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	::Good to see you back; I was afraid we'd lost you for good. Looking forward to working with you ro improve many articles. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">]</span> 15:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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	You removed a source here ]. could you explain your edit summary? it's not my unsourced opinion. -] (]) 12:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
	: here's the source, here's http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/res181.asp a primary source using the historical term for the approximate region of the west bank in ]. ] (]) 12:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
			Re would you consider as a reliable source? ] (]) 19:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
	: Please see my note on ]. Regarding res 181, nobody denies that "Judea" and "Samaria" are valid geographic names, but "West Bank" is a political name. Res 181 did not use "Judea and Samaria" as the name of a political division because there was no such political division at the time. Please read all the argument on this subject recorded around Misplaced Pages, you will find that everything that can be said on the subject has been said multiple times already. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
			:(page-stalker) ] is definitely RS, ] (]) 20:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
			::{{re|Selfstudier}} A serious piece of research published in an academic journal. Even if it is attributed, it should be cited as the result of a research project and not just as a claim. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks. Could I impose on you for a pic like the one at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-embassy-land/u-s-jerusalem-embassy-lies-at-the-end-of-the-world-idUSKCN1IF1RE? ] (]) 12:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
			::::{{re|Selfstudier}} I'm a bit confused by the timeline because aerial photos show construction starting around 2007. I've got a fiendishly busy week but I'll get to this eventually. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Np, take your time. I'm still researching it. ] (]) 12:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
			:::::We can also use the new map at ] where they have atm ] ] (]) 17:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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	Oopsh, thanks. I will correct it as I come across it. Regards, ] (]) 21:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)		Are we supposed to use these new awareness templates as of now? Per ]. ] (]) 15:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
	:Greetings Zero0000! I hope you don't mind me asking, but I saw what you posted at Huldra's talk page about owning the Hutteroth book. May I ask that whenever you have the time, could you provide the 1596 populations for ], ], and ] (the latter is a much newer locality that includes Deir Ghassaneh and Beit Rima) like you did for ]? It would be well appreciated. Cheers! --] (]) 22:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for the info! It was very helpful and I might ask for more info in the near future ;) --] (]) 16:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
			:{{Re|Selfstudier}} Confusing. It seems that the first alert given to an ARBPIA editor should now be <nowiki> {{subst:alert/first|a-i}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{subst:alert|a-i}}</nowiki>. It is better I think because it mentions the 30/500 restriction and 1RR instead of expecting the editor to read the ARBPIA page. If I understand footnote "n" at ], it is not necessary to give the new alert to people who previously received the old alert. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
	== Irgun attacks ==
			::That seems clear enough. And <nowiki>{{Contentious topics/page restriction editnotice|topic=a-i}}</nowiki> for the edit notice? Adding section = yes if it is just partial. I didn't see a new talk page template, just use existing? ] (]) 10:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
			:::{{Re|Selfstudier}} There is <nowiki>{{Contentious topics/talk notice|topic=a-i}}</nowiki>. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
			::::Ah, missed that. K, got it now :) ] (]) 11:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
			:::::The old templates are autoupdating, looks of it. ] (]) 16:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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	Added references, exact page numbers will have to wait (too busy), but anyone with access to the book should be able to find the relevant information easily because the entries in the book appear in a chronological order. One attack is still missing citation, it was originally, perhaps your edit summary can give a hint as to where to find an Irgun acknowledgment.--] (]) 07:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
			Great job on the image, but I saw now that the two images below it have the same inaccuracy, could you fix them? ] (]) 21:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
	== Convoy of 35 ==
	Hi Zero! Sry, no insult intended, but I reverted your repeated posting of that sentence in ]. Like I wrote several times now, it makes no sense to the uninformed reader. Would you pls rephrase it in a way that readers who haven't read the source understand what you want to say? See the discussion page of the article! Thank you.] (]) 17:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
	:Wow! MUCH better now! This is clear and informative. Thank you!] (]) 10:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
			== The "Black Death theory" belongs to User:Skylax30, it doesn't exist in the referenced text ==
	== re: 98.204.183.125 ==
			The "Black Death" is not mentioned in any part of the text, which I completely read. You can see it for yourself: https://brill.com/view/journals/jesh/65/4/article-p497_1.xml ] (]) 12:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
			: {{Re|Mercresis}} It is in footnote 19 with additional references. Quotation: "{{tq|Recent studies see a direct connection between the fast Ottoman military advance and the consequences of the Black Death from the mid-fourteenth century onwards. They emphasize that Byzantine territories, where the initial Ottoman conquests were carried out, were exhausted (both demographically and militarily) due to the plague outbreaks, which facilitated the Ottoman expansion.}}" It is almost the same as our article had. Please put it back. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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	:I have blocked you for 24h for a prima facie 3RR violation. You are well aware of the rules, so I do hope you have good reason for this. I looked over the edits carefully before deciding to block. If I were in the same position I would have stopped and started using talk pages or the dispute resolution mechanism rather than edit war. I realise the other party isn't completely blameless, but the fact that you're an admin and didn't stop early and use talk pages (today and in the past) was determinative for me. I hope after the block that you will be able to sort out the dispute properly. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
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	Hi, I´m sort of trying to clean up the depop-1948-villages. I see that you have edited the ]-article. Now, there were at least two Abu Shusha-villages; in the Districts of Ramlah and in the District of Haifa (plus there was a "Ghuwayr Abu Shusha" in District of Tiberias).
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	Presently, it looks as if some of the stuff now in the Abu Shusha (Ramleh)..should be in a -not yet written- Abu Shusha (Haifa)-article. Would you care to take a look? Thanks, ] (]) 06:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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	: The material sourced to Flapan is clearly referring to Abu Shusha (Haifa). Is there anything else you suspect? I have something on the destruction of Abu Shusha (Ramle); it was in 1965. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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	::well, the Benvenisti, 1996, quote is to "the village of Abu Shusha, midway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem"...so I assume that is the District of Ramleh-village. It actually looks as if there was some sort of massacre at both villages? ] (])
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			== Reverting edit without reason ==
	::No, it looks to me that all the text about a massacre is for the Ramle village. That includes Morris ''Revisited'', which I just checked. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
			If you revert an edit, can you give a reason?
	:::Ok, it seems as if the Abu Shusha (Haifa) was depopulated quite early, during ], while ] (Ramleh) was depopulated in ]. Also during the socalled ] there were reports of atrocities (including rape), however, apparently not at the mass-scale of ] (Ramleh).
			Eg hulks edit on jerusalem talmud
	:::So, for ], I will just remove the Flapan-ref (and keep it for the future Abu Shusha, Haifa, article), If you could add anything on the 1965-destruction, it would be great. Cheers, ] (]) 10:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::: I just removed Flapan and added 1965. Next I'll add 19th century stuff from Kark. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks for excellent work on the ] -article! Cheers, ] (]) 09:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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	== "Ultra-Orthodox" in Haredi article (courtesy note) ==
			: {{Re|Riskit 4 a biskit}} This talmud is frequently called the Palestinian Talmud in scholarly writing. (Search for "Palestinian Talmud" with quotes at scholar.google.com .) So it is reasonable for the article to say why it is called that. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 23:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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	You contributed to a ] about the term "Ultra-Orthodox" on the ] page. I removed the content in ] that claimed that "Ultra-Orthodox" is pejorative. I have explained my reasons on the ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 15:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
			I am going to copy Lebanon, South Africa and Brittany off to the talk page. Probably the Channel Islands too. All of them have the problem you mentioned about Palestine, ie possibly some wannabes, but I don't really see sourced *collaboration* yet, although I think it is there to be found . But it will be petty, so whereas when I first came to the article the weight seemed undue towards eastern Europe, very light on North Africa, it now seems to have gone somewhat too far in the other direction. And Japan, I am not even sure what to say. Too steep a learning curve, which is what I thought of Irgun.
	== Civility, please ==
			I am going to do one more pass to try to reference what is there in Europe -- I have already done several passes on all three continents -- then start from the other end, looking for highly-cited work that may not be included. Does that sound like a good plan? It's impolite of course to ask people what exactly their level of expertise and areas of knowledge are, but in this very fraught instance I'm just going to say that you seem to have some topic knowledge, probably broader and deeper than mine, and definitely much much more so in the middle east. So I humbly ask that to the extent you can, please do continue to review what we're doing and let us know if we're citing discredited authors or anything else that would be embarrassing. I have no particular agenda to prove anything in the area, except that I know more about Vichy France than the rest of it due to my educational history. But I am not a historian.
	With all due respect, please try to keep comments ]. I assume it was not your intention, but I take a comment like to be uncivil and condescending. Please take a look at the ] and, in particular, the policy to keep your comments ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
	: Sorry, but I think you are too sensitive. I don't think that "not good enough" is either uncivil or condescending. It is merely my opinion stated in simple terms. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
			I feel like I am treading on dangerous ground, but the article does desperately need improvement, and I have done big messy cleanups before. So...I will not ping you more than I have to, but I'm about to write some more questions on the talk page and should you feel so moved, your attention there would be welcome. Oh, and if you are interested, there is a question at RSN about the Blue Police, but it's had a couple of answers, so as I sometimes say, don't spend more time on this than you want to. Thanks ] (]) 01:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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	Though I see it was a few months ago, just noticed now as I'm not that active in Israeli-Palestine articles as before. Not sure if you're aware or not of some good news, but if not, in your absence one of the ] in many of our sides was finally ]. ] (]) 23:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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	:Anyway, I came here to say thanks for the link to the map and for the compliments on the work Huldra and I have been doing over at ]. Petersen says that the village wasn't mentioned much in medieval or Ottoman times either because it was too small or was uninhabited then. I added that tidbit to the article from Huldra's sources page. I'm putting it up for DYK soon (as soon as I can Huldra's opinion on the hook). Thanks again for your tips and encouragement. Happy editing. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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	::Thanks for that. I'll look it up and include it right away. ]<sup>]</sup> 15:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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	The reviews of Karsh's book are NOT from an "anonymous unsourced" source. The page is linked to on Karsh's university website. He is the head of the ME program at Kings College London, a prestigious university. If the reviews were not authentic, he obviously would be in massive trouble. Stop the edit war. Of course Karsh puts positive reviews on his page at his school.] (]) 04:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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	: A document with no stated author is "anonymous". And one that doesn't state the source of the material it contains is "unsourced". Please learn some English. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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	::The source is clearly stated in the document with the name of the reviewer, who he works for. And you're the one throwing personal insults as me. And you're threatening ME on this site] (]) 05:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::A source means a precise location of where the original of something can be found. Like a publication date for a newspaper or volume and page numbers for a journal. Sources have to be ], that's why we need to know where something comes from. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::Karsh's link clearly shows the source. If you think he's lying, why don't you email him or ask him somehow. If he were lying or making it up, he'd have been in trouble right now or sued for putting a name to something that didn't happen. Professors at top universities don't make up reviews and there is no proof Karsh did. Also, the book did come out many years ago before articles were more routine on the internet.] (]) 06:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::: What sort of source is "Shabtai Teveth, ''Sefarim''", for example? That's partial information at best. Can I ask my library to get me the full text on the basis of that? And, yes, Karsh does invent praise. I'll put an example on his Talk page shortly. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::::What are you talking about? His source is clearly "Yoram Bronowski, Ha-aretz." You're throwing accusations because you have a clear political agenda and are trying to push a POV to delete anything good said about someone who isn't pro-Palestinian, even tho you cannot prove Karsh just made the praise up! This is non-sense! All the praise is on the page he links to on his college website. You've just made up an accusation, libelous against Efraim Karsh! Shabtai Teveth is the official Ben Gurion biographer. People who you don't agree with praise pro-palestinian authors all the time. I fail to see any point you make. Remember, not everything ever written, published, etc. is on the internet.] (]) 06:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::::: "Yoram Bronowski, Ha-aretz" is not a source. It is only a rough indication of a source. Please read ] for what a citation should include. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 07:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::: Zero you full know that sourcing on Misplaced Pages has obviously different standards than in a simple paper with reviews Karsh puts up, which DOES cite the people who said it and where they did, given that Karsh, employed by a top university in the UK, can be assumed to not be making up quotes or he'd be accused, fired, or sued given that perhaps someone in that paper would see their name and say something.] (]) 08:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::::::: Karsh did distort quotes, was accused, and was not fired. But what I think of him is not relevant. We have to follow the Misplaced Pages rules about self-published sources. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::::: The Benny Morris quote was to make a point, as you can find Karsh further responded to Morris' response. And in that site thats on Karsh's[REDACTED] page, the quotes on the praise part are acceptable and completely in context, as you can read them. His site is an acceptable secondary source. Sources that use them are on[REDACTED] all the time. Why should Karsh be the exception. If the quotes were fake, he'd have been in trouble with his college he works at. I don't see you complaining[REDACTED] pages about anti-Israel people where sources are secondary sources or use them. That is why I do believe you have an agenda. I doubt you'd be doing this if the situation were reversed, say about Edward Said.] (]) 08:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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	no, you're not gonna get me banned. I don't push POV. If you actually read what morris said in the article, he refers to Plan D, which is what Ramla and Lydda were all about, which as you know, the purpose of which was to secure the route. Ok I should have quoted more carefully but this reason for the expulsions as given is well known. I am not POV pushing. You are the one who does that deleting anything you don't like, deleting sourced material and calling it "lies" like you did on the causes of exodus page and with the Palestine Studies citation even when you cannot prove it is wrong. Not everything cited in Peters is a "lie." Unless of course then others can delete things cited in pappe, who is more "discredited." You cannot prove I didn't consult the source from JPS I cited either. But then again, I could easily accuse you of citing things that you haven't read. This is a two-way street tho. And you delete things like you did with the Issa quote because you don't want to see them.
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	You're also the one who kept deleting sourced and quoted material from Efraim Karsh's page.
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	The section on the reference to "Little Eichmann's" adds value to the Eichmann article and is entirely pertinent to scholastic research of the analysis of Eichmann's life; although details of Ward Churchill's story are a digression and not pertinent. Churchill's reference has not only become a modern colloquialism, it is based on Arendt's analysis of Eichmann's life. ZERO0000's basis to remove this sub-section as "not pertinent in its entirety" is censorship which expresses his/her POV. Removing extraneous information about Churchill's story should not be considered censorship, neither should demoting the sub-section to another paragraph in the Analysis section (i.e. removing the header). In conclusion, just because an editor doesn't like Ward Churchill's reference doesn't mean everybody reading about the analysis of Eichmann's life should be deprived of this valuable cross-reference.
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	: The Ward Churchill story absolutely does not belong there. It is an article about Eichmann, not about random uses of Eichmann's name. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 09:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
	: First of all, I prefer not to use the word "absolutely". Ward Churchill's reference is not random. As I asserted before, it's based on Arendt's analysis itself. It also provides valuable scholastic cross-reference to anybody looking at what his life means to the definition of "banality of evil".
	] (]) 10:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)Tenna
	: Zero you should provide what "every random reference to Eichmann's name" means when you execute your Dranconian edits. In fact this likely the only reference to his name used in modern speeches, and was provided by a professor who was citing Arendt's analysis in the first place. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	Zero - we can agree to compromise if you insist on demoting this sub-section by either folding it into the Analysis section or adding a link in the More section.--] (]) 10:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
	: No, I don't think it belongs at all. But this is the wrong place to discuss it. State your case on ] then if you get enough support from other editors something can be inserted. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
	: Your approach is lacks any explanation, is uninterested in compromise, censuring, and untenable. Neither you nor your other editor friends own this page, nor any others on the wiki. I am going to apply the compromise I stated and re-state my case on the talk page. Have a nice day.--] (]) 16:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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	:That is incorrect, Zero. We cannot take Khalidi's defense as fact any more than we can take the initial attribution as fact. The facts are that 1) For years it was attributed to Khalidi and 2) after this was made public, the attribution was changed and explained as an error. Guess what, that is ALL the article says, just facts, no opinions, and no making one interpretation of the facts any more "true" than any other. Our job is to bring the facts, let the reader decide the interpretation, Zero. -- ] (]) 02:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::Rubbish, you can't hint that a well-known scholar is a liar without any evidence, and the evidence in this case is ''pathetic''. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::No one is hinting anything, Zero. We bring what is there, and let individuals decide. I know I don't know enough to decide one way or the other; but that does not mean that we can just summarily ignore it. HHN is not blogspot, Zero, and if it was serious enough for Khalidi to respond to, we should mention it; not make it its own section, not glorify it, but mention it, as plagiarism IS a notable claim against an academic: just look at ] :) . -- ] (]) 03:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::Oh phooey. You don't like him and you want to publicise accusations against him no matter how stupid they are. Simple as that. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::Actually, that is not true; I don't know him at all, and neither like nor dislike him, Zero. What I /do/ dislike is inappropriate hagiographic or denigratory editing. Your above statement is unfortunately indicative of editing that is not in accord with[REDACTED] policies and guidelines; besides for needing to focus on content and not editors (WP:CIVIL is just as strong a policy as WP:BLP), outside of your own opinions, you have no basis in fact to base your statements. I suggest you contact ], ], ], or ], and ask them about how I handle I/P articles. Perhaps you are guilty of ], perhaps you are just overly frustrated. Regardless, I am going to neither ask for nor expect an apology from you for your unfounded personal accusation. However, I will remind you that such edits do indicate from whence ''you'' approach these topics, and you should take a few steps back and strongly consider if your methods are appropriate for wikipedia. -- ] (]) 03:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	Thank you. I may very well be wrong, which is why we have talk pages, WT:BLP, and RfC's just to name a few methods. This has been discussed on the talk page, and is being done again there. Let us see if a new consensus emerges. -- ] (]) 04:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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	== RE:Deleting bogus articles ==
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	Thanks Zero0000. I'm not exactly sure I understand you though. Do you have the ability to delete articles? Or do you mean you'll nominate them for speedy deletion? --] (]) 04:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::(ec)Wow, do I feel ignorant. I haven't had enough contact with you and didn't see one of those wiki-globes on your user page to know if you were an admin, let alone a veteran. Anyway, I own the Khalidi and Abu-Sitta books so I have a good index to refer to also. I hope that was the only bogus village present. We should continue work on the 1948 villages very soon; if Huldra is really leaving, that means we have to take on an additional work load. Happy editing Zero0000, Cheers! --] (]) 04:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	:Technically, ]es are generally ''not'' speedies. See ] and ]. Most of the time they must go through AfD, as frustrating as that is. -- ] (]) 04:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::Damn... so do we have to restore the article and nominate it again? I need to get more involved with the admin tasks to familiarize with them. Thanks for pointing that out Avi. --] (]) 04:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::I don't think so in this case; but in general, it's good to be aware, as some hoaxes are'nt, and regardless, the last thing any admin wants is to be dragged to DRV/ANI with the accusation of "abuse of privilege". -- ] (]) 04:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	::::Of course. Thanks for your help. --] (]) 04:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::::My pleasure. -- ] (]) 05:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	:::::: Avi is right, though I'd class this particular example as vandalism. ] includes "blatant hoaxes" and "obvious misinformation" as vandalism for CSD purposes. But we need to consider any cases that come up on their merits, and proceed cautiously. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
	Yeah somebody added it to the infobox and it went undetected before. Scary really. Lucky I found it!]</span> <sup>]</sup> 13:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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	== I don't suppose I'm denied the right to comment on the etymology of Jerusalem? ==
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	I'm glad you noted that this is pathetically ill-informed.
			In , I think you want to use {{tl|u}}. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 04:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
	I have several times, in the archives, suggested an improvement to the etymology section, which is both ignorant and POV. I laid out a provisory draft before my perma-ban. It ain't much chop, since it simplifies a complex issue, but it does fulfil the minimal requirements, which the section at the moment does not, for writing to encyclopedic levels. A corresponding edit is required to fix ], which is organized on a false and misleading chronology that prioritizes later infra-hebraic etymologies over the historically earlier, more broadly semitic hypotheses related to the Egyptian evidence, and comparative cultic theonyms in Ugaritic and Akkadian.
			: Quite so, tx. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
			== Polish guards at Belzec ==
	You can find my last suggestion . I think you yourself did something similar back in 2006?
			I agree with your statement on ArbCom. Also it's worth noting what USHMM is actually saying {{tq|former Soviet prisoners of war (POWs) of various nationalities or Ukrainian and Polish civilians}}, it doesn't determine their ethnicity, only the fact that before 1939 they were citizens of Poland, so most likely west Ukrainians. Ukrainian civilians refer probably to the Ukrainian SSR citizens in its pre-1939 borders ] (]) 15:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
	Regards ] (]) 09:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
			== Another thank you: This time massacre at Kolo ==
	::I can't recall with precision when I read your suggestion. I do recall trying to find it while composing my own final suggestion, without success. I have a vague recall of coming across it after I'd made extensive notes, and thinking: 'Pointless to press on. Zero's already done it.'
	::I don't think I am allowed to actually edit, or even discuss these technical problems in the I/P area. I undertook not to edit the Jerusalem page before my perma-ban, and since this article is subject to high-wire tensions, obviously even a simple offer to set out the details (short for the Jerusalem page, lengthier for the 'Names of Jerusalem' page) can be taken as a provocation on my part, or an attempt to sneak back in.
	::The material's there, in any case. The sourcing is of high quality, and you're in good stead here. So I look forward to seeing, in a month or two, a marked improvement on that section. The best structuring is one undertaken on the strictest historical lines, in chronological sequence. (1) Egyptian, (2)Amarna letters, and the roughly contemporary Assyrian and Hebrew 7th cent. refs, followed by a second para. dealing with the assimilation to 'shalom', and the folk etymologies which then proliferated. Best ] (]) 10:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
			Thank you for your ArbCom explanation about my edit (a very long time ago). It felt odd to be named in the first place, and it's very pleasant that you straightened things out. To the point, I'd like to draw your attention to my comment on the same page:
	== re Rachel Corrie ==
			''@Horse Eye's Back: Thanks for the mention of my counter-disruptive efforts three years ago. Such work is rarely acknowledged and so I appreciate it. For the same reason that you swam away from that one issue then, I am almost totally retired from Misplaced Pages now. But let me be clear, this is definitely not simply a case of zealous 'nationalists' versus the noble souls who crusade against them. The zealous 'crusaders' are sometimes so convinced of their own virtue that they assume bad faith in content when there is no such thing, and go ahead and disrupt the topic area based on their own projections of malice. A notorious case was Icewhiz, another case was Varsovian, both AFAIR indefinitely blocked or permanently banned from the topic area. At times, IMHO SlimVirgin was one of those problematic crusaders too. Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines already got it right long ago, that it takes two to tango. Many trolls have their opposite number, with which they exchange bait. Personal psychology becomes relevant because that dynamic becomes an addiction to conflict, with the impossible objective of winning. Btw I entirely concur with you about Piotrus and hereby vouch for him too. -Chumchum7 (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2023 (UTC)''
	I have again reverted your edit; per ] we now discuss this matter until consensus is changed or reaffirmed. Reverting past the first time, and knowingly against consensus, is a violation of ] and may attract warnings and possibly sanctions. Of course I shall not be the party to do either, and this is only a notice that I suggest the matter is discussed with other editors before another revert takes place. ] (]) 14:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
	:There has been a discussion at Talk:Rachel Corrie where it noted that none of the sources now note both the bombing and the Rachel Corrie memorial - so if you wish to remove the content would you please note this in your edit summary. ] (]) 18:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
			Please keep up the good work. Many thanks, -] (]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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	The subject is indeed a living person and you use a term that is an unsubstantiated slur. As admins, with significant editing experience, its very important we strictly adhere to ], which is perhaps our most important policy. Could I recommend you review ] and refactor that comment? I think you could make the same point without resorting to potentially libelous language. Thanks (and feel free to remove this note after consideration). ]<font color="black">e</font>] 06:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
	:thought you might like to know this was started by a banned user's sockpuppet (NoCal100). See . <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 02:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</font></small>
	::Yes I just noticed, thanks. Usually I don't pay attention to things like that, I just want to edit articles. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yeah me too, but I have been calling that user a sock from his first 100 edits so I was a bit anxious to be proven right. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 02:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</font></small>
			I've been reading quite a bit lately about the police system in occupied Poland, so I have some knowledge on the subject. There were two formations in the German formations called the Gendarmerie: Gendarmerie des Reiches (essentially uniformed police serving in villages and small towns, part of the Orpo) and the Feldgendarmerie, which was essentially Military Police within the Wehrmacht. So the gendarmes may have been part of the Wehrmacht.
	== Update on Request for Citation ==
			The second issue is the participation of Poles. Poles were generally not allowed to serve in the German police or the Wehrmacht. Volksdeutsche could not do so either. Volksdeutsche could serve in the Sonderdienst (created, however, only in May 1940) or in the Hilfspolizei; only after good service did they receive Reichsdeutsche status and the right to serve in the regular police force. Ethnic Poles had this path closed. The conscription of Volksdeutsche to the Wehrmacht began on a massive scale only in 1942, before that it was sporadic.
	There is some new info from the State Department Digest of International Law on my talk page ] ] (]) 09:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
			It is very possible that those in reference ("were all born in Poland") were Polish Germans who left Poland for Germany before 1939 and returned with the army (this was quite common) or members of the Volksdeutscher Selbstschutz, an organization composed of Germans living in Poland responsible for horrific crimes. It is also possible that by "gendarme" this witness meant any uniformed German who was not a Wehrmacht soldier (and the Gendarmerie des Reiches was the formation that Poles encountered most often). (pinging @], because I comment on it on her talk page before making more reading) ] (]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
	== Just a note ==
			: {{Re|Marcelus|Chumchum7}} Thanks. I'm having trouble confirming the information at from any other source. The best I have found from that early period is mention of murder but not mention of a large scale massacre. Can either of you read Yiddish? There's a memorial volume called ''Sefer Kolo'' that might have something but the only version I can find online is or . There is also a Hebrew edition I can't find and a that doesn't include the Holocaust years. I think that the text should be retired from the article if no confirmation can be found. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
	I think certain currents of Islam have developed strong antisemitic doctrines, and think that should be documented in an article 'The rise of antisemitism in modern Islam. I note that the intensity of wiki pages dealing with this simply has no parallel in the ] articles. A lengthy list of vitriolic antisemitism spewing out from the lips of, to name but one Christian denomination, Catholic priests or eminent Catholics (or Anglo-Catholics like ], vide Christopher Ricks' book and the ensuing polemics) could be, in MEMRI fashion, run up and pasted into a wiki page, and that this is not done because making such pages would be considered politically counterproductive for one nation's interests. Thus, to name just a scant few candidates.
			::"Do końca 1939 r. Niemcy rozstrzelali ok. 300 Żydów." -> "By the end of 1939 the Germans executed about 300 Jews." (RS: ) ] (]) 13:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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			:::{{Re|Marcelus}} Good find! That page looks more reliable than the Yahadmap one, so maybe it should be used instead? Incidentally, though I have done bulk reading on Holocaust history I have no intention of editing there; my main interest Israel-Palestine gives me more than enough trouble. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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			:::And a speedy find. Which begs an important question: what does it say about perception and attitude that an editor took a single uncontroversial edit from years ago and dragged it into ArbCom, instead of (1) fixing it, (2) reverting with explanation or (3) taking it to the talk page? For me, it illustrates our common problem of presumptuous crusading as over-reaction to falsely-perceived trolling. The nationalists and crusaders take each others' bait. Hence my near-retirement. -] (]) 15:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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			::::Unfortunately, most of the evidences pointed out by @] are of this type, as I already wrote her about in a discussion a few days ago (]); unfortunately, it seems to me this is partly due to ignorance of the subject. That is, I had not heard of the massacre in Koło before, but knowing where this city lies and what happened in the region in 1939, it immediately seemed to me that it is as plausible that such an event took place. ] (]) 18:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
	*]
	*Dennis Fahey
	*] cf. Adam Gopnik's article in NYRB (2008)
	*Bishop ]
	*Ante Bakovic Croatian priest and editor of Narod, (1997)
	*]'s personal confessor, Father ] (1995), the bloke who defended ]
	*Father Gerard Burns (New Zealand)
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	*Bishop ] of Sarajevo
	*Bishop Aksamovic of Djakovic
	*Bishop Brisgys
	*Cardinal ]
	*Cardinal Frings of Cologne
	*Robert Sungenis (2002)
	*Rev. Lawrence Lucas 1987
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	You could, in a hour's reading, run up a similar list of statement of West Bank rabbis (Reuven Firestone speaks of 200) who have publicly come out, on various occasions, with violent abuse about Palestines as Amalekites, in halakhic law, people to be exterminated. (In fact I have one, but I wouldn't make a wiki article out of it) This is why such articles require intelligent non-partisan care. They are framed egregiously to press a political point, and only underscore how, in that area, ] is operating. Regards ] (]) 17:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
			Thank you for saying that, because that is what I was trying for. However, the link did not go where I expected. This is likely my fault, as I recognize the link as something I had in my sandbox. Let me get you the correct link. Assuming I understand your point. ].] (]) 08:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
	== Auschwitz bombing article ==
			: {{Re|Elinruby}} That doesn't work for me, maybe because it's a mobile link and I'm on desktop. How about ]? I'm finding the process confusing, and for some comments I can't tell if they are intended as criticism or praise. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
	I almost daren't look at it. I think it may have started with material that was moved from elsewhere, and then I got fed up with it. Feel free (at least as far as I'm concerned) to put anything useful something else and redirect it, if you think it best. <font color="green">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="pink">]</font></sup></small> 18:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
			maybe. We're talking about the RSN thread on the Blue Police and the question of whether the source supported the "death" statement, right? it's in archive 398 and the title of the thread is "The Blue Police in Poland" ] (]) 08:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
	== Exodus from Lydda and Ramla ==
			: {{Re|Elinruby}} Right, that's exactly where I go when I click on the wikilink I just gave. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
	Hi Zero0000! A couple things:
	:1. I left a reply for your specifically on the Lydda/Ramla page, but since it's a personal discussion unrelated to the topic, I'd like to continue it on user talk:
	::About the comparison to Lorch; whatever you may think of the "traditional view" (which has not been discredited), you can't deny the immense contributions that Lorch and the people who followed him in the IDF history department, made for the understanding of the conflict. Not only did they write the first histories, demarcate when the wars started and ended, etc., but they also created the IDF archive, which was later the main source of the writings for Kadish, Morris, Tal, and other later historians. Mordechai Bar-On, also head of the department in the past, wrote a book about their work for the department, it's quite fascinating how much they did. These people, and only them, had the unique chance of full access to all the documents, as well as credible eyewitness testimonies from the same years of the events. I don't understand why anyone would discredit their work, and indeed, it has not been discredited as you say.
	:2. You are fluent in Hebrew, correct? If you want to help with the article, please take the time to read the original materials manually typed by me at ]. You might find interesting stuff that I missed. In general, I believe the article to be in bad shape in terms of balance, but SlimVirgin stated that she would cut down on the quotes from Arab eyewitnesses, which would help quite a bit. I would especially like to insert something from Yitzhak Tishler's book, which is a most fascinating Israeli eyewitness account.
			ok, well at least we're talking about the same thing.
	Cheers, —] <sup>(])</sup> 11:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
			For now, I guess disregard my comment about the link, and I'll come back and tell you where I go if it's still doing it after I reboot. Or open an OTRS or something.
	:: Actually I know only the most basic Hebrew and cannot read anything serious like a newspaper or book. Unfortunately. And I haven't looked at that article for a long time on purpose: I know I would be sucked in and I just don't have time for the next few weeks. Regarding Lorch, regardless of his contributions he was a central figure in spreading the sanitised view of the conflict that only started to come unstuck when people like Benny Morris got involved. Just because Lorch had access to the archives doesn't mean that he reported (or was necessarily allowed to report) everything he saw there; as Morris demonstrated many times over. This was especially so in regard to the refugees. To quote Ian Lustig:
	:::These authors knew how prominent a role was played by various forms of 'ethnic cleansing' and they employed a variety of strategies to avoid having to share this knowledge with their readers. Some simply did not mention the fate of the Arab inhabitants of the country or the causes for their displacement. In Lorch's nine-page index, for example, there is no listing for 'refugees' or 'Arab refugees'. Indeed, the matter is not discussed anywhere in his 450-page book, The Edge of the Sword: Israel's War of Independence, 1947-1949 (G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1961)."
	:: Incidentally, Lustig also wrote this: "Just before his death in June 1997, Lorch publicly admitted that he left his post as head of the Israeli Army's History Division after the 1948 war because politically motivated censorship made good professional history writing impossible". (Both quotes from a 1997 review of Karsh's book.) ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
	:The last paragraph you posted is interesting, because as far as I know, Lorch did extensive research for the army at least until 1959. Maybe he quit then? Anyway, there is no doubt that these historians mostly omitted talk of refugees—indeed, Oren stated in his book that "this is not the book to talk about Arab refugees", it's plainly stated. However, this does not mean that they lied about key details in their books. Apparently, Morris agrees with me, as all of his military history of 1948 is cited from historians who were at some point working for the IDF in that field, including Elhanan Oren, Avi Ayalon, Avi Cohen, Mordechai Bar-On, Jeuda Wallach, etc. In fact, looking right now at the bibliography section for ''Making Israel'', I am seeing that it's littered with books that I own written by "traditional" historians. It's also very important to understand that in the years we're talking about (60s and 70s), the only way to succeed in any field in Israel was to work in the field in the IDF—indeed, all of Israel's top singers and stage performers in that period were from IDF troupes.
	:If you say you aren't able to read history books in Hebrew, maybe this is what gives you a perception that the "traditional" accounts are full of lies (my apologies to you if you didn't imply this)—in fact, all of the basic facts given there are the same as "new" historians (the difference is how they interpret them), and also in fact, the "traditional" historians never engaged in polemic or gave their personal opinions, except possibly in the foreword sections of their books. This is a key difference with "new" historians, who are 90% polemic and 10% history (except Morris, who did a significant amount of research). There is a published interview with Yoav Gelber where he basically says this in criticism of the "new" historians (again, he singles out Morris as an exception). Interestingly about Morris however, his writings vary significantly between the English and Hebrew versions—something that Karsh touched upon in his book of criticism of "new" historians. Interestingly, the extreme pro-Palestinian group ''Zochrot'' almost entirely "traditional" historiography (plus Morris), and practically no "new" history. Even they realize the vast differences in quality.
	:You also cannot confuse "traditional" historians with the traditional Israeli "mythos" of the 1948 war; I read most of the books on ], and nowhere did I find a "traditional" historian say that "we were few against many", or something to that effect (although this is a very interesting debate which I have quite a bit of knowledge about and if you are interested, could discuss it with you :) ). The traditional Israeli accounts are often quite different from what the "traditional" historians say in their books, which most Israelis of course don't have time/ability to read. By the way, Mordechai Bar-On wrote an entire book on the historiography of the 1948 war.
	:I am interested in discussing this stuff with you if you have time, just because there are no other editors I know (except Ceedjee and Nudve) who have vast knowledge of the war (apologies for anyone who is reading this if you have this knowledge!). We can move this to e-mail if you don't believe it's relevant to Misplaced Pages articles (indeed, it's not relevant to most of them...). Cheers, ] <sup>(])</sup> 20:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
			So back to the main point: thank you for saying that, because that was my point. The main one, anyway. This is what I was trying to send when I had an edit conflict: I for one am pretty traumatized by the war in Ukraine articles. Do not want to go through a 17th or 18th iteration of that, especially if I can't talk about it and have to AGF all over again. If you're asking about *my* last post, the answer is both. I am trying to be fair while retaining all the shades of grey.
	::The problem, Yn, is that you want to rely on the primary sources directly. If modern historians make use of Oren (or any of the others), we can cite the modern historians citing them, so that we rely on what historians regard as worth taking from the earlier work. There is no need to use Oren directly, and doing so could lead to errors, UNDUE, and original research. <font color="green">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="pink">]</font></sup></small> 20:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
	:::SV, I find it amazing that you call Oren a "primary source" having no idea who he was. But this discussion was moved here for a reason, it's because it's unrelated to Lydda/Ramla, and is a discussion of the historiography of the war in general. —] <sup>(])</sup> 00:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
			(The next day) the link you give above with the displaytext "this link" is correct, and goes to the correct section of archive 398.
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			The one in your question to me at ArbCom goes to the top of archive 375, as verified by the url. I don't mean to bludgeon you about this, but if you think that the RSN thread about the Blue Police is a model discussion of content, then I am very gratified as its author and would like to see this (IMHO) very important point given the proper weight by arbitrators, which is more likely if the link goes to the discussion you are describing. Thanks for your attention to this ] (]) 05:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
	Like an idiot, I left the following for you yesterday on the wrong talk page. Then when you left a comment on the article talk page, I though that meant you were responding to my post, which I then couldn't find when I looked for it this morning. I briefly thought I was going mad, then realized the mistake I'd made. :) So, anyway, here is the request again (and feel free to ignore it completely if you're too busy):
			: {{Re|Elinruby}} Thanks, now I get it. I don't know how that happened. I fixed it now, do you agree? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
			:: Yes. You fixed it now.
			:: As for the buffer error, presumably at some point you looked at that archive, shrug, and were thinking of saying something to somebody about something in it. Common issue based on call center experience. Real answer depends on whether you were using a mouse, but I don't think you are asking for that much detail, are you? ] (]) 05:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
	:Hi Zero, if you have time (and there's no rush), would you mind taking a look at the above? I am thinking about trying to get it to FA status, which would mean a rewrite to shorten and tighten it, and make it MoS compliant. It would be quite a lot of work and I don't want to start it if, in fact, the article's not ready. Ynhockey is saying on the talk page that it omits key Israeli military sources that he regards as essential reading&mdash;but they are in Hebrew, so I wouldn't be able to do that. Would you mind casting an eye over the article to see whether, in your view, it is comprehensive enough as it stands, or whether anything (or any source) jumps out at you as missing, or as being unjustifiably overused? <font color="green">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="pink">]</font></sup></small> 00:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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	Heyo Zero,<br>I was serious when I asked you to refactor your comment on Levy and asking you yo tone it down (e.g. descriptives like "wild fanatic" are innapproriate). Please respond to this request.<br>Warm regards, <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 11:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
	:Thank you for responding. I hope we're in general agreement now about the issue in discussion.
	:Warm regards, <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 16:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
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			]. Interesting analysis. It may be worth pointing out my edit is all the way back from 2009... <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 13:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
	Someone who has been here as long as you should know that, you plank. ] (]) 15:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
			:<page stalker>, yeah, and given that you have 260k+ edits on en.wp, they would have least had to have gone through 200000 of your edits in order to find that -one- edit. My oh my, I must confess I'm in absolute awe over their industriousness! ] (]) 20:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
			::@] Could also be zeal ]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 07:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::], thanks, I know (having also been the subject of his unwanted attention), cheers, ] (]) 22:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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	Don't know it myself, and two people I've asked don't know it either. Its a weird transliteration - neither the right Hebrew one, nor the Hebraized Arabic into English one (which would be Urshalim). Sorry I can't be of more help. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
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	== Survey of Western Palestine ==
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			It is missing 2 pages after p. , that is pp 128-129.
	Hi Zero0000! I noticed that you added this as a source, which implies that you have access to the surveys. Since they are public domain, would it be too much to ask of you to scan or otherwise publish it? These materials are fairly hard to come by these days, but offer amazing insight into Ottoman Palestine, especially in terms of maps. Cheers, ] <sup>(])</sup> 12:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
			Those two pages are about ] and ]; you wouldn't happen to have access to them? Cheers, ] (]) 23:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
	: Please send me email by the "e-mail this user" link. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
			:{{To|Huldra}} Download different copy from Google . ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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	Please discuss the issue and raise your points on the article talk page before you delete my edits in that section. Thanks ] (]) 19:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
			You protected this page, and the article, in June 2014 following oversight actions on both. Do you believe continued protection of the talk page is warranted? ] (]) 23:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
	: If there are more theories, then you can add them. I fail to understand your logic since giving the meaning of the word in Hebrew is in context and even if considering the baseless assumption that wasn't the "original" meaning the word, the current and known meaning of the word in Hebrew should be mentioned. Hebrew is a very old language, older than English, and there is no evidence to support your claim they the meaning of that word might have been different, since it's more or less the same language - back then (when the Hebrew bible was written) and today. The grammar may have changed, but the meaning of words has not. Therefore your point is not convincing, and you should start a discussion on the talk page and see what other people think. There is no point in trying to convince me further on this. ] (]) 23:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
			: I removed the protection from the talk page. The article remains semiprotected, but according to the ARBPIA rules autoconfirmed status is not enough to edit there anyway. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:35, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
			I see that you also protected ] in December 2019 after an oversight action. Can that be lifted? ] (]) 16:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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	Hi, I just started ]..just for collecting information. That the land was owned by the Sursuk-family in 1881 probably explains why the village is not mentioned later in the Mandate-period; I assume the land was sold (with the rest of the Sursuk-land) to the Zionist-organisation, like in the ], and the Arab tenants had to leave.
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	If you could add any 1596-data, it would be great. Cheers, ] (]) 23:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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	::But the whole thing about ] just being discovered in 1936; it is a lot of rubbish, methinks. The SWP-notes shows that the place was known for decades before (though not the full extent of it). cheers, ] (]) 00:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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	:::SWP, 1881, : "two more tombs were found a little later, west of the village"
	:::SWP, 1881, : "the great caves are west of the village, on the side of the northern hill, and are entered by a door on the south-east. They were discovered by women digging for chalk" ---] (]) 00:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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	Hi, i totally agree with what you did in the article, but i don't understand as to why you feel that Tsvi Misinai is unqualified to be quoted as an expert in this field. Even though he lacks academic credentials, he is still a reputed researcher. He is a notable person. His notability is derived from his research on this subject. There are plenty of reputed media sources mentioning him and his work. Even David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi lacked academic credentials and they are still quoted. So, if their views can be mentioned, then Misinai's views on this subject should be mentioned, as an assertion, not as a fact. ] 12:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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	:: I knew this theory for a long time and find it very credible, so I'm not opposed to it being mentioned in the article. As for Misinai, he is someone who has an interest in a subject outside his area of formal expertise and he has written a book on it. From what I have read it is a very interesting book and I might even buy it. But the fact remains that it is a book written by a dedicated amateur and there are thousands of such books. Press coverage can make him and his book notable enough to get their own article (as I see there is), but it doesn't imply that the book is any good. It only implies that it is newsworthy (even the most crackpot books get newspaper coverage). When we choose sources for a key article like ] we are choosing from a very large field and can afford to stick to the most impeccable ones. I would prefer to wait until the book has favorable reviews from recognised experts. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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	:Please refrain from such acts of blatant vandalism. ] (]) 05:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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	: My Pleasure! Amazon allows limited reading of lots of books that Google does not. But it imposes a max number of pages per book so you need to be careful not to browse too much. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
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	::Hmmm ... I seem to have forgotten the password for my old Amazon account and because I don't remember my old visa number, they will not send it to me. I then set up a new account and was given the message that I could not browse without having made a prior purchase. Oh well. Perhaps I will buy something from Amazon soon anyway (maybe the Petersen book itself) as a Christmas gift to me and then I'll be able to browse more freely in the future. For now, I'm afraid I can't be of much help with this particular issue. Thans for letting me now about this though Zero and happy editing. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
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	I am trying to figure out if Jubbata is one and the same place as ]. I've left some links on the talk page that may be of help in ascertaining their locations. Unfortunately, its all Greek to me. I've never been very good at coordinates and the like. Could you take a look and offer your opinion on the matter? Thanks. ]<sup>]</sup> 08:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
			] from the past month (June 2023).
	: Hi, where did you find "Jubbata"? The one on p14 of Robinson (1843) seems to be the same as Jubata ez-Zeit, since it is in the right part of the country and there is a ''Birket'' directly to the north of it (matching Robinson's description). Did you find another Jubbata? Jubata ez-Zeit, also Joubbata ez-Zaite, Jubata al-Zayt, Djoubata el-Zeit, is correctly marked on near Majdal Chams. I have it on a 1943 military map. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
	::Page 14 of the 1843 book by Robinson mentions , on pages 58 ad 59 of the Bibliotheca Sacra, it is mentioned as , and Robinson mentions again in his later work on pages 402, 404, ad 405. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
	::: I think these are all the same, though I can't identify all the nearby place names mentioned in these sources. Unfortunately the PEF map doesn't reach this far. Also notice there is another Jubata on this map: , namely Jubata Kashab in the dark zone. However it isn't on the way from Banias to Damas or on the way to the summit of Hermon, so I don't think it is the one in the sources. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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	Hello, since the Morris-stuff keeps growing; I´ve moved everything about Morris &/or Khalidi to : ]. You are very much welcome with your comments there. (I´m trying to map the relationship between the villages given in Morris &/or Khalidi... eventually also in the: Esber, Rosemarie M. (2008), Under the Cover of War, The Zionist Expulsions of the Palestinians. Arabicus Books & Media. ISBN 0981513174, 9780981513171. -book. ----although the Esber -book I have at the moment has some absolutely horrible printing-errors. Cheers, ] (]) 09:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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	: I don't understand the system there. What does bold mean? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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	== Jewish Military Assault and Jewish Expulsion: One cause or two? ==
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	Can someone please explain to me how a "Miltary Assault" is an entirely separate cause for the depopulation than an outright "Expulsion"? The population was there, and then they left. Why did they leave? According to one source it was because they were expelled by Jews. Fine. How did these Jews manage to gain sufficient control of the village to carry through this expulsion? Military Assault. You can't expell people from a place if you don't control that place. All we're talking about here are two separate stages of one alleged cause.
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			Hey, do you have access to this full article? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-14/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/documents-confirm-israelis-poisoned-arab-wells-in-1948/00000183-d2b2-d8cc-afc7-fefed64d0000 ] (]) 19:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
	Cause 1) The rise of National Socialism in Germany;
			: {{Re|Supreme Deliciousness}} Yes, if you send me mail I will send it to you. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
	Cause 2) Adolph Hitler's election to Chancellor in 1933;
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	Cause 3) Adolph Hitler's possession of racial theories classifying Jews as subhuman;
	Cause 4) The implementation of Adolph Hitler's racial theories classifying Jews as subhuman;
	Cause 5) The construction of Death Camps.
	Cause 6) The construction of Gas Chambers.
	Cause 7) The herding of Jews into those Gas Chambers;
	Cause 8) The introction of the deadly gas "Zyklon B" into those Gas Cambers;
	Cause 9) The deadly reaction of the Jews to the introduction of Zyklon B into Gas Chambers they happened to have been located in.
	Cause 10) The cremation of those Jews killed by Zyklon B.
	Cause 12) Hyper-inflation.
	Cause 13) The harshness of the Treaty of Versailles.
	Cause 14) German bitterness over the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles.
	Cause 15) Mohammad Amin al-Husayni's alliance with Hitler.
	Cause 16) Al-Husayani's extreme inhospitality in that he refused to so much as allow Jews the most temporary of assylums in Palestine, even if only to save another human's life and kick him out once the war is over.
	Cause 17) The German need for soap.
	But there aren't 17 causes. There is but one: Jew-Hatred.
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	: Some left at the start of the military assault and some were expelled later. Two immediate causes. Read the book, p253, and read ]. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
			] from the past month (July 2023).
	::Indeed, according to Roth, a great many left before any attack took place at all. Can I cite Roth and include "Arab Leaders who threatened the inhabitants to leave lest their be dire consequences" as a third cause? I tried, but you deleted that as well. ] (]) 02:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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	Apparently I did a crime, but I did my time. Yet you've just blocked my acount once again, from alleged transgressions that had occurred PRIOR to my first block.
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	Look, I did my time. You can't block me again unless I've either recidivised, or warranted a new block for new reasons. You can't punish me from the same crime more than once. That's ]. ] (]) 00:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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	::Of course I'm Abdul. Thought it was too obvious. But that account got unblocked.
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	::I was unblocked,then you blocked it again. That's why I'm writing at a Cafe. Because you reblocked my IP. How long will you continue with your bald-faced lies? (An attack has to be false or at the very least gratuitous to qualify as a transgression of ]. Perhaps I may be personally attacking you in an incidental fashion, but a fact is a fact. You blocked me, and now you deny it. Being lied to straight to my face qualifies as a pretty serious personal attack in and of itself. ] (]) 02:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
			Hello {{u|Zero0000}}. I am the declared COI editor for ]. I've seen your editing on Israel and Jewish-related content on Misplaced Pages, and would appreciate your help with the publication of ], the founder of Nefesh B'Nefesh. In 2021, ] resulted in a redirect. This new draft is significantly expanded and reflects the extensive coverage Rabbi Fass has garnered over the years. I'd be grateful for your assistance and input in creating an independent article for Rabbi Fass. Thank you ] (]) 10:09, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
	:::I checked your block log. You were never unblocked. The administrator who blocked you on Nov 4 left you with the ability to post on your own talk page, but you abused that privilege by posting gratuitous insults and threats against Misplaced Pages. So I removed that privilege too. Now you are violating your ban by posting from a different IP. Your ban is indefinite, richly deserved, and you are not welcome here. Kindly go away. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 07:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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	== Template:Infobox former Arab villages in Palestine ==
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	Hi, I agree with you; the present template should be improved. Personally I´m absolutely no good in fixing such technical things, though. Anyway, I have started a discussion over at ], Cheers, ] (]) 07:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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	thank you for add source that help prove israelis destroy villages. we must not let pro israel editors water down article title so that it more pleasing to them! the truth be truth. ] (]) 00:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
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	I'm not trying to interfere, but look again at ] - the Google book displays incorrectly, it's actually showing p.177 and not p.76-77. I know because I have the book and couldn't find it, but the error in Google is obvious if you open the page at the hyper-link in the article. ] (]) 16:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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	: Ok, I'll look. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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	'''We''' regret to inform you that '''we''' have no intention of "kindly go away", and allowing you, and those like you, to continue to deliberately distort history. '''Our''' friend "Abdul" has created an OFF-Misplaced Pages group growing in number day by day. '''Our''' group may be a mere 145 strong, but '''our''' numbers are growing daily. To-date, only three of '''us''' have spoken. One, '''our''' founder, from an IP address in Canada, a second from the US, and a third, from, of all places, Saudi Arabia, a mere hour after the second made his post. This is not sockpuppetry. There exists no means of transportation that can transport the same individual from The United States to Saudi Arabia within one hour's time. Within the next several days, please expect to hear from a fourth member, in this instance a certain gentleman writing from an IP address in England, voicing his own personal objection to your deliberate distortion of history. No. '''We''' will certainly not "kindly go away". We are here to stay. We are here to fix Misplaced Pages. No doubt you will delete this post too due to its flagrant violation of ]. Yet we will continue. Unless and until Misplaced Pages is fixed, we will never "kindly go away". ] (]) 00:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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	During a conversation between Mr. Stuart W. Rockwell of the Office of African and Near Eastern Affairs and Abdel Monem Rifai, a Counselor of the Jordan Legation on June 5, 1950 Mr. Rifai asked when the US was going to recognize the union of Arab Palestine and Jordan. Mr. Rockwell explained the
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	I can't say that your edit summary was clear enough towards your concerns with the content changes on Avi Shlaim. RolandR and CJCurrie made a couple of irrelevant/false claims towards the standings of the newspaper and I've tried to explain their errors to them. Your concern however, if I understand correctly, are that the criticism "doesn't read like a criticism". Since to me at least is does, I figure you might want to elaborate on the talkpage. Maybe make a rephrase suggestion or some other collaborative suggestion that you would find satisfying. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 19:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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	: I agree that Dan Margalit is worth quoting. But what criticism did he make? Shlaim says A was the the worst decision, Margalit says B was the worst decision. Why is that a criticism? You say tacos are best, I say enchiladas are better; who cares? If Margalit directly accuses Shlaim of going soft on B, that would be criticism. But does he? As far as the proposed text goes, it could be that Shlaim and Margalit both rank A and B as the worst two decisions with not much to call between them. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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			== Regarding my inappropriate reply to you on Talk:There was no such thing as Palestinians ==
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	Thank you for . I'd been wanting to do so as well. ] (]) 10:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
			I'm contacting you here for two reasons:
	== Re: UN links ==
			1. I want to directly and unreservedly apologise for for my ]. You are completely right, and I'm grateful for your clear explanation of ''why'' that is the case.
	Hi Zero0000! Thanks for the heads up. While I didn't have much time when making that edit, I will definitely keep this in mind for the future. Cheers, ] <sup>(])</sup> 03:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
			2. As a non-extended-confirmed editor, I have just realised that I have violated ] by involving myself in discussion in the first place.
	== Uh, excuse me... ==
			As far as I can tell, I have therefore violated two policies. As a relatively inexperienced editor, I'm not sure what to do next. Is there a formal procedure via which I can effectively report myself for policy violations? ] (]) 01:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
	...that ''is not'' a content dispute going on at ]. The user is changing the well cited cause of Harrison's death, then using citations that say that Harrison died of exactly the cause that the user keeps changing. One look at the refs he's inserted will tell you that. I don't know why is is perceived as a content dispute. <b>]</b> ] 03:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
			:{{Re|Foxmilder}} Don't worry about the comments made in haste and thanks for the apology. Non-extended-confirmed editors were permitted to take part in talk page discussions until 9 days ago; now only edit requests are permitted. Cheers. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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			::I did not know that, so thanks — again — for explaining.
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			== Paul vs Saul from https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Persecution_of_Christians ==
	Responded on my talk page. -- ] (]) 06:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
			Hey Zero0000
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			It seems you reverted my revision claiming that since Paul=small and Saul=asked for, that Paul did change his name
			This is somewhat irrelevant. It was common practice in that era for people to have two names, one which was their Hebrew given name and then another name that sounded more "greek". These were frequently very similar in phonetics, but not in meaning.
			Saul never claimed to change his name, in fact he frequently used both names interchangeably. When the bible does reference the two names, they never claim a change of names. They claim that he uses both names.
	Thanks very much for the link and clarification. I'll be sure to correct the wording accordingly where it is encountered in our articles. Cheers and happy editing. ]<sup>]</sup> 10:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
			This is a fairly common bit of biblical mythology. I'll add a similar line to the talk page of Persecution of Christians
	:Ditto, and thanks for the welcome back. The UN-link is very useful, and should be included in the -48-village-articles. Perhaps we could figure out a "standard" way of presenting the info? I would like to include both links in each article, both to the UN-page and to the 1970-copy.
			https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/no-saul-the-persecutor-did-not-become-paul-the-apostle/ ] (]) 14:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
	:Also; I would love to see a commons-cat with each of the 48-villages; we could start with a subset of the maps. I'm trying to get Ashley to do the job....(he can edits on commons).
			: {{Re|PuckSR}} I don't have an opinion on the facts, but only noticed that your edit summary "Paul is just the Latinized version of Saul" is incorrect. The religious site you name doesn't come close to satisfying Misplaced Pages's requirements for a ]. However, the issue is peripheral to that particular article, so there is no need to resolve it there. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
	:And, I would love to expand ]; on commons there are now two pictures of the maqam of Sultan Badr:-) It is ancient; apparently from ] days, and Petersen writes a lot about it (p.136-139). Also mentioned in ], (1927). That article really deserves to be expanded. Cheers, ] (]) 13:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
			::Ah, I see what you were saying.
			::I meant "latinized" in the sense of an Anglicized name. As someone named Johoviak might anglicize their name to "John". I didnt mean to convey that it was a latin translation of the name. As for the source, I didn't think it needed to be a reliable source, as I wasn't making a positive assertions. Even the[REDACTED] entry to Paul https://en.wikipedia.org/Paul_the_Apostle#Names clarifies that this is a common misunderstanding that seems to have slipped into the Christian persecution text. ] (]) 20:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
			== Administrators' newsletter – December 2023 ==
	:::Hi Zero. Thanks for adding info on 1931 census to ]. Do you hve any info on the 1943 British census in Palestine? I believe it ws an animal census (though I'm not sure) as I can see a bit about it in . I'm trying to draw up a section on agricultural and pastoral prctices in the village and I think that source might be helpful. Thanks. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
			] from the past month (November 2023).
	:::: There were some taxes on animals and this required a count to be kept. See for example (I dont' see what year is being referred to). Also (1927). The Department of Agriculture conducted regular animal censuses. However I doubt that it will be possible to get data on a particular village; most probably the census reports only contained statistical summaries. I will see if I can find such a report, but at the moment I don't have high hopes. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks for looking into it. Sorry by the way about the error in dating the Mehola junction bombing. I thought ] would be reliable source for something like that, but if you are saying that nespaper reports plce in at 1993, then it seems there is a problem. I'll look into the issue further. But what do to when multiple reliable sources characterize the ] as the first one? Is everyone wrong? Or are we missing something? ]<sup>]</sup> 10:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
	::: I suspect someone described it as the first suicide bombing ''in Israel'', then other people repeated it without realising the qualification is important. Once a myth like that gets started, there is no stopping it. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
	::::I believe your assessment is your correct. I've added a note to ] drawing on material from ''Hamas: Politics, Charity, and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad'' by Matthew Levitt, Dennis Ross. It states clearly that the Mehola bombing was the first car bomb suicide attack, but the Afula Bus bombing was the first succcessful car bomb suicide attack inside Israel proper. I suspect that because the Mehola bombing didn't result in Israeli fatalies, it is often overlooked. And the qualifier "in Israel" is important to describing as Afula as the first as well. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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	If the file is indeed in the public use now, maybe it should be uploaded to the Commons? In the Russian version of the article they use the same image with arrows and it was uploaded under fair-use conditions which is apparently wrong. So can you upload it to the Commons so that all language sectors can use it as a public domain image? Thank you. --] (]) 18:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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	I wrote an article about palestinefacts.org here on wp several years ago..after a year or so it was nuked without me being notified ;-( I thought I would ask an admin to recover it for me, and have it moved into my user-space (like Tiamut has done with ].) I just never have gotten around to it. It had all the contact-info, etc, which was later hidden away in archives. I cannot remember the exact name; ] or ]. Zero: if you can look at my deleted user-page, there was a (red!) link there. May I ask you to recover the article, and move it to my user-space? Cheers, ] (]) 02:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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	: I can't find it. Maybe I didn't manage to guess the right name; can you find it in your contribs? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
	::It´t gone from my contribution-list, methinks. But go to the ]-page (which was deleted in August last year); undelete that, and you will in the history find that I listed the articles that I had started. Palestinefact was among them. Cheers, ] (]) 02:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
	:::Try ]..that is how it was referred to . -] (])
	:::: See ]. I gave you two versions. Since there are now two <nowiki>{{Reflist}}</nowiki> templates, things might be confused on there. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
	:::::Ah, ok, thanks, ] (]) 03:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Hi, Zero. It's best to tag userfyed articles as {{tl|Userspace draft}} when userfying them. Thanks! -- ] (]) 03:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks, I didn't know of that template. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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	While I agree that the website doesn't meet WP:RS, I am concerned by the undiscussed removal of all references to it on Misplaced Pages, especially for non-controversial facts. Why is the same not being done for other non-WP:RS websites, such as palestineremembered.com, which features prominently in dozens of articles? —] <sup>(])</sup> 00:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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	:::Just some notes on palestineremembered.com: I don´t think any of the "regular" contributors here use that site as a source any more -it might have been a case 4-5 years ago, but not today. Personally I use the site for two purposes: linking to the 1945-census, (which there is a copy of on the site)..and under the "External links"-section. Now; the reason why I link under the external link-sections is...the pictures. The site hosts some great pictures which people have uploaded. Under ], to take an example, the site hosts the best pictures online (AFAIK) of what is probably the most important Shia site in present Israel. I haven´t seen as good pictures anywhere else (except in books). Palestineremembered.com also lists their sources (a big plus!) --but I have seen that they have mixed up the material at some of the villages. So I agree: they should not be used as a source, at least not for any controversial material. But I will continue to link to it under "external links"-section, unless that is explicitly forbidden. Cheers, ] (]) 23:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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	: I agree that many of the citations were for non-controversial facts, but they should be easy to cite to sources meeting the rules. I only deleted content in the case of one or two extreme claims. Regarding palestineremembered.com, most citations are to its hosted scans of British and UN documents (which is allowed by the rules, see ]). Claims of fact which originate with palestineremembered.com or come via palestineremembered.com from unreliable/unverifiable places should not be allowed. These are not the only two web sites that should be used more sparingly, but one thing at a time. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
	:: I undid one of your changes, because you seem to have been deleting references to this website everywhere. This seems like a bad thing to do, because you have not touched any of the material for which this website was a reference. ] is not an absolute measure, anyway; it is OK to cite unreliable sources, or even opinion, if it is made clear in the article where the information came from. ] (]) 03:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
	::: I posted at ]. Regarding your last statement, I don't agree. As far as I see it, policy is to not use unreliable sources even for completely uncontested information. Citation of such a source for an opinion could be ok if the attribution of the opinion is reliable (eg the web site of a political party can be cited for the opinion of that party). In the case of this web site, we cannot even use it in the form "According to X, ..." since the web site does not identify any person or organization as responsible for its content. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 07:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
	:::: Ok, I agree with you, sorry if I caused any trouble. ] (]) 03:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
	::::: No trouble at all; we need to discuss these things sometimes. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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			== Page revert not appropriate ==
	Hi, I notice that you have been removing a large number of references. I think this is quite damaging, so I've added a note at the Administrator's Notice Board. ] (]) 03:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
			My comments on the talk page related to the article, not to the topic itself in general.
	: The correct place to discuss this communally is at ], not ]. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
			Furthermore, they cited key legal documents and provisions. Consideration of such documents and analysis were constructive criticism of the subject area I identified in the article, which were offered to improve the article.
	:: I've added a note now to ]. Maybe I shouldn't have brought your name into it, but to me it seems that there are a lot of unreferenced statements lying around in these articles now without any supporting references, which might take a while to clear up. ] (]) 04:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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			You and other editors should not revert unless the edits are disruptive. Disruptive comments should not include those that are well supported by relevant legal documentation and analysis.
	See my talk page. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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	:For info on ] nd the Bilal ibn Rabah mosque and tomb, see my talk page. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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	::Hey Zero0000, thanks for the offer, but Nbleezy already sent it to me. I just finished reading it (it's very interesting). Hope to begin a draft in user space tomorrow. Just have to do decide how to transliterate his name. :) Anyway, thanks again. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
			Where as here, reverting talk on the page I made in good faith and which pertained to key issues relating to the article, stultifies discourse. Such actions lead to legitimate claims of censorship, which violates Misplaced Pages's policy.
	== Off the record. ==
			You also failed to notify me that you reverted the page. The best policy is, if you have a concern, to discuss it with me first before taking action. If we have a disagreement, we can mutually agree to seek the opinion of a neutral third party.
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			I think such an approach respects both the process and the persons involved. ] (]) 03:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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			: {{Re|Biolitblue}} I don't make the rules. ] is very clear on what non-ec editors like yourself are allowed to do, and your edit did not conform to those rules. If you want another opinion, ask a different administrator. There is a list ]. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
	Look, all the history and the text is not lost from my edits. The non cited material has been there for a long while. I have even left up some old and "citeless" portions of the article. I just think its time that this article becomes sane. If there is text that I have deleted because of a lack of citations you need only to find the cite and return it to the original position. ] (]) 13:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
			::The only requirement I can discern is that the editor's content on the Talk page must not be "disruptive."
			::I interpret disruptive as gas lighting, pushing an agenda, offering evidence which is irrelevant or off-topic, or arguments that are logically spurious or unsourced.
			::Does ] define "disruptive" differently? ] (]) 04:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
			::: You are only allowed to make edit requests. Article critique is not an edit request. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::I stated that "he legality section needs development and a higher location in the article." The only reasonable inference is that the documents and analysis furnished in the body of the talk was a proposed edit to further develop the legality section.
			::::The legality section is paramount because it determines the respective rights and obligations of the respective parties not just in the Mandate, but over time. Where as here, summarily claiming that the legal aspects have been debated by scholars and then listing in footnotes sections of books where scholarly debate is purportedly found is insufficient. In fact, it comes across as subterfuge and a way to obviate the need for proper discussion.
			::::As a policy of Misplaced Pages, Misplaced Pages has to be accessible to the average reader. A great majority of readers will not pick up these books at the library or purchase them, and the "scholarly" analysis might be too abstruse.
			::::Without the editing requested, it is NOT ''']''': because it omits key aspects and documents pertaining to the legality of the Mandate. Along these same lines, it is not broad in its coverage and does not discuss all relevant aspects.
			::::As it stands, with no disrespect intended to the author and other contributors, I disagree with this article's rating as a "good article." It is possible that if the legality section were more developed, the article could not only fulfill the requirements of a good article but could even become a feature article.
			::::My proposed edits might be WP:NOR until others have had the opportunity to examine the documents, analysis, and conclusions. If the conclusions are rejected as WP:NOR upon review, then the sections and discrepancies in the documents could still be highlighted without violating the rule. Some other content dealing with the McMahon-Hussein correspondence does not violate the rule if I remove the conclusion and let the sources quotes speak for themselves. I have more quotes on the matter. ] (]) 15:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
	== Jstor ==		== Nableezy ban ==
			Hi. Not sure I was very helpful there. I wish I can be of some help. On a different level: what would really constitute friendly help here? Anyone who is so personally involved in this huge tragedy should be helped to take a break from it - in real life. Wiki comes next. Apparently being glued to the screens can produce more PTSD and depression than facing ''some'' of the horrible things happening there in person. If we don't manage to help him out of the ban, it might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. But then again, a) he must know it, and b) his editing, the stress involved, and the additional time it keeps him stuck in this unending hell is probably the least of his stress factors right now. Try to help him on a different level if you can, maybe ask Nishidani to write to him as well. It's far too much for me too. Thanks, ] (]) 23:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
	Hey, do you have access to Jstor? If I ask you for some articles, can you send them to me? --] (]) 23:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
	: Sure, but ask in email since I'll need to send them that way anyway. (Click my "E-mail this user" link.) ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		: {{Re|Arminden}} It's not proper for me to advise you on how to handle this. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
			::I wasn't asking for that. My focus was on Nableezy as a person rather than an editor. That is, if you have closer contact to him than I do. If not, I'm sorry I brought it up. ] (]) 13:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
	::You have mail. --] (]) 19:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			:::Sometimes, the best thing that we can do for ourselves is to step-away from the issues that put us at variance with our fellow editors (even if it is only for a short period). Personally speaking, for me, it was good to step-away from the Arab-Israeli conflict - because of its inherent contentious nature. Nableezy has shown understanding to my own shortcomings in the ARBPIA area, and he has volunteered to act as a mentor for me, even though we share different political views. There is something to be admired about his ability to give to his disputant the benefit of the doubt.] (]) 21:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
	:::Thank you for the documents, I sent you one more link after, did you see it? --] (]) 21:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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	I am starting to see the end of my ], finally! I have now put in the Morris village # in ''all'' the villages that I have found. The ones that I have yet not found are *mostly* redlinked. I supect/assume many of them are Beduin.
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	: I can't find any map evidence of two Majdal Yabas close together as Morris marks them. SWP has only one, census 1931 only has one, similarly Village stats 1945. I rather suspect Morris made a mistake. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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	*To ] belonged the vast lands stretching from ] to the west, ] to the east, ] to the north and ] to the south. With a total area of 26.63 Sq. Km, all those lands, castles, springs, mills, rivers, quarries, vineyards, citrus grooves etc which are within that boundry belonged to ]. Please have in mind that it was the headquarters of all govenments which had ruled the place all over history, and a lordship during the crusaders. ] was the regional administrative and military headquarters, while and ] was the regional watch tower and lord's residence, they are inseparable. Ras Al Ain was only deserted in recent history after it's british occupation in Sept 12. 1918, who built a big camp over it's lands calling it Camp Ras El Ain (120 Maintenance Unit) . Parts of ] also goes under ] lands, it was dominated by a christian family who said to have sold it in 1931 to the ] who built ] ] at this land in 1952, hope this clears things up regarding the Morris' two Majdal Yabas , Ras Al Ain , Antipatirs , and al-Mirr refered in Morris-Khalidi lists ] (]) 14:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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	: We have no article. It is marked as a location on PEF (11, Mn) and Mandate maps. Midway between Petach Tiqva and Kafr Qasim. SWP II,150 says "Ras el 'Ain.—An abundant perennial supply of cold clear water forming a pool even in August, from which a stream is conducted in a small channel to gardens below. The water issues from a masonry structure which has in it a small recess, as at 'Ain es Sultan." Same source p210 says "Ras el 'Ain (Mn).—A wall of small masonry and rubble, with a niche pointing south behind the spring ; two aqueducts, partly rock-cut, partly of small masonry, the upper one only in use. The work looks like the Roman work of the Kan at el Kufar (Sheet XVII.), and that at 'Ain es Sultan (Sheet XVIII.)." (no mention as a village, rather as a spring). 1939 map shows it as a stop on the railway line and there is a pumping station there. Can't see it is 1931 census or 1945 village stats. Khalidi (end of p396) says "former village...deserted since the 1920s". ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 09:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	::That would be ], (another article which should really be vastly expanded..), I put a link to it in the dab ], --] (]) 20:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	Village #223 Jindas?
	: We have no article. Tiny village 1.5km NNE of Lydda. SWP II,251 says "A very small hamlet of mud" (not much for an article!). Khalidi in preface (p. xix) says that it was not included as it was "largely vacated before the commencement of hostilities". Village stats 1945 shows population 0. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	::The only other "Jindas" I know is ], though if it is on the road between Lydda and Ramleh, then I assume it is *south* of Lydda. -] (]) 20:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	Village #268 Huraniya?
	: This is ]. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	::Yes?...but, what then is village #274 ]?? --] (]) 20:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
	::: Good question! My guess was based on the fact that ''Huraniya'' does not appear on maps, or census 1931 or stats 1945, and Khalidi's index says "al-Huraniyya, see al-Masmiyya al-Saghira ". Then in the article on ''al-Masmiyya al-Saghira'' (p126) he gives alternative names ''Masmyyat al-Hurani'' and ''al-Huraniyya''. Another Morris mistake? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
	Cheers, ] (]) 01:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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	*village #371 ]?
	: It is the old site of Sarona, bought out during the mandate period, see ]. The location was about 1km SE of modern Sharona. I don't know its 1948 story. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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	: This one is very mysterious. Morris describes it as a village and quotes an IDF communique about "at least 20 houses". But I haven't yet found a single mention of it anywhere else. I'm guessing bedouin encampment. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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	Ok, now I think I have got as far as I can with the Morris-list. I have been looking and looking for
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	: I have it on maps as a swamp! No other information. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 09:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
	* #376 Arab al Nusseirat, both in Tulkarm..but cannot find any "candidates".
	: Note Morris' index says "Arab al Nusseirat tribe". In the 1931 census the population of Arab el Nuseirat is included with that of ], which is in the West Bank. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 09:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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	: No, they are different. I see both on the same map. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 09:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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			: {{Re|Nableezy}} It's a hard question because I don't have the article in question. The author Grossman was a well-known demographer. What concerns me is the precision of the reports; the fact that a family or two has a tradition of coming from another place does not mean that the tradition is true, and it doesn't entitle us to write that the village population came from that other place. But it is hard to argue this without the source. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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			::Grossman (2011), Rural Arab Demography and Early Jewish Settlement in Palestine: Distribution and Population Density During the Late Ottoman and Early Mandate Periods has stuff from the journal, idk if that could be used instead. ] (]) 10:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
			::: I have that book and it could be useful for generalities, but it has little in the way of village by village details. I understand that the Hebrew edition was more expansive. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
			::: I asked at ]. The chances are small. I'm willing to pay for this article but the only way I can find to get it is to start a subscription. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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			Thank you very much :) ] (]) 17:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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			I'm writing on behalf of the IP Server who started to edit at "British currency in the Middle East" on 29th March this year. The editor suddenly found the IP server range blocked, while being accused of being a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. The editor at the IP server categorically denies being TheCurrencyGuy, doesn't know TheCurrencyGuy, and has never interacted with him. Meanwhile, a editor called JMF has been on the talk page at "British currency in the Middle East" stating that at least some of the recent edits were definitely done by TheCurrencyGuy. Well, so he says, but not one of the edits carried out by the blocked IP server since 29th March was done by TheCurrencyGuy, and it doesn't appear that anybody else edited during that period. It would be interesting to see what JMF's evidence is, but meanwhile he has reverted all the hard work and careful research that was carried out since 29th March. The article is now in an inferior state with many factual inaccuracies that had been corrected by the blocked IP server. ] (]) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
			: JMF's advice to get an account is what I would advise too. And the best way to avoid text being removed for being unsourced is to add sources at the same time as the text. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
			An account cannot be created until it is acknowledged that the blocked IP server is not a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Meanwhile, the editor using the blocked IP server categorically denies the accusation, and says that this is the only important issue at the moment. Can you please help to have the investigation re-visited. The blocked IP editor has checked the editing history of TheCurrencyGuy to see what the alleged similarities are, and has noted that TheCurrencyGuy began his editing days by correcting the format of a foreign currency on some article, and then over time did likewise with many other currency units, and his focus seemed to be on spelling and formatting. The blocked IP server would like to point out that this style has got nothing in common with matters relating to the history of currency in the Middle East. If you can get the IP server unblocked, then the editor will be able to discuss the matter with you directly. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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			::: You are not convincing me, and anyway I do not have the authority to overrule the results of ]. I don't see the slightest reason why someone can't make an account if they want to edit. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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			: {{Re|Bobfrombrockley}} It means that the authors of articles in MW should be attributed for their claims. It doesn't say "stuff in MW should be attributed to MW", it says that statements in MW "should be ]", which ''always'' means that opinions or claims should be attributed to whoever is giving the opinion or making the claim (note the meaning of "attributed" in the link). The only time it implies that MW as a magazine should be attributed for something is when the article at hand is when MW itself is the author (e.g. an editorial). Also, if MW was to be attributed it would have to be like "according to MW", which is not what you have been writing — what you have been writing is not an attribution at all per WP jargon but rather a part of the citation placed in the text against usual practice. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks for the quick reply. I might take this to another forum as I had never understood it in this way so would welcome clarification. ] (]) 13:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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			Hi {{ping|Zero0000}} Why did you put your comment half way up the discussion? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
			: Your signature is very annoying. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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			To someone who was killed in a "brief massacre", its "briefness" would not be the slightest mitigating factor. My recommendation would be to avoid incongruous dimunitizing expressions such as "brief massacre", "slight temporary genocide", or "gentle rape" as arguments for your edits, whether to the Kfar Etzion massacre article or elsewhere on Misplaced Pages... ] (]) 21:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
			: {{Re|AnonMoos}} Wow, my very own stupid personal attack. It's my lucky day. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 23:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Keep on searching the thesaurus for oxymoronic adjective-noun combinations like "non-violent murder" and "tiny little extermination campaign" all you want, but you won't be improving Misplaced Pages by doing so. ] (]) 00:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
			::: Two kisses on the same day are enough. Now kindly improve my user page by pissing off. Go on, shoo. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
			I replied on the Mandatory flag thread above (I also quickly got tired of that discussion in 2022, though there was more to say). ] (]) 11:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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			Hi. I see that you reverted my contribution to the page about antisemitism on Harvard’s campus after 2020. I'm aware of the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict. My intention was not to post on that conflict but to report on important antisemitic incidents happening on college campuses, which I understood was the point of this page. I get that these protests are influenced, in part, by the Arab-Israeli conflict, but is there a way to acknowledge the catalyst while avoiding violating the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Do you have any recommendations on how I can reword some of my content to un-revert it and restore it to the page? Thank you very much. ] (]) 18:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			:{{Re|HistoryBook123}} They aren't just "influenced" by the A-I conflict, they are part of it. Anyway the ARBPIA topic designation says "broadly interpreted" so there is really no doubt that the material is included. Your only option is to put an edit proposal on the talk page. I didn't make the rules and if I don't enforce them for sure someone else will. Your edit also contained opinion written in wikivoice so it wouldn't have lasted long even if you had the required credentials. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
			== False Accusation of Sockpuppetry ==
			Regarding the blocked IP server that I used in April to make edits at British currency in the Middle East, I've opened up this special account in order to help resolve the situation. I can't edit again util the administrator who blocked my address revisits the original investigation. But even with this special account, I still can't seem to be able to edit on their talk page. I appreciate that you yourself don't have the authority to over rule that result, but I'd be grateful if you could contact Bbb23 on my behalf and ask them if they could take a look at the evidence again. I can assure you that I am definitely not TheCurrencyGuy. I've looked at his edits. His style and purpose was quite different from mine, and besides I did show you evidence last month that we were both editing at the exact same time on different articles. I'd be most grateful if you could help. ] (]) 08:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
			:: I've put the message like this, but I seem to have formatted it wrongly. Can you please help me to format it and I'll post it again,
			<nowiki>{{To|Bbb23}}I'd be grateful if you could contact me here regarding a block on my IP server which you did on 12th April. Somebody alleged that I am a sockpuppet of an editor called TheCurrencyGuy. I am assuredly not however. The accusation involved another editor with a name something like Jahor12345 who was also blocked for being a sockpuppet of TheCurencyGuy. I have no idea whether they were or not, but I did find evidence that Jahor12345 was editing at exactly the same time as me on different articles. The only thing we seem to have in common is the fact that we were editing on currency related articles, but not with the same style or purpose. I look forward to hearing from you.~~~~</nowiki>
			] (]) 08:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
			It doesn't appear that the blocking administrator is going to reply. Is there some kind of notice board that I can go to in order to highlight this issue? I think it's quite important. I was editing in good faith and suddenly blocked, just because I happened to be editing on currency related articles and because there is a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. But there is something very seriously wrong when those involved aren't open to discussing the evidence. The blocking administrator must know fine well that the IP servers don't match. ] (]) 12:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
			: You can write at ] but it's possible nobody will be interested, as are there are currently no sanctions against your account. You'll need to explain everything with diffs and not assume that anyone is aware of it. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks again. I'll maybe do that. Although there are no sanctions against this account, it's still impossible for me to edit on the Middle East currency articles that I had been editing on with the IP server, because I would be immediately blocked again, based on the belief of Bbb23 that I am a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Until that belief has been officially debunked by, either Bbb23, or by some other administrator, I will have no future in the project. This began in March when I was studying the schism between the Egyptian piastre and the Turkish piastre in 1844. I had obtained books on the topic and I also referred to the relevant Misplaced Pages articles. These articles were quite useful, but it was clear that they contained many inaccuracies. I set about correcting the information in these articles and I thought I had got them into a much more accurate state. I was nearly finished, and about to make an edit relating to the Saudi Riyal when suddenly I found myself blocked, having been accused of abusively indulging in sockpuppetry. And soon after that, another editor wiped out every single bit of work that I had done, expressly stating that the reason wasn't based on the content on the edits, but on the grounds that he believed me to be a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. It's turned me pretty sour about the project, but I'm still holding out hope that there must surely be some administrator who can check out that my IP server was different from TheCurrencyGuy's, and that likely we are in totally different geographical locations, and that the entire focus of our edits is quite different, and that at one point we were editing on different articles at exactly the same time. There is something seriously wrong with the system if this cannot be ascertained, and that people simply get blocked because they edit on an article that is of interest to another editor who has been blocked.] (]) 18:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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			Hey Zero, please give me your input on the Misandry discussion. I just can't keep arguing with these people anymore. It feels like we need a way bigger team of admins involved. Someone just told me "admins don't have any special authority in content disputes." ] (]) 14:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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			can you please strike booth the non ECR comment as well as your response in the Talk page?
			when you leave it this way it seams like you care more about "winning"[REDACTED] and getting your pov heard then to actually Resolve the content dispute
			thank in advance. ] (]) 13:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
			: Certainly not. First, it is only permitted to remove edit summaries under very limited circumstances and this is not one of them. Second, as you well know, you are limited to edit requests and your other comments are not permitted. I didn't make the rules, but I am allowed to enforce them. So, whatever "dispute" is happening there, you are not a party to it. You can always make yourself an account and work up to EC if you want to participate. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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			Thanks for your help with navigating the stages to appeal the block. I think the matter has now been resolved. It seems that TheCurrencyGuy is geographically close to me and that contributed towards the suspicion. I may or may not return to editing, but if I do, I will either use the IP server again or create another account with a more suitable username. ] (]) 10:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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			Since you helped me to get the project back on track again, see my user page to understand what it was all about https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Specialrequestaccount ] (]) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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	Hi. I tried to pull up "7 appears in "After bombings, America faces up to prejudice" Charles M. Sennott, 21 June 1995, The Boston Globe.", but it appears to be behind a paywall. Tx.--] (]) 08:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
	: Sent by email. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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			== Shebaa ==
	This society published a large number of early accounts of Palestine. Volumes available at archive.org:
	* Procopius of Caesarea. 560AD
	* Itinerary from Bordeaux to Jerusalem. 333AD.
	* Letter of Paula and Eustochium to Marcella. 386AD.
	* The Pilgrimage of the Holy Paula.
	* The Epitome of S. Eucherius about certain Holy Places. 440AD.
	* Theodosius. 550AD.
	* Antoninus Martyr. 510-550AD.
	* Vol 3. Pilgrimage of Arculfus, Hodoeporicon of St. Willibald, Description of Syria and Palestine by Mukaddasi, Itinerary of Bernard the Wise.
	* The Hodoeporicon of Saint Willibald. 754AD.
	* Description of Syria and Palestine by Mukaddasi. 985AD.
	* The Itinerary of Bernard the Wise. 1090AD.
	* Vol 4. Journey through Syria and Palestine by Nasir-i-Khusrau, Pilgrimage of Saewulf to Jerusalem, Pilgrimage of the Russian Abbot Daniel.
	* Saewulf. 1102-1103AD.
	* Description of the Holy Land by John of Würzburg. 1160-1170AD.
	* The Pilgrimage of Joannes Phocas in the Holy Land. 1185AD.
	* Guide-Book to Palestine. 1350AD.
	* John Poloner's Description of the Holy Land. 1421AD.
	* Extracts from Aristeas, Hecataeus, Origen, and other early writers.
	* Vol 6. Anonymous Pilgrims, City of Jerusalem and Ernoul's account of Palestine, Guide Book to Palestine, Description of the Holy Land by John Poloner.
	* The History of Jerusalem by Jacques de Vitry. 1180AD.
	* Theoderich's Description of the Holy Places. 1172AD.
	* Pilgrimage of S. Silva of Aquitana to the Holy Places. 385AD.
	* General Index
	* Churches of Constantine at Jerusalem
	* The Pilgrimage of Arculfus in the Holy Land. 670AD.
	* Fetellus. 1130AD.
	* Anonymous Pilgrims I-VIII
	* Felix Fabri. Vol I. Part I. 1480-1483AD.
	* Felix Fabri. Vol I. Part II. 1480-1483AD.
	* Felix Fabri. Vol II. Part I. 1480-1483AD.
	* Felix Fabri. Vol II. Part II. 1480-1483AD.
	* The Life of Saladin by Beha Ed-Din. 1137-1193AD.
	* The Epitome of S. Eucherius about certain Holy Places. 440AD. Breviary or Short Description of Jerusalem. 530AD.
	Any more??
			Is https://unifil.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/unifilpresskit.pdf (the section Shab'a Farms on p.6) in accord with your understanding of the current position?
	According to the index, there are also the following titles (or chapters):
			Anyway it does say "With the UN having placed the Shebaa Farms area south of the Blue Line at the time the line was established, Israel considers them part of the Golan, rather than Lebanon. Hence, it would only negotiate with Syria, and address the issue in Syrian-Israeli peace talks on the Golan." Salud. ] (]) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
	* Burchard of Mount Sion
			: {{Re|Selfstudier}} Yes, that's my understanding. Is it contrary to what I wrote in the article? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
	* A Crusader's Letter
			::No, not at all, was just checking that it was still current, apart from that, I saw you said you wanted a later source for the Israeli position, will it do? ] (]) 11:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
	* Ludolph von Suchem
			::: {{Re|Selfstudier}} Right, good point. I'll add it. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
	* Marino Sanuto
	The index is definitely the easiest way to find something.
	]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
	::Take a look at ], Cheers, ] (]) 02:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
	== "Mazra´a, Khirbat al-"? ==		== Elizabeth Loftus Page ==
			Hi Zero, just wanted to chat about this page. By way of intro, I'm a clinical psychologist with 30 years experience. I would respectfully suggest that to not include this account, reported in great detail by The New Yorker from interviewing Loftus, would leave this page incomplete and lacking encyclopaedic credibility. For those of us in the profession this revelation changed everything about Loftus's position. It was quite incredible that she herself gave one of the best examples of not remembering and then recalling a traumatic memory.
	Hi, Do you know what/where "Mazra´a, Khirbat al-", mentioned in Pringle, 1997, is? Cheers, ] (])
			Her word for word quote “the memory flew out at me, out of the blackness of the past, hitting me full force” is a clear and classic account of recovering a repressed memory - you don't get better . All a repressed traumatic memory is is a memory that was not remembered for a period of time and then it is when it is triggered - it's not a complex psychological concept. I'm happy to work with you on wording you're comfortable with as a full account is more important than the wording. I did try to rely on attributed quotes rather than use my own words. You might like to discuss with a friendly psychologist. Cheers Penny ] (]) 22:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
	: It is 1km from the coast, 2km south of Tantura. SWP II, 4&33 (el Mezrah). No population in modern times as far as I can tell, including now. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:14, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
			: {{Re|Pennylewis}} You need to read the whole source. {{tq|"But Loftus never forgot what happened. She had shared the memory with Geoff shortly after they married. “It wasn’t ‘Oh, my God, I was abused,’” he said. “It was more like ‘What’s more, I myself was abused.’"}} It is not for us to interpret the source according to what we would like it to mean. The source does not say that she had repressed the incident from her childhood until it suddenly came out in a courtroom, so we aren't allowed to say that either per ]. Nobody except Loftus herself can say that, and per ] it doesn't make a difference what your expertise is, sorry. Yes, I know that people who dispute Loftus' views would just love it if she proved herself wrong, but that's something to argue in professional venues, not here. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
			::I have to admit, with some chagrin, that I did not see that para of her not forgetting it. A colleague sent me the part that I shared and I guess I assumed that there was little point to highlighting it if she had remembered it all along! Sucked in by the journalistic sensationalism. Should have read the entire article in detail. I am embarrassed and am grateful that you very graciously dealt with my error here. With due respect to you. ] (]) 07:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
			== Help with Harvnb refs ==
	::Ah, thanks. Also, do you have the pop. numbers for 1931 for ]? At the moment, the article has no info for the period between 1880s and 1948. Any info would be much appreciated. Cheers, ] (]) 00:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
			Hey, do you know how to fix this problem?: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Help_with_Harvnb_refs ] (]) 21:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
	::: Please check your email. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Supreme Deliciousness}} I have just now fixed it for you.] (]) 01:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
	== You gotta be kidding ==
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	There is no original research in my edit. The statement is on the web and any hebrew reader can see that I'm right. here is the link: http://www.jabotinsky.org/jabo_multimedia/multimedia/documents/linked/%D7%9B4%20-10_1.PDF ] (]) 15:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
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	:This is a classic instance of original research. You refer us to a typewritten document which you claim to have found in an archive. Even if the document is there, it is a primary source, and cannot be used as a reliable source. Your interpretation of this document is certainly original research. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 16:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
	::The source of the sentence in question (as written in the article) is "Statement of Yehuda Lapidot , file 1/10 4-K, Jabotinsky Archives, Tel Aviv". is the link to Jabotinsky Archives. is file 1/10 4-K that is on the archive web page and indeed it includes Lapidot's testimony. There is no original research here. Someone added a false sentence that supposedly has a reference. I checked the ref and found out that there is nothing in Lapidot's testimony that supports the sentence. There is no interpretation here what so ever. the sentence that is in the article is not supported by the source period. What was wrong with my actions? ] (]) 16:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
	::: How do you know the file was not sanitized for publication? There must have been quite a lot of consternation when ''Koteret Rashit'' first published the file. Also there are other sources. Milstein in his recent book "Blood Libel - The true story of the massacre at Deir Yassin" writes "Later on Yehuda Lapidot related that when they discussed the question of how to deal with the inhabitants that would not flee, there were Lehi men that proposed killing them, in order to frighten the Arabs in the whole country and to raise the morale of the Jews of Jerusalem, but he and his comrades, the Etzel commanders, had reservations about their proposal, claiming that this matter belongs in the political field, and they said that they would bring the proposal to their headquarters." He also gives another similar testimony: "Ben Zion Cohen (an Etzel man) later related that there were disagreements also on the question of what to do with prisoners, and that most of the ones present in the meeting said that the adults should be killed, and also those among the elderly, women and children that will fight, while he and Lapidot claimed that civilians should not be harmed." Milstein cites the Jabotinsky Archives directly (but without a file number). Silver cites the publication in Koteret Rashit, also without giving a file number. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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	==Portion of West Bank showing Qalqilya and Hableh enclaves==
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	is very nice. I'm curious how you did it ? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 03:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
			What was all about? Are you saying that the phrase was in use throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, for a total of 200 years? ] (]) 13:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
	: Thanks. I just drew it by hand with Photoshop, using the CIA map as a template. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
			: {{Re|The Mountain of Eden}} Your version says "late 19th and early 20th centuries". The paragraph immediately following gives an 1843 example, which is not late 19th century, so "late 19th" is wrong. Even earlier examples are known (I should add them). As to when it stopped being used, that isn't specified. I know of examples from the 1980s and 1990s, which admittedly are not in the article yet. I'm open to another wording, but you are mistaken in thinking that "during" means "throughout". It doesn't. Incidentally, exchanges like this should go on the article talk page so they aren't lost. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
	::Ah the old tracing paper way. It worked very well. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 06:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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	== Wanted ==		== Source ==
			Hey, do you have access to this source? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/yearbook-of-international-humanitarian-law/article/abs/changing-the-landscape-israels-gross-violations-of-international-law-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/149F5F3EBF6612F469AFB4ABBF2C2820#access-block ] (]) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
	No, I'm afraid not. And I can't easily get to a library that has it! I do have the books by my wife's grandfather, Moshe Svorai, which may cover the same material. What is it that you want? email me if you would rather; you know my address. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 07:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
	:Have you thought of looking on Google Books in Hebrew? I'll give it a go later. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 07:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		: {{Re|Supreme Deliciousness}} Yes. I can give it to you if you send me mail. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
			::You have mail. --] (]) 01:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::One more? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537689 --] (]) 05:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
			Hey, do you have access to these two?
	== Third holy==
	You said jerusalem being the third holiest islamic site is a mainstream islamic viewpoint, but this is clearly false. ]s consider Najaf the third holiest place. ]s disassociate from any shrines. Destruction of sacred sites in Hijaz by the Saudis, initiated by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab continues even today, to prevent, what some consider to be the practices of grave-worshipping and revering the deads and ask favors of the dead buried there. So there is no way any Salafi scholar calls Al Aqsa 'holy' considering islamic prophets are buried there. Plus, ] do not accept hadith so Quranists wouldn't accept Bukhari interpretations of Jerusalem being holy either since Jerusalem is not mentioned by name in the Quran as al-Quds.
			https://brill.com/display/title/172
	I think i have demonstrated that Jerusalem being the third holiest site is far from a mainstream view by 3 major denominations of Islam.
	] (]) 12:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
			https://www.academia.edu/89471324/Herods_Judaea
	: No you didn't. All the groups you mention add up to about 15% of Muslims in the world, so their view is a minority view. Twelver Shia's usually list Jerusalem as the fourth holiest site, but I don't see this mentioned on Misplaced Pages (it should be). Inserting "some" into a sentence makes it useless for readers, it could mean the opinion is held by 3 people. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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	== Jerusalem ==
	You are failing to assume good faith and are gaming the system by failing to enforce a ] which i explained to you previously. Either way, i will try to gain a consensus.] (]) 10:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
			:{{Re|Supreme Deliciousness}} You can read the first one in the . Most Brill works are there. See email in 5 mins about the second one. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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	I'll be glade if you may review the following article and add your comments accordingly ] (]) 09:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
	*Here is some literature related to 1799 French invasion. A breif description of Gen. Damas encounter with the peasants is at pages 69. at pages 75 and 76, footnotes 1 and 6 there is a mention of nahar-el-ougeh, I believe this is the farthest the frensh were able to go closer to Majdal Yaba, and I believe the peasents who attacked the french and the mountains inhabited by the Naplousians mentioned here are those of Majdal Yaba, and it seams to me this is the reason why even the name of the village was not mentioned at this literature and it was name Megdeh at the map ] (]) 00:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
	* The same story appears here however the General's name here is Lannes who this time pursued a troop of mountaineers into passes of Naplouse it mentions the Turks firing from behind rocks and down precipices. From the narration, and the techniques used against the Franks, this supports my theory that the inhabitants on Majdel Yaba at that time were not villagers but trained Turkish soldiers page 175
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	Sorry, I completely forgot your queston about the Uzi Leibner-book:
			Think you meant Palestinian ] (]) 11:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
	No, no library in my country has it (search here ..to find all books available to me). My "local" library is *very* generous in buying new books, whenever I ask, for the most esoteric subjects. However, they have one absolute rule for buying from abroad: it *must* be through amazon.com. (This is a rule made "at the top-level", to make fraud impossible/difficult, apparently..) And, at the present, there are no copies available at amazon :( And I don´t feel like buying more books myself, from abebooks, before I have "mined" the ones I already have... I´ll keep it in mind, though! Cheers, and thanks for the tip!, ] (]) 22:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
	: It is available from Amazon in the UK . Does that help? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)		: Ooops, thinks, thanks. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
	::I have asked them; we´ll see how it works out, cheers, ] (]) 02:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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			Could you clarify why you consider the Jewish Virtual Library an unreliable source? I used it to provide context to Rabbi Shlomo Goren’s military service, and the information I referenced is sourced from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Please explain your reasoning for labeling it as unreliable. Best regards. ] (]) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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	Technically you are correct, i shall not argue whether "arab identity" and "arab ethnicity" are same or not.] (]) 13:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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			:See their entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources, the community has designated it as generally unreliable. ] (]) 15:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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			:{{Re|MeirKovner}} As Selfstudier wrote, JVL has been judged unreliable by consensus. However, if JVL cites information to some reliable source you can cite that source. But you have to examine the reliable source yourself; you can't just take JVL's word that the information is there. I have seen JVL cite some source but when I went to that source I found that the information wasn't there at all. It's things like this that make JVL unreliable. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
			==Hi. You reverted my edit on Protocols of the Elders of Zion==
	FYI : . ] (]) 07:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
			You said it doesn't mention communist monarchy. I read the text. I know it's likely a forgery and even if it wasn't, I support some of the things in the text. I woudn't mind a communist monarchy. But the text clearly supports it. It mentions a Jewish king and the support for ]. I personally support a ] for ]. Do you care to explain how my edits were incorrect? ] (]) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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			:{{Re|Nashhinton}} I have also read it, along with many commentaries. Most translations don't mention communism by name. But our opinions are irrelevant because in Misplaced Pages we report what reliable sources say about the topic and nothing else. The sourcing standard in this article is intentionally very strict because of the huge amount of crap written on the subject. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body of an article, so it is not the place to put new material. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
	Hmm, do you prefer the term ]? I'm sorry but this is an open encyclopedia and it's completely inappropriate for anyone to treat an article as their own personal property. You've reverted a good faith edit that I have made to the article ] without a comment in the talk page - which is custom. I consider this edit warring ]. Your explanation is nonsensical because Zionism is a movement not a time period - a movement to establish a jewish homeland ... where? I added a note to MW who apparently also "doesn't make sense" . I understand now why this article is tagged as biased.
			::Are there different versions of protocols of elders of zion? Like, do some versions add and make up stuff that wasn't in the original text? ] (]) 15:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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	: My objection is to the writing, not to the content. Zionism focussed its attention on the place (call it what you like) where Israel standards now, but they didn't focus it on "modern Israel". The latter is an entity that came into existence in 1948 and the earlier Zionists were not fortune tellers. Btw, you don't seem to know what edit-warring is. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)		:{{Re|Nashhinton}} There are multiple early Russian versions with large and small differences between them, and multiple translations (and translations of translations) with different degrees of fidelity. Some "translations" are not really translations at all but more like running commentaries. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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			One reason why the Shebaa Farms entry is such a mess is that the Lebanese military map from 1966, which was uploaded to[REDACTED] more than five years ago, was deleted entirely.
	Just wanted to say thanks for chiming in. I understand why I was blocked but as you noted there were some issues that may have been overlooked by the involved editors. I would like a review to possibly clear my block log, do you have any suggestions? Respectfully, ] (]) 01:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
			As you know, I put that map on the Golan Heights page. In return, not only was the map was deleted from the Golan entry, it was deleted from the Shebaa Farms entry and from Misplaced Pages itself.
	== Re: NPOV tag at Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations ==
			It was quickly deleted on the grounds that it was "redundant", after you argued to keep it.
	I would be interested in your comments regarding the talk page section - subsection ] (]) 10:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
			I have instituted a deletion review. But clearly I'm at a disadvantage here by not knowing all the ins and outs of complex[REDACTED] protocols.
	:Thanks. Have a safe trip and comment if you find the time when you get home. ] (]) 11:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
			You seem to want to tell the documented truth, rather than allow hand-waving falsehoods such as that "Syria accepts that the territory is Lebanese" when you know the history is far more complex than that. (Both Lebanon and Syria said the territory was Syria for decades and even today, Assad will not say it is Lebanese territory. That map is critical to showing that the entry on Shebaa Farms implying Syria always accepted it as Lebanese territory is simply not accurate)
	::P.S. I was googling for a cite to the old John Quigley article regarding the martial law measures Israel had adopted, and mistakenly found a source which mentioned martial law and a different Quigley pages 49-50. The journal name simply didn't register. I've gotten the citation corrected now, thanks for the heads-up. I think your earlier comment about NPOV was correct. The article might also be tagged either <nowiki>{{overcoverage|region=Israel|part=Article}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{Systemic bias|bias=Israeli POV}}</nowiki> ] (]) 08:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
			Could you please find the deletion review -- which I have not yet found even though I instituted it -- or begin one of your own to get that map back?
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			Otherwise all I know how to do is send this entire thing to arbitration, because people are using wikiprocedures to bury me.] (]) 21:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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	I am finding {{File:JerusalemSouth1943.jpg}} that you uploaded very useful; thanks.
	Do you access to similar UK made maps to the East or North of Jerusalem? If not, can you tell me how else I might find them? <sup>'''] ]</sup> 20:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
	: It is a photograph of a paper map. I have a access to several full sets but in a library across town. If you have requests regarding specific places, let me know and I'll add them to my next trip. I can't promise it will be soon, though. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)		:{{Re|GreekParadise}} I see that you rediscovered the deletion review at ]. A quick way would have been to check your own contribs. I'll look at it. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
			::I did rediscover it. Thank you.] (]) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::And thank you for your contribution on the map deletion review page. I really do appreciate it. I do recognize you are acting in good faith, even if we disagree on the proper use of some of the sources. I just want to accurately reflect them.
			:::The UN found the territory to be Lebanese for a good reason, and both Lebanon and Syria have had conflicting positions over the years. I want those positions to be reflected in the article in all their confusing complexity rather than a blanket statement one way or the other which would be simple but inaccurate. And if you can ever find a clear single public statement by the Syrian government actually saying it's Lebanese territory, I would readjust my view on this. Have you ever found one?
			:::<nowiki>To me, the lack of a Syrian public statement is telling, as is the Syrian refusal of the repeated UN requests to demarcate the boundaries. A Syrian official privately told the UN one thing in 2000 while Assad privately said the opposite in 2011. To me, the implication is that Syrian doesn't want to have a public position (that they want to keep the land as Syrian but while Israel occupies it, they can suggest in private but not say in public it's Lebanese territory). Obviously we can't say that. We can only state their position before 2000 that it was Syrian and then state the private indicators and private counter-indicators of their contradictory positions thereafter. It's fine to state the UN said a Syrian official said this and a diplomat said Assad said that while we should also note there does not appear to be a clear Syrian position publicly stated by the Syrian government.~~~</nowiki> ] (]) 17:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::There was a recent discussion and subsequent editing about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)/Archive_1#Israel's_alleged_occupation_of_Lebanon ] (]) 17:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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	The maps of East, North, and Northeast of Jerusalem in 1943 would be great; thanks again. It is the elevation ]s that I am most interested in. I will just watch your talk page until you get around to it. <sup>'''] ]</sup> 06:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
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	: OK. Meanwhile, you will probably like . ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks, this is great. <sup>'''] ]</sup> 03:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
	::I think I am all good with what I have. You can skip getting more from across town. thanks again. <sup>'''] ]</sup> 10:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
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	::Thanks, all the databases I have access to dont have the full text for the last year. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 03:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)</font></small>
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	Dear Zero, I am hoping to add some more to this article. e.g. public discontent to the ration system and conscription. But having done quite a bit of work here I am not confident working under the POV banner. Can you suggest which areas need work to get it removed? Also I have to say that your feet are in better shape than mine. Long may they stay that way. Regards. ] (]) 21:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
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	In the "Marking Religious and Ethnic Boundaries: Cases from the Ancient Golan Heights" there is an image on p 526 from the village of Al AL (EL Al), do you know if I'm allowed to copy it and upload it to Misplaced Pages or wikimedia? --] (]) 16:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
	:Does the journal have credits? Take a look. Upload it if it meets the conditions of ]. ] (]) 23:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
	:I'm sure it is not ok without permission. You can try asking the author . ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
			Re: , I'm working on the page ], and I would like to ask if you have any reccommendations of ] for this history? ] (]) 17:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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	== Franco-British Boundary Agreement 1920 ==
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	Hello, since you started the Franco-British Boundary Agreement 1920 article you probably know a lot about this subject.
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	I might be wrong about this but I vaguely remember reading something last year about that the triangle in northern Golan became part of the french mandate in exchange for that the British mandate got the entire Sea of Galilee. I read this in "The boundaries of modern Palestine, 1840-1947" p130, 145, 150 or around those pages, these pages are now unviewable for me. Do you have access to this book?
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	Do you know the details of the 1920 Franco-British Boundary Agreement and details about what happened in the temporary border changes and why they changed? --] (]) 18:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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	:Hey Zero, you said on the GH talkpage that you were away from home but you had sources about that the zionist movement pressured the mandate negotiators for land, water, sea of Galilee, for the triangle. When do you think you will be able to bring sources supporting this?
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	:: Garfinkle, Adam(1998) 'History and Peace: Revisiting two Zionist myths', Israel Affairs, 5: 1, 126 — 148. I need a day or two. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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	If the British ceded anything to the French in December of 1920 it was territory that had been allocated to the Arab State in the Sykes-Picot agreement and at Versailles. The first formal attempt to establish interim boundaries was an ''"Aide-memoire in regard to the occupation of Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia pending the decision in regard to Mandates, 13 September 1919"'' It divided the territory between the British, French, and Arab administered OETAs. It was premised upon the "principles of the Sykes-Picot agreement"; "the Sykes-Picot line"; and mentions "the Arab State" that the British and French governments had committed to support in Zones A and B under the terms of Sykes-Picot. The memo is available in the FRUS, but J. C. Hurewitz has it with the editor's notes from the Documents on British Foreign Policy series All of the plans involving OETA North, South, and East had to be changed after August of 1920, when the French overthrew Faisal's Syrian Kingdom. FYI, the staff at the UK National Archives have always advised me that no official maps delineating the boundaries between the three OETA's were ever produced.
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	Balfour dispatched his infamous memo from the Paris Peace Conference in the same month as the Aide-memoire in regard to the occupation. It was included in the Documents on British Foreign Policy series, and is the one in which he said "in Palestine we do not propose to even go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country, & etc." I suspect most authors have never read it in its entirety. Balfour recommended that Palestine be "extended" to both sides of Jordan, but not however, to include the Hedjaz Railway. That recommendation suggests that in the minds of the British government officials, who were in the position to decide, "Palestine" was a territory laying entirely to the west of the Jordan river. Balfour also said that Hussein was supposed to delineate the borders under the terms of the 1915 agreement.
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	I've never seen a copy of the April 1920 draft Palestine mandate. The FRUS quotes a relevant portion of the San Remo resolution which mentions it, and provides the National Archives and Records Administration document number for the San Remo process verbal. The text of the Mandate may be included in those holdings. The text of the draft, as of August 1920, with references to the Treaty of Sevres; British "sovereignty"; and no mention of the territory east of the Jordan river is contained in the 1920 Yearbook of the League of nations, Volume 1
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	Most of the British Cabinet Papers from 1915-1979 that are of any historical interest have been digitized. They are available for free from the UK National Archives website as ocr'd pdfs. The overwhelming majority are only available through a shopping cart system and have no static links. That means the server they are located on is not indexed by any of the main search engines, so you are stuck with the one supplied by the Archives website. Here are some I've collected that are must reads:
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	*The Settlement of Turkey and the Arabian Peninsula, Political Intelligence Department, Foreign Office, 21 November 1918, CAB 24/72 (formerly GT 6506).
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	*Palestine, James H Thomas, 19 February 1924, CAB 24/165 (CP 121 (24) * mentions on-going treaty negotiations with Hussein re: "Mandated States of Iraq, Palestine and Trans-Jordan." ] (]) 12:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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	* "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"
	The debate that you initiated around this sentence is very exciting even it is not in the scope of[REDACTED] (100% wp:ti).
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	I don't agree with your theory that he would have spoken of the massacres of Palestinian by Jews. On the days before the invasion, the reports indicate that the Arab leaders, particularly the Egyptians, were very excited and sure of their victory.
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	Another interesting point of comparison is the "official Arab League" communique for the "invasion" of Palestine :
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	I think he never said that, and that Stone is the original source of the affirmation. He had enough reknown to be quoted by Schetchman later and all the zionist historiography whereas the others didn't mind...
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	:Hi Zero0000. Azzam Pacha has certainly stated that Arab League had to intervene in Palestine to prevent the massacres of Palestinians Arabs by Jews. I fully agree.
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	:I agree too that he may have compared zionist jews to "crusaders" and, but that would be more strange to Mongols.
	:The most probable is I think that Stone just lied. Did he just speak Arab ? ] (]) 12:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
	I found several sources stating that the reference is Ahkbar Al-Yom, October 11, 1947 ... and one of them adds : "as quoted in Jewish Agency for Palestine, Memorandum 1948" . ] (]) 19:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC) And in fact to be precise : Jewish Agency for Palestine 1948, Memorandum on Acts of Arab Aggression to alter by force the settlement of the future government of Palestine approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations, submitted to the United Nations Palestine Commission by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, Lake Success, New York: Jewish Agency <u>dated march 1948</u> ] (]) 19:14, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
	:Hi,
	:That is wonderful that you found 2 references of this document in *UNO archives* ! We move forward.
	:In his book of 1953, ''State in the making'', p.233, ] (edit: this one is not the "wikipedian" one), Jewish Agency representative (again...) reports a meeting with Azzam Pasha dating September 16 where Azzam would already have made a reference to the Crusaders (again) but here in a more logical way.
	:On the web, this reference is reported on the Jewish Virtual Library : .
	:] (]) 10:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)... I don't have access to the full text BUT ] (]) 10:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
	:: The JVL version seems to match the small scraps I can read at books.google.com (note there are multiple editions). Meanwhile, perhaps you can find a library near you with a microfilm archive of akhbar el-yom. I am trying.. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:42, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
	Hi Zero0000. Great job. Would you mind e-mailing me the scan ? Many thanks. ] (]) 18:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
	: Sure, but I don't have it yet. It is coming by international snail. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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	I replied on the talk page. Actually it doesn't seem suspicious to me in any way. If I ever have time, I'll look for a person who has lived in Yamit or traveled there and ask if the setting looks familiar, because I believe that's the only real indication. Cheers, ] <sup>(])</sup> 18:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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	Would you happen to have access to full versions of ? I'm interested in seeing the full length version of the article on pages 104, 107 and 108. I believe it begins on page 61 and is titled ''Arab Israelis: Demography, Dependency, and Distinctiveness'', though I could be wrong. Help possible? ]<sup>]</sup> 11:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	: My library has it on paper, but I'm about 10,000km from home until the end of next week. I can send you a scan after that. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	::It can wait. Thanks and enjoy your travels. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::Feel free to remind me. Meanwhile I sent you something else I just found. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	::::Thank you ... that will make for some fascinating reading and could perhaps be useful to improving our articles on the subject. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Finally managed to see what you last sent (my email is wonky these days ... can't send anything from there and it takes hours to load old pages ... I'm sure I've missed some important mails altogether). Thanks for sending it. Can't understand why it was paraphrased the way it was (or I can, but its better left unsaid). I was wondering if I could trouble you to send a few pages of the article I asked for above. Just one or two before the excerpt in question (if you think it would suffice to give it context, or perhaps the one or two pages after it? use your judgement, which has repeatedly shown to be superb). Fully agree with what you said at the Lydda page too by the way ... and would add that I tried to broach the subject earlier, which no success (see and check out the linked article). ]<sup>]</sup> 16:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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	I just wanted to mention since you said you had copies of the two pamphlets he anonymously authored. I have these too. They show that Walid Khalidi was wrong in his article on (at least) two points: 1)The publisher of the articles, and 2) saying Schechtman's pamphlet was responsible for the "elaborate story" of the broadcasts. The only mention of broadcasts by Schechtman in those pamphlets is the one that was said by the "oft-cited" article in the Spectator to have occurred in Haifa. He mentions it as evidence of pressure exerted by the Arab side to evacuate, not as evidence of broadcasts of same. How much pressure was exerted by Arabs is a matter of debate, but the "broadcasts" issue is hyped bigtime by Khalidi and others, imo, and acts as a strawman to deflect from the real issue of responsiblity. Just saying. ] (]) 06:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

NML Allenby barracks area

Re this article would you consider this study as a reliable source? Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

(page-stalker) Walid Khalidi is definitely RS, Huldra (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: A serious piece of research published in an academic journal. Even if it is attributed, it should be cited as the result of a research project and not just as a claim. Zero 05:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Could I impose on you for a pic like the one at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-embassy-land/u-s-jerusalem-embassy-lies-at-the-end-of-the-world-idUSKCN1IF1RE? Selfstudier (talk) 12:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: I'm a bit confused by the timeline because aerial photos show construction starting around 2007. I've got a fiendishly busy week but I'll get to this eventually. Zero 12:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Np, take your time. I'm still researching it. Selfstudier (talk) 12:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

We can also use the new map at City Line (Jerusalem) where they have atm

Selfstudier (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

New templates?

Are we supposed to use these new awareness templates as of now? Per Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics#Awareness of contentious topics. Selfstudier (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: Confusing. It seems that the first alert given to an ARBPIA editor should now be {{subst:alert/first|a-i}} instead of {{subst:alert|a-i}}. It is better I think because it mentions the 30/500 restriction and 1RR instead of expecting the editor to read the ARBPIA page. If I understand footnote "n" at WP:Contentious topics, it is not necessary to give the new alert to people who previously received the old alert. Zero 00:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

That seems clear enough. And {{Contentious topics/page restriction editnotice|topic=a-i}} for the edit notice? Adding section = yes if it is just partial. I didn't see a new talk page template, just use existing? Selfstudier (talk) 10:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: There is {{Contentious topics/talk notice|topic=a-i}}. Zero 11:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah, missed that. K, got it now :) Selfstudier (talk) 11:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

The old templates are autoupdating, looks of it. Selfstudier (talk) 16:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Southern Levant

Great job on the image, but I saw now that the two images below it have the same inaccuracy, could you fix them? Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

The "Black Death theory" belongs to User:Skylax30, it doesn't exist in the referenced text

The "Black Death" is not mentioned in any part of the text, which I completely read. You can see it for yourself: https://brill.com/view/journals/jesh/65/4/article-p497_1.xml Mercresis (talk) 12:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mercresis: It is in footnote 19 with additional references. Quotation: "Recent studies see a direct connection between the fast Ottoman military advance and the consequences of the Black Death from the mid-fourteenth century onwards. They emphasize that Byzantine territories, where the initial Ottoman conquests were carried out, were exhausted (both demographically and militarily) due to the plague outbreaks, which facilitated the Ottoman expansion." It is almost the same as our article had. Please put it back. Zero 13:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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Reverting edit without reason

If you revert an edit, can you give a reason? Eg hulks edit on jerusalem talmud

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riskit 4 a biskit (talk • contribs)

@Riskit 4 a biskit: This talmud is frequently called the Palestinian Talmud in scholarly writing. (Search for "Palestinian Talmud" with quotes at scholar.google.com .) So it is reasonable for the article to say why it is called that. Zero 23:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

On reflection

I am going to copy Lebanon, South Africa and Brittany off to the talk page. Probably the Channel Islands too. All of them have the problem you mentioned about Palestine, ie possibly some wannabes, but I don't really see sourced *collaboration* yet, although I think it is there to be found . But it will be petty, so whereas when I first came to the article the weight seemed undue towards eastern Europe, very light on North Africa, it now seems to have gone somewhat too far in the other direction. And Japan, I am not even sure what to say. Too steep a learning curve, which is what I thought of Irgun.

I am going to do one more pass to try to reference what is there in Europe -- I have already done several passes on all three continents -- then start from the other end, looking for highly-cited work that may not be included. Does that sound like a good plan? It's impolite of course to ask people what exactly their level of expertise and areas of knowledge are, but in this very fraught instance I'm just going to say that you seem to have some topic knowledge, probably broader and deeper than mine, and definitely much much more so in the middle east. So I humbly ask that to the extent you can, please do continue to review what we're doing and let us know if we're citing discredited authors or anything else that would be embarrassing. I have no particular agenda to prove anything in the area, except that I know more about Vichy France than the rest of it due to my educational history. But I am not a historian.

I feel like I am treading on dangerous ground, but the article does desperately need improvement, and I have done big messy cleanups before. So...I will not ping you more than I have to, but I'm about to write some more questions on the talk page and should you feel so moved, your attention there would be welcome. Oh, and if you are interested, there is a question at RSN about the Blue Police, but it's had a couple of answers, so as I sometimes say, don't spend more time on this than you want to. Thanks Elinruby (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened

Hello Zero0000,

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence. Please add your evidence by April 04, 2023, which is when the first evidence phase closes. Submitted evidence will be summarized by Arbitrators and Clerks at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence/Summary. Owing to the summary style, editors are encouraged to submit evidence in small chunks sooner rather than more complete evidence later.

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Wrong syntax

In this, I think you want to use {{u}}. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Quite so, tx. Zero 04:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Polish guards at Belzec

I agree with your statement on ArbCom. Also it's worth noting what USHMM is actually saying former Soviet prisoners of war (POWs) of various nationalities or Ukrainian and Polish civilians, it doesn't determine their ethnicity, only the fact that before 1939 they were citizens of Poland, so most likely west Ukrainians. Ukrainian civilians refer probably to the Ukrainian SSR citizens in its pre-1939 borders Marcelus (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Another thank you: This time massacre at Kolo

Thank you for your ArbCom explanation about my edit (a very long time ago). It felt odd to be named in the first place, and it's very pleasant that you straightened things out. To the point, I'd like to draw your attention to my comment on the same page:

@Horse Eye's Back: Thanks for the mention of my counter-disruptive efforts three years ago. Such work is rarely acknowledged and so I appreciate it. For the same reason that you swam away from that one issue then, I am almost totally retired from Misplaced Pages now. But let me be clear, this is definitely not simply a case of zealous 'nationalists' versus the noble souls who crusade against them. The zealous 'crusaders' are sometimes so convinced of their own virtue that they assume bad faith in content when there is no such thing, and go ahead and disrupt the topic area based on their own projections of malice. A notorious case was Icewhiz, another case was Varsovian, both AFAIR indefinitely blocked or permanently banned from the topic area. At times, IMHO SlimVirgin was one of those problematic crusaders too. Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines already got it right long ago, that it takes two to tango. Many trolls have their opposite number, with which they exchange bait. Personal psychology becomes relevant because that dynamic becomes an addiction to conflict, with the impossible objective of winning. Btw I entirely concur with you about Piotrus and hereby vouch for him too. -Chumchum7 (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Please keep up the good work. Many thanks, -Chumchum7 (talk) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Kolo

I've been reading quite a bit lately about the police system in occupied Poland, so I have some knowledge on the subject. There were two formations in the German formations called the Gendarmerie: Gendarmerie des Reiches (essentially uniformed police serving in villages and small towns, part of the Orpo) and the Feldgendarmerie, which was essentially Military Police within the Wehrmacht. So the gendarmes may have been part of the Wehrmacht.

The second issue is the participation of Poles. Poles were generally not allowed to serve in the German police or the Wehrmacht. Volksdeutsche could not do so either. Volksdeutsche could serve in the Sonderdienst (created, however, only in May 1940) or in the Hilfspolizei; only after good service did they receive Reichsdeutsche status and the right to serve in the regular police force. Ethnic Poles had this path closed. The conscription of Volksdeutsche to the Wehrmacht began on a massive scale only in 1942, before that it was sporadic.

It is very possible that those in reference ("were all born in Poland") were Polish Germans who left Poland for Germany before 1939 and returned with the army (this was quite common) or members of the Volksdeutscher Selbstschutz, an organization composed of Germans living in Poland responsible for horrific crimes. It is also possible that by "gendarme" this witness meant any uniformed German who was not a Wehrmacht soldier (and the Gendarmerie des Reiches was the formation that Poles encountered most often). (pinging @Ealdgyth, because I comment on it on her talk page before making more reading) Marcelus (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus and Chumchum7: Thanks. I'm having trouble confirming the information at Yahadmap from any other source. The best I have found from that early period is mention of murder but not mention of a large scale massacre. Can either of you read Yiddish? There's a memorial volume called Sefer Kolo that might have something but the only version I can find online is the original Yiddish version or here. There is also a Hebrew edition I can't find and a very partial English edition that doesn't include the Holocaust years. I think that the text should be retired from the article if no confirmation can be found. Zero 13:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

"Do końca 1939 r. Niemcy rozstrzelali ok. 300 Żydów." -> "By the end of 1939 the Germans executed about 300 Jews." (RS: ) Marcelus (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus: Good find! That page looks more reliable than the Yahadmap one, so maybe it should be used instead? Incidentally, though I have done bulk reading on Holocaust history I have no intention of editing there; my main interest Israel-Palestine gives me more than enough trouble. Zero 13:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

And a speedy find. Which begs an important question: what does it say about perception and attitude that an editor took a single uncontroversial edit from years ago and dragged it into ArbCom, instead of (1) fixing it, (2) reverting with explanation or (3) taking it to the talk page? For me, it illustrates our common problem of presumptuous crusading as over-reaction to falsely-perceived trolling. The nationalists and crusaders take each others' bait. Hence my near-retirement. -Chumchum7 (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, most of the evidences pointed out by @Ealdgyth are of this type, as I already wrote her about in a discussion a few days ago (link); unfortunately, it seems to me this is partly due to ignorance of the subject. That is, I had not heard of the massacre in Koło before, but knowing where this city lies and what happened in the region in 1939, it immediately seemed to me that it is as plausible that such an event took place. Marcelus (talk) 18:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Model discussion of the source

Thank you for saying that, because that is what I was trying for. However, the link did not go where I expected. This is likely my fault, as I recognize the link as something I had in my sandbox. Let me get you the correct link. Assuming I understand your point. .Elinruby (talk) 08:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Elinruby: That doesn't work for me, maybe because it's a mobile link and I'm on desktop. How about this link? I'm finding the process confusing, and for some comments I can't tell if they are intended as criticism or praise. Zero 08:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

maybe. We're talking about the RSN thread on the Blue Police and the question of whether the source supported the "death" statement, right? it's in archive 398 and the title of the thread is "The Blue Police in Poland" Elinruby (talk) 08:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Elinruby: Right, that's exactly where I go when I click on the wikilink I just gave. Zero 08:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

ok, well at least we're talking about the same thing.

For now, I guess disregard my comment about the link, and I'll come back and tell you where I go if it's still doing it after I reboot. Or open an OTRS or something.

So back to the main point: thank you for saying that, because that was my point. The main one, anyway. This is what I was trying to send when I had an edit conflict: I for one am pretty traumatized by the war in Ukraine articles. Do not want to go through a 17th or 18th iteration of that, especially if I can't talk about it and have to AGF all over again. If you're asking about *my* last post, the answer is both. I am trying to be fair while retaining all the shades of grey.

(The next day) the link you give above with the displaytext "this link" is correct, and goes to the correct section of archive 398.

The one in your question to me at ArbCom goes to the top of archive 375, as verified by the url. I don't mean to bludgeon you about this, but if you think that the RSN thread about the Blue Police is a model discussion of content, then I am very gratified as its author and would like to see this (IMHO) very important point given the proper weight by arbitrators, which is more likely if the link goes to the discussion you are describing. Thanks for your attention to this Elinruby (talk) 05:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Elinruby: Thanks, now I get it. I don't know how that happened. I fixed it now, do you agree? Zero 05:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes. You fixed it now.

As for the buffer error, presumably at some point you looked at that archive, shrug, and were thinking of saying something to somebody about something in it. Common issue based on call center experience. Real answer depends on whether you were using a mouse, but I don't think you are asking for that much detail, are you? Elinruby (talk) 05:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Evidence submission at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland

I have recently blanked the portion of your evidence submission that was not moved to analysis. Having read it a couple of times it seems far more like analysis than evidence, including the fact that it was directed towards other editors rather than arbitrators. You would be welcome to post any/all of the content that was there at an existing analysis section (or if no section has been created, new). Please let me know if you have any questions about this or what we're looking for in evidence/analysis. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I've noticed

User talk:Zero0000/GK. Interesting analysis. It may be worth pointing out my edit is all the way back from 2009... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

<page stalker>, yeah, and given that you have 260k+ edits on en.wp, they would have least had to have gone through 200000 of your edits in order to find that -one- edit. My oh my, I must confess I'm in absolute awe over their industriousness! Huldra (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Huldra Could also be zeal on the part of a certain helper. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Piotrus, thanks, I know (having also been the subject of his unwanted attention), cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Missing Guerin

Regarding

• Guérin, V. (1875). Description Géographique Historique et Archéologique de la Palestine (in French). Vol. 2: Samarie, pt. 2. Paris: L'Imprimerie Nationale.

It is missing 2 pages after p. 127, that is pp 128-129.

Those two pages are about Deir Qal’a and Rafat, Salfit; you wouldn't happen to have access to them? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

To editor Huldra: Download different copy from Google . Zero 08:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, that is great; thanks!

Also, I see a lot was uploaded to commons, not that particular version, though, Thanks again, Huldra (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Al-Shuhada Street

You protected this page, and the article, in June 2014 following oversight actions on both. Do you believe continued protection of the talk page is warranted? 67.180.143.89 (talk) 23:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I removed the protection from the talk page. The article remains semiprotected, but according to the ARBPIA rules autoconfirmed status is not enough to edit there anyway. Zero 01:35, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I see that you also protected Talk:Gilo in December 2019 after an oversight action. Can that be lifted? 67.180.143.89 (talk) 16:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Done. Zero 00:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Not related to the A-dramu, just some regular research I am quite happy with and I think you may enjoy reading at some point: User_talk:HaeB#Regular_sciency_business. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

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Article access?

Hey, do you have access to this full article? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-14/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/documents-confirm-israelis-poisoned-arab-wells-in-1948/00000183-d2b2-d8cc-afc7-fefed64d0000 Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: Yes, if you send me mail I will send it to you. Zero 01:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Sent you a mail, please also send this one: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-06-23/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-poisoned-palestinian-land-to-build-west-bank-settlement-in-1970s-documents-reveal/00000188-e8aa-df52-a79d-fcabdd200000 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding my inappropriate reply to you on Talk:There was no such thing as Palestinians

Hello,

I'm contacting you here for two reasons:

1. I want to directly and unreservedly apologise for for my inappropriate criticism of your motivations. You are completely right, and I'm grateful for your clear explanation of why that is the case.

2. As a non-extended-confirmed editor, I have just realised that I have violated policy by involving myself in discussion in the first place.

As far as I can tell, I have therefore violated two policies. As a relatively inexperienced editor, I'm not sure what to do next. Is there a formal procedure via which I can effectively report myself for policy violations? Foxmilder (talk) 01:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Foxmilder: Don't worry about the comments made in haste and thanks for the apology. Non-extended-confirmed editors were permitted to take part in talk page discussions until 9 days ago; now only edit requests are permitted. Cheers. Zero 03:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I did not know that, so thanks — again — for explaining.

Your patience and tolerance set a good example. Next time I'm tempted to say something stupid on a talk page, I will endeavour to keep these virtues in mind.

Cheers. Foxmilder (talk) 07:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Paul vs Saul from https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Persecution_of_Christians

Hey Zero0000 It seems you reverted my revision claiming that since Paul=small and Saul=asked for, that Paul did change his name This is somewhat irrelevant. It was common practice in that era for people to have two names, one which was their Hebrew given name and then another name that sounded more "greek". These were frequently very similar in phonetics, but not in meaning.

Saul never claimed to change his name, in fact he frequently used both names interchangeably. When the bible does reference the two names, they never claim a change of names. They claim that he uses both names. This is a fairly common bit of biblical mythology. I'll add a similar line to the talk page of Persecution of Christians https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/no-saul-the-persecutor-did-not-become-paul-the-apostle/ PuckSR (talk) 14:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@PuckSR: I don't have an opinion on the facts, but only noticed that your edit summary "Paul is just the Latinized version of Saul" is incorrect. The religious site you name doesn't come close to satisfying Misplaced Pages's requirements for a reliable source. However, the issue is peripheral to that particular article, so there is no need to resolve it there. Zero 22:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you were saying.

I meant "latinized" in the sense of an Anglicized name. As someone named Johoviak might anglicize their name to "John". I didnt mean to convey that it was a latin translation of the name. As for the source, I didn't think it needed to be a reliable source, as I wasn't making a positive assertions. Even the[REDACTED] entry to Paul https://en.wikipedia.org/Paul_the_Apostle#Names clarifies that this is a common misunderstanding that seems to have slipped into the Christian persecution text. PuckSR (talk) 20:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Page revert not appropriate

My comments on the talk page related to the article, not to the topic itself in general.

Furthermore, they cited key legal documents and provisions. Consideration of such documents and analysis were constructive criticism of the subject area I identified in the article, which were offered to improve the article.

Ultimately, we must be mindful that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia that must tell the truth and be as factual as possible, even when, (and especially when) the truth and facts may not be popular.

You and other editors should not revert unless the edits are disruptive. Disruptive comments should not include those that are well supported by relevant legal documentation and analysis.

Actions to revert a page should require a strong showing and effectuated only with due consideration and restraint.

The talk page drives and shapes discourse relating to the article, which may lead to edits to improve the article. These improvements redound to the benefit of the public and of democracy itself.

Where as here, reverting talk on the page I made in good faith and which pertained to key issues relating to the article, stultifies discourse. Such actions lead to legitimate claims of censorship, which violates Misplaced Pages's policy.

You also failed to notify me that you reverted the page. The best policy is, if you have a concern, to discuss it with me first before taking action. If we have a disagreement, we can mutually agree to seek the opinion of a neutral third party.

I think such an approach respects both the process and the persons involved. Biolitblue (talk) 03:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Biolitblue: I don't make the rules. WP:ARBECR is very clear on what non-ec editors like yourself are allowed to do, and your edit did not conform to those rules. If you want another opinion, ask a different administrator. There is a list here. Zero 04:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

The only requirement I can discern is that the editor's content on the Talk page must not be "disruptive."

I interpret disruptive as gas lighting, pushing an agenda, offering evidence which is irrelevant or off-topic, or arguments that are logically spurious or unsourced.

Does WP:ARBECR define "disruptive" differently? Biolitblue (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You are only allowed to make edit requests. Article critique is not an edit request. Zero 10:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I stated that "he legality section needs development and a higher location in the article." The only reasonable inference is that the documents and analysis furnished in the body of the talk was a proposed edit to further develop the legality section.

The legality section is paramount because it determines the respective rights and obligations of the respective parties not just in the Mandate, but over time. Where as here, summarily claiming that the legal aspects have been debated by scholars and then listing in footnotes sections of books where scholarly debate is purportedly found is insufficient. In fact, it comes across as subterfuge and a way to obviate the need for proper discussion.

As a policy of Misplaced Pages, Misplaced Pages has to be accessible to the average reader. A great majority of readers will not pick up these books at the library or purchase them, and the "scholarly" analysis might be too abstruse.

Without the editing requested, it is NOT Neutral: because it omits key aspects and documents pertaining to the legality of the Mandate. Along these same lines, it is not broad in its coverage and does not discuss all relevant aspects.

As it stands, with no disrespect intended to the author and other contributors, I disagree with this article's rating as a "good article." It is possible that if the legality section were more developed, the article could not only fulfill the requirements of a good article but could even become a feature article.

My proposed edits might be WP:NOR until others have had the opportunity to examine the documents, analysis, and conclusions. If the conclusions are rejected as WP:NOR upon review, then the sections and discrepancies in the documents could still be highlighted without violating the rule. Some other content dealing with the McMahon-Hussein correspondence does not violate the rule if I remove the conclusion and let the sources quotes speak for themselves. I have more quotes on the matter. Biolitblue (talk) 15:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Nableezy ban

Hi. Not sure I was very helpful there. I wish I can be of some help. On a different level: what would really constitute friendly help here? Anyone who is so personally involved in this huge tragedy should be helped to take a break from it - in real life. Wiki comes next. Apparently being glued to the screens can produce more PTSD and depression than facing some of the horrible things happening there in person. If we don't manage to help him out of the ban, it might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. But then again, a) he must know it, and b) his editing, the stress involved, and the additional time it keeps him stuck in this unending hell is probably the least of his stress factors right now. Try to help him on a different level if you can, maybe ask Nishidani to write to him as well. It's far too much for me too. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 23:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Arminden: It's not proper for me to advise you on how to handle this. Zero 06:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't asking for that. My focus was on Nableezy as a person rather than an editor. That is, if you have closer contact to him than I do. If not, I'm sorry I brought it up. Arminden (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes, the best thing that we can do for ourselves is to step-away from the issues that put us at variance with our fellow editors (even if it is only for a short period). Personally speaking, for me, it was good to step-away from the Arab-Israeli conflict - because of its inherent contentious nature. Nableezy has shown understanding to my own shortcomings in the ARBPIA area, and he has volunteered to act as a mentor for me, even though we share different political views. There is something to be admired about his ability to give to his disputant the benefit of the doubt.Davidbena (talk) 21:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment for Western Wall

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Shomron studies

Do you think a 1986 article in Shomron Studies is reliable for claiming the ethnic history of people across Palestine? nableezy - 17:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nableezy: It's a hard question because I don't have the article in question. The author Grossman was a well-known demographer. What concerns me is the precision of the reports; the fact that a family or two has a tradition of coming from another place does not mean that the tradition is true, and it doesn't entitle us to write that the village population came from that other place. But it is hard to argue this without the source. Zero 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I can find the source cited elsewhere but have had no luck in finding the actual source. nableezy - 05:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Grossman (2011), Rural Arab Demography and Early Jewish Settlement in Palestine: Distribution and Population Density During the Late Ottoman and Early Mandate Periods has stuff from the journal, idk if that could be used instead. Selfstudier (talk) 10:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I have that book and it could be useful for generalities, but it has little in the way of village by village details. I understand that the Hebrew edition was more expansive. Zero 12:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I asked at WP:RX#A_Hebrew_article. The chances are small. I'm willing to pay for this article but the only way I can find to get it is to start a subscription. Zero 02:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Rafida

Thank you very much :) Albertatiran (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Subject on recent edit of yours

On Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world I created a talk page topic about a edit you reverted related to Kurds and Nuremberg laws Bobisland (talk) 05:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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• An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

False Accusation of Sockuppetry

I'm writing on behalf of the IP Server who started to edit at "British currency in the Middle East" on 29th March this year. The editor suddenly found the IP server range blocked, while being accused of being a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. The editor at the IP server categorically denies being TheCurrencyGuy, doesn't know TheCurrencyGuy, and has never interacted with him. Meanwhile, a editor called JMF has been on the talk page at "British currency in the Middle East" stating that at least some of the recent edits were definitely done by TheCurrencyGuy. Well, so he says, but not one of the edits carried out by the blocked IP server since 29th March was done by TheCurrencyGuy, and it doesn't appear that anybody else edited during that period. It would be interesting to see what JMF's evidence is, but meanwhile he has reverted all the hard work and careful research that was carried out since 29th March. The article is now in an inferior state with many factual inaccuracies that had been corrected by the blocked IP server. 77.99.242.50 (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

JMF's advice to get an account is what I would advise too. And the best way to avoid text being removed for being unsourced is to add sources at the same time as the text. Zero 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

An account cannot be created until it is acknowledged that the blocked IP server is not a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Meanwhile, the editor using the blocked IP server categorically denies the accusation, and says that this is the only important issue at the moment. Can you please help to have the investigation re-visited. The blocked IP editor has checked the editing history of TheCurrencyGuy to see what the alleged similarities are, and has noted that TheCurrencyGuy began his editing days by correcting the format of a foreign currency on some article, and then over time did likewise with many other currency units, and his focus seemed to be on spelling and formatting. The blocked IP server would like to point out that this style has got nothing in common with matters relating to the history of currency in the Middle East. If you can get the IP server unblocked, then the editor will be able to discuss the matter with you directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.242.50 (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The IP server that was blocked at the same time as https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Jahor12345 is not connected. Both were editing simultaneously on different articles during the morning of 3rd April 2024. That was the session when you became involved on the talk page about the meaning of the word miri. The IP server began with detailed edits about the Egyptian pound, and then around noon, switched over to British currency in the Middle East. Meanwhile, editor Jahor12345 was editing across a wide range of currency topics, mainly reformatting. The editing styles are completely different. The IP server carried out edits at 1204hrs and 1206hrs, while Jahor12345 carried out an edit in the middle of that two minute period at 1205hrs. They couldn't possibly be the same person.81.134.217.27 (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

You are not convincing me, and anyway I do not have the authority to overrule the results of WP:SPI. I don't see the slightest reason why someone can't make an account if they want to edit. Zero 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Attribution

Please read WP:RSP on MondoWeiss: Mondoweiss is a news website operated by the Center for Economic Research and Social Change (CERSC), an advocacy organization. There is no consensus on the reliability of Mondoweiss. Editors consider the site biased or opinionated, and its statements should be attributed. It should either not be used at all — or used with great caution — for biographies of living people. We need to attribute in text when we use it. Removing attribution, as you've done in a number of articles, goes against the community consensus. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bobfrombrockley: It means that the authors of articles in MW should be attributed for their claims. It doesn't say "stuff in MW should be attributed to MW", it says that statements in MW "should be attributed", which always means that opinions or claims should be attributed to whoever is giving the opinion or making the claim (note the meaning of "attributed" in the link). The only time it implies that MW as a magazine should be attributed for something is when the article at hand is when MW itself is the author (e.g. an editorial). Also, if MW was to be attributed it would have to be like "according to MW", which is not what you have been writing — what you have been writing is not an attribution at all per WP jargon but rather a part of the citation placed in the text against usual practice. Zero 13:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I might take this to another forum as I had never understood it in this way so would welcome clarification. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ami Dror

Hi @Zero0000: Why did you put your comment half way up the discussion? scope_creep 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Your signature is very annoying. Zero 15:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you even listen to what you're saying?

To someone who was killed in a "brief massacre", its "briefness" would not be the slightest mitigating factor. My recommendation would be to avoid incongruous dimunitizing expressions such as "brief massacre", "slight temporary genocide", or "gentle rape" as arguments for your edits, whether to the Kfar Etzion massacre article or elsewhere on Misplaced Pages... AnonMoos (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: Wow, my very own stupid personal attack. It's my lucky day. Zero 23:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep on searching the thesaurus for oxymoronic adjective-noun combinations like "non-violent murder" and "tiny little extermination campaign" all you want, but you won't be improving Misplaced Pages by doing so. AnonMoos (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Two kisses on the same day are enough. Now kindly improve my user page by pissing off. Go on, shoo. Zero 01:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I replied on the Mandatory flag thread above (I also quickly got tired of that discussion in 2022, though there was more to say). AnonMoos (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Reverted Post

Hi. I see that you reverted my contribution to the page about antisemitism on Harvard’s campus after 2020. I'm aware of the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict. My intention was not to post on that conflict but to report on important antisemitic incidents happening on college campuses, which I understood was the point of this page. I get that these protests are influenced, in part, by the Arab-Israeli conflict, but is there a way to acknowledge the catalyst while avoiding violating the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Do you have any recommendations on how I can reword some of my content to un-revert it and restore it to the page? Thank you very much. HistoryBook123 (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@HistoryBook123: They aren't just "influenced" by the A-I conflict, they are part of it. Anyway the ARBPIA topic designation says "broadly interpreted" so there is really no doubt that the material is included. Your only option is to put an edit proposal on the talk page. I didn't make the rules and if I don't enforce them for sure someone else will. Your edit also contained opinion written in wikivoice so it wouldn't have lasted long even if you had the required credentials. Zero 04:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

False Accusation of Sockpuppetry

Regarding the blocked IP server that I used in April to make edits at British currency in the Middle East, I've opened up this special account in order to help resolve the situation. I can't edit again util the administrator who blocked my address revisits the original investigation. But even with this special account, I still can't seem to be able to edit on their talk page. I appreciate that you yourself don't have the authority to over rule that result, but I'd be grateful if you could contact Bbb23 on my behalf and ask them if they could take a look at the evidence again. I can assure you that I am definitely not TheCurrencyGuy. I've looked at his edits. His style and purpose was quite different from mine, and besides I did show you evidence last month that we were both editing at the exact same time on different articles. I'd be most grateful if you could help. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I've put the message like this, but I seem to have formatted it wrongly. Can you please help me to format it and I'll post it again,

{{To|Bbb23}}I'd be grateful if you could contact me here regarding a block on my IP server which you did on 12th April. Somebody alleged that I am a sockpuppet of an editor called TheCurrencyGuy. I am assuredly not however. The accusation involved another editor with a name something like Jahor12345 who was also blocked for being a sockpuppet of TheCurencyGuy. I have no idea whether they were or not, but I did find evidence that Jahor12345 was editing at exactly the same time as me on different articles. The only thing we seem to have in common is the fact that we were editing on currency related articles, but not with the same style or purpose. I look forward to hearing from you.~~~~

Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the blocking administrator is going to reply. Is there some kind of notice board that I can go to in order to highlight this issue? I think it's quite important. I was editing in good faith and suddenly blocked, just because I happened to be editing on currency related articles and because there is a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. But there is something very seriously wrong when those involved aren't open to discussing the evidence. The blocking administrator must know fine well that the IP servers don't match. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You can write at WP:AN/I but it's possible nobody will be interested, as are there are currently no sanctions against your account. You'll need to explain everything with diffs and not assume that anyone is aware of it. Zero 14:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll maybe do that. Although there are no sanctions against this account, it's still impossible for me to edit on the Middle East currency articles that I had been editing on with the IP server, because I would be immediately blocked again, based on the belief of Bbb23 that I am a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Until that belief has been officially debunked by, either Bbb23, or by some other administrator, I will have no future in the project. This began in March when I was studying the schism between the Egyptian piastre and the Turkish piastre in 1844. I had obtained books on the topic and I also referred to the relevant Misplaced Pages articles. These articles were quite useful, but it was clear that they contained many inaccuracies. I set about correcting the information in these articles and I thought I had got them into a much more accurate state. I was nearly finished, and about to make an edit relating to the Saudi Riyal when suddenly I found myself blocked, having been accused of abusively indulging in sockpuppetry. And soon after that, another editor wiped out every single bit of work that I had done, expressly stating that the reason wasn't based on the content on the edits, but on the grounds that he believed me to be a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. It's turned me pretty sour about the project, but I'm still holding out hope that there must surely be some administrator who can check out that my IP server was different from TheCurrencyGuy's, and that likely we are in totally different geographical locations, and that the entire focus of our edits is quite different, and that at one point we were editing on different articles at exactly the same time. There is something seriously wrong with the system if this cannot be ascertained, and that people simply get blocked because they edit on an article that is of interest to another editor who has been blocked.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 18:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Misandry noticeboard discussion

Hey Zero, please give me your input on the Misandry discussion. I just can't keep arguing with these people anymore. It feels like we need a way bigger team of admins involved. Someone just told me "admins don't have any special authority in content disputes." ImmersiveOne (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

request to Strike your Comment in the infada talk page.

can you please strike booth the non ECR comment as well as your response in the Talk page? when you leave it this way it seams like you care more about "winning"[REDACTED] and getting your pov heard then to actually Resolve the content dispute

thank in advance. 79.180.47.77 (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Certainly not. First, it is only permitted to remove edit summaries under very limited circumstances and this is not one of them. Second, as you well know, you are limited to edit requests and your other comments are not permitted. I didn't make the rules, but I am allowed to enforce them. So, whatever "dispute" is happening there, you are not a party to it. You can always make yourself an account and work up to EC if you want to participate. Zero 22:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help with navigating the stages to appeal the block. I think the matter has now been resolved. It seems that TheCurrencyGuy is geographically close to me and that contributed towards the suspicion. I may or may not return to editing, but if I do, I will either use the IP server again or create another account with a more suitable username. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Telegraph and trans issues. Thank you. I am informing you because you have commented on a prior RfC on a similar issue. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 02:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This is what it was all about

Since you helped me to get the project back on track again, see my user page to understand what it was all about https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Specialrequestaccount Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Peel secret testimony

There are some transcripts in Law and the Arab-Israeli Conflict The Trials of Palestine Steven E. von Zipperstein if you haven't seen those. Selfstudier (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I just got that book yesterday but hadn't looked at it yet. Zero 03:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Shebaa

Is https://unifil.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/unifilpresskit.pdf (the section Shab'a Farms on p.6) in accord with your understanding of the current position? Anyway it does say "With the UN having placed the Shebaa Farms area south of the Blue Line at the time the line was established, Israel considers them part of the Golan, rather than Lebanon. Hence, it would only negotiate with Syria, and address the issue in Syrian-Israeli peace talks on the Golan." Salud. Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: Yes, that's my understanding. Is it contrary to what I wrote in the article? Zero 11:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

No, not at all, was just checking that it was still current, apart from that, I saw you said you wanted a later source for the Israeli position, will it do? Selfstudier (talk) 11:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: Right, good point. I'll add it. Zero 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Elizabeth Loftus Page

Hi Zero, just wanted to chat about this page. By way of intro, I'm a clinical psychologist with 30 years experience. I would respectfully suggest that to not include this account, reported in great detail by The New Yorker from interviewing Loftus, would leave this page incomplete and lacking encyclopaedic credibility. For those of us in the profession this revelation changed everything about Loftus's position. It was quite incredible that she herself gave one of the best examples of not remembering and then recalling a traumatic memory.

Her word for word quote “the memory flew out at me, out of the blackness of the past, hitting me full force” is a clear and classic account of recovering a repressed memory - you don't get better . All a repressed traumatic memory is is a memory that was not remembered for a period of time and then it is when it is triggered - it's not a complex psychological concept. I'm happy to work with you on wording you're comfortable with as a full account is more important than the wording. I did try to rely on attributed quotes rather than use my own words. You might like to discuss with a friendly psychologist. Cheers Penny Pennylewis (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pennylewis: You need to read the whole source. "But Loftus never forgot what happened. She had shared the memory with Geoff shortly after they married. “It wasn’t ‘Oh, my God, I was abused,’” he said. “It was more like ‘What’s more, I myself was abused.’" It is not for us to interpret the source according to what we would like it to mean. The source does not say that she had repressed the incident from her childhood until it suddenly came out in a courtroom, so we aren't allowed to say that either per WP:NOR. Nobody except Loftus herself can say that, and per WP:NOR it doesn't make a difference what your expertise is, sorry. Yes, I know that people who dispute Loftus' views would just love it if she proved herself wrong, but that's something to argue in professional venues, not here. Zero 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I have to admit, with some chagrin, that I did not see that para of her not forgetting it. A colleague sent me the part that I shared and I guess I assumed that there was little point to highlighting it if she had remembered it all along! Sucked in by the journalistic sensationalism. Should have read the entire article in detail. I am embarrassed and am grateful that you very graciously dealt with my error here. With due respect to you. Pennylewis (talk) 07:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Help with Harvnb refs

Hey, do you know how to fix this problem?: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Help_with_Harvnb_refs Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: I have just now fixed it for you.Davidbena (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Arbitration notice

You are involved in a recently filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Referral from the Artibration Enforcement noticeboard regarding behavior in Palestine-Israel articles and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide may be of use.

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Revert at A land without a people for a people without a land

Moved to Talk:A land without a people for a people without a land
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
What was that revert all about? Are you saying that the phrase was in use throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, for a total of 200 years? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 13:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC) @The Mountain of Eden: Your version says "late 19th and early 20th centuries". The paragraph immediately following gives an 1843 example, which is not late 19th century, so "late 19th" is wrong. Even earlier examples are known (I should add them). As to when it stopped being used, that isn't specified. I know of examples from the 1980s and 1990s, which admittedly are not in the article yet. I'm open to another wording, but you are mistaken in thinking that "during" means "throughout". It doesn't. Incidentally, exchanges like this should go on the article talk page so they aren't lost. Zero 13:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Source

Hey, do you have access to this source? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/yearbook-of-international-humanitarian-law/article/abs/changing-the-landscape-israels-gross-violations-of-international-law-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/149F5F3EBF6612F469AFB4ABBF2C2820#access-block Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: Yes. I can give it to you if you send me mail. Zero 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You have mail. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

One more? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537689 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, do you have access to these two?

https://brill.com/display/title/172

https://www.academia.edu/89471324/Herods_Judaea

--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: You can read the first one in the Misplaced Pages library. Most Brill works are there. See email in 5 mins about the second one. Zero 06:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Following a motion, remedies 5.1 and 5.2 of World War II and the history of Jews in Poland (the topic and interaction bans on My very best wishes, respectively) were repealed.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Palestinian

Think you meant Palestinian here? Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Ooops, thinks, thanks. Zero 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

JVL is not a reliable source?

Could you clarify why you consider the Jewish Virtual Library an unreliable source? I used it to provide context to Rabbi Shlomo Goren’s military service, and the information I referenced is sourced from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Please explain your reasoning for labeling it as unreliable. Best regards. MeirKovner (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

See their entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources, the community has designated it as generally unreliable. Selfstudier (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@MeirKovner: As Selfstudier wrote, JVL has been judged unreliable by consensus. However, if JVL cites information to some reliable source you can cite that source. But you have to examine the reliable source yourself; you can't just take JVL's word that the information is there. I have seen JVL cite some source but when I went to that source I found that the information wasn't there at all. It's things like this that make JVL unreliable. Zero 22:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi. You reverted my edit on Protocols of the Elders of Zion

You said it doesn't mention communist monarchy. I read the text. I know it's likely a forgery and even if it wasn't, I support some of the things in the text. I woudn't mind a communist monarchy. But the text clearly supports it. It mentions a Jewish king and the support for communism. I personally support a world government for world peace. Do you care to explain how my edits were incorrect? Nashhinton (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nashhinton: I have also read it, along with many commentaries. Most translations don't mention communism by name. But our opinions are irrelevant because in Misplaced Pages we report what reliable sources say about the topic and nothing else. The sourcing standard in this article is intentionally very strict because of the huge amount of crap written on the subject. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body of an article, so it is not the place to put new material. Zero 15:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Are there different versions of protocols of elders of zion? Like, do some versions add and make up stuff that wasn't in the original text? Nashhinton (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nashhinton: There are multiple early Russian versions with large and small differences between them, and multiple translations (and translations of translations) with different degrees of fidelity. Some "translations" are not really translations at all but more like running commentaries. Zero 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Return Lebanese Military Map

One reason why the Shebaa Farms entry is such a mess is that the Lebanese military map from 1966, which was uploaded to[REDACTED] more than five years ago, was deleted entirely.

As you know, I put that map on the Golan Heights page. In return, not only was the map was deleted from the Golan entry, it was deleted from the Shebaa Farms entry and from Misplaced Pages itself.

It was quickly deleted on the grounds that it was "redundant", after you argued to keep it.

I have instituted a deletion review. But clearly I'm at a disadvantage here by not knowing all the ins and outs of complex[REDACTED] protocols.

You seem to want to tell the documented truth, rather than allow hand-waving falsehoods such as that "Syria accepts that the territory is Lebanese" when you know the history is far more complex than that. (Both Lebanon and Syria said the territory was Syria for decades and even today, Assad will not say it is Lebanese territory. That map is critical to showing that the entry on Shebaa Farms implying Syria always accepted it as Lebanese territory is simply not accurate)

Could you please find the deletion review -- which I have not yet found even though I instituted it -- or begin one of your own to get that map back?

Otherwise all I know how to do is send this entire thing to arbitration, because people are using wikiprocedures to bury me.GreekParadise (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreekParadise: I see that you rediscovered the deletion review at WP:Deletion_review#File:1966_Official_Lebanese_Map_of_Shebaa_Farms_and_Syrian_border.png. A quick way would have been to check your own contribs. I'll look at it. Zero 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I did rediscover it. Thank you.GreekParadise (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for your contribution on the map deletion review page. I really do appreciate it. I do recognize you are acting in good faith, even if we disagree on the proper use of some of the sources. I just want to accurately reflect them.

The UN found the territory to be Lebanese for a good reason, and both Lebanon and Syria have had conflicting positions over the years. I want those positions to be reflected in the article in all their confusing complexity rather than a blanket statement one way or the other which would be simple but inaccurate. And if you can ever find a clear single public statement by the Syrian government actually saying it's Lebanese territory, I would readjust my view on this. Have you ever found one?

To me, the lack of a Syrian public statement is telling, as is the Syrian refusal of the repeated UN requests to demarcate the boundaries. A Syrian official privately told the UN one thing in 2000 while Assad privately said the opposite in 2011. To me, the implication is that Syrian doesn't want to have a public position (that they want to keep the land as Syrian but while Israel occupies it, they can suggest in private but not say in public it's Lebanese territory). Obviously we can't say that. We can only state their position before 2000 that it was Syrian and then state the private indicators and private counter-indicators of their contradictory positions thereafter. It's fine to state the UN said a Syrian official said this and a diplomat said Assad said that while we should also note there does not appear to be a clear Syrian position publicly stated by the Syrian government.~~~ GreekParadise (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

There was a recent discussion and subsequent editing about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)/Archive_1#Israel's_alleged_occupation_of_Lebanon Selfstudier (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Removal of my Talk comment on “Jewish Voices for Peace”

Hello. You removed my comment in the talk section of “Jewish Voices for Peace” stating the criticism that the group has is not actually being Jewish (they non-Jewish members) but use their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism be included in the article’s criticism section. This is a common criticism of the group (see the source I listed) and I don’t see why my comment was removed. Whether you believe this to be true should not be a factor in its inclusion. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@71.179.129.209: You wrote "non-Jews can be members and make up the majority" but the source only says "some of the members of JVP are not Jews at all". Nothing about a majority. The first rule about choosing a source is that it supports the text you want to cite to it. Zero 06:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, remove “majority”. They have been criticized for using “Jewish” in their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism (whether that is a valid criticism is another matter). Seems like something you should reply to my comment instead of deleting. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

1947 vs later

Is this just a careless error? or something intentional? I.M.B. (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Industrial Metal Brain: I suspect they intended to remove the 1947 case but hit the wrong section link. Zero 05:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Maybe, but wouldn't they see what they were deleting? They even wrote something explaining it? It would make sense if there was a "delete section" button, but it seems hard to miss? Unless there is an editing tool that does have a delete section button? but editing tools usually auto tag in edit summaries. I.M.B. (talk) 12:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

If it's a one-off it's probably nothing. It just seemed like a weird error. I.M.B. (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposed decision of Palestine-Israel articles 5 posted

Hi Zero0000, in the open Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the proposed decision, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Proposed decision. For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)