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| == Congratulations == | |||
| ]<small><sup>]</sup>]</small> 00:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)]] | |||
| :Congrats! ''']''' ] 01:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Indeed; congrats and best of luck. –''']''' | ] 01:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Congratulations! <span style="font-family:Segoe Print;">] <sup>] • ]</sup></span> 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :<u>Major</u> congrats! ] (]) 02:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think you get a week of paternity leave. It's in the admin contract. See you back here soon. :P ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 02:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Congratulations! Take as much time as you can with your new addition because the years go by fast. The little tyke will be borrowing your credit card and staying out past curfew before you know it. ] (]) 03:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Excellent news, congratulations! Now focus on fun with the family, as Boris wisely says. Time flies! . . ], ] 08:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thank you, all! ] <sup>]</sup> 14:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Congratulations! 8lb 9oz is a big little guy. All the best to the mom. ] ] 17:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, he's a moose. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Big time congratulations! All the best, nothing in the world compares -...] (]) 22:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Congratulations! Life will never be the same :) ] (]) 23:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You're in for some fun times. Good luck. :) ]<sub>(])</sub> 23:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Congratulations from me too. You will be very familar with nappies in the next months, perhalps too familiar. Good luck with it! ] (]) 00:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| (Outdent) Wonderful new, enjoy! I wish you and your family the best in everything. --]] 15:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :: All the best <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] <small>]</small></span> 16:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == 2009 flu pandemic == | |||
| Em, congratulations! Please move the following text to the article talk or elsewhere if you think appropriate. | |||
| You asked SandyGeorgia for some advice on going to FAC. I've not (yet) written any medical FAs but I'm working on it, and I've reviewed quite a few. I've really struggled with this article because it is unlike any medical article I've read. There are sections that are plain disease-article sections but half of it is current affairs, historical analysis and what-we-think-we-know information. I'll start with some comments on the sources. | |||
| The sources include some medical journals but mostly newspapers, CDC reports, WHO press releases and news-wire reports. ] doesn't recommend newspapers for medical facts. In order to meet FAC's "professional standards of ... sourcing", I think the medical facts about influenza (characteristics, symptoms and severity, vaccination, treatment, epidemiology, historical pandemics) should be sourced per ] to professional medical journals and books. The CDC/WHO reports can be considered primary sources on the state of scientific knowledge/advice about pandemic influenza as it happened. Newspapers shouldn't be used if they are just covering the same ground as the official reports, but sometimes they are useful for interviews or government statements not otherwise published. Most of the newspapers look to be quality broadsheets, but I see some local newspapers, FOX News and some TV video clips being used. | |||
| Some of the sources will date quickly. For example, the sources of virus characteristics date from May 2009. Some just seem inappropriate. We have the CEO of Smithfield Foods being cited for the "Origin is unknown" statement. I see one blog (virology.blog). Some of the sources aren't static. The "Swine flu latest" on www.nhs.uk is continually updated. The WHO Situation Updates webpage is really just a contents page to a series of weekly updates. | |||
| At times the article reads a bit like a US government fact sheet. There's a lot of "the CDC recommends this", "the CDC estimates that", "the CDC reports that". As a UK reader, it leaves me alienated, thinking this is a US article. Is this style encyclopaedic? Sometimes, it is necessary to document what officials said at the time, but other times we should just state facts as facts. For example, in the Virus Characteristics section, why do we say "A study at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, published in May 2009, found " and later "In July 2009, the CDC noted that most infections were ..." Surely an encyclopaedia would just state the virus characteristics, without attributing the research in the body text or dating it? | |||
| Back to the FA considerations. I'm not sure that pushing this to FA is either possible or desirable. That's just my current impression and I'm willing to listen to objections. With sourcing, for example, there's a jump between what is acceptable for WP:V and what is considered "professional" for FA. This is the very essence of an article where everyone thinks they can add something. It needs to be bang-up-to-date so can't hang around for some review in the Lancet. This continual insertion of updates means it is more a collection of information, grouped by section, than an article that has been planned and flows through a story. The multi-author aspect is what is great about WP but too many cooks can spoil an FA. If this were to achieve FA, I'd worry that folk would be so determined to maintain the high standards, that new information was rejected because the sourcing was mediocre, it wasn't great prose or that it was tacked on the end of some unrelated paragraph. Perhaps there are some current-affairs FAs that prove me wrong here? I suspect that to maintain FA standards, the article would need a full time WikiDoc with access to the latest information in the BMJ, NEJM, Lancet and other journals. | |||
| A quick search on PubMed found the following articles which may be useful. These are just from the first few pages of results going back to September. There are pages and pages of relevant results that could be mined. I haven't looked at the full-text of these articles -- just the PubMed listing. | |||
| Sorry this is a bit rambling and negative. I actually think this is a good article and an good example of WP editors working to report a current topic well. I'm just not sure that FA is the appropriate destination. ]°] 21:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| *Scalera NM, Mossad SB. The first Pandemic of the 21st Century: A Review of the 2009 Pandemic Variant Influenza A (H1N1) Virus. ''Postgrad Med.'' 2009 Sep;121(5):43-47. PMID 19820273. | |||
| *Armstrong C. CDC Releases Guidelines on H1N1 Vaccination and Prevention of Seasonal Influenza. ''Am Fam Physician.'' 2009 Oct 1;80(7):744. PMID 19817344. | |||
| *Keogh-Brown MR, Wren-Lewis S, Edmunds WJ, Beutels P, Smith RD. The possible macroeconomic impact on the UK of an influenza pandemic. ''Health Econ.'' 2009 Oct 8. PMID 19816886. | |||
| *Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2009 Oct 9;58(39):1100-1. PMID 19816398. | |||
| *Thompson WW, Moore MR, Weintraub E, Cheng PY, Jin X, Bridges CB, Bresee JS, Shay DK. Estimating influenza-associated deaths in the United States. ''Am J Public Health.'' 2009 Oct;99 Suppl 2:S225-30. PMID 19797736. | |||
| *Gordon SM. ''Cleve Clin J Med.'' 2009 Oct;76(10):577-82. PMID 19797457. | |||
| *Peiris JS, Tu WW, Yen HL. A novel H1N1 virus causes the first pandemic of the 21(st) Century. ''Eur J Immunol.'' 2009 Sep 29. PMID 19790188. | |||
| *Pratt RJ. The global swine flu pandemic 1: exploring the background to influenza viruses. ''Nurs Times.'' 2009 Sep 1-7;105(34):18-21. PMID 19788110. | |||
| *Cordova-Villalobos JA, Sarti E, Arzoz-Padres J, Manuell-Lee G, Romero J, Kuri-Morales PA. ''Health Res Policy Syst.'' 2009 Sep 28;7(1):21. PMID 19785747. | |||
| *Kieny MP. ''Bull World Health Organ.'' 2009 Sep;87(9):653-4. PMID 19784443. | |||
| *Wise J. BMJ. 2009 Sep 25;339:b3969. doi: 10.1136/bmj.b3969. PMID 19783577. | |||
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| ::Thank you so much. Due to events identified above, I am going to be taking a break, just popping in occasionally for a little maintenance, but nothing too heavy. Perhaps when I have more time the pandemic will be history, and then we can get it up to FA. Your advice makes good sense. Best regards, ] <sup>]</sup> 02:56, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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