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From the person who brought us ] (]), ] (]) and Hay's ] (]) comes this advert for a singer with Hay's publicity company who is Hoopla Worldwide's co founder. It is a ridiculously bloated mess of ], ], ], deception, bad sources and attempts to assert ].<br> |
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* Sabrina has been featured on ], ], ] (Several times), ], ], Hiphopdx and DJBooth - which are all reliable sources. She has also released music through ], ], etc. ] (]) 05:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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It claims she has gold sales in the UK but a search for them on the British Phonographic Industry site comes up empty. The only Sabrina found is ] with ]. Give this apparent lie can we believe anything else in this article? (See also the same claim in the authors piece on ] which has the same claim and for which a search comes up empty).<br> |
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Article claims charting but after the gold claim can this be believed? a search of Billboard and allmusic came up empty. More lies? |
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This piece has a huge mass of sources but most are not ]. |
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* Once again, that UK certification was a mistake (that you could have easily removed). People make mistakes. But for you to personally call it lies is bogus.] (]) 05:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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* For the last time, I didn't create the Jonathan Hay (publicist) page.] (]) 05:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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A mix of sources associated with Hoopla, shops, blogs, press releases, sources that don't mention Audio Stepchild, passing mentions, associated topics, gossip pieces. In this mess I'm not seeing many independent reliable sources that provide any depth of coverage.<br> |
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The only exceptions are minor puff pieces about her marrying someone she'd never met. They are not in anyway about her music or promotional career. Given that the Misplaced Pages article in question is unrelated to what these sources are about they do not support the existance of this promo encyclopedia entry. If you think that coverage is sufficient to support a ] then that bio would be about that wedding so one would need to start from scratch.<br> |
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Take away the claim of a gold record, the charting and I can't see anything left that satisfies ].<br> |
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Much like the previous article at ] (]) this is a puff piece from someone dedicate to promoting Jonathan Hay related subjects that relies on association with others. ] (]) 11:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' the reference given for the claim of having gone gold in the UK comes up as a 404 for me. But even more importantly than that, given the other contributions it's pretty clear someone with a conflict of interest is attempting to use Misplaced Pages to advertise. ] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 14:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the ]. ] (]) 15:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the ]. ] (]) 15:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the ]. ] (]) 15:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the ]. ] (]) 15:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Keep''' as this artist is very notable with the many sources to back it up. The reference for the gold in the UK was applied incorrectly by me. It should have been used for UK as in "University of Kentucky". That's something that can easily be removed, doesn't warrant a page deletetion because of that. Once again, this is the same user who has put up these pages for deletion on all my pages. ] (]) 18:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Regardless of the creator's obvious COI and intent, all articles should be considered on their own merits. Instead of relying on the puffery, the attempts at notability by association and alleged "controversies" with other artists, or tsunami of non-reliable and self-referential sources already in the article, I researched the subject as I would any other. There is nothing out there, as far as I can tell, that could be construed as granting ]. I see a lot of self-generated content, social media stuff and minor coverage. And the subject fails ] with the possible exception of #10, however that states clearly that ''...if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article'' and we'd have to assume that those compilations are themselves ], which doesn't seem to be the case. <span style="color:red; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;">§]</span><sup>]</sup> 19:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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** Is it a COI because I pay attention and have knowledge to Louisville, Kentucky based issues? ] (]) 19:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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::*'''Comment''' COI is never a reason to delete an article anyway, so ultimately it doesn't matter if it exists or not. <span style="color:red; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;">§]</span><sup>]</sup> 20:01, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete and Salt''', given that this is the 2nd time this spam masquerading as an article has popped up. Fails ]. There's minor coverage at best. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that she's Jonathan Hay's wife. Clearly there is a pattern here. --] (]) 04:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:* yes there is a pattern here and nothing's wrong with it. She's part of Hoopla Worldwide, a singer with Nappy Roots, etc. So what? I created four pages on things that I actually have knowledge in. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? ] (]) 04:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::It's all about the ]. Or, in this case, the lack thereof. --] (]) 04:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::: So let me guess ], ], ], ], ] and Hiphopdx aren't reliable sources??? I'd say those are VERY reliable. ] (]) 05:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Apparently, Not exactly a sterling example. Particularly, since it's just a repost from sodahead.com. --] (]) 05:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::::But ] reported about her though right??? It's a great example. Fox News at one time never heard of President Obama. That's not a sterling example of you to say such a thing when you just read about her on Fox News. Or do you come into the world as notable? In no way can you deny ], ], ], ], ] Hiphopdx and DJ Booth. You are just wanting to have a pissing contest. |
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:::::::::And as far as her article on the ] that just shows she's from Indiana, so I could source that she was from Indiana correctly like you are supposed to do. I'd say the Tribune who did a story on her is pretty notable. So it the Bristol Bugle newspaper.] (]) 05:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:It's trivial coverage. You need a non-trivial example. --] (]) 05:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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::I've listed at least seven non-trivial examples and there are many more, but i won't waste anymore time with you.] (]) 05:46, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Clear case of ]. Few sources from notable outlets, even fewer that actually focus on the article's subject. ] (]) 11:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC) |
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