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	My copy of ] was a double album. Look at the article- the album is 74 minutes long, far too long for two sides of vinyl. It may have been a single elsewhere, but I've never seen it as one. Even ] . ]] 15:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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	: My ex-wife's copy was a single (it had to be her's, I'd die if anyone saw it in my collection! <_>). But I'll give you that one, but as far as sales goes, worldwide The Wall sold more than SNF. The 15m in the SNF article was US sales (The Wall only hit 11.5m in the US) but it doesn't mention worldwide sales. It is widely regarded that The Wall was the biggest selling double album worldwide, over SNF (OST) and HIStory. --''']]''' 15:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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	::Certainly SNF is the biggest-selling ''soundtrack'' of all time, regardless of format. I will take a look at both articles when I have time, to make sure we are not comparing apples with oranges. ]] 15:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yup could be as The Wall wasn't a soundtrack. --''']]''' 15:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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	== Care In The Community ==
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	I have no wish to take this further. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 23:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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	:Actually I do, but I won't without Web Hamster's permission. --] ] 23:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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	::I have no beef here. But having spent time with people who were affected by that act (due to mental illness and degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's) I find that using it in refernce to an IP on Misplaced Pages making stupid trollish edits is simply - well - wrong. And I'm not talking some bullshit third party opinion here - my gradmother died shortly after the state decided community care was for the best. So apologies for being over sensitive, but WH - you need to consider that just because you find it funny (as you stated) that doesn't mean it's actually still ok to post it. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 23:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
	:::We've all been affected by the daft "care in the community" ideas Pedro, your experience is nothing special. As part of my psychology course I had a placement in a hospital for what was then called the "mentally subnormal". Those hospitals have all gone now, but I wonder to this day what now happens to all those I saw in there who couldn't possibly have survived elsewhere. --] ] 00:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

	People who actually have a sense of humour can find anything funny. As someone who was a paramedic for 10 years I'm well aware of what "care in the community" actually means. I also have personal experience of it, yet I can still find a laugh somewhere. That just leads me to believe that you are suffering simultaneously from a piousness overdose and a humour deficiency. I recommend that you don't use your own beliefs to lecture others as they maybe lacking in certain areas. Now as far I'm concerned you've had your say, I've had mine. The rest is up to you. Either way I won't be withdrawing anything. --''']]''' 12:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
	:As I said above, I have no beef with you personally. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 15:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

	== Anti-Americanism ==

	Consensus only matters among those making an effort to work toward it. Your only contribution to the discussion so far has been to contradict, and distort the actual points. The refs don't support the statements. Also, the refs aren't neutral or factual. ] (]) 04:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
	: You require consensus to remove a long-standing and referenced section of text. Refs do not need to be neutral, all they have to do is support the text they are being used as a reference for. They are factual, what they don't do is support your POV. The refs do support the text, you just can't see through your own biases. My contribution, as you call it, is to maintain the status quo against a POV warrior trying to remove parts of the article when he has no consensus to do so. Get consensus and I'll stop reverting you. --''']]''' 09:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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	:::Why don't you start an RFC if you think you can gain the required consensus? Whilst you're at it see if you can find another editor that shares your belief that the refs don't support the prose. If it's as obvious as you suggest then you shouldn't have a problem. --''']]''' 16:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

	::::Why don't you just answer the question? Can you quote the parts of the refs that actually support the statements? It should be easy. ] (]) 16:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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