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== Ban ==


Hi @] I'm here to talk about my banning that recently happened a day or two ago. Anyways, i just want to talk about why you banned me from editing? I didn't vandalize any articles, didn't mess anything up, and sometimes i put information in tropical cyclone seasons with no citations (i get the in info from the infobox and just make a sentence off of it) etc. I don't use any VPN, and i don't even know how to use a VPN. So if you're kind enough, can my banning be resolved? Please? ] (]) 11:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
== ''The Signpost'': 25 December 2013 ==


:The mere fact that you posted here means you are not affected by a block. ] (]) 16:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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::The OP didn't mention a block, but a ban. ]. --] &#x1f339; (]) 00:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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:::{{u|331dot}} {{u|Redrose64}} the user is probably referring to their IP address (see their talk page) which is currently under a year block by HJ. ] (]) 00:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::They made an edit, and posted here, subsequent to their unblock request, so they aren't currently affected by a block, thoigh its possible they were when they made the request. Many people use block and ban interchangeably even though they are different. ] (]) 01:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Also if i did any bad stuff to any articles please tell me please, i seriously want to know so i can avoid it next time (don't even know if my ban gets resolved) Anyways, i hope you read this in the future! ] (]) 04:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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::@] the block was not aimed at you. And it appears you're correct that the specific IP address you were using is not a proxy. You've done nothing wrong but there are a lot of proxies on that range (group of IP addresses) that have been used to spread spam links, including from logged-in accounts. If it happens again, the important piece of information is your IP address. Make sure you include that if you ask about a block. ] &#124; ] 10:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Pat Crerand ==
== What kind of a retard are you? ] ==


Hi, may I ask for your advice with anotherwise straightforward page move I cannot make due to an existing redirect? In summary, the redirect needs to come from "Pat Crerand" to "Paddy Crerand" and not the other way round: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pat_Crerand refers. Can you do the swap or tell me how to? Thank you ] (]) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
FOLLOW THE RULES. Locking a page to win a content dispute is a violation of policy and you know it, the only reason for your decline is to protect your jackbooted bookburning friends.


:@] the redirect has a non-trivial history, so it would need to be deleted to make way for the move. This can be done by any admin but as you've opened an RM it's probably best to let that conclude. ] &#124; ] 20:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Own THEY CAN NOT DO THIS.
::Much obliged. The redirect was leading to a rename/move request "renaming" the page to itself! Regards ] (]) 21:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Blocks should not be punitive
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Blocks should not be used:
in retaliation against users;
to disparage other users;
as punishment against users;
or where there is no current conduct issue of concern.

THEY VIOLATED ALL OF THIS.
:I see you have reported this to ANI, so I will leave this to the folks there. ] &#124; ] 19:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

== WP:AE and discretion ==

Placed here, as not to clutter an already lengthy section with an essentially digressive comment, but feel free to move, link, or notify as you find necessary.

I agree generally with your position that admins should have discretion, and conceptually we can impose less severe restrictions in lieu of a block. Most of the time I've seen, when challenged, it comes down to sheer force of personality by the admin imposing the sanction, which can be pretty costly in stress levels and time spent explaining actions over and over again. Also, given the developments over the years giving enforcement actions special protection from other admins, I think a little extra solicitousness to doing things carefully is in order in general, I don't wish to suggest that I think you or any other administrator in particular cannot be trusted.--] (]) 00:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:Hi, thanks for dropping in. I've been working at AE on and off for a few years, and one thing that continually strikes me is the inability of most admins there to think outside the box (or at least to consider actions that require thinking outside the box). I firmly believe that admins' duty at AE is not to roboticly impose sanctions for technical violations, but to do what they believe is right for the project. And that might involve doing something that isn't an arbitration enforcement action ''per se'' (that is, the arbitration remedies are one more tool for dealing with disruption, but we're not obliged to use them). Toddst's block of Yozer1, for example, was a perfectly valid admin action, and could have stood as it was, with the AE protections lapsing after a year (something that has happened plenty of times before, but isn't exactly routine). Of course I agree that we need to take (even) more care with AE actions than with regular admin actions given the toxicity that surrounds arbitration and the special status afforded to AE actions (with which I don't entirely agree, but reluctantly accept are necessary)—that's why we spend so long discussing things, even though any admin could act unilaterally. While I don't think we should rush into things, nor should we refuse to do something just because it hasn't been done before, nor even be afraid to use our discretion. ] &#124; ] 11:53, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
::I agree, mostly. The mostly is where discretionary sanctions are authorized, it is the best time for creativity, and often the time it is most needed. I've certainly tried it myself over the years with limited success. And we certainly can't keep playing not to lose, as opposed to playing to win, which is what mechanical application of rules can get you. But I've become much more aware of how much AE is playing with fire - I've seen it, if not abused outright, misused. I've always thought administrators, at AE and globally, owe everyone else solid explanations of all they do, to provide clarity into our bureaucratic nonsense (a sour spot of enough hurdles and jargon to confuse, but not enough resources to support) - nonsense that is made worse by our near universal disdain for bureaucracy. Anyway, I think I agree with you in principle, just not as applied here.--] (]) 17:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Have you seen ]?--] (]) 21:36, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

== Thank you ==
Thank you for your suggestions sir :) ] (]) 17:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Satyasraya ==

Can you take another look at ] now that the protecting admin has responded? ] (]) 22:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:I've dropped the protection on the first of the three articles. We'll see how that goes, and if everything's okay, I'll do the same for the other two. Does that seem reasonable? Best, ] &#124; ] 16:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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Ban

Hi @HJ Mitchell I'm here to talk about my banning that recently happened a day or two ago. Anyways, i just want to talk about why you banned me from editing? I didn't vandalize any articles, didn't mess anything up, and sometimes i put information in tropical cyclone seasons with no citations (i get the in info from the infobox and just make a sentence off of it) etc. I don't use any VPN, and i don't even know how to use a VPN. So if you're kind enough, can my banning be resolved? Please? Trixlll (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

The mere fact that you posted here means you are not affected by a block. 331dot (talk) 16:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
The OP didn't mention a block, but a ban. They're different. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
331dot Redrose64 the user is probably referring to their IP address (see their talk page) which is currently under a year block by HJ. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
They made an edit, and posted here, subsequent to their unblock request, so they aren't currently affected by a block, thoigh its possible they were when they made the request. Many people use block and ban interchangeably even though they are different. 331dot (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Also if i did any bad stuff to any articles please tell me please, i seriously want to know so i can avoid it next time (don't even know if my ban gets resolved) Anyways, i hope you read this in the future! Trixlll (talk) 04:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
@Trixlll the block was not aimed at you. And it appears you're correct that the specific IP address you were using is not a proxy. You've done nothing wrong but there are a lot of proxies on that range (group of IP addresses) that have been used to spread spam links, including from logged-in accounts. If it happens again, the important piece of information is your IP address. Make sure you include that if you ask about a block. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Pat Crerand

Hi, may I ask for your advice with anotherwise straightforward page move I cannot make due to an existing redirect? In summary, the redirect needs to come from "Pat Crerand" to "Paddy Crerand" and not the other way round: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pat_Crerand refers. Can you do the swap or tell me how to? Thank you Billsmith60 (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@Billsmith60 the redirect has a non-trivial history, so it would need to be deleted to make way for the move. This can be done by any admin but as you've opened an RM it's probably best to let that conclude. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Much obliged. The redirect was leading to a rename/move request "renaming" the page to itself! Regards Billsmith60 (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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