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== Thanks again for all the high quality contributions ==
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:9. ] (Jun 23,2008-Jul 31,2008)<br> ''']''' has been identified as an '''''Awesome Wikipedian''''',<br />
:10. ] (Jul31,2008-Aug 4,2008)<br> and therefore, I've officially declared today as ]!<br />
You have made remarkable contributions to the project,<br />
and the editors and readers of those pages are and always will be grateful to you for them.<br /> We all look forward to seeing you return and continue in such development. <br/>Thank you again for your outstanding efforts at article development.


Peace,<br /> ] (]) 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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:Thanks from me to and thanks for trying to save the Han / Roman article as your last action. If you decide to return I look forward to seeing more of your gorgeous content for me to review over at Good Articles. Merry Christmas! ] (]) 13:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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== Merry Christmas, Ottava Rima! ==
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Peace be with you, brother.
If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, ], or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A ] has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. - Ottava Rima


Serious. Peace. Let these things go and be filled with joy. Christ was not gifted to humanity for you to be unhappy.
== RfC ==


<center><poem>
I'm giving up with this. Please don't ask me to assist with an RfC again. I knew it would happen, but someone has created the cupcake section again, and it's still not certified properly. It's a joke, frankly, and I have become the butt of it. So please do not involve me again. I tried my best, but frankly, I can see where several commenters are coming from. ''']''' ] 11:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Someday at Christmas man will not fail
:It is certified properly. You know, if they think it isn't, all we have to do is post on her talk page: "Please explain why you aided Geogre's sock puppetry and resign" and just restart it again. ] (]) 13:56, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Take hope because your love will prevail
::Then do that. Just don't ask me to assist you. I'm fed up with this shit. Best wishes, ''']''' ] 14:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Someday a new world that we can start
With hope in every heart
</poem></center> --] (]) 15:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:And to you to, Moni. But don't worry, I could never be unhappy in regards to Christ. :) I'm sure most people have read excerpts of my column to know that so far. ;/ Have a good New Year, too. ] (]) 15:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


==Ping==
Pong. ] (]) 13:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


==WP:AN==
Sorry, that's rubbish. Ikip will take any chance to have a go at Merridew, and he needs to stop it. The thread is about the WQA, not Ikip's grudges. <b>]</b> 16:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
* Sorry, ''I'' am causing disruption? I'm trying to stop Ikip derailing the thread. <b>]</b> 17:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


== DYK for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard ==
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== Hi == ==Main page==
Congratulations, dude. ] (]) 18:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


== Two things ==
Hi: Can I ask what it is that you (or others) have done that has caused this furor I'm noticing everywhere? I noticed that you said on SandyGeorgia's page: "I was unblocked, after it was determined that blocking someone for restoring a deleted RfA that was deleted out of process by someone involved was not against policy and consensus could not override policy." Are most of these disputes on Misplaced Pages about controversial articles where one side wants one thing written and another wants another thing written? Or does it get way more complex than that? ] (]) 19:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


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Here is a timeline for you:
:1. : A FAC on Jonathan Swift related article came to Geogre's attention.
:2. : Geogre edits the page and makes his first comment about the sources and the page.
:3. and : I respond.
:3 : I create a page on Jonathan Swift's printers.
:4. : Geogre attacks another Jonathan Swift related page, ], after it received praise by a third party.
:4. : We fight.
:5 : I take his attacks against my other articles and against myself on my talk page to WQA and I remove them and attacks from his sock puppet Utgard Loki were soon made on my talk page .
:5. he deletes the Swift's printers page. and . , it is recommended that I go to DRV.
:6. : the page Geogre deleted goes through DRV and is restored. Geogre, Guy, Moreschi, and Folantin all fight to have the page kept as deleted.


That is the beginning of this current mess. ] (]) 19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


and .
:Geogre seems to be a difficult person to deal with. "Swift's printers" might not have been the correct title for the article, or it might have actually been correct, but an article dedicated to printers who worked on getting Swift's works put into print is definitely worthy of an article. You seem to have written a fine article in the draft mode; it's a lot better than my article on Misplaced Pages administrators. How can someone like Geogre be an administrator? Anyhow, I see that the dispute centers on Jonathan Swift-related articles and wrongheadedness in writing them. Thanks for the answers. There appears to always be Misplaced Pages article(s) lurking behind these disputes. Cheers, ] (]) 20:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
::The original Swift's printers because the basis for ]. The dispute later went to ], when I had 12 books that claimed Smart was an important Freemason and those on the Freemasonry project decided that he wasn't. I reverted 4 times across 3 pages and it was deemed edit warring by Moreschi, who you can see involved above. He indef blocked me, and Bishonen, with Geogre and the Utgard Loki sock, called for my banning from the project. ] (]) 20:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::So Geogre won the debate about not having a "Swift's printers" article? This call for your banning is a little extreme considering it was only an argument about whether or not Christopher Smart was a freemason. Almost seems like if you lose an argument about the writing of a Misplaced Pages article then the intensity of that argument continues to haunt you afterward. Either way, I think the standard reading is that it is currently unknown/undecided whether Christopher Smart was a freemason or not, and that debate between scholars is actually well documented in the article about Christopher Smart. Is Smart's article balanced at this point? It seems to me like there is very little room for dissent on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he lost the debate because many prominent Wikipedians told him that he abused his ops in a personal dispute. So, he set about getting revenge and many of my blocks in my block log are directly attributed to it. By the way, Christopher Smart won out as a freemason, as all of the biographies declare him as such and consensus allowed for it. They don't actually care about the pages and move onto the next one. They moved onto ] next. After that, they went after ] and then ]. When Bishonen showed up to cause problems at ] while it was at ], I put up the RfC against her. And thus, everything we have now. ] (]) 20:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, that's actually incorrect. Not all the biographies declare Christopher Smart to be a freemason. ] says in the notes of his book "Christopher Smart: clown of God" that "Since neither Smart's name nor his pseudonyms appear in the records of the Freemasons, it is highly unlikely he was ever one of their number. See, however, Marie Roberts, 'British Poets and Secret Societies' (Beckenham: Croom Helm, 1986) for an account of Smart's work which accepts his association with the Freemasons." I think something to this effect should be written in the lede, actually. This "went after"ing of articles that you worked on at Misplaced Pages is what is really disconcerting. It sounds like a witch-hunt to find fault with your work and exactly what I figured... the intensity of arguments continues to haunt you afterward. I guess you can do that at Misplaced Pages since there are no departments to keep order. ] (]) 20:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Mounsey was proven wrong by the London Freemason Library which stated that the records were not complete nor could a lack of a name verify that a person was not a member. I have documents from them and from a Pheonix Lodge on the matter. ] (]) 21:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


:::::::That would be an excellent addition to the article. Is it possible to read these document somewhere online? These are official statements by freemason associations? They are not sure themselves, I guess, as to whether or not Smart was one of their own? Of course, a freemason institution is biased somewhat, but their opinion is very valuable. I'm sure they are more than okay with having Christopher Smart considered a freemason. Good for their history. Are there other, more recent, sources on the matter? I started a section on the talk page of the Christopher Smart article to deal with this. ] (]) 21:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I have them in my email somewhere. They were used as evidence when the banning happened. Anyway, the issue was dealt with over a year ago. It wasn't a major point of interest in his life, so it wouldn't really be great to rehash it. ] (]) 21:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I like verifying facts. Could I possibly view the evidence somehow? ] (]) 02:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Maybe in November when I have more time to dig for it. ] (]) 02:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure. This sub-subject is not really any sort of interest of mine, but it did grasp me for a few hours there. I guess all these arguments can be time consuming and in the end they take you away from the main subject. Didn't mean to bring back any ghosts. I was just trying to comprehend some of the debates that are ongoing around here. Cheers, ] (]) 02:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


Commence half-frowny-face reaction. That is all. --] (]) 15:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
== RE: Leigh Hunt ==


== DYK for Kubla Khan ==
Certainly; had rather a long day (my significant other and ] came up to uni for the day. I'll get right on the ledes in about thirty seconds. ] (]) 21:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


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In this round of the WikiCup, the bottom three contestants of the top eight were eliminated on September 30th, while the top five are continuing for an additional month. On October 31, a winner will be announced.


==Banglapedia copyright problems==
;Top 5
Hi, Ottava. I just wanted to thank you for having this brought to my attention. You might be interested in what we're doing with your tip; we've launched a ] (special, since this isn't a contributor) and are planning to appeal to the relevant WikiProject for assistance. It's going to be a lot of work cleaning it all up, but certainly it is much needed, and the longer problems like this go unaddressed, the more tangled clean-up becomes. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
#{{flagicon|Switzerland}} Sasata (1153)
#{{flagicon|Maryland}} Ottava Rima (1148)
#{{flagicon|Sweden}} Theleftorium (1025)
#{{flagicon|Mexico}} Durova (1010)


== ] for ] ==
;Eliminated 3
#{{flagicon|Denmark}} Candlewicke (534)
#{{flagicon|Albany, New York}} Mitchazenia (352)
#{{flagicon|Ireland}} Juliancolton (314)


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== Cookie ==
*All scores are accurate as of 18:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC).
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Aparrantly no one comments on your talk page, so I thought I'd give you a cookie ... except I cba to find the cookie template, so I'll give you an IOU for a cookie :) --<span class="sigInvitatious"><span id="Imagine Wizard" class="plainlinks" >]&nbsp;(] <small>•</small> ] <small>•</small> </span>) <small>]</small></span> 01:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |<font style="font-family:AR Blanca;font-size:20px">I just wanted to let you know that your monumental literary contributions are still very much appreciated. ] 19:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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I just stumbled across your story while looking up other things.
;<big>From the Judges</big>
Suffice to say, it's a whale of a tale. Being rather brutally honest, you were kind of like me back in 2007;
Hi everyone! We're very sorry we didn't get this one out anytime sooner. We've all been pretty busy IRL. But down to business: Since the last newsletter, the first half of the round has ended. We said goodbye to Candlewicke, Juliancolton, and Mitchazenia. We'd like to thank them for all of their hard work getting this far. Shoemaker's Holiday has also withdrawn, so we'd like to thank him for his hard work too. Congratulations to Durova, Ottava Rima, Sasata, and Theleftorium for making the top 4! Good luck to you all.


Good intentions, but poor execution.
You also may have seen from the WikiCup talk page that we have a new judge! ] is joining our judging team effective immediately. J was assigned after Garden and Thehelpfulone announced they would be highly inactive throughout the remainder of the WikiCup. It is likely you will see J return as a judge next year as well.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you or be mean or cowardly. Seriously, you made some INCREDIBLE edits (a quick once-over of your edit history will back me up here), but looking over your block log tells me that you were always rather confromational (a Wikiversity fracas with the equally-legendary Abd springs to mind), and as such, you were always "riding the ragged edge of disaster", to quote Jim Davis. And you got tangled up with the ArbCom...there's a pit that's hard to get out of. Banned, even stripped of the ability to edit your own talkpage and reply to me. That's a rather stiff punishment, no? You must have really screwed up somewhere (I'm not going to dwell on that). Still, in my eyes, you deserve a...what is it now, twentieth chance? (just kidding). But there are a bunch of people who are behind you all the way. I'm not one of them....I know bog all about you, really. Have a listen to Queen's ''Hang On In There'' and mull it over; try to see how it relates to your experiences.
Good luck again to the remaining four contestants! 20 days left in the Round, so make sure you get all your content nominated soon! You've all worked hard for this, since the beginning of January. I'm sure you're all tired by now, but you've come too far to just give up now. Congratulations Top 4!
<small><span style="border:2px solid #000000;">]</span></small>, ''']&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#007BA7">]</span>''', ], and ]]] </span></font> ]]]]] 20:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Ottava,
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''''']''''' was an English literary ] published twice a week for most of 1752. It was edited and almost entirely financed by novelist, playwright, and essayist ] ''(pictured)'', under a pseudonym. The ''Journal'' incited the ], a conflict between a number of contemporary literary critics and writers, which began after Fielding declared war on the "armies of ]" in the first issue. His proclamation attracted multiple aggressors and instigated a long-lasting debate argued in the pages of their respective publications. Initially waged for the sake of increasing sales, the Paper War ultimately became much larger than Fielding had expected. Further controversy erupted in June, when Fielding expressed support for a letter decrying the Government's 1752 Disorderly House Act in the ''Journal''. His remarks were viewed by the public as an endorsement of the legality of ]. The final issue of the ''Journal'' was released on 25 November 1752. In its last months, poor sales had resulted in a transition from biweekly to weekly release. Ill-health and a disinclination to continue led Fielding to end its run after the 72nd&nbsp;number. {{TFAFULL|The Covent-Garden Journal}}
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== Precious ==
By I can only assume that you are continuing your accusation of meatpuppetry. On previous occasions, I've asked you to stop making this accusation, or start an RfC or request for arbitration. You included me in a request for arbitration that was declined; are you going to start an RfC? Or stop making such comments? ] (]) 14:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


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By the way, why are you still referring to Folantin as female? I thought this issue had been fixed. ] (]) 14:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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:The accusation already had diffs provided at ArbCom. Therefore, I can make the accusation all you want. And the ArbCom was not "declined". It was procedurally closed without prejudice. And "her" was referring to the Persian Empire, which is clear from the context. Now, you can stop harassing me. ] (]) 14:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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'''story, poem and play'''<br />
Thank you for the broad coverage of English language literature in quality articles, showing in '']'' and '']'', and for ] on conflict, consensus ... respect ..., - repeating: you are an ] (20 December 2009)!


--] (]) 12:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::I'm not "harassing" you, Ottava, I'm asking you to please stop accusing me of meatpuppetry. Apparently, you don't want to stop.
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::By the way, if, in , "her" is supposed to refer to the Persian Empire, you might want to go back and edit the post, because that is not what it says. "her edit war" != "the Persian Empire's edit war". ] (]) 14:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Today, I like your TFA, "... a lot of examination and discussion over just about every line over months and months. I will welcome -all- concerns and comments, and I will thoroughly discuss matters with ] in order to ensure that changes would not disrupt the balance. I would also prefer to keep the balance over anything else. However, I do feel that the page is extremely thorough and well put together, as it represents just about -everything- on Giraud. So, I now present to you our dear ], the boy/young man who almost absolutely nothing is really known, for your consideration." --] (]) 11:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Perhaps you should pay attention and see that I already did. However, seeing as how you responded to me at 14:20, it is likely that you did see it and felt like making comments about it -anyway-. And Akhilleus, meat puppetry, responding for others,a nd going to multiple pages is the very definition of ]. ] (]) 14:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, I hadn't seen that you fixed it. That's good! ] (]) 14:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC) :: ]. --] (]) 08:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
:::"Wiki-hounding is the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on pages or topics they may edit or debates where they contribute, in order to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work" And ArbCom has already ruled that when there is meatpuppetry, the individual actions apply to the whole, so even if you weren't on some of the discussions, you are still treated as if you were at all of them. Furthermore, WP:CONSENSUS makes it clear that your voice, dbachmann's voice, and Folantin's are considered as one regardless of what you may think, so your actions can't work to your benefit. ] (]) 14:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::That's a very odd perspective, but thank you for sharing it. I take it you don't feel it's necessary to start an RfC or file another request for arbitration, and you're just going to keep on saying this sort of thing on talk pages and noticeboards? ] (]) 14:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Who said I wasn't going to file another RfAr? ] (]) 14:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's what I was asking. Do you intend to do so soon? ] (]) 14:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If you suddenly decide to stop speaking for others in direct violation of WP:CONSENSUS and instead deal with articles appropriately, along with others doing the same, and people stop edit warring the Persian Empire page out of existence without clear consensus to determine it should be edited out of existence, and not follow me to other pages and do the same disruption as appeared with the Oscar Wilde dispute, then no. ] (]) 14:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since I've done none of those things, I am unsure how to interpret your statement. Let's just say I don't plan to change my behavior, because I don't think I'm violating any policies or doing anything wrong. Do you then plan to file a request for arbitration or other ] soon? ] (]) 14:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Really? Did you not edit the Persian Empire page to remove something without consensus? Did you not respond on the Talk page of Persian Empire? How about to the Oscar Wilde conflict? There are previous ones too. ] (]) 14:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ottava, I understand that you have problems with my editing. You don't need to elaborate on that point, because I don't think we're going to agree about it. I'm just curious whether you plan to pursue this in any official way, or if you just want to grouse about it on talk pages. ] comes to mind as one place you could pursue it; ] is another, and I bet there are other ] steps that could be pursued. Or you could just stop talking about it! ] (]) 15:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::"I understand that you have problems with my editing" And yet you continue with the aggression and problematic behaviors. You do realize that your posts meet the definition of taunting and are incivil, right? ] (]) 15:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::"You do realize that your posts meet the definition of taunting and are incivil, right?" Once again, I'll disagree, but this conversation is clearly going nowhere, so I'll stop bothering you now. Cheers. ] (]) 16:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


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Welcome back, and I look forward to helping you come back into the community. ] (]) 18:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


Welcome back. I'll be really happy to see you contributing as prolifically as you did in the past. If there's anything I can do to make that easier for you, please say so here. I'll keep your talk page on my watchlist. All the best --] (]) 23:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
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== One last try == == Happy ==


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<s>I'm going to try one last time. I've reiterated again and again to you that I'm not some old enemy of yours, risen from the wikigrave in March 2009 to torment you. I'm just a person who's let myself get ''way'' too drawn in to this vortex. Yet, you are with basically insinuating that I'm a liar. All I'm asking is that you formally retract these spurious accusations. That's all. I truly don't enjoy opening an ANI, and I don't want to do so here. All you have to do is say, "I retract the implications I've made about you" (or something substantially similar), and it'll be water under the bridge for me. I don't like feeling like there are people who don't trust my word, or who think I'm here for nefarious means. Let's put this behind us now. ]] 20:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)</s>
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:I've never said that you were an old enemy of mine nor do I have "enemies". I find it interesting that you would use such a phrase. Every day, you keep saying curiouser and curiouser things. ] (]) 21:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::Unitanode, does it really matter? Surely we've all got better things to do than this. --] ] 23:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
(found by ], where ice-breaking is also mentioned) --] (]) 18:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


:::Gotta agree with Malleus here. It's an encyclopedia, you both write in different areas, you don't ever have to come in contact again. Time to move on and regain focus. ] (]) 23:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC) :Maybe kitty kitty here got into the beer Drmies left above? Good to see you back, OR. ] (]) 16:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


== ] ==


== New Article ==
Please comment on the edited version of this nom. Thanks. ] (]) 21:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


As I finish drafting material related to ''Lamia'', I have some material for an article on an award winning poet for someone else to use to create a page.
==Actor rebellion==
Dunno why the author left out flu. From my quick search, seems that there are dozens of old (1800s) sources to back up flu, but not so much in newer publications. Maybe somebody with modern medical training decided that the symptoms did not match flu exactly. But that's just speculation. I just thought it was helpful to identify the disease, even if just "possibly/probably".


Agh, yes, Google can be annoying and unpredictable. But it is also an invaluable resource. Just wanted to make it was used to tie up the loose ends. Anyway, great job & I am very impressed with your work on Fielding. I saw you have a FAC on his play - good luck! ] (]) 17:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


Ryan Wilson (1982-) is an academic, editor, literary critic, and poet from Baltimore, Maryland. He is the office manager of the ], editor of ''Literary Matters'', and an award winning poet and essayist. His first collection of poetry, ''The Stranger World'', will be published in June, 2017.
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===Personal life===
Hello Ottava. I have recently nominated ] at FAC. You have a critical reviewing eye and comments at ] would be welcomed. Regards, ] (]) 22:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
In 1982, Wilson was born in Griffin, Georgia.<ref name="Awards"/> He grew up in Macon, Georgia and graduated from Tattnall Square Academy in 2000.<ref name="Literacy Matters"/>


He has a B.A. (English) from the University of Georgia, an M.F.A. (Poetry) from The Johns Hopkins University, and an M. F. A. (Poetry) <ref name="Catholic"/> from Boston University in 2008.<ref name="Awards"/> Currently he is a doctoral candidate at The Catholic University of America, and he serves as the Office Manager of the ] and editor of ''Literary Matters'', the association's digital literary journal.<ref name="Literacy Matters"/> He lives in Baltimore with his wife.<ref name="Awards"/>
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His first collection of poetry, ''The Stranger World'' was published by Measure Press in June 2017.<ref name="Awards"/> ] said, "The Stranger World includes heartbreaking lyrics, haunting narratives, inspired translations, and finely honed satires... written with the authority of mastery."<ref name="Literacy Matters"/> ] wrote, "Ryan Wilson’s mastery of traditional forms serves a fresh, distinctive poetry of candor and meditation: soulful rather than brittle, more observant than performative. The idiomatic, American blank verse of Wilson’s 'Authority' and 'L’Estraneo' is as fluent as that of Robert Frost, but with an oblique tenderness that reminds me of Frost’s friend Edward Thomas."<ref name="Literacy Matters"/>
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===Awards===
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* Sankey Prize for Excellence in Poetry (JHU).<ref name="Catholic"/>
#{{flagicon|Switzerland}} Sasata (1332)
* Schmuel Traum Prize (BU).<ref name="Catholic"/>
#{{flagicon|Mexico}} Durova (1259)
* Eleanor Clark Award (Robert Penn Warren Circle), winner.<ref name="Catholic"/>
#{{flagicon|Maryland}} Ottava Rima (1242)
* Morton Marr Prize (''The Southwest Review''), finalist, 2009.<ref name="Catholic"/>
#{{flagicon|Sweden}} Theleftorium (1041)
* International Poetry Contest (''River Styx''), honorable mention, 2012.<ref name="Catholic"/>
* Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2015.<ref name="Awards"/>
* Frost Farm Poetry Prize, honorable mention, 2015.<ref name="Farm"/>
* Jacques Maritain Prize (Dappled Things), winner, 2015.<ref name="Jacques"/>
* Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2016.<ref name="Pushcart"/>
* Walter Sullivan Prize for Promise in Criticism (''The Sewanne Review''), winner, 2016.<ref name="Sewanee"/>
* ], winner, 2017.<ref name="Poetry News"/>


===Works cited===
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#{{flagicon|Denmark}} Candlewicke (534)
<ref name="Awards">"Ryan Wilson’s recent publications and awards." Boston University Creative Writing. June 15, 2015 </ref>
#{{flagicon|Albany, New York}} Mitchazenia (352)
<ref name="Pushcart">"Ryan Wilson’s Pushcart nomination and publications." Boston University Creative Writing. July 15, 2016. </ref>
#{{flagicon|Ireland}} Juliancolton (314)
<ref name="Catholic">Catholic University of America </ref>
<ref name="Farm">The Robert Frost Farm </ref>
<ref name="Jacques">"Winners of the 2015 Jacques Maritain Prize for Nonfiction." ''Dappled Things'' </ref>
<ref name="Sewanee">Johns Hopkins University Press </ref>
<ref name="Literacy Matters">"Ryan Wilson, Our Editor" ''Literary Matters'', The Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers. </ref>
<ref name="Poetry News">"Poetry News." Westchester University Poetry Center </ref>
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===External links===
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* Beltway Poetry ''Quarterly''. http://www.beltwaypoetry.com/poetry/poets/names/wilson-ryan/
#{{flagicon|Wales}} Shoemaker's Holiday (1183)


==Update==
*All scores are accurate as of 20:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC).
I updated the article proposed above for anyone to use it. As a disclosure, I know the gentleman (he is a bit of a big to do in the literary circles). I also have a lot of notes for Lamia and am looking for someone who would be interested in working with me. Drop me a note. ] (]) 23:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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: <s>Hello. Just to let you know that you can move the above content to ] or ] if you wish. BTW, I'd love to help out, but I have other priorities. Sorry.</s> Well, best of luck. --] (]) 02:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC); oh well, 03:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
: Hmm... I can just reformat your references <s>and/or move the content to either page for you</s>, but that's it. Thanks. --] (]) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC); okey dokey, 03:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::I -can't- move the page or use it due to various restrictions. All I can do is offer it to other people. But thanks anyway. :) ] (]) 02:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
*Hey Ottava--the praise cited in note 2, are those blurbs from the book? They all sound good, but I typically don't regard those very highly. Thanks, ] (]) 12:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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::: {{ec}} I've created the article at ] and made a couple of snapshots at archive.org to replace the Google caches. I hope it meets with your approval. Hopefully others will expand it. It should be ready for mainspace anyway as I believe it passes ] and ] part 4(c). Cheers --] (]) 12:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. ] (]) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


:::Drmies, I would normally agree but for the status of those two: Pinsky was the US Poet Laureate, which is a pretty big deal. ] (]) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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::::Oh I know--I'm a big fan. I have his ''Sounds of Poetry'' laying around somewhere. But the sourcing here is tricky. Where did Pinsky say this? His publications are sourced to the BU website, and these blurbs are sourced to the journal that he himself edits. So what's left, I suppose, is the awards--one of which may be notable, but even that one, the Donald Justice prize, hasn't received much coverage (I mean both your subject winning it and the award itself). In fact, I don't see a single real secondary publication in here, so I won't be the one moving it to main space. If {{U|RexxS}} wishes to do so, that's his prerogative of course. ] (]) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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::::::Awards are secondary to the author but primary to themselves. The problem with modern poets in general is that they tend to have very few news articles so award pages tend to be all we have left. Also has some background on the publication and Donald Justice Poetry Prize - "The award includes publication of his manuscript, The Stranger World". This suggested to me that the Pinksy quotes were connected to this. I'm still looking for some more sources. ] (]) 13:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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:::::::Awards themselves need secondary sourcing to prove they're notable awards. That Justice award is hard to gauge; it's not a big national one, of course. So it helps, sure, but whether that alone is enough is a matter of judgment. I am well aware of the problems with poetic sourcing (you know I've worked on a few articles pertaining to modern poetry...) and it's something that I'm working on; what we really need is a set of guidelines (we need to get away from "poet X published in these journals" and then list them all) and a list of notable publications and awards. Most of all, we need a list of publications and zines whose reviews are reliable and important. I know someone who writes on LitHub, and the moment he started doing that his career started happening--so clearly that's an important place in the world of poetry. Just like poetry.com, haha. If only poetry generated the kind of airtime that's dedicated to monster trucks, K-pop, rassling, and all that. ] (]) 13:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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::::::::By the way, the Frost Farm Poetry Prize should probably have its own page, seeing as how it is from the Robert Frost foundation. is interesting, though. Poor Robert Frost and his legacy. ] (]) 14:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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::::::::: My hesitation in putting the article in mainspace to begin with, is that I'm no expert on the ''significance'' of the awards. If this were some here-today-and-gone-tomorrow pop star, they'd have hundreds of mentions in the popular press for every two-bit award they received. Sadly, no such channels exist for promulgating the news of more traditional artists' awards. However, my take is that the sections devoted to Wilson in particular by John Hopkins Press, and by Boston University amount to "''significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject''" – the touchstone of our notability criteria. I would also argue that "''The person's work ... has won significant critical attention''" which is ]. No doubt others may disagree, so I'll leave the final decision to publish the article in mainspace to someone else for now. Cheers --] (]) 16:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Just a note: ] page has the Aiken Taylor award but not the breakdown of the other five titles: . These should probably be listed in the same section (or change the section name to "Prizes"). ] (]) 14:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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:Similarly, ] could mention along with their others . ] (]) 14:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
* For Round 2 stats, see ].
:And another: Vassar Miller could be noted at the ] (a sadly under-served page). ] (]) 14:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
* For Round 3 stats, see ].


It's interesting that ] has just made its way into mainspace. You were right, {{u|Drmies}}: predictably, the quotes have attracted disagreement about their sourcing, and it would perhaps be best to reduce them to a summary as a compromise. We'll see how that pans out. --] (]) 17:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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*Hmm a good occasion to do some updating: the LitHub person mentioned above is getting two books out with ]. Anyway, Rexx, what I mentioned above, those are also the standards I try to live by--I don't write in awards unless I can verify them, even if I know them to be true. And my standards--obviously notable ones (even if "obviously notable" to the experts only) can do with some kind of primary sourcing, from the organization, less obviously notable ones require secondary sourcing of the not-just-local-news kind. ] (]) 17:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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*Ah, yes, the Pinsky quote...can't find anything for that. I assume it's a note of sorts pertaining to an award, or possibly a blurb for a book. I don't like it, sorry. ] (]) 17:37, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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::The Pinsky quote can be found on the bio page at the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writer's journal Literary Matters: . The same quote is also at Verse Daily and poems.com . Also, CUA has a faculty page that is available . Dappled Things has an interview . Also, Archive.Org has a file on him as part of their "Apostrophe Cast" program . And here is a review . And in searching, I found him at Yale Review to add to the others . ] (]) 20:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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::: Thank you, Ottava. I've transcribed them onto ] and asked if others would like to use them to expand the article (hint {{u|Drmies}}). Otherwise I'll try to find time to incorporate them myself to the best of my limited ability. --] (]) 21:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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::::Ottava, that they're repeated on various websites doesn't tell me anything about when the man said that and to whom and in what context... ] (]) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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::::: My spidey-sense is telling me that the quotes smack of something you would read on the dust-cover of a book like ''The Stranger World''. Unfortunately, the nearest library copy to me appears to be in San Angelo, TX (7800 km away).
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::::: Update: My spidey-sense didn't let me down. Have a look at https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-World-Ryan-Wilson/dp/193957420X – there's a link on the left under the front cover image, . Clicking that allows you to see the back cover. Lo and behold! There are the quotes from Pinsky, Yezzi, Warren and Jarman. So the answers to {{u|Drmies|the good Doctor's}} questions are: the quotes were said to the publisher's gopher who was canvassing for text for the back cover prior to the book's publication. Does that help? --] (]) 23:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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::::::The publisher is the group that awarded the Donald Justice Prize (Measure Press), and publication of the book is part of the prize. As for the Pinsky quote, he is a former laureate and has a relationship with Measure Press, often reviewing works. He also has a relationship with Ryan as per the interview ("Anyway, a few dozen drafts, a lot of help from Robert Pinsky, and a year later, “The City Under Vesuvius” came out in heroic couplets") and taught in the Boston University program where Ryan graduated. It would be a notable quote simply because he is a very notable individual. Bias doesn't really affect quotations, especially when most quotations are formed by bias. Would it settle any concerns if it was from Robert Pinsky's website? ] (]) 23:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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I've added some info to '']'', and a complete copy of '']'' is now up on commons. This is really all I can do tonight, but I might be able to do some more tomorrow. <s>Go ahead and add me to the nom if you like, I'll get around to these pages sooner or later.</s> ]] 23:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I won't have time to get to these soon enough. Good luck on you exams; I'm glad that you can integrate your interests here with your academic interests.... ]] 17:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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:To you and to the others - I wont be able to take a serious look at anything until Sunday. Thursday, Friday, and Saturday will be taken with exams I need to pass for my doctorate. So, yeah. ] (]) 14:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
:Which two are you referring to? ] (]) 15:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


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:::You'd think that, but thankfully I was able to cater Wiki to my exam prep. I have to finish the Blake stuff so I can have a stronger grasp of that crazy bugger. :) ] (]) 14:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC) :::There is none. Most of the articles were written well before hand. ] (]) 15:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
:::: Blake has always been my favorite poet, I am just not suited to writing about literature, so I've left it to others. ] - ] 14:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC) ::::How is that "while" banned, then? ] (]) 15:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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:I came so close to beating you to the mark. Foiled! :D Thanks, by the way. ] (]) 20:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::Race you to 300 then :) ] (] '''·''' ]) 22:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Congratulations! ] (]) 00:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Casliber, I almost beat you to 200 and you had a long head start. I'm about to pass you, and by the end of this time next year I should be over 500. You might as well give up now. :P If not, I shall taunt you a second time. :P ] (]) 03:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

==Copyedit request==
First off wow, congrats on the 200 DYK medal. I'm still working on 25. :) But the actual reason I'm here is a copy edit request for ]. I worked up this article to save the Seasons of 30 Rock featured topic, and it ] for quite a while. Two voters are considering/weakly supporting the article, but numerous problems with copy-editing issues arose during the FLC and they requested a proper review by some third party. I can't think of anyone better than you, if you have the time. Thanks either way! ] <sub>]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left: -16px; margin-right: -16px;">]</span></sup> 02:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'll have time tomorrow. I have a list of articles to go through and I will add it onto my list. ] (]) 03:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:*Thanks so much! ] <sub>]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left: -16px; margin-right: -16px;">]</span></sup> 13:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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: I just read through that diff and was unable to locate the personal attack; can you please specify where it is, SarekOfVulcan? ] (]) 04:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::Nor was I. Could it possibly have been the word '']''? In the context of linguistics (which was how he was using it), this is a polite term. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:: The paragraph before lists 16 uncivil comments, and his response was "Those comments are not incivil and it would take a complete rewrite of WP:CIVIL...to make a claim to the contrary.." He showed no indication that he thought even _one_ of those comments might have been a bit over the top. (And yes, I know what "bastardization" means. And "niggardly", for that matter...)--] (]) 04:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't mean to condescend. It's just hard to parse incivility from that particular diff. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

::: So, you blocked someone for disagreeing with your or discussing their interpretation of CIVIL, even though there was no violation of civil? I really don't understand that. ] (]) 04:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it has more to do with the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude in trying to work with the Byron article over the past day. Ottava hasn't been stellar in handling the situation. I have no opinion on the block, but I can see the reason behind it. ] (]) 04:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::And bear in mind that I agree with Ottava that ] and ] should only be redirects. This is not an attempt to win a content argument.--] (]) 04:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: If you think "This isn't some children's game so your actions are inappropriate" is civil, then more power to you. --] (]) 04:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: I didn't see those words in the diff provided; perhaps it's my eyesight, which is often an issue. ] (]) 04:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::: They aren't. They're in the paragraph immediately before that, pasted from an earlier edit of Ottava's. --] (]) 04:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Ah, well that's a more clear answer to my original query, since I could see no lack of civility in the diff you provided. At any rate, I'd guess we'd all best take care not to disagree with interpretations of policy in discussions, lest we be blocked. ] (]) 04:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, yeah, if you go around saying "Do you even do anything around here worth while" is perfectly civil, odds are indeed that you will be blocked after a while. --] (]) 04:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I've had my disagreements with Ottava, but I don't see an instance here that warrants a block. Not one. I urge you to rescind the block, Sarek. --] (]) 13:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Sarek, as an involved user, has no ability to make such a block. He has shown that he does not understand what WP:CIVIL means nor what WP:AGF means. If Sarek does not rescind the block and apologize, this is a really strong case for ArbCom. Sarek has a history of this and it would probably be best that he is not allowed such access again, especially since blocks are preventative and I was clearly asleep. ] (]) 13:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::Unless you were planning to sleep for a week, "preventative" clearly applies. --] (]) 13:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Sarek, the very fact that you are involved and think that you are some how able to make a block or have some kind of judgment in the matter is almost scary. I would request that you voluntarily relinquish your ops because you have done a lot to verify an ArbCom case and that you do not deserve them. ] (]) 13:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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:I made claims about your psychology? Guess that shows how seriously this particular request should be taken. --] (]) 14:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, you did. Claiming that I am not calm when I state that I am calm is a breach of AGF and NPA. You have no right to claim what -my- emotional state is, nor do you have the right to pursue it at a WQA. If I state how I feel, you cannot claim otherwise. You are not here. You cannot claim to know me. You violated multiple policies, and blocked me for what was clearly within policy. Your tendentious responses in there and your personal attacks deserve to be blocked over, and yet you, involved, block me. ] (]) 14:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Again, when did I say you weren't calm? Diff, please. --] (]) 14:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::And a diff for the personal attack would be nice as well. --] (]) 14:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


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Hope you are well and things are going OK. ] (]) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Based on the above criteria for involvement I don't see how Sarek is involved in such a manner as to preclude himself. ] 14:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks again for all the high quality contributions

User:Ottava Rima has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Ottava Rima's day!
You have made remarkable contributions to the project,
and the editors and readers of those pages are and always will be grateful to you for them.
We all look forward to seeing you return and continue in such development.
Thank you again for your outstanding efforts at article development.

Peace,
John Carter (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Thanks from me to and thanks for trying to save the Han / Roman article as your last action. If you decide to return I look forward to seeing more of your gorgeous content for me to review over at Good Articles. Merry Christmas! FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Ottava Rima!

Peace be with you, brother.

Serious. Peace. Let these things go and be filled with joy. Christ was not gifted to humanity for you to be unhappy.

Someday at Christmas man will not fail
Take hope because your love will prevail
Someday a new world that we can start
With hope in every heart

--Moni3 (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

And to you to, Moni. But don't worry, I could never be unhappy in regards to Christ. :) I'm sure most people have read excerpts of my column to know that so far. ;/ Have a good New Year, too. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


DYK for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard

Updated DYK query On 5 April, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard, which you recently nominated. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Main page

Congratulations, dude. Ceoil (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Two things

This,


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Commence half-frowny-face reaction. That is all. --Moni3 (talk) 15:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kubla Khan

Updated DYK queryOn July 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kubla Khan, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Actually...

Updated DYK queryOn July 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kubla Khan, which you created or substantially expanded somewhere else. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and somebody else may add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting missing or substandard article, then please write about it elsewhere and perhaps somebody will import it and suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Banglapedia copyright problems

Hi, Ottava. I just wanted to thank you for having this brought to my attention. You might be interested in what we're doing with your tip; we've launched a special "CCI" (special, since this isn't a contributor) and are planning to appeal to the relevant WikiProject for assistance. It's going to be a lot of work cleaning it all up, but certainly it is much needed, and the longer problems like this go unaddressed, the more tangled clean-up becomes. --Moonriddengirl 17:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Christopher Smart's asylum confinement

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Cookie

Aparrantly no one comments on your talk page, so I thought I'd give you a cookie ... except I cba to find the cookie template, so I'll give you an IOU for a cookie :) --Imagine Wizard (talk contribs count) Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 01:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

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Barnstar

The Writer's Barnstar
I just wanted to let you know that your monumental literary contributions are still very much appreciated. INeverCry 19:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Whoa...

I just stumbled across your story while looking up other things. Suffice to say, it's a whale of a tale. Being rather brutally honest, you were kind of like me back in 2007;

Good intentions, but poor execution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you or be mean or cowardly. Seriously, you made some INCREDIBLE edits (a quick once-over of your edit history will back me up here), but looking over your block log tells me that you were always rather confromational (a Wikiversity fracas with the equally-legendary Abd springs to mind), and as such, you were always "riding the ragged edge of disaster", to quote Jim Davis. And you got tangled up with the ArbCom...there's a pit that's hard to get out of. Banned, even stripped of the ability to edit your own talkpage and reply to me. That's a rather stiff punishment, no? You must have really screwed up somewhere (I'm not going to dwell on that). Still, in my eyes, you deserve a...what is it now, twentieth chance? (just kidding). But there are a bunch of people who are behind you all the way. I'm not one of them....I know bog all about you, really. Have a listen to Queen's Hang On In There and mull it over; try to see how it relates to your experiences. Xterra1 20:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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Henry Fielding

The Covent-Garden Journal was an English literary periodical published twice a week for most of 1752. It was edited and almost entirely financed by novelist, playwright, and essayist Henry Fielding (pictured), under a pseudonym. The Journal incited the "Paper War" of 1752–1753, a conflict between a number of contemporary literary critics and writers, which began after Fielding declared war on the "armies of Grub Street" in the first issue. His proclamation attracted multiple aggressors and instigated a long-lasting debate argued in the pages of their respective publications. Initially waged for the sake of increasing sales, the Paper War ultimately became much larger than Fielding had expected. Further controversy erupted in June, when Fielding expressed support for a letter decrying the Government's 1752 Disorderly House Act in the Journal. His remarks were viewed by the public as an endorsement of the legality of prostitution. The final issue of the Journal was released on 25 November 1752. In its last months, poor sales had resulted in a transition from biweekly to weekly release. Ill-health and a disinclination to continue led Fielding to end its run after the 72nd number. (Full article...)

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Precious

story, poem and play
Thank you for the broad coverage of English language literature in quality articles, showing in The Covent-Garden Journal and The Awful German Language, and for your philosophy on conflict, consensus ... respect ..., - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (20 December 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Precious and missed

Today, I like your TFA, "... a lot of examination and discussion over just about every line over months and months. I will welcome -all- concerns and comments, and I will thoroughly discuss matters with Haiduc in order to ensure that changes would not disrupt the balance. I would also prefer to keep the balance over anything else. However, I do feel that the page is extremely thorough and well put together, as it represents just about -everything- on Giraud. So, I now present to you our dear Nicolo Giraud, the boy/young man who almost absolutely nothing is really known, for your consideration." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Seven years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Cheers. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back, and I look forward to helping you come back into the community. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back. I'll be really happy to see you contributing as prolifically as you did in the past. If there's anything I can do to make that easier for you, please say so here. I'll keep your talk page on my watchlist. All the best --RexxS (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Happy

Happy cat dance

(found by Opabinia regalis, where ice-breaking is also mentioned) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Maybe kitty kitty here got into the beer Drmies left above? Good to see you back, OR. John Carter (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


New Article

As I finish drafting material related to Lamia, I have some material for an article on an award winning poet for someone else to use to create a page.


Ryan Wilson (1982-) is an academic, editor, literary critic, and poet from Baltimore, Maryland. He is the office manager of the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers, editor of Literary Matters, and an award winning poet and essayist. His first collection of poetry, The Stranger World, will be published in June, 2017.Photo, released CC-BY-SA 4.0 according to ref 7

Personal life

In 1982, Wilson was born in Griffin, Georgia. He grew up in Macon, Georgia and graduated from Tattnall Square Academy in 2000.

He has a B.A. (English) from the University of Georgia, an M.F.A. (Poetry) from The Johns Hopkins University, and an M. F. A. (Poetry) from Boston University in 2008. Currently he is a doctoral candidate at The Catholic University of America, and he serves as the Office Manager of the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers and editor of Literary Matters, the association's digital literary journal. He lives in Baltimore with his wife.

Publications

His works have been published in 32 Poems, Able Muse, The Classical Outlook, Dappled Things, First Things, Light, The Hopkins Review, Iron Horse Literary Review, Measure, Raintown Review, River Styx, The Sewanee Review, The Sewanee Theological Review, Unsplendid, among others.

His first collection of poetry, The Stranger World was published by Measure Press in June 2017. Mark Jarman said, "The Stranger World includes heartbreaking lyrics, haunting narratives, inspired translations, and finely honed satires... written with the authority of mastery." Robert Pinsky wrote, "Ryan Wilson’s mastery of traditional forms serves a fresh, distinctive poetry of candor and meditation: soulful rather than brittle, more observant than performative. The idiomatic, American blank verse of Wilson’s 'Authority' and 'L’Estraneo' is as fluent as that of Robert Frost, but with an oblique tenderness that reminds me of Frost’s friend Edward Thomas."

Awards

  • Sankey Prize for Excellence in Poetry (JHU).
  • Schmuel Traum Prize (BU).
  • Eleanor Clark Award (Robert Penn Warren Circle), winner.
  • Morton Marr Prize (The Southwest Review), finalist, 2009.
  • International Poetry Contest (River Styx), honorable mention, 2012.
  • Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2015.
  • Frost Farm Poetry Prize, honorable mention, 2015.
  • Jacques Maritain Prize (Dappled Things), winner, 2015.
  • Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2016.
  • Walter Sullivan Prize for Promise in Criticism (The Sewanne Review), winner, 2016.
  • Donald Justice Poetry Prize, winner, 2017.

Works cited

  1. ^ "Ryan Wilson’s recent publications and awards." Boston University Creative Writing. June 15, 2015
  2. ^ "Ryan Wilson, Our Editor" Literary Matters, The Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers.
  3. ^ Catholic University of America
  4. ^ "Ryan Wilson’s Pushcart nomination and publications." Boston University Creative Writing. July 15, 2016.
  5. The Robert Frost Farm
  6. "Winners of the 2015 Jacques Maritain Prize for Nonfiction." Dappled Things
  7. Johns Hopkins University Press
  8. "Poetry News." Westchester University Poetry Center

External links

Update

I updated the article proposed above for anyone to use it. As a disclosure, I know the gentleman (he is a bit of a big to do in the literary circles). I also have a lot of notes for Lamia and am looking for someone who would be interested in working with me. Drop me a note. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Just to let you know that you can move the above content to Draft:Ryan Wilson or User:Ottava Rima/Ryan Wilson if you wish. BTW, I'd love to help out, but I have other priorities. Sorry. Well, best of luck. --George Ho (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC); oh well, 03:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm... I can just reformat your references and/or move the content to either page for you, but that's it. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC); okey dokey, 03:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I -can't- move the page or use it due to various restrictions. All I can do is offer it to other people. But thanks anyway. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 02:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Hey Ottava--the praise cited in note 2, are those blurbs from the book? They all sound good, but I typically don't regard those very highly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've created the article at Draft:Ryan Wilson (poet) and made a couple of snapshots at archive.org to replace the Google caches. I hope it meets with your approval. Hopefully others will expand it. It should be ready for mainspace anyway as I believe it passes WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE part 4(c). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Drmies, I would normally agree but for the status of those two: Pinsky was the US Poet Laureate, which is a pretty big deal. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh I know--I'm a big fan. I have his Sounds of Poetry laying around somewhere. But the sourcing here is tricky. Where did Pinsky say this? His publications are sourced to the BU website, and these blurbs are sourced to the journal that he himself edits. So what's left, I suppose, is the awards--one of which may be notable, but even that one, the Donald Justice prize, hasn't received much coverage (I mean both your subject winning it and the award itself). In fact, I don't see a single real secondary publication in here, so I won't be the one moving it to main space. If RexxS wishes to do so, that's his prerogative of course. Drmies (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Awards are secondary to the author but primary to themselves. The problem with modern poets in general is that they tend to have very few news articles so award pages tend to be all we have left. Also has some background on the publication and Donald Justice Poetry Prize - "The award includes publication of his manuscript, The Stranger World". This suggested to me that the Pinksy quotes were connected to this. I'm still looking for some more sources. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Awards themselves need secondary sourcing to prove they're notable awards. That Justice award is hard to gauge; it's not a big national one, of course. So it helps, sure, but whether that alone is enough is a matter of judgment. I am well aware of the problems with poetic sourcing (you know I've worked on a few articles pertaining to modern poetry...) and it's something that I'm working on; what we really need is a set of guidelines (we need to get away from "poet X published in these journals" and then list them all) and a list of notable publications and awards. Most of all, we need a list of publications and zines whose reviews are reliable and important. I know someone who writes on LitHub, and the moment he started doing that his career started happening--so clearly that's an important place in the world of poetry. Just like poetry.com, haha. If only poetry generated the kind of airtime that's dedicated to monster trucks, K-pop, rassling, and all that. Drmies (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Indeed! Ottava Rima (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
By the way, the Frost Farm Poetry Prize should probably have its own page, seeing as how it is from the Robert Frost foundation. This is interesting, though. Poor Robert Frost and his legacy. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
My hesitation in putting the article in mainspace to begin with, is that I'm no expert on the significance of the awards. If this were some here-today-and-gone-tomorrow pop star, they'd have hundreds of mentions in the popular press for every two-bit award they received. Sadly, no such channels exist for promulgating the news of more traditional artists' awards. However, my take is that the sections devoted to Wilson in particular by John Hopkins Press, and by Boston University amount to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" – the touchstone of our notability criteria. I would also argue that "The person's work ... has won significant critical attention" which is the notability guideline for creative writers. No doubt others may disagree, so I'll leave the final decision to publish the article in mainspace to someone else for now. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll keep an eye out for more sources and links. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
By the way, I had a typo - it is Literary Matters and not Literary Manners. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Just a note: The Sewanee Review page has the Aiken Taylor award but not the breakdown of the other five titles: . These should probably be listed in the same section (or change the section name to "Prizes"). Ottava Rima (talk) 14:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Similarly, Southwest Review could mention The Morton Marr Poetry Prize along with their others . Ottava Rima (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
And another: Vassar Miller could be noted at the University of North Texas Press (a sadly under-served page). Ottava Rima (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

It's interesting that Ryan Wilson (poet) has just made its way into mainspace. You were right, Drmies: predictably, the quotes have attracted disagreement about their sourcing, and it would perhaps be best to reduce them to a summary as a compromise. We'll see how that pans out. --RexxS (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Hmm a good occasion to do some updating: the LitHub person mentioned above is getting two books out with Riverhead Books. Anyway, Rexx, what I mentioned above, those are also the standards I try to live by--I don't write in awards unless I can verify them, even if I know them to be true. And my standards--obviously notable ones (even if "obviously notable" to the experts only) can do with some kind of primary sourcing, from the organization, less obviously notable ones require secondary sourcing of the not-just-local-news kind. Drmies (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Ah, yes, the Pinsky quote...can't find anything for that. I assume it's a note of sorts pertaining to an award, or possibly a blurb for a book. I don't like it, sorry. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
The Pinsky quote can be found on the bio page at the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writer's journal Literary Matters: . The same quote is also at Verse Daily and poems.com . Also, CUA has a faculty page that is available . Dappled Things has an interview . Also, Archive.Org has a file on him as part of their "Apostrophe Cast" program . And here is a review . And in searching, I found him at Yale Review to add to the others . Ottava Rima (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Ottava. I've transcribed them onto Talk:Ryan Wilson (poet) and asked if others would like to use them to expand the article (hint Drmies). Otherwise I'll try to find time to incorporate them myself to the best of my limited ability. --RexxS (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Ottava, that they're repeated on various websites doesn't tell me anything about when the man said that and to whom and in what context... Drmies (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
My spidey-sense is telling me that the quotes smack of something you would read on the dust-cover of a book like The Stranger World. Unfortunately, the nearest library copy to me appears to be in San Angelo, TX (7800 km away).
Update: My spidey-sense didn't let me down. Have a look at https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-World-Ryan-Wilson/dp/193957420X – there's a link on the left under the front cover image, . Clicking that allows you to see the back cover. Lo and behold! There are the quotes from Pinsky, Yezzi, Warren and Jarman. So the answers to the good Doctor's questions are: the quotes were said to the publisher's gopher who was canvassing for text for the back cover prior to the book's publication. Does that help? --RexxS (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
The publisher is the group that awarded the Donald Justice Prize (Measure Press), and publication of the book is part of the prize. As for the Pinsky quote, he is a former laureate and has a relationship with Measure Press, often reviewing works. He also has a relationship with Ryan as per the interview ("Anyway, a few dozen drafts, a lot of help from Robert Pinsky, and a year later, “The City Under Vesuvius” came out in heroic couplets") and taught in the Boston University program where Ryan graduated. It would be a notable quote simply because he is a very notable individual. Bias doesn't really affect quotations, especially when most quotations are formed by bias. Would it settle any concerns if it was from Robert Pinsky's website? Ottava Rima (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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Which two are you referring to? Ottava Rima (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
None, in particular; any, or all of them, I suppose. Really, I'm just curious what the procedure is for contributing while banned. Benjamin (talk) 15:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
There is none. Most of the articles were written well before hand. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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Precious anniversary

Precious
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A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
I just started making my way through the articles on T. S. Eliot you wrote. Thanks again for your dedication to qualitiy work. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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