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--><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px; margin-top: 0.1em; margin-bottom: 0.1em">I have been an ] since May 2006. Administrators have access to a few technical features which help with ].


== Sorry for your trouble ==
I regard admin powers as a privilege to be used sparingly and judiciously, but if you require the assistance of an admin, please feel free to
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Hello ]. I have just discovered the giant and overwhelmingly lengthy and detailed narrative of your eviction from the Kingdom of Misplaced Pages.
If you want admin help, please do try to explain clearly ''what'' you want done, and why, and please do remember to include any relevant links or diffs. I'll try to either help you myself or direct you to a more experienced person if appropriate.</div></div><div style="float:right">{{UserTalkReplyhere|cat=no}}</div>


It's a shock, and it is disgusting to witness the ejection of one of the most prolific and esteemed contributors to the encyclopaedia. I have not tried to read all of the vast quantity of legal-forensic argument pertaining to this incident (I value my mental health) but it's appalling that the banishment of such an intelligent and skilled contributor could not have been avoided.
==Abby Martin==
Very deftly done. I'm not sure which should go where, but you spelled out the choice nicely.] (]) 15:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks, ].
:Flattery brightens the day :) --] <small>] • (])</small> 17:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


This outcome counts as a true convulsion and upheaval in the annals of Misplaced Pages. Three million edits, and now – "fuck off"! It's confounding and upsetting, even for a bystander.
== Attitude ==


Your user ID and mine can be found near each other in the edit histories of many articles but we barely had any mutual contact. My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.
Thanks for proving my point. Removing my response to your skewed summary of our Type 45 discussion above & the edit summary "which part of "discussion closed" was unclear to you" is simply contributes to my concern about your attitude. I don't require a reply. Regards ] (]) 20:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice. Your omnipresent work is a waxed thread binding together the calfskin cover and parchment pages of the Book of Everything read by more people than any other, all over the world. ] is your monument.
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It must be bewildering to be cast so unceremoniously into outer darkness from a satisfying daily activity to which you devoted so much time. As wonderful as the project is, it is also at times a lunatic asylum of disputation and rows cunningly designed to wreck anyone's delicate psychology – the Hell of Misplaced Pages. I try to avoid getting into lengthy wrangles with other editors as much as possible for that reason: they can be a source of profound and damaging frustration which eat so much of your time, which consume and disappear so much of your life.
:{{ping|BD2412}} Thanks! Muchly appreciated.
:On Misplaced Pages, as elsewhere, most folks are decent and well-mannered, and most disagreements are resolved without too much drama. Sometimes, though, there is a reminder that empty vessels make the most noise ... and some encouragement at those times helps a lot. Thanks again. --] <small>] • (])</small> 23:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:: Where drama does arise, there is a time to walk away from it. I admit, I find it hard to do so myself, but ceasing to engage your critics (particularly in fora where the paucity of their arguments is self evident) does not equate with conceding their claims. ] ] 21:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks, ]. Point taken. It has been an unusually nasty episode, and it is time to unplug. --] <small>] • (])</small> 21:46, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


It is about nine weeks since you stopped contributing so I don't know if you will ever see these belated remarks of mine, if you ever come back occasionally to read late additions to your talk page. You deserve every one of the appreciations and tributes left by other editors but perhaps you may no longer visit here, for the sake of your health.
==Move review for ]==
An editor has asked for a ] of ]. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:MCRNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> ] (]) 16:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


If I was in your "Current location: Connacht" (according to your user page) I would invite you to share a few soft, creamy pints to wet your sorrows (my family roots reach deeply into dark Connacht turf).
== Shades/Variations page move ==
Hey, ],<br>
It seems like there was unanimous support to move ], ], ] and ] to "Shades of" titles and I noticed that you said you could help with this proposal. I think most people would prefer the article titles to be consistent so I'd like to see these requested page moves initiated. <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 10:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Liz}} Unanimous support, where?
:C'mon, Liz, don't make me hunt around looking for the location of whatever discussion you are referring to.
:Also, please explain what you want me to do. Open a an RM? Close a discussion? --] <small>] • (])</small> 10:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:: Well, the RMs were put on the Talk Pages of those four articles and on every one, everyone responding supported moving the "Variations of" articles to the more commonly used title "Shades of" (which is used for all other colors). You mentioned on the Talk Page discussions that is was not proper to have four separate discussions of the same issue (true!) and offered to help with the move. For example on ], you said,
::*"''I am therefore closing all 4 discussions as "no consensus", without prejudice to an immediate renomination of the same set in one location. Guidance on how to do so is available at ], and I will be happy to help doing that if asked on my talk page. -- BrownHairedGirl''"
:: So, that's what I was asking help with, since you offered. <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 16:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Liz}} Thanks for clarifying that. I'll get to it later today.
:::But please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please ... do include the relevant direct links when asking for help. I have closed many dozens of discussions over the last few weeks, and don't immediately recall every one of them. It's so much easier to respond when the links are set out clearly, as you did so well in your second message :)--] <small>] • (])</small> 16:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::: Oh, I thought this instance would be memorable. I didn't realize you closed a lot of discussions, I think of you busying yourself with CfDs, not RMs. I don't know how you do so much! But I will take your advice and next time provide diffs. <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 19:31, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Liz}} Done: see ].
:::::I decided last month to do a bit less CFD, and more RM closures. Not sure whether I will stick with RM; it seems to come with a much higher rate of avoidable drama, and I dunno if I want to expose myself to that much hassle.
:::::Sorry that I was a bit snippy in my replies to you yesterday. The nonsense from the misquoting-wikilawyer had got to me a bit, and re-reading the discussion above I was lot less frinedly than I like to be. SorrY! --] <small>] • (])</small> 14:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::: No problem. I knew that my query was coming on the heels of that AN/I dramafest. I'm glad that has blown over.
:::::: I really enjoy working with categories but I find discussions on CFD involve so much unresolved conflict. I got so depressed seeing all of those gender categories put up for deletion, going over the same argument again and again and again. With only a dozen or so editors regularly participating in CfD, it often only takes 3 or 4 people to decide the future of categories that I think are important (and some of which will probably be recreated).
:::::: Well, that's off-topic! I'll look into the RM for the colors. Thanks for following up on that. <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 18:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::: {{ping|Liz} I'm sorry to say that it's a problem all over Misplaced Pages. Not enough active editors, so discussions in most places involve only a few editors. If it gets much worse, large parts of the consensus-forming process will simply break :( --] <small>] • (])</small>


It will be lonely not to see your name in article edit histories and I hope that after a period of deserved rest and healing you may eventually consider returning, perhaps as the older and wiser ]. . You are missed. ] (]) 00:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
== Favour ==


:Dear BrownHairedGirl. I am sorry that you have been banned indefinitely, I hope that you will have a successful ban appeal in August. I only took a quick look at the arbitration, and I believe all sides should at most just go with a topic ban, after this much sacrifice and volunteer time. I think the sentence is too harsh, but it's not necessarily partial, the other side received a slightly harsher punishment than you. I read the scholarly analysis of Arbcom by Florian Grisel of the Oxford Centre for Socio-Legal Studies which you provided, and it does not appear to apply in this case, and with good reason as you are a giant contributor with three million edits here. I sincerely hope you can be granted reprieve and move past this! ] (]) 22:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Can you full protect ] and revert the CU confirmed sock Urfinze please. The SPI case page is ] so you can verify this is a sock. ] (]) 12:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
::My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.
::Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice.
::], I second this. I don't think I can say all this better. It's one thing to see people I look up to retiring due to fatigue but quite another to see them cast off like this without even being able to reply on their own talk page. Something reserved for the lowest and worst offenders; surely this could have ended less cruelly knowing you and all the work you've done for 15+ years. I avoided reading your case because that defeats the purpose of my wikibreak. I refrain from editing too much or looking into the happenings here but when I see something like this, I cannot ignore it.
::To me, we crossed paths first roughly in the 2014s when I was a mere stripling of an editor. All I saw was an admin who really was approachable and advised me against my way of handling a minor issue regarding vandalism when I approached you. I <s>stalked</s> observed the way you work and learnt things that shaped my own editing pattern and behaviour. A minor editing tip I embraced wholeheartedly was your 99% commitment to ].
::Hope real life is treating you much better. Wishes from India. ]&nbsp;(]) 07:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
:::word ---] ] 02:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


== Notification of ANI discussion == == Opting out of mass message delivery ==
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I am boldly adding ] to this page, to attempt to bring some peace and quiet to ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] from this page for some time now. This will hopefully ], and give y'all some time to go out and smell the roses, or write a poem. Or maybe just to ]. BHG doesn't like "{{xt|time-sink drama}}", so I hope and expect she would approve. Cheers, ] (]) 09:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
== Communes/comuni/comunes of Italy ==


:I've noticed another Twinkle template message on here which I've removed, seems like some thinking will be needed in order for peace and quiet on this talk page and bloating the page history. ] (]) (]) 07:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello BHG. I was looking at ] to see if it's ready to be closed. About a zillion files will have to be renamed if it goes through, so I hope whatever change is made won't have to be undone. The term 'comunes' doesn't get universal support in the discussion. One editor said it is a bit too much of a neologism. Can I ask how you would personally rank these options, assuming that 'comunes' might not be the final outcome? The choices to pick from would be Comunes, Communes, Comuni or Municipalities. ] has started a new voting section on 'List of communes' and I would wait before closing if I thought that others might yet add their opinions to that thread. People are OK with 'List of X' so far. The question not yet decided is 'List of what'. Thanks, ] (]) 15:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:: Hmm, I guess those are not considered mass-mailings, then. I wonder if there's another way to block them. See ]. ] (]) 08:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The only way I think would be to apply full protection to the talk page. But then that would block out people who want to leave genuine messages for BHG for any reason (assuming she actually reads them, we have no idea on that point). Perhaps a way around that would be to start a sub-page on which genuine messages could go, and which would presumably not be used by Twinkle messages. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: I liked the (]) suggestion of creation of a {{tl|no twinkle}} template. ] (]) 20:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


== You can come back ==
:It wasn't really my alternative proposal... but it may not be all that important whose idea it was... ] (]) 03:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|EdJohnston}} Thanks for your msg, and sorry for the slow reply. I was diverted yesterday by a bit of wikidrama.
::Whether or not it was ]'s idea, I have come round to the view that it's best to use the English translation "communes". I will leave a note about this at the RM discussion. --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your follow-up. I have now closed ] as 'Moved to List of communes of X'. Presumably the other actions you cited in the move proposal should also be done, but with the 'communes' spelling that was preferred in the discussion. ] (]) 15:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


Editors with as many edits as you who have been blocked indefinitely have come back before, even after a long hiatus. See the 3-year gap in {{lnc|Rich Farmbrough|15|202401021340|ns=0|disp=this user's edits}}. So, don't lose hope; you can, too, if you want to. ] (]) 04:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
== re: Chinese dynasties ==


: I second this motion. In six weeks' time, you can appeal your Arb ban, per the wording of the ruling. ] (]) 07:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi, BrownHairedGirl: thank you very much for the work you have done/are doing to improve the names of articles of certain Chinese dynasties. I have been making some contributions in this area as well, and may continue to do so. I am wondering if there is an easier or better way to fix certain category issues, such as ], other than for someone to create ] and to then go through and manually edit each of the relevant articles? Again, thank you ] (]) 19:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, please come back. Just the other day I was joining in the frenzy of editing our newly-elected MPs, working on someone who'd had an article for a while for some reason before being elected MP, checked to see whether they had a redirect from the full Sunday version of their name... and, yes, it was there, created by BHG years ago. We need your helpful and thorough editing. ]] 09:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
:P.S.: These type of categories should probably really be ], ], and so on, in line with articles such as ], ], and so on. ] (]) 19:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
:Absolutely, BHG, there are too many elections and not enough yous. Hope life is treating you well elsewhere, meanwhile. ] 10:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
::Hi ], you're welcome! It was a much bigger job than I had expected, but I had a little time to get stuck in.
*'''Support''' per nom --] (]) 11:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
::Please don't go manually renaming categories. Apart from being very hard and slow work, category tasks like that require prior consensus, at ].
*'''Support''' so automated messages provided by Twinkle can stay on this talk page, and also to get this user to the 3,000,000 edit mark. ] (]) (]) 21:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::In this case, these are renamings to match a head article renamed at move review, which fits the speedy criterion ] ... so you can use ].
*'''Support''' per nom, in principle. I expect that a discussion in a more formal venue would need to take place. ] ] 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::By far the easiest way to do this is with ]. If you don't already have Twinkle enabled, then make haste to ] to do so :)
*'''Oppose''' to having this conversation here at this point in time. Please shut this down and wait. - ] ] 22:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::BTW, I had written the above before your PS, when you proposed removing the word "dynasty". That would not fit the speedy criteria, and would require a full discussion at ]. Personally, I think that I would oppose that change as removing clarity, and in some cases creating ambiguity: ] ... but if you want to make the case, feel free to do so.
::Hope this helps. --] <small>] • (])</small> 20:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC) *:Agree in this, I should wait until the appeal date so I can give my view there. ] (]) (]) 17:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', obviously. But is there anywhere I can get information on why BHG was banned? ] (]) 23:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi again! And, thanks! I'll be following your suggested links and reading through the information there. I'm not in an urgent hurry to change the category names around; and, in fact, I believe that there is a certain encyclopedic point to informing readers that various sources use both forms such as "Ming dynasty" and "Ming Dynasty". I also agree that there is some inherent ambiguity in article titles such as (and in particular) "Song poetry"! The reason for these titles was partly because of the then ongoing dynasty/Dynasty controversy, and also because there was already a first-in-series of related articles titled "Tang poetry" (a name which directly reflects the Chinese terminology -- in which context any evenly moderately informed Chinese reader would already know that "Tang" refers to a specific dynastic era). My only real concern would be to avoid unnecessary confusion for new editors or readers due to major inconsistencies or from lack of clarity. However, these questions of nomenclature may fall under the category of bridges better crossed some future day, or year. Best, and thank you again ] (]) 09:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
*:] - ] ] 00:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Dcattell}} I decided to go ahead with the speedy renamings of the categories, and have started listing the categories at ]. There may be a case for other changes in addition to the capitalisation, but to keep things simple, let's just do the capitalisation fix for now. --] <small>] • (])</small> 14:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
::::Hi ]. Yes, and I'm still working on learning more about categories, which I have always found challenging, and still need to read some of the material from your links (also I'm not a hobgobblin for total consistency). From *'''Support''' because of ]'s proven record of high excellence and hardworking dedication – assuming she retains any appetite for involvement here after her painful experience. She would be warmly welcomed back and appreciated by many. ] (]) 02:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per nom. Subject meets the ] as a notable Misplaced Pages editor. Multiple sources have avowed her importance, and even if they didn't, per ] subject should be Kept and returned to active editing. ] (]) 14:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
<categorytree mode=pages>Chinese poetry</categorytree>
*:This sounds like an argument at ]. It would belong at ] if there were an article called ]. ] (]) 14:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I think it would be quite helpful to change/move the categories named "...Dynasty poets" in the ] to "...dynasty poets", except of course "Six Dynasties poets", "Five Dynasties and Ten kingdoms poets", and "Northern and Southern Dynasties" since in these 3 particular cases "Dynasty" is part of a proper name (both in Chinese and English). But of most help would be to do the lower case "d" with ] and ]. In any case, the work done in changing the Chinese dynasty article names is already a valuable and important step for Misplaced Pages, also perhaps a logical and foregone conclusion, but one the sooner done, the less cleanup afterwards! I am very appreciative for the work that you and others have done in this regard and am sorry to not be more helpful. ] (]) 17:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
*::Yes, it's a joke. <small>And tells you all you need to know about the average Misplaced Pages editor's sense of humour.</small> ] 14:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Restore''' per nom. Sorry I missed this due to my own (voluntary) wiki-retirement. Best of luck, BHG. ] (]) 02:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
* This is one of several cases that led me to write the essay ]. ArbCom (and, by extension, one faction of the community) has chosen a path I consider to be wrong and dangerous. The other faction of the community is expressing their sympathy here. This disconnect cannot, and will not, ever be resolved, so we will have to deal with the carnage. ] ] 03:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
*:Site bans for minor misconduct is a violation of ] ''policy'', I support the essay. ] (]) 23:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' appeal now that a year has elapsed, in my opinion, appealing the merits might be less effective to appealing the fairness of the site ban. ] (]) 22:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Its time to get yourself sorted out and back into shape. The project needs you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
*'''Query''': Should all deletion notifications be removed if there's a potential for return? ] (]) 23:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
*:I too am curious about that <sup>Thanks,</sup>] ] 01:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
*::If the editor ever chooses to return, she would be able to find those deletion nominations by checking the history of this page if she was inclined to do so: nothing disappears completely. ]] 14:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Come back''' ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 23:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - per Nom. ] (]) 14:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - The decision was too harsh against you. Please come back. You are not alone. ] (]) 03:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' She is an incredible worker who contributed extensively to Misplaced Pages for nearly two decades and did not deserve to be banned. ] (]) 19:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. <small>We edited on and off for more than a decade, turning intermittently to BHG and others of comparable good heart and sense, when the arbitrariness and capriciousness of our local, transient majoritarian decision-making system went awry with regard to obvious and true Western understandings of justice and fairplay. It is an absurdist tragedy to see that through one of the same type of decisions-sans-justice, sans-accountability that WP has lost yet another productive worker.</small> We of course support her return. It would be a small justice should she be allowed to, a small blessing should she choose. But we trust, if we remain unblessed, that others will be in our stead. Our loss, other's gain. ] (]) 06:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


:*'''Support''' Per nominations. Even though I've never interacted with this user or haven't joined until April 2024 (8 months after BrownHairedGirl was blocked by Arb Com), I've seen what she has done to Misplaced Pages in 2021-2023 and I think she did an awesome job at Misplaced Pages. You could come back and return to Misplaced Pages sometime between today and a few years time. <b>]</b> ] | ] 10:24, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
==Category:Lists of Scottish MPs==

''']''', which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at ''']''' on the ] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. ] <small>] • (])</small> 15:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== Category:Country houses in the United Kingdom ==

Can you look at the introduction to ]? As I read that it seems to include every residential building, at least in the first line or two. I know that there are some definitions for some of these, but those of us on the other side of the pond are not well versed in the divisions. Right now it seems to be just country houses, castles and manor houses. Which is not a problem. I'm probably going to tag as a container category. ] (]) 18:15, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
:Hi ]
:I read that intro as a lot more restrictive: "anything of historical architectural note that was used as a residence by a noble family or persons of esteem in history". That may not be the best definition, but there is another one at ]: "a large house or mansion in the British and Irish countryside, usually associated with the aristocracy or landed gentry". That's much more succinct, and should be used in the category intro.
:Note that the term is widely used in scholarly literature (see ), and is not mere container for another more specific types. --] <small>] • (])</small> 18:49, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. ] (]) 18:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== Concentration camp codes ==

Hi, BrownHairedGirl. Could you please take a look at the codes that I have started adding to the pages (starting with the top ones)? I feel that it might be wrong...] (]) 21:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Hoops gza}} Your of ] looks good to me! :) --] <small>] • (])</small> 21:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks, sorry for the trouble.] (]) 21:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
:No prob, ]. You're welcome :) --] <small>] • (])</small> 21:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== making me the target is an old tactic ==
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Bad call, very bad. Didn't you even ''look'' at the category tree and the other titles and parallel primarytopic town vs band the town takes its name from issues? No, of course not. I'll save my breath, see ]. I'm girding my loins to get ], ] and ] jointly relisted by MoveReview. Yes I know I have to write tersely and neutrally and that logic and evidence are not on the table - only wikiquette is. Please sir, may I have a relisting etc. There were five Canadians as well as myself in that and you should have clued into what Themightyquill was saying in my defense. The current situation is untenable and has to still be resolved; the guidelines already exists to support Skwxwu7mesh, but nobody would ever acknowledge any of that; even for quoting and commenting on very relevant passages in TITLE I was told to shut up. Before this is another "wall of text" I'll sign off. Both you and Fayenatic London made me the target of your negative decisions on this title, and making editors the issue rather than the topic itself is supposed to be against the rules.] (]) 02:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
*] was just moved from ]; there's already a ], which I created to prevent someone copying the Squamish pattern so no CFDS is required. But this is an ''exactly parallel example, as with many others, of the native name being the "way to go" and the "anglicization" that is the town, in this case ], requires no disambiguation, as is supposed to be the case for unique-town names in Canada. ] is exactly the same, just not as common in print. The Ethnicities and tribes guideline is very clear on this choice of native name even ''IF'' it's not most common. A future CfDS after relisted RMs is the way to go; and getting CANENGL to embrace issues of toponymy vs indigenous nomenclature...well, we'd already "solved" that years ago but it's been shoved aside.] (]) 03:12, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Skookum1}} I presume that you are referring to my closure of ]. I stand by it, and have nothing to add except to note that the same problem of excessive verbosity is replicated on a smaller scale here, where you post a long reply to yourself, and also at ], where you post 2 replies to yourself.

See the guidance at ]: "Be concise", and "Keep discussions focused: Discussions naturally should finalize by agreement, not by exhaustion." You made a herculean effort to ensure that this CFD discussion finished by exhaustion.

You are of course free to open a ]. However, before you do so I strongly urge you to take a break from the issue and consider the disruptive effect of your extraordinary verbosity. --] <small>] • (])</small> 07:53, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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Because I have had enough of pile-ons, timesink dramas, the relentless quote-mining in dispute-resolution, and the fundamentally broken "arbitration" process.
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This talk page was last edited (diff) on 16 January 2025 at 10:25 by PEPSI697 (talk • contribs • logs)

Sorry for your trouble

Hello BrownHairedGirl. I have just discovered the giant and overwhelmingly lengthy and detailed narrative of your eviction from the Kingdom of Misplaced Pages.

It's a shock, and it is disgusting to witness the ejection of one of the most prolific and esteemed contributors to the encyclopaedia. I have not tried to read all of the vast quantity of legal-forensic argument pertaining to this incident (I value my mental health) but it's appalling that the banishment of such an intelligent and skilled contributor could not have been avoided.

This outcome counts as a true convulsion and upheaval in the annals of Misplaced Pages. Three million edits, and now – "fuck off"! It's confounding and upsetting, even for a bystander.

Your user ID and mine can be found near each other in the edit histories of many articles but we barely had any mutual contact. My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.

Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice. Your omnipresent work is a waxed thread binding together the calfskin cover and parchment pages of the Book of Everything read by more people than any other, all over the world. Your neverending contribution history is your monument.

It must be bewildering to be cast so unceremoniously into outer darkness from a satisfying daily activity to which you devoted so much time. As wonderful as the project is, it is also at times a lunatic asylum of disputation and rows cunningly designed to wreck anyone's delicate psychology – the Hell of Misplaced Pages. I try to avoid getting into lengthy wrangles with other editors as much as possible for that reason: they can be a source of profound and damaging frustration which eat so much of your time, which consume and disappear so much of your life.

It is about nine weeks since you stopped contributing so I don't know if you will ever see these belated remarks of mine, if you ever come back occasionally to read late additions to your talk page. You deserve every one of the appreciations and tributes left by other editors but perhaps you may no longer visit here, for the sake of your health.

If I was in your "Current location: Connacht" (according to your user page) I would invite you to share a few soft, creamy pints to wet your sorrows (my family roots reach deeply into dark Connacht turf).

It will be lonely not to see your name in article edit histories and I hope that after a period of deserved rest and healing you may eventually consider returning, perhaps as the older and wiser GreyHairedGirl. May you always dream of dmy dates. You are missed. O'Dea (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear BrownHairedGirl. I am sorry that you have been banned indefinitely, I hope that you will have a successful ban appeal in August. I only took a quick look at the arbitration, and I believe all sides should at most just go with a topic ban, after this much sacrifice and volunteer time. I think the sentence is too harsh, but it's not necessarily partial, the other side received a slightly harsher punishment than you. I read the scholarly analysis of Arbcom by Florian Grisel of the Oxford Centre for Socio-Legal Studies which you provided, and it does not appear to apply in this case, and with good reason as you are a giant contributor with three million edits here. I sincerely hope you can be granted reprieve and move past this! Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.
Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice.
O'Dea, I second this. I don't think I can say all this better. It's one thing to see people I look up to retiring due to fatigue but quite another to see them cast off like this without even being able to reply on their own talk page. Something reserved for the lowest and worst offenders; surely this could have ended less cruelly knowing you and all the work you've done for 15+ years. I avoided reading your case because that defeats the purpose of my wikibreak. I refrain from editing too much or looking into the happenings here but when I see something like this, I cannot ignore it.
To me, we crossed paths first roughly in the 2014s when I was a mere stripling of an editor. All I saw was an admin who really was approachable and advised me against my way of handling a minor issue regarding vandalism when I approached you. I stalked observed the way you work and learnt things that shaped my own editing pattern and behaviour. A minor editing tip I embraced wholeheartedly was your 99% commitment to meaningful edit summaries.
Hope real life is treating you much better. Wishes from India. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
word ---Sluzzelin talk 02:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Opting out of mass message delivery

 Courtesy link: WT:Twinkle § Blocking notification messages

I am boldly adding Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to this page, to attempt to bring some peace and quiet to all those editors who have been patiently removing mass-mailing messages from this page for some time now. This will hopefully put a stop to it, and give y'all some time to go out and smell the roses, or write a poem. Or maybe just to switch over to editing something else. BHG doesn't like "time-sink drama", so I hope and expect she would approve. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 09:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed another Twinkle template message on here which I've removed, seems like some thinking will be needed in order for peace and quiet on this talk page and bloating the page history. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 07:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, I guess those are not considered mass-mailings, then. I wonder if there's another way to block them. See WT:TW#Blocking notification messages. Mathglot (talk) 08:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
The only way I think would be to apply full protection to the talk page. But then that would block out people who want to leave genuine messages for BHG for any reason (assuming she actually reads them, we have no idea on that point). Perhaps a way around that would be to start a sub-page on which genuine messages could go, and which would presumably not be used by Twinkle messages.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I liked the (archived) suggestion of creation of a {{no twinkle}} template. Mathglot (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

You can come back

Editors with as many edits as you who have been blocked indefinitely have come back before, even after a long hiatus. See the 3-year gap in this user's edits. So, don't lose hope; you can, too, if you want to. Mathglot (talk) 04:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I second this motion. In six weeks' time, you can appeal your Arb ban, per the wording of the ruling. Softlavender (talk) 07:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, please come back. Just the other day I was joining in the frenzy of editing our newly-elected MPs, working on someone who'd had an article for a while for some reason before being elected MP, checked to see whether they had a redirect from the full Sunday version of their name... and, yes, it was there, created by BHG years ago. We need your helpful and thorough editing. PamD 09:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Absolutely, BHG, there are too many elections and not enough yous. Hope life is treating you well elsewhere, meanwhile. ——Serial Number 54129 10:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Per nominations. Even though I've never interacted with this user or haven't joined until April 2024 (8 months after BrownHairedGirl was blocked by Arb Com), I've seen what she has done to Misplaced Pages in 2021-2023 and I think she did an awesome job at Misplaced Pages. You could come back and return to Misplaced Pages sometime between today and a few years time. PEPSI697 💬 | 📝 10:24, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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