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	::A very interesting article wothy of FA status soon. However, I'm not clear if the word ] is used in the current context. For example, Rayalaseema and Telangana are terms still used in Andhra Pradesh as geographic areas. Mysore Karnataka, Hyderabad Karnataka etc. are terms still used in Karnataka to refer to distinct vote banks and more importantly, distinct cultures. The article should explain in what context Malwa is used today (if at all used) and must have a few paragraphs on its identity with and distinctiveness from the other regions in ]. --] 09:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)		::A very interesting article wothy of FA status soon. However, I'm not clear if the word ] is used in the current context. For example, Rayalaseema and Telangana are terms still used in Andhra Pradesh as geographic areas. Mysore Karnataka, Hyderabad Karnataka etc. are terms still used in Karnataka to refer to distinct vote banks and more importantly, distinct cultures. The article should explain in what context Malwa is used today (if at all used) and must have a few paragraphs on its identity with and distinctiveness from the other regions in ]. --] 09:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
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	== Almost there ==		== Almost there ==

	Its almost there. Demographics needs to be filled up with figures from the infobox. Images need to be standardised, temperatures need to be added. ] ] 10:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)		Its almost there. Demographics needs to be filled up with figures from the infobox. Images need to be standardised, temperatures need to be added. ] ] 10:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

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			==Malwa mentioned in Edda==
			Here is description of the ] in the religious book of ]- ], which may be of use in the article:

			] has mentioned in his book on History of ] “Jat Itihas” (Hindi) (1934) that the country ] gets its name from ] gotra Jats. The origin of word Asiagh is from Sanskrit word ‘Asi’ meaning sword. According to ] the people who depended on ‘Asi’ (sword) for their living were known as Asiagh. The ]s moved from ] in ] to Europe. Those who settled in ] were called Asiagh and those who moved to ] were known as Asi. Jats entered Scandinavia around ] and their leader was ]. ] considers Odin to be derived from ] or Bodan. The Asi Jats founded ] as their homeland in Scandinavia. The religious book of Scandinavia ‘]’ mentions that the ancient inhabitants of Scandinavia were Jats or Jits who were ] known as Asi people and came to this land from Asirgarh. Asirgarh is a site of an ancient fort situated in ] district of Malwa region in ], ]. Thakur Deshraj further quotes Scandinavian writer Mr Count Johnsturn who says that Scandinavians came from India. According to James Tod Scandinavia is derived from Sanskrit word ‘Skandhnabh’ which was the name of a ].

			It may need further research. ] 08:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

			== Image replacement ==

			If ] could be replaced with a similar picture taken under better lighting conditions, that would be nicer. -- ] 19:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

			==Page move==
			I recommend moving this page to ]. Since ] currently just redirects to this article anyway, there's no reason not to use the simpler title, and a dab page is unnecessary when only two articles are involved. Also, a lot of links have been broken by moving this Featured Article to the new title. -] 13:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			: I agree; this move was a bad call. The vast majority, if not all, links to ] refer to this article, not the Malwa of the Punjab. ] 15:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			::'''Support''' The only significant reference to Malwa on google is about the place in MP. ] 20:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Moved. —]]] ] 09:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

			==Name==
			Malwa is the name in English. Shouldn't there be an IAST transliteration in English after the Devanagari name as "Māļavā" or "Māļawā"? ] 07:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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			{{tl\|WP India}} with ] parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under ] or one of its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the irrelavent categories to the article -- ] <sup> ] </sup> - 13:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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			] → ] — Malwa already redirects here and a discussion about moving this page to simply Malwa was already concluded affirmatively in 2006. The page was moved to Malwa (Madhya Pradesh) after that by a user who is now blocked. ] (]) 22:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Pointless disambiguation. There appears to be only one ''Malwa''. ] (]) 02:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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			== My edit :Pratapgarh from Chittorgarh ==

			I have edited this article by replacing Pratapgarh from because 1. Malwa region was related with southern part of old Chittorgargh district that part has been created as new district Pratapgarh in 2008.that s why it is right to replace as above. ] (]) 10:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Comment by Muwaffaq

Information to be added:

Origin of Name
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Politics Today
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Muwaffaq 4 July 2005 07:18 (UTC)

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Some points:

The lead is too short. It should summarise the topic and should have around 250-300 words. Minimum 2 paragraphs.
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Greek and Sanskrit spellings of Ujjain unnecessary
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Consider including =Transport=
=Demographics= missing.

=Nichalp «Talk»= 07:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

A very interesting article wothy of FA status soon. However, I'm not clear if the word Malwa is used in the current context. For example, Rayalaseema and Telangana are terms still used in Andhra Pradesh as geographic areas. Mysore Karnataka, Hyderabad Karnataka etc. are terms still used in Karnataka to refer to distinct vote banks and more importantly, distinct cultures. The article should explain in what context Malwa is used today (if at all used) and must have a few paragraphs on its identity with and distinctiveness from the other regions in Madhya Pradesh. --Gurubrahma 09:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

It certainly is used, but more in a cultural context rather than a political one. Also, many people (especially elderly people) in these regions still use terms like Malwa, Mewar, Marwar etc rather than modern state names. Some census data, like this one are also issued based on this classification. A few years ago, I also read an (isolated) newspaper report about demand of a separate Malwa state . deeptrivia (talk) 04:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

PS: A google search showed that it's also used in politics. See for example this article. deeptrivia (talk) 04:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Chittorgarh

Chittorgarh is the historic capital of the Mewar region of Rajasthan, and is not generally considered to be part of Malwa. Tom Radulovich 18:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess you're right. Some areas of the present Chittorgarh district lie in the Malwa region, but not the whole of it. Also, borders of kingdoms kept on changing, so it might be hard to get an exact border for these regions based on political history. It's a good idea though to keep Chittorgarh fort out of the tourist places list. I wasn't sure at the first place. deeptrivia 02:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

PS: Tom Radulovich, it would be awesome if you could contribute something to the Economy and Demography sections. deeptrivia 02:09, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

You may want to move the Chittorgarh fort text to Mewar, and start a tourism section for that article. I don't know much at all about the economy or demography of Malwa, but will look into it. Tom Radulovich 03:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Done! deeptrivia 04:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Almost there

Its almost there. Demographics needs to be filled up with figures from the infobox. Images need to be standardised, temperatures need to be added. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Transport scrap

Major Airport

Indore

Railways

Western Railways. Bombay, Baroda, and Central India Railway (BB&CI), and the Saurashtra, Rajputana and Jaipur railways. The BB&CI Railway was itself inaugurated in 1855, starting with the construction of a 29 mile (47 km) broad gauge track from Ankleshwar to Utran in Gujarat state on the west coast. In 1864, the railway was extended to Mumbai.

Subsequently, the project was further extended beyond Vadodara in a north easterly direction towards Godhra, Ratlam, Nagda and thereafter northwards towards Mathura, to eventually link with the Great Indian Peninsular Railway, now the Central Railway,

- - This data is for Madhya Pradesh ***

Road length per 1000 km : 460

Railway track length /00 sq km: 1.3

Surfaced roads/ 00 sq km: 20.8

Roads: Other stuff

Malwa mentioned in Edda

Here is description of the Malwa in the religious book of Scandinavia- Edda, which may be of use in the article:

Thakur Deshraj has mentioned in his book on History of Jats “Jat Itihas” (Hindi) (1934) that the country Assyria gets its name from Asiagh gotra Jats. The origin of word Asiagh is from Sanskrit word ‘Asi’ meaning sword. According to Kautilya the people who depended on ‘Asi’ (sword) for their living were known as Asiagh. The Asiaghs moved from Asirgarh in Malwa to Europe. Those who settled in Jangladesh were called Asiagh and those who moved to Scandinavia were known as Asi. Jats entered Scandinavia around 500 BCE and their leader was Odin. James Tod considers Odin to be derived from Buddha or Bodan. The Asi Jats founded Jutland as their homeland in Scandinavia. The religious book of Scandinavia ‘Edda’ mentions that the ancient inhabitants of Scandinavia were Jats or Jits who were Aryans known as Asi people and came to this land from Asirgarh. Asirgarh is a site of an ancient fort situated in Burhanpur district of Malwa region in Madhya Pradesh, India. Thakur Deshraj further quotes Scandinavian writer Mr Count Johnsturn who says that Scandinavians came from India. According to James Tod Scandinavia is derived from Sanskrit word ‘Skandhnabh’ which was the name of a Rishi.

It may need further research. burdak 08:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Image replacement

If Image:Mhow2_coolspark.jpg could be replaced with a similar picture taken under better lighting conditions, that would be nicer. -- Beland 19:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Page move

I recommend moving this page to Malwa. Since Malwa currently just redirects to this article anyway, there's no reason not to use the simpler title, and a dab page is unnecessary when only two articles are involved. Also, a lot of links have been broken by moving this Featured Article to the new title. -Silence 13:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree; this move was a bad call. The vast majority, if not all, links to Malwa refer to this article, not the Malwa of the Punjab. Tom Radulovich 15:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Support The only significant reference to Malwa on google is about the place in MP. AndrewRT 20:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Moved. —Nightst a llion (?) 09:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Name

Malwa is the name in English. Shouldn't there be an IAST transliteration in English after the Devanagari name as "Māļavā" or "Māļawā"? Maquahuitl 07:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Page move (2)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Malwa (Madhya Pradesh) → Malwa — Malwa already redirects here and a discussion about moving this page to simply Malwa was already concluded affirmatively in 2006. The page was moved to Malwa (Madhya Pradesh) after that by a user who is now blocked. Hekerui (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Support Pointless disambiguation. There appears to be only one Malwa. Skinsmoke (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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My edit :Pratapgarh from Chittorgarh

I have edited this article by replacing Pratapgarh from because 1. Malwa region was related with southern part of old Chittorgargh district that part has been created as new district Pratapgarh in 2008.that s why it is right to replace as above. Shemaroo (talk) 10:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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