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== Remove the claims on Hatay province as unclear if the new government still supports them == | |||
In the map it still shows Syrian claims on the Hatay province of Türkiye. It's unclear if the transitional government still claims Hatay, so until they make a formal statement best to remove. ] (]) 07:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:That seems to get things the wrong way around, a change in policy should be sourced. ] (]) 07:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:@] Until transitional govt formally opposes it maintain. ]] 09:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I do not think there is enough evidence yet to claim that the new government is not claiming Hatay however a government website is using a logo without the Hatay province of Türkiye. | |||
::http://www.moi.gov.sy/images/logo.png | |||
::This could be interpreted as an intention to drop the claims in the upcoming constitution. ] (]) 08:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:The new Syrian government has not reiterated any territorial claim over Hatay. Until they do so (if ever), Misplaced Pages should reflect current realities rather than outdated historical positions. There is no recent declaration or policy statement from Syria’s leadership supporting the Hatay claim, making it inaccurate to present it as an active territorial dispute. Therefore, I propose removing this claim unless there is verifiable, up-to-date evidence to support its inclusion. Plus, there is a paragraph regarding the “international disputes”. Mentioning it there should be sufficient. We should also change the map according to that new reality. ] (]) 17:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::They do not have to mention their claims on Hatay for us to include them. Every new state inherits everything from its predecessor state(s) and unless they renounce their claims on that province then it should be included ''']]''' 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::The article must reflect what we know based on verifiable information, not assumptions. Assuming the new government automatically inherits all claims from the previous regime without solid evidence feels more like speculation than fact. If there’s no recent statement or policy confirming the claim, it seems misleading to present it as an active dispute on par with the Golan occupation. States may technically inherit claims, but in practice the policies and priorities change. Especially after a major shift in leadership like this. Unless there’s up-to-date evidence to support it, keeping the claim feels biased and doesn’t align with Misplaced Pages’s goal of neutrality. As I said, the paragraph regarding the internaional disputes mention it. It gives an insight for that claim and there is no need to keep it on the top page. ] (]) 19:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== White flag == | |||
At the most recent meetings of the transitional government and media appearances by its leaders, only the Independence Flag appears to be used. While there is evidence of use of the white flag before the fall of Assad and at ther first meeting of the transitional government, is there any further evidence that is is being used after that first meeting? - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1167816194902573&set=pb.100050226110792.-2207520000 (16 December) - https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=984180353739970&set=pcb.984180407073298 (18 Decmber) - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=984504190374253&set=pcb.984504370374235 (19 December) - ] (]) 10:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Are we jumping to conclusions based the use of this flag at one meeting? If so, should we hide it from the infobox until its status and use becomes more clear? ] (]) 20:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::I’ve put this change into effect as there were no objections ] (]) 11:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:it was , and earlier it was used in ; it probably may be removed if they dont use it anymore tho ] (]) 13:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I think we can remove the white flag, but it can remain on ] article as "temporarily used". ] (]) 13:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
Another meeting today (22 Dec) with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1870815164427042883 ] (]) 13:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Invalid Source on Dayan Admitting to Israel Provoking Clashes == | |||
Meeting with Jordanian diplomats today with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871141176163889411 ] (]) 10:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
I looked up the source currently designed number 28, that being for . It uses a source allegedly from the New York Times. I looked up the article title in the New York Times search, which allows for full text searches back to the 1800's. I was unable to locate the article using the title. I am inclined to remove the quote, but before I provoke an edit war I wanted to get feedback. ] (]) 12:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
A second meeting today, with a delegation from Qatar , with only the independence flag again - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871151757100823000 ] (]) 11:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:''"I know about it. I saw them, and I spoke to them. They didn't even try to hide their greed for that land." "Never mind that. After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.''"'' http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/11/world/general-s-words-shed-a-new-light-on-the-golan.html --] (]) 13:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
Looks like another user has removed it ] (]) 15:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
The text in the article is presented as being from one person - Moshe Dayan. It is therefor presented in perfect proportion to the prominence of that viewpoint. Pantherskins removal of it claiming "UNDUE", is therefor incorrect as that WP policy has no connection to this text. Also since its from a defense minister its hardly a "fringe claim" --] (]) 16:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
: As the same article makes it clear this is what Moshe Dayan in an interview claimed, years after the war. It is not what historian have accepted, and in fact the article says that "Historians took a cautios approach". As such it is a fringe claim with no place in an overview article on Syria. Even worse the presentation - picking one of Moshe Dayans claims and not mentionig that historians are very sceptical of the factual accuracy - is partisan and disingenioung, suggesting that WP:NPOV was not on the mind of the original author. ] (]) 10:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
::That is nonsense. This quote is in plenty of sources. The source says "Historians have already begun to debate whether General Dayan was giving an accurate", not that they do not accept it or reject it or that it is a fringe claim. And a number of other sources have this same quote. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 15:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
::: So even you admit that there is zero consensus by historians and that these claims are highly dubious. ] (]) 07:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::I dont believe I said that, and I dont believe that matters. This is a significant POV that must be included per NPOV. Try reading that policy. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 13:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
::::: Hardly significant POV given the dubious and fringe nature of this statement. Has no place in this overview article which should cover only the most basic facts, and not some random quotes of dubious nature. ] (]) 13:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::Im sorry, but your opinion on what is or is not fringe does not really matter. Provide sources that dispute this and then we can talk, until that time you are simply repeatedly removing well sourced content. That is unacceptable. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 15:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
Pantherskin, whether you like it or not, its a significant pov that has been "authenticated by historians and by General Dayan's daughter Yael Dayan, a member of Parliament" as the source says. And it is presented as from Dayan. And its not "dubious and fringe nature of this statement", that's your own personal pov about this. And your personal view that it "has no place in this overview article" has no consensus. --] (]) 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
: The discussion obviously goes nowhere, so if you feel that it sould be included start an RFC and get input of uninvolved editors. For the meantime I have removed the content in question as it violates NPOV, which is a non-negotiable policy. ] (]) 07:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: And the only thing that has been authenticated is that Dayan has made this statement. And as the article makes it clear historians doubt that this statement by Dayan is a representations of the facts. ] (]) 07:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Except the material does not violate NPOV. In fact the removal of a significant POV is what violated NPOV. If there is a POV that you feel is not adequetly represented you should add that, with reliable sources of course. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 07:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
::: Nope, it does because it ignores the super-majority view (using your language) that the border flare-ups where started by Syria OR by both Syria and Israel. Instead only the fringe view that Israel is the culprit is presented. ] (]) 07:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Your claim of what the "super-majority view" is or that it "violates NPOV" is inaccurate and not based on reality and what the sources say. What a defense minister talks about is not a "fringe view". He is a defense minster, that alone is significant, but what Dayan talks about is also mentioned in: Robert G. Rabil (2003). Embattled neighbors: Syria, Israel, and Lebanon. Lynne Rienner Publishers. pp. 15-16, and is also mentioned by a former UN observer in the documentary ''"The Six-Day War Deceptions"''. You are continuing to remove sourced information from reliable sources while not bringing any source yourself. You have no support for you claim, you have nothing to back up your claims and you are continuing to edit war against the sources --] (]) 11:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::: I brought an academic source that discusses Dayan's statement at length. If you have sources of good quality that express other opinions you are welcome to bring them too. Meanwhile, you have not provided adequate rationale for censoring this very famous interview. Btw, calling Moshe Dayan "fringe" is really silly. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:seems like it's still used | |||
:@SD: this quote is deemed 'signifiant' by you since it makes a point in your stand that ''the poor Syrians were treacherously forced to go to war by these perfid settlers'' or what ever you want to stress -again victimization in the Arab narrative?- but anyway Dayan was a general not a self declared or a well recognized mind reader (maybe you have RS?), he only projected his own thinking onto the kibbutzim which know what they did and why and '''they rejected his claim''', and it is as good as what anybody else can say (=not good) that's irrelevant to what really happened, your personnal likings cannot be given in wp as historical facts, '''bring in some historians which will confirm that Dayan was indeed a competent mind reader''' -and if they say he was a good one that would be even more valuable-, pending that '''his opinion although attested is just a lone individual's opinion''' then it is nothing more than a FRINGE opinion and I support it shouldn't be included in any wp article and be given UNDUE WEIGHT, ] (]) 08:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:https://youtube/SFQ2MvHQrsQ?si=6B2kZYZxQjHTuEbA ] (]) 13:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
The Independence flag is the only flag used at official diplomatic events - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872984181745303751 - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872950672683147498 - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872266335725740237 - | |||
:: In the context of an overview article on Syria (not on Moshe Dayan, the Golan Height or Syrian-Israeli relations) the claims by Moshe Dayan (which are not famous by any account as most history books simply ignore this "famous" interview) are fringe and have no place in the article. Furthermore, most history books make it clear that at best both sides initiated border clashes, and not just Israel as this article tries to imply. As NPOV is non-negotiable policy I removed the section, again. If you want to advance the claim that Israel was the main culprit here, initiate an RFC and reach consensus for rewriting history on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 06:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
The Independence flag is the only flag depicted by international sports governing bodies which have updated the flag they use to represent Syria - https://olympics.com/ioc/syrian-arab-republic - https://www.ihf.info/member-federations/syrian-arab-republic/5873 - | |||
:::Your opinion on what NPOV is does not give you the right to continually remove sourced information. If you feel this is a NPOV violation I suggest you try the ]. You have now reverted three different users on multiple pages attempting to remove this information. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 06:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
The current consensus, where the Independence Flag is shown in the infobox and a "tawhid" flag shown in the body of the article accurately describes the situation on the ground. ] (]) 14:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::One of those users is an admin, and I have never been blocked or topic-banned for "partisan editing". Edit-warring does not require breaking the 3RR as you may find out shortly. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 07:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)</font></small> | |||
More meetings and diplomatic engagements over the past few days. Only the Independence Flag is being used - https://x.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1874786498936967223 - https://mfa.gov.ua/news/andrij-sibiga-ta-ahmad-ash-sharaa-obgovorili-v-damasku-shlyahi-vidnovlennya-dvostoronnih-vidnosin-mizh-ukrayinoyu-ta-siriyeyu - https://sanasyria.org/en/?p=343351 - https://sanasyria.org/en/?p=343295 - ] (]) 13:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Discussion here shows clearly no consensus to remove the Dayan text. Israels shelling and <s>the text about the UN office is also sourced from a reliable source</s> and was removed without bringing any new sources. Pantherskin is continuing to remove information he doesn't like. I gave him a reply above, and instead of answering me he started a section below with the same pov pushing he posted above, once again without bringing any sources. It is now clear Pantherskin wants to forcibly remove sourced information from the article he personally doesn't like. --] (]) 08:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
:That's too much documentation for a flag that is no longer on the infobox ''']]''' 14:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Include ] as de facto leader of Syria == | |||
:I can't beleive that the whole quote above was ever included here. I am not against including cherry picked quotes per se, but am of the opinion that such quotes be mentioned on pages solely referring to the quote itelf, in this case, the '67 war (as that is what he said the quote in reference to) and possibly Dayan's own page. There is something worrying about reproducing this quote in, how many pages is it, 5? It's quite frankl ridiculous and speaks volumes about those pushing for its inclusion. It is not within the style of the section, as you will see in the whole history section there are no quotes, for doing so breaks the flow. The one from 2008 will in time also be merged into the text. The issue is not so much about whether this view represents a wider held view on part of the Israelis. Including infomation and context about the war here needs to be sourced from third party sources and as it includes controversial points, the text needs to provide both views of what promted the war. There is no way we an leave a one sided quote in the articel without a balancing view. So I am removing it pending an acceptable version to be posted here for approval. There are plenty of sources saying that Syria accused Israel of provocation, so lets use them. ] (]) 23:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::The entire quote is not in this article, only a small summary, the text has been discussed, and there is no consensus to remove it. --] (]) 23:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::No consensus is needed. As it is, that quote violates policy by giving a one-sided view of a controversial subject. ] (]) 23:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Its not a quote, but a summary. Of course consensus is needed, people object to the summary's removal on good arguments. You want to ad the view of the Syrian defense minister to present the other side? --] (]) 23:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Sd, did you actually read my penultimate comment? ] (]) 00:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::I have read all your comments here. Have you read mine and the people who object to the summary's removal? --] (]) 00:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
Not thorougly, can u summerise them here? ] (]) 00:10, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Several people object to its removal because there is no consensus to remove it. Its notable text from a notable person, no good reason has been given for its removal. --] (]) 00:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::So you did ''not'' read my comment then. Oh, its no use....Lets add every single thing ever said by a notable person about Syria. SD, you're first. ] (]) 00:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::As I said, I did read it.--] (]) 01:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
* : {{tq|Syria's de facto new leader Ahmed al-Sharaa}} | |||
Chesdovi, why did you ad the "needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications." and "may not represent a worldwide view of the subject." tags? NYT is a reliable third-party publication, and what exactly in the section do not represent a worldwide view of the subject? --] (]) 01:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
* : {{tq|Ahmad Al Shara, centre, Syria's de facto leader}} | |||
* : {{tq|Syria’s de facto new leader Ahmed al-Sharaa}} | |||
* : {{tq|Syria’s new leader, Ahmed al-Sharaa}} | |||
This is the ones I found quickly. He's the one meeting foreign envoys as well. | |||
] (]) 13:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
I don't think there is enough evidence to list him as "acting president". However, he could be listed as "de facto Leader", "Leader", "acting head of state", "de facto head of state" etc. I think further discussion or a poll to establish a consensus is in order. ] (]) 13:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
: The quote that is redundant to what is already in the text, see also the previous discussion at the NPOV noticeboard and the comment by the only uninvolved editor who said that this level of detail is not called for in a general overview article. In any case, the substance of the quote - according to how it is seeen by mainstream historians is that the status of the DMZ was seen differently by Syria and Israel, and that is already discussed in the article. With at least three editors opposing the inclusion of the quote it does not appear that there is a consensus for its inclusion anyway. ] (]) 21:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::There is nothing in the text from an Israeli military main that says that Israel provoked Syria, so its not redundant. There has not been any discussion at the NPOV noticeboard showing that a summary of what Dayan said doesn't belong here. There is no mainstream sources that say that anything Dayan said is false, we have already discussed this before. There are at least three editors opposing the removal of the summary, yet you still removed it.--] (]) 21:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
::: You, yourself participated in this discussion at the NPOV noticeboard. | |||
::: The source that establishes the quote also says "Historians took a cautious approach, noting that the conversations had not been a formal interview."; "Bruce Maddy-Weitzman, a senior researcher at the Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies in Tel Aviv, said he was troubled that the published conversations could overshadow other factors in the decision to strike Syria.", "He didn't intend to give a full, rounded interview, said Shabtai Teveth, a biographer of Dayan. Here he singles out the kibbutzim, which is not a very balanced picture". See also this interview with the historian Michael Oren, . What means that this quote at best only gives a partial picture, and at worst is misleading. There is nothing inn | |||
::: Quote from the text, "Israel was accussed by Syria of cultivating lands in the Demilitarized Zone, using armored tractors backed by Israel forces. Syria claimed that the situation was the result of an Israeli aim to increase tension so as to justify large-scale aggression, and to expand its occupation of the Demilitarized Zone by liquidating the rights of Arab cultivators" - this is exactly the substance of the quote - there were different interpretations of the terms for the DMZ, and Israeli cultivation of the land of the DMZ was seen as a provocation by the Syrians. That is what we know as a fact. Whether the Israelis provoked the Syrians on purpose we do not know, as is clear from academic sources. | |||
::: There are at last two, possibly three different editors opposing the inclusion of the quote. What means that there is clearly no consensus. ] (]) 21:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Syria has no constitution right now. Who says we need a president to add him to the infobox? RS describe him as de facto leader. ] (]) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== What sparked the six-day war? == | |||
::I agree. We could add him to the infobox as “de facto leader” ] (]) 16:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::sounds good ''']]''' 07:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Ok, I will put that into effect ] (]) 10:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I'd also suggest putting his title in the infobox as ''] of ]'', rather than the more vague "leader", since that is the position that makes him the most powerful man in Syria ''de facto''. This is similar to how, for communist-led countries like ], the ] is listed as the first position in the infobox. Since, like with al-Sharaa, ''this'' is the position that gives its holder the ''de facto'' supreme power even if they may not be the head of state or government ''de jure'' - e.g. ]. ] (]) 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Except he has not been officially defined as Syria's leader at all. We need to wait for official sourcing on this. ] (]) 02:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Edit request == | |||
I am shocked to see the fantastic debate in this section and I must say that this article's claim that "Israel launched a preemptive strike on Egypt to begin the June 1967 war" | |||
gives a false impression that Israel started the six-day war. We know what happened, there has been release of information since then and there have been competent accounts | |||
by NON-Israelis and NON-Arabs. As the[REDACTED] article on the ] shows: the Soviet Union sparked war in 1967 between Israel and the Arab states by falsely | |||
informing Syria and Egypt that Israel was massing troops on the Syrian border. This happened during the cold war when the Arab countries were "proxies" of the Soviet Union and Israel could be viewed as a "proxy" of the United States (though some like myself will deny that to be the case at that time - the six-day was actually a "hinge" in the relationship between the USA and Israel). In this game of proxy war, the Soviets wanted to inflict a defeat of the United States but they underestimated the Israelis and the whole plan backfired. Sorry but claiming the Israelis started the six-day war goes against the facts and known history. | |||
There's some grammatical errors at the end of the religions paragraph in the demographics section. "and 3.84% are Syrian are Christians at 2020." ] (]) 03:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Geography section == | |||
:Fixed thanks ] (]) 14:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
There was too many pictures in the geography section, so I removed this one --] (]) 23:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
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== Syrian Arab Republic == | ||
Are we still calling it that? The new government will most definitely not be using that name. Why don't we put the name as "Syria" and wait and see? ] (]) 03:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
First of all, Aram is equivalent to Syria; Syria is what the Greeks called Aram | |||
The Syrians are the Arameans themselves. | |||
It was the Arameans who were called Syrians. | |||
:Because we have primary evidence the new government continues to use that name. ] (]) 03:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
Poseidonios from Apamea (ca. 135 BC - 51 BC), was a Greek Stoic philosopher, politician, astronomer, geographer, historian, and teacher. | |||
"'''The people we Greek call Syriacs, they call themselves Arameans'''". | |||
::The newly formed transitional government are still using “Syrian Arab Republic” as the official long form name of the state on legal documents such as this one issued by the prime minister’s office- https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871896791580573972 ] (]) 12:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
(See J.G. Kidd, Posidonius (Cambridge Classical Texts and Commentaries, 1988), vol. 2, pt. 2, pp . 955-956) | |||
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 == | |||
Strabo (born 63 BC or 64 BC, died ca. 24 AD), a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher is mostly famous for his | |||
{{edit extended-protected|Syria|answered=yes}} | |||
Free Republic of Syria ] (]) 18:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 18:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== ba'athist SAF still linked in military section == | |||
"Poseidonius conjectures that the names of these nations also are akin; for, says he, '''the people whom we call Syriacs are by the Syriacs themselves called Arameans'''." | |||
there is a new SAF article that is meant for the new transitional government syria | |||
(The Geography of Strabo, translated by Horace Leonard Jones and published in Vol. I of the Loeb Classical Library edition, 1917, Book I, Chapt. 2, 34) | |||
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Syrian_Armed_Forces ] (]) 19:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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== Dispute on "Suriyā" and "Suriyah": Should we use both or just Suriyah? == | |||
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Both Suriyā and Suriyah are used in official names, including the arabs. Honestly, the arabs use "Suriyā" rather than "Suriyah". Rather than solving editing disputes, like I am doing right here, they have reverted my edit and have claimed that that name is nonexistent and surprisingly did not remove the second variant of "Syria". "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة" is the country's official name in arabic with "Suriyah", and "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُورِيَا" is the official name of the country, but with "Suriyā". If you check the arabic version of the syrian article it def and clearly has usage of "Suriyā". If you want evidence that Suriyā is used, click . {{pb}} So should both be used or just Suriyah be used? Let's reach a consensus. ](] • ]) 00:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
http://www.aramaic-dem.org/English/History/Evidences_of_our_Aramean_origin/Evidences_of_our_Aramean_origin.htm | |||
http://www.goodnewsmedia.com/syria.htm | |||
http://kukis.org/Doctrines/Aram.htm | |||
http://www.historyofthedaughters.com/6.pdf | |||
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:While i know they are two ways to write the word "Syria" in Arabic, there is only '''one''' official way to write the country's official name, the Syrian Arab Republic, and that's the one with "Suriyyah". Normally, Misplaced Pages writes the official name exactly how a country's government does. The Syrian govt only uses "Suriyyah" when writing the country's official name, so the variant with "Suriyā" is incorrect. ] (]) 00:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Actually all mentions of Syriac people in this article are consistent with what you've written. And I think the best place for your discussion would the article of ]. -- ] ★ ] 15:35, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::@] had the same problem as you. They claimed the same thing, no usage of "Suriyā". Besides if it '''were''' to be wrong how come it wasnt reverted till now? ](] • ]) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Because no one dared to check if it was correct. Also, there is no need for consensus, since the rule is to write the official name of a country the way its government does. I will also re-state that while they are two correct ways to write "Syria" in Arabic, there's only one correct way to write its official name in that language. ] (]) 01:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::There is a need of consensus, as this is pretty controversial. Also the government has indeed used Suriyā, but they rarely use it. ](] • ]) 01:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::There is no controversy here. What i did was to correct the writing of the official name to the one that the government uses, that being "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة". I left everything else intact, including the two correct ways of writing "Syria" in Arabic. Per ], the burden to demonstrate otherwise is on '''you''' due to your restoration of the incorrect variant. It is not on the community to decide or prove it. ] (]) 02:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::You are kinda correct and incorrect here, as I didnt say that you removed "Suriya", and also I am sorry for not providing a source, Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that you're quite correct here.... (Im not correct either on the suriya issue) | |||
::::::If you go to the syrian govt website, (click the link that says ). {{pb}} | |||
::::::you'll see that the '''Official''' english name for syria is the "Syrian Arabic Rebublic". But in[REDACTED] we use "Syrian Arab Republic", which is incorrect but we only use it because the syrian govt misspelled it. This shows evidence that we don't always use 100% official names. | |||
::::::And yes, there is controversy here. Pretty much every edit here is controversial. Edits to this article are contentious/controversial because: | |||
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::::::*Is in the Middle East, which is subject to being controversial | |||
::::::*Has 1RR in effect, which is why i haven't reverted my edit yet. | |||
::::::I did not expect a reply because you did not respond for over an hour, and since you technically started this, please ]. ], and let this debate die a natural death. Because of this, I will no longer reply to this topic. Thank you. ](] • ]) 03:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Since i also think that this a distraction from other things, I will no longer reply to this either. ] (]) 03:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::anyway lets let the community decide. ](] • ]) 00:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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== Hama bloodbath was legal? == | |||
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I was looking for quotes about the Hama massacre, but found out that no international outcry was heard after the Syrian massacres. The United Nations did not condemn Syria's actions, no investigations were called for, and no Arab leaders came forward to condemn Assad's actions. <s>Doh!</s> ] (]) 00:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
I am requesting for the term "]"(in Italics, as depicted) to be inserted below the title of the ] in its respective Infobox because the ] has been suspended since 12 December 2024<ref>{{cite web |title=Syria’s new govt says to suspend constitution, parliament for three months |url=https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/12/12/syria-s-new-govt-says-to-suspend-constitution-parliament-for-three-months- |website=Al Arabiya English |publisher=Al Arabiya |access-date=12 January 2025 |language=en |date=12 December 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> and it is currently unknown if the current anthem will be retained in a new constitution (]) or if a new one will be used instead. ] (]) 12:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:The Hama page notes western leaders reacted, but there are no citations? ] (]) 14:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> that's ] (the source that you cited doesn't say anything about the anthem). ] (]) 12:37, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::I intentionally only used the citation of the news article mentioning the suspension of the ] and the ] for ] purposes about the two aforementioned subjects. Indeed, the article didn't mention the national anthem. I apologise if that wasn't clear. I feel my point still stands, though. ] (]) 15:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::That doesn't change the fact that what you're proposing is ]. ] (]) 19:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Remove the claims on Hatay province as unclear if the new government still supports them
In the map it still shows Syrian claims on the Hatay province of Türkiye. It's unclear if the transitional government still claims Hatay, so until they make a formal statement best to remove. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- That seems to get things the wrong way around, a change in policy should be sourced. CMD (talk) 07:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @PrecariousWorlds Until transitional govt formally opposes it maintain. Mithilanchalputra(Talk) 09:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think there is enough evidence yet to claim that the new government is not claiming Hatay however a government website is using a logo without the Hatay province of Türkiye.
- http://www.moi.gov.sy/images/logo.png
- This could be interpreted as an intention to drop the claims in the upcoming constitution. ElementLover (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- The new Syrian government has not reiterated any territorial claim over Hatay. Until they do so (if ever), Misplaced Pages should reflect current realities rather than outdated historical positions. There is no recent declaration or policy statement from Syria’s leadership supporting the Hatay claim, making it inaccurate to present it as an active territorial dispute. Therefore, I propose removing this claim unless there is verifiable, up-to-date evidence to support its inclusion. Plus, there is a paragraph regarding the “international disputes”. Mentioning it there should be sufficient. We should also change the map according to that new reality. E3.akpinar (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- They do not have to mention their claims on Hatay for us to include them. Every new state inherits everything from its predecessor state(s) and unless they renounce their claims on that province then it should be included Abo Yemen✉ 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article must reflect what we know based on verifiable information, not assumptions. Assuming the new government automatically inherits all claims from the previous regime without solid evidence feels more like speculation than fact. If there’s no recent statement or policy confirming the claim, it seems misleading to present it as an active dispute on par with the Golan occupation. States may technically inherit claims, but in practice the policies and priorities change. Especially after a major shift in leadership like this. Unless there’s up-to-date evidence to support it, keeping the claim feels biased and doesn’t align with Misplaced Pages’s goal of neutrality. As I said, the paragraph regarding the internaional disputes mention it. It gives an insight for that claim and there is no need to keep it on the top page. E3.akpinar (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- They do not have to mention their claims on Hatay for us to include them. Every new state inherits everything from its predecessor state(s) and unless they renounce their claims on that province then it should be included Abo Yemen✉ 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
White flag
At the most recent meetings of the transitional government and media appearances by its leaders, only the Independence Flag appears to be used. While there is evidence of use of the white flag before the fall of Assad and at ther first meeting of the transitional government, is there any further evidence that is is being used after that first meeting? - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1167816194902573&set=pb.100050226110792.-2207520000 (16 December) - https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=984180353739970&set=pcb.984180407073298 (18 Decmber) - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=984504190374253&set=pcb.984504370374235 (19 December) - Dn9ahx (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are we jumping to conclusions based the use of this flag at one meeting? If so, should we hide it from the infobox until its status and use becomes more clear? Dn9ahx (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I’ve put this change into effect as there were no objections Dn9ahx (talk) 11:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are we jumping to conclusions based the use of this flag at one meeting? If so, should we hide it from the infobox until its status and use becomes more clear? Dn9ahx (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- it was used later during bashir's speech on tv after the meeting, and earlier it was used in julani's cnn interview; it probably may be removed if they dont use it anymore tho Opostylov (talk) 13:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think we can remove the white flag, but it can remain on Flag of Syria article as "temporarily used". Beshogur (talk) 13:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Another meeting today (22 Dec) with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1870815164427042883 Dn9ahx (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Meeting with Jordanian diplomats today with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871141176163889411 Dn9ahx (talk) 10:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
A second meeting today, with a delegation from Qatar , with only the independence flag again - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871151757100823000 Dn9ahx (talk) 11:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Looks like another user has removed it Dn9ahx (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- seems like it's still used
- https://youtube/SFQ2MvHQrsQ?si=6B2kZYZxQjHTuEbA Berniesandals (talk) 13:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
The Independence flag is the only flag used at official diplomatic events - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872984181745303751 - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872950672683147498 - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1872266335725740237 - The Independence flag is the only flag depicted by international sports governing bodies which have updated the flag they use to represent Syria - https://olympics.com/ioc/syrian-arab-republic - https://www.ihf.info/member-federations/syrian-arab-republic/5873 - The current consensus, where the Independence Flag is shown in the infobox and a "tawhid" flag shown in the body of the article accurately describes the situation on the ground. Dn9ahx (talk) 14:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
More meetings and diplomatic engagements over the past few days. Only the Independence Flag is being used - https://x.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1874786498936967223 - https://mfa.gov.ua/news/andrij-sibiga-ta-ahmad-ash-sharaa-obgovorili-v-damasku-shlyahi-vidnovlennya-dvostoronnih-vidnosin-mizh-ukrayinoyu-ta-siriyeyu - https://sanasyria.org/en/?p=343351 - https://sanasyria.org/en/?p=343295 - Dn9ahx (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's too much documentation for a flag that is no longer on the infobox Abo Yemen✉ 14:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Include Ahmed al-Sharaa as de facto leader of Syria
- France 24:
Syria's de facto new leader Ahmed al-Sharaa
- MSN:
Ahmad Al Shara, centre, Syria's de facto leader
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Syria’s de facto new leader Ahmed al-Sharaa
- AJ:
Syria’s new leader, Ahmed al-Sharaa
This is the ones I found quickly. He's the one meeting foreign envoys as well. Beshogur (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't think there is enough evidence to list him as "acting president". However, he could be listed as "de facto Leader", "Leader", "acting head of state", "de facto head of state" etc. I think further discussion or a poll to establish a consensus is in order. Dn9ahx (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Syria has no constitution right now. Who says we need a president to add him to the infobox? RS describe him as de facto leader. Beshogur (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. We could add him to the infobox as “de facto leader” Dn9ahx (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- sounds good Abo Yemen✉ 07:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I will put that into effect Dn9ahx (talk) 10:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- sounds good Abo Yemen✉ 07:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also suggest putting his title in the infobox as Emir of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham, rather than the more vague "leader", since that is the position that makes him the most powerful man in Syria de facto. This is similar to how, for communist-led countries like Vietnam, the General Secretary is listed as the first position in the infobox. Since, like with al-Sharaa, this is the position that gives its holder the de facto supreme power even if they may not be the head of state or government de jure - e.g. Tô Lâm. 79.104.50.145 (talk) 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except he has not been officially defined as Syria's leader at all. We need to wait for official sourcing on this. Ecpiandy (talk) 02:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. We could add him to the infobox as “de facto leader” Dn9ahx (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Edit request
There's some grammatical errors at the end of the religions paragraph in the demographics section. "and 3.84% are Syrian are Christians at 2020." Zzabka (talk) 03:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Syrian Arab Republic
Are we still calling it that? The new government will most definitely not be using that name. Why don't we put the name as "Syria" and wait and see? Ecpiandy (talk) 03:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Because we have primary evidence the new government continues to use that name. CMD (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The newly formed transitional government are still using “Syrian Arab Republic” as the official long form name of the state on legal documents such as this one issued by the prime minister’s office- https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871896791580573972 Dn9ahx (talk) 12:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Free Republic of Syria 94.191.136.235 (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
ba'athist SAF still linked in military section
there is a new SAF article that is meant for the new transitional government syria link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Syrian_Armed_Forces LeonVolturno (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
"Amorrhitis" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Heritage Foundation
We should stop using the Heritage Foundation as a source in this article. They have announced plans to use their web technology to identify and deanonymize Misplaced Pages users. We currently link to them twice in this article, putting editors at direct risk of being doxxed. 166.205.97.61 (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is an ongoing discussion about it. M.Bitton (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Change anthem please.
It is still showing the old anthem. Please change it as soon as possible.
Best Regards 2A02:B98:4731:2AD0:DDEC:4948:5FEB:1098 (talk) 08:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Abo Yemen✉ 09:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Dispute on "Suriyā" and "Suriyah": Should we use both or just Suriyah?
Pinging @Quetstar because they claim that there is no usage of "Suriyā".
Both Suriyā and Suriyah are used in official names, including the arabs. Honestly, the arabs use "Suriyā" rather than "Suriyah". Rather than solving editing disputes, like I am doing right here, they have reverted my edit and have claimed that that name is nonexistent and surprisingly did not remove the second variant of "Syria". "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة" is the country's official name in arabic with "Suriyah", and "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُورِيَا" is the official name of the country, but with "Suriyā". If you check the arabic version of the syrian article it def and clearly has usage of "Suriyā". If you want evidence that Suriyā is used, click .
So should both be used or just Suriyah be used? Let's reach a consensus. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- While i know they are two ways to write the word "Syria" in Arabic, there is only one official way to write the country's official name, the Syrian Arab Republic, and that's the one with "Suriyyah". Normally, Misplaced Pages writes the official name exactly how a country's government does. The Syrian govt only uses "Suriyyah" when writing the country's official name, so the variant with "Suriyā" is incorrect. Quetstar (talk) 00:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Pktlaurence had the same problem as you. They claimed the same thing, no usage of "Suriyā". Besides if it were to be wrong how come it wasnt reverted till now? 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because no one dared to check if it was correct. Also, there is no need for consensus, since the rule is to write the official name of a country the way its government does. I will also re-state that while they are two correct ways to write "Syria" in Arabic, there's only one correct way to write its official name in that language. Quetstar (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is a need of consensus, as this is pretty controversial. Also the government has indeed used Suriyā, but they rarely use it. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 01:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no controversy here. What i did was to correct the writing of the official name to the one that the government uses, that being "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة". I left everything else intact, including the two correct ways of writing "Syria" in Arabic. Per WP:BURDEN, the burden to demonstrate otherwise is on you due to your restoration of the incorrect variant. It is not on the community to decide or prove it. Quetstar (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- You are kinda correct and incorrect here, as I didnt say that you removed "Suriya", and also I am sorry for not providing a source, Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that you're quite correct here.... (Im not correct either on the suriya issue)
- If you go to the syrian govt website, (click the link that says ).
- you'll see that the Official english name for syria is the "Syrian Arabic Rebublic". But in[REDACTED] we use "Syrian Arab Republic", which is incorrect but we only use it because the syrian govt misspelled it. This shows evidence that we don't always use 100% official names.
- And yes, there is controversy here. Pretty much every edit here is controversial. Edits to this article are contentious/controversial because:
- It's Extended-protected
- Has Sanctions enforcement
- Is partially related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, which has been designated contentious by the wikipedians
- Is in the Middle East, which is subject to being controversial
- Has 1RR in effect, which is why i haven't reverted my edit yet.
- I did not expect a reply because you did not respond for over an hour, and since you technically started this, please Drop the stick. It's not the end of the world, and let this debate die a natural death. Because of this, I will no longer reply to this topic. Thank you. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 03:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Since i also think that this a distraction from other things, I will no longer reply to this either. Quetstar (talk) 03:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no controversy here. What i did was to correct the writing of the official name to the one that the government uses, that being "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة". I left everything else intact, including the two correct ways of writing "Syria" in Arabic. Per WP:BURDEN, the burden to demonstrate otherwise is on you due to your restoration of the incorrect variant. It is not on the community to decide or prove it. Quetstar (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is a need of consensus, as this is pretty controversial. Also the government has indeed used Suriyā, but they rarely use it. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 01:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because no one dared to check if it was correct. Also, there is no need for consensus, since the rule is to write the official name of a country the way its government does. I will also re-state that while they are two correct ways to write "Syria" in Arabic, there's only one correct way to write its official name in that language. Quetstar (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- anyway lets let the community decide. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Pktlaurence had the same problem as you. They claimed the same thing, no usage of "Suriyā". Besides if it were to be wrong how come it wasnt reverted till now? 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 January 2025
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I am requesting for the term "de facto"(in Italics, as depicted) to be inserted below the title of the national anthem("Guardians of the Homeland") in its respective Infobox because the Constitution of Syria has been suspended since 12 December 2024 and it is currently unknown if the current anthem will be retained in a new constitution (de jure) or if a new one will be used instead. ~Berilo Linea~ (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not done: that's WP:OR (the source that you cited doesn't say anything about the anthem). M.Bitton (talk) 12:37, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- I intentionally only used the citation of the news article mentioning the suspension of the Constitution and the People's Assembly for verifiability purposes about the two aforementioned subjects. Indeed, the article didn't mention the national anthem. I apologise if that wasn't clear. I feel my point still stands, though. ~Berilo Linea~ (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- That doesn't change the fact that what you're proposing is original research. M.Bitton (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- I intentionally only used the citation of the news article mentioning the suspension of the Constitution and the People's Assembly for verifiability purposes about the two aforementioned subjects. Indeed, the article didn't mention the national anthem. I apologise if that wasn't clear. I feel my point still stands, though. ~Berilo Linea~ (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Syria's new govt says to suspend constitution, parliament for three months". Al Arabiya English. Al Arabiya. 12 December 2024. Retrieved 12 January 2025.
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