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== Hagiography == |
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Maharishi was one of the most controversial new religious figures of the 20th century. You would not know anything about that from this entry. It’s a propaganda piece, pure hagiography clearly written from a biased POV. ] (]) 07:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC) |
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== MERU Press publication == |
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:You are welcome to your opinion but that doesn't really help to improve the article; please provide specific, reliably-sourced information to support your assertion so that this issue can be addressed.--]|] 11:08, 16 February 2020 (UTC) |
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*Proclamations, p.8, MERU Press publication, Germany, G875, 1976, |
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What kind if source is this? Is it a published book? <b>] ] </b> 02:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I'm surprised there is no "Controversy" section! I suggest that links be accumulated here for materials to be considered as citations. I will contact appropriate people to contribute to this article, and I hope others will do the same. I'm sure this article needs going over for accuracy, too. |
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:Here are two sources and there are more.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 03:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:The "Controversy" section of the Misplaced Pages entry on Transcendental Meditation barely touches on this issue. |
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::So we don't know anything about "Proclamations"? I see it was added by someone at STICHTING MAHARISHI FOUNDATION INTERNATIONAL, in Vlodrop. If know one knows what it is let's remove it. thefamouspeople.com appears to be a tertiary source, and its authors aren't even listed anywhere. I guess that leaves us with the globalgoodnews.com site as a source for this material. <b>] ] </b> 04:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Bits for research: |
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:https://www.cultnews101.com/2020/02/why-i-left-transcendental-meditation.html |
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:Bob Kropinsky won the first lawsuit against TM for fraud and negligence |
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:"'Psychological Damage' from TM Found Worth $137,890," The Washington Times, Metro (Jan 14, 1987), 5B. |
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:POSSIBLE RESOURCES |
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:Cult Awareness Network |
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:TM-EX |
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:Patrick Ryan |
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:http://alt.tm.universal-path.org/tm_um.htm |
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] (]) 10:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== Maharishi has been honored by the Indian government several ways recently. How to include this? == |
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::I've searched the archive of the Los Angeles Times, and it doesn't seem to mention any award of a "Key to the City". That's probably because awards like that are given out so freely that they aren't newsworthy. Many of the items in this section appear to be of marginal notability. One thing that I have seen mentioned repeatedly in secondary sources which is omitted here is the commendation by the Illinois state assembly. <b>] ] </b> 11:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC) |
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* Maharishi was honored by the creation of a new award, the Maharishi Dhanvantari Award, created by the Indian government in the memory of MMY and meant to honor people who have done serious work to spread Ayurveda world wide. Note that Maharishi's picture appears on the award itself as presented by the AYUSH minister: |
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:::I'll try to find some more sources. The Man of Hope award was given by the City of Hope which is a suburb of LA. The City of Hope still issues awards today and they are mentioned in the papers but so far I can't find a record of the one the Maharishi received in the 60's. Give me a little time to see what I can find not just for that one but the other awards as well.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 17:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::The "Man of Hope" awards are reported in the L.A. Times for many years before and after 1970, but not that year. Nor they mention Maharishi in the same article. <b>] ] </b> 03:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC) |
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* The AYUSH Ministery issued a 2019 calender to honor “Path-finding visionaries who have appeared in the different streams of AYUSH systems at different times in history and contributed their valuable share to the growth and development of respective practices.” Maharishi is the person honored in the month of January with the words: |
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::::*''Maharishi on Dais Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File). Los Angeles, Calif.: Nov 12, 1970. pg. WS5, 1 pgs'' |
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::::In that article they say that the Maharishi spoke at the annual dinner of the "Professions and Finance Division of the Merchants Club" for the City of Hope. But they don't mention any award. <b>] ] </b> 03:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC) |
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You've done some good research, if you feel the award is not verifiable than we can remove it. What about the others? Any luck there?--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 19:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:In this case, I think secondary sources are needed more to establish notability rather than verifiability. For example, in another article there was a matter of the Mayor of San Francisco declaring a certain date as "___ Day". On further investigation it turned out that the mayor makes such declarations just about every day of the year, that they're rarely reported even by local papers, and that the honor wasn't mentioned in the bios of other honorees. Many of these minor civic awards are just not important. <b>] ] </b> 06:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::I don't think we need a special section for Awards. The ones that are notable and verifiable should be placed in a proper place in the article maybe chronologically.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 18:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I agree that it's best to place things chronologically, wherever possible. <b>] ] </b> |
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::::Again - if no one can lay their hands on the source for this and describe it then the material should be deleted. <b>] ] </b> 20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::The discussion has meandered. Can you state specifically what you are proposing?--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 20:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::I will repeat the unanswered questions from the top of the thread: What kind if source is this? Is it a published book? <b>] ] </b> 21:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::It would appear to me that these are annual collections assembled by MERU (Maharishi European Research University) of the press releases that appear on Global Good News. The the proper title is likely "Proclamations and Endorsements (1976)". Other than Misplaced Pages mirrors, is the only reference I could find to this source on the interwebs. Are press releases going to qualify as RS's for this? I vote to excise this material. The fact that there are no secondary sources on these "key-to-the-City/man-of-the-year" type awards tells me that they aren't notable. Not that I'd turn one down, mind you. They just aren't the ]; they're not even even a ]... I mean ]. ] (]) 21:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC) |
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* There is a rumor that the Indian government is also issuing a commemorative postage stamp in MMY's honor, but I haven't see that yet. |
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I don't see that the MERU source is ]. If the information is significant we should be able to find other sources.(] (]) 22:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)) |
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How does one include these kinds of things in this article?] (]) 10:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC) |
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It seems Fladrif has removed the text but I will park it here and when sources are found the text can be re-entered. |
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*According to a publication by Maharishi European Research University, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was the recipient of awards and citations during his lifetime. Some of these are: |
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*Man of Hope award, 1970, City of Hope, California;<ref name=MERU>Proclamations MERU Press publication, Germany, G875, 1976 {{Verify credibility|date=February 2010}}</ref> |
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*Golden Medal of the City of ];<ref name=MERU/> |
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*Key to the City of ], Texas, USA;<ref name=MERU/> |
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*Key to the City of Los Angeles, California, USA;<ref name=MERU/> and, honorary citizenship to the City of ], Canada.<ref name=MERU/> |
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*Proclamations given by governing bodies include ones given by Governor Dan Walker of Illinois,<ref name=MERU/> and by Members of the Parliament of India.<ref name=MERU/>--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 21:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:By supplying ] to support your information; not Facebook posts and rumours.--]|] 11:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== Removal of repetitive and redundant content == |
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== Material removed and questionable material == |
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Beatles content in the Reception section is very alike and in some cases identical to content earlier in the article. I've removed the content in the reception section. Anything that needs to be re added should be added to the earlier section. None of the content is sourced. I'll see if I can find a source. (] (]) 17:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)) |
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I have removed claims related to TM published by ] given his obvious conflict of interest with the subject matter. Further, I question the material regarding Yogi's celibacy sourced to the book by Tony Anthony as making unsupported conclusions. Anthony claims, essentially, that since Maharishi insisted on celibacy from his pupils, he, himself, must also have been celibate. This is a specious argument at best. I invite {{ping|Will M Davis}} to discuss this matter. ]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 15:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:This looks like a good reorg. --] (]) 19:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:Further to WikiDan's comments, as I pointed out when I removed the Anthony content after it was added the second time, the book is evidently ]. The ostensible publisher, "Montgomery Wood Publishing", seems to be merely a name given to the author's own efforts to publish the book. There is no evidence of any other books by this publisher on e.g. worldcat, and no evidence that they exist. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#4682B4 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#4682B4 -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">]— ]</span> 18:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:It appears that the Orme-Johnson claims regarding TM as a techique have returned to this article. I went ahead and removed them for the same reasons. It appears {{ping|Will M Davis}} is not interested in discussing the matter here and all of his contributions concern minimizing or obfuscating the controversies surrounding TM, its founder, and other associated articles. ] (]) 19:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== Inappropriate standards in text on Maharishi International University's accreditation == |
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This article (the biography of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi) currently states, referring to ] in Iowa, |
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*''On January 11, 2008, he announced his retirement from all administrative activities and went into mauna (spiritual silence) until his death three weeks later.'' |
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:Though the university claims to grant PhDs, including in neuroscience and psychology, the university is not accredited by either the America Psychological Association (APA) or the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education. |
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These standards are inappropriate to the academic programs offered by the university. |
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The assertion that the subject entered ] has never been sourced. It was first added here, so far as I can tell. IIRC, sources say that he stated prior to his death that he would devote his remaining time to completing a commentary on Vedic scriptures, which would seem to be a different activity from spiritual silence. Do we have any sources for mauna? <b>] ] </b> 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:If not, then it can simply be removed. --] (]) 12:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::Agree, if there is not a source then let's remove it.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 20:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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== what's with the COI accounts == |
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The ] accredits ''only'' programs at the doctoral or post-doctoral level, and in a current pilot program at the master's level, in "health service psychology," "Health service psychology includes several practice areas in which an accredited program may focus, including the areas of clinical psychology, counseling psychology, school psychology, combinations of these areas, and other developed practice areas." Maharishi International University currently offers no program at those levels in any of those subjects. If they have in the past, that should be supported by a source. That might be pertinent to the article on the university, though much less pertinent to the biography of the university's founder. |
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This article, and the TM topics in general, continues to be edited tendentiously out of MUM. Wasn't there some administrative intervention against these accounts at some point, or why are they still editing? --] <small>]</small> 12:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:Did not know of any ban of any editors. --] (]) 15:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC) |
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The ] accredits ''only'' ] in which physicians train in ] or sub-specialties. Maharishi International University offers no such program and is unlikely to have ever done so. ] (]) 14:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== Dr. Girish Chandra Varma == |
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:What's your point? ] - ] 15:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC) |
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I've added a reference for Maharishi's nephew, Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, and a quotation from him. This seems to me NPOV and uncontroversial, but if anyone disagrees, feel free to revert or edit. ] 04:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Maharishi was one of the most controversial new religious figures of the 20th century. You would not know anything about that from this entry. It’s a propaganda piece, pure hagiography clearly written from a biased POV. Blackmetalskinhead (talk) 07:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
These standards are inappropriate to the academic programs offered by the university.
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