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== Movement Charter Drafting Committee's monthly newsletter ==
== French communes ==


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Hello Xeno, i was just wondering if that French communes thing (you know, the task you entitled Xenobot6 with) has been completed now, because i haven't been paying attention to it since you took over. Have a nice day, --] (]) 16:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
'''Updates:'''
:I sought further consensus and it seems that consensus for the edits are on shaky ground (see ] and its related subthreads). Need further input for the present case, I requested it at ]. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 16:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
* ''']''': The Movement Charter Drafting Committee recently held the first conversations regarding the ]. The MCDC has received valuable feedback from different communities and the Committees during the community input period. The report of the community input will be shared in May, while the updated version of the ratification methodology will be presented between September and November 2023.
::Hm, looking at it it appears that the other editors don't realize the real nature of the problem. Ksnow has added a sentence "based on the article in French Misplaced Pages" (something like this) without actually checking if it was actually true. This is what made me doubt of her reliability - she seems to have assumed that '''any article''' on a French subject was '''automatically''' based on the French version of the article. The point is, she added according to the principle "when in doubt, add", so what i am asking for is "when in doubt, remove". I didn't think it would be so complicated. As far is i know, nobody has yet bothered to check if any of the 21.000 articles was indeed based on French Misplaced Pages! Cheers, --] (]) 16:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
* '''Communication evaluation''': The Communications sub-committee of the MCDC together with the support staff conducted an evaluation of the communications. The Communications sub-committee appreciates the time and input of the community members who shared their opinions during the interviews. Several recommendations are going to be implemented in the upcoming period based on the valuable input.
:::Yes, I am cautious about running a bot where human judgment may be required though. But if this is the will of FRCOM (to mass-remove) I will run it. They've also made some suggestion to pull INSEE data from the infobox and put it into the INSEE ref, but that's probably beyond my limited expertise. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
* ''']''': The MCDC continues to draft additional chapters: The Global Council, Hubs, Decision-making and Roles & Responsibilities. Alongside the drafting work, the MCDC is planning their in-person meeting scheduled for 2-4 June in Utrecht, Netherlands with the aim of advancing the charter's content.
::::"Human judgment" - would that be to check every article to see if it was based, or not, on French Misplaced Pages? If you recruit an army of interns, you could manage it :-)--] (]) 16:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think the problem here is that (perhaps? I haven't check) some ''small piece'' of information was brought over from fr.wiki. If so, this needs to be noted, either in an edit summary of the history (my choice) or in templated form in the reference section (community seems to tolerate these, I don't like 'em, but what can you do?). Please try to rustle the folks at FRCOM to come to a firm consensus that my bot can proceed upon. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 16:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::I left a note on FRCOM. --] (]) 18:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


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::::::Hi, i checked your bot's work, everything seems okay. Thanks a million! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* Participants of the ] are invited to join a ] on May 20. ] will provide updates, share about the Movement Charter Ambassadors Program and answer the questions.
:::::::No problem. Credit is due to MZMcBride for writing the script =) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 11:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


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Can you clarify ] exactly under what circumstance you added this line to the articles you've edited? –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 22:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::<small>(copied from WT:FRCOM)</small>I am no longer adding this sentence. In fact, I am removing it when it appears. ] (]) 12:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Ksnow
:::So you agree it needs to be removed entirely, rather than replaced a trans template? I can run my bot to do this ''en-masse'', it's received approval already. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes. It was pointed on my talk page that it is not really a valid reference. ] (]) 12:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Ksnow
:::::Thank you. I will proceed on this information. Happy editing, –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


] from the past month (December 2024).


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] '''Guideline and policy news'''
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* Following ], ] was adopted as a ].
== References ==
* A ] is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.
] '''Technical news'''
* The Nuke feature also now ] to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.


] '''Arbitration'''
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* Following the ], the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|CaptainEek}}, {{noping|Daniel}}, {{noping|Elli}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Liz}}, {{noping|Primefac}}, {{noping|ScottishFinnishRadish}}, {{noping|Theleekycauldron}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}.
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:Can either AWB or Pywikipedia do this? –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 14:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::You could certainly write a custom module of a few lines to do it. ] 14:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, if I was a wizard with regex and the like, but I'm not =] If anyone has some spare time, it would really help out the ] project and my bot's edit count! ;> –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 15:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


] '''Miscellaneous'''
Questions:
* A ] is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the ]. ]
# Do you want to remove the ign.fr links?
# What do you want to do when a references section doesn't exist? (])
# What do you want to do when a references section exists with only {{tl|reflist}}? (]) Or if the references section just contains a bulleted list? (])
# Do you want a script that's automatic or requires manual confirmation for each edit?
--] (]) 19:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::1. Yes, IGN needs to go, they used to be good, now they don't have the helpful info they used to.
::2. This will only be run on articles that have the italicized line "Based on the..." and therefore they all have the ref sec (i.e. these edits are icing on the cake to removing the unnecessary line- should've mentioned this)
::3. Per #2.
::4. Automatic, this is an approved task: ] (consensus ]). –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 19:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


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So, the script is written (it was pretty trivial to write), but it uses . So in order to run the script, you need to setup wikitools (which is like pywikipedia, except doesn't suck ;-) There are installers for wikitools available . Once you have it setup, you simply need to go to ], download the files, modify settings.py, and run the script. If you need help, I may be able to provide some, though it usually requires pig's blood and a full moon for me to get Python working, let alone Windows. IRC may be helpful here; I'm lurking about there. --] (]) 03:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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:Ah, new toys! Don't know what I would do without ya, thanks again =) I'll take a look now, but might not start the run until morning (EST). –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 03:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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First, __init__.py (in the wikitools folder) needs to be overwritten with:
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Second, you need to ensure that wikitools and simplejson are installed. Control Panel --> System --> Change settings --> Advanced --> Environment Variables

For "User variables," you need to create PYTHONPATH and set it to wherever the wikitools directory is located (for example, if the wikitools folder is on your Desktop, it would be <tt>C:\Users\MZMcBride\Desktop</tt>

For "System variables," you need to ensure that PATH contains <tt>C:\Python25;C:\Python25\Scripts;</tt> at the beginning of it.

To test whether or not simplejson and wikitools are properly installed, it's pretty easy. Open cmd.exe and type:
python
Which opens Python; run these two commands:
import wikitools
import simplejson
If you get no errors, you're all set. If you do get errors, you gotta figure out what's broken.

If you need to install simplejson, it's really easy&mdash;I just did it in a few seconds. You download and run the installer for setuptools, available and . (You probably have Python 2.5 installed. To check, just go to cmd.exe and run:
python --version

Run the setuptools installer for whichever version of Python you have. Then open cmd.exe and do:
easy_install simplejson
That should install it. If it doesn't recognize the easy_install command, it means your PATH isn't set correctly (make sure it includes <tt>C:\Python25\Scripts;</tt>).

Let me know if you have any further questions. --] (]) 05:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


Another way to do this might be to split the infobox field in two (parser functions probably can't do it) and generate the reference(s) in the infobox. Afterwards, one just needs to add <nowiki><references/></nowiki> (Muro bot). -- User:Docu
:That would certainly future-proof things, but I seem to recall some issue with references being generated in templates (]: ''Template parameters do not pass to <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags'') . –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

::If I recall correctly, an earlier version of ] with named <nowiki><ref></nowiki>-tags worked fine. The main reason I removed them was that it appeared too complex to use. To avoid problems with AWB, it wouldn't allow the named reference created in the infobox the reused elsewhere in the article. Anyways, the INSEE link might just as well be displayed in the infobox. -- User:Docu
:::Might be a good idea, but it would require editing even more articles than is presently planned (every single commune with an INSEE ref). –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 14:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

::::Given the numerous names used for the same or similar fields in the infobox, it might be worth cleaning up all articles anyways. For ], I somehow managed to get consistent values for the name of the department. As most infoboxes come from the fr.wp, one would probably need to check first, if it was sorted out there. -- User:Docu
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:Coding discussion collapsed. Signing so that this section stays up a while longer as the bot is still running. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 15:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

=== UTF-8 woes ===

Make sure you're reading the output file in a text editor that doesn't suck, by the way. I just tested with version 0.5 and in most standard text editors (like the ones that come with the operating system), they don't support UTF-8, so the output looks garbled in them. Or Vista just sucks. --] (]) 02:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Wifey just got home with the little rascal so I don't have time to pay attention to it right now, but the logging isn't that important. What's boggling me is why http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Xenobot/sandbox&oldid=287753571 isn't properly editing articles such as ] (and other communes of ] that have that particular ref). –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 02:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Your search is too restrictive (and the error reporting sucks!):
<source lang="python">
new_text = re.compile(r'''
==*References*==
.*based on the article.*
* {{fr icon}}
* {{en icon}}
* {{en icon}}''', re.I|re.U).sub('''
</source>
That snippet isn't matching because most of the character in there are special characters in regular expressions. You need to either escape each special character (?, ., {, }, , etc.) or make the regex less strict. For example:
<source lang="python">
new_text = re.search(r'''
==*References*==
.*based on the article.*
.*asso.fr.*
.*insee.fr.*
.*www.ign.fr.*'''
</source>
This regex ensures that the links are on the page in specific lines in relation to each other. (Notice how the first line accounts for things like <tt>== References ==</tt> or <tt>==References==</tt>. The other four lines ensure that the text is there, but they have a lot more leeway (.* matching any other characters except newlines) and they avoid nastiness like .

Isn't code writing fun? --] (]) 02:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:It sure is =) Thanks, I'll futz around with this when I get home tonight. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

=== Related complaints :-) ===
Hi again, i see there are still over 13,000 occurences of the sentence as of today, now. I suppose your bot will have finished the job by the end of the week. But look at ], for instance, it seems he has completly skipped the "change INSEE, remove IGN" part there. Is this normal? --] (]) 12:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
And looks like an error to me. Leaving the link to the INSEE '''homepage''' makes no sense, don't you think? Cheers, --] (]) 12:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:In the first example, the bot hasn't visited the page yet. In the second example, there was no INSEE numbers to harvest. I figured something was better than nothing. Someone cleverer than I should design a bot to pull infobox data from fr.wiki and import it to en.wiki... =) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think you should remove the INSEE homepage link altogether. It doesn't help. People who know how to navigate the INSEE page will go there directly, i think. --] (]) 12:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::The problem with that is that some of the pages have {{tl|reflist}} at the bottom as well , and others don't. The bot would need to figure out whether there are <refs> to go with the reflist and if not strip the reflist (this probably isn't impossible, but it would require me to learn a lot of stuff or bug my friend up there^^^ ;). It seems less painful to just leave the INSEE homepage in there (so the articles are not entirely unreferenced/unreferencible), and perhaps someone will do a search to find the proper INSEE number, no? –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You are the boss, boss. --] (]) 12:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Does that make sense though? (Generic ref better than nothing...) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 12:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::(EC) Well, i wouldn't count on "someone" to do this kind of search, because it might be very boring. But then you could be right and someone (maybe ]?) will want to do it after all. You never know. Cheers, ] (]) 12:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== how's My adminning? ==

Yo, I know I am not an admin but the title was weird so I put it in. i am I allowed to steal your 'Hows my adiminning?' and change it to 'how's my editing?' or something along those lines, and also chage the content so it doesn't include adminstative things? ]</font>'''''<font color="#gold">]</font>'''<font color="#black">'</font>''' 13:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sure thing. It would be like a personal ]. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 14:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::So no one else other then admins have one? Oh, what did you do to get the funky textboxes and the small print underneath? Cheers, and if you wish to lok it is located ]; but will only appear in a few minutes ]</font>'''''<font color="#gold">]</font>'''<font color="#black">'</font>''' 15:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm sure some others have similar things... The text boxes are transcluded from ], using {{tl|notice}}, {{tl|caution}} and references in a {{tl|reflist}}. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 15:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So whats a simple low-down on the reflisting thing? I am stupid again to day (like most days then) -) ]</font>'''''<font color="#gold">]</font>'''<font color="#black">'</font>''' 13:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::View the code for ]. See the comments placed inside ref tags and then the reflist in the table. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 13:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Just checking ==

I'm sure you're not using "English" on your templates, but I thought I'd just make sure my edit to {{tl|ISO 639 name}} hasn't mucked anything up. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 20:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, shouldn't be a problem =) <s>Unless someone transwiki's the template to another language 'pedia... Might be a good idea to have a different prefix for "Explicitly cited English".</s> actually, they'll hopefully be diligent enough to fix the english notation, and instead apply the verbiage to their own language. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well let me know if it might be needed for something. If so, we'd have to put the exception in {{tl|lang}} instead. This is all because of a CfD regarding ]! &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 21:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it should be fine. even if the template is modified to also accept iw-ref from other-projects, english is the default when referring to another project anyway. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 21:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

==Splitting external links section ==
Could you explain your motivation for splitting the external links section on ]? It creates an entry in the table of contents for no reason, and for such a small number of external links, seems entirely unnecessary. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 23:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC) <sup>copied from User talk:Green Squares</sup>

:The article is for Canadians, so the links are separated into Canada and Others. This is acceptable to me. ] (]) 10:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

::The article is not necessarily "for Canadians" it is about an event in Canada. Splitting the external links section gives undue weight to Canadian external links, and is also unnecessary because it makes extra room on the table of contents when there are only 10 links in total. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 13:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

==]==
Hi,

There was a page deleted on Gracie Richardson born 31.01.1979 Please can this be emailed to me i was basing some research on her and wrote this page. She was a ballet dancer in NY. Thank you <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:My reply .

== DougsTech ==

Dear Xeno, why did you block DougsTech indefinitely from editing without any discussion? See ]. Have a nice day. ] (]) 16:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:I didn't realize discussion was required to prevent dirsuption to the enyclopedia. Thanks for the note. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 16:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

;AN/I
I've started a discussion of your action with respect to DougsTech on . ] (]) 16:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you for the note. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 16:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Have a little something-something ==

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:heh... thanks. =) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 19:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
*Just when you thought you were about to be trouted... a barnstar shows up on your talk page! I'm not sure whether I agree with the block or not and I have no opinion on the Doug issue, but hell, at least you stood up for what you felt is wrong. Kudos to you. :) ] (]) 20:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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