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| Hello again {{u|Willietell}}. Since we have again recently discussed conflict of interest, I would like to explain a little more and show evidence of what constitutes conflict of interest (]). I would not start posting templates on talk pages of regulars except for edit warring or vandalism, but on Misplaced Pages we commonly use these related templates: ] (useful for organization or company articles with mainly edits from involved editor(s)), ] (for talk page headers), ] (quite similar to an organization writing on itself, but this is for individuals writing about themselves); we also have ] to warn users. The message is clear: involved editors are likely to not be able to objectively write about the companies or organizations they are very involved in, this is not an insult or attack but normal human behavior. | |||
| Although it is in no way forbidden, we commonly call single purpose accounts (]) the accounts of editors which are only (or almost only) editing on a particular topic. The edit history of editors thus says a lot about the level of conflict of interest. SPA is not a baseless accusation of COI, it is evidence of COI. | |||
| == RfC: Should the lede define the narrative as a "myth, in the academic sense"? == | |||
| I may be stating the obvious, but the goal of the Misplaced Pages project is to build an encyclopedia. It is a huge project covering a high number of topics. Other than editing articles, there also are many ways editors contribute, like improving citations, copy-editing articles to follow the manual of style (]), participating to vandalism patrolling, working on images, participating by voting at articles for deletion (]), helping other editors at articles for creation (]), etc. There are many Wikiprojects (see ]) and many venues (please check ] for an example of a number of possible tasks anyone with enough competence can help with, or even my user page for a collection of links). | |||
| An RfC has been created at ]. Since you have been involved in this discussion, I'm informing you about it here. This is not an attempt to canvass, because people on both sides of the dispute are being notified. - ] (] - ]) 16:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Your recent edits == | |||
| What I am trying to say is that I am persuaded that your experience on Misplaced Pages could be more enjoyable and even gratifying; that in non-conflict subject areas you would be likely to positively collaborate with other editors to build something great. Please think about other areas of interest you may be interested in working on. But it's up to you, this is only advice. | |||
| Hi Willie. I wanted to try and help you out before this gets out of hand. First off, if you make an edit, and someone reverts your edit, use the ] formula, rather than constant reversions to get your edit in. Just because you think an article should be a certain way, doesn't mean its . I'm mainly refering to, but there have been others. | |||
| Have a good day, | |||
| Secondly, you seem to be lacking ]. You are constantly pushing an argument, making it sound that any statement that doesn't conform to ''your'' POV is POV spin. These claims do not breed a collaborative culture, and make it very difficult for other editors to work with you. | |||
| — ]] — 03:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| : Your own talk page clearly shows your own conflict of interest when it comes to pages related to Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe you should refrain from tossing stones near your glass house ] (]) 18:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| This project brings in people for all across the board, with different beliefs and ideals. We may not all see eye-to-eye on everything, but we need to work together to achieve consensus and, ultimately, better the project. If you have any questions, feel free to hit me back. ''''']]]''''' 20:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == False accusations == | |||
| :I don't know what your relationship with the editor who keeps reverting the edit is, but I rather think you are not also giving them the same speech. In fact, I know you are not, because I looked at their talk page and you have failed to mention this issue to them. I have requested of that particular editor that they discuss the edit in talk rather than simply revert, they have failed to do so, instead, another editor who has several times closely linked himself to the reverting editor by his historic actions, has also reverted the edit, giving the impression, in my opinion of ], because they seem to be working in conjunction to one end, as has also been demonstrated in past historical edits. If you feel that the edit I made is POV, please explain how it is so. Additionally, the editors of whom you speak are certainly not attempting to engage in a collaborative culture, unless that culture is to inject POV spin into articles in such a way that it reflects negatively on Jehovah's Witnesses. Every edit I have made has been in a good faith effort to improve Misplaced Pages, but certain editors will accept nothing, not even the slightest wording, that does not paint a POV spin on articles related to Jehovah's Witnesses, and if you wish to give advice, please give it to those editors as well, otherwise I may be inclined to believe your advice to me was not in itself made in good faith. Additionally, I am willing to work with others to achieve better articles on Misplaced Pages, however, I cannot say that I have noticed such a co-operative spirit from ''certain'' other editors, I won't mention names, but I am sure you can surmise as to which editors I refer. I came to Misplaced Pages only a couple of months ago, but I have encountered constant hostility from a certain ''set'' of editors, who also seem to hound me from page to page reverting any edit I make. And yet, when I revert the reversion that they made without discussing in talk, I am advised by editors such as yourself, that I need to discuss in talk. Why did you not instead, advise ''them'' that ''they'' need to discuss in talk? They are after all, the ones making the reversion to begin with. It all leads me to ask myself what your particular relationship with those editors is that you would let it impact the way in which you choose to hand out advice. . I will assure you, that if editors choose to work with me in a spirit of co-operation instead of against me in a spirit of hostility, I can be reasonable, that doesn't mean I will not express my opinion, because I certainly will, but I feel that I am certainly not the ''only'' editor that you would do well to advise in regards to "''attempting to engage in a collaborative culture''". ] (]) 06:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| In your recent comments at ], you have made a number of accusations. You will be reported to admins if these matters are not dealt with in a timely fashion. | |||
| #Your claim that I run an "anti-Jehovah's Witness blog" is a misrepresentation, and your attempt to use an editor's off-Wiki opinions as a characterisation of Misplaced Pages edits is a breach of Misplaced Pages's harrassment policy: "Dredging up their off-site opinions to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment". You are to retract the claim. | |||
| #Your use of 'scare quotes' in reference to '"another" editor' implies an accusation of sockpuppetry. You are to immeidately either retract the false claim or provide your alleged 'evidence' in support of your claim so it can be assessed by admins. | |||
| #Your claim about geolocation is obviously a lie, since you have no way of geolocating my Misplaced Pages account. I have no affiliation with any Misplaced Pages editor outside of Misplaced Pages. You are to immediately retract the false claim that you know ''anything at all'' about my 'geolocation'. | |||
| Additionally, your use of "as the editor plainly pointed out" is not a remotely reliable basis for your assertion that there is nothing wrong with your editing history, since the new editor's lengthy comments at the article's Talk page are obviously neither objective nor constructive. | |||
| I'll give you a few days to retract the false claims, after which your actions will be reported to admins if not properly handled. Thanks.--] (]) 08:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| You should also be aware that even if you do not attempt to justify your recent insinuation of sockpuppetry, there is already evidence that you have been fully informed that your longstanding insinuations of such constitutes a personal attack, and that you are already explicitly aware that it is not appropriate to make such insinuations at article Talk pages.--] (]) 12:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| As you seem to be inactive (which has happened in the past after inappropriate actions have been pointed out, though that may or may not be the case in this instance), I will leave this matter in abeyance until you resume editing.--] (]) 22:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Reminder: this matter is still oustanding.--] (]) 10:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :How are things in Sydney? How's that for geo-location? Or are you still accusing me of lying? I don't have the time for your stupidity. You at least did, (I don't know if your still presently still do) run an anti_Jehovah's Witness blog, so don't deny it. Therefore your Conflict of interest is not in question to anyone who knows the facts. Nothing I have said is untrue, little you ever say seems to be true. I haven't logged into this fictitious pretend quasi-encyclopedia for years. I have never "implied" about your sockpuppetry. You clearly operate several in your attempts to maintain control over Jehovah's Witnessess related pages. Are you and your sock-puppets and meatpuppet-buddies still dictating all the content on Jehovah's Witnesses articles? Those truth-twisted articles still under your control? Editors like you are the reason Misplaced Pages content is considered unreliable by educators. Anyway logging out again, see you in three or four years...maybe.... ] (]) 19:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm nowhere near Sydney. So good you're back... Sigh. Your other trash isn't worth my time, but obviously if you become disruptive again, we'll be seeing you at the Admin Noticeboard.--] (]) 09:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Welcome back, an idea
Hello again Willietell. Since we have again recently discussed conflict of interest, I would like to explain a little more and show evidence of what constitutes conflict of interest (WP:COI). I would not start posting templates on talk pages of regulars except for edit warring or vandalism, but on Misplaced Pages we commonly use these related templates: Template:COI (useful for organization or company articles with mainly edits from involved editor(s)), Template:COI edit notice (for talk page headers), Template:autobiography (quite similar to an organization writing on itself, but this is for individuals writing about themselves); we also have Template:Uw-coi to warn users. The message is clear: involved editors are likely to not be able to objectively write about the companies or organizations they are very involved in, this is not an insult or attack but normal human behavior.
Although it is in no way forbidden, we commonly call single purpose accounts (WP:SPA) the accounts of editors which are only (or almost only) editing on a particular topic. The edit history of editors thus says a lot about the level of conflict of interest. SPA is not a baseless accusation of COI, it is evidence of COI.
I may be stating the obvious, but the goal of the Misplaced Pages project is to build an encyclopedia. It is a huge project covering a high number of topics. Other than editing articles, there also are many ways editors contribute, like improving citations, copy-editing articles to follow the manual of style (WP:MOS), participating to vandalism patrolling, working on images, participating by voting at articles for deletion (WP:AfD), helping other editors at articles for creation (WP:AfC), etc. There are many Wikiprojects (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject) and many venues (please check Misplaced Pages:Backlog for an example of a number of possible tasks anyone with enough competence can help with, or even my user page for a collection of links).
The goal of this message is to encourage you to participate in other Misplaced Pages areas. It is an invitation, which you are by no means obligated to accept. However, this would show good will to participate building the encyclopedia. One of the worse outcomes on Misplaced Pages is to end up considered as not being here to build an encyclopedia (WP:NOTHERE). When not resulting in blocks, it is still not a constructive path towards collaboration and the assumption of good faith (WP:AGF) which are very important on Misplaced Pages.
What I am trying to say is that I am persuaded that your experience on Misplaced Pages could be more enjoyable and even gratifying; that in non-conflict subject areas you would be likely to positively collaborate with other editors to build something great. Please think about other areas of interest you may be interested in working on. But it's up to you, this is only advice.
Have a good day, — PaleoNeonate — 03:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Your own talk page clearly shows your own conflict of interest when it comes to pages related to Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe you should refrain from tossing stones near your glass house Willietell (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
False accusations
In your recent comments at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses, you have made a number of accusations. You will be reported to admins if these matters are not dealt with in a timely fashion.
- Your claim that I run an "anti-Jehovah's Witness blog" is a misrepresentation, and your attempt to use an editor's off-Wiki opinions as a characterisation of Misplaced Pages edits is a breach of Misplaced Pages's harrassment policy: "Dredging up their off-site opinions to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment". You are to retract the claim.
- Your use of 'scare quotes' in reference to '"another" editor' implies an accusation of sockpuppetry. You are to immeidately either retract the false claim or provide your alleged 'evidence' in support of your claim so it can be assessed by admins.
- Your claim about geolocation is obviously a lie, since you have no way of geolocating my Misplaced Pages account. I have no affiliation with any Misplaced Pages editor outside of Misplaced Pages. You are to immediately retract the false claim that you know anything at all about my 'geolocation'.
Additionally, your use of "as the editor plainly pointed out" is not a remotely reliable basis for your assertion that there is nothing wrong with your editing history, since the new editor's lengthy comments at the article's Talk page are obviously neither objective nor constructive.
I'll give you a few days to retract the false claims, after which your actions will be reported to admins if not properly handled. Thanks.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
You should also be aware that even if you do not attempt to justify your recent insinuation of sockpuppetry, there is already evidence that you have been fully informed that your longstanding insinuations of such constitutes a personal attack, and that you are already explicitly aware that it is not appropriate to make such insinuations at article Talk pages.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
As you seem to be inactive (which has happened in the past after inappropriate actions have been pointed out, though that may or may not be the case in this instance), I will leave this matter in abeyance until you resume editing.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Reminder: this matter is still oustanding.--Jeffro77 (talk) 10:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- How are things in Sydney? How's that for geo-location? Or are you still accusing me of lying? I don't have the time for your stupidity. You at least did, (I don't know if your still presently still do) run an anti_Jehovah's Witness blog, so don't deny it. Therefore your Conflict of interest is not in question to anyone who knows the facts. Nothing I have said is untrue, little you ever say seems to be true. I haven't logged into this fictitious pretend quasi-encyclopedia for years. I have never "implied" about your sockpuppetry. You clearly operate several in your attempts to maintain control over Jehovah's Witnessess related pages. Are you and your sock-puppets and meatpuppet-buddies still dictating all the content on Jehovah's Witnesses articles? Those truth-twisted articles still under your control? Editors like you are the reason Misplaced Pages content is considered unreliable by educators. Anyway logging out again, see you in three or four years...maybe.... Willietell (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm nowhere near Sydney. So good you're back... Sigh. Your other trash isn't worth my time, but obviously if you become disruptive again, we'll be seeing you at the Admin Noticeboard.--Jeffro77 (talk) 09:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)