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| ==Geogre== | |||
| ===Background=== | |||
| It came to the attention of the Committee in June that {{userlinks|Geogre}} is the operator of an undisclosed second account {{userlinks|Utgard Loki}}. Following an investigation, it has become apparent that Geogre has intentionally or carelessly used this account on a number of occasions for purposes not permitted under the ], namely to create or contribute to a false impression of consensus: | |||
| * Both the Geogre account and the Utgard Loki account were used in discussions during several arbitration cases: ], ], ], ]; | |||
| * The Utgard Loki account has been used on a number of occasions to reply in support of the Geogre account's position to various questions addressed to the Geogre account: , , , , ; | |||
| * Both accounts were used to make comments at ]; | |||
| * At ], the Geogre account was used to express support for the Utgard Loki account; | |||
| * At ], the Geogre account supported promoting the article to featured status, and then both accounts were used to respond to a user opposing promotion; | |||
| * The two accounts were jointly used to edit war, making six reverts within less than 12 hours: , , , , , (this last revert was made through protection). The Utgard Loki account referred to the Geogre account as if it were a separate user in the edit summary of one revert () and in a talk page discussion (]); | |||
| * At ], the Utgard Loki account was used to respond to a user disagreeing with a comment by the Geogre account; | |||
| * At ], a featured article review concerning an article to which Geogre was the leading contributor, the Utgard Loki account was used to defend the article; | |||
| * At ], the Utgard Loki account was used to support deletion, while the Geogre account was used to make comments in response to someone who did not support deletion (, ); | |||
| * At ], the Geogre account was used to support the request and the Utgard Loki account was used to comment in a thread concerning someone who opposed the request; | |||
| * At ] (section "WP:GANG → Misplaced Pages:Tag team"), the Utgard Loki account was used to support deletion, while the Geogre account was used to reply to users not supporting deletion; | |||
| * At ], a featured article review concerning an article to which Geogre was the leading contributor, the Utgard Loki account was used to defend the article; | |||
| * The Geogre account was used to unblock a user (]), and the Utgard Loki account was subsequently used to comment on the situation (]). | |||
| The Committee invited Geogre to comment upon its concerns about the use of these two accounts early in July, so that he might have an opportunity to respond to them. The Committee has received and considered his response. | |||
| ===Motion 1=== | |||
| :''There are currently 12 active arbitrators, and Risker is recused on all Geogre motions, so 6 votes are a majority.'' | |||
| 1) The {{userlinks|Utgard Loki}} account is indefinitely blocked. {{userlinks|Geogre}} is indefinitely prohibited from maintaining any other alternate account without disclosing it publicly. | |||
| :Support: | |||
| :# ] (]) 13:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# (But see below in regards to my previous involvement). — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# ]] 13:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# At least this, yeah. ] 14:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# Please also see comments below. ] (]) 19:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# ] (] '''·''' ]) 21:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :# <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 22:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Oppose: | |||
| :# | |||
| :Abstain: | |||
| :# Placeholder; vote and comments to follow. I also note that while I have read Geogre's e-mail to one of my colleagues, I do not know whether he will want to make a statement here that should be taken into account. ] (]) 16:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Recuse: | |||
| :# (Risker) | |||
| ===Motion 2=== | |||
| 2) {{userlinks|Geogre}} is strongly admonished for sockpuppeting and his actions related thereto. | |||
| :Support: | |||
| :#<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 22:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :#I originally saw no need for a specific admonition given the one implicit in the imposition of the restriction about undisclosed alternate accounts, but I also see no harm in stating it explicitly. — ] <sup>]</sup> 22:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Oppose: | |||
| :# | |||
| :Abstain: | |||
| :# | |||
| :Recuse: | |||
| :# (Risker) | |||
| ===Arbitrator views and discussion=== | |||
| *In this particular case, I was notified of the alternate account in my capacity as an administrator by a number of uninvolved editors. After bringing the matter to the Committee's attention and after confirmation that the ] account was, indeed, under the direct control of ], I have blocked and tagged the account pending further disposition by ArbCom. My involvement outside normal committee deliberations ends there. Given that this was strictly an enforcement following standard operating procedure, and that I have had no involvement or dispute with either account before or since, there seem to be no reason for me to recuse in this motion formalizing my original act. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *Further action by the Committee is possible in several ways. The Committee has exchanged information with Geogre that led us to take this preliminary action. With more input from the Geogre or others in the Community then the block might be reviewed, or an admonishment or desysop motioned added. A full case request could entertained if more evidence needs to be compiled. These are three on a list of many possible further actions that could happen. ]] 18:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *I believe I am the colleague Newyorkbrad referred to in his placeholder statement as having been e-mailed by Geogre. If that is the case, a timeline of that correspondence may help here. While I can't disclose what was discussed, unless all parties agree to it, I think it is important to be open about the level and amount of communication that took place. It may also make things clearer if Coren adds dates and timings to the record of his actions. Anyway, I first became aware of this issue on 27 June, during discussion of an unrelated matter. When we received further information over the following week, and I realised there was sufficient overlap between the editing of the accounts to cause concern, I offered to write to Geogre. This offer was made on 2 July, and the initial e-mail I sent to Geogre was sent later that day, and was copied to the arbitration mailing list. It was followed by a on 3 July saying he had e-mail. A reply was received on 5 July, addressed both to me and the committee. I sent an acknowledgment of the initial reply on 6 July, and a further response was received that same day. I then sent two specific replies to the two e-mails from Geogre, sending those on 9 July. The three e-mails sent after the initial e-mail were, like the initial e-mail, all copied to the arbitration mailing list. There has been no further correspondence to date. I am happy to answer any questions Geogre has about those e-mails, if he would prefer to continue the discussion in public of the points raised there, and the further points raised here with this motion. ] (]) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| === Question by MZMcBride === | |||
| Why is there not a formal admonishment attached to this? --] (]) 18:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Added. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 22:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===Statement by ]=== | |||
| The {{User|Utgard Loki}} account was used to harass and abuse me for attempting to edit articles, and well as to post on talk pages and FARs of articles belonging to {{user|Geogre}}, {{user|Bishonen}} and {{user|Giano II}}. At the time, I did not realize these editors were related. Geogre made mischief and then used his ] account to fan the flames when I tried to edit and comment on ], ] and ], on his talk page and elsewhere. For example, Geogre used ] to defend ] calling me a troll and to ridicule me., as well as disparage me in edit summaries. Regards, —] (]) 19:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===Statement by Giano=== | |||
| It is commonly known to the ArbCom and throughout the encyclopedia that Mattisse is a troublemaker. When thwarted she trolls, when that fails she resorts to self-pity. We are currently seeing the former, no doubt the latter will follow in due course. I cannot see that "Utgard" has done any harm, and probably quite a lot of good - which is more than can be said of some of those here wanting Geogre's head on a plate. ] (]) 22:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===Statement by {username}=== | |||
| ===Clerk notes=== | |||
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