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== Gjirokastër == | ||
| Your summary at the RfC was brilliant indeed.I share your concern for Jagged´s agenda.Do you think he will change? all the best--] (]) 23:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn[REDACTED] into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. ] (]) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you very much. I'm glad you think so, because it took me almost five hours to write that and I almost gave up a couple of times. I think the RfC/U was very much a success, I think that either way the problem had been resolved. Nice working with you and see you around. ] (]) 02:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely ]. ] (]) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. ] (]) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Can you please and then report the user to 3RR? Thanks in addition. ] (]) 09:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Don't bother, I warned the user and wait to see. ] (]) 09:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. ] (]) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Notification == | |||
| I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. ] (]) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| I mentioned your name in a proposal I made at ], in the thread about Kedadi . ] ] 14:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania ] (]) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for the info == | |||
| :Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. ] (]) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. ] (]) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Interesting Article == | |||
| :Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. ] (]) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Hello. I'd like to bring to your attention an interesting article you might be willing to contribute to: | |||
| ::You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . ] (]) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. ] (]) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. ] (]) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| BTW, the deletion of it is now being discussed at: | |||
| Have we reached a consensus? ] (]) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing[REDACTED] articles out of desperation that his country has fake history | |||
| Regards, ] (]) 18:15, 1 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] == | |||
| Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – ] (]) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding ] )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. ] (]) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| You are invited to participate in this board, which I just created. Please feel free to bring there your concerns. Cheers! --<sub><span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></sub><sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – ] (]) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :And thank you for being the first one to endorse and support the board. By the way was harsh but you know what? I know how you feel. However, now I really have to do a quick translation of what I said in the Albanian board , because you deserve it. | |||
| :::In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. ] (]) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Vurg == | |||
| ''It has been very difficult for me to edit the Albanian articles in the last three months. I would have wanted that those who know English contribute in the English project with their translations, because we can't take too much info from the Albanain project, furthermore in some cases the English project is better than the Albanian one. Our problem are the sources which are almost not even used in the Albanian Misplaced Pages. In general the antiquity is apanage of the Greeks and it is very difficult to communicate with them. The Thesprotians, the Molossians the Chaonians are characterized as Greeks, Pyrrus of Epirus is represented as Greek, and so does The Great Alexander. Athenean, Alexikoua and Megistias, the most active Greek contributors and the most antialbanians are masters of the revert. Athenean and Alexikoua have reported me 100 times and I have often been blocked, but I also have had them blocked sometimes. Have fun in reading (I invite you to read my defense, which although it is long, shows you what happens), and . You can contact me if you want to give your contributions in the English Misplaced Pages.'' | |||
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| If this is meatpuppetry, feel free to report me. I don't think it is: it is an invitation to Albanians to contribute in translations of the articles with their Albanian sources. I say above that you, Megistias, and Alexikoua are anti-Albanians. However I have NEVER contacted someone off-wiki and I am certainly not making any recruitments: I am just responding to the concern that was raised in the Albanian[REDACTED] about how the Albanian articles were being covered in the English project. Albanian newbies come to contribute because when they read Misplaced Pages in English, they know that the articles are edited by non-Albanians and when they start improving them, they get a kick in the derriere because they are reported by you. They are newbies and there will always be newbies around. They ain't socks. And you should be nicer to them. Bye now and come to the board to contribute. --<sub><span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></sub><sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Suppose you are on a wiki break. I see these ips and spi accounts (Kushtrim&Stupidus Maximus) make a real concert these days, According Stupidus, I have real doubts if one of these ips are his.] (]) 17:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Brill sources== | |||
| :Great, good to have you back! ] (]) 17:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Long time no speak. I stumbled across these sources at Brill, thought you might be interested.-- Take care, - ] (]) 01:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. ] (]) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| Pws to kanw auto? ] (]) 21:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I find this slightly disturbing in terms of ]. ] (]) 19:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Pas sto "my preferences" pano pano, kai sto user preferences kaneis tick to koutaki "enable e-mail from other users". Kai sbhse to mhnyma mou mwlis to kaneis, etsi gia na mhn fainetai tpt. ] (]) 21:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| : Ennoeis na balw to to diko mou mail, diladi auto pou idi exw, as poume sto yahoo? Kai einai asfales auto? ] (]) 21:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| you keep reverting my edits even though i gave sources. You are a biased nationalistic greej ] (]) 12:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :This is the most ludicrous accusation that I've ever heard. That certainly wasn't my intention and I don't know why you would say that. I'm trying to "pass myself off as an admin"? Really? Where? I just cut-and-pasted the Balkans warning template and displayed it on his talkpage, which anyone can do, and which he richly deserves. And could you ''for once'' try and be a little impartial and look at how disruptive this user has been? ''He'' is the one who is being disruptive here, not me, yet here you are. Let me guess, someone (no prizes for guessing who) contacted you on IRC? ] (]) 23:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| i do not care about your opinions, i am making a better a[REDACTED] contributing and spreading the real history, and no im not a nationalist, and i am citing sources also | |||
| ::I asked around and it seems that only admins can use that warning not normal users.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 07:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Hey Athenean, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I mentioned on the Turkey edit page that Ozguroot is a sockpuppet--now he's asking me to prove it. I'm not quite sure how, can you give me a hand? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| :Hi Dousis. The sockpuppet I was referring to is ]. It's him, without a doubt. I'm not too familiar with Ozguroot, but it seems he is a sockpuppet of someone else (]). I'm kinda busy at the moment both in wiki and in real life, but I will look into it as soon as I can. Best, ] (]) 19:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Hormova== | |||
| You can remove the ultra-gore, sure. Leave in the parts about foreign response, and the claimed numbers of deaths. ] (]) 19:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| I've added some (more) additional evidence in his spi. It seems that with this afd he declared that he is Guildenrich...] (]) 05:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| It seems that this S.M. saga is finally over. I thought that this guy would finally self declare as reincarnation of Guildenrich, while on the same time denying any relation with him.05:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Constantine the Great== | |||
| I need your opinion please. --<sub><span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></sub><sup><small>]</small></sup> 20:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, hope you're doing well. Could you please explain why you reverted my last edit on Constantine the Great? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Hi == | |||
| :Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. ] (]) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I may move from Albania to Greece. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :For the record, this particular user was ''not'' the reincarnation of Stupidus Maximus. It was one of our regular vandals trying to stir up more trouble. (I'd name him, but that would just gratify his infantile ego.) ] (]) 18:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I just cited some sources of his Illyrian profile, and corrected that his mother was Anatolian and not Greek, anything wrong with that? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I would appreciate if you have any objection about my proposal in Fustanella.] (]) 08:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :You didn't "correct" anything, there are five sources in the article that state she was Greek, you just falsified it because ]. Don't do it again. ] (]) 19:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Jagged 85 == | |||
| ==Template:Greeks== | |||
| Hi. I am a specialist in the history of logic, particularly the medieval period. I wrote most of ] (not the section on modern logic). I have been concerned for some time about misrepresentation of Islamic achievements in the area of philosophy and logic (the Islamic philosophers made some great innovations, by the way, but Jagged's work entirely misrepresents them). Then I noticed the recent RfC and was shocked by the scale of what he (or she) has done. The errors in the logic and philosophy articles are still there. What is to be done? I wrote about the problem here in my blog, which has a wide academic readership. Note particularly the point about the dissemination of inaccurate information all across the web. ] (]) 09:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Hello. As you can see I am still dissatisfied with the situation at the template. You expressed room for compromise at that RfC. Does this still stand? ] ] ] 06:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Indeed, the damage he has done is immense, and it extends far beyond the history of science. Democracy, Human rights, Women's rights, you name it, there isn't a single article or section involving the history of an idea that he hasn't contaminated with his POV. I am very grateful to you for publicizing the situation on your blog, and you hit on all the main points. The good news is that the RfC was successful: He has gone on an indefinite wiki-break as a result, and knows full well that should he return and resume his past behavior, he will be banned in short order. So the damage is done, but it has at least been contained, and now the cleanup begins. There are a number of editors who are working on cleaning up after him, each one within his own specialty. I am delighted to hear you specialize in logic and the history of logic, as these articles definitely need some cleanup, and they are far from my specialty so I cannot do it myself. The extent of the damage is such that it is too much for one person to undo, but if a number of editors do their part within their specialty, then we can roll back a lot of it. So feel free to edit those articles, and do not worry about Jagged, his days of wreaking havoc on this encyclopedia are over, one way or another. ] (]) 18:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :: Unfortunately I was banned last year for my continued and outspoken criticism of bullies in the administration so I cannot help. (I am Peter Damian - I created many articles on logic and philosophy). A number of editors have approached me privately by email with the idea of presenting a petition to Arbcom. If you or any others are interested in joining, you can contact me at my user page on Commons . I am glad to hear, anyway, that the days of Jagged 85 are over. Peter ] (]) 08:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Can you refresh my memory? I do not quite recall which RfC you are referring to. ] (]) 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you aren't aware of the exact circumstances, Athenean, is the actual ban discussion: community banned for attacking another editor on Misplaced Pages with a sockpuppet while being blocked with his main account. Note that more recent socks include e.g. ], which was blocked even before it was known that it was a PD sock. ] (]) 13:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow. | |||
| :::: Perhaps if we were allowed a bit more discussion of those incidents, Fram? Instead of one side having all the say and another blocked? Fram is famous for having disrupted the , preventing it reaching its conclusion. The ] now remains vandalised by Jagged 85. Who is going to fix it? ] (]) 06:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? ] ] ] 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you start by telling lies, like you did in your second post here, it's hard to take you serious. Apart from that, I'm only "famous" for that FAC in the opinion of you and perhaps SandyGeorgia. No one else seems to have noticed it or remembered it. ] (]) 07:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. ] (]) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". ] (]) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::That would work as well. ] (]) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. ] ] ] 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. ] (]) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. {{u|Piccco}}, may you offer a third view? ] ] ] 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. ] ] ] 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. ] (]) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Illyrians== | |||
| ::::::I do not know the particulars of the dispute between you guys, although the sockpuppetry does seem pretty serious. What I do know, however, is that ] and ] are in a parlous state and need work. ] (]) 16:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I noticed a message on my Talk page accusing me of edit warring. I believe I was simply trying to contribute to Misplaced Pages and didn't intend to cause any issues. I’m committed to following Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and would appreciate any advice on how to proceed. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ::<cite id=amalev> Athenean, I'm afraid that the person behind Jagged_85 is actually still editing, albeit no longer with that account. It doesn't look like he is planning to clean his mess up. Like:</cite> | |||
| ::* {{diff2|357982528|Forced conversion}} | |||
| ::* {{diff2|361388541|Rashidun Caliphate}} | |||
| ::* {{diff2|360602206|Reciprocating engine}} | |||
| ::* {{diff2|362466412|Bombay (film)}} | |||
| ::* {{diff2|362477566|Mexican standoff}} | |||
| :: Can I leave this with you to touch base with the other users from the RfC/U to do the required follow-ups, and coordinate how this can be cleaned up?<br>FWIW, there is a tool used by the copyright violation cleanup people, the ], that might be helpful here to create a list of articles and diffs that need to be looked at (like e.g. ]). You could ask one of the regulars there to create it for you.<br>] 08:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::: |
:See ], ], ], ], and ] for starters. If you continue to restore your edits, it is very likely admins will block you from editing. ] (]) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | ||
| Thanks but i'm not doing any Edit war, i'm simply here to edit and contribute i have nothing against noone. I'm just simply trying to cite sources and contribute on[REDACTED] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ::::Many thanks for spotting this, Amalthea, and for blocking his (domestic, static) IP address. | |||
| ::::So, as soon as the RfC/U was launched, he started editing from his IP address and, as soon as his IP address was blocked, he started edited again (so far only once) via his own account. Definitely an avoidance of scrutiny, as Amalthea noted. | |||
| ::::I'll have a look at some of those contributions, but the ones I've checked so far show no sign of a desire to change his ways. | |||
| ::::All the best. –] (]) 20:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::It sure looks like he's back; some old edits from that IP look very much like Jagged. The fact that the IP has no edits in talk space is also typical of Jagged. I had been wondering what Jagged was doing instead of his agreed role in cleaning up his mess, and now I see. --] (]) 21:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC); edited 21:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::I left a note on his talkpage. Let's see what he says. ] (]) 21:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| (].) --] (]) 07:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Not again, this sucks. If the identity of the said user and the IPs can be confirmed, then ] and ] should be applied vigorously: ''Jagged 85 agrees to follow through his commitment to this process and he understands that, if such problematic behaviour were to occur again, further action will be taken against him. Such an action would be a request for some sort of ban.'' ] (]) 22:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| I agree that the form and timing of edits from the IP 93.97.55.135's, and particularly the timing of {{diff2|367441855|this recent edit}} of Jagged85's, raise strong suspicions that the latter has been using the former to avoid scrutiny of his edits. However, I would urge caution in jumping to the conclusion that this has been incontrovertibly established. There appears to me to be fairly strong indications that someone other than Jagged85 has been editing from that IP, and if that is the case then the Jagged-like edits from the IP may not have been made by Jagged himself but by someone else who shares some of his interests and holds similar views on many of the interests they have in common. | |||
| Hello, Khirurg, | |||
| The IP address 93.97.55.135 is (currently, at least) static, so if more than one person has edited from it, the device to which it is associated could well belong to a household or organisation whose members share a similar range of beliefs and attitudes, and which provides several of those members with access to it. Without checkuser evidence that Jagged85's recent edit was made from the same user account on the device at the given IP address (assuming it's a multiuser system) as those recently made anonymously from that address—or, alternatively, an admission from Jagged85 himself that that is the case—I can't see that there are sufficient grounds for concluding that it is. Nevertheless, I do think there are sufficient grounds to warrant requesting a ] with checkuser evidence. I therefore suggest that such a request be lodged before any further action is taken.<br> | |||
| ] <small>(] · ])</small> 13:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for creating ]. | |||
| :In view of the evidence David has turned up, a sock puppet investigation is certainly called for. --] (]) 20:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ] have tagged ] as having some issues to fix, as a part of our ] and note that: | |||
| ::Absolutely. I wrote him a note on his talkpage to give him an opportunity to come clean/explain himself, but seeing as to how he is pretending not to notice, an SPI is the next step. Coming soon. ] (]) 20:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| {{Quote|1=Please see ]. An article can’t just be a collection of images with a brief introduction. There needs to be something substantial to say about the topic.}} | |||
| :::If this is his work (and I have no doubt that it is), he has breached three or four of the agreements he made in the RfC/U and, in starting to edit from his IP as soon as the RfC/U was raised (while saying on his talk page: "I'm in the middle of an RFC now, so I don't think it's a good idea for me to be editing articles right now."), no further assumption of good faith could possibly be made in his favour. | |||
| :::I notice David has an SPI request drafted, so I'll not race to start one myself. | |||
| :::All the best, if such there is. –] (]) 13:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| It seems that User:Zjarri. preffers underground irc activity for cu requests, no wonder he never shows up in wp:spi (apart from a funny report against Megistias, in which both ips were visible to common users). Since he was lately obsessive in reporting everything, I've asked him to bring evidence about what he claims. Else, I'll fill a wp:ani (this hate against newcommers is really tragic).] (]) 06:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually I never directly asked for a CU but I contacted an admin and he considered my suspicions reasonable and the user was a sock. I am entitled to have any opinion and it seems that some admins too think the same. I made my comment and I stated that it may be a bit far-fetched but you I certainly wouldn't discard it and since the beginning I stated it is an '''assumption''' so it depends upon the other users' opinion whether they consider it just an assumption or truly reasonable. If Alexikoua thinks that me reporting users' who sock and just revert others as disruptive then the verdict is on the two bans of that user.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 07:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :No problem, I'll flesh it out more. Thanks, ] (]) 03:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since this is all about off wiki, I really doubt that your intentions were innocent and in good faithin in irc. Your obsession to launch empty meatpuppetry accusations is really tragic (that's what we see in wiki).] (]) 07:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::That was a sockpuppet, wasn't it? Therefore, every label is redundant because my report was 100% correct.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 07:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Sure, a result of a specific editor's intense biting activity of newcommers. Please don't hide essential parts of this case. | |||
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| hello athenean some time ago i had made edits to the article ] that were reverted by user olahus for no reason..but some other ip which is apparently of a banned user ALSO edited it and it was protected so now i cant edit it..i mainly added some information on demography and streamlined some sections see and the edits following it. since its good content and not contentious or disputable do you think you could add it back? i think olahus might have protested the removal of some old ethnographic maps he added to[REDACTED] but they are irrelevant in that article where the arvanitic areas are specifically mentioned in words..(what do maps of epirus have to do with it anyway?)] (]) 01:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| oh...BTW here is the final version of my edits ] (]) 01:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes I remember. Your edits seemed pretty good and I agreed with them for the most part. I can add it back, but be aware that this is one of the hazards one faces when editing as an IP. Removals, even when eminently, are likely to be treated by people as vandalism. This is why you might want to think about getting a user name. It's the only way to get taken seriously around here (though it doesn't guarantee it). ] (]) 03:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| thanks for the tip but i really edit so rarely and on subjects few people know or care about...its mysterious why some people dont look at the content whether added or removed (both happened) and the reasoning behind that..it would still be nice if you could add it back on arvanites though thanks in any case..!] (]) 20:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| hi again..! biris isnt akin to something like kollias (though he wasnt a historian and he has some less accepted views) just in case you were worried..his chapter about the demographics mentions all the old views (19th-20th century) mentioned in the article plus some more and a slipup of hahn's apparently..since its only a review of other sources its good to add back imo] (]) 03:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello, sorry my knowledge of Greek is really limited. I hope you are doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I have just read your profile and you seem a very learned person and interested in diverse languages and cultures so maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm part of an association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this has not been approved up to this moment because it does not belong to one state. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: ]. Thanks again/σας ευχαριστώ, wishing you a great summer, take care! ] (]) 23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == epirus == | |||
| hi athenean this is something i also recommended to alex since its in greek..it has imo some relevant information to the 'debate' both about the definition(s) of epirus and about the population http://helios-eie.ekt.gr/EIE/handle/10442/8080 take a look sometime also please think about leaving both 'greeks were' and 'albanians were' versions out if you read the relevant parts in the source i linked i think you will be convinced anyway] (]) 02:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| BTW to give you a headstart look at his rough map on page 374 (in reality there were also some small greekspeaking -eg parga, himare, narte...- and albanian speaking exceptions in the areas of contiguous speech as he writes) on the borders of greek and albanian speech (also religion and the vlach areas)..though it has to be said that ultimately the problem of speech concerns nationalism little since many albanianspeaking christians became part of the greek nation even in epirus but not the other way (for wellknown historical reasons..greek education, early emergence of greek nationalism, the division of albanian speakers in two religions, four 'denominations' etc)] (]) 02:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| It seems he never stops to be disruptive even unlogged he creates the same mess ].] (]) 22:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Is the very definition of ]? <small style="background:#000">''']<span style="color:#fff;background:#f00">al</span>'''</small> 12:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == Off-wiki activity by Sulmues == | |||
| I want just to inform you that a very very weird pattern was performed by Sulmues on talk:Gjin Boua Shpata. Although he admitted that he found reasonable my edit on the Shpata family section after 6 days of absence 'someone' conveiced him (obviously off-wiki) to follow the extreme national line.] (]) 05:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| I have added a at ]. I would very much appreciate your impression, especially | |||
| :(a) if you can suggest a way to improve the clarity of the writing and/or | |||
| :(b) if you construe any part of the diff as insufficiently moderate and forward-looking. | |||
| As you will guess, I invested quite a bit of time in drafting this; and I want to encourage you to contact me by e-mail with any constructive comments and criticism. --] (]) 19:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi, I will look into it a bit deeper, but on first glance, your post is somewhat unclear. I'm not sure what you are trying to say in some parts. More later. ] (]) 21:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for this comment. Other have also explained that my prose is unclear. Your writing is not unclear.<p>My problem isn't solely to do with my writing skills, but also to do with what I was trying to achieve. My ability to be helpful in this context is limited. Please give me some time to think about this some more. --] (]) 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::<b>Restatement</b>. Please join me in encouraging ] to move what he wrote at . My guess is that ]'s insights are likely to be undervalued as part of a talk page thread. | |||
| :::]'s step-by-step approach helped me to clarify my understanding of the nested problem set. The sentences are demonstrably constructive, helpful, and plain. The paragraphs illustrate effective writing. I would like to see this section's text re-positioned on the main page at ]. This will give you and others the opportunity to join me in endorsing the problem-solving approach and conclusions. | |||
| :::Significantly, you will want to read the response drafted by ]. The reaction shows that ] also construes these words as a constructive investment of time and thought. Hopefully, the structure of this diff can be the catalyst for a few more steps in a productive process. | |||
| :::I wonder if ]'s reasoning needs to be highlighted as a kind of template for use in other difficult contexts? --] (]) 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing== | |||
| {{wikiquote|Yogi Berra}} | |||
| This edit by ] at ] caused me to draft this explanation. The edit was quickly undone by ] ; but it may be productive to seize this trivial edit as an opportunity to underscore what I mean in using this curious phrase. | |||
| :I discovered these words on the userpage of ]; and I was surprised that it made sense to me. Conventionally, this form of word play escapes my grasp. I don't know whether ] is the originator or whether it is copied from an unattributed source. | |||
| :My guess is that this is a peculiarly American formulation which parodies the words of ]? Berra is well known for his pithy comments and witticisms which are called "'']s''." Yogiisms very often take the form of either an apparently obvious ], or a ]ical ]. | |||
| :] has explained that he is an American, the son of emigrants who came to the United States when he was six years old. Arguably, ] will find value in this semi-Yogiism. Perhaps the point will be immediately accessible in ways that a carefully-composed, logical exposition fails to achieve? Who can say? In this RfC context, I interpret the phrase to mean that | |||
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| ::'''the main thing''' | |||
| ::is to keep '''the main thing''' | |||
| ::'''the main thing''' | |||
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| :the primarly objective of a RfC | |||
| :is to maintain a clear focus | |||
| :on the purpose of the exercise | |||
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| :In other words, it is important to avert a possibility that the RfC may become side-tracked or distracted by tangential issues. I hoped that this phrase would resonate in some way for ]. More broadly, I hoped that it would contribute to prospects of a constructive outcome. | |||
| :Does this help explain what I meant and what I intended? If not, please allow me to try to explain again using different words. | |||
| Do you think this phrase helps to focus attention, or is it counterproductive? | |||
| Does this phrase help or hinder the "]"? --] (]) 16:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi there. No, I don't think the phrase is helpful. It's not really meant to be taken seriously, and will draw attention to itself rather the subject of the RfC/U. Hope that helps. ] (]) 17:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you. Your comment was insightful. | |||
| ::I accept your good judgment; and I did strike out the sentence --] (]) 02:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == Turkish "mass landing of troops" == | |||
| Hi | |||
| Just to let you know that I am unable to comment as I am neutral. It is not my intention to cause conflict but have made the RfC as another editor asked who could decide. I felt that an RfC would be best rather than to just keep going in circles on this matter as it seems happens every year or so. | |||
| Apologies as I know we have discussed this before :¬) | |||
| ] (]) 22:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Paleo-Balkan == | |||
| The source refers to the Illyrians and the Thracians which were the northern Paleo-Balkan tribes in constrast to the Greeks that were the southern ones.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Like you said in one of your edit summaries, "stick to what the sources say please". ] (]) 18:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :An explanation is needed in this case because the reader can't know to what the source refers so please don't insist on such an issue.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::The only problem with that is that by the 7th century BC, the various Paleo-Balkan tribes had already differentiated into Hellenes, Illyrians, Thracians, etc... Paleo-Balkan is a very vague term that should be used with care, not bandied about as a way of shouting "not Greek". ] (]) 18:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Athenean Paleo-Balkan doesn't mean that they once were the same tribe but they were the tribes that inhabited the Balkans in antiquity, so again you're making a terminology mistake. The northern ones were the Illyrians and the Thracians, while the southern the Greeks.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 19:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Not making any mistake, Paleo-Balkan is a very vague term that is used to loosely group tribes that had little in common. I personally think it should be used with care, no bandied about whenever we want to "prove" that something is not Greek. ] (]) 19:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| (unindent)Well the source doesn't refer to Greek tribes but to non-Greek ones specifically Illyrian and Thracian ones . Illyrian and Thracian artifacts are enlisted and then the source says:Indeed it was a centre for northern tribes etc.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::"Paleo Balkan" is strictly a linguistic term, to denote languages that were spoken in a specific area whose relationship to each other is unknown. It should only be used in a linguistic context. The way I see it, you have already added a sentence about Illyrian artifacts in 700-600 BC, so the second sentence is '''completely''' redundant. Shall we add a third one too? I left it there as a compromise. Don't push it. ] (]) 19:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| (unindent)Those two sentences are completely unrelated:the first one lists Illyrian artifacts while the second refers to the oracle's importance for northern and southern Paleo-Balkan people. Compromise is a result of dispute resolution not decisions to remove sourced content.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 19:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::They are in fact identical in spirit to anyone who knows a little about ancient religions. In those days, people left artifacts at places they considered holy. People didn't go to a holy place without leaving anything, nor did they leave votive artifacts in places that they didn't consider holy. Saying "place Y was holy to X" and "X left votive artifacts at Y" is really the same thing. Also note that the chronology is identical (700-600BC). I propose only one be kept, preferably the first. ] (]) 19:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| (unindent)You're making OR deductions that aren't related any policy so I'll ask from someone else to intervene:FutureP.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 20:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC | |||
| ==Apology== | |||
| I admit I was too hasty in introducing this quote. I thought as the quote related to Chinese superiority in methods of weapon production, it was not involved with the earlier quote about technology. Now that I have thought about it, it seems too similar ot the previous quote. I apologize for any mishaps this could have caused. I promise not to make another edit like this without prior discussion again.] (]) 22:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :Done. Or at least I think so. ] (]) 00:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==NGC policy regarding modern placenams== | |||
| What is your opinion on ] or ]? I usually do not occupy myself with modern articles, I just happened upon a user from Bulgaria who is adding Bulgarian untransliterated placenames into (usually) Greek articles according to NGC. I won't really pursue this issue but I started a discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28geographic_names%29 to understand how this policy is to be interpreted. ] (]) 13:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sockpuppet Inc.== | |||
| Congratulation on this perfect and detailed spi case. I bet all the administrators that had to deal with the lunacy of Sarandioti@socks will realize that we have his improved version in full motion now, per Fut's opinion. When this nationalistic madness will stop we have some real work to do: many wannabe ga's are waiting...] (]) 17:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| There is an increased disruptive ip activity on various articles. Have a look on: ]]]. Seems they have attacked at the same time a variety of Albanian related articles. The 2 of them are possibly Guildenrich&Lceliku] (]) 15:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Very possible, though I don't think the level of disruption is sufficiently severe that we need to notify the ]. ] (]) 18:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==Ping == | |||
| I have sent you an e-mail. --] (]) 02:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Reliable or not: Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history == | |||
| Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion on Temple's reliability ]. Regards ] (]) 08:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == I expect an apology == | |||
| For calling me or my edits "inane" multiple times. I will attribute this to your poor knowledge of English, but see : you may know that you have called me an idiot several times now your last one being . If you don't apologize within two hours of your next edit, I will take that as the n-th affront and will report you to an admin noticeboard. <span style="font-family: Gothic;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 15:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Seems to me like you're just angry that you got your rollback taken away. That's what happens when you misuse tools given to you by the community. My knowledge of English is far, far superior to yours by the way, and I have known full well what "inane" means all this while. Glad you finally figured it out. Many, far too many of your edits are indeed inane, the perfect example being this , not to mention stuff like this . When you don't have any idea what you're doing, and are editing subjects you know very little about, that's what happens. I haven't called ''you'' inane, but I stand by this characterization of your edits. Do what you need to do, but be warned that threats like the one you are making above are not looked upon kindly upon either by myself or the community. Now, stay off my talkpage, and if you come here and issue any more ultimatums like that it will be WP:AE for you. Clear? ] (]) 15:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'll email you if you want me off the talk page. --<span style="font-family: Gothic;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 02:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==RfC Teeninvestor== | |||
| Please comment on what I have posted . --] (]) 20:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==Dance of Zalongo== | |||
| Have a look at the article about ]. Read the talk page. Your help and advise is needed.] (]) 23:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Science in the Middle Ages == | |||
| Hello. You are invited to take part in the ]. The question is should we keep or remove the section on the Islamic world. Regards ] (]) 08:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :You are invited to participate in the vote at ] as an attempt to establish a consensus. Regards ] (]) 20:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == RfC == | |||
| {{talkback|Talk:Markos_Botsaris#RFC}}--<span style="font-family: Gothic;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 12:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Guildenrich & socks == | |||
| It seems now more than clear that this guy will never give up. Socks, socks and again socks. I plan to open an spi since I have time, but every single edit makes the situation more than clear (wp:rfcs was Guildenrich's last resort after unsucessfull and extreme disruption attempts, like in Moscopole).] (]) 10:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Palasë == | |||
| Thanks, If you have any further info I'll add your name to the DYK attribution.] ] 19:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == greek cities - alternative names in the lead == | |||
| Hello Athenean (geia sou), | |||
| I saw this edit and I invite you to participate in the discussion ]. | |||
| ] (]) 22:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==Communication== | |||
| So how do you want me to let you know that I need an answer? --<span style="font-family: Gothic;">] <sup>(])</sup></span> 21:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :I keep all these articles watchlisted, and I answer if or when I feel like it. There is no need to spam my talkpage with annoying notices. ] (]) 21:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Gjirokastër
Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn[REDACTED] into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely won't end well for you. Khirurg (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. Khirurg (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. Khirurg (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. Khirurg (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . Truth t (talk) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Have we reached a consensus? RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing[REDACTED] articles out of desperation that his country has fake history
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April 2023
Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – Βατο (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding WP:PUFFERY )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. Khirurg (talk) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – Βατο (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – Βατο (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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I am requesting a third opinion with the hope of reaching a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalHeritageAlb (talk • contribs) 16:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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Long time no speak. I stumbled across these sources at Brill, thought you might be interested.-- Take care, - LouisAragon (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
User:Khirurg/Taunts
I find this slightly disturbing in terms of WP:BATTLEFIELD. Kleuske (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- I am constantly on the receiving end of all sorts of taunts by a group of editors, and am currently collecting it for a possible future case. The taunting is non-stop, in almost every interaction, and I am at my wits' end. Please advise. Khirurg (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Epirus
you keep reverting my edits even though i gave sources. You are a biased nationalistic greej Truth t (talk) 12:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
i do not care about your opinions, i am making a better a[REDACTED] contributing and spreading the real history, and no im not a nationalist, and i am citing sources also
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Constantine the Great
Hello, hope you're doing well. Could you please explain why you reverted my last edit on Constantine the Great? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 17:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. Khirurg (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I just cited some sources of his Illyrian profile, and corrected that his mother was Anatolian and not Greek, anything wrong with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't "correct" anything, there are five sources in the article that state she was Greek, you just falsified it because you didn't like it. Don't do it again. Khirurg (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Greeks
Hello. As you can see I am still dissatisfied with the situation at the template. You expressed room for compromise at that RfC. Does this still stand? Super Ψ Dro 06:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you refresh my memory? I do not quite recall which RfC you are referring to. Khirurg (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow.
- My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. Khirurg (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". Piccco (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would work as well. Khirurg (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. Super Ψ Dro 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. Khirurg (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. Piccco, may you offer a third view? Super Ψ Dro 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. Khirurg (talk) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. Piccco, may you offer a third view? Super Ψ Dro 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. Khirurg (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. Super Ψ Dro 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would work as well. Khirurg (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". Piccco (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. Khirurg (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Illyrians
I noticed a message on my Talk page accusing me of edit warring. I believe I was simply trying to contribute to Misplaced Pages and didn't intend to cause any issues. I’m committed to following Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and would appreciate any advice on how to proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumbarschen (talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:EDITWAR, WP:REVERT, WP:3RR, WP:NPOV, and WP:UNDUE for starters. If you continue to restore your edits, it is very likely admins will block you from editing. Khirurg (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks but i'm not doing any Edit war, i'm simply here to edit and contribute i have nothing against noone. I'm just simply trying to cite sources and contribute on[REDACTED] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumbarschen (talk • contribs) 19:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ways to improve Ethnographic cartography of the Balkans in the late 19th and early 20th century
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- No problem, I'll flesh it out more. Thanks, Khirurg (talk) 03:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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Tempus fugit. Αλλα πια δε συμμαζευεται. Ο μεν χρονος μπορει να ρεει, αλλα μερικες επικες σχεσεις δεν επιτρεπεται ο χρονος να τις αποθετει στον καδο των αχρηστων. Enough said. Τα λέμε. Καλά Χριστούγεννα. Θα τα πούμε και την πρωτοχρονιά. Dr. K. 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)