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== Criticism of Barack Obama subpage ==
You deleted a subpage article that is currently being discussed, citing your own POV assessment of what that article contains, characterizing such in a particularly POV way, and not having participated or given regard to discussion at ]. Restore it now. Thanks. -]] 20:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:As I mentioned on your talk page, the proper forum to review whether the deletion was appropriate is ]. Feel free to take the page there, and please let me know so I can watchlist the discussion. I'm always ready to learn if I've done something wrong. - Dan ] (])


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:You appear to have certain opinions about the value of that particular subpage draft. You might also have similar opinions about the creation of such subpages, the usage of templates transclusion to aid article development, and the motivations of the creator. All of them are certainly valid opinions, in the context of discussion. To simply delete something outright requires more than rationale; it requires that such rational be accurate and have the support of other editors. We are discussing that issue now, and your deletion only serves to destroy and stigmatize that strange process of discussion first, delete after. You made some charachterizations on the Talk:Obama page, not rationales. Restore it, and join the discussion. -]] 20:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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::As I said at ]: To quote ]: "Summary deletion in part or whole is relevant when the page contains unsourced negative material or is disparaging and written non-neutrally, and when this cannot readily be repaired or replaced to an acceptable standard." To quote ]: "An attack page is a Misplaced Pages article, page, template, category, redirect or image that exists primarily to disparage its subject. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, these pages are subject to being deleted by any administrator at any time." I have speedily deleted this page, and since it's already been speedily deleted under this and another name 6 times now, I have salted it (protected against recreation) for 1 month. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. This is perhaps the one policy that the Wikimedia Foundation feels the most strongly about, since Misplaced Pages is subject to the same laws on defamation that everyone else in the U.S. is. As always, I could be wrong, and if so, the place to contest this is ]. - Dan ] (]) 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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::That's the policy; now a personal note. I know that it's easy to feel "slapped down" when someone comes along and deletes an article you've put some work into. I didn't delete the article because there's anything wrong with your work, and Misplaced Pages does sometimes divide up biographical articles among separate pages, and some of the pages will slant in one direction while other pages slant in another direction. Keeping everything balanced is hard work, and I wish you the best of luck with making the points you'd like to make. But our policy is to delete pages which exist to disparage their subjects immediately; you can then continue your discussion in the obvious place, the talk page of ], and if you can gain consensus to divide up the information among separate pages in the way you like, then you can proceed. Happy editing. - Dan ] (]) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
*Hello Dank55. As an admin, can you userfy the last version of the article for me so I can continue to work on it, or point me to an editor who can? Thanks. ] (]) 20:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
*: I'm sorry, userfication is suggested by our policy for certain types of deleted pages, but not when a page is deleted because it's created to disparage its subject. I'm guessing the reason for that is that userpages are indexed, which means the potentially defamatory material would immediately wind up on search engines and mirrors. - Dan ] (]) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
*::Pages can be explicitly {{tl|NOINDEX}}'d, but I still don't think userification is appropriate here. ] (]) 21:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Criticism of BLP ==

I see that your policy is to immediately delete pages which exist only to disparage their subject. This is great news. Please delete "criticism of George W. Bush". ] (]) 00:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:That page was created after consensus on the article's talk page to split the issues up among separate pages. ] was created without any prior consensus, for the purpose of disparaging the article's subject (and at least two other people). See the policy quoted above; such pages are subject to instant deletion. - Dan ] (]) 00:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::It's hypocrisy, and your bias is ruining Misplaced Pages. There is enough criticism of Barack Obama which has been documented by varied, notable sources to produce such a page. ] (]) 01:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::The place to argue for retention of the page is at the deletion review at ]. If I'm being hypocritical, they'll catch it. You're welcome to weigh in. - Dan ] (]) 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

I'm sorry, I couldn't find any copyright violation on the indicated page. Another page, perhaps? - Dan ] (]) 18:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:No, that page... if you copy any portion of text from that page into Google, it already appears on page and others. For examples, see , and . <font color="#A20846">╟─]]►]─╢</font> 18:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::PS:- shall I restore the speedy-tag, or will you deal with it yourself? Thanks :-) <font color="#A20846">╟─]]►]─╢</font> 18:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Julian just deleted as spam. - Dan ] (]) 19:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::{{done}} &ndash;] ] ] 19:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

U.S. federal govt text is all public domain, so no copyvio; declining speedy deletion, adding {{tl|StateDept}}, taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 20:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

A judgment call, but I prefer not to db-spam nonprofit organizations where I think there's a chance of notability in cases where I think we're likely to get a bite either from a deletion sort cat (see the AfD if you don't know what that means) or from a wikiproject, so I'm declining the speedy, notifying ], and taking it to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 21:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
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:Cue fingerclapping! Thanks! - Dan ] (]) 04:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. It's so cute! - Dan ] (]) 15:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Could you '''please''' explain how my article on Florcello submitted 03/16/09 is considered "blatent advertising"? How could it possibly be written in a more unbiased fashion ? I want to learn. Please take a look a the articles for Tuaca, Liquor Fogg, Sabra... If these articles are acceptable, please advise how I am offending the Wiki rules.--] (]) 23:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:Giving the link here for admins who might want to look: ]. The first reason I gave was actually what we call ] or "db-notability". We don't have articles about 99.999% of existing products; there has to be some significant record in journals, books, newspapers etc. that indicate that a variety of people believe the product is a fixture in our culture, something worth talking and writing about; this is a concept we call ] on Misplaced Pages. Generally, a product has to be widely deployed before it even has a shot at notability. I did a Google search, there weren't a lot of hits, and none of the hits suggested that someone was mentioning your product in something we consider a ] in a way that would establish notability. One admin had deleted your article as "spam" and another person had tagged it as "spam", and I believe they meant more or less the same thing. I personally don't care for the text "blatant advertising", because I don't think that's applicable even in most cases where we use that tag, but wiser people than me have decided that that's the tone they prefer. - Dan ] (]) 00:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Declining db-spam since the article has been around a couple of years; Google hits suggest the candy might have entered popular culture sufficiently, but I can't tell. Taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 04:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

I'm really out of my element here, but this doesn't feel spammy to me. Taking to AfD to address notability. - Dan ] (]) 04:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

well, as the author of this, you should consider that there is barely any other information on this area in the[REDACTED] and that this event is set to grow in the coming years to become a major tourist attraction in the area. I decided to include it because it is cultural, historical and also unique.] (]) 14:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)chrissato

:Okay, I'll copy this comment to ], the page where people will discuss for 5 days whether to delete the article or not; I don't participate in that discussion, usually. At the moment, it looks they want to keep it, but the article needs some work. - Dan ] (]) 14:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Not overly promotional, but notability is in question. Removing from db-spam, taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 04:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

I prefer not to speedy for db-spam when an article has been around for this long; also when it's at AfD. I'll add some links to the AfD. - Dan ] (]) 05:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Declining speedy as db-spam. Article has been around for a while, edited by several admins, 3 references from reliable sources. - Dan ] (]) 05:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around for 2 years, admins have worked on it, lots of Google hits. I'll pare back some of the promotionalism. - Dan ] (]) 05:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

There's more or less consensus that articles on schools deserve at least a 5-day discussion; declining speedy db-spam deletion; taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 05:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it was only A7 that didn't apply to Schools. ] 12:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::It's true that A7 (db-notability) doesn't apply to schools. But read ]; so far, when I've asked about speedy-deleting schools, other admins have said that they read that the same way ... it's hard to tell in advance whether people will decide to keep or delete a given school, so it's better to have the 5-day discussion than to try to make the call yourself. There are probably exceptions ... certainly copyvios should be speedied, and I think if the school article comes off as some kind of really slick sales pitch, and I can't find evidence of notability on Google, I'd probably be willing to delete as spam. - Dan ] (]) 14:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around 1.5 years, and it's not promotional, but there are ] concerns, and no references. Taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 05:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Declining speedy; article has been around 2 years, tone not overly promotional. Lots of ghits but no refs. Adding {{tl|notability}}. - Dan ] (]) 06:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

I read ] to say that decisions on schools are hard and they shouldn't be speedied, so removing from db-spam queue and taking to AfD. - Dan ] (]) 06:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, not aware that education establishments are not normally speedied. Have given it a weak keep as amended on AFD.--] (]) 07:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's what I'm generally hearing, although there are probably exceptions. - Dan ] (]) 07:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

I could only find one paragraph that was a copyvio at the given url, or any of the menu options from that page. I deleted the copyvio paragraph and declined the speedy. - Dan ] (]) 07:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Deletion of ] ==

Hey, I noticed that you deleted ] under A7. I was under the impression that A7 couldn't be used for a product. I therefore tagged it G11. Is my understanding incorrect? <tt>]</tt> (]) 07:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:Absolutely right. I couldn't sleep last night, so I was doing CSD work at 3 a.m. ... not going to do that again, I see I also AfD'd an article without checking for notability, too. Gah! - Dan ] (]) 14:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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