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Both ]s ''and'' ]s are listed here, following the lead set by ]. -] 02:58, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC) Both ]s ''and'' ]s are listed here, following the lead set by ]. -] 02:58, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)


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:More like 50%. Anyways, one of the main reasons for instituting categories was to eliminate the need for massive lists like the ones sorted by platform at ]. -] 20:59, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC) :More like 50%. Anyways, one of the main reasons for instituting categories was to eliminate the need for massive lists like the ones sorted by platform at ]. -] 20:59, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


::Yes, but we can already sort games by genre and company, things that are much more narrow. How about a comprimise? We can keep Arcade, but instead of '''Console''', we put the specific systems that the game was for (], ] etc.)? ] 01:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC) ::Yes, but we can already sort games by genre and company, things that are much more narrow. How about a comprimise? We can keep Arcade, but instead of '''Console''', we put the specific systems that the game was for (], ] etc.)? ] 01:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I was working on categorys: I was working on categorys:
(computer and video games by):Company, platform, year, genre. (computer and video games by):Company, platform, year, genre.


==Cover-all== ==Naming==
Moved to: ]
I feel we also need something that covers '''Computer games''', '''Console games''', '''Video games''' and '''Arcade games''' in one fell swoop. I suggest that we rename this, and all its subcategories, '''Electronic games'''. ] 16:57, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:Easier to make Console and Arcade games subcategories of this one, and adding ] or something similar for games played on the personal computer. -] 20:59, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:Also, "electronic games" is vague enough that it would be expected to cover unrelated material, such as pinball games and slot machines. -] 21:05, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As I said before on ], "video games" should be the umbrella term for all of ]s, ]s, ] and ]s. "Video game" is 1) short 2) the most commonly used term, and 99.99% of the games in question for this category use video. ] ] 21:27, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:If you want to be ''accurate'', they would all be under "computer games" because they all use computer processors. Depending on what definition of "video" you use, text-based games (like ] and some ]s) are disqualified as "video games". Either way, this has come up on ] and ] in the recent past and the consensus seems to be to leave computer/video game articles separate but to put lists (and by association categories) of computer/video game related topics together. -] 22:31, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
::True, but "computer games" is very often used to mean "PC games as opposed to console games", even on Misplaced Pages (in fact, ] redirects there). Anyway, what I said above was mainly in reference to the "timeline of video games" pages, which are essentially about the video game industry (which also produces the non-video computer games), and naming of articles (where "computer and video games" is unwieldy). I'm actually fine with the current naming for categories. ] ] 22:44, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:::One could argue that "computer game industry" and "video game industry" refer to different things as well, but that's more semantic than I plan on getting. -] 00:20, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:Considering that we already have '''Console games''', perhaps we can change our definition of '''Video games''' to be the coverall (even txt-based games are shown on a Video display)? Otherwise console and video are just a synonyms. ] 01:53, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
::Actually, I think we should get rid of console too, and start listing games into categories by specific platform (PC, NES, PS2 etc), and adopt these and ] into a general "games by platform" category. -] 02:32, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:::I think we should keep console, but only as a parent to XBox, Gamecube, SNES etc. Console games wouldn't include any articles for any specific games. ] 02:38, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:Not sure if this helps but , , and all give support to '''Video Game''' applying to any game that's presented on some kind of video screen, covering Arcade, PC and Console. ] 02:38, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Electronic Games would also cover Simon and Talking Battleship. Video, as Oberiko points out, really describes output to a video screen, whether a computer monitor or a television. Considering that, with the XBox, there are very few games that are exclusively computer games anymore, I think the need to distinguish console and computer games is increasingly minor. Probably better to call it all video games than have redirects and split information. ] 15:06, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)

When deciding about ontologies, don't forget that there are ]s that are computer-driven but do not use a video screen, not even for text. I suppose the younger generation never had the experience of consuming long rolls of paper playing adventure on a TTY. I saved one of these, but I think the paper disintegrated later - another little bit of history vanished. ] 15:56, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:I think that could be solved by an explanation within ] that states it is for more prevelant modern ] only, and provide a link to ].

:Either that, or just have ] as a child of both ] and ]. '''Computer games''' would then include ] as well. ] 17:06, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

::Both seem rather awkward, and there are plenty of purists who will object and then act on the objection by editing everything in sight. "Computer and video games" includes all the right keywords and doesn't need explaining. ] 02:10, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:::Yes, there will always be people who will argue that they ought to be listed as X and not Y. Better to be inclusionary than to provide fodder for a potential edit war. -] 02:33, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

::::Well, due to the amount of cross-over, this category would have to be changed to ] so as to include everything (having arcade as a totally seperate category without a similar parent (Games) doesn't make much sense). I feel that unless an explanation can be provided for a flaw with '''Video games''' becoming the umbrella and '''Console games''' being specific to consoles (which is very convenient and now technically correct), then we should go ahead and do it.

::::Frankly, I'm curious how many people actually don't consider PC games and arcade games to be video games. ] 10:08, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:::::It's simple - arcade games have dedicated hardware (the cabinet at least, and usually internal circuitry), while console and PC games use generic hardware. So arcade versions of games are always software-hardware combinations, and you can't describe them as if they were software alone. However, I do consider "arcade games" to be a subcategory of "computer and video games", so there's no reason to retitle the wider category to mention "arcade". ] 15:12, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

::::::It can't be a subcategory. It's not, by current definition, a computer game or a "Video game", hence the need for the umbrella. Right now, it just seems like a lot of work to incorporate a specific, non-universal POV that's not even technically correct. ] 22:19, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:::::::What is the "it" you're referring to? Not clear from context. ] 16:35, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)


<s>:Would everyone prefer the new naming issue be taken up here or on the above page?] 14:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)</s>
===Vote on video game being an umbrella term (3/2/1)===
I think the best way for us to solve this would be by voting on it. I don't know how long votes normally last, so I say we close this one week from now on June 25th.


February 2007 CVG->VG naming discussions on CfD: ] ]. ] 17:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:One week is a little short - two weeks would be better. People often don't notice that a vote is happening, then don't feel bound by it later if they didn't get a chance to weigh in. There's a place to advertise votes too, forget where. ] 16:33, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)


== Miscellaneous entries ==
::If you (or anyone else) learns where we can advertise this (I posted at the ] discussion), by all means feel free to add it in here. And two weeks sounds reasonable. '''July 2nd''' is when we'll close this vote.
There seem to be a number of games listed in this category. As best I understand it, these games should be categorized by genre, date, etc. I'm going to be placing these games in these categories to clean up this top category "directory" a little. --] 15:22, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


== Need to remove project and category info boxes from this page! ==
I propose that '''Video games''' from here on out be known as an umbrella for '''Arcade games''', '''Console games''' and '''Computer games''' as oppossed to being a synonym for console games.
The infoboxes are already on the portal page, which links to here anyway. The infoboxes distract from the main content of this page which is the subcategories and articles. -- ]<small> | </small>] 03:02, 2005 August 23 (UTC)
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Someone has listed it at the right place ] ] 00:28, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)


:I agree. It's look really ugly on the page. Keep it in the discussion. -- ]
====Support====
# ] 12:23, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
# ] ] 17:51, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
# --] 19:28, 2004 Jun 21 (UTC)


====Oppose====
# ] 16:33, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
# Prefer "electronic games" as the umbrella: as someone said above, that includes pinball, etc, but "video" does not. ] 00:23, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
# Concur with Robin Patterson; would "video" games include text-based games? ] 21:41, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)


== New category: Launch titles? ==
====Neutral====
I think it would be helpful to have a list of "Launch titles" (category name pending) to indicate all games that were released simultaneously (but not after) the launch of console. For example, ] for the Xbox, ] for the N64, ] for the PS2. We already ] so this could be easy. My only concern is how do we differentiate US vs. European or Japanese launch titles? This merits further discussion. ] 17:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
#] 03:54, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)


== New category: Video game classifications? ==
====Comments====
I think that for trying to reduce the number of categories in this category it could be created another category "Category:Video games classifications" in this category to put together in this new category the categories: Video games by company/platform/region/year/..., Video games with expansion packs/historical settings, Video game compilations/franchises/remakes/sequels/prequels/spin-offs/stubs, Unauthorized video games, Cancelled video games and all the categories that contain video games.
I should clarify that ] would be the umbrella for ALL of them (Pinball, LCD display games, video games, ] etc.) See the image for what I propse.


I think it would be better than the current organization because in this way it will be a separation between the categories that contain videogames and the categories which contain other things related to videogames, like music, character, hardware, developers, etc. I'm sorry for my English because I'm spanish, but I hope all of you can understand me. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Ha! ==
Computer non-video are pretty non-mainstream so I'd rather link to it or have it as a sub-category of computer games (but the primary emphasis of the category would be it's video games). ] 01:21, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)


It has only one article now... Isn't this a milestone for the English Misplaced Pages? Eh..
:Yeah. This isn't really about the "electronic games" umbrella, but the "computer and video games" sub-umbrella. The only real options seem to be "video games", "computer games" and "computer and video games". Perhaps the poll should be changed to include several options instead of just yes/no for one. ] | ] 01:58, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Also I would like ] (a category for the content '''related''' to the games) available in more languages. ] (]) 23:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
::What do you have in mind? Right now I'm focusing on the Video Games including computer, arcade and console as the change, but from a comment above, I think some people have the impression that I want it to be a super umbrella for everything. ] 10:24, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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Both computer games and video games are listed here, following the lead set by list of computer and video games. -Sean Curtin 02:58, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Catagorizing

I think we need to standardize how we catagorize games. I vote it should be:

  1. Company, genres, themes (if applicable)
  2. Series

Where Series is simply a grouping of similar games (Like Category:Final Fantasy) which can be catagorized in the same way as 1. If it's categorized by series, it wouldn't need any other category, obviously.

I also say we should get rid of the categories Arcade games and Console games. About 90% of games ever made were on a console, or at least ported to one. Oberiko 10:13, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

More like 50%. Anyways, one of the main reasons for instituting categories was to eliminate the need for massive lists like the ones sorted by platform at list of computer and video games. -Sean Curtin 20:59, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Yes, but we can already sort games by genre and company, things that are much more narrow. How about a comprimise? We can keep Arcade, but instead of Console, we put the specific systems that the game was for (NES, GameCube etc.)? Oberiko 01:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I was working on categorys: (computer and video games by):Company, platform, year, genre.

Naming

Moved to: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Computer and Video Games/Definition dispute

:Would everyone prefer the new naming issue be taken up here or on the above page?BcRIPster 14:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

February 2007 CVG->VG naming discussions on CfD: Cat:CVG root page Cat:CVG umbrella. BcRIPster 17:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous entries

There seem to be a number of games listed in this category. As best I understand it, these games should be categorized by genre, date, etc. I'm going to be placing these games in these categories to clean up this top category "directory" a little. --BradBeattie 15:22, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Need to remove project and category info boxes from this page!

The infoboxes are already on the portal page, which links to here anyway. The infoboxes distract from the main content of this page which is the subcategories and articles. -- Sitearm | Talk 03:02, 2005 August 23 (UTC)

I agree. It's look really ugly on the page. Keep it in the discussion. -- Dangeorous-Boy


New category: Launch titles?

I think it would be helpful to have a list of "Launch titles" (category name pending) to indicate all games that were released simultaneously (but not after) the launch of console. For example, Halo for the Xbox, Pilotwings for the N64, SSX for the PS2. We already have a list so this could be easy. My only concern is how do we differentiate US vs. European or Japanese launch titles? This merits further discussion. The-bus 17:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

New category: Video game classifications?

I think that for trying to reduce the number of categories in this category it could be created another category "Category:Video games classifications" in this category to put together in this new category the categories: Video games by company/platform/region/year/..., Video games with expansion packs/historical settings, Video game compilations/franchises/remakes/sequels/prequels/spin-offs/stubs, Unauthorized video games, Cancelled video games and all the categories that contain video games.

I think it would be better than the current organization because in this way it will be a separation between the categories that contain videogames and the categories which contain other things related to videogames, like music, character, hardware, developers, etc. I'm sorry for my English because I'm spanish, but I hope all of you can understand me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.103.0.39 (talk) 22:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Ha!

It has only one article now... Isn't this a milestone for the English Misplaced Pages? Eh..

Also I would like Category:Video gaming (a category for the content related to the games) available in more languages. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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