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==August 19==
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====Two groups in ] begin pro-Zionist ] editing courses.====
Not sure yet what article this would fall under. Of global interest, not just Wikipedians. Note: an IP tried to remove the news item, which I have restored. ] 19:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' We should avoid self-referential ITN postings unless we absolutely have to (eg[REDACTED] gets blocked by the US government would be ITN-worthy). And I don't think this is significant enough. --] (]) 19:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Though we might want to add something about not adding pro-Zionist comments to Misplaced Pages in ]. ] ] 19:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


====2010 Aksu bombing==== == Sections ==
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:'''Support'''. we can link to ], which has 7 refs. This is the first major incident since the ]. ] (]) 15:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - We badly need to move forward with something. ] 15:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' upon de-stubbing of article. ~<font color="blue">]]]</font><sup>(]]])</sup> 17:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::The article could use some work, but it's probably big enough to be considered start class and we've posted similar sized new articles before. That and the fact that we're now 42 hours without an update means that I'm going to post this. ] &#124; ] 18:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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====]'s house, ], slated to become apartments.====
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The fictional detective ], created by Doyle, has never gone out of style for over a century and is known worldwide as a ]. Doyle commissioned the house's construction and lived in Undershaw for a decade, writing ] and other Holmes stories there. Plans are underway to convert Undershaw into flats (aka apartments). Article regarding Undershaw was written by yours truly in the past few hours. ] 09:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. It has encyclopedic merit, but just because Conan Doyle himself has withstood the stand of time, the house is of no global significance as may be seen as trivial. Perhaps more suited for DYK. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 09:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:At first glance, it feels more like a DYK than an ITN, but... I love the occasional quirky ITN story. Oh, why not, '''Support'''. ] 09:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Arsonal--] (]) 11:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Arsonal, but should absolutely be nominated for DYK. --]] 13:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak oppose''. I like it, but it's a bit trivial for ITN and I dread to think what the peanut gallery would say if it went up! ] &#124; ] 15:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


==== Fields Medal ==== == January 24 ==
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:By "today", the IP means 19 August. This item will probably get renominated when the section for that day is ready in 2.5 hours. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 21:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Note this is a ] event, so <s>if</s> when a Fields medal is awarded <s>(they don't have to give one out)</s> it should be posted once the relevant article is updated. Let's hope we have decent articles for the laureates/topics... Edit: looks like they've never failed to award one, so I guess it's going to happen. ] ] 21:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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== January 23 ==
:'''Strong support'''. Announcement is due 13:00 IST (07:30 UTC), we should add the winners immediately. Something like "At the 2010 ] in ], X, Y, and Z are awarded the ]." ] should be a safe bet for one of the medals. —] (]) 00:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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::We add it if/when the article has been updated, but after that happens (barring an influx of opposers), it will go up as soon as possible (ie as soon as an admin is around). ] &#124; ] 00:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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::In 2006, two of the four winners didn't even have articles at the time they won. Hopefully, we'll do better this time around, but we do have to at least wait long enough that some updated content exists. ] (]) 00:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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:I don't think we need to say where it was announced, and would be better off with something like
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*In ], ], ] and ] are awarded the ] for contributions to ]
==== RD: Jean-François Kahn ====
:and basing the final clause on the official citation (like we do with Nobel prizes). ] ] 01:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
::Unlike Nobel prizes, Fields Medals don't generally have a unified theme. Rather each of the two to four winners may be cited for entirely different accomplishments. ] (]) 02:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Jean-François Kahn<!-- Do not wikilink -->
:::Well we'll need to see what they are, but if possible we could include each of them. Length and the existence/state of the articles in question could be an issue though. ] ] 02:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = FrenchFootball, Jkaharper<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = French journalist<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 15:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' Article is far too stubby to be considered for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== 2025 Jalgaon train accident ====
How about:
{{ITN candidate
*The ''']''' is awarded to ], ], ] and ] at the 2010 ] in ], ] ] <sup>]</sup> 08:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = 2025 Jalgaon train accident
::And which of these articles are substantially updated? -- ''']''' 08:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| image =
:::Sorry, forgot about that. For the moment just an update in the list of awardees should be sufficient right? (all the awardees pages have laready been updated)] <sup>]</sup> 08:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| blurb = Rail accident kills 12 in ], ]
::::I don't think so; we just have five poorly updated articles. -- ''']''' 09:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths =
:: If the highlight article will be Fields medal, then it is already as updated as it would get. Bolding all the laureates would result in too much bold text in the ITN box, I believe. Anyway, I wonder what substantial update can be made for each of the articles, apart from "X has received the Fields medal for his contribution on the field Y". Ok, Obama's Nobel peace prize has an article on its own but that's another story. I think this is ready to post, more or less. Willing to do so if you agree. --''']''' 13:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| ongoing =
:::Well, no, I don't agree. This has been said before, but there are no stories that absolutely must be on the Main Page. If there's nothing else that can be updated in this article, well, that's a darn shame -- it shouldn't be added to ITN. The section is there to highlight updated articles on Misplaced Pages; if it doesn't fulfill that requirement, it doesn't belong. That being said, the Fields Medal article could, for example, include some of what was added to the individuals' articles -- namely, what each person was given the medal for. -- ''']''' 14:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| ITNR = no
::::Alternatively, just one of the winner's articles could be substantially updated... there's a lot of choice here. -- ''']''' 14:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb = 12 dead as passengers get down on tracks, run over by another train ], ]
:::::Indeed. I agree with Tariq, none of the articles is currently sufficient for ITN and the medal article is almost devoid of prose. I don't particularly care where the update goes, but it can't go up without one. All we really need is one or two good-sized paragraphs detailing who, what, how, where and why. ] &#124; ] 15:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = , ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Spworld2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = 12 people were killed after being run over by the ] in ], ]
| sign = ] (]) 09:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' The Article is small and provides about the same amount of information as the blurb. ] 07:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article is currently stub level status and needs more details to be fleshed out in order for this to be on ITN. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article needs to be expanded a bit, once expanded can be posted ''']''' (]) 12:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' I've copyedited the article and removed the tag that was present ''']''' (]) 12:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Oppose''', it is very short. ] '''(])''' 13:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
==August 18==
*'''Oppose'''. Unfortunately, multiple-death railway accidents occur every few months in India, see ]. The article is very basic and there's no indication that this will have broader impact than the similarly deadly incidents in 2024, 2023 etc. This is tragic for those affected but we can't post every transport accident. <small>PS. we did post the ], which had a death toll of 296, the second highest in India's history.</small> ] ] 14:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. Unfortunately not an unusual occurrence in India, and the article doesn’t seem to elaborate on what makes this one overly special. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
===ITN candidates for August 18===
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. Sad Indian routine. ] (]) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' on quality. However {{ping|The Kip|Alsoriano97}} may note that such highly sequenced accidents with rumour in a train leading to people jumping off to only be hit by another train are '''not''' common in India or any other part of the world, at least not eligible for speedy oppose on frequency. Thanks, --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 17:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
====U.S. Combat troops leave Iraq two weeks early====
Per live reports just now on ]. No article online yet as the story is breaking literally just now. Seems the troops were removed early as a security precaution. Stand by for updates. ] 22:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
* '''Update 1''' - I actually, just 30 minutes ago, watched MSNBC show the last troops leaving. I have no doubt a ] will be reporting on line any second, if it has not happened already. The article should be ] and I have already updated the lede there. Some additional material in the body of the article will be helpful. ] 01:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


:'''Strong Support''' Basically the end of the war. ] (]) 01:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC) :'''Oppose on quality''' - somewhat stubby. ] (]) 19:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:''Comment''. We need an update on a WP article somewhere. Currently top story on . ] ] 01:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC) :'''Oppose''' - Although tragic, it is common in India that people die due to trains. The only ones that get posted are record breakers. ] (]) 02:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand ====
:'''Tentative support''', but wait a bit first. Difficult to get firm facts until the news outlets wake up tomorrow morning, and we need to know for sure that the all combat troops have gone before posting. ] has an update, but needs more references. There's also a ] article, but that seems to be out of date. ] ] 01:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 01:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}}
::Just out of curiosity, is the story that they've withdrawn, that it was earlier than expected, or both? Also, is this just American troops or is it a coalition thing? ] &#124; ] 01:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:::The U.S. troops are the only major foreign force left in Iraq. But it seems strange to talk of a "withdrawal" when 50,000 U.S. military personnel will remain until the end of 2011... ] ] 01:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Same-sex marriage in Thailand <!-- Do not wikilink -->
::::It is both, but with the accent on that they have withdrawn. I'll come up with a proposed blurb in the next 60 minutes as I monitor television and online sources. As for a mention of a "coalition" I have seen none mentioned, I believe this is U.S. tropps only. Psych, the story we are being told, is that the remaining U.S. troops are for training and advisory purposes. ] 02:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in ] to legalize ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Historic event. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 00:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Oppose''' "38th". Enough said. ] (]) 00:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem and general lack of novel notability at this point. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 01:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', I do not see how this is important. It is the 38th and we don't post every single change in the law of every single country. ] '''(])''' 01:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as this was already posted back in June when the law was passed by parliament. ] 01:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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== January 22 ==
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====RD: Nicholas Eadie====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Nicholas Eadie
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Happily888
| updaters = Missclaireallen, Jkaharper
| nom cmt =
| sign = ] (]) 04:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' Article is orange tagged and has far too many unsourced statements to be recognized on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard ====
:Someone at the BBC has woken up, but they're now saying 'the Pentagon has not confirmed that the move marks an early end to combat operations' and 'Some of the brigade remained behind to complete logistical and administrative tasks but would leave the country by air later in the day' . Plus 50,000 seems like an awful lot of 'advisers' to leave behind. But I still think that once all the 'combat' troops are out it's a significant step, and probably the closest to a definitive end we're ever going to get. ] ] 02:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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| article = January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Blizzard conditions in Carlyss, Louisiana Jan 21, 2025.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ] in the ] ''(snowfall pictured in ])'' results in at least ten deaths and more than $14 billion in damage.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] in the ] ''(snowfall pictured in ])'' results in record snowfall across several states and at least ten deaths. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Unusual and impactful event. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 22:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' routine season weather (at least, in the face of climate change). Unless it causes significant deaths or damage, we don't post routine weather events. ] (]) 22:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It is the first blizzard recorded in the Gulf Coast history and caused $14-$17 billion in damage… ] (]) 23:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:To add to my oppose, the quality of this article is typical of these types of non-destructive storms - that is, poor. In that it is the equivalent of ] wrt news topics. It just lists various things by state that were impacted or shut down without any attempt at a larger narrative structure. That might be good for starting an article but it does not represent the quality that other event articles at least get (And I'm ignoring the two empty sections at this point). Its the equivalent of ]. At *least* there's no "thoughts and prayers"-type reaction section; what reactions are present are at least in context and actual "reactions" to response to the storm like states of emergency. And further, while some may think this is the first big storm in the south (just because the most SE states are getting snow), lest we forget ], which had a far more serious impact on the southern states than this one and was also a Gulf storm. Basically, most of the coverage on this storm is equivalent to first-world problems of people in an tech-savvy nation having to deal with snow for the first time in their lives. --] (]) 01:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 10 inches of snow in New Orleans . Also, 5.5 inches of snow in Florida, a new record. 9 deaths isn't that much but given the state of infrastructure in the South being more prepared for heatwaves than cold snaps and blizzards that toll is going to rise a lot. I'd hold out on the monetary toll, though. ] (]) 23:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


* '''Support''' - "routine season weather" is absurd. And I wonder why non-hurricane weather is almost never featured at ITN... ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 23:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support''' this is on CNN now. came her to nominate.--] (]) 02:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*:Perhaps people are missing the context? This is the ]. It rarely ever snows down here. Especially in New Orleans and Florida. ''Especially when you get {{convert|10|in|cm}} at once.'' ] (]) 23:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*::And the blizzard has been described as "once-in-a-generation" event. ] (]) 23:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Which is being blind to the effects of climate change. This weather will certainly happen again thanks to that, it's not once in a generation.<span id="Masem:1737588519537:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 23:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*::::Yes, but for now this is significant, and the "oh, just climate change" rationale shouldn't undermine that. Will we stop featuring Cat. 5 hurricanes if every one is bigger than the one a year before, assuming they happen yearly? ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 23:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::If a cat 5 hurricane causes significant loss of life, yes. A blizzard may be unusual in the south but I see no reports of any deaths, just ppl being unable to leave homes and go to work. ] (]) 00:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::::Correction I seen now ten deaths are reported, though I still feel that's a low number for this to be posted. ] (]) 00:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::Well, we currently feature a shooting in which only two people, neither of whom have articles, were killed, so I disagree. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:04, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' New Orleans received 10 inches of snow, when most years it receives 0, let alone a blizzard ] (]) 23:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Support''' as this is clearly a historic blizzard. ] (]) 23:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::Okay the, it appears this is official and getting some support. How about a blurb and an update? Preferably before I fall asleep on my keyboard. ] &#124; ] 02:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Unusual and perhaps entirely unprecedented meteorological event. Consider the fact that the damages in this situation likely don't factor in economic disruption, which will likely be quite high given poor road conditions are expected to persist through the end of the workweek in areas such as New Orleans. I have proposed an alt that adjusts a few things (I believe recorded records to be the main story here, actually, and I think "blizzard" is a bit misleading in this scenario; from what I heard, the full conditions for a "blizzard" were ultimately not met, even if "blizzard conditions" were present in some locales at some times). ] (]) 00:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Support''' - insanely rare event. Solid impacts and several deaths. (not sure what happened to another user's and my comment) ] (]) 01:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Update 2''': I have added a new to the article: 'Final departure of U.S. combat troops', with the salient facts to date. No doubt it can, and will be added to. Blurb upcoming, don't nod off just yet... ] 02:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*:{{question}} observing the pile-on support, when is a blurb '''ready'''? ] (]) 03:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*<code> In an event ] declared a "milestone", the final U.S. combat troops withdrew ahead of schedule from ], leaving 50,000 U.S. soldiers who will continue to train and advise the ]. </code> (if this is too long, detach the first part w/Obama's quote and go from after the comma.)
*::{{ping|ArionStar}} This question was asked only 5 hours after the nomination, during the middle of the night for editors in Europe. Unless there's some unusual urgency, it's usually best to wait 24 hours to give an opportunity for everyone to comment. ] ] 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:I could probably get a more concise version of that up, but I've a feeling that, if I did it now, we'd get a pile on of after the fact opposers. I'll make it my first priority to review this when I log in in the morning if it hasn't already been posted, but it's 4am and I'm sleep deprived! ] &#124; ] 03:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*:::Thank you! I'm still understanding the ITN ''business''. ] (]) 13:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::I will be be afk about 30 minutes, then back on for several hours and available to work here as needed. I see this as time-sensitive, but that's just me. Thanks HJ. ] 03:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC) Additional note: I see it has been 27 hours since the last update, and that bar is mighty red. ;). ] 03:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' extremely unusual weather event, with record-breaking snowfall for areas that rarely see even an inch in a given year. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per others, deadly and unusual. --]] 05:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per others as this is a highly unusual(even unique?) record breaking event. Economic costs are likely to be massive. ] 07:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The claims that this is unprecedented seem exaggerated as ] and ] contain many recent examples such as ] and ] which both reached as far south as Mexico. Also I notice a typo of "wreck havoc" which needs work. FYI, see previous discussions including ] and ] with mixed results. My impression is that the ] was a significant additional factor in the 2021 cases but we don't seem to have such an infrastructure failure this time. ]🐉(]) 09:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Gulf Coastal Mexico is the southernmost near-sea level North Hemisphere place to ever have the tiniest amount of snow in recorded history. Likely most equatorial near-sea level sprinkle on Earth. Also did this one snow coastal Mexico or not? ] (]) 14:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb in principle''', as this is an unusual and record-breaking storm with wide impacts. However the article is '''not ready''' due to having two orange-tagged section stubs. Those need some expansion before posting; otherwise the article is reasonably well developed. ] ] 13:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Andrew and Masem. It's...winter in the northern hemisphere. ] (]) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Florida does not typically get 4-8 inches of snow in that northern-hemisphere winter, and Louisiana does not typically get blizzard warnings. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::But it happens. It doesn't usually happen in the Sahara desert either (to compare latitudes) and I wouldn't consider ITN-worthy either. When we see snow in Rio de Janeiro or Fiji, maybe it is an extraordinary event. This is not a news ticket. ] (]) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::See ] and ]. Not that rare. ] (]) 14:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Even New York City (latitude 41) has only had 5 blizzard warnings in the last over quarter century. The Sahara has mountains. The latitude record for even the slightest trace of near-sea level snow is c. 22 North (from ] ''In February 1895, snow was reported to have fallen in Tampico. This is the North American record for the farthest south report of snow at a coastal location, and makes Tampico one of the few places where snow has fallen in the tropics at sea level.''). Rio is @ latitude 22.9068S no snow on record with a record low of 6.4°C Fiji's 17.7134S record low 5.6°C snow impossible in current climatic era almost impossible in the last ice age according to one of the world's climatology experts on snow possibility with an entire Pacific upwind of it there's a reason Bermuda 32°N has never had snow or 0°C (no sufficiently thick or near landmass connection to colder places). Also both Rio+Fiji are South Hemisphere which almost certainly makes snow harder than the same latitude North (look at how perfectly shaped North America is for low latitude snow cold air can flow all the way from Yukon (which has the lowest record low outside Greenland/Antarctic/Siberia -63C) to Tampico) it's excessive to demand snow there. ] record low only -1.5°C latitude 22.26N. The moist mild air+sub 0°C dry air fighting that makes the snow would tend to rapidly weaken the northern cold turning the few flakes to snow-melting rain ending any death risk as Gulf Mexicans have much more experience with rain. Also the linear storm wasn't aimed at coastal Mexico or extreme south Florida. Mountain Mexico yes but not Gulf Mexico (Bahamas got flurries). Hong Kong has had snow near sea level (22.2588N if HK Island though I suppose it could've been more like Shenzhen 22.5429N which is on the coast+borders HK), snow unheard of in Macau 22.1987Nish.] (]) 15:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::That's like saying a school shooting isn't notable because ] has dozens of cases a year. In the case of both, magnitude matters. Both articles include almost every possible edge case - the articles you've linked document any case of even flurries (ie not even a recorded dusting). What you're basically insinuating here is 10 inches of snow in a region where even an inch is uncommon is the same as ephemeral precipitation. ] (]) 19:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:This comment belies a radical lack of understanding about the shape of the earth and the distribution of weather relative to latitude. Is it your understanding that the Northern hemisphere is cold and the Southern hemisphere hot? ] (]) 20:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::don't disrespect anyone on this site. ] (]) 23:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Support''' bizarre and unprecedented weather event affecting an entire region. Snowfall records are being smashed - New Orleans got 8" of snowfall in a day, the previous daily snowfall record for New Orleans was 2.7" (). ] (]) 20:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. from the announcement a few weeks ago, the 'withdrawal' was reducing troop numbers from 70,000 to 50,000. That's not a significant event. And the idea that in the last few years the troops have been on 'combat duties' any differently than the ones remaining, is pretty misleading. They've been bunkered in bases hoping not to get attacked. Still, no doubt this will sail thru anyway. Gobama. ] (]) 02:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Article is poor and does not even mention damages, let alone $14 billion. And I'd be surprised if a small bit of snow cost $14bn in damages? Meanwhile, "record snow" sounds good but is actually a small amount that most places wouldn't even consider for a moment. ] 22:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:Out of interest, Mick, would you oppose this if it were any country ''other'' than the United States? ] &#124; ] 02:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the number of deaths in the article is completely unsourced, and at least 4 that I know of were the result of a traffic accident. Yes, snow causes slick roads and more traffic accidents. It snowed where it usually doesnt snow. Thats it, thats the story. ''']''' - 23:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, if it were done this way. This simply isn't a withdrawal in any meaningful sense of the word, and as said, to describe this as 'the end of the war', or even the 'end of combat operations' is innaccurate at best, spin at worst. The UK left half the armed forces in Germnay when they 'withdrew' after the end of the Cold War - that's another example of a phoney withdrawal. Maybe I could support if you gave an accurate blurb - 20% of US troops leave Iraq, having been engaged in no offensive combat operations for years. ] (]) 03:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Both proposed blurbs currently say "...in the Gulf Coast...". This is not idiomatic - either it snows ''on'' the coast, or it snows ''in'' the Gulf Coast ''region''. But perhaps we should say "along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico"? ] (]) 23:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I presume it is talking about the region, but it should be more clear. I wouldn't drag Gulf of Mexico in here for... obvious reasons. ] (]) 00:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support alt-blurb'''. The article could still be better, but this broke all-time records for snowfall in many places and is properly unprecedented for this region. ] (]) 00:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Tabish Mehdi====
:'''Oppose'''. The "combat mission ... is scheduled to end on 31 August". "The Pentagon has not confirmed that the move by the 40,000 personnel from Stryker Brigade marks an early end to combat operations". Therefore not quite the end, just another step. Also, 56,000 troops staying? And spokesman says its "far from over". Everything beyond the headline and the first sentence seems to contradict the crucial claim. In fact some those who left are "to leave the country by air later in the day". So... 40,000 are leaving... but not quite because they are leaving 56,000 troops behind... so more are in Iraq after now than are leaving now... and all of those 40,000 haven't even left yet because some are staying until later? I think that's it but it sounds so tangled the only conclusion I can come to is that this isn't the end. --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 03:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Oppose''' Candlewicke sums up perfectly my thoughts on this item. Seems more like a propaganda end than a real ending. ] 04:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Tabish Mehdi
::'''Support''' According to the BBC "Some 50,000 US troops will remain until the end of 2011 to advise Iraqi forces and protect US interests". Now for me, this signifies a clear end to ''combat'' operations in the country and to my mind that is a big deal given this was a war and not a peacekeeping mission. The blurb should focus on the fact that all combat troops (from all involved nations) have now left the country. Something along the lines of:
| recent deaths = yes
:*"Following the withdrawal of <division name>, ] operations led by ] end in ]" --] (]) 07:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = ,
::'''Support''' it was on the BBC radio this morning, and seems worthy of posting. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 07:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = yes
*'''Comment''': I share many of the concern of the opposers, but the timer is currently red. I'd consider posting this if the blurb made clear that this was limited to ''US combat'' troops. Per HJ Mitchell, I'd consider Jusdafax's blurb, above, without the Obama "milestone" part. I'll hold off for an hour or so, in case there are strong objections, or a smarter admin than what I iz pops up... ] 07:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Khaatir
:::The notability comes from the fact that this is an end to ''all combat operations by coalition forces'' and not just those of the US. Otherwise we should have been posting this every time a major country withdrew. Given that the US are the last remaining foreign force in the country it is makes this by default the end of all coalition combat action. What about:
| creator = Khaatir
:*''"] operations led by ], ''']''' in ], with 50,000 U.S. troops remaining in the country to train and advise the ]"''
}}
:::--] (]) 08:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Indian poet, a literary critic, journalist, and writer. ] (]) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Every article I'm reading says U.S. troops, no mention of a 'coalition'. Without the Obama intro, that leaves:
*<s>'''Oppose''' His literacy work section needs more citations.</s> '''Support''' All article quality issues have been cleared up. Well done, ]. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the Literary works section by reducing the number of books and retaining only a few key titles, with references that were already provided, such as Naqsh-e-Awwal (1971), Ghazal Khwani Nahin Jati (2020), and Hali, Shibli aur Iqbal (2017). These works are included with their proper citations and comply with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines. I hope this resolves your concerns. ] (]) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Enough for RD. Well done. ] (]) 18:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Introduction of the article states ''"His writings have been described by some commentators as reflecting intellectual depth and creativity."'' but this is not discussed elsewhere in the article. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 02:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Charles A. Doswell III====
::::*<code> The final U.S. combat troops withdraw ahead of schedule from ], leaving 50,000 U.S. soldiers who will continue to train and advise the ]. </code> ] 08:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:::::That is because all of the other countries have already left (clearly shown in the coalition article). That previous leavers were Australia and the UK last year. If the focus is just on the U.S. troops leaving then I would agree with others that as 50,000 are remaining what is the big deal? I mean why is the fact that US combat troops leaving anymore notable than when UK troops left? If the focus is on the fact that these actions mean an end to all combat operations in Iraq by foreign troops, then that is a big deal. The two things are completely different --] (]) 08:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Charles A. Doswell III
::::::OK, how about one or other of:
| recent deaths = yes
::::::*<code> The final U.S. combat troops ''']''', marking the end of ] combat operations. </code>
| sources =
::::::*<code> The final U.S. combat troops ''']''', marking the end of ] combat operations but leaving 50,000 U.S. troops to train and advise the ]. </code>
| updated =
::::::Thoughts? (At this stage I'm not comfortable about posting, by the way). ] 09:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Wildfireupdateman <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:::::::I'm fine with either, actually. Your call, thanks. ] 09:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Meteorology researcher who pioneered the modern model of the supercell. I have notability/quality concerns but putting it here to see what others think.
| sign = ] (]) 18:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}


:'''Oppose''' Research should be better detailed, and there's an unsourced paragraph in there. ] (]) 18:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:I'm leaning toward an '''oppose''' because of what seems like sensationalization by the media as . Official end of combat operations remains scheduled for 31 August. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 09:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A few uncited statements throughout the article. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:I lean '''support''', since while it's not the end of the war, it's the end of active US participation in the war--from now on, our troops are limited to an advisory role, it's really Iraq's problem now. It's gone from a war conducted by the US with help from Iraq to a war conducted by Iraq with help from the US, and I think the distinction is important enough for ITN. (BTW, I think a link to ] (]) 14:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


== January 21 ==
*I would actually support a listing on '''August 31''', given proper updates, as it is on that date that ], a combat mission, officially becomes ] (which oddly, currently redirects to the ongoing Afghan War), a training mission. That sounds more ITN significant than hazy definitions of what the size, role and status of a combat force has to be for a withdrawal of them to be considered significant, common sense wise, rather than media hype/govt. spin wise, especially since prior changes, like handing over the green zone, have been way more significant to the Iraq War than this change. ] (]) 14:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{cot|]}}
:That would seem to make more sense than posting it now actually. Unfortunately, that leaves us over 40 hours without an update, which I haven;t seen in a while. ] &#124; ] 15:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 21}}
::I don't particularly like that idea, it's completely symbolic, now that there aren't any more combat troops present, that's pretty what the US's mission is right now, since all the remaining troops can do is train and support Iraqi troops if requested. There isn't any difference between what's going on now and what will happen on August 31. ] (]) 18:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{cob}}
:::Proof? If there is any legal basis to this switchover in troop roles, then it is more likely that it occurs when the mission name changes, and not just when a few soldiers get on a plane. ] (]) 20:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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====(Posted) RD: Mauricio Funes ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Mauricio Funes
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Moscow Mule <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = PizzaKing13, SalvadoranSoldier, Borgenland
| nom cmt = President of El Salvador 2009–14 (FMLN), died in exile in Nicaragua on 21 Jan.
| sign = ] (]) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}


:'''Comment''' This should be a blurb as Funes was the head of both state and government in El Salvador. ] (]) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Anyone who thinks this isn't significant doesn't understand how post-combat operations work. 50,000 support troops does sound like a lot to the average layman&mdash;there are countries whose entire militaries aren't even that large&mdash;but it's a very small number in terms of U.S. operations. We have more than 50,000 troops in Germany, but I think it's safe to say World War II is over. We have about 30,000 troops in South Korea and 35,000 in Japan, but we are not at war there, either. The U.S. always leaves garrisons after a war; that doesn't mean the war isn't over. Furthermore, I would oppose waiting until August 31; we don't have to place an artificial hold on actual news just so we can reach some change-over in military jargon. On Misplaced Pages, the tail does not wag the dog. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support, weak oppose blurb''' - Funes is nowhere near as well known than other world leaders. I might be thinking with a hint of Americentrism though. ] (]) 17:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I really wonder why people feel the need to treat everyone like they're idiots at ITN. If you want to actually educate the layman, then lay out what 'combat operations' these leaving troops have been involved in these last few months, or even years, as opposed to what the remaining garrison will be doing, which is primarily sitting in protected bases. And as above, if you want to educate the layman, then please explain where you get the idea that the events of Aug 31 are/will be irrelevant, and are simply a change in 'jargon'. To me, pretending that the US forces have just transitioned from 'combat troops' to 'training troops' is also just pointless jargon. ] (]) 20:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment'''. I'd be surprised if he was deemed worthy of a blurb. It's not automatic for former heads of state/govt: Carter/Fujimori/Mandela/Thatcher he wasn't. There might be a case to be argued on the grounds of the "symbolic" importance of the handover of power after the Civil War, but it's not a strong one. ] (]) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose blurb''' not a ''serving'' head of state/gov't. ] (]) 18:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' - article looks fine for that. No need for a blurb <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 20:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' article looks good to me. ] (]) 06:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose RD, oppose blurb''' Article still has one CN tag left that needs to be fixed, but Funes's death is not on the level of what I consider to be blurb worthy. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Oppose blurb, support RD''' per Wildfireupdateman. ] '''(])''' 01:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - as nominator, in case there is any doubt. ] 19:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support RD, Extremely weak oppose blurb''' Article looks good, former president of a growing country needs some recognition ] (]) 01:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I realize these are !votes and not votes, but by my count it is 8 in favor and 4 against. Just sayin'. ] 19:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 30% are still there, it and as shows it isn't a very big change. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::See my comment, above. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


*'''Support RD,''' article looks sourced and is a suitable length. ] (]) 01:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
====U.N. warns more Pakistan relief badly needed====
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 02:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
While the main story link will be to ], this story is continuing to unfold in press headlines around the world. A U.N. official says that, amazingly, "The Indus River is at 40 times its normal volume." The blurb, however would not be on the floods themselves but the U.N.'s urgent warnings regarding the huge human disaster in progress, with millions in need of help and so far, not getting it. Respectfully, I challenge potential opposers to produce a a more newsworthy story than this one for today. ] 20:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:No opinion on the nomination, but what would the blurb be if it were to go up? ] &#124; ] 20:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Maybe it's time to just shut ITN down. Interest in it seems to have completely died, most if not all new nominations are hopeless stubs, or systematically biased, or have a hundred other flaws. Obvious candidates do not happen frequently enough, and with decent enough updates, to justify this huge section. And no matter what anyone does, this idea that the section is not simply a news ticker just will not die it seems. Just shut it down, implement a horizontally scrolling bar along the top of the Main Page for ongoing news, and think of something better to do with the rest of the space. Like giving proper recognition to DYK contributors. It's beyond belief that this is what? the fourth time this item is about to be bumped. It's a flood. A big flood, but just a flood. There isn't even a basic nomination here showing that the article has actually been updated. Has it? Who knows. Who cares. ITN was supposedly created for publicising 9/11 articles. Can you imagine if that ever happened again, how many times those items would get bumped for being an ongoing event? Jesus. Enough already. Let's tear this useless section down. ] (]) 21:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' - I strongly disagree with your thoughts and must also suggest your tone is hardly conducive to collaborative editing on this project. The challenge before us is to improve this remarkable resource and draw more contributors. Suggestions we throw in the towel are unconstructive here. And I did in fact check the article, and was quite impressed by the work done there, complete with a country-by-country table noting donations to date. ] 21:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''', I'd like to echo Jusdafax'es sentiments and note . ] (]) 03:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah. Noted. ] 04:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


==== (Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin ====
:'''Oppose''' its already been posted. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 21:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
{{atop
*<code>The ] urges potential donors to speed the pace of relief efforts for millions of victims of the ongoing ].</code> (2x edit conflict) ] 21:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| result = Article at AfD. {{nac}} ] (]) 02:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::Still not expressing an opinion, but an update would need prose, not just pretty tables and the blurb would need to be in the present tense. As it is, apart from being in the past tense, it sounds a bit like an appeal for donations. We'd need something alog the lines of "The UN announces it needs more money". ] &#124; ] 21:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
}}
:::Tense corrected, which was easy. I also updated the article's lede. I daresay more could be updated in the body of the article. ] 22:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
::::Ah, now I've clicked through instead of over-depending on popups, I see the article is tagged with a rather unsightly {{tl|copyedit}} tag. ] &#124; ] 22:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Francisco San Martin
:'''Oppose''' - not a major new development in a story we've already posted more than once. Humanitarian disaster requires aid?!? Who'd have thought it. ] ] 21:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
::'''Comment'''. After the ], the total death toll from the ] exceeded that of the Pakistan floods, and the 305 million affected in China was a far cry from Pakistan's 20 million. An important update for the Gansu disaster was needed on August 15 for the ] declared in the country, but that still was not posted. This story has already been bumped more than once, although it will likely continue for a few more months. ~<font color="blue">]]]</font><sup>(]]])</sup> 23:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources =
:'''Strong Oppose''' this is old news. most of the people affected were starving anyway floods or no floods. Also this crisis is likely to continue for months if not years. can't keep on putting it on ITN every few days.--] (]) 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = yes
:'''Oppose''' Really old news at this point. One bump was more than enough. ] 04:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Thriley
| sign = ] (]) 17:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Spanish American actor. Death announced 21 January.
}}
*'''Oppose'''. Stub, under threat of CSD. ] (]) 17:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and suggest close under procedure''' Article is 1 sentence long and is under AfD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 20:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and close''' unless article is dramatically improved. A one-sentence stub. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}


====Rod Blagojevich verdict==== ==== RD: Garth Hudson ====
{{ITN candidate
*Jury has reached a verdict on the ], finding him guilty on one charge and ]ting him on 23 due to an ] after 14 days of ]s. --] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 05:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Garth Hudson
**See the , , .--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 05:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
**:For the record, a ] is a kind of ]. This is not the same as an "acquittal", which requires a finding of ]. ] (]) 20:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = ,
:'''Oppose''' If posting Kagan was ''controversial'', this would be ''courageous''. It barely has national - let alone international - implications. I'd only support to get that stunning hair on the main page.--] (]) 05:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = yes
:'''oppose''' per global notability. btw- its not even nominated in the box above(] (]) 06:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC));
| nominator = GeoGreg
::I assume you mean the current events template. It's listed under August 17 there, since that's when the verdict was read. ] <sub>]</sub> 06:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' only convicted on a relatively minor charge. If he's convicted of conspiring to sell Obama's old Senate seat, then we'll talk. ] <sub>]</sub> 06:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = American musician, member of ], death announced today.
:'''Oppose''' Illinois has a long history of political corruption. this really is business as usual in springfield. Yawn. --] (]) 07:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
}}
:'''Oppose'''. domestic US news. ] (]) 13:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Article needs some citation work before it can be put on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:I might have supported but the overwhelming opposition, particularly from editors better-informed on the matter than I am, convinces me otherwise. Per DC, though, I could support a conviction for trying to sell Obama's Senate seat. ] &#124; ] 19:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' on technical grounds, as we already ran the story of him being impeached (is that the correct term?), and as there is likely to be a retrial on the more "juicy" allegations. I would certainly reconsider a nomination for a conviction on trying to sell Obama's Senate seat, but let's see what comes of it. ] ] 23:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' It is just, not so important. ''']''' <sup>''']'''</sup> 02:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


==== RD: Jules Feiffer ====
==August 17==
{{ITN candidate
{|{{Portal:Current events/2010 August 17}}
| article = Jules Feiffer
===ITN candidates for August 17===
| recent deaths = yes
====French national football team====
| sources = ,
*The ] bans four ''']''' players for a total of 27 games, for their roles in the ] player strike.
| updated = yes
:* Article is updated. Sanctions resulting from an sporting scandal that gripped france and was covered extensively around the world. ] (]) 23:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Sunshineisles2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:'''Support''' seems interesting - assuming the article is good enough. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 23:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| updaters = NathanielTheBold
: I'd like to see evidence this has hit America, but a '''support''' anyway. Different, certainly. ] 23:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = American cartoonist, death announced today.
:'''Oppose''' The impact is misleading because Nicolas Anelka has borne just about all of the "team" ban himself. Doesn't have international impact.--] (]) 23:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:: Doesn't have international impact? You mean, a national football team losing four players (just before the Qualifying for the European Championships gets underway next month) isn't international? ] 23:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
}}
*There seems to be something resembling a consensus emerging here. I've yet to check the article, but does anyone have any suggestions for an improved blurb, particularly to alleviate Mkativerata's point. ] &#124; ] 23:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 2 CN tags - and the Selected Works section needs some citation patch work. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
**The ] suspends ] for 18&nbsp;games with the ''']''', and three other players for for shorter periods, because of their roles in the ] player strike. ] ] 23:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
***Works for me, more or less. Having checked the article, it seems adequately updated and the timer is ticking away towards turning red. Thus, '''posting'''. ] &#124; ] 00:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Just a note. The update at ] is not up to standard yet, so please don't bold it without checking first. I would have been '''neutral''' on this one, but HJ makes the point that we're in a short news season so I'll go for '''weak support'''. ] ] 00:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I usually hate ''ex post facto'' opposes, but for this one I can't help it. I don't really see the significance of this one at all... really one athlete got a substantial suspension. Happens all the time, for all kinds of reasons. Not to mention the update is a single sentence; sorry, but this never should have been posted. ] 01:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
*:Feel free to give any remotely similar example, I know of none at all. The item pretty obviosuly wasn't just about some player getting suspended, just like the endless bumping of the horizon oil spill wasn't just about whatever bit of news had occured at the time. It is the conclusion of the whole saga, which has been a huge deal in France and World Football. ] (]) 02:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:On the update, I disagree with you. It's fairly clearly been updated as the event has progressed, so the strike and its repercussions are well covered in the article. ] &#124; ] 01:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
**'''removed''' due to lack of consensus. Second I also '''oppose'''. This has less impact that Abramovich or some other tycoon pumping in 500million and then the coach/board go crazy and buy a pile of leading players, or the reverse when a team goes broke. Anelka already retired anyway, and this kind of politics is common in common in developing countries's sports systems, eg South America, or in cricket, in Pakistan or India were the whole cricket board gets turfed out in a opaque boardroom coup with some help from underworld figures threatening officials or getting cabinet politicians to arrest them for corruption. Even in the ] in 2008 there was a power struggle between the captain/coach resulting in both being sacked/forced to resign, and in football-type sports where all the players have to operate quickly in a synchronised way, it's the coach that makes the success/failure, much more than the players in such sports as baseball, cricket, or relay races. ''']''' ('']''</font>) 01:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
***'Asian cricket is corrupt' so that means unprecedented events in international football are unimportant. Good luck with refereeing that trade off next time, this bizarre logic could be applied to any nomination about any subject. It's nonsense. ] (]) 02:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


==== (Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire ====
'''Oppose''', one federation making a foolish example of one player for the most part, not that significant. ]]] 01:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Oppose''' as minor sporting news, of interest only to those who follow the sport. HJ, just because the timer is ticking doesn't mean we should post something which has no consensus. Better to go a while without an update than to keep adding and shortly removing items. ] ] 01:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire <!-- Do not wikilink -->
::That's a few billion people tbf, and in international football, let alone French politics, this was not minor news at all. That's way more interested people than the population of the United States, so maybe Mwalcoff will be along to give his support now. ] (]) 02:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::To be honest, I don't think that anyone can say this is minor sporting news given that this is direct fall out from a player strike during the biggest professional sporting competition in the world. That being said, it may be in the news, but I fail to see any encyclopaedic value. I've said it many times before, but just because something is big ''news'' doesn't mean it is ITN worthy. After the debacle regarding the Chinese economy (us blindly telling everyone that China now has the second biggest economy because it had beaten the GDP output of Japan over ''one'' quarter - something it has done at least twice before!) maybe its time to stop relying so heavily on what the media say and do and think for ourselves --] (]) 07:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| blurb = ] in ], ], Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
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| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| updaters = Borgenland,Chorchapu<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Another tragedy. Another article to work. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:Like all of my other votes, '''Oppose on quality''' but '''Support on notability''' ] (]) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
====Death of ]====
- Former President and Prime-minister of Italy dies at age 82. Notable enough? - ] (]) 15:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC) ::@]: in good shape now. ] (]) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Looking better but still can be improved. ] (]) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:''Possibly'', but the article is in need of quite a bit of work- it's quite skimpy on the details of his career and it will need information on his death. I would be surprised if the article could be brought up to scratch quickly enough, but it's happened before. ] &#124; ] 15:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead. ] (]) 14:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I see this just got posted without consensus. This guy was only briefly PM of Italy and later served in the fairly powerless position of President. He's now died of old age and the death hasn't impacted anything. To add to that, the article is substandard, not even discussing his tenure as PM.--] (]) 04:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead & counting, in a fairly developed country to boot. ''']]''' 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Mkativerata. I don't want to discourage article development, but I'm not convinced of the ITN-level significance if the article turned into a GA overnight. ] 07:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support''', however the article is almost entirely unreferenced so it's rather moot. He may well have been a boring and non-confrontational president, and only a caretaker PM, but he was still head of state of a G8 country. ] ] 22:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


* '''Support''' at least Seventy a significant fatal incident.] (]) 15:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
====Baghdad bombing====
*'''Weak support''' seems a substantial event with a surprisingly high death toll. But the article is disappointingly light on details or context - it's a basic news report. Good enough to post but I'd like to see better content. ] ] 15:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Apparently there was one this morning (though there is no online source yet as BBC World is on breaking news) that killed over 41 recruits to the Army. (probably the number will go up) and over 100 wounded.(] (]) 06:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC));
* '''Oppose''' tragic, but lacks long-term significance. ] (]) 16:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - As soon as an article goes up, of course. ] 06:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC) Update: per , thanks Arsonal, will add to your article now. ] 07:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC) Update 2: Added some more, I see Lihaas did the startup work on the article, thanks. ] 08:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*:Of course not, as the death toll can rise and an investigation is already underway. ] (]) 16:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Article is at ]. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 07:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*I share the concerns expressed by Modest Genius. ''']]''' 17:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::: '''Support''' significant attack--] (]) 12:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Article is in reasonable shape, though, to be picky, it's an orphan. I also moved it to ] since it's not the first attack in Baghdad in August and is unlikely to be the last. I'll wait for some more comments, but if the consensus that's emerging holds, I'll post it soon. ] &#124; ] 12:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - The event is significant enough for sure but until the article is expanded a bit more I don't think it should be posted. Certainly not ready in the current state. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 18:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Rest in peace to peoples who died from the fire. I know some peoples opposing it, but the article will be expand soon and the death toll might be rise. ] <small>]</small> 18:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Weak Support''' - article is slightly stubby. ] (]) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. In the afternoon coverage of this, the war correspondent was relaying how it was not so long ago that they didn't even bother reporting bombings if the death toll was not over 50, so I'm struggling to see how/why this death toll is ITN worthy now. While they are apparently becoming less frequent, I think we are still in the period where a mass bombing in Iraq is really not ITN material. ] (]) 13:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait:''' 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. ] (]) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Definitely worthy of being on the main page, at least 76 have died and 51 are injured. ] (]) 19:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. ]🐉(]) 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There are 76+ deaths (and sadly counting) and it's a significant event. Definitely notable <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] explains "{{tq|Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.}} I'm not seeing anything further in this case. ]🐉(]) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Håkon Bleken ====
'''Oppose'''. Definitely not enough victims to make the ITN quota. They should try to be more efficient. ] (]) 14:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Oppose'''. Notability does not exist. - ] (]) 14:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Håkon Bleken <!-- Do not wikilink -->
::Says the person who thinks an explosion at some hospital is notable. I've no opinion on this as an ITN item, but it's probably notable enough for an article. ] &#124; ] 15:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
:'''Support''' - Death toll now at 60 with 125 others wounded. This is undoubtedly deserving of going on the front page. ] (]) 15:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
::'''support''' since death count is quite high. below 20-25 would deserve an oppose but 60 is pretty high. -- ]] 15:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
:::We appear to be reaching consensus to move forward. The article is adequate, for a brand new article. Suggested blurb below. ] 16:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Oceanh <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*<code>A ] of potential ] recruits kills at least 50, wounds 125. </code>
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
::Why "at least 50"? The article says 60 (the same number I just saw on the news) and it's sourced, so, aside from the usual uncertainty about casualty figures associated with this kind of thing, is there much reason to doubt that? ] &#124; ] 21:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
:'''Support''' - Clearly notable, need to make sure the same amount of deaths is mentioned in the blurb as in the article though. ] (]) 21:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
The is reporting 51, and I see other numbers floating around, so like BW I want to get it right. My thing is to err on the side of caution and move the figure up (poor souls) as it gets clearer. I'd work further but have to be afk a couple hours. Will be back to help finish up (as needed, or if needed) soon. Thanks all! ] 22:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Support''', I'd consider bombings with 40+ deaths worthy of mention, since smaller ones are so common, but attacks of this scale are still fairly unusual. BTW, I think the reason the LA Times is reporting a lower toll is because it hasn't been updated since 1:11 this morning, probably Pacific time. ] (]) 23:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Some statements in the article still need citations. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
'''Posted''' -- ''']''' 00:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Have added citations. Checking for dead links, I found four old newspaper articles (from 2003 and 2010) that are referenced to with dates and titles, but have dead urls (and not archived urls). ] (]) 16:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Trump executive orders ====
==August 16==
{{atop|SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. {{nac}} ] (]) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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{{ITN candidate
===ITN candidates for August 16===
| article = List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
====]====
| image = Donald Trump official portrait, 2025 (cropped headshot).jpg
{{anchor|Bucharest maternity explosion}}
| blurb = Incoming US President ] ''(pictured)'' issues a ''']''' including withdrawal from the ] and the ]
An explosion at a maternity hospital in Romania's capital has '''killed three babies''', while two pregnant women and '''eight newborn''' infants '''sustained burns''' and other injuries. - ] (]) 20:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:Well, that's a shame, but I doubt the article will last long and I '''strongly oppose''' posting it on ITN. This is nowhere near our significance requirement. ] ] 20:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
::Sad, but no lasting significance. Eugen Simion 14, please ''stop'' creating more work for other editors with your single-sentence sub stubs that are almost invariably deleted via PROD or AfD. ] &#124; ] 21:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
:::Death toll 4 - - ] (]) 06:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
::::'''Oppose'''. Coverage in news sources does not indicate lasting significance. The sources themselves are quite "stubby" without any chance of more detailed coverage. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 07:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
:Eugen Simion 14, you might consider contributing to Wikinews if these kind of articles are your thing. They would be more appropriate over there. --] 12:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = , , ,
*I have ]. ] &#124; ] 15:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = AndrewRT
| updaters = Pauliesnug
| nom cmt = These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO.
| sign = ]🐉(]) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* Fixing nomination header from 'nomination header' to current title. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:* Thanks. There must be a lot of cut-and-paste when preparing the orders too. I trust they also have someone carefully proof-reading them. :) ]🐉(]) 11:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Comment''' See also ] as a potential target article.--] (]) 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
====]====
- 1 killed, 114 injured in Colombia, after a Boeing crash in San Andreas. - ] (]) 13:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:dont think enough happened here to be on ITN. I'm not even sure it deserves its own article right now. -- ]] 13:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' fortunately only one fatality. ] <sub>]</sub> 16:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' despite the dramatic photo of the jet in 3 pieces... am also glad to see one one fatality. Amazing though. ] 18:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' do people have to die for this to become a news? The fact that the previous members have also emphasized is that it is "fortunate", "dramatic", and "amazing". Good enough for me, to make a GOOD NEWS. ] (]) 22:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''conditional support''' per plane crashes on ITN. the fiselage split apart on crash.
::Is there a precedence/rule for this. What is the criteria? Simply editor voting or ITN-rules, if not we need the latter to set some rules down.(] (]) 22:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC));
'''Support''' per all of the above (I find the two opposes ironic as they are both followed by what I see as valid reasons to support). 119 injured (according to the article)? A developed article? A governor calling it a "miracle"? Several nationalities from at least three continents on board, hence international appeal, not very local, etc. Crnorizec has a good point. Must all ITNs be horrific? And where did such an idea come from? Low death tolls and a high amount of injuries have been posted before, e.g. (2 bombings, 2 deaths - both deaths in 1 bombing - mainly about a large number of injuries). --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 00:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:well my oppose was when the article was 2 lines long. It has been expanded quite a bit since. But even then i dont know if posting plane crashes with 1 fatality is a good idea. More people die in regular car accidents. And i dont mean to be cruel but the 1 fatality was due to heart attack and not injuries. The injuries were not all necessarily severe either. I mean ya its a plane crash but there has been quite a few in past year. So i am still opposed to this. -- ]] 01:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::And, in my point of view, posting this after not posting the Otter crash last week is laughable. ] <sub>]</sub> 01:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Well the events are not really comparable. One was the crash of a privately operated light aircraft whilst the other was the crash and hull loss of a narrow-bodied commercial aeroplane. Also, in that case the emphasis was placed on who had been killed and not the crash itself. That being said, there have been ] with the 737 and with only one death I fail to see how this is main page worthy. For me, a low number or no fatalities needs notability elsewhere (e.g. ] as first hull loss for 777 or ] as successful water landing) and in this instance I can't see any. I mean planes get hit by lightning all the time... --] (]) 06:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In my view the 'China becomes number two economy' is a much bigger global story than the plane crash. Put up both if that's consensus but to exclude China and put up plane crash isn't right. ] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:BTW, how did the ] make the news, with no casualties? ] ] (]) 14:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::Daviessimo just said above that it was because of a successful water landing which is rare. And all the passengers survived from what was surely going to be a major accident. That is definitely news worthy. Also it was first time that happened in recent history. I dont think it would be as big a deal if it happened again. -- ]] 14:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a ] for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the ''American'' Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. ] (]) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
====China becomes world's 2nd largest economy====
::The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. ]🐉(]) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* ''']''''s ] overtakes ]'s making it officially the world's second largest economy.
*'''Support.''' Front-page news in Europe, of international political significance. Also nice Bond villain headshot on the main page. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support:''' Obviously !. ] ] 10:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Sandstein}} All that's missing is a pair of tiny hands stroking a white cat. ] ] 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
: In principle, support. However, I think we've had this announcement three times already in the last couple of months. --''']''' 11:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst these first orders might be more headline-friendly than usual, we aren't a Donald Trump news ticker. He also withdrew the USA from the Paris Agreement in 2017, so that's hardly surprising news at all. ] 12:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support:''' I think this time its for real ;-)--] (]) 12:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:: We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. ]🐉(]) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' there isn't much of a prose update (unless I missed it while skimming the article) and I doubt much can be updated. So I'm not sure it's suitable to post because of that. ] <sub>]</sub> 16:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::: And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? ] 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. 2nd is not notable. ] (]) 16:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. ]🐉(]) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. An obvious item. I'm not sure what Tone is alluding to though, so I might reconsider based on an understanding of that. __] (]) 16:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' He promised this, this happened. There's nothing surprising here. In addition, the focus on Paris and WHO are likely the lowest of issues of importance that his EOs addressed, as there's far more furor over, for example, eliminating birthright citizenship (which is certainly going to be in legal limbo for a while). ITN is not a news ticker. --] (]) 12:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support per ]'''. IIRC, when this item was first tentatively put forth through the Chinese media, the "general" consensus was to wait for posting until the claim was independently verified by the international press. It appears that now the story ''has'' been validated... Thoughts? ] (]) 16:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*:There's a big difference between a promise and a decision that comes into effect (in this case, it's the former), and promises made by politicians during campaigns are usually not very reliable. He also promised to buy Greenland. Would you oppose it if that actually happens?--] (]) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Major news as a milestone. China continues to make strides as a world power, and this shows that. Number two economy behind the USA is notable. Good ITN item, in my view. DC's point should be dealt with, however. ] 18:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*::If the actual legal transfer of Greenland from Denmark to the US actually happens, yes, but even EOs are not actual actions since most of these are likely to be tied up in legal actions ] (]) 14:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - as previously nominator for this story. While in general being #2 isn't notable, being #2 global economy is a pretty big deal. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 19:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' We are not a Trump news ticker. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Do we have any kind of an update? I suppose the PRC article would be the logical choice. If there is something, I'm willing to post this based on the consensus above. ] &#124; ] 19:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - once we have decent prose in the ] article. A rare milestone like this is an easy support even if it comes as no surprise. ] (]) 19:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC) *'''Oppose and snow close''' a politician doing politics. We will talk about it when the country's withdrawal from the WHO and the Paris Agreement is formalized. ] (]) 15:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Agreed, and only if those withdrawals get significant international news coverage (which it probably will), especially with the WHO. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' in principle but there are some problems with the articles.] is rightly tagged as being too big (at 161kb), while ] is unsourced tracts of OR.--] (]) 19:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Routine government functions. Not everything Trump is news. ] (]) 15:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Bloody hell, that article's massive. I'd have concerns with putting that on the MP since it could take bloody ages to load for those on slow connections. ] &#124; ] 19:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' ] (or a mention ITN). ] (]) 15:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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:It's only two sentences. ] <sub>]</sub> 21:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''oppose''' granted we now have confirmation, still dont think its that notable just because econ. data keeps coming and going (4 times a year for this) and it can fluctuate.(] (]) 22:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC));
:::'''Support''' Japan's economy has been stunted for 20 years and China is at 11% pa, so even if they have a slowdown they still won't get overtaken. These aren't a group of similar economies growing at 1-3% that can overtake each other back and forth ''']''' ('']''</font>) 01:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Please post now. ] has been updated sufficiently. There's not much to write on this story anyway. __] (]) 06:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Agree, please post. ] 06:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': I don't mean to sound like a Wiki-lawyer, but in posting this, we should keep in line with ], and use "People's Republic of China" instead of just "China". ] (]) 06:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' - I've had a read over some of the news articles and unless I'm being blind I can't see where China's data is coming from. Is it the same data they released a couple of weeks back, because if so surely we should be waiting until the IMF or World Bank verify what is being said --] (]) 07:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::It was on the BBC News channel last night. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 07:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, I '''oppose''' because the data only relates to one quarter. For the second quarter of 2010, China surpassed Japan by nominal GDP, but for the first six months as a whole (i.e. first and second quarters combined) ''Japan is still ahead of China'' (as stated in the bllomberg article). Now, as ] uses data amassed over four quarters and this information is verified by the IMF etc I think it is presumptuous to start saying China has overtaken Japan as the second biggest economy when it has only surpasses it for one quarter --] (]) 07:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::It appears that the also used World Bank data (see current references 32 and 33 in ]). —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 07:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's not the least bit presumptuous. As YellowMonkey points out, japan's economy has been stagnant for 20 years whereas China has a 10% increase per year. __] (]) 08:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it is, because you are essentially predicting the future based on past trends and it is not our place to do that. It is highly likely (in fact probably a certainty) that China will surpass Japan over four quarters of 2010, but if it is good enough for the IMF or World Bank to wait, then why not us. At the end of the day, the data for 2010 shows that even though China surpassed Japan in the second quarter of the year, over the first two quarters of 2010, Japan still had a higher GDP. Thus for us to say China is bigger because "Japan's economy is stagnant/China is growing rapidly" completely defeats the purpose of accurate statistical evaluation --] (]) 08:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
: I believe we have a rough consensus to post this. Any suggestions for the blurb? (actually, I'd like to know which articles exactly to feature) --''']''' 08:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::If you are going to post this I would make sure it is clear that China has only surpassed Japan for the second quarter of 2010 and not 2010 as a whole and avoid stating categorically that China has become the second biggest economy without independent verification --] (]) 08:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
*<code>''']''' surged in the second quarter of 2010 to, for the first yearly quarter ever, become second only to that of the ].</code> ] 09:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:*How about: <code>''']''' surged past the ] in the second quarter of 2010 to, for the first yearly quarter ever, become second only to that of the ].</code> __] (]) 09:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm fine with either; was worried about length so I left Japan out, but would be happy with yours if it is not considered too long. ] 09:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
'''Posted''' This item poses a myriad of problems. For example, the headline should, ideally, be in present tense. -- ''']''' 09:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


:'''Support''' - Front-page news everywhere ] (]) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==August 15==
*'''Wait''' on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, '''oppose''' the other orders or lumping them together, '''strong oppose''' on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. ] ] 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
{|{{Portal:Current events/2010 August 15}}
*'''Oppose''' all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. ''']''' - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
===ITN candidates for August 15===
*'''Oppose''' Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. ] (]) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
====], again====
*Given it's way overdue for an update, I was thinking of bumping the mudslide one up, noting the day of mourning held today. Sort of a band-aid rather than an actual fix, but better than nothing, I suppose. Suggested blurb: "A ] is held for the victims of the ''']'''." ] (]) 23:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC) * '''Oppose''' just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. ] 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' merging this information into the existing blurb. ~<font color="blue">]]]</font><sup>(]]])</sup> 01:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
{{abot}}
:'''Oppose'''. There should be no bumping at ITN period. The list of things people think are significant enough to qualify for a bump is seemingly never ending. ] (]) 16:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Shrug* I just proposed this because the golf thing was going nowhere at the time, it was something like 30+ hours without an update, and this was the best I could think of. Doesn't really matter anymore. ] (]) 17:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


== January 20 ==
===='']====
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*Golf's last major of the year ends later today. Basic blurb is "] wins the ''']''' at ]" ] <sub>]</sub> 06:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Opppose''' - many sports starting/finishing their seasons are not added. ] (]) 15:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
{{cob}}
::If you took two seconds to look at the article, you'd realize how factually off your statement is. ] <sub>]</sub> 16:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Support''' per ]. However, the article will need a ''prose'' update. At the moment it's a list of participants and tables of results, with only the first day mentioned in any text. ] ] 16:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
==== (Posted) RD: John Sykes ====
:'''Support''' if ] says it's the way to go, let's do it. ] 18:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Support''' with prose update. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 20:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = John Sykes<!-- Do not wikilink -->
:'''support''' when sports tournaments are dont the winner is customarily announced on ITN.(] (]) 20:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC));
| recent deaths = yes
:'''Comment''': the timer's red, so sooner or later someone's going to start hassling mop people. This has support, so I'm inclined to promote it. Are there any issues with having two sports-related ITNs next to each other? ] 21:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
::I don't think the article is postable in its current state: it has almost no prose whatsoever. So my '''support''' is in principle only. Normally I would do the work myself rather than sit in my armchair but I need to go to work. --] (]) 21:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
:::Fair enough, and we edit conflicted as I was about to ask for a blurb (which is conspicuously missing, and makes life very difficult for the ]. I can hang about and whine until someone sorts the article out - or we get support for something else (not sure what, though). ] 21:10, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
::::Blurb is at the top, just fill in ]. The article hasn't been updated yet, but then again the tournament is ''still ongoing'', with the title still up for grabs. So we need to a) wait for the tournament to finish b) get a results table ''and'' a prose update and c) fill in the name of ]. ] ] 21:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| updaters = SilverBullitt<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
:::::Does anyone know when it's scheduled to end? ] (]) 23:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
::::::Too late for me - I'm logging off in a few minutes. Blurb at top noted, TFOWR's spectacles cleaned and polished. Prose update still needed... ] 00:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:::::::] won this one. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 00:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
}}
:Update seems sufficient, who wants to post? ] <sub>]</sub> 07:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is long enough and has enough citations to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm not so sure. The playoff prose is a massive unsourced tract of text, whereas the prose for some of the full rounds of the tournament is barely a sentence long.--] (]) 07:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' B class article, Guardian obit. He died last year. ] (]) 14:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I've just gone on a slightly pointy tagging frenzy - hopefully that'll encourage some improvements. If I get time I'll try and educate myself about this mysterious sport and fill in the gaps, but ideally someone(s) with clue would fill in the gaps. ] 08:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Note to admins: An alternative method of posting the story is bolding the winning golfer's name rather than the tournament itself. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 09:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd actually prefer that: ] looks to be in quite good shape. OK, so the revised blurb would be:
:::::<code>''']''' wins the ] at ].</code>
:::::If there's consensus for that, I'll post it within a couple of hours (allowing time for you all to tell me what I'm doing wrong ;-) ] 10:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think the format I've seen previously is: <code>In ], ''']''' of ] wins the ]</code>. We usually include the sport for people who are unfamiliar with tournament names. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 10:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::: {{=)|blush}} I knew that, honest! ;-) That looks good. I may append "...at ]" depending on balancing needs, but I don't think the course is as important as the sport. ] 10:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
: Posting. --''']''' 11:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


==== (Closed) 2024–25 College Football Playoff ====
===='']''====
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 23:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}}
- "set to become the first animation to take $1bn at box offices globally after becoming the highest grossing animation ever". --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 01:09, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Support''' - Good international story, the worldwide box office is astonishing, timely, will look great on the main page with a photo. The article is in reasonably good shape as well. ] 01:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship
:'''Calm down''' - Highest-grossing animation movie is not really that notable, considering that inflation is not taken into account. And it is now at $920mil, and since and last week, it means that probably at least another week or two will pass before getting close to the round mark. ] (]) 04:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''' Crossing the billion dollar mark does not mean as much as it did when Return of the King did it. Toy Story will be the seventh movie to gross that much and that does not make it very notable, even if it is an animated film. It won't even be the first film of this year to gross over a billion dollars worldwide. --]]] 05:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| blurb = In college football ] ''']''' ] to win the ].
:'''Oppose''' per Plasma2. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 08:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no
:'''Oppose''' unless and until it becomes the highest-earning film ever. We can't go dividing things up into genres, or we'd be forever posting stories about the highest earning horror/documentary/blacksploitation/pornographic/musical/whatever and getting into problems of defining which category things fell into. ] ] 14:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| ongoing = no
::realistically speaking no animation movie is going to ever be the highest grossing film ever. A billion in itself is just a number. I will support when Toy Story passes Return of the king and sits at #3 since thats the prime realistic spot for any movie. Catching 2 above is just ridiculous -- ]] 15:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| ITNR = no
:'''Oppose''' - not notable enough. ] (]) 15:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb = In college football the ] ''']''' the ] to win the ].
:'''Oppose''' - Mainly due to the fact that it appears factually wrong. The highest grossing film of all time is '']'', which is animated. Unless there's some loophole where it doesn't count... --]] 19:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Avatar is live action with significant computer animation. Toy Story 3 is entirely computer animated. Technicality? Maybe, but I doubt Avatar would have been considered for Best Animated Film. :P --] (]) 19:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::IMO Avatar was the other way around - animated with significant live action. But that's exactly the problem with having per-genre records. ] ] 21:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''oppose''' no record breaking, we cant added caveats to everything. no big deal either, and certainly no wide press (int'l or even american wide outside the entertainment media)(] (]) 20:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC));
| nominator = Sagittarian Milky Way <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
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| nom cmt = They finally found a way to ] removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+] tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD).
| sign = ] (]) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Amateur sport. We post the Super Bowl as it is the top, professional event in football for the US.], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Is it really amateur if most if not all of the payers are on sports scholarships to their respective colleges? ] (]) 03:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::* Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is ''not'' the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. ] (]) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:: {{tq|Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here.}} – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than ]. ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Man, I hate to be the one to tell you about the NIL, but college players are being paid salaries now. ]] 21:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. ]] 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. ] (]) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If "]" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then ] is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. ]] 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support''' This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. ] (]) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. ] (]) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. ] (]) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:They make up to from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. ] (]) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Comment''' It's still January 20 in America, so this should be moved to yesterday. ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==August 14==
::Moved. ] (]) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
{|{{Portal:Current events/2010 August 14}}
:::It's not UTC date? ] (]) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
===ITN candidates for August 14===
::::ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that.<span id="Masem:1737428570781:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
====] suspended after player shot====
*Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? ] (]) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
A player for Hong Kong was shot during a game, the event is suspended, Hong Kong team withdrawing. --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 01:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability, once winner determined. This is a ''massive'', ''massive'' deal in the U.S. – the '''second biggest''' sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 (""), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the ] being for college football. I previously made a of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly ''every single one'' we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the ], ] and the ], which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if they decide to completely suspend the event. Something like this is notable enough for ITN. --]]] 05:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' The game is not over yet. ] (]) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Hmm, a stray bullet of unknown source, while the tournament is being played on a military base. Sorry, but 'Venezuelan armed forces are incompetent' is not an ITN worthy event, it's a given. Much like all the 'USA learns new skills' nominations. ] (]) 15:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' per Beanie. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', given that it seems to be continuing, albeit in a different location. Sucks for the person who got shot, but since there's no lasting impact on the event, I don't see the importance. ] (]) 15:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. ''']''' - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''- for reasons above. ] (]) 15:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--] (]) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Firstly, isnt it softball? as in the olympics. '''support''' if the event is called off because that is not usual. Munich 72, Atlanta 96, etc, etc were not called off.(] (]) 20:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC));
*'''Oppose''' not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting ''any'' university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only ], less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. ] ] 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::It's baseball as the name says. ] was another event. By the way, ] and ] have been removed from the Olympics. ] (]) 03:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*:Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are ] that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. ] (]) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' brawls etc are not notable, but knife and gun attacks certainly are, eg Seles being stabbed...as for the event not being cancelled neither was Munich nor the tennis tournament ''']''' ('']''</font>) 02:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] (]) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. It's being described as a stray bullet and not an attack. At the moment it sounds like an accident which hit a single low notability person (] is currently red) who is reported to not be seriously injured. The tournament itself is not particularly high profile in the world of sports and it goes on. ] was the world no 1 in the probably highest profile women's sport when she was deliberately attacked. This baseball incident is not like that. ] (]) 03:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Considering that new ] deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Fair enough but why do you assume something is of low notability because of a red link? Everything starts somewhere and everything here was once a red link. --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 23:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I also Googled her and the result seemed modest for an athlete at a World Cup. I just did a new search and got more hits due to the shooting. ] (]) 12:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) ] (]) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. ] (]) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. ] (]) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there ''is'' a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. ] 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
** International coverage? You mean like , in , , , , , , , , , , , and last year there was also Israel, Japan and others? ] (]) 17:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Admittedly I am a Buckeye so I do have a bit of bias, but I believe that the amount of international coverage described to by BeanieFan is sufficient to warrant inclusion. Plus, college football is easily one of the most internationally significant parts of American culture, up there with apple pie. Some teams such as Bama have sizable followings across Mexico, China, Australia, and Western Europe (per ) <b><span style="color:#0080FB">Invading</span><span style="color:#0668E1">Invader</span></b> (], ]) 14:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}


====2010 Summer Youth Olympics==== ==== (Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks ====
{{ITN candidate
The ''']''', the first of the ], begins in ] with 3,531 participating athletes aged 14–18 from 205 ]s. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 02:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = 2025 Catatumbo attacks <!-- Do not wikilink -->
:'''Support''' seems like a pretty big deal - especially as its the first. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 09:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
:'''Weak oppose'''. On the one hand it's the first incarnation of something which might ''possibly'' become a major international event. On the other hand it's getting virtually no press attention (at least in the UK: hidden well down the BBC and not mentioned at all on the Guardian ), and it's just a youth version of a notable competition. We don't post the youth versions of any other major tournaments such as the ] or the ]. ] ] 12:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| blurb = ] perpetrated by the ] in the ], Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
:'''Support''' As an inaugural event, this deserves to be mentioned. The possible future of the event is far from now, and we should not comment about it. Votes slanted on the fact that it has not received enough attention since, are not criterion that should be roughly respected here. Also, it is silly to compare such event with junior events in single sports.--] (]) 13:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:'''Support''' - a fine upbeat story with international appeal. As consensus appears to have formed, suggest we move forward. ] 14:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
'''Note''' This piece of news was also discussed at the Future events section of In the News. See ]. Shall we continue the discussion here instead of there? ] ]] 14:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| altblurb = ] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
Here is a proposed alternative:
| altblurb2 = ] by the ] in the ] of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and ] ] declares ]. <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
The ''']''', the inaugural ], begins in ] with the opening ceremony held at ].
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: The original statement included participant no. and info, which are not really primary to what we intend to report. You may also wish to refer to past news statements on multi-sports events for a better idea; i.e. ]. Regards, ] ]] 14:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
: '''Oppose''' the mention of ]. It does not add much, and the weird style of the name makes the whole thing a lot less understandable. Possibly write ] per ] ''(Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official": e.g. avoid: REALTOR®)'' /] (]) 08:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
'''It is done'''. Third time I've done this now (second was just now) so a spot of sanity checking wouldn't go amiss. Also, someone doling out the ITN award would be appreciated. I'm going for a nice cup of tea and a lie down: me head hurts after all that fun. ] 16:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:{{done}} the awards as best I can. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 16:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support on notability''' as it’s a major escalation of the previously-quiet Colombian conflict. '''Oppose on quality''', however, as the article’s still quite short. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 02:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Waiting for updated news; I have difficulties editing infoboxes, could someone help me? ] (]) 03:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@] Tried my best to do so. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 03:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Thanks! Improvements {{done}}. @]: better now? ] (]) 04:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per the ], this war has been ongoing since 1964 and there were over two thousand deaths last year. And the similar cartel/drug wars in Mexico are even worse. This incident is therefore just a drop in the ocean and not significant per ]. ]🐉(]) 15:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] it’s been decades since any single attack in this conflict has killed anything even close to this many people. Are you genuinely serious? ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The nomination is for a "series of attacks" not a single attack. The ] gets its numbers from ]. This has a . This includes a chart of "Violent events involving armed groups" for each year from 2018 to 2024 and these seem quite steady with about 2,000 killed each year. Q.E.D. ]🐉(]) 17:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this is clearly in the news per and 80 people killed is way beyond the unofficial never-to-be-mentioned "]" threshold that I would personally consider an indicator of significance. Quality looks reasonable for a short article too &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Amakuru, he said it perfectly. It's in the news, an unusually high number of deaths, and the article quality is sufficient given the recent nature of the attacks (shorter is to be expected when recency is a factor). ]]] ] 20:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: please, include "results in more than a hundred deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced". It is a important part of the event. ] (]) 00:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Better: "''] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]''". ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Those are details best left to the article. ]] 02:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Not about the state of emergency declaration. ] (]) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*: {{ping|Stephen}} An ] used "A series of wildfires leave'''s'''". Is "A series of attacks leave" intentional here? ] (]) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Fixed, thanks. ]] 18:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@]: I think to add "''while ] ] declares ]''" is appropriate. ] (]) 21:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Cecile Richards====
]
{{ITN candidate
There are now a number of ]. I would recommend this one if an admin wants to use it, but feel free to use any other ones that have been uploaded. The cauldron images don't look too great at the moment. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 08:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Done. --] (]) 16:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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<s>:'''Weak oppose''' 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. ] (]) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
*'''Support''' Article has enough citations and length for ITNRD. The uncited awards have photo evidence in the article. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I see another citation in the article for the presidential award but nothing for the Legion of Honour. ] (]) 15:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I am only finding it on Instagram, so far. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::In that case, I'm challenging and removing the claim. Instagram isn't an RS for addding an award like this. '''Support''' on quality. ] (]) 17:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


====(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump ====
====] aka '] mosque' supported by President ]====
{{atop|comment = ] closing. Consensus to post will not develop. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Second inauguration of Donald Trump <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Donald Trump official portrait.jpg
| blurb = ] is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as ].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] and ] are inaugurated as ] and ] of the United States.
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| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| nom cmt = This occurs at noon EST today.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
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*'''Oppose''' - A routine event that is the consequence of another event - the November election - which we already covered. ] (]) 14:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Consensus in the past has been against the posting of inaugurations. ] (]) 14:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We already posted the election results and don't double up with inaugurations as well. Also, it hasn't happened yet. ] ] 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Strong oppose''' we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. ] (]) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Support for the construction of ''']''', a ] and ] community center near the site of the ], was voiced by ] ] ]. Story has strong international appeal. ] 05:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. ] (]) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. ] (]) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' per above. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. ] (]) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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== January 19 ==
:'''Oppose'''. Many politicians and others have already voiced an opinion. As president, Obama will get more attention than most, but I don't think raises his (largely predictable) opinion on the matter rises to the level of being ITN worthy. I would also note that ] hasn't been updated at all to reflect this info (though presumably that could be corrected). ] (]) 08:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''' per Dragons flight. Additionally, the story is still premature and does not have a conclusive result. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 08:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''', Obama has stated that the sky is blue. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 09:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Support'''. Actually, I think this could be an angle which made it possible to post the Ground Zero mosque controversy on ITN. It is an extremely divisive issue in New York City and elsewhere in the United States, and, even though that is fringe, with the contentions about Obama's own heritage, and the less contentious fact that he is the supreme leader of the country weighing in on the issue, combine to elevate this conflict beyond a local politicized quibble to a battle for the heart and soul of that nation. __] (]) 09:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''' If Obama had opposed the construction that might have been worthy of inclusion (owing to the subtext "President considers all Moslems guilty by association in the 11 September attacks, and so seeks to prohibit their right to buy and use property in the vicinity") but he didn't. Despite the misleading headline in the cited NYT article, nothing is quoted to say that he thinks it is positively a good thing that the centre be built: he simply asserts equality of rights of people of all religions and distinguishes between the attitudes and aims of Al-Qaida and mainstream Moslem opinion: it would hav been genuinely extraordinary for him to have said the opposite. "Queen joins BNP" would be ITNworthy: "Queen does not join BNP" is not. ] (]) 11:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::You seem to miss the perspective that the only neutral thing would be for him to keep quiet on this issue. __] (]) 11:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' - this whole story is just a load of local-interest cruft. Obama's opinion certainly doesn't cut it. Nor will the judgement, nor the commencement of construction, nor the opening. ] ] 12:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - unless I'm missing something, building a mosque in the United States is like building a factory, a chemist, a garage, whatever in the United States. Islam isn't banned in NYC so I don't get why this is such a huge deal. I imagine there were Moslems among the victims that day, too. (Basically, this story wouldn't exist if they were planning on putting a church there.) ] 18:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' for now at least. A president simply offering support for something that currently does not exist and which may never exist? Perhaps if it is built... --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 23:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg ====
:'''Oppose'''. A pile on, just to make it more obvious that this sort of US domestic news tedium is not ITN worthy. And since when was the US President not supposed to stick up for what the constitution actualy says? ] (]) 15:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jeff Torborg
| recent deaths = yes
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*'''Support''' Article is well cited and has enough length for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 01:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml ====
==August 13==
{{ITN candidate
{|{{Portal:Current events/2010 August 13}}
| article = Kulanthai Shanmugalingam
===ITN candidates for August 13===
| recent deaths = yes
====Death of ]====
| sources =
]
| updated = Yes
] who into the ] in 2004 after submitting its application in 1990 when he was the country's foreign minister. A former president of the ]. English is one of Malta's official languages. --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 01:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Abishe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:'''Support'''. Unexpected death after what what is usually a safe operation (less than 1% of patients die from complications with ]). Notable international relations career as well. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 02:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| updaters = Kanags, Abishe, Editrite!
:'''Support''' per Arsonal. Can't wait for the "Malta is small" arguments. --]]] 02:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka
:'''Support''' - also per Arsonal. ] 03:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
<code> Former ] and ] ''']''' ''(pictured)'' dies suddenly at the ], ]. </code> --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 04:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Just because the hospital has an article doesn't justify expanding the length of the blurb with a trivial detail, IMO. ] 04:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article has enough length and citations to be placed on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm good with it either way, as long as it goes up quickly. :) ] 05:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Ready'''. No concerns found. Marked as ready. ] (]) 03:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per and the article (which until yesterday was a copyvio) only has two sentences on his Presidency.--] (]) 07:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' He was not in office upon his death, he was replaced in 2004. Unless it can be shown that he was remarkable in some other way, I'm not sure that this qualifies as a death for ITN. Can anyone expand on his efforts to put Malta forward for the EU? That might be an angle, but I'm unsure if that would be enough. --] 07:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' His death meets the second out of the three ]. Note that ITN only requires that a person's death meet one of those criteria. —<font face="Garamond" size="3">] ('']'' + '']'')</font>— 08:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I'm aware of the criteria and how to apply them. I from the info in his article I couldn't meet point two, but others seem to think so. --] 17:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per the death criteria. Took Malta into the EU, notable UN and Commonwealth roles too, seems significant enough for me. Admittedly the article is rather lacking, but it meets the ITN requirements. ] ] 12:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''support''' to globalise and give prominence outside the status quo, and per death criteria for ITN.(] (]) 15:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC));
:'''It is done'''. Given my track-record at ITN (non-existent/very poor), can someone sanity check what I've done? Doling out the requisite ITN baubles would be appreciated, too. ] 16:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::Given I whined about the lack of updates on ] I believe I have done so. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 16:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Incidentally, I ''didn't'' update the picture (never done it before, scared I'd break something, etc etc) but I'd suggest this would be a good candidate item for a picture? I've just added the Singapore Youth Olympics, too, but I don't think there's a suitable picture yet? ] 16:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' inclusion of picture. The Colombian Presidential picture is old and tiresome. ~<font color="blue">]]]</font><sup>(]]])</sup> 21:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Support picture as well (most of the blue and stars could be removed - leaving the red and white of Malta - but maybe not if that offends Americans). --<font face="serif">]]]]</font> 23:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Support''' - 1. His knowledge of Maltese criminal law and parliamentary affairs are exceptional, probably best in the Maltese Islands. He was up to his death, a Professor at the University of Malta, lecturing second year students in the Bachelor of Laws (L.L.B) - study unit - Criminal Law, an undergraduate course leading to the postgraduate course of Doctor of Laws (L.L.D).
2.He indirectly propelled Malta to become a Republic during 1974, when Prime Minister Dom Mintoff needed a 2/3 votes in Parliament to amend the constitution. Guido de Marco was instrumental in a pact reached with the Opposition. Not so much is written about his Presidency, is due to the fact that the Maltese Presidency is largely a ceremonial position within the republic. None the less he submitted Malta's application to become a member of the European Communities on 16 July 1990 as Malta's Foreign Minister and later reactivated the frozen application in 1998 following 2 years in Opposition. --] (]) 00:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


====AgBank has completed the largest ever IPO==== ==== (Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States ====
{{closed top|result=Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}}
Long anticipated and closely watched event in the investor world. ] today completing the world's largest ] in history at $22.1 billion . ] (]) 17:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:'''Support''' if its the worlds largest IPO - the prose looks to have been updated to me. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 09:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| article = Restrictions on TikTok in the United States
::Suggested blurb: <code>The ] completed the world's largest ever ] at US$22.1 billion.</code>. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 09:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| image = TikTok_mobile_block_message_US.png
:::If it is to be included (I have no strong opinion), it raises severe ]. The IPO article only describes the US situation (although it does not acknowledge this limitation), and UK banking, or at least its reporting in the non-specialist press, would describe this as a public share issue. Maybe the relevant form of ENGVAR should be that of Hong Kong. ] (]) 11:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| blurb = Social media platform ] (message pictured) ''']''' after its parent company ] fails to ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
:'''Support''' Obvious feature, a top business and finance headline. __] (]) 11:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:'''Weak support''', seems a significant business story, even if most people will think 'so what?'. We certainly can't use a TLA like 'IPO' in the blurb though, and as Kevin McE points out there are ENGVAR issues to avoid. ] ] 12:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
::'''Comment''' In which article and what can be done to fix them? -- ] &lt;]&gt; 13:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
:::In the blurb. There are issues in ], but that's not a problem for ITN since it won't be bolded. ] ] 13:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb = Social media ] (message pictured) is officially ''']''' following ] inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
:'''Support''' - Story has a good international appeal, and as noted per: Meco is a top business/finance story. ] 14:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) following ]'s inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
:'''weak oppose''' flop IPO, unlike MakeMyTrip that surged 80% on day 1.] (]) 15:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC));
| altblurb3 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) in anticipation of ].
::By that logic the most notable IPOs are those in which the vendor massively underestimates the value of the company. Getting the valuation right and actually making money for the company would therefore be a ''bad'' thing. Which makes no sense at all. ] ] 18:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
:::What is this guy thinking comparing the worst largest IPO at 22 bil with a puny Indian IPO of a few million. Offtopic? The fact that this ipo took place amid some pretty daunting market expectations and raised a record amount says something about its strength and was perhaps unexpected. ..I '''strongly support''' the blurb by Eraserhead as there's no question it is notable... Its possible that this record will not be topped for a long time. ] (]) 18:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
::::For clarity (as it took ages for me to figure it out) the issue with the blurb is the term "IPO" which is an acronym and not necessarily perfectly clear. Though it does appear (as I show below) to be the term used in "Chinese English" so it shouldn't be a problem. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 19:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nominator = Royiswariii <!-- Do NOT change this -->
'''Comment''': if you can resolve the ] issues around IPO I'd be up to sticking this up. For what it's worth, I remember learning what "IPO" meant only fairly recently (UK/NZ English speaker). ] 16:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| creator = Ageofultron <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
::If by these ENGVAR issues you mean the fact that I've called them US$ that's only because without the qualifier they could be Hong Kong dollars given this is a Chinese business related story - and they are worth much less. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 16:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
:::Nope, it's the issue Kevin McE and Modest Genius mention, around "IPO". I'd be OK with "]" - ''if'' that's the usual Hong Kong English term. (i.e. it needs to be wikilinked - I can live with ] like me not knowing the term if it's wikilinked - because I suspect we'll struggle to find a way to say it in neutral English). ] 17:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Also, nominated by ]<!-- Additional comments go here -->
::::Ah, fair enough. I've done some research and , , the , and all refer to it as an IPO in their English language versions. They are all the newspapers I can find websites for that are mentioned in the Rough Guide to China so it should be a fair sample. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 17:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
| sign = ] ] 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:::::Just because the English versions of the Chinese press use the acronym 'IPO' doesn't mean we should too. Using undefined ]s, particularly ones not used in certain parts of the world, is something we should avoid. It's not a complicated issue, just replace 'IPO' by 'initial public offering of shares' and it's fine. It's not as if the blurb has a length issue or anything. ] ] 20:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''' lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free <s>speach</s> speech" <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough, and I think TFOWR agrees with you. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 20:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::I do indeed. I think we'd struggle to find a suitable version neutral phrase, so "IPO" it is, but wikilinked as ]. The whole main page experience terrifies me, so I'm going to hold off for now and promote this in the morning (if someone less easily scared hasn't done it already). I'd suggest using Eraserhead1's blurb, slightly modified: <code>''']''' completed the world's largest ever ] at US$22.1 billion.</code> (I've removed "The" from the start, in addition to expanding "IPO"). ] 21:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:*Two things: first off, it is ''speech'', not ''"speach"'', and secondly, how on Earth does that constructively add to the discussion on whether or not to add it to ITN? Seems merely like a way to ragebait people from the U.S... Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Fair enough, it seems most of the regular admins aren't around this week. Probably another reason why I should go for an RFA :/. Oh and one error with the blurb: 'completed' -> 'completes' for present tense. ] ] 21:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:*:my bad lol, I mean it is everywhere in the news so why not support that (and it might've been a small rage bait) <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 12:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::'''Posted''' TFOWR's blurb MG's modification and saying "raising" 22.1 billion. --] (]) 21:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - Major country banning a major website, unprecedented in the United States. --] (]) 04:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Note: I should say that ideally the article would have more sourced content on the bank's history. But seeing as we put up the death of a country's President with only two sentences on his Presidency, I don't think that can justifiably hold this posting back. The material in the article on the IPO is good enough. --] (]) 21:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*:Thank you, @]
*:I think the '''Blurb''' was okay or '''Alt1''' what do you think? ] ] 04:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@] or it's okay to add the image since the tiktok logo is in Public domain? What do you think. ] ] 04:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@Royiswariii I added an image of their American headquarters. --] (]) 04:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Okay, thank you! ]] 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support with modifications'''. ''Shutdown ''is a noun, so it should say "''shut down ''in the United States". ] (]) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{small|Fixed. ] (]) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}}
:'''Oppose -''' This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. ] (]) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. ] (]) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Notable and widely covered ] (]) 04:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the original altblurb II. ''Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States'', as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. ] (]) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' first blurb. Obviously notable ] (]) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better ] (]) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt ] (]) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' Of course. ] (]) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Strong support''' ] (]) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --] (]) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
** Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --] (]) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US.<span id="Masem:1737262562902:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**:::I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. ] ] 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): {{tq|a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place}}. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been ''any'' progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
**:::Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::::Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). ] (]) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::::I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt blurb 3'''; it's worth mentioning the ]. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Should ] be used instead of the current skinny image? ]] 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. ] ] 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Changed. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support ALT3'''. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per SimpleSubCubicGraph ] (]) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. ] (]) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news '''now'''. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. ] (]) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President ], then, just nominate it. ] ] 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days.<span id="Masem:1737290304296:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. ]🐉(]) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on '''U.S.'''. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ], then we can nominate a another separate news on this. ] ] 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:: It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See ]🐉(]) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Have you been on social media recently? ] (]) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::the article Kevin Roose of ] is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. ] ] 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. ]🐉(]) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. ] (]) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even ] for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. ] (]) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. ] (]) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:*'''Oppose''' Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
*:], ]<sup>]</sup> 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? ] (]) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If ] has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. ] (]) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like ]). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] ] and ] are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. ]] 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "]", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. ] (]) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' as per above ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' or '''Strong oppose''' As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users,<ref>{{cite web |title=Why did India ban Tiktok? |url=https://productmonk.io/p/tiktok-india |website=Product Monk |access-date=19 January 2025}}</ref> which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st ''']''' (]) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem ] (]) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Support</s>''' The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". ] (]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Changing my vote to '''Oppose''' given the latest developments. ] (]) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* As another reason to wait, Trump has now confirmed that he will EO the 90-day extension on Monday or Tuesday to allow TikTok to find a buyer , so this is going to be a temporary outage. ] (]) 16:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support'''. Millions of users will be lost and will potentionally migrate to other platforms such as Red Note and YouTube Shorts. ]] 16:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I '''agree''' with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. ] (]) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see if Trump follows through with an extension or not. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* And now TikTok is in the process of restoring service in the US, making this ITN useless. . --] (]) 17:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. ] (]) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
====Discovery of ]====
*'''Suggest snow close''' Ban lifted. ] (]) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Long speculated but never confirmed to exist, this monkey species is new to science and appears to be critically endangered. ] (]) 02:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' events have now overtaken this. Support close. ] (]) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Interesting, and an important commentary on modern human interaction with other species, in my view. ] 05:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. ] (]) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' though I don't think the article is good enough. -- ] &lt;]&gt; 09:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. <em><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></em> 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support'''; IIRC, there was a blurb on the discovery of...something...not too long ago. ] (]) 11:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT3'''. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--] 🍄‍🟫—] 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - interesting new species, published in the peer-reviewed literature, receiving interest from the scientific press. The article is OK, certainly better than many of the disaster articles we feature. It could do with a picture though, for which I suggest using under fair use (there are only a handful of pictures of this species in existence, so I don't think it could reasonably be replaced by a 'free' version). ] ] 12:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::'''Question''': Hang on a minute, this has a previous DYK listing from 27 July, how old is the story? ] ] 12:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... ]<sup>]</sup> 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Suggest snow close''' By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --] (]) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== (Closed) Storming of South Korean court ====
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 22:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Seoul Seobu Local Court.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Supporters of ] ] ''']''' the {{Ill|Seoul Western District Court|ko|서울서부지방법원}} (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 103.111.100.82 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = This is the first time in South Korean constitutional history that a court was attacked by people. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:Apart from the ] violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' - While I'd be happy with posting another ''major'' development in this story, this isn't it. This is a footnote in the developing story. ] (]) 09:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Genevieve. Not minor, but a degree less important than much of the other news surrounding this story. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}

== January 18 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Claire van Kampen
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Moscow Mule
| nom cmt = Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the ], who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time.
| sign = --] (]) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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*<s>'''Oppose''' Theatre section is entirely unsourced. Please add references.</s> '''Support''' Article now has enough citations and quality to be on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 16:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Please check, ]
*'''Support''' Theatre section is sourced now. Its a C class article with no problems. ] (]) 15:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Supreme Court of Iran 1399032711131150520604224.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Two ] ] are assassinated and two other people are injured in ] at the ] (pictured) in capital ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support'''. Two judges known for being linked to a mass execution assassinated in a rare attack at a Supreme Court.] (] • ]) </small>
*'''Oppose on Quality'''. Article is exceptionally thin, and most of the body is not directly about the shooting. ] (]) 02:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Agreed. It's notable but needs more information. ] (]) 02:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I just did a improvement. ] (]) 03:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Looking better, thanks. ] (]) 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@]: quality is decent now. ] (]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. ] (]) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::]. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. If some meat can be added, I would support.</s> The assassination of two supreme court judges almost anywhere is going to merit a blurb here. -] (]) 05:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: {{done}}. ] (]) 06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::'''Support''' Article is now adequate for posting. -] (]) 16:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is important in the context of all what is happening in the middle east, including the Iran-Israel proxy war. Also, the quality/size of the article seems ok now. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We did a good work in the article. ] (]) 14:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Ad Orientem. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support notability''' but '''oppose on quality'''. Firstly the background section is orange-tagged so unmarking as ready. The article is very short and lacking a lot of background detail that would inform the reader of the basic facts. Also the fatalities section is unusual; surely the two judges warrant articles of their own given their position? ] (]) 16:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I can help improve it. ] (]) 00:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – if something like that happened in the US, it would be added in a heartbeat. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">]</sup>'' 20:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability per Bloxzge 025 and Tradedia. As for article quality, I still support - aside from the background section, I think the article is short but sufficient. With this being said, the currently background section should probably just be removed altogether until it is more complete/adequate. I do not think a background section is strictly necessary to meet the bare bones minimum necessary for the article, though. ]]] ] 20:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 01:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: Why not the full proposed blurb? ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], the cited article doesn't mention "Sharia" anywhere, let alone "Sharia judges". I can't find anything on google for a single source that calls them "sharia judges". This looks like a ] violation.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The article title on this event also uses this term ], so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. ] (]) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Done (both) by {{noping|Amakuru}} 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). ] (]) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ] near ], ], Nigeria, kills at least 98 people and injures 69 others.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = High number of deaths. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Support''' on notability, '''oppose''' on quality. A large fuel tanker explosion with a big death toll, but the article needs improvement. ] (]) 20:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support -''' 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. ] (]) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. We need a bit more meat on this article before it can be posted. -] (]) 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not every disaster is going to have sufficient coverage to make for a quality article for ITN, and generally a recognizition that WP is not a newspaper, we should not be rushing to create event articles after any type of disaster until there's some certainty that it will have the longevity for notability .--] (]) 14:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Reluctant oppose''' article is too short and there's not much indication of wider notability beyond the sheer number of deaths. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Falls short in terms of quality and encyclopedic value. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Almost 100 deaths… ] (]) 22:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@{{u|Bloxzge 025}}, ], @], @]: look at this now! ] (]) 00:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::We are getting close. One cn tag. -] (]) 00:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::A tank truck destroyed 20 shops? No way! ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::: ] (]) 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Info''' The article is in good shape now. ] (]) 02:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*The lead contains a lot of information that is missing from the body. Not ready. ''']]''' 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I disagree; see Explosion and Victims section. ] (]) 17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Russell Marshall ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Russell Marshall
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Kiwichris <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced.
| sign = ] (]) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article has enough sourcing and length to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 17 ==
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====(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume ====
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| article = Didier Guillaume<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Offdg (cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ''']''', the ], dies, and ] is appointed as the acting Minister of State<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = Borgenland, GoodDay, Fakescientist8000<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* Is this ITNR? The Prince of Monoco is the one listed at ] that administerss the gov't, not the minister. --] (]) 17:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Masem}} It is not, and I’ve removed the ITNR tag. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::Per ], {{tq|The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco}} and {{tq|the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military.}} They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: {{tq|Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of '''the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government''', in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.}}
::Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough ''on their own'' to post on ITN with a blurb. According to ], only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that ''head of government'' is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
::And ultimately, the results of general elections are ''already'' able to be posted, so the only thing that saying {{tq|Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page ]}}. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: ], and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Support -''' Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. ] (]) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The head of state of Monaco is the prince. ] (]) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Somewhat medium support'''. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which '''administers''' the executive", per ]. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, ] states {{tq|Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality}} (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. {{small|Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke>}} -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' dies > passes away. ] (]) 18:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support blurb''' despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. ]] 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''RD Only''' - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. ] (]) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. ]]<sup>]]</sup> 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''RD only''' Monaco has a special status, but on the ground, it is just like any other French city. So Didier Guillaume is more like a random mayor. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Monaco is a sovereign state, not a French city. ] (]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' death of head of government should be the only acceptable RD blurbs IMO ] (]) 02:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*Whatever happens, the blurb needs to be updated to be "dies" instead of "passes away". ]. ] (]) 03:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} ''']''' (]) 04:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Not Ready''' for the ].</s> Support blurb in principle, but article quality for a head of government does not wow me. -] (]) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Support blurb''' Article appears quality now to be adequate for posting. -] (]) 15:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' given the arguments of some above, though it still seems the MoS is mostly at the mercy of the Prince rather than a fully autonomous actor. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose on quality''' Four cn tags. Once fixed,</s> '''Support blurb''' a change in leadership along with the death of an incumbent head of state is blurb worthy, although per The Kip in terms of MoS being an actual head of state. --] (]) 20:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] and @], please double check the quality of the article. I have given previously uncited statements sourcing, and this article should be good to go now. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' A blurb would now be stale, as the oldest blurb (Iranian judges assassination) is newer than this. However, discussion for RD inclusion can continue. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It's newsworthy. ] (]) 22:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Denis Law ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Denis Law
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jmorrison230582 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Record goalscorer for ] and the ] national team, ] winner (1964).
| sign = ] (]) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support blurb''', the only Scottish football player to win Ballon D'Or, the last surviving member of Manchester United European Cup winning team. ] (]) 22:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Law wasn't in the United team for the ], because he was injured. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose blurb''' Let’s be honest, if Bobby Charlton wasn’t notable enough for a blurb, Denis Law is certainly not. He’s trailing Charlton in virtually every category. Also, as far as I know, Wayne Rooney is Manchester United’s record goalscorer.--] (]) 23:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*: Correct, Law is Manchester United's 3rd highest goalscorer (Charlton is 2nd). ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' No indication of being a great figure. Winning the Ballon D'Or may lead to that but there's nothing to discuss legacy or impact on the game, and a sport's MPV award for a year is not sufficient for this. '''Support RD''', I think there's one loose CN on the awards but nothing else stands out being a problem. --] (]) 23:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Bobby Charlton probably should have been blurbed, but I don't believe Law rises to his level, so on that basis I will have to oppose. ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' per ] ] (]) 23:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb, <s>oppose</s> support RD''' We ]. Also, in terms of quality, <s>there is a message error at the end of the page: "Cite error: There are ref group=note tags on this page, but the references will not show without a template (see the help page)."</s> it is ok. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:That was broken by this . I've fixed it. ]🐉(]) 09:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Elderly person dying after a long disease, over 50 years since they were an active footballer. Article is in fine-enough shape for an RD. ] 08:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There were 215,000 views on the news which seems typical of someone who was a household name in the UK but unknown in the US. The high readership shows that readers are not finding it difficult to find the article. Running this in the RD ticker will make little difference. ]🐉(]) 09:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*I nominated this for RD. I'm not sure why somebody added blurb to the nomination. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joan Plowright ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Joan Plowright
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Wizzito <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] &#124; ] 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Not ready'''. It'd be nice to see her there, but a slew of her acting credits aren't referenced. ] (]) 19:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Like Denis Law, she was another famous name in her day and so there were 283,000 views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Far too many CN tags to be considered eligible quality for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' CNs down to four: TV shows from the 50s and 70s (for which there are sources, but not WP:RS). ] (]) 01:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There are only a handful of CN Tags left within her acting credits. If they are not resolved and the passing admin reviewing this deems them unacceptable, it would be better to remove those entries from her filmography list (I could not find cites for them) and then post to RD. It is an otherwise quality article on a very noteworthy person. ]]] ] 01:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 02:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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Archives 157 157
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January 24 171 171
January 23 122 122
RD: Jean-François Kahn 1,237 1,237
2025 Jalgaon train accident 4,652 4,652
(Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand 2,986 2,986
January 22 122 122
RD: Nicholas Eadie 861 861
January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard 17,819 17,819
RD: Tabish Mehdi 2,010 2,010
RD: Charles A. Doswell III 1,064 1,064
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(Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin 1,376 1,376
RD: Garth Hudson 857 857
RD: Jules Feiffer 958 958
(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire 6,768 6,768
RD: Håkon Bleken 1,367 1,367
(Closed) Trump executive orders 10,587 10,587
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(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks 7,728 7,728
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(Posted) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml 1,100 1,100
(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States 28,181 28,181
(Closed) Storming of South Korean court 3,272 3,272
January 18 122 122
(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen 1,480 1,480
(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran 7,440 7,440
2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion 4,725 4,725
(Posted) RD: Russell Marshall 1,024 1,024
January 17 122 122
(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume 11,322 11,322
(Posted) RD: Denis Law 4,288 4,288
(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright 2,369 2,369
References 830 830
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January 23, 2025 (2025-01-23) (Thursday)

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RD: Jean-François Kahn

Article: Jean-François Kahn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telerama Gala
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French journalist TNM101 (chat) 15:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Jalgaon train accident

Article: 2025 Jalgaon train accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rail accident kills 12 in Maharashtra, India (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 12 dead as passengers get down on tracks, run over by another train Maharashtra, India
News source(s): CNN, BBC The hindu, Indian express
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 12 people were killed after being run over by the Pushpak Express in Maharashtra, India Spworld2 (talk) 09:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, it is very short. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose on quality - somewhat stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - Although tragic, it is common in India that people die due to trains. The only ones that get posted are record breakers. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 01:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Same-sex marriage in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in Southeast Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. (Post)
News source(s): TIME Metro
Credits: Nominator's comments: Historic event. ArionStar (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose "38th". Enough said. Masem (t) 00:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose, I do not see how this is important. It is the 38th and we don't post every single change in the law of every single country. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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January 22, 2025 (2025-01-22) (Wednesday)

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RD: Nicholas Eadie

Article: Nicholas Eadie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ,
Credits:
Article updated
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 Happily888 (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard

Proposed image Article: January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first recorded blizzard in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in at least ten deaths and more than $14 billion in damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A winter storm in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in record snowfall across several states and at least ten deaths.
News source(s): CNN USA Today
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unusual and impactful event. ArionStar (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose routine season weather (at least, in the face of climate change). Unless it causes significant deaths or damage, we don't post routine weather events. Masem (t) 22:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    It is the first blizzard recorded in the Gulf Coast history and caused $14-$17 billion in damage… ArionStar (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    To add to my oppose, the quality of this article is typical of these types of non-destructive storms - that is, poor. In that it is the equivalent of trainspotting wrt news topics. It just lists various things by state that were impacted or shut down without any attempt at a larger narrative structure. That might be good for starting an article but it does not represent the quality that other event articles at least get (And I'm ignoring the two empty sections at this point). Its the equivalent of WP:PROSELINE. At *least* there's no "thoughts and prayers"-type reaction section; what reactions are present are at least in context and actual "reactions" to response to the storm like states of emergency. And further, while some may think this is the first big storm in the south (just because the most SE states are getting snow), lest we forget February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm, which had a far more serious impact on the southern states than this one and was also a Gulf storm. Basically, most of the coverage on this storm is equivalent to first-world problems of people in an tech-savvy nation having to deal with snow for the first time in their lives. --Masem (t) 01:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support 10 inches of snow in New Orleans per NBC. Also, 5.5 inches of snow in Florida, a new record. 9 deaths isn't that much but given the state of infrastructure in the South being more prepared for heatwaves than cold snaps and blizzards that toll is going to rise a lot. I'd hold out on the monetary toll, though. Departure– (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support as this is clearly a historic blizzard. Norbillian (talk) 23:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Unusual and perhaps entirely unprecedented meteorological event. Consider the fact that the damages in this situation likely don't factor in economic disruption, which will likely be quite high given poor road conditions are expected to persist through the end of the workweek in areas such as New Orleans. I have proposed an alt that adjusts a few things (I believe recorded records to be the main story here, actually, and I think "blizzard" is a bit misleading in this scenario; from what I heard, the full conditions for a "blizzard" were ultimately not met, even if "blizzard conditions" were present in some locales at some times). DarkSide830 (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - insanely rare event. Solid impacts and several deaths. (not sure what happened to another user's and my comment) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
     Question: observing the pile-on support, when is a blurb ready? ArionStar (talk) 03:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    @ArionStar: This question was asked only 5 hours after the nomination, during the middle of the night for editors in Europe. Unless there's some unusual urgency, it's usually best to wait 24 hours to give an opportunity for everyone to comment. Modest Genius 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thank you! I'm still understanding the ITN business. ArionStar (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support extremely unusual weather event, with record-breaking snowfall for areas that rarely see even an inch in a given year. The Kip 05:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per others, deadly and unusual. --SpectralIon 05:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per others as this is a highly unusual(even unique?) record breaking event. Economic costs are likely to be massive. –DMartin 07:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose The claims that this is unprecedented seem exaggerated as Snow in Louisiana and Snow in Florida contain many recent examples such as February 15–20, 2021 North American winter storm and February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm which both reached as far south as Mexico. Also I notice a typo of "wreck havoc" which needs work. FYI, see previous discussions including this and that with mixed results. My impression is that the 2021 Texas power crisis was a significant additional factor in the 2021 cases but we don't seem to have such an infrastructure failure this time. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    Gulf Coastal Mexico is the southernmost near-sea level North Hemisphere place to ever have the tiniest amount of snow in recorded history. Likely most equatorial near-sea level sprinkle on Earth. Also did this one snow coastal Mexico or not? 12.74.62.22 (talk) 14:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb in principle, as this is an unusual and record-breaking storm with wide impacts. However the article is not ready due to having two orange-tagged section stubs. Those need some expansion before posting; otherwise the article is reasonably well developed. Modest Genius 13:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Andrew and Masem. It's...winter in the northern hemisphere. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    Florida does not typically get 4-8 inches of snow in that northern-hemisphere winter, and Louisiana does not typically get blizzard warnings. The Kip 14:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    But it happens. It doesn't usually happen in the Sahara desert either (to compare latitudes) and I wouldn't consider ITN-worthy either. When we see snow in Rio de Janeiro or Fiji, maybe it is an extraordinary event. This is not a news ticket. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    See Snow in Florida and Snow in Louisiana. Not that rare. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    Even New York City (latitude 41) has only had 5 blizzard warnings in the last over quarter century. The Sahara has mountains. The latitude record for even the slightest trace of near-sea level snow is c. 22 North (from Tampico In February 1895, snow was reported to have fallen in Tampico. This is the North American record for the farthest south report of snow at a coastal location, and makes Tampico one of the few places where snow has fallen in the tropics at sea level.). Rio is @ latitude 22.9068S no snow on record with a record low of 6.4°C Fiji's 17.7134S record low 5.6°C snow impossible in current climatic era almost impossible in the last ice age according to one of the world's climatology experts on snow possibility with an entire Pacific upwind of it there's a reason Bermuda 32°N has never had snow or 0°C (no sufficiently thick or near landmass connection to colder places). Also both Rio+Fiji are South Hemisphere which almost certainly makes snow harder than the same latitude North (look at how perfectly shaped North America is for low latitude snow cold air can flow all the way from Yukon (which has the lowest record low outside Greenland/Antarctic/Siberia -63C) to Tampico) it's excessive to demand snow there. Tampico record low only -1.5°C latitude 22.26N. The moist mild air+sub 0°C dry air fighting that makes the snow would tend to rapidly weaken the northern cold turning the few flakes to snow-melting rain ending any death risk as Gulf Mexicans have much more experience with rain. Also the linear storm wasn't aimed at coastal Mexico or extreme south Florida. Mountain Mexico yes but not Gulf Mexico (Bahamas got flurries). Hong Kong has had snow near sea level (22.2588N if HK Island though I suppose it could've been more like Shenzhen 22.5429N which is on the coast+borders HK), snow unheard of in Macau 22.1987Nish.12.74.62.22 (talk) 15:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    That's like saying a school shooting isn't notable because List of school shootings in the United States (2000–present) has dozens of cases a year. In the case of both, magnitude matters. Both articles include almost every possible edge case - the articles you've linked document any case of even flurries (ie not even a recorded dusting). What you're basically insinuating here is 10 inches of snow in a region where even an inch is uncommon is the same as ephemeral precipitation. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    This comment belies a radical lack of understanding about the shape of the earth and the distribution of weather relative to latitude. Is it your understanding that the Northern hemisphere is cold and the Southern hemisphere hot? LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    don't disrespect anyone on this site. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support bizarre and unprecedented weather event affecting an entire region. Snowfall records are being smashed - New Orleans got 8" of snowfall in a day, the previous daily snowfall record for New Orleans was 2.7" (source: NWS). LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article is poor and does not even mention damages, let alone $14 billion. And I'd be surprised if a small bit of snow cost $14bn in damages? Meanwhile, "record snow" sounds good but is actually a small amount that most places wouldn't even consider for a moment. Black Kite (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - the number of deaths in the article is completely unsourced, and at least 4 that I know of were the result of a traffic accident. Yes, snow causes slick roads and more traffic accidents. It snowed where it usually doesnt snow. Thats it, thats the story. nableezy - 23:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment - Both proposed blurbs currently say "...in the Gulf Coast...". This is not idiomatic - either it snows on the coast, or it snows in the Gulf Coast region. But perhaps we should say "along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico"? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    I presume it is talking about the region, but it should be more clear. I wouldn't drag Gulf of Mexico in here for... obvious reasons. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support alt-blurb. The article could still be better, but this broke all-time records for snowfall in many places and is properly unprecedented for this region. Dragons flight (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Tabish Mehdi

Article: Tabish Mehdi (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Inquilab, Daily Jasarat
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Indian poet, a literary critic, journalist, and writer. Khaatir (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose His literacy work section needs more citations. Support All article quality issues have been cleared up. Well done, User:Khaatir. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Fakescientist8000 Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the Literary works section by reducing the number of books and retaining only a few key titles, with references that were already provided, such as Naqsh-e-Awwal (1971), Ghazal Khwani Nahin Jati (2020), and Hali, Shibli aur Iqbal (2017). These works are included with their proper citations and comply with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines. I hope this resolves your concerns. Khaatir (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Enough for RD. Well done. Grimes2 (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment: Introduction of the article states "His writings have been described by some commentators as reflecting intellectual depth and creativity." but this is not discussed elsewhere in the article. Spencer 02:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Charles A. Doswell III

Article: Charles A. Doswell III (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Meteoweb
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Nominator's comments: Meteorology researcher who pioneered the modern model of the supercell. I have notability/quality concerns but putting it here to see what others think. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Research should be better detailed, and there's an unsourced paragraph in there. Departure– (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Mauricio Funes

Article: Mauricio Funes (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): AP, Rtrs
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Nominator's comments: President of El Salvador 2009–14 (FMLN), died in exile in Nicaragua on 21 Jan. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment This should be a blurb as Funes was the head of both state and government in El Salvador. Departure– (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Support, weak oppose blurb - Funes is nowhere near as well known than other world leaders. I might be thinking with a hint of Americentrism though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment. I'd be surprised if he was deemed worthy of a blurb. It's not automatic for former heads of state/govt: Carter/Fujimori/Mandela/Thatcher he wasn't. There might be a case to be argued on the grounds of the "symbolic" importance of the handover of power after the Civil War, but it's not a strong one. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose blurb not a serving head of state/gov't. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose blurb, support RD per Wildfireupdateman. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support RD, Extremely weak oppose blurb Article looks good, former president of a growing country needs some recognition 70.107.88.211 (talk) 01:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin

Article at AfD. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: Francisco San Martin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
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RD: Garth Hudson

Article: Garth Hudson (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Toronto Star, Ultimate Classic Rock
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Nominator's comments: American musician, member of The Band, death announced today. GeoGreg (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jules Feiffer

Article: Jules Feiffer (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Washington Post, The Hollywood Reporter
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Nominator's comments: American cartoonist, death announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire

Article: 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Another tragedy. Another article to work. ArionStar (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Like all of my other votes, Oppose on quality but Support on notability Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
@Bloxzge 025: in good shape now. ArionStar (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking better but still can be improved. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak Support - article is slightly stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait: 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:NEWSEVENT explains "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. I'm not seeing anything further in this case. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Håkon Bleken

Article: Håkon Bleken (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NRK, abcnyheter.no
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. Oceanh (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump executive orders

SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incoming US President Donald Trump (pictured) issues a flurry of executive orders including withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and the World Health Organization (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW
Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a nomination for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the American Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:C5C1:C762:3EA7:2882 (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? Black Kite (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Front-page news everywhere PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, oppose the other orders or lumping them together, strong oppose on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. Modest Genius 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. nableezy - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. La Ovo (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. qw3rty 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: John Sykes

Article: John Sykes (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Nominator's comments: Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024–25 College Football Playoff

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 23:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In college football Ohio State defeats Notre Dame to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In college football the Ohio State Buckeyes defeat the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff.
News source(s): Guardian live updates
Credits: Nominator's comments: They finally found a way to hike tournament size from 4 teams to 12 removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+New Years Six tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is not the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. Noah, BSBA 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than Super Bowl quarterback Brock Purdy. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. Noah, BSBA 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Man, I hate to be the one to tell you about the NIL, but college players are being paid salaries now. Scuba 21:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Support top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. Scuba 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
If "Canadian Football" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then College Football is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. Scuba 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong Support This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. LocoTacoFever (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

They make up to $6.2 million from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Moved. Masem (t) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It's not UTC date? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that. — Masem (t) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability, once winner determined. This is a massive, massive deal in the U.S. – the second biggest sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 ("Record number of international athletes proves college football is now global"), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive several million per year for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the largest sports stadiums in the world being for college football. I previously made a comparison of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly every single one we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and the World Series, which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait The game is not over yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability per Beanie. The Kip 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. nableezy - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting any university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only very minor rules adjustments, less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. Modest Genius 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are different enough that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Considering that new NIL deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. DecafPotato (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. Spencer 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there is a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. Black Kite (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Admittedly I am a Buckeye so I do have a bit of bias, but I believe that the amount of international coverage described to by BeanieFan is sufficient to warrant inclusion. Plus, college football is easily one of the most internationally significant parts of American culture, up there with apple pie. Some teams such as Bama have sizable followings across Mexico, China, Australia, and Western Europe (per al.com) InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks

Article: 2025 Catatumbo attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of attacks perpetrated by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cecile Richards

Article: Cecile Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Weak oppose 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. Departure– (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump

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Proposed image Article: Second inauguration of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as President and Vice President of the United States.
News source(s):
Credits: Nominator's comments: This occurs at noon EST today. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. Departure– (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Support meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:3DEF:5E7B:72CC:6A64 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose and snow close per above. The Kip 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. PolarManne (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg

Article: Jeff Torborg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml

Article: Kulanthai Shanmugalingam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northbeat
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Nominator's comments: prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka Abishe (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States

Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Restrictions on TikTok in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Social media platform TikTok (message pictured) suspends operations in the United States after its parent company ByteDance fails to sell the app to a U.S. based buyer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Social media TikTok (message pictured) is officially shut down in the United States following ByteDance inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) following ByteDance's inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) in anticipation of legislation banning the app.
News source(s): TheVerge CNN Rappler Reuters
Credits: Nominator's comments: Also, nominated by QalasQalas Royiswariii Talk! 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free speach speech" 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support with modifications. Shutdown is a noun, so it should say "shut down in the United States". 675930s (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Fixed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support the original altblurb II. Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States, as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. 2600:1700:5890:69F0:3DB3:30C8:4F5F:E360 (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support first blurb. Obviously notable Personisinsterest (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better Personisinsterest (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt Personisinsterest (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support original blurb Of course. ArionStar (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --Masem (t) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --Masem (t) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.
      I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US. — Masem (t) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. Royiswariii Talk! 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been any progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
      Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). Masem (t) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Alt blurb 3; it's worth mentioning the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Should this image be used instead of the current skinny image? AlphaBeta135talk 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @AlphaBeta135, I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. Royiswariii Talk! 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
TikTok bans
Misplaced Pages bans
  • Support ALT3. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- Patar knight - /contributions 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per SimpleSubCubicGraph Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. Blythwood (talk) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news now. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. PolarManne (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @PolarManne, I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President Donald Trump, then, just nominate it. Royiswariii Talk! 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days. — Masem (t) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on U.S.. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ByteDance, then we can nominate a another separate news on this. Royiswariii Talk! 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See Why is its disappearance being met with a shrug? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Have you been on social media recently? Personisinsterest (talk) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    the article Kevin Roose of The New York Times is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is 170 Million users around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. Royiswariii Talk! 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even nominated for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:5DA5:1062:6319:56FF (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Oppose Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
    Noah, BSBA 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? Khuft (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. Gotitbro (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like Marvel Snap). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. Masem (t) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Gotitbro Lemon8 and CapCut are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. AlphaBeta135talk 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "TikTok ban bill", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. Gotitbro (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per above Sharrdx (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait or Strong oppose As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users, which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st TNM101 (chat) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem TheHiddenCity (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". Khuft (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changing my vote to Oppose given the latest developments. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. Hungry403 (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close Ban lifted. 85.166.4.191 (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose events have now overtaken this. Support close. Nfitz (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. RachelTensions (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. Gravity 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support ALT3. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... Tradedia 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Closed) Storming of South Korean court

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 22:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Supporters of South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol raid the Seoul Western District Court  (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. (Post)
News source(s): Chosun Blitz The Korea Times
Credits: Nominator's comments: This is the first time in South Korean constitutional history that a court was attacked by people. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 07:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Apart from the WP:SEAOFBLUE violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen

Article: Claire van Kampen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the Royal Shakespeare Company, who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Please check, Fakescientist8000

(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran

Proposed image Article: 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two Sharia judges are assassinated and two other people are injured in a mass shooting at the Supreme Court of Iran (pictured) in capital Tehran. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The Kip 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
The article title on this event also uses this term 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran, so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. Natg 19 (talk) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Done (both) by Amakuru 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). Natg 19 (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion

Article: 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explosion near Suleja, Niger state, Nigeria, kills at least 98 people and injures 69 others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: High number of deaths. ArionStar (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Russell Marshall

Article: Russell Marshall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz, Radio New Zealand
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced. Kiwichris (talk) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume

Proposed image Article: Didier Guillaume (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Didier Guillaume, the Minister of State of Monaco, dies, and Isabelle Berro-Amadeï is appointed as the acting Minister of State (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde Sarajevo Times Monaco Tribune
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government TNM101 (chat) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Per Minister of State (Monaco), The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco and the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military. They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.
Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough on their own to post on ITN with a blurb. According to Monarchy of Monaco, only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that head of government is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
And ultimately, the results of general elections are already able to be posted, so the only thing that saying Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page List of current heads of state and government. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: Charles III, and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The head of state of Monaco is the prince. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Somewhat medium support. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which administers the executive", per our article on the office. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, our article on the monarchy states Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke> -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support blurb despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. Scuba 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
RD Only - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. 1779Days (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. Aydoh8 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Denis Law

Article: Denis Law (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Record goalscorer for Manchester United and the Scotland national team, Ballon d'Or winner (1964). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Law wasn't in the United team for the 1968 European Cup final, because he was injured. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright

Article: Joan Plowright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 wizzito | say hello! 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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