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== Gold Apollo AR924 proposed deletion ==
== Kuwait/IOA Total ==


Hi Evanh2008,
I agree with the points you made on S&P's talk page. However, it's also bad to report information that is most likely false, even if we have no verifiable sources saying it is. Perhaps we should just leave the IOA total blank for now, with a footnote explaining the situation? ] (]) 01:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good compromise. Do we just set the athlete number parameter to "unknown"? I'm not quite sure if that might break the template, but I'll let you handle that if you like. The footnote is already in place, so we should be fine in that department. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 01:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
:: I'll try "unknown". If that doesn't work, I'll leave the field blank, which should work. ] (]) 01:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::: It worked with unknown. Once we figure out what the deal is, we'll replace it with the correct number. ] (]) 01:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
:::: London 2012's site has been updated; the three Kuwaitis formerly listed as independents have been moved to the Kuwaiti roster. Unfortunately, their total for that roster only comes to ten, rather than the number of eleven given by other sources. I don't think that this is a problem, however, as I'm no longer interested in citing London 2012 for information on which they have proven themselves to be unreliable. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


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== Something involving Rob Liefeld ==
:Thanks for this. Someone else beat me to it, but I've added my input at AfD. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)


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:Who said anything about vandalism? ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 19:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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For telling me of what to know about Jaosn Russel, again, thanks. =)] (]) 09:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:You're welcome! ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 10:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Reply to Note ==

I'm not sure what I did wrong and am hoping you can advise me. All I was trying to do was to '''agree''' with the mediators' decision about the Beatles "compromise." Did it seem like I was trying to do something else? I added my agreement under the "Your views" section on the mediation talk page. Wasn't that right? The note said I had refactored someone else's talk page. I'm not sure what that means, but, if I did a no-no, it was an accident. Thanks for any advice you can give me.] (]) 04:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you check the diff I posted at your talk page, you'll see that you accidentally removed two other editors' comments (and inserted one with Yeepsi's signature attached to it). If I misplaced your comment in repairing the damage, I apologize, and you can feel free to move it to wherever you think it belongs. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

== Dude, stop templating people ==

The stuff on Alymustafina's page was totally uncool.

You are turning away potential contributors with your little kid mall cop antics.

] (]) 04:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

:You have a valid point. I use templates where I feel that they will be more helpful than direct engagement, but in this situation I definitely could have handled it better. I'm just trying to sort things out where edits look potentially problematic, and things certainly did look problematic in this case. Edit summaries are to prevent confusion over things like this, and when they aren't used, the edits come across as vandalism, regardless of what they are intended to be. But I overreacted. I apologize, and I thank you for calling me out on it. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

::Having established the above, would it be possible for you to clue me in as to the purpose of the edits in question? If I know that they have a decent rationale, I can guarantee that there won't be any confusion in the future. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 20:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Thank you ==
I would just like to thank you for asking ] (]) to stop deleting large chunks of information for no apparent reason. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who noticed this and thought that it was destructive to the gymnast's pages. Since you warned Aliyamustafina the IP address ] has been deleting the same type of information from gymnast's pages and I believe that it is the same user. I'm not sure what to do about it other than undo the edits on the pages that I follow and I would appreciate any help you can offer.] (]) 17:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, regardless of what the motivation is, those edits are disruptive without an explanatory summary. I noticed the IP edits last night and had intended to take a closer look at them today; I think you're right, though, as the pattern matches. At any rate, I don't think it's a whole lot to worry about. If the user doesn't explain the blankings, they can just be reverted and warned; and if it continues, they can be blocked. I've undone the edits and given the IP a level-three warning. If they start in on it later, they can be given a level-four warning and then taken to ]. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the notification! ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 21:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
::] now, too. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 19:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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== Olympics page ==

No, I definitely wouldn't have done that on purpose. Maybe I 'selected all' and deleted the article in the editor by accident. My apologies. ] (]) 00:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:No worries! Thanks for the clarification. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 00:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Led Zeppelin page ==

Evanh2008, I noticed a space between a letter and a period. I'm a stickler for stuff like that. When I entered the edit page, I noticed some formatted text in the location where the space was - text that didn't appear on the main page, nor added anything to the article, so I deleted it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:That's ]. It is there to inform editors about certain peculiarities about the subject or the writing style where confusion is likely; that's why it doesn't show on the article, but only while editing. I had assumed your edits were in good faith, however, so no harm done. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Pink Floyd ==

Great edits at ] Evan! Thanks for helping out! ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 22:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks, Gabe! Haven't done much of substance yet, but I hope to get around to some more in the next few days. Great work on your part as well. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 22:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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:Thank you for the notification! I'll help out as much as I can. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 06:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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== The trade mark argument as a legal threat ==

It occured to me that perhaps the trade mark argument for "The Beatles" is tantamount to a legal threat. Afterall, when editor "S" says, "Remember, 'The Beatles' is a registered trade mark of Apple Corps LTd." aren't they really saying, "if we don't cap all the definite articles Apple might sue wikipedia". Any thoughts. Also, I've asked our wikimedia general counsel, Geoff Brigham, to weigh-in on this issue, should be interesting. ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 22:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

:Yeah, I think that's a completely valid way of looking at it. I don't see that the trademark argument has ever had any weight, but if the intent is to change the way Misplaced Pages does things by employing nebulous threats of litigation, I'd say that definitely falls under ]. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 22:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

:: GabeMc, would you please provide a diff to that comment? The context is important, because if there's no more than this comment, I'd be hesitant to raise this up to the NLT level. That could be a violation of AGF. We should be cautious about doing such a thing and possibly blowing this up to more than just a comment. Maybe the comment is ill-informed, or maybe it's actually true, in which case it's informative and protective, not a negative thing. It is in the interest of Misplaced Pages and its editors to know if they are in danger of trade mark infringement. I suspect there is no danger, since fair use should cover mention. -- ] (]) 22:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

::: I hear you, but since I didn't mention an editor do I really need diffs, which would actually implicate a specific user? As far as context, that is pretty much it, and they have made the comment numerous times. I can sure dig up the diffs if you want me to, though I'm not sure what that would lead to. ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 22:38, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

:::: is a diff, there are many more where this came from. ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 22:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

::::: Interesting information, but I don't see any type of legal threat here. If there are other diffs that sound more ominous and threatening, I'd like to see them. Even if the trade mark statement is true, I don't think we'd be endangered by using the terms in text here. Only if we use it for commercial purposes would there be a problem. I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong, and I'd certainly like to be corrected if I'm wrong. -- ] (]) 06:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

== Friendly notice ==

Hi Evan,
Firstly, I noticed you've added input at ], as a Wiki-acquaintance I would like to make you aware that there is currently an ] report against Farouk regarding his conduct towards other users. I have faced such acts by the user in the past and still to this day don't know why s/he cast racial attacks towards me when I had never even been in contact with him/her. So I thought I best let you know just in case the user comes along to your (or any other) talk page and starts posting racial threats to you too.

Secondly I'd like to thank you for the barnstar award, that was ever so kind of you, and I appreciated it so much. ProjectOlympics should design an Olympic Barnstar too. The experience volunteering at the games has been out of this world, the Olympics alone were such a buzz with everything going on. The Olympic Park is now going through the transformation ready for the Paralympics in 10 days time. I'm helping out with some of that preparations and doing shorter periods of volunteering days, until August 29 when volunteering gets into full swing again right the way through until the closing on September 9. I can truly say that if you get the opportunity to volunteer at such an event like the Olympics, Paralympics, or Commonwealth Games - that you should seize the chance, you'd really enjoy the experience it brings. Regards, <b style="background:black">] ]</b> 08:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks very much for the info on Farouk, and you are very welcome for the barnstar; keep up the great work! Hope the Paralympics go well. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 17:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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== Gold star lesbian ==

You tagged ] as vandalism, and an administrator deleted the article. I do not think that the article was vandalism, as the term is confirmed at and . However, as a dictionary definition, it would be more appropriate at Wiktionary, and if the article had survived, I would have tagged it as {{tl|dicdef}}. <font face="Times">'''] (] • ])'''</font > 06:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:Fair enough. However, I could have just as easily tagged it under G4, since the same article was PROD'd back in 2008, and CSD'd the year before that. It also was written in a highly unencyclopedic fashion and (if my memory hasn't failed me) lacked sources, so I didn't see that it would have been of much use anywhere. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 06:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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== Torah Study ==

] (]) 02:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)Can you explain why you considered the statement that part of the reason that Documentary Hypothesis is rejected by many is because it is contradicted by the Hebrew torah (in hebrew) the Mishneh and Talmud. You edited it to say that they believe that since its not based on evidence therefore it is false. Something not based on evidence is not proven, it is not a reason to hold that it is factually false.

You also insist that its only orthodox rabbis that reject it. 1. it is rejected by many people who are not rabbis and not orthodox at all. Polls show that the great majority of secular Israelis reject this theory. So do all Sephardic Jews. at a bare minimum do not call my revision vandalism.

I have no idea who you are so i don't know what your motive is, but it does appear that you want to make it appear that this theory is accepted by all, save orthodox rabbis, who reject it only for the illogical reason that if something is not proven then it must be false.

Since we are on the subject there is something else that i don't understand, and that is according to the Documentary Hypothesis the Torah is the ideology of a few individuals. Why is study of this work any different than, say, studying Aristotle. The idea of Torah study is that its a completely different caliber of book. You write that part of this study is to understand the society that these people live in. What is so important about those people and their writing, which may well be fiction. In addition the bulk of the Torah are commandments, ideas on how man should relate to God etc. What can archaeology teach about how to understand these teachings. Archaeology would only be of any help for the couple of stories that the Torah tells of, the majority of which there is nothing in archaeology that tells us anything.

:You've made a lot of points, so let me address each of them in turn:

:1. "''You edited it to say...''" Nope. I reverted your edits because they contravened our ] policies. I've not actually authored any of the material currently in the article.

:2. "''You also insist...''" No, I don't. See above.

:3. "''do not call my revision vandalism...'' I didn't. In fact, I make a point of not doing such things. Please don't accuse me of things I didn't do.

:4. "''you want to make it appear that this theory is accepted by all...''" No, I don't. But your edits were not sourced and were in violation of Misplaced Pages's policies.

:5. I essentially agree with the last few points you made. I don't even hold to the Documentary Hypothesis myself, so please understand that I have no intellectual axe to grind here. Despite that, our articles have to be held to a high standard of sourcing and neutrality. If you have further concerns, I would recommend you take it to the article's talk page for wider input. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 03:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The statement "because it is contradicted by the Hebrew torah (in hebrew) the Mishneh and Talmud" is not means as ''pov'' but that is why they reject it.

As to a source for anyone other than orthodox rabbis rejecting it. I don't see a source that says that orthodox rabbis reject it, so its not an issue of sources but commonly known fact. This is a theory held, as the article itslef says by those Jews in Europe who accepted this theory, the Reform and Consrvative movements. Sphardic Jews or israeli secular jews have nothing to do with those movements and it is well known that they don't care for the theory, if they heard of it at all. In fact zionists who are anti-orthodox, claim their right to the land of Israel because of the torah. I don't think that they mean, because the Elohist wrote it. So i think that we can expand what is commonly known beyond Rabbis. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Okay. I believe we had a minor misunderstanding there. I'm fine with you adding additional material to the article, and I'll go over it again to make sure everything's alright with it. We do of course prefer that you cite ] for the material you add, but I think making certain that the article is both accurate and consistent with itself is also a good goal to have. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

== Beatles Troll ==

Hello, Evanh2008! Before tagging anymore IP user pages, ]. Since IP's are recycled, we don't want to tag their user pages, but their talk pages instead. Just a heads up, and Cheers :> ] ] 07:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

:Thank you for the note. I had thought that was proper procedure, but then I saw an administrator or two creating and tagging user pages. I suspected something was wrong there, so thanks! ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 07:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Now he's in Egypt - quite the traveler... ] ] 07:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

:You'd think he would have gotten up to use the bathroom at least once by now... ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 07:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
::And now Chile. {{IP|190.14.48.99}} --]&nbsp;] 08:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== To BullRangifer and Evanh2008 ==
This is a reply to an e-mail I was sent, for any interested party.

When I said I knew who the post was from, I meant I knew it was from 99. Now, for both of you, please read . Forget BullRangifer for that, because he's already got it as a link on his own project page. You people have too much time on your hands.--] (]) 03:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:I never accused you of being part of a conspiracy, so please don't insinuate that I did. You're fully aware based on the first e-mail I sent you that I have no antipathy towards you, so the only one acting in an uncivil fashion is you. If you want to make further accusations against me, I suggest you take it to ] or (more appropriately, from what I see on your talk page) ]. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 03:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

::Calm down; I have an idea. If you want to know who I think it is (and there are more than one), I'll send you an e-mail. It's logical when you look at it from outside the circle.--] (]) 04:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:::I'm willing to listen to anything at this point, of course. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:::: I wish someone had notified me of this, since I'm mentioned. What the heck's going on here? -- ] (]) 02:08, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::You didn't know? Very interesting. And now, over to Evanh2008...--] (]) 04:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::@BR - I'm pretty sure you know what this is in relation with, unless I've been talking to a different BullRangifer via email. This is related to the guy who may or may not be KBlott; you had one of his posts oversighted recently. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 04:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::: I suspected as much, but was hoping for more details from Andreasegde and his POV. -- ] (]) 21:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::::It was not my POV at all; I was only repeating what Evanh2008 told me in a private Misplaced Pages e-mail. He ''mentioned you specifically''. He said that you and he suspected that I knew who '99' (the sock/troll), really was. Am I wrong about this, Evanh2008?--] (]) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
This was the e-mail:
"This diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Andreasegde&diff=next&oldid=506543135) is what led BullRangifer and I to believe otherwise. I suppose we may have misinterpreted what you were saying." This is verbatim.--] (]) 20:58, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
:That's completely true, yes. The diff was also at , so I'm fairly certain we're all on approximately the same page here. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 22:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

== A beer for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | After that last little outburst, I think you could do with one of these to calm your nerves back down. Chin up and keep smiling Evanh! ]♦] 02:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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:Thank you, Wesley! I appreciate your help and support. :-) ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::I've semi-protected this page for 3 months. If you'd like me to change the protection settings, just let me know. — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 02:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks for cleaning up, Mr. Stradivarius! I wouldn't mind an indefinite semi-protection, of course, but as I know that's almost unheard of, three months should do it. Thanks again! ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Let's keep it at 3 months for now - from two weeks to indef is a bit too big of a jump. If it happens again after the protection expires then indefinite semi-protection is probably the next step, though. — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 02:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh its still at it even on Strad's page now. Any chance of semi-protecting my talk page just in case it starts posting random crap over there too? ]♦] 02:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, no - we don't usually do pre-emptive semi-protection for talk pages. If you want to know the details, just ask me over at my user talk. Best — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 03:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Would you mind indef blocking {{user|CaptainHill}}? He got tagged a few weeks ago but was never blocked, for one reason or another. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 03:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I'm not so sure about this one because I'm not familiar with the editing patterns. Probably best to start a new ]. — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 03:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks for the advice; I'll look into it. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 05:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Feezo|Beatles Poll: Suggestion for future interactions|ts=09:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)}}
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== Thanks ==

Thanks for the barnstar Evan! I really didn't help much though, its an excellent article that you should be very proud of getting through FAC so smoothly. Well done! ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 22:29, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

==Fixing a Hole==
Remember Mr. Beatles? I had contacted RackCo at the time. They finally got back to me, basically saying, “there's nothing we can do, because those addresses all belong to our client”. And the client is… *drumroll*… Privacy Partners, the same anonymous proxy service for which we already blocked a bunch of net blocks. —{{SubSup|]&nbsp;|]|]}} 23:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:Very interesting. I guess that, as several people have already observed, this is essentially a game of whack-a-troll until he gets tired of it and acquires a social life or something. It would be nice not to have to deal with it, of course, but I think it comes with the ]. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

== '''The Olive Branch''': A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #2) ==

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'''This edition The Olive Branch is focusing on a 2nd dispute resolution RfC. Two significant proposals have been made. Below we describe the background and recent progress and detail those proposals. Please review them and follow the link at the bottom to comment at the RfC. We need your input!'''

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;Background
Until late 2003, ] was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the ] and the ] were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way.

Due to the complexity of Misplaced Pages dispute resolution, ] about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process.

An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is ].

;Progress so far
]. Here, participants fill out a request through a form, instead of through wikitext, making it easier for them to use, but also imposing word restrictions so volunteers can review the dispute in a timely manner.]]

Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to ] were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a ]. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A ] to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created.

As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see )

Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The ] was closed in August, and ] was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Misplaced Pages disputes.

;Proposed changes
Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:

1) A '''submission gadget for every DR venue''' tailored to the unique needs of that forum.
* Similar to the one that was deployed, with great success, to the DRN.
* Structured based on the specific issues most commonly dealt with at each forum.
* Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum.
* Applicable at following noticeboards: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ].
* Forms will merely fill out any existing templates (such as Arbcom's) and create a markup-free form in line with specific noticeboard practices otherwise.
* Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired?
2) A '''universal dispute resolution wizard''', accessible from ].
*This wizard would ask a series of structured questions about the nature of the dispute.
*It would then determine to which dispute resolution venue a dispute should be sent.
*If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors).
*The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
*Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
*Coding such a wizard would be complex, but the DRN gadget would be used as an outline.
*Once the universal request form is ready (coded by those who helped create the DRN request form) the community will be asked to try out and give feedback on the wizard. The wizard's logic in deciding the scope and requirements of each venue would be open to change by the community at any time.

3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on '''how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers'''.

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'''Please share your thoughts at the ].'''

--''The Olive Branch'' 18:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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== I Don't Know What Bug Is Biting You, But... ==

Whatever is going on with you, you need to stop. Ethnic Jews can be Christians. In fact, "The Birkat haMinim is a malediction on heretics. The belief that the curse was directed at Christians was sometimes cause for persecution of Jews. Modern scholarship has generally evaluated that the Birkat haMinim probably did originally include Jewish Christians before Christianity became markedly a gentile religion."-] -- ]

: I'm well aware of the current state of scholarship on the origins of the Birkat haMinim. I'm also aware that ] was the first person to die as a result of an airplane crash, but unfortunately neither of those facts has any bearing on the issue at hand -- namely, your attempt to forge a statement in the name of the ADL. I strongly advise you to revert it willingly before an admin comes along and blocks you. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 06:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

== Messiah ==

And why isn't Schneersohn a self-declared messiah? Just asking. ] (]) 08:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:As I understand it, he never claimed to be the Messiah. His followers made that claim beginning in the 1950s, but I don't think he ever addressed that issue publicly. It's possible that I am wrong, of course, and if he did make that claim, I'd love to know about it. ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:: I understand. As far as I know he did allude to it, but never said so clearly. So I would agree with you here. ] (]) 16:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Eyes needed ==

Could use some eyes on ], where, like with the article on the ], schills have been trying to portray the movement as they describe themselves. The movement is an over-the-top extreme-right "Christian" organization that is rabidly anti-gay to the point where even other conservative Christian groups in Australia have distanced themselves from it. Would appreciate it if you could add it to your watchlist. Thanks! ] (]) 03:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
:Will do! ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 01:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hello! I have begun a review on this article, which has sadly languished in the queue for far too long. I am about halfway through the review, but have identified some sourcing concerns that will require addressing. I will continue with a review of the prose shortly. Cheers! ]] 17:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the message. I'm off-line at the moment but should be available later this week or early next, as soon as I have a chance. Cheers! ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
::Ok, no problem. I have no problem leaving the nomination on hold for a while, just so long as it isn't abandoned. Thanks, ]] 22:58, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the barnstar Evan. I totally forgot to say something and I just remembered when I went to archive my page. '''] ]''' 03:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Harrison ==

I recommend that the sfn/harvnb citation method be applied at ] so that the article is brought into sourcing consistency with ], ] and ]. I realise this is not a requirement, but it may be nice to have consistency among this group of articles. Any thoughts? ~ ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 23:40, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, that sounds fine to me! I have not dealt with that particular system much in the past, but I'll definitely read up on it. Thanks for the note; definitely something to keep in mind. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 10:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:BTW, don't feel like you have to do a whole lot in the tedious-templification department. Starting next week I'm going to give the article another copyedit and make sure all the formatting and references are in order, so I should be able to take care of it then. Thanks for all your help! ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Only warning? ==

Hi Evan, I am not sure we've met, but anyway I saw your reverting of the edit that changed Mitt's name to Mittens. While I certainly agree that this is vandalism and should be reverted, I think that the "only warning" template you placed on the offenders talk page was a little too harsh. It's supposed to be reserved only for major BLP violations and usually seem to be used when defamatory information is added...not sure that changing Mitt to Mittens, though vandalism, warranted the template. I'm not going to change it, but I just wanted to let you know I thought it is overkill for an edit of that nature. ] ]] 02:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the note; If that had been the only issue, I probably would have used a welcome-vand template or level 1 warning. It was the fact that all his/her other edits were also vandalism that I thought warranted going straight to a level 4im. Cheers! ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
::OK; I wasn't aware he'd made other "contributions". Sorry about that. Happy editing, ] ]] 02:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:::No problem. Ta! ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 02:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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== I Don't Believe You ==

You and your ilk are the ones who are accusing Messianic Jews of proselytizing; "Kogons" and "Levitskys" of not being Jews just because they're Catholic or whatever else; calling any criticism of the Talmud "Anti Semitic"; calling David Duke a Christian, etc.. You are so clouded by your Anti-Messianic bias, that you can't see it. Also, to say that Messianic Jews proselytize (force, induce) conversion is an insult to Messianic Jews whose families were really proselytized by the pogromists, Inquisitors, etc..] (]) 07:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
:I have an ilk? This is the first I'm hearing of it, but let's just run with that for a moment. Assuming that I and this ilk are out to defame Messianics, surely there's a more effective way of going about it. More effective, that is to say, than all those hours I spent slaving away at the ] article to remove statements that dismissed the Jewishness of its adherents out-of-hand. More effective than the words I have spoken in defense of other Messianic editors, specifically asking that they not be sanctioned for disruptive behavior so that we could have their input and their good-faith efforts to improve related articles, at a time when it sure seemed like their names and the phrase good-faith didn't belong in the same paragraph together, let alone in the same sentence. If I'm persecuting you, I'm obviously doing a terrible job of it.

:I want to help you make this site better, but I can't do that if you won't let me. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 07:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

==If That Were the Case...==

Why are you and your ilk, as I cited, accusing Messianic Jews of proselytizing; "Kogons" and "Levitskys" of not being Jews just because they're Catholic or whatever else; calling any criticism of the Talmud "Anti Semitic"; calling David Duke a Christian, etc.? As I also said, to say that Messianic Jews proselytize (force, induce) conversion is an insult to Messianic Jews whose families were really proselytized by the pogromists, Inquisitors, etc. For example, my Foczko and Chernetski relatives went through that pain of being proselytized, and warp sharing of faith into forced conversion is an insult to them and their memories. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:First off, I'm not at all sure I've ever called David Duke anything. I may have called him a Nazi asshole or something a number of years back, but I've certainly never called him a Christian. I also do not call "any" criticism of the Talmud anti-Semitic. I call anti-Semitic criticism of the Talmud anti-Semitic. I am not some sort of militant anti-Christian, anti-Messianic Satmarnik or something, which is what you seem to be implying.

:No one but you said anything about forced conversion, either, and that is almost never what the word "proselytize" means. You might be interested in the , which defines it as "To encourage or induce people to join a religious movement, political party, or other cause or organization". The word itself is consent-neutral, and nowhere in our article is it used in a context to imply that any attendant conversions were non-consensual. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 07:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:It absoultely is, and that's the way that Anti Messianics use it all of the time. Besides, think about it: "induce", as in "to induce vomiting". Messianic Jews do not induce conversion.] (]) 08:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

- "To lead by '''persuasion''' or influence ... To cause, bring about, lead to." If you're going to be wrong, you should at least be wrong and prepared. I shouldn’t be able to poke this many holes in your argument this easily. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:And we don't do that. Since you won't look at 1 Corinthians 3:5-7 yourself, here it is. "5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase."

::Well, Christians hold 1 Corinthians as canonical too, so can I use it as a source that the Inquisition never happened? ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::No. Matthew 7:21-23 explains false believers who propogated the Inquisition, etc.. "“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" Anti Semitism and forced conversions are far from Christian. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::If you have specific concerns about specific statements in specific articles, I can (and want to) address them. The only thing I want more than a broader range of input on our religion-related articles is adherence to policy and civility. I am ready to deal with your concerns as soon as you are ready to slow down and discuss them. I really do want you here. If you cant believe that, then we obviously have a failure to communicate. If I have said or done anything to make you feel put off or denigrated, then you have my full and sincere apologies. That is not my intention. Rather than carry on with this unproductive repartee, I think it's best for everyone that we discuss specifics. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

==Messianic Judaism==
You recently reverted my edit without comment. I was just using the inverted pyramid of encyclopedic article editing, where the first few sentences give a summary of what you’re about to read and, as the reader goes deeper into the article, an elaboration of the information begins. Threading is just structuring the data. I think the lead was too cumbersome. While I might understand your revert, I'm a bit piqued by the lack of a comment. But...I don't care to join the editorial battle that seems to be happening here, so I will move on. ```]<small>]</small> 08:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
:Replied. Sorry. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 08:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks for that. ```]<small>]</small> 08:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Gold Apollo AR924 proposed deletion

Hi Evanh2008,

I saw that you proposed to delete Gold Apollo AR924 and that this was contested with a suggestion to take it to AfD. I would encourage you do to so and would support such a proposal. Best regards, Lklundin (talk) 21:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Someone else beat me to it, but I've added my input at AfD. Evan  00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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