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==KHATRIS ARE A TRADITIONAL WARRIOR CASTE, NOT MERCHANTS YOU IGNORANT FOOLS==
'''IN INDIA WE NEVER HEARD OF A KHATRI (A MERCHANT CASTE) BEING REFERRED TO AS A KSHATRIYA (WARRIOR).''' Nijjar <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Go tell that to Msnanda.. --] (]) 10:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:khatri is the cast from which all ten sikh gurus came from and it is a warrior caste and are traditional kshatriyas like rajputs etc, and even their gotras are similar like bhardwaj, paulastya etc. today alot of khatris like every other caste like rajputs, jatts etc are into business, trade etc. but if you see the indian army the last three army chiefs were all khatris, one was a sikh khatri and two were hindu khatris. (Unsigned comment restored by me ] (]) 18:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC))
::HMM, I am a Jatt and not a Khatri so have nothing to lose from saying what I say, but I am convinced Khatri's are Kshatriya and the mercantile profession is one adopted by them, reason why:
# Khatri is a dialect (Panjabi variation) on Khshatrita, just as the word in Nepal for Kshatriya is ""
# When a Kshatriya falls on hardtimes, in order for him to retain his status, the mercantile profession is one he is permitted.
# The Sikh Guru's in Dasam Granth describe at great length their Kshatriya family heritage, as in , as well as many other places.
# Kshatriya, Khatri, Rajput intermarriage occurs very often (I have attended several weddings myself).

::I do not know what further evidence people need, and why people get so excited about this? Thanks--] 11:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

==Regions with significant populations?==
Any other countries you want to add to this list? How about China, maybe Russia?, Mongolia perhaps?, oh we can't forget Hawaii right, and Belarus!. How ABSOLUTELY ridiculous, whoever included all those countries is an absolute fool, there are no significant populations of Khatris in Ukraine? lol, haha. The only regions with significant populations would be India and p**istan. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:18, '''21 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Note should be taken of the fact that the great caste of Khatri (the merchants) have nothing to do with the Kshatriya (warrior and kings).'''

Khatri is a wonderful caste of merchants from Punjab, they are not warriors the Kshatriyas. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

'''Would agree the Khatri a caste found mainly in the Punjab is a caste of merchants. Nice people as well.''' <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Nice discussion it seems the Misplaced Pages is used to push an agenda. In India the Khatris are known as surely a caste of merchants and the Kshatriyas as a martial caste. They both must not be and should not be mixed.

See a Khatri-Sikh:http://www.kheper.net/topics/Sant_Mat/Raji300.jpg

See a Kshatriya-Sikh: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041215/ed1.jpg

Yours etc.,

Balwant Singh Purewal <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Freakin self agreement ... A and A is logically still A, you can invent any fables you like and then agree with them. ...
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By creating a fake dispute and controversy a Khatri (a merchant) can not be made a Kshatriya (warriors and kings). these two castes have nothing in common in looks. culture or gots.
Mandeep Mann''' <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I would agree that Khatri and Kashatriyas are one and the same. Get over the translation folks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== What Crap is this ==
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Nonsense we Kshatriyas the warriors have nothing to do with Khatris a great caste of merchants. Not only have we different traditions, structure and looks and no common Gotras. Jarnail Singh Sra.''' <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I can't believe this artcle, its all bull crap. Wow some people amaze me at how little they know. Thats funny to know that the GUrus came from a bandit caste...so ridiculous. It was accurate before. Khatri IS NOT HINDI, it is the punjabi way of saying it and is called KSHATRIYA in sanskrit meaning warrior caste which is the same caste I am from. Khatris are not a merchant caste, Khatris are warriors and exactly the same as Rajputs so get over it. Rajput is a Rajasthani way of saying it or only used for Kshatriyas from Rajasthan, Khatri is a Punjabi way of saying it and only used by Kshatriyas from Punjab, Kshatriya is a Sanskrit way of saying it.

This is what the article originally should be saying:

"The Khatris (Punjabi) or Kshatriyas (Sanskrit, (K) silent) are a north Indian community that originated in the Potwar Plateau of Punjab. This region is historically connected with the composition of the Vedas and classics like the Mahabharata and Ashtadhyayi. In the old varna (caste) system the Kshatriya were members of the Hindu military order who as administrators and rulers, were tasked with protecting Hindu Dharma, and serving humanity. In the course of time, however, as a result of economic and political exigencies, Khatris also expanded into mercantile occupations.

Today Khatris live in all regions of India, but are concentrated in East Punjab, Haryana, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. While most Khatris are Hindu, some are also Sikh, some Muslim and even a small minority are Jain. Khatris of all these faiths collectively form one community. In modern times, the Khatri play a significant role in the Indian economy, serving as businessmen, civil and government administrators, landlords and military officials." ] (]) 02:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Aahana999




'''The Khatris are Aryans like most Indians. However,they are a merchant caste and not Kshatriyas like the Rajputs, Jats, Nairs, Coorgis, etc.''' '''They are respected in India'''.

who changed the earlier article and added this crap
"they are not usually military in their character, though considerable numbers enlisted during the great War, they have not however the same military qualities as the Jat Sikh to whom they are greatly socially inferior."
please remove this nonsense and roll back the original article. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


To the guy above me who says that Khatris are socially inferior, Then why are the socially inferior guys the Gurus, creators of Sikhism all warriors? And how is a farmer caste superior socially to a Prince/Princess/Warrior caste? Jat Sikhs were Farmers and not Warriors and were usually footmen soldiers under Khatri Generals, so get your information straight and get off your high Tracktor ] (]) 03:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


] (]) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The Khatri, a merchant is not a Kshtriya the warrior. No one can create a confusion on this. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I edited out the perhaps mischievous or equally possible, ill informed comments of the last user. We still need to make this article much better. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Need for reorganization==

Yes many of these people have no idea what they are talking about. I am also Khatri which is the Punjabi word for the Sanskrit Kshatriya which means warrior caste. ] (]) 02:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


# Divisions like Dhai-Ghar etc are of minor significance. They should be mentioned later in the article. Their history needs some careful research.
# The discussion of history should be re-organized into a well-written section.
# Shared heritage should be in the section on history.

] are indeed a clan of Khatris.

Khatris are the Kshatriyas of the Punjab region. Whole of India was once ruled by Kshatriyas. For clarity, the two terms should be used such that Khatri is a specific term and Kshatriya is a general term.--] (]) 00:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

=="A legend based on Hindu oral traditions"==

Article states:
:A legend based on Hindu oral traditions states that Lahore was named after Lava, son of Lord Rama, who supposedly founded the city. To this day, the Lahore fort has a deserted temple dedicated to Luv (also pronounced as Loh, hence "Loh-awar" or fort of Loh). Another legend says the town of Kasur (now in Pakistan) was named after Kusha, the younger son of Lord Rama.

Actually it is mentioned in ] of ].--] (]) 00:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

==List of anonymous IP s used by Cranks to post on this article==
I have reintroduced this section , as a very large no of anonymous ips continue to post junk on this page . <br>
Apparently there are several users with an agenda posting junk or deleting content from this page . If you come across one not listed here please add. It may be useful to check the other contributions of these crank ips as well as their WHOIS origin .<br>

Perhaps they may respond to posts on their Discusssion page recording a history of their vandal edits on variou articles .<nr>

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] (]) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Good idea.--] (]) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br>
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==From the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA==

I think this large quote is mostly redundant. I suggest we remove it after merging parts of the text to other parts, if needed (with citation).--] (]) 01:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Some cleaning is needed.--] (]) 03:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== vandal edits using sockpuppets==
User Shanti bhai<br>
has been using scores of Sockpuppets to vandal the Khatri and as well . please see his talk page <br>
Here for example are specifically '''two edit dates between which''' he has contributed a number of vandal posts . The edit history between these two posts makes it amply clear how shanti bhai has used several new user ids and anonymous posts to completely vandal this article . The two posts are <br>
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] (]) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
==Vandalism==
This article is complete and utter tosh. I'm sorry but, sentences like "Latest to enter bollywood from Kapoor clan is the hearthrob of the nation Ranbir Kapoor,Rishi's son. Khanna's have also made bollywood proud.Rajesh Khanna was the 1st ever superstar of bollywood." have no place here. I'm going to see if I can find a clean version. ] (]) 20:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

::Discussion shifted to this page from User Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (]) page .<br>

Hi <br>
I refer to your '''neutrality of this article is disputed''' banner on the article and .<br>

Although I do agree that the portion you have mentioned in your comments on the discussion page is inane and this along with other frivolous content should be removed.
I think your comments about this ''entire'' article being ''complete and utter tosh.'' Is sweeping and unqualified .<br>

Please specifically inform sections that need improvement, pruning or deletion , for the tag to be removed .<br>

I have been working to improve this article for a long time by providing edits with citations from verifiable sources, as a matter of fact a large number of these citations have been provided by me. <br>

On the other hand this article has been aggressively vandaled by several anonymous ips , and to counter this I created a vandal list which is available on the discussion page . I have avoided removing any content as my experience on[REDACTED] tells me this invariably ends in an edit war unless an editor is involved .<br>

I hope that you are an editor and will now assist with improving the article and protecting from vandals .<br>
Cheers<br>
] (]) 10:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:"And it is a slog of destiny that they had to leave their ancestral home of Punjab upon the partition of India. It is a huge loss of culture, heredity and traditions for Punjabi people." Really, it's just... full of peacock terms, which I don't think I need to point out, because they're readily apparent. ] (]) 17:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::::Shifting this dialogue to the Khatri discussion page for ref . I have made some deletions and edits . Would appreciate removal of this tag . If there are other specific instances of content you have an issue with please elucidate . I also hope that you have a deep knowledge of the subject . <br>
Cheers<br>
] (]) 09:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Message for User:Chase me ladies'''

Carrying forward the discussion <br>
Why have you removed so many relevant pieces of verifiable content from reliable sources with complete citation details provided .<br>
I am listing the the Headings and then the references here instead of the content to avoid this message from becoming too long .<br>
This content needs to be restored ,if required it could be abridged where possible , or synopsis inserted. <br>

'''From the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA'''<br>
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'''Muslim Khatris of Kashmir'''<br>
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'''Khatris in Maharashtra'''<br>
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'''Histrory of Khatris recorded in the ]'''<br>
Source Reference of content provided on the article removed 4<ref>THE AÍN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZLALLÁMI, TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PERSIAN,BY H. BLOCHMANN, M.A.AND COLONEL H. S. JARRETT Volume 11 Chapter93 </ref>}}

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Source Reference of content provided on the article removed 6<ref>THE AÍN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZLALLÁMI, TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PERSIAN,BY H. BLOCHMANN, M.A.AND COLONEL H. S. JARRETT Volume 111 Page 114 </ref>}}

'''Sarsut Brahmans and Khatris'''<br>
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Would appreciate your response.<br>
Cheers<br>
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=References=
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==Need a separate article on ]==

An article on Punjab organization this is needed.--] (]) 01:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

==Muslim Khatris==
Please do not remove Islam from religious denominations of Khatris or content related to Muslim Khatris . There are significant communities of Khatris from Punjab ,Sindh ,NWFP ,and other parts of the South Asian region .<br>
Cheers<br>
] (]) 06:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Relation with Jatts and Tarkhans ==

Y-chromosome is found in Jat,Khatri,Tarkhan Tribes and it is proved that along with Indo-Scythian Ancestry these tribes have European lineage.So I request you to edit this in Relation with Jatts and Tarkhan in topic ].
] (]) 21:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Lol==
I cant help but laugh at the persistent and vicious vandal edits on this article .<br>

Referenced content is corrupted deleted continously ...latest someone turns them into Indo Scythians.....wow <br>

lol . <br>

] (]) 12:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Khatris are related to Jats and Tarkhan and are not related to Aroras. ==

Some traces are found which tell that ] tribe is related to ] and ] tribe.These tribes have ] Ancestry and ] is found in these three tribes,therefore these tribes have European Lineage and ] are not related ] tribe.
] (]) 21:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Origin of Khatri, Tarkhan(Ramgarhia) and Jat clans ==

According to DNA test, it observed that, the ], ] and ] clans have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] Origin.
] (]) 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Regions ==

Are the regions shown in this article in the info box correct? ''''']'']''' 10:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Regions shown in Khatris are correct ==

It is true that Khatris are found in these regions.In Case Russia and former USSR Republics,many Khatri, Jat and Ramgarhia sikhs lived In Soviet Russia and in 1991 some immigrated to other countries of USSR and some Sikhs are still living in other Parts Europe and other parts of World, so I request you not remove this topic from Khatris.
] (]) 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== All Khatri clans are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.Khatri clans are not related to Arora clans. ==

] and ] tribe.The ] clans, ] clans and ] clans have common ] origin.All the clans of these three tribes are found all the parts of world.People of all the ] clans and some ] and ] clans are found among Punjabi ], Punjabi ] and ].These clans of these three tribes are found as a majority in Punjab of Pakistan.] tribe is not found in Punjab of Pakistan.The Arora tribe is different from The ], ] and ] tribes.So, I request you not remove any topic to related to Relation ], ] and ] tribes.also, do not remove or change the ], ] and ] clans and I also request you not change any article related to ], ], ].Because, according to the census of 1951 to 2001,it is reported that many ] people of all 52 clans of ] tribe(Including Khukhran ]) are living along with ] and ] are living All the parts of Pakistan ,Northern India and other parts of world.The relegions followed by the people of all the clans of these three tribes are ](Both ] and ]), ] and ].I am not threatening you, but your actions of removing topics from the articles (Mentioned above) makes me angry.Please don't get angry.I like your website Misplaced Pages.if you are getting angry, for that I am sorry.But I want to know ,why you are removing the information ?
] (]) 21:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== List of Khatri Clans ==

A

* Abrol
* Alung/Alang/Alagh/Alg/Alangh
* Amba
* Anand
* Angra
* Azad
* Awal

B

* Badhwar/Budhwar
* Bagga
* Bahl
* Bahri
* Baijal
* Bajaj
* Bassi
* Bawa
* Bedi
* Bembey
* Beri
* Bhalla
* Bhambri
* Bhamra
* Bhandari
* Bharara
* Bhasin
* Bindra
* BATTA
* Basur
* Barman

C

* Chopra,s
* Chadha
* Chaudhary
* Chhatwal
* Chandhok
* Chopra

D

* Dhall
* Dhand
* Dhawan
* Dhir
* Dhody
* Duggal
* Deora
* Diwan

G

* Gadhiok/Gandhok
* Gossain
* Ghai/Ghei/Gehi
* Gujral
* Gandotra
* Gulla

H

* Handa/Hande

J

* Jerath/Jeirath/Jairath
* Jaggi
* Jagga
* Jolly
* Johar

K

* Kaura
* Kakkar/Kacker
* Kapoor/Kapur
* Khanna
* Khosla
* Kapahi
* Kapany
* Katyal
* Khattar/Khattri/Khatri
* Khullar
* Kohli
* kaushal

L

* Lal
* Lamba
M

* Madhok
* Mahana/Mahna
* Mahendru/Mahendroo/Mahindru/Maindru
* Maini
* Malhotra
* Mehra
* Mehta
* Marwah
* Makkar
N

* Nair/Nayer/Nayyar/Nayar
* Nijhawan
* Nikhanj
* Nanda

O

* Oberoi/Oberai/Obhrai/Uberoi
* Ohri

P

* Parwanda
* Puri
* Pahwar
* Passi

S

* Syal/Sayal/Sial
* Sabharwal
* Sablok
* Saggar
* Sahi/Shahi
* Sahni/Sahani/Sawhney
* Suri
* Sami
* Samnotra
* Sareen/Sarin
* Sarwal
* Saggi
* Sehgal/Sahgal
* Sekhri
* Seth
* Sethi
* Sibal
* Sikand
* Sikka
* Sobti
* Sodhi
* Sondhi
* Soni

] T

* Talwar
* Thamman
* Tandan/Tandon
* Trehan
* Tuli
* Thapar

U

* Uberoi
* Uppal

V

* Vadehra
* Vig/Vij
* Vohra/Wouhara

vedi

W

* Wadhawan
* Wahie/Wahi
* WAHAL
* Wadhera
These are The Khatri clans.Some are Still missing but I request you not to change, remove, add any of the clans of Khatri Clans.
] (]) 22:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Among ] in Pakistan, along with Jats, Khatris are a majority ==

Among ] in ] ] and ] are a majority.Mostly they follow ](Both ] and ]) in ].So i request you not to remove this statement.
] (]) 19:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Origin of khatri clans ==

According to DNA test, it observed that, the Khatri, Tarkhan and Jatt clans have Caucasian, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Aryan, Italic, Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, Baltic, Greek Origin.irequest you not to remove this statement.
] (]) 08:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Khatri are not related to Aroras ==

Khatris are related to Jatts And Tarkhan and are not related to Aroras, so I Request you not to add this statement.
] (]) 17:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wrong edits ==

Why you always edit that Khatris are related to Aroras.
] (]) 21:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


==Religion==

These are the religions followed by the ] people in ], ] and other parts of the world:-

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I request you not to change this statement.
] (]) 21:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)



==Religion==

These are the religions followed by the ] people in ], ] and other parts of the world:-

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"; border="5"
! Religion !! Khatri Population %
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I request you not to change this statement.
] (]) 21:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


WHERE THE F DID YOU COME UP WITH THOSE FIGURES FROM? THE MAJORITY OF KHATRIS ARE HINDUS BUDDY. GET LOST WITH THISE NONSENSE AND DON'T EVER POST TO THIS PAGE AGAIN
--] (]) 18:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you crack backstubborn ,don't abuse me.I'am juist telling you that Majority of Khatris are muslims.I am Abdul Fazal Nanda a Muslim Khatri from Gujranwala of Nanda clan.
] (]) 13:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, what the heck is a crack backstubborn? How long did it take you to come up with that word? Second, I am not abusing you, I am abusing your idea and non-factual information, so make that clear. You're just telling me that majority of Khatris are Muslims?? what factual information do you have to back that up (references??). I can provide several to show that the majority of Khatris are Hindus. Now, lets see what you got...
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Iam sorry man.Please forgive me.I was just telling that Majority of Khatris are muslims.
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== Khatris are not related to Aroras ==

Khatris are not related to Aroras and Khatris are related to Jatts and Tarkhan.So i request you not enter the name of Arora tribe in Khatri and also not change the religions.
] (]) 14:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Listen, for a long time, I use to believe Khatris are not related to Aroras. But these all changed after I did much researach on the topic. The face remains, these two communities are very similar and share much in common, which predates many historical records created by the British. If anything, Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. All Khatris are not Aroras, but all Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Besides, you're not evening posting with a name, you're making your changes anonymously, which is total B.S. Do you understand!?
--] (]) 18:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Content review needed ==

This article is not encylopedic in tone or content, and probably violates NPOV. Phrases like "Khatris are a fine caste..." reflect a point of view, and need to be sourced. (Who says this?) Sentences such as this lack an encyclopedic style: "All throughout their history Punjab has been their beloved homeland. And it is a slog of destiny that they had to leave their ancestrial home of Punjab upon the partition of India." And so forth.

As a non-Indian hoping to learn more about Khatri, I was disappointed to find the article in this state.. I'm putting a review tag on it. Hopefully some knowledgeable editors can get it up to Misplaced Pages standards. ] (]) 04:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with this, POV, giving hard opinions and trying to express how "Khatris" all feel collectively should NOT be captured on this page, since the article cannot speak and account for every single Khatri's opinion.
--] (]) 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhia (Tarkhan) and Khatris are not Related to Aroras ==

] are related to ] and ] (]) and ] are not related to ] . I am telling you all this because my Ancestors were the relatives of ]. I am a ] ].It was told by our Ancestors to continous generations of Family that ] were different from ] .] are a Distinct Tribe.According to our Ancestors, ] are Related to ] and ] tribe. ] , ] and ] (]) communities
are of ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] tribes.
So I request you not to remove this statement From ], ] and ].Please I want a Quick response from you.
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== Khatris are not related to Aroras but khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhias ==

According to our ancestors, Khatris are not related to Aroras but khatris are related to Jatts and Ramgarhias.Why don't you beleive me?Please trust me, Iam not lying.Please, I beg in front of you,Please,God promise ,iam not lying.
] (]) 16:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Whats the matter with you man? get a grip with yourself! Let me explain how this works. Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Many Khatris do not recognize them as being Khatri because history shows that Aroras migrated from a different part of India (more then likely, centuries ago from the Sindh and the Multan area), and when they settled in the higher north Punjabi regions, the Khatris did not associate the Aroras with themselves, and called them Arora.
--] (]) 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

God promise,Iam not lying, my ancestor promise.Please believe me.How can be you so sure that our ancestors were not true?Please man iam just friendly.
] (]) 22:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)



Whats the matter with you man? get a grip with yourself! Let me explain how this works. Aroras are a sub-group of Khatris. Many Khatris do not recognize them as being Khatri because history shows that Aroras migrated from a different part of India (more then likely, centuries ago from the Sindh and the Multan area), and when they settled in the higher north Punjabi regions, the Khatris did not associate the Aroras with themselves, and called them Arora.
--] (]) 19:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Man why are you getting angry?
] (]) 20:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Man please believe me
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== Don't remove ==

Man why don't you believe me?God promise, Iam not lying. Iam not getting angry with you but your actions of removing statements related to Khatris, Jats and Ramgarhia Tarkhan tribe makes me angry. Iam sorry ,But Iam not lying. If iam lying, I cross my heart and hope to die.
] (]) 12:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Khatris are not related to Aroras ==

Khatris are not related to ] but ] are related to ] ] Tribe, ] tribe, ] tribe, ] tribe, ] Tribe, ] Tribe.According to history and my ancestors(who were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev ji)the descendants of Seven(7) brothers of an ] ] person from ],] and ],were these 7 tribes.These tribes also have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] origin. According ],it is proved that these tribes are Closely and indirectly related and connected to each other. These tribes also share many ] with ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] groups.Please,trust me man,Iam not lying Iam not angry with you man, you are just like my family member.God promise, my ancestor promise, Iam not lying.Why don't you trust and believe me?If I am lying I cross my heart and hope to die. So I Respectfully and Kindly request you not Remove this statement, I promise if iam lying I would die.I also want you Add this statement In Khatri, Tarkhan, Ramgarhia, Jat, Gujjar, Lohar, Rajput, Kamboj Articles.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze, Believe me, God Promise iam not lying.
] (]) 19:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Origin of Khatri clans and relation of Khatri tribe with other Punjabi tribes ==

The Khatri tribe is closely and indirectly related and connected to ], ] ], ], ], ], ] tribes.These seven tribes are said to be the descendants of the 7 sons of an ] Nomadic person, who, many centuries ago came from ] ].According to ] some trace and sources,it is proved that These Seven tribes are closely connected with each other.It also proved that these seven tribes have ], ] and ] lineage.All the clans of these seven tribes also have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] (]), ] and ] origin.God promise iam not lying Please believe me.So I request you not remove this statement from ], ] and ].
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Sorry man sorry man please now believe me
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'''Khatri''' (]: ਖੱਤਰੀ, ]: खत्री) is the Punjabi adaptation of ] word ] (Hindi: क्षत्रिय, Kşhatriya). The Kshatriya are the traditional members of the Hindu military order. As administrators and rulers, Kshatriya were assigned with protecting Dharma, and serving humanity and the world. In course of time, however, as a result of economic and political exigencies, the Khatri also expanded into other occupations.
Khatris are not warriors. The ] community traces its origins to the ], ], ] regions of the Punjab, and beyond to Central Asia as the early ] who migrated to South Asia and settled in the Punjab and Kashmir regions. These regions are historically connected with the composition of the ], the ], ] and ] as well as more modern religious texts such as the ].

The ] are most numerous in the ], ], ], ] and ] districts. Another very high concentration of ] is in ] and ].Khatris are a minority in Delhi. Well integrated into India, from historical times to modern times, the ]s have played a significant role in the Indian economy, as businessmen, civil and government administrators, landlords and military officials/generals. They can also be found in major towns of ] like ], ], ], ] and ]. Historically, there were very high concentrations of Khatris in the ], notably in ].

] along with other Punjabi tribes like ], ], and ], historically bore the brunt of all invasions into ] yet remaining Indian to the core. ] have a significant role in shaping the ]. All throughout their history ] has been their homeland. When Pakistan and India gained independence, most of the ] in what became Pakistan migrated to India. Today ] live in all regions of India, but are concentrated in Punjab, ], ], ] and ].

Punjabi Khatris were adversely affected by the ], as it resulted in the loss of their traditional home regions. These Khatris migrated to India, where they were forced to start anew their lives. Despite losing their land, businesses, and all other material assets during the partition of India, Khatris earned the clout that they held in pre-partitioned India.

Most ] are ] or ]. Some are ] and a smaller minority belong to other faiths such as ]. ] of all these faiths collectively form one community.

==Khatri Family Names==
''Main article: ] on ]''

=== Origin and Distribution ===
{{see also|Hinduism in Punjab|Indian caste system|Potohar|Taxila}}

The Khatris are a prominent Indian community of ] who settled in the ] and ] region of north-western Indian subcontinent. This region is of considerable historical significance in the development of the Indian culture since the composition of the ] and classics like the ], ] and ].

], ] and ] are descendants of ](Saka tribes) tribes who settled much later into the Punjab region These groups share many ] with ], ], ], ], and ] groups. According to ]. These tribes also have European lineage, as the ] is found in all these tribes.Khatris are Closely connected with ], ] ], ], ], ], ] tribes.

Khatris have an extensive military tradition and have excelled in the ] having received many honors and gallantary awards for their service. Within the ''']''' (]) the present ], ] ] is Khatri and he took charge from another Khatri, ] ] ] who took charge from another Khatri, ] ].

For the most part, Khatris have served in the civil, government, and military sectors for centuries.<ref>As ]s</ref>. In addition, ] have significantly contributed to ] since the times of ] and continue to flourish in the arts today.

===Description of "Khatri Caste" from the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA by Government of Indian State of Punjab, India===

{{bquote| ''Khatris''. – Khatri is a popular variant of the Sanskrit word Kashtrya, which was used to describe the warrior caste among the Hindu according to the varanashram propounded by the Shastras. In course of time as a result of economic and political exigencies, however, the Khatris also resorted to mercantile occupations, which were originally adopted by the Vaisas, the trading classes.<br>
Like Brahmans there are further sub-divisions amongst Khatris-Bannjais, Sarin, Dhaigharas, chargharas, etc. in the reign of Alaudin Khiliji widoe re-marriage was enforced. Fifty-two castes of Khatris are said to have submitted a memorandum, duly signed, to the Emperor. The signatory castes are called Banjais. Certain castes of eastern Punjab refused to sign the memorandum and were called Shari-Ain, later corrupted to that of Sarin. The Khokhrain baradari is said to consist of the descendants of certain families of Khatris who were believed to have joined the Khokhars in a rebellion and with them other Khatri families were loath to have matrimonial relations. The Bahri section of the descendants of Mehr Chand, Khan Chand and Kapur Chand, three Khatris who went to Delhi in attandance upon one of Akbar’s Rajput wives, and who thus separated from rest of the Khatri castes, married only within each other’s families.8 (8.These appear to be conjectural for the same division appears among the Brahmans of western plains.) the number of the members of this caste is fairly large. The more prominenty, however, in point of social rank are the Mehra or Mehrotra, Khanna, Kapur and the Seth sub-castes.<br>
Prior to partition certain castes, such as churamani, Nanda. Khullar, Jerath, Chopra and Vij were particularly associated with Ludhiana; Behl, Kapoor, Mehra, Seth, Berri Sencher and Dhir with jagraon; Batte, sondhi and Karir with Machhiwara and Bahlolpur; sehgal and Thapar with Rai kot and Had and Cham with Khanna and Sally, Sanan and Handa with Batala. After partition different castes of Khatris have been widely dispersed with the result that it is very difficult to ascertain their numbers caste-wise, especially because compilation of statistics according to castes has been discontinued since 1947.<br>
Khatris are generally mild in disposition. They are mostly literate and law abiding.
Khatris in the district are a great commercial class. They have also made their mark in industry. In Payal sub-tahsil they are generally land-owners. They also engage themselves in Government or private service<ref>, Accessed on November 15, 2008; Homepage: </ref>}}

'''Source:''' ''Castes, People, GAZETTEER LUDHIANA, Department of Revenue, Government of Punjab (India)''<ref>, Accessed on November 15, 2008; Homepage: </ref>

=== Prominent historical Khatris ===

One of the most important character of famous Punjabi legend Raja ] is minister ],<ref>The Legends of the Panjab By Sir Richard Carnac Temple, Reprint of the 1884-1900 ed. published by Education Society's Press, Bombay, ISBN 0405101287</ref><ref>Four Legends of King Rasalu of ], The Folk-Lore Journal, 1883 Folklore Enterprises, Ltd, p. 129-151</ref> Most scholars agree that ] ruled from Sialkot and lived sometime between 400 to 500 AD.<ref>The adventures of the Panjab hero Raja Rasalu and other folk-tales of the Panjab By Charles Swynnerton, Published 1884
Original from Oxford University </ref> If it is true then ] clan name originated in that time.<ref>ibid</ref>

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Many prominent historical figures have emerged from the Khatri. All ten ] were Khatri. Three out of the five "dear fives" Chosen by Guru Gobind singh were so called Dalits or low castes. This clearly reinforces the fact that people do not become superior by being khatris, jatts or Brahmins. The four ''gots'' of Sikh gurus existed at least since 15th century AD: As also the names of most Khatris included the word 'Dev', such as Guru Nanak Dev Ji, ] Ji etc.

* ]: '']''
* ]: ''Trehan''
* ]: ''Bhalla''
* All seven others: '']''

Raja Fateh Chand was a ''Maini'' Khatri chieftain of ] who served ] Ji with dedication during his visit in 1665. Raja Fateh Chand and his wife converted their house into a dharamsala for the sangat or devotees to assemble in holy congregation. The place came to be known as Maini Sangat. On the site now stands ].

] was a ] Khatri whose martyrdom was celebrated on ''Basant Panchami'' in Lahore until independence. ],<ref> Nalwa, V. (2009), Hari Singh Nalwa-Champion of the Khalsaji, New Delhi: Manohar</ref> Maharaja Ranjit Singh's most feared general was an Uppal Khatri. The father and son pair of the Diwans ] and ] were successive governors of ] under ].

===Khatris and Sun Worship===

Raja Vanvihari Kapoor has written that major Khatri clans are named after Lord Sun.<ref name="Jwalaprasad">Jwalaprasad Mishra, Jati Bhaskar, 1914</ref> are mentioned below.

* Kripakar ] Priests: Pambu
* Shankan Khanna Priests: Jhingana
* Martanada ] Priests: Jhingana
* Mitra Mehra Priests: Jetali
* Shreshtha Seth
* Mahendra Mahindru
* Bahukar Bahora (Vohra)
* Chakravali Chaupada (Chopra)
* Karalagni Kakkar Priests: Kumadiye
* Surya Suri
* Sahasrakar ] Priests: Mohile

According to the ], Punjab indeed was an ancient center of Sun worship.

===Sanatan Khatris===

A majority of Khatris are ].<ref name="M.A">M.A. Sherring, Hindu Castes and Tribes as represented in Banares, 1872.</ref> As noted in the introduction, the Khatri community have been positioned in roles of administration, rule and warfare within Punjab. The Khatris were the patrons ('yajamansas' or in Punjabi 'jajmani') of the ].<ref name="Jwalaprasad"/> The Khatris are among the very few non-Brahmin communities that have traditionally studied the Vedas.<ref> Hindu Tribes and Castes By Matthew Atmore Sherring, Published 1872
Trubner and cop 277</ref> Additionally, Saraswat Brahmins accept both Kachcha and Pakka food from Khatri's.

===Arya Samaj Khatris===

] was invited to Punjab to counter the missionaries by prominent individuals who also founded the ]. He established ] in Lahore in 1877, which was against casteism, rituals, idol worship and promoted strict monotheism, which he claimed was the essential message of the Vedas. Arya Samaj became popular among ], especially Khatris<ref><Political Elite and Society in the Punjab, By Puri, Nina Published 1985 Vikas
</ref> who were attracted to a similar message by the Sikh Gurus earlier.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.chowk.com/articles/10040 |title=Chowk: : The Amazing Khatris of Punjab |publisher=Chowk.com |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref> Arya Samaj inspired individuals like ] and institutions like ] started by Lala ].<ref>Mahatma Hansraj: Maker of the Modern Punjab By Sri Ram Sharma, Published 1941, Arya Pradeshik, Pratinidhi Sabha</ref>

===Sikh Khatris===

A portion of the Khatris are Sikh.<ref>Census of India, 1901 By India Census Commissioner, Sir Edward Albert Gait, Published 1903 Office of the Superintendent of Government Printing, India, Part 2 Tables, page 292.</ref> All the Ten Sikh Gurus were Khatris from the Sodhi, Bedi, ] and ] clans which like other ] clans, claim ] ], ], ] and ] descent according to the autobiographical ] by Guru Gobind Singh.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=113 |title=Sri Dasam Granth Sahib |publisher=Sridasam.org |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref> During the lifetime of the Gurus, most of their major supporters and Sikhs were Khatris. A list of this is provided by ] in ], a contemporary of the Sikh Gurus.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=intro |title=Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:VaarPauri:SearchGurbani.com |publisher=Searchgurbani.com |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref>

The martial development by the Sikh Gurus is well documented, with the first master (Guru Nanak Dev) Ji, calling upon Sikhs to make a "ball of their head" to play the game of love. The second Guru (Guru Angad Dev) Ji encouraged physical activities of Sikhs by encouraging wrestling bouts and ]. The 6th Guru (Guru Hargobind Dev) Ji took up the ] and fought many battles against neighboring Rajputs and Mughals. The 9th Guru ] Ji fought many battles with the 6th Guru and was an accomplished martial artist. The 10th master Guru Gobind Singh Ji, was proficient in the art of ] as well as an accomplished ], ] and ]. The tenth Guru's maternal side of the family were accomplished warriors and fighters in their own right. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's maternal uncle, ] Ji served as a ] in ] Ji army and guided Guru Gobind Singh ji from an early age.

{{bquote|''The sacred sections of the Khatris'' :-There are four sacred sections among the Khatris, whose position must be touched upon, These are the:-
'''Bedi''' (Guru Nanak Dev) Ji of the Dharman-Bunjahi or Chota -Sarin sub group.<br />
'''Sodhi''' (Last seven Gurus) of the Chota Sarin sub-Group.<br />
'''Trehan''' (Guru Angad Dev) Ji of the Bara-Sarin sub group <br />
'''Bhalla''' (Guru Amar Das) Ji of the Bara-Sarin sub group.<br />
These four sections became sanctified by the births of the various Sikh Gurus to them<ref>Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H.A. Rose "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North-West Frontier Province", 1911 AD, Page 512, Vol II,</ref>}}

] (1756-1834), was tenth in direct descent from Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and much revered in Sikh times for his piety as well as for his martial prowess. He was born at ], ] district. At the time of ] Ranjit Singh's coronation at Lahore on April 11, 1801, Baba Sahib Singh Bedi placed the ] or mark of sovereignty on Ranjit Singh's forehead anoiting him Maharaja of Punjab.

], was a Khatri of the Trehan clan and a direct descendent of the second ] Guru Angad Dev Ji. Bhai Binod Singh was a devoted disciple of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and was one of the few Sikhs to accompany the tenth master to the South in 1708. Bhai Binod Singh fought many battles as a ] and was leader of the ], (True Khalsa). It was Bhai Binod Singh whose Tatt Khalsa declared the official Sikh ] to be ].

]- Was a Khatri of the ] clan and the "first" of the ]<br />. In the historic divan in the ] at ] on 30 March 1699, Bhai Daya Singh was the first to rise at the Guru's call and offer his head.

During the reign of ] ], the ] that was always ahead of other Misls and continuously moving ahead and helping other ] ]s was the ] ], founded and led by ] a ] ].

One head of the family Baba Tikka Baba Harbhajan Singh Bedi is based in Chandigarh, India. Tikka Baba Harbhajan Singh Bedi is the 16th Descendent in the bloodline starting from Guru Nanak Dev Ji with two sons Tikka Surjinder Singh Bedi and Kunwar Arvinder Singh Bedi. Arvinder Singh Bedi is blessed with two sons Tikka Nain Noor Singh Bedi and Kunwar Gagandeep Singh Bedi making the 18th current bloodline starting from Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Many Hindu Khatri families raised at least one Sikh son after the formation of the ] in 1699. This resulted in Khatri clan names being present in both Hindu and Sikh communities worldwide.

===Jain Khatris===

The number of Khatris who are ] is very small. However, one of the best known Jain munis in recent times, Acharya ] (also known as Shri ]<\ref>The Svetambar Murtipujak Jain Mendicant, by John E. Cort
Man, 1991 Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland.

===Muslim Khatris===
], aka Sikandar (1778-1841)]]
Majority of ] are ]. The ] Khatri ({{lang-ur|''' کهتری '''}}) are the Khatri converts to Islam. With the advent of Islam following invasions by ] tribes from ] and the ] from the 11th century onwards, there were conversions of Hindus to the faith from among various Punjabi communities, including Khatris.Generally they retained their tribal, clan or caste affiliations as has been the norm in the region. Similarly, the Khatris who converted to Islam, continue to retain a strong social identity and are known as '']s''.

Pakistan continues to have a prominent community of Khatris known as Punjabi Shaikhs as well as ]s. Some Muslim Khatris like the ],],],etc of Pakistan are examples of well-known and successful Muslim Khatris. They are also known as ], ] and ].

In addition to these ] speaking Muslim Khatris, the ]-speaking ] community are also of Khatri ancestry. Historically, this community lived in ], and other north Indian towns, but after the ], they have all moved to ].In ] also the ] ] are expanded to various occupations.

===Khatris in Central Asia===

The Khatris, along with Aroras and Lohanas engaged in trade in Central Asia.<ref>Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India By R.V. Russell, R.B.H. Lal, Re-Published 1995, Asian Educational Services</ref><ref>The Indian Diaspora in Central Asia and Its Trade, 1550-1900 By Scott Cameron Levi, Published 2002
BRILL</ref> The ] and the Hindu ] built and maintained by them still exist.

==Khatri Organizations==

The sessions of Akhil Bhartiya Khatri Mahasabha were held in Lucknow in 1916, 1936, 1952 and 1980. Lucknow Khatri Sabha was established in 1927 and publication Khatri Hitashi was started in 1936.<ref>The Indian Historical Review By Indian Council of Historical Research, Published 1982 Vikas Pub. House</ref>

==Divisions among the Khatris==

There are social divisions within the community which includes the ''Dhai-Ghar'' (2&1/2 Houses), ''Bara-Ghar'' (12 Houses), ''Bunjahi'' (52 Houses), Sarin and ] Khatris.<ref name="M.A"/>

The ''Bunjahi'' Khatris include the ] and ] clans, to which belonged the founders of the Sikh faith.

=== Divisions recorded in the ] ===
Divisions among the Khatri groups were reported by Emperor ]'s close adviser ] in his book ''Ain-i-Akbari'' (compiled in 1590 AD).<ref>Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H.A. Rose "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North-West Frontier Province", 1911 AD, Page 510, Vol II,</ref><ref>THE AÍN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZLALLÁMI, TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PERSIAN,BY
H. BLOCHMANN, M.A.AND COLONEL H. S. JARRETT Volume 111 Page 114 </ref>

There are several subdivisions within the Khatri clans. There are the ''Dhai Ghar'' (i.e. 2 1/2 houses - the number 3 being considered unlucky) grouping comprising of ]/]/Mehrota/], Khanna and Kapur/Kappor/Kapoor.<ref name="PR"> Castes and Religions of Punjab]</ref> Along with the ] clan these four subdivisions form the ''Char Ghar'' (4 houses) grouping.<ref name="M.A"/>

According to H.A. Rose's book, '''Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and NWFP''', ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ], all form the ] group of Khatris.

<ref name="M.A"/> Another group is called Bavanjai (52).<ref name="M.A"/> Other regional clan groupings include the Sarin and the Kukhran.

Regionally ], ], ], Chopra and ] were particularly connected with ]; ], ], Mehra, Seth, ], and ] with ]; ] with ] and Bahlolpur; ] and ] with ]; ] with ], Bhopalwala - Daska ] - Sialkot, Delhi & ] and Had and Cham with Khanna<ref>{{cite web|url=http://punjabrevenue.nic.in/fdigs.htm |title=Punjab District Gazeeters |publisher=Punjabrevenue.nic.in |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref>

===Kukhran===

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Kukhran (also spelt ''Khukhrain/Kukhrain'') are a regional subcaste of Khatris<ref name="M.A"/> of nine clans of Punjab, originally from the town of ] in the Jech doab (Jhelum - Chenab interfluve) region of ] district of Pakistani Punjab. A significant number of Kukhrans, along with other major Khatri groups, adopted Sikhism during the 18th and 19th centuries. The nine Kukhran family names are ], ], ], ], Kohli, ], ]/], ] and ]. The ], ] is a Kukhran of the ] clan.

==Origin of Khatri clans==
The ] clans,like ] and ] clans have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] origin. Because of this, these three tribes have ], ] and ] Lineage.

Please don't change this.It is mentioned in ], ] and ] that ] tribe is closely related to ] and ] tribes.It is also mentioned that These tribes have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] origin. So Damn request you do not remove, change anything in Khatri.
] (]) 09:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

What makes you so damn sure that the page for Jats and Ramgharia page on[REDACTED] is even accurate? who the heck are you to change this page, you provide no reliable edits, commments, or educated information. WHO do you you think you are removing my Discussion sections from this Discussion board you ignorant s__t????!!! I WILL ASK THE MODERATOR TO BAN YOU FROM THIS PAGE ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU REMOVE MY DISCUSSION sections without making a case or getting my approval first. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!??
--] (]) 13:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Please man ==

Please man don't get angry. Iam sorry .I quick response
] (]) 15:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


yea I know you're sorry. Your a sorry individual. You need to get a life, because you clearly show you have too much time on your hands if you just come here and try to act like you really are contributing to this article, but, infact, are just trying to be annoying on purpose to cause a fight. Its not hard to figure you out, you're definitely not the brightest of the lot I can tell you that much

--] (]) 17:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== God promise ==

My ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.My ancestors told continous generations of our family. God promise and my ancestors promise iam not lying man please believe me. How can be you so sure that my ancestors were not true.If iam taking God promise then you also think that iam lying? I want a quick response.
] (]) 15:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That's all fine and dandy that your ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak (more power to you my friend), however, that does not prove anything about what we are discussing here about the Khatri relationship to Aroras, and being of Indo-Aryan lineage.

--] (]) 18:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

According to my ancestors who were the relatives of ] , my ancestors told the continous generations of our family that ] are related to ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes.If these 6 tribes arre related to ] tribe and have ] origin, therefore it is true that ] Have ] origin.One more thing
According my ancestors,Aroras are not related to ] and ] are not of ] origin.

Therefore, it is proved that Khatris are not related to ], but ] are related to ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes. These 7 tribes ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] ancestral lineage.

God promise i always say the truth.I want quick reponse.
] (]) 08:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The Khatris are a prominent Indian community who settled in the ] and ] region of north-western Indian subcontinent during the ]. This region is of considerable historical significance in the development of the Indian culture since the composition of the ] and classics like the ], ] and ].

] are related to ], ], ], ], ] and ]. These tribes are descendants of ] (]). While all these tribes through generations before have common anscestors and share blood with ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] people, there is however a divided amongst them as far as when each settled (during different migration waves) in the North-West Frontier Province, Punjab and Kashmir regions. These groups share many ] with ], ], ], ], and ] groups. According to ], these tribes also have European lineage, as the ] is found in all these tribes.

Khatris have an extensive military tradition and have excelled in the ] having received many honors and gallantary awards for their service. Within the ''']''' (]) the present ], ] ] is Khatri and he took charge from another Khatri, ] ] ] who took charge from another Khatri, ] ].

For the most part, Khatris have served in the civil, government, and military sectors for centuries.<ref>As ]s</ref>. In addition, ] have significantly contributed to ] since the times of ] and continue to flourish in the arts today.

If iam taking God promise, then how can you say that Iam lying. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

All the Ten Sikh Gurus were Khatris from the Sodhi, Bedi, ] and ] clans which like other ] clans, claim ] ], ], ] and ] descent according to the autobiographical ] by Guru Gobind Singh.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=113 |title=Sri Dasam Granth Sahib |publisher=Sridasam.org |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref>

In ], it also reffered that ] are related to ], ], ], ], ] ] and ] tribes.
] (]) 17:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

After all this, then you also think that ] are not related ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes and like these 6 tribes, Khatris have Same common ancestral linage of ] tribes and share coomon blood with ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] tribes..<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=113 |title=Sri Dasam Granth Sahib |publisher=Sridasam.org |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref>
] (]) 17:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
] (]) 17:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Man please believe me.
] (]) 16:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
One more thing Khatris are related to ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes and ] are not related to ].I can prove this.Because ] are related to ].One more reason is that Many common surnames are cross-listed between ], ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes.One more reason is that My ancestors were the relatives of ], ], ], ] and ],in which ] and ] belonged to ] tribe, ] belonged to ] tribe, ] belonged to ] tribe of ] and ] belonged to ] ] family.Now can you trust me? Please man Iam not lying, I always tell the truth, my ancestors and God promise. My ancestors told the continous generations of our family that ] are related ], ], ], ] and ] tribes and these tribes are of ] (]), ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] Origin.These tribes also have ], ] and ] Ancestral lineage.
] (]) 21:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Request ==

Don't change this please request.
] (]) 09:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

ON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU MAKE YOUR CHANGES? YOU PROVIDE NO SUPPORT OR CITATIONS THAT CAN BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS FOR REMOVING CONTENT THAT HAS REFERENCES IN PLACE TO SUPPORT IT. I HAVE GIVEN YOU MANY WARNINGS......

--] (]) 14:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Man please believe me My ancestors promise if iam taking God promise and my ancestor promise then you also think that i am lying.Aroras are not related to Khatris but Aroras are related to Ahluwalia. Khatris are related to Jat, Tarkhan, Gujjar, Kamboj, Rajput, Lohar tribes. I want a quick response
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] (]) 15:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

One more thing Khatris are related to ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes and ] are not related to ].I can prove this.Because ] are related to ].One more reason is that Many common surnames are cross-listed between ], ], ] ], ], ], ] and ] tribes.One more reason is that My ancestors were the relatives of ], ], ], ] and ],in which ] and ] belonged to ] tribe, ] belonged to ] tribe, ] belonged to ] tribe of ] and ] belonged to ] ] family.Now can you trust me? Please man Iam not lying, I always tell the truth, my ancestors and God promise. My ancestors told the continous generations of our family that ] are related ], ], ], ] and ] tribes and these tribes are of ] (]), ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] Origin.These tribes also have ], ] and ] Ancestral lineage...<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=113 |title=Sri Dasam Granth Sahib |publisher=Sridasam.org |date= |accessdate=2008-11-15}}</ref>
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] (]) 15:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I 100% agree with this man.He is right in my family also my relatives are of ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] tribes.

] (]) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Me to man.

] (]) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I also support this person.
] (]) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

We senior citizens support this man.
] (]) 08:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I went to ] ] where I came to know that ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] people had common ancestors through generations, who were of ] origin.
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== Name of Khatri Sikhs ==

Khatri Sikhs are also called ]s and ] ], because of the relation of ] tribe with the ] and ] ] tribes.
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== What is your problem ==

What is your problem man, why don't you understand.You also do not respond to my suggestions.KHATRIS ARE THE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF INDO-SCITHYANS AND KHATRIS ARE CLOSELY RELATED TO JATTS, RAJPUT, TARKHAN, GUJJAR, LOHAR, KAMBOJ TRIBES.Khatris are not related to Aroras, But Aroras are related to Ahluwalia, Mohyal and Mazhabi people. Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin and Khatris are not of Kshaitrya origin. Thats it. ''']'''
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== List of anonymous IP s used by Cranks to post on this article ==

I have reintroduced this section , as a very large no of anonymous ips continue to post junk on this page . <br>
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Perhaps they may respond to posts on their Discusssion page recording a history of their vandal edits on variou articles .<nr>

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] (]) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
] (]) 10:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

== All Khatri clans are related to Tarkhan and Jatt tribe.Khatri clans are not related to Arora clans. ==

] and ] tribe.The ] clans, ] clans and ] clans have common ] origin.All the clans of these three tribes are found all the parts of world.People of all the ] clans and some ] and ] clans are found among Punjabi ], Punjabi ] and ].These clans of these three tribes are found as a majority in Punjab of Pakistan.] tribe is not found in Punjab of Pakistan.The Arora tribe is different from The ], ] and ] tribes.So, I request you not remove any topic to related to Relation ], ] and ] tribes.also, do not remove or change the ], ] and ] clans and I also request you not change any article related to ], ], ].Because, according to the census of 1951 to 2001,it is reported that many ] people of all 52 clans of ] tribe(Including Khukhran ]) are living along with ] and ] are living All the parts of Pakistan ,Northern India and other parts of world.The relegions followed by the people of all the clans of these three tribes are ](Both ] and ]), ] and ].I am not threatening you, but your actions of removing topics from the articles (Mentioned above) makes me angry.Please don't get angry.I like your website Misplaced Pages.if you are getting angry, for that I am sorry.But I want to know ,why you are removing the information ?
] (]) 12:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
He is right please accept this.
--]

This man is absolutely 100% right.Please do add this.
''']'''

I have also read in a history book which tells that Khatris are related to Jat, Tarkhan, Rajput, Gujjar, Kamboj and Lohar tribes.

== Sorry man ==

Please man don't protect this page I request you i will never do this again.I want a quick response. I am Sorry . I apologize . But please don't do this.my name is msnanda.
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when was the last time you got laid bro? you have way too much time on your hands. Go get a girlfriend, and stop being so bored in life. You know everyone on this page can tell you are a loner right?
--] (]) 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

First thing iam a 10 year old boy. Can you do one thing, just remove the protection.
]] (]) 13:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

:Wait out the protection and go do something else for the time being. ] ] 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Remove Aroras ==

Please just remove that ] tribe is related to ] tribe and add that ]s are closely related to ], ], ], ], ] and ] tribes<ref>http://yawiki.org/proc/Jat#4</ref>.These 7 tribes also have ] origin along with ], ] and ] lineage as ] is found in These 7 tribes.]--] (]) 11:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
] (]) 11:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


Why are you so adament on removing this, when you provide no citations for your bogus facts? You cannot use other Wiki pages to as support/citations since these themselves are inputted by users like you and me. I suggest you refrain from making anymore edits to this page, you clearly are not a positive contributor.
--] (]) 14:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

:If Msnanda is going to make these bogus edits when the protection ends, then the page will have to be protected again. This is why it got protected in the first place, to force discussion to the talk page which is happening above. ] ] 14:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

OK iam sorry i will never do this.But just remove the names of all the tribes amd write that Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin.<ref>http://www.jattworld.com/portal/modules/newbb_plus/archive.php?forum=3&topic_id=2894</ref>
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] (]) 08:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Man how can you say that my ancestors were wrong.How do you know that
While Aroras and Ahluwalias had common ancestors.
First of all my family use the surname nanda,but my real surname is Virdi. and i am a Khatri, my cousins either have Jat, Ramgarhia or Khatri surnames.Now can you believe me.
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] (]) 18:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Historians derive "]" fom "Gatae", "Ahir" from "Avar", "Saka" from "Scythii", "] and ]" from "Khazar",
"] and ]" from "Tukharian", "]" from "Saura Matii" or "Sarmatians", "]" (a ] clan)
from "Sassanian" <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Please man believe me.iam not lying. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I need an answer.]
] (]) 13:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
It also referred in ] that ]s are not related ]s and ]s are related to ] tribe.
]] (]) 11:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Iam gonna change it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

You ain't gonna change jack sh*t you loser using IP 122.173.7.136! Don't even try it son, you will get torched

--] (]) 15:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Listen ].I just want to tell you Khatris are related to Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj people. Why don't you understand.Many times I have told you that my ancestors were the relatives of ]. Guru Nanak Dev Ji told our relatives and our relatives and ancestors told the continous generations of the family that Khatris are closely related to Jatt, Tarkhan, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj tribes. My cousins or the relatives either are Jatt having Khatri , Ramgarhia, Jatt, Lohar , Gujjar, and Kamboj surnames, Ramgarhia of Khatri, Jatt, Lohar, Kamboj, Gujjar ad Rajput surnames and so on. So the why don't you believe me, 100 times i told you the same thing. One more thing i forgot to tell you that Aroras were a part of Ahluwalia tribe during the formation of Khalsa. The Ahluwalia people, who migrated to Aror/Arorkot, Sindh came to be known as Aroras. Than you still want to prove that Khatris are related Aroras. Why you want this?Aroras and Ahluwalias had common ancestors, while the Khatris, Jatts, Tarkhan people, Gujjar, Rajputs, Lohars and Kamboj people had common ancestors.One more thing is that Khatri, jatt, Ramgarhia, Lohar, Kamboj, Gujjar and Rajput people have ] and ] origin origin.While the Aroras Ahluwalias have only ] origin. Still you don't believe me, than reply--] (]) 07:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

What the hell are you doing. Not Responding.HAHAHAHA man I am your friend. Why don't you reply. You have no answer.I know you want me to change this page.--] (]) 07:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Look ],lets just be friendly.I just told you my ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and my some ancestors were Also Jatt, Ramgarhia, Rajput, Lohar, Khatri, Gujjar, Kamboj people.Why don't you understand me you never reply until and unless i change something on this page.What is the problem with you man.please man i am begging in front of you.Please reply--] (]) 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

What the hell!Listen, you don't know how to answer my Question.Why don't you answer--] (]) 22:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Khatris and Europeans==
Someone has inserted:

:The ] clans,like ] and ] clans have ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] origin. Because of this, these three tribes have ], ] and ] Lineage.

It does not make sense.

Khatris are similar to other communities in Pothohar and nearby regions and are associated with some of the supposed "aryan" attributes like a lighter skin. Afghans too were aryan (and Hindu). That does not make them similar to Europeans. Ultimately, all the humanity is interrelated.

What is this fascination with Europeans?

It is totally misleading to include European maps. Khatris are people mainly from the Indian subcontinent, although like many other Indians, a few of them have emigrated overseas.--] (]) 17:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::*'''Agree''' with ISKapoor further'''
::::'''This article needs some serious deletion of superfluous and uncorroborated content'''.
::::*The inclusion of the abundant collection of flags is simply self-indulgent tripe .
::::* The relation with Indo Scythian seems like ] , unless substantiated with references from verifiable and credible sources .
::::*Lastly the obsessive insertions linking Khatris with Jats and Tarkhan , and delinking with Aroras , whats this about ?
Seems like a funny fixation/obsession with a user who keep posting exactly this type of content on scores of pages , un accompanied as it is without with proper citations .
] (]) 01:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You are right man . Khatris are not europeans,but they also not related to Aroras.I telll you my ancestors were the relatives of Guru Nanak Dev ji and my relatives are either Jatt, Khatri or ramgarhia.the different thing is that Khatris are of ] origin. Khatris have close genetic and ethnic relations with Jatt, Ramgarhia, Rajput, Lohar, Gujjar and Kamboj people.Please man trust me God promise iam not lying.Reply fast--] (]) 14:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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:::: lol ....why dident you say earlier !<br>
:::: Cheers ] (]) 06:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Needs to be reorganized ==

The article is well written, but should follow the[REDACTED] guidelines and improve on the organisation of the article. All editors are therefore requested to take appropriate steps in re-organizing the article and make it more reader friendly. The article has been written more haphazardly which may confuse the readers. Cheers ] (]) 06:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dubious claims ==

I find this hard to believe that the 'Khatirs' had a European connection. This is a dubious claim. The reference given also does not seem to be promising. I am looking for a more comprehensive and satisfying explanation for this. A more authentic reference or a source will suffice my queries and doubts.] (]) 07:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Iam not saying that Khatris have connection with Europeans. My ancestors were the Realtives of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and my ancestors told that Khatris are related to Jatts, Rajputs, Gujjars, Lohars, Tarkhans and Kamboj people.These Seven tribes are the descendants of Indo-Scythians. You know that Indo-Scyhtians came from Siberia, so it can be possible that Khatri have european connections.No European but some Central Asian connections.But it is sure that Khatris have no relations with Aroras.Because Aroras have genetic relations with Ahluwalias. Khatris and Aroras are different people.Please Believe me.--] (]) 16:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


::::''''Strongly Agree with ]<br>
::::If dubious claims continue unsubstantiated all such content should be removed'''
] (]) 07:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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This user is a serial vandal and nonsense posting user .<br>
Every single post over many articles are simply .<br>
This includes its european connection posts and other pet obsessions .<br>
] (]) 07:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

OK I am gonna remove it.--] (]) 08:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

OK i apologize please i am MSNANDA.--] (]) 17:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


== {{la|Khatri}} ==

Request unprotection and let give unprotection a try. --] (]) 23:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC). Thats it.--] (]) 08:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


I say no way to your request KJTRGKL.....you're a huge trouble maker to this article. You do not deserve to make any changes, since you provide no citations. I think the contributors to this page have spoken, and they agree with me.

--] (]) 05:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)--] (]) 05:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

:'''This protection is not an endorsement of the current version.''' Claims made without verifiable source may be removed but it doesn't mean current version is supported by any wikipedian contributor. <br>And to {{User|KhatriNYC}}, please read ], Edit summary is important field. You can not just revert other user's edit without explaining the reason for it. is evidence of your irresponsible behavior and harsh statements directed towards fellow editors. These are not accepted practice at Misplaced Pages. Please read ] too. If you do not follow the guidelines or bite newcomers or make harsh comments towards other editors then I will recommend your block from Misplaced Pages. Thanks!!!!! ]] 07:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Iam sorry but do one thing just remove the names of all the tribes.] (]) 15:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Iam back] (]) 05:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

]s are of ] and ] (])<ref>http://jatts.com/bolo/overview/</ref><ref>http://india.smashits.com/wikipedia/Saka</ref><ref>fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/237e558846bb32c0872569cf005986ae!OpenDocument</ref> origin. Therefore, ]s are closely related (both genetically and ethnically) to these other tribes who are of ]s (]) origin - ]s/]s, ] (]), ], ], ] and ]. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Praise the lord, Msnanda is back.....we all here missed you terribly, we were quite lost without you. We're so happy you have returned that we cannot express our joy enough. What has happend to your alter user name....err, i mean your cousin??

--] (]) 14:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry ] is a pshycho and i completely apoligise on the behalf of me and my cousin.SORRY. ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

{{tl|editprotected}}--] (]) 13:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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Please unprtect the page ].--] (]) 13:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:{{ESp|n}} I suggest you request it at ], but I doubt it will be unprotected due to the level of dispute at the moment. &mdash; ]<sup><font color="purple">]</font></sup> 14:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

===={{la|Khatris}}====
Sir Please, unprotect the page ]--] (]) 16:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

===={{la|Khatris}}====
Sir please, can you give me a chance for editing the page ] by Unprotecting the page? Please Sir unprotect the page.--] (]) 07:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Sir please--] (]) 16:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== About ] ==

To the best of my knowledge, every single contribution by ] is vandalism. He has inserted arbitrary and michievious information in ] and ] pages.--] (]) 19:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Please Help ! ==

Someone, please unprotect the page.--] (]) 07:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest leaving this page locked indefinitely. Msnanda is a trouble maker who disrupts this page repeatidly. Look at his history of posts if you need proof. With the urging of others, please keep this page locked or ban Msnanda from this page. He changes the page without any disucssion, and then I have to always revert it back to the original. Thanks!

--] (]) 14:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Mr ] iam sorry now iam gonna discuss things before editing them. Please believe me. But unprotect the page.--] (]) 21:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Some Source pages ==

<ref>http://jatts.com/bolo/overview/</ref><ref>http://india.smashits.com/wikipedia/Saka</ref><ref>fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/237e558846bb32c0872569cf005986ae!OpenDocument</ref> are some of the source pages, please check them if you want to, than answer that whether i write that Khatris are of indo-scythian origin and are related to Jats, Tarkhans, Gujjars, Lohars, Rajputs and Kambojas or i write nothing.--] (]) 07:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== RPP ==

I am requesting for page protection for all related articles as well.
Msnanda seems desperate to edit this article JUST to inflate his count. --] (]) 10:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No Mr ], iam not doing anything against you please believe me i want to be friendly with you. --] (]) 14:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
{{tlx|adoptme|20090801145908}}--] (]) 14:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::Please use {{tl|adoptme}} on your ]. Regards ''']]''' 13:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Better Version of the article page==
Many references and citations from verifiable and reliable sources have been removed from this page<br>
by various users .Here's a that carried these references .<br>
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== there are other khatri clans (NUKH) ==

i could not find the nukh/clans of khatri living almost many other parts of world. total nukh are 96, out of 17 nukh have been not mentioned in[REDACTED] encyclopedia. e.i. mando, dandu, sonija, dara, wada, chhatpat, bheda, gela, wade, khowa, danver etc. if some one interested i can give ful list of 17 clans/nukh. i am mando and muslim khatri, living in usa. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== I would suggest to remove the total world population figures.... ==


on the grounds that these numbers on represent the people REPORTED, and not the total population. there is a big difference between people who surveyed and reported themselves as Khatris vs. those who did not take the survey at all from the Joshua Project. My guess is the total Khatris in the world is much greater then '''3.5 million''', considered the fact that India alone has '''1.3 billion''' people. Thanks

--] (]) 15:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

==Description of "Khatri Caste" from the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA by Government of Indian State of Punjab, India==

{{cquote| ''Khatris''. – Khatri is a popular variant of the Sanskrit word Kashtrya<ref>, Homepage: </ref><ref> (First Edition 1976)</ref><ref></ref>, which was used to describe the warrior caste among the Hindu according to the varanashram propounded by the Shastras. In course of time as a result of economic and political exigencies, however, the Khatris also resorted to mercantile occupations, which were originally adopted by the Vaisas, the trading classes.<br>
Like Brahmans there are further sub-divisions amongst Khatris-Bannjais, Sarin, Dhaigharas, chargharas, etc. in the reign of Alaudin Khiliji widoe re-marriage was enforced. Fifty-two castes of Khatris are said to have submitted a memorandum, duly signed, to the Emperor. The signatory castes are called Banjais. Certain castes of eastern Punjab refused to sign the memorandum and were called Shari-Ain, later corrupted to that of Sarin. The Khokhrain baradari is said to consist of the descendants of certain families of Khatris who were believed to have joined the Khokhars in a rebellion and with them other Khatri families were loath to have matrimonial relations. The Bahri section of the descendants of Mehr Chand, Khan Chand and Kapur Chand, three Khatris who went to Delhi in attandance upon one of Akhar’s Rajput wives, and who thus separated from rest of the Khatri castes, married only within each other’s families.8 (8.These appear to be conjectural for the same division appears among the Brahmans of western plains.) the number of the members of this caste is fairly large. The more prominenty, however, in point of social rank are the Mehra or Mehrotra, Khanna, Kapur and the Seth sub-castes.<br>
Prior to partition certain castes, such as churamani, Nanda. Khullar, Jerath, Chopra and Vig were particularly associated with Ludhiana ; Bahl, Kapur, Mehra, Seth, Beri Sencher and Dhir with jagraon ; Batte, sondhi and Karir with Machhiwara and Bahlolpur ; sehgal and Thapar with Rai kot and Had and Cham with Khanna. After partition different castes of Khatris have been widely dispersed with the result that it is very difficult to ascertain their numbers caste-wise, especially because compilation of statistics according to castes has been discontinued since 1947.<br>
Khatris are generally mild in disposition. They are mostly literate and law abiding.
Khatris in the district are a great commercial class. They have also made their mark in industry. In Payal sub-tahsil they are generally land-owners. They also engage themselves in Government or private service<ref>, Accessed on November 15, 2008; Homepage: </ref>}}

'''Source:''' ''Castes, People, GAZETTEER LUDHIANA, Department of Revenue, Government of Punjab (India)''<ref>, Accessed on November 15, 2008; Homepage: </ref>


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] (]) 00:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE???!!!! ==



STOP MESSING AROUND WITH THIS PAGE. YOU LEAVE ME NO CHOICE, I am not going to consult an admin to re-lock this article.

--] (]) 16:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

==Article needs some reorganization==

The article needs some reorganization. Some of the text is questionable (like the Aryan migration etc).

Some information needs to be added regarding history. Some books like Prof. Puri's 1988 book should be a good guide.

Photographs should be only of individuals who have made timeless contributions. There are too many Khatri actors. Rajkapoor is worthy of inclusion. But what is special about Kareena Kapoor (although she is charming)?--] (]) 17:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

::Let me try to assist in that during the next few months.--] (]) 00:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

* I think Joshua Project information is highly suspect. I would not trust it as a source unless supported by a reliable source.--] (]) 06:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

=="Tribes of Indo-Scythians (Saka) origin"==

There has been a recent theory, promoted by some Pakistanis and Khalistanis, that people of Punjab are actually "Saka" and are thus different from other supposedly inferior Hindus. This ridiculus theory has been embedded in several Misplaced Pages articles.

Here is an example: see by Mr. Farhan Siddiqui, who has been at it for many year.

Please remove such inserts when you come across them.--] (]) 18:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

==Khatris in Afghanistan==

Article says:

:Some ] Khatris have migrated to ] (], ]) and speak languages like ], ], ], while some Hindu and Sikh Khatris also live in Afghanistan and are involved mostly in the mercantile business.

Truth is that Khatris have been Afghanistan and nearby regions long before emegance of Pakistan. Remember that Afghanistan has had many Kshatriya rulers, see ].--] (]) 18:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

==Vandalism by KhatriNYC==

Please watch out for vandalism by KhatriNYC (you can be fairly sure that he is neither a Khatri, nor someone familiar with Khatri heritage). He has been inserting frivolus and bogus information, and deleting carefully added information from the article.] (]) 14:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh quite it man, you're the one who is a bogus Khatri, not me. I know my Khatri/Kshatriya heritage. You are the one is lost here buddy. What I delete is information you or others have posted, without first discussing it on the information board before inserting your data. First discuss, and if the majority meets the approval, then you can edit the article. All I do is place the article back into the original format point where all information entered up to that point was discussed, approved and citated/referenced correctly. Now, what ya got playa?

--] (]) 17:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

ISKapoor, I think my last post above was a little heated, so I will cool it down. Lets both be civilized here-- why don't you list all the changes you want to make and give a reason why so that we can understand your basis for them. Sound good?

--] (]) 19:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

ISKapoor, how could you even think that the total Khatri population is 3,438,000 people. given that india alone has over a 1 billion people, that would mean Khatris only make up .3%. thats not 3% you read, thats '''.3%''' (point three percent.....basically less then 1%) of the total Khatri population in India and Pakistan. That is just an uneducated number to post and without and merit, so i would recommend taking that off.

--] (]) 21:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:The population data was inserted by someone else.

:KhatriNYC has been removed well known, well cited material, include that based on ] by ]. The association of Mohyals (who are Saraswat brahmins) with Khatris and specially the Sikh Gurus is well known and documented. Please see ] article. I am not sure what is the motivation of KhatriNYC. Perhaps he is a Khalistan supporter?--] (]) 05:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

:Please also see ], a Mohyal clan specially associated with the Sikh Gurus for several generations.--] (]) 05:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

ISKapoor, you can add that stuff information about ] by ], but only after my post, since this will put it in par with the original format of information before many uncited data posts were put.

--] (]) 14:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==Joshua Project==
I haven't read through most of this dispute or seen a lot of the edit warring in the histories but I noticed that the Joshua Project website was used as a reference for the Khatri populations. I would strongly recommend against using it and doubt it can be considered a reliable source. Even on the website it says ''This data may contain errors and needs continual correcting and updating. Click here to send feedback.'' Also it has ulterior motives such as Evangelizing and has no academic credibility. <b><font color="teal">]</font></b>''<sup><font color="teal">]</font></sup>'' <sup><b><font color="teal">]</font></b></sup> 12:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

==Watch for inserts by 122.162.98.9==

He claims: "]" is derived from from "Khazar"!--] (]) 02:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Number of Khatris in Pakistan?==

Thre are apparently some Pakistanis of Khatri origin. However I have found no evidence that the number is greater than Khatris in Australia, UK, canada etc.

Some of the ] are apparently of ] origin, thus they do not count.

Inicidentaly Census of India, 1901, Volume 17, Part 1, gives the population distribution of Hindu and Sikh khatris as 227,421 and 34006. No mention of Muslim khatris. The book explicitly declares that a Khatri does not remain a khatri after conversion, but becomes a Khoja. Problem is that Khojas include converts from many communities not just Khatri.

--] (]) 00:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== WHAT THE HELLLLLL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!???? ==



where the hell do you guys get off changing this page from its original state without first discussing your changes on the board first???? I am reporting all of you users who made changes in the last few days to and admin, who will then block you.

Also, why was the article titled "list of Khatri surnames" deleted????

WHY IS THERE SO MANY PEOPLE JEALOUS AND ENVIOUS TOWARDS KHATRIS THAT THEY MESS WITH THIS PAGE SO MUCH? GET OVER IT YOUR WEIRDOS!

--] (]) 04:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:You are being disruptive on this page. There is no envy on the part of anyone else, but your en masse reverts of every editor's contributions is clearly edit warring and disruptive. You do not cite any reason for your changes except that these edits weren't made by you and therefore need to be discussed. -<span style="color:#B13E0F">SpacemanSpiff</span><sup>]&#8225;]</sup> 17:28, 9 September
2009 (UTC)


NO Spacemanstiff, you are wrong here and you know it. people come to this page and change it without even discussing their changes first. I merely put it back to its original state. And if you want to make a change, first discuss it, and then post the change. I will be reporting you to a high wiki admin since you seem to be abusing powers by warning me, when I do nothing wrong other then place an article in its original state, before users come and modify it with their changes, without first discussing or giving reasons why they are making changes. Good day to you sir!--

] (]) 19:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Clean up on 2009-09-11 ==

Here are a few things I've done with this clean up:
# Remove English as language - this section is for native languages, not what people can speak.
# Remove dup link in ref2
# Remove lede sentence on region of Mahabharata etc - it should only be covered and referenced in the article if at all
# Change distinguished in section header for list to notable; change list link to MOS title
I've also added citation needed tags to significant statements that need verification. -<span style="color:#B13E0F">SpacemanSpiff</span><sup>]&#8225;]</sup> 15:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Once again ==

This page is a nightmare. Every editor wants to present a POV and remove anything that goes against their view. Right now, ISKapoor has reverted my clean up with a load of junk included in the article with an edit summary "ref added":
# English is a native language of Khatris - really? Show one RS ref for that
::True, it is not a native language of Khatris in India, excet in some rare cases. --] (]) 01:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
# Added back a link to an article deleted by AfD
# Removed all unfree image tags with no explanation (this is bordering on vandalism)
# Removed citation needed tags without adding any (vandalism)
::I have added some citations. I have a collection of books on the subject. Please let me know if any other citations are needed.--] (]) 02:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
# Deleted all MOS corrections
Seriously, stop making edits that have no value. -<span style="color:#B13E0F">SpacemanSpiff</span><sup>]&#8225;]</sup> 01:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


==Baij Nath Puri==
:Ok, my apologies for being a bit hasty, but given the history of this page, I didn't expect you to follow up after the revert. As long as the cite tags are addressed with cites, that's perfectly fine by me. However, see the revert diff to find all the image tags, dab link corrections, double redirect corrections you have removed and the MOS changes. -<span style="color:#B13E0F">SpacemanSpiff</span><sup>]&#8225;]</sup> 02:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Baij Nath Puri has published a glorifying account of the Khatri caste. Citing his aggrandising works here is therefore not appropriate and would be equal to citing works of J.N Yadav or V.K Khedekar for the ] page! See what other scholars have to say about him. {{cite book | last=Bayly | first=S. | title=Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age | publisher=Cambridge University Press | series=Cambridge history ebook collection | year=2001 | isbn=978-0-521-79842-6 | url=https://books.google.com/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC | access-date=2024-12-28 | page=329}} {{blockquote|As recently as 1988, a polemicist representing himself as an Oxford-trained Indian 'socio-historian' published an account of the supposed origins and heritage of north India's Khatris. Today, as in the past, those who call themselves Khatri favour the livelihoods of the pen and the ledger. In the colonial period, however, Khatri caste associations extolled the heritage of their 'community' as one of prowess and noble service (seva), claiming that their dharmic essence was that of the arms-bearing Kshatriya and therefore quite unlike that of the commercial Agarwals and other pacific Vaishyas. These same themes were recapitulated by the author of the 1988 text: the Khatris, 'one of the most acute, energetic, and remarkable race in India', are heirs to a glorious martial past, 'pure descendants of the old Vedic Kshatriyas'. The writer even tries to exalt Khatris above Rajputs, whose blood he considers 'impure', being supposedly mixed with that of 'inferior' Kols or 'aborigines': in his view only Khatris are 'true representatives of the Aryan nobility'.}}
The footnote :- {{tq|Puri 1988: 3, 78, 163, 166. The writer appeals to the Khatri 'race' to 'wake up' and cherish their heritage as 'followers of the Hindu Dharma Sastras' (5). Above all they should guard against 'hybridising', i.e. marrying non-Khatris (166). These views closely resemble those of pre-Independence race theorists (see Chapters 3-4). Compare Seth 1904}}
- ] (]) 10:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:I've re-added one part using an independent source. - ] (]) 11:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Baij Nath Puri

Baij Nath Puri has published a glorifying account of the Khatri caste. Citing his aggrandising works here is therefore not appropriate and would be equal to citing works of J.N Yadav or V.K Khedekar for the Yadav page! See what other scholars have to say about him. Bayly, S. (2001). Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age. Cambridge history ebook collection. Cambridge University Press. p. 329. ISBN 978-0-521-79842-6. Retrieved 2024-12-28.

As recently as 1988, a polemicist representing himself as an Oxford-trained Indian 'socio-historian' published an account of the supposed origins and heritage of north India's Khatris. Today, as in the past, those who call themselves Khatri favour the livelihoods of the pen and the ledger. In the colonial period, however, Khatri caste associations extolled the heritage of their 'community' as one of prowess and noble service (seva), claiming that their dharmic essence was that of the arms-bearing Kshatriya and therefore quite unlike that of the commercial Agarwals and other pacific Vaishyas. These same themes were recapitulated by the author of the 1988 text: the Khatris, 'one of the most acute, energetic, and remarkable race in India', are heirs to a glorious martial past, 'pure descendants of the old Vedic Kshatriyas'. The writer even tries to exalt Khatris above Rajputs, whose blood he considers 'impure', being supposedly mixed with that of 'inferior' Kols or 'aborigines': in his view only Khatris are 'true representatives of the Aryan nobility'.

The footnote :- Puri 1988: 3, 78, 163, 166. The writer appeals to the Khatri 'race' to 'wake up' and cherish their heritage as 'followers of the Hindu Dharma Sastras' (5). Above all they should guard against 'hybridising', i.e. marrying non-Khatris (166). These views closely resemble those of pre-Independence race theorists (see Chapters 3-4). Compare Seth 1904 - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I've re-added one part using an independent source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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