an impenetrable relationship to the sourced conventions). Insignia can be worn either on the knuckle side, the palm side (or conceivable part way between) -- they can no more be worn pointing to the heart/wearer-outstretched/outward-outstretched than they can be worn in such a way that they (always) face Mecca. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub>''</font> 13:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


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