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==Post requires more notable sources== | |||
Hi there! I'm writing a page about Cooper's Hawk Winery and Restaurants, a restaurant chain in the Midwest. Before writing, I followed formats that other restaurant chains used for their Misplaced Pages pages. While I referenced Cooper's Hawk's website a few times, I also included more outside sources from reputable websites and newspapers. In fact, the number of third-party sources I used was more than what I found for other restaurant chains. | |||
In the end, the page was rejected, and the reasoning was because I did not include enough third party sources, and it sounded like an advertisement. I've since revised the content and taken out phrases that may seem bias, but I'm not sure what to do about the number of sources. If I add more third party sources (I have six right now), it will make the page longer, and increase the risk of it sounding like an advertisement. | |||
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! ] (]) 13:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Account Verificaction== | |||
Hello, | |||
I created my Misplaced Pages page about a month ago and I was told by someone that I have to edit random pages for a week in order to get verified by Misplaced Pages. I've been editing pages for three weeks now and yet nothing has happened. I think I was told the wrong thing to do. so how do I get my page to be verified by Misplaced Pages?] (]) 13:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome to the Teahouse. When you say verified, do you mean the autoconfirmed status that allows you to edit semi protected pages? --] (]) 13:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Thank you, | |||
By verified, I mean that when people try to search for me, lets say Google, my Misplaced Pages information/page should pop up as a search result.] (]) 13:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::I found you quite easily. --] (]) 13:28, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::If you would like to submit ] for review as an article in the encyclopedia then place <code><nowiki>{{subst:submit}}</nowiki></code> at the bottom of the page. New users can do that right away. ] (]) 13:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:thank you so much. Although, Someone just put up my page for speedy deletion. Who and Why?!] (]) 13:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:* Hello and welcome to the Teahouse {{U|Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli}}! It quite frankly doesn't matter ''who'' put it up for deletion, although if you really care you can find that information in the page's ]. I've removed the CSD tag as the page does not qualify for deletion under that criterion. Your request for review, which was a '''good''' move to avoid ] and ] issues, has been declined with a note in the decline message explaining why. Based on that decline by {{U|Timtrent}}, I suggest you read up on our ] guideline. If you need any further assistance, please do let us know and I'm sure someone would be happy to help you. — <span class="nowrap">{{U|]}} <sup>(] • ] • ])</sup></span> 13:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Requesting a re-write of a section== | |||
To whom this might concern, | |||
There is a page I've been consulting on Yugoslavian history "namely "The Balkans") which is poorly written in parts (the English used simply does not make sense in places and the sentences themselves - where they do make sense - are overly long and somewhat confusing). For example: | |||
"Bulgaria insisted on its status quo territorial integrity, divided and shared by the Great Powers next to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) in other boundaries and on the pre-war Bulgarian-Serbian agreement. Provoked by the backstage deals between its former allies Serbia and Greece on allocation the spoils at the end of the First Balkan War, while it fights at the main Thracian Front, Bulgaria marks the beginning of Second Balkan War when attacked them. The Serbs and the Greeks repulse single attacks, but when the Greek army invaded Bulgaria together with an unprovoked Romanian intervention in the back, regardless of the single won battles, Bulgaria collapsed." | |||
here: | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/Balkans#20th_century | |||
How does one request a language 'tidy up' from a knowledgeable subject matter expert (SME)? I have a good command of the English language but, given I am not an SME, I feel it would be unwise for me to embark upon such an edit in case I inadvertently change the author's intended meaning. | |||
Thank you for your time... | |||
] (]) 09:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Conflict of Interest?== | |||
Greetings, Teahousers. I have another basic question that I hope you can help with. I have been a member of a local astronomy club (the Astronomical Society of New South Wales) for some years. I notice that it does not have a[REDACTED] page, and I would like to create one. | |||
Provided I can support notability, etc, is there any conflict of interest being a club member? I have never been a club official, never been paid - just a regular member. Reading the guideline at ] it does not seem to fall within the strict definition, but I want to make sure I get it right. If not a direct COI, should I declare my membership somewhere for transparency? ] (]) 05:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome, {{u|Gronk Oz}}, and thanks for the question. Quoting a section of the COI policy, ''Any external relationship – personal, religious, political, academic, financial, and legal – can trigger a conflict of interest. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Misplaced Pages is governed by common sense. An article about a band should not be written by the band's manager, and a biography should not be written by the subject's spouse. But subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Misplaced Pages.'' I think this addresses two parts of your question. First, yes you technically do have a mild COI as there is a relationship there outside of Misplaced Pages. Since you obviously are not here for the sole purpose of promoting the club, it comes down to the second part of the quote - does common sense tell you that you will be able to neutrally write about the topic? One challenge can be making sure that everything you write about the subject is verifiable - it can be difficult to "forget what you know" and rely on reliable sources. | |||
:If you do choose to write the article, you could consider adding ] to the talk page to encourage a little extra scrutiny. If you wanted to write a draft, feel free to ping me and I can review it for you before it is moved to mainspace. ] (]) 07:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Great, thanks! I will do that; it will take a while to get the draft ready for review, but then I will take you up on your kind offer to review it. --] (]) 08:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==DC Talk Album Chart== | |||
I was trying to do an album chart on the DC Talk page, but it didn't work. Can you help me? | |||
] (]) 21:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hi ], and welcome to the Teahouse. The first big issue is that the <nowiki><timeline></nowiki> tag was misspelled as <nowiki><timeli</nowiki>''m''<nowiki>e></nowiki>. Once that is fixed, the timeline returns a couple syntax errors that need to be fixed. I'm not familiar with using ], so I can't really help you beyond that, but hopefully someone else can help you out if you can't get it. Good luck! '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 21:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Why was my draft declined?== | |||
I made my draft of South East Asian International Airlines (Seair-i) but it was declined. It is a new airline separate from Tigerair Philippines. Why was it declined. Maybe you could perfect it because it doesn't look right and I couldn't fix it. | |||
From ggghhj123 ] (]) 19:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{U|Ggghhj123}}. The reviewer explained that the main problem with your draft is a lack of references to ''independent'' sources required to show notability. The airline's own website is not independent. Find independent coverage and add that to the draft. ] ] 19:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::But if it is a new airline, it is possible that it has not yet been written about in enough places to meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability; if that is the case, {{U|Ggghhj123}}, then Misplaced Pages cannot have an article about it yet. --] (]) 20:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==First article - how do improve it? how do I know if it will be accepted?== | |||
I've edited a few things on Misplaced Pages before, but never drafted an article from scratch for inclusion like I have done for "Edward M Fram" - how do I know if it is "good enough" and how can I improve it? I'm trying to upload a picture for it but am unsure how to do this. Any other suggestions to make it better would be warmly received! | |||
-Ed. ] (]) 18:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello again {{U|EdFram}}. Please read ] for instructions on proper formatting of references. Your user name indicates a possible ]. If so, please declare it. ] ] 19:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==uploading photos== | |||
Hello, really silly question I'm sure ... but how do I go about uploading an image (in simplest way possible please as I'm a newbie!) Thanks in advance, Ed. ] (]) 18:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{U|Edfram}}. There are some things that can't really be simplified, but I will do my best. If ''you'' took the photo yourself, and the photo is of something not subject to copyright, and you are willing to release the photo under an acceptable ], then it is pretty simple. Go to our sister project ], and follow the simple instructions there to upload the photo. After you upload, you will be provided with the proper wikicode that you can copy and paste into a Misplaced Pages article, to display the photo there. | |||
:However, if someone else took the photo, things get much more complicated. We need to know the subject, the date, who took it and where you found it. It is likely you can't use a copyrighted photo. Limited exceptions are described at ]. I tried to keep it as simple as possible. ] ] 19:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for the reply - most helpful :) | |||
I wanted to include a photo for my first article "Edward M Fram" ... the picture dates from c.1952 and it is of the person who the article is written about. It is from my family's old photo collection - can I use the "simple" upload for this in your view? | |||
Thanks ] (]) 19:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::If you are an heir or executor authorized to freely license the photo, then proceed. ] ] 19:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==guidance for academic researchers== | |||
Is it acceptable to create articles about your own research to help communicate its findings to the public (otherwise it remains locked behind paywalls?). (Ii) What makes research notable? (iii) what are the criteria that make an academic notable? Publication? A national Award? Is there any guidance? | |||
I can see that , but as yet I cannot identify specific guidance on academic editing issues. | |||
Are there any? | |||
] (]) 17:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:If your research has not only been officially published, but has also been the subject of '''substantial''' coverage in '''independent''', '''reliable''', sources, it may be suitable for an article. However, you would have a ] in presenting this - for example, you would find it difficult to present a ] if some of that coverage was critical of your research, or presented alternative scenarios. We would not, therefore, recommend that you wrote about your own research.<br />With regard to the notability of academics, please see ] - ] (]) 18:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Bearing in mind the conflict of interest issues raised above, it would be acceptable if you went to an article's talk page and mentioned that a new piece of academic research on the topic is available, providing relevant information. This would allow interested editors to read your work and, if warranted, integrate it into existing pages. Additionally, if you're an academic with expertise in a field, I would strongly encourage you to work on improving articles relevant to your area of interest (steering clear of citing yourself). ] <sup>] | |||
</sup> 19:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Thanks very much both. I have found this about citing your own work: | |||
'Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, includingWP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasison your work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion' | |||
which is helpful. ] (]) 03:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Are decisions on changes made to articles decided by majority or seniority of editors?== | |||
Could someone please explain how the process is supposed to work? | |||
(Article in question - https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Gun_shows_in_the_United_States#Controversies_section_heading) Thank you. ] (]) 17:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Darknipples}} In a way, neither, actually! ] is the primary way of making decisions on Misplaced Pages. Essentially, all decisions should be made based on the input of all participating editors, with an effort to meet all legitimate concerns and make compromises if need be. In cases where things get tough, there are other venues to get third-party opinions from other experienced editors (such as ], ], and ]). Essentially this means that while the majority usually matches up the consensus, it is not just a majority vote that determines decisions, nor are minority viewpoints necessarily left out. See ] for details. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 17:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:: Thanks for the input ]. Should I reach out and talk to each editor/watcher listed for this page, or just wait for a certain period of time for all of them to comment? If a compromise cannot be reached, we will use one of the options you mentioned to resolve the issue. Thank you! ] (]) 17:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::No problem! Eh, I haven't read the discussion, but it seems to be rolling along and getting more than sufficient input. There doesn't look like a need to call for input from other editors at the moment. It's been less than a day, after all. | |||
:::As a side note, as far as I'm aware, you can't tell what users have a page watchlisted. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 18:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
==I have written my first article, but am unsure if I've done it correctly.== | |||
Could someone please take a look at the article I've written about the painter "Richard Earl Thompson". It's my first article and I'm not sure if I'm missing anything I need to include or if I'm formatting correctly. I would like to have an info box in top right, but I'm not sure how to do it. | |||
Thank You, | |||
Jet 16:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:From a quick look, it seems to be like quite a promising draft. One suggestion relates to the tone of the article. It's very nicely written, but on Misplaced Pages we aim for very factual, dispassionate language. So in the introductory paragraph, for instance, you might want to trim down the more visual or emotive language, or details that are not immediately relevant. I would eliminate the interjection about World War I, the stock market collapse, shifts in general attitudes in society, etc. Also, things like "his works are meditations on nature's harmonious perfection, which he visualized in his mind's eye and refined on canvas" is not really appropriate to put in Misplaced Pages's voice. If a reviewer has said these things, you could quote the reviewer, but the encyclopedic voice must be more detached. | |||
:I also noticed that you have many references that repeat. You can solve this problem by naming a reference, rather than spelling the whole thing out each time. See ] for details. Good luck! ] <sup>]</sup> 17:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Thank you for your help Keihatsu. I will try to change the tone as you suggest. Much of the language was from the articles written about him that I have referenced. I referenced his biography many times because I thought it was necessary when using information from the book. How often do I need to reference the book? | |||
I really appreciate your help. | |||
Jet 18:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
::Hello, {{U|Jet1950|Jet}}. Ideally, every piece of information about the topic should be referenced to a source; so any paragraph without a reference is suspect (except in the lede to the article, which usually summarises material from elsewhere in the article); and in some passages every sentence should have a reference. As {{U|Keihatsu}} said, you can use named references to do this (and I've replaced Keihatsu's URL above by a wikilink to the section). You probably want to reference different pages within the same source, and you can use the template {{tl|rp}} to do this. --] (]) 19:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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==VxWorks editing question== | |||
I have been updating VxWorks and now I get a message that the article has many disambiguous links but when I check it says there are none??] (]) 13:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Indefinitely protect Teahouse == | |||
:Hi Robpater. That link is added with the <nowiki>{{dablinks|date=June 2014}}</nowiki> text at the top of the article. If it no longer applies, you can remove it :) ] (]) 13:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{Moved discussion to|Misplaced Pages talk:Teahouse#Indefinitely protect Teahouse}} | |||
== Article for submission == | |||
:Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Hi! Few days back, I created a draft in Afc, ], I havent received any reply. Is there any way to...just have a reviewer to review it? Forgive me if I sounded impatient, Im new here, I dont know all the rules and regulations here, So, a reply would be enough. ---- ] (]) 08:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==How do I delete an upload in progress? == | |||
The page appears but I have not saved it. I accidentally selected a version of my article without a photo. Can I add the photo later, or can I delete the current unsaved version and upload a pdf with the photo? ] (]) 12:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello there. You have to remain patient because drafts will be reviewed by AFC reviewers in a random order so, just like how the draft says it right now, it may take 2 months or more to be reviewed. ] (]|]) 08:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Hi Kmillett, and welcome to the tea house. I'm afraid I'm not quite catching the meaning of your question. Did you try to create a new page, but forgot to upload a photo? If so, don't worry—everything here can be done iteratively. You can save the page, then click edit again to add a photo or any other additional information you'd like. If ever you create a file or a page but then change your mind and want it to be deleted, just add <tt><nowiki>{{db-g7}}</nowiki></tt> to the top and an administrator will delete it for you.] <sup>]</sup> 14:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:While you're waiting, ], there's more work that you can do by yourself. The ISBN is wrong; what's the correct ISBN? Consider this: "they often receive less attention compared to more prominent meteor showers". It strikes me as pretty much a truism. I mean, I know squat about dog breeds, but I'll hazard a guess that lesser-known dog breeds often receive less attention compared to more prominent dog breeds. And the first sentence: What's singular and what's plural? -- ] (]) 08:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Help with Jesse Rose page== | |||
::@] All right, All right, I will correct those mistakes. But the isbn is correct, you can search that isbn in Google and you will get a result. I don't know what's the problem here. ] (]) 08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Hi, | |||
:::], the closest I find at WorldCat is {{OCLC|958134990}}; but this has different editors and no ISBN (correct or incorrect) is specified for it. You're right about getting a result from googling: in fact you understate what Google returns. ( in particular ''should'' be authoritative.) Well then, ] is for you! As for the identities of the editors, here's a wild guess: Are Jenniskens et al perhaps the authors of a particular piece you're citing within the ''Proceedings''? -- ] (]) 08:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::What I meant was this . You are right, It has different authors. I will correct it. But as you can see, the isbn is same. So, How do you use the above template. ] (]) 09:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{od}} Normally, ], I'd say "Just skip any mention of the dud ISBN." But it appears frequently and conspicuously; so if you skipped it somebody might later add it, with the same ill-effect. And therefore I've . (I'm tempted to add "So now you owe me a beer." But of course soliciting for payment, whether of bucks or booze, is a no-no.) NB the place where a conference is held is not necessarily the place ("location" in Misplaced Pages-speak) of publication of a volume of the "proceedings" of the conference. Now I see another note, specifying something on pages 355–356 of ''Meteoroids 2013: Proceedings of the Astronomical Conference.'' What's the title of the particular piece you're citing, and who wrote it? Please try to add this info yourself; if you get stuck, ask here. -- ] (]) 00:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:@] Thanks a lot for rewriting the reference!👍 Now lemme try to find what you mentioned. If I got any problem, I'll just leave a message on your talk page. ----] (]) 05:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I am writing on behalf of the management of Jesse Rose and the article that was written for Jesse Rose was declined. Can somebody please help me and give me some feedback why this was declined? We want to get the page up as soon as possible. Jesse Rose is a DJ/producer and he has been around for a while so there are enough sources and references. | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Jesse_Rose | |||
== Double-checking process for submitting first article? == | |||
] (]) 09:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hi {{u|Sean.holbrook}} and welcome (back?) to the Teahouse. Your article was declined because it does not reach the required threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. To establish that the topic is ], you need to show significant coverage in ] ] sources. At the moment you have two references, one of which is a blog post and doesn't count towards notability. You need to find more people who have written that Jesse Rose deserves attention. You also appear to have a conflict of interest if you are representing Jesse Rose's management - please also read this ]. Good luck!]<sup>♦]</sup> 09:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
I have my first article written and ready to go –– I just want to check a few things? | |||
Hi [[User:Philg88| Thank you for the reply. I am not actually working for the management. It is more like a learning project. I tried to write it as neutral as possible. The two sources I used, I took it from another[REDACTED] page. https://en.wikipedia.org/Electro_house#cite_note-guardian-29 So you recommend to add more sources? | |||
* There's a little notification that says, "Important, do not remove this line before article has been created." Should I remove it before hitting "publish" (since I've written the article now), or does it mean to wait until the article has been approved by an editor? | |||
] (]) 09:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
* I wrote the article in the Misplaced Pages wizard. My understanding is that if I hit "publish," it will go to another volunteer editor for review? It won't automatically appear on Misplaced Pages's home page? The code at the top is subst: AfC submission/draftnew. | |||
] (]) 16:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:{{tping|Sean.holbrook}}. Yes, you need to find more sources according to the criteria I described above. ]<sup>♦]</sup> 12:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to hit "publish" in order to save your draft at all - the name was changed to "publish" some while ago to emphasise that even drafts are public, in that anybody can see them if they go looking. It doesn't mean "Publish to the main encyclopaedia". | |||
:Hello, {{U|Sean.holbrook|Sean}}. I'm afraid it does not make any difference whether you are working for them at present or not: you have told us enough to show that you have a conflict of interest. That doesn't meant that you may not work on the article, but you need to be very very cautious, and make sure you follow the suggested practice for editors with a ]. One more point: you may want to get the article up as soon as possible: Misplaced Pages does not. Misplaced Pages wants to get as good an article as possible (which includes the possibility of no article at all, if sufficient independent sources do not exist) and doesn't care how long that takes: see ]. To me (and I suspect many other editors) when I see somebody saying they want to get an article up as soon as possible, especially if they are connected with the subject, I immediately suspect that they are here for the purpose of ], which is explicitly forbidden on Misplaced Pages. My suggestion would be that you collect independent reliable sources for Jesse Rose, and if you think there are enough to ground an article, submit a request via ], and leave it for somebody else to write when they choose. Then if you would like to help us improve Misplaced Pages, there are many other articles you can work on where you haven't got a conflict of interest. --] (]) 15:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Once you have published (i.e. saved) your draft, have a careful look at whether your sources meet ] and the draft establishes that the subject is ] in Misplaced Pages's sense. If so, there will be a button that you can pick that says "Submit this draft for review" (or some such language). | |||
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 16:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Thank you! I followed your directions and hit published, made a few more edits (added more sources to further establish independence), and then submitted for review, fingers crossed I guess! I appreciate your assistance! ] (]) 17:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::For the curious, ]. And for A&G, the review system is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. ] (]) 20:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== What to do about a user mass-removing content sourced from a certain site == | |||
==Deletion of article== | |||
Would like the know the procedure for requesting deletion of ] as the article has been written about a train that had not been introduced when the article was written and has significant shortcomings. | |||
] (]) 05:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello {{U|Superfast1111}}. You say that the train "had not been introduced when the article was written", which implies that the train is running now. Do you know? The first solution to an article with outdated information is to improve and update the article. If you have the knowledge and the interest, I encourage you to do so. If you are convinced that the topic is not notable, then please follow the instructions at ]. ] ] 05:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::This from the railway company said that service was to begin in early April, 2014. ] ] 05:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hello. I've come across a user whose contributions removing content from articles that source material from a site called "Brenton Film", and from edit summaries the user appears to have some sort of conflict of interest. I am unsure of what to do, what the Misplaced Pages guidelines are for this, and if my concern is even valid. Any advice/help would be appreciated. Thanks - ]] 19:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
True but was it fair to create an article in February 2013 for a service that is introduced in April 2014 & expecting some other editor to clean up / suitably edit the article to a decent standard. Why should credit of an article creation go to a fake article? | |||
] (]) 07:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Superfast1111}} ] outlines our policy on articles about things that have yet to come. Essentially, articles on future things are acceptable as long as they are ] and are almost certain to take place. Just because something hasn't taken place yet doesn't necessarily mean it's not worthy of an article, nor does it make it "fake" or anything of that sort. The way I like to look at it is if the future event were to be cancelled, it would still have received enough coverage to be notable enough for Misplaced Pages. | |||
:As for the "credit of an article creation", I'm not sure what the issue is there. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative encyclopedia, and nothing is stopping anyone from improving the article now that it needs updating. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 07:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Superfast1111}} I've added two references to the article. Whereever possible, it's always best to try to find references rather than consider deletion an option. ]<sup>♦]</sup> 07:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. The IP's grounds for objecting to the site don't seem relevant (sources can be biased ''and'' reliable), but I doubt whether Brenton Film counts as a ] in the first place. It looks to me like a Blog, or at any rate an ]. I suggest asking at ]. ] (]) 19:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==want to add two header rows to a two-column format== | |||
Hi, | |||
== Subpages (User), remove redirect == | |||
I'm trying to set up a double column to show the name of an office-holder in one column, and the years of service in the second column. I've found out how to do that. | |||
Hi, how do you remove redirects from (1) subpages to pages and (2) from subpage to subpage? I have difficulty with this logic as it is now. | |||
However, I would also like to have two header rows that span both columns, to have the name of the office in the top row, and some detail about the office in the second row. | |||
Case 1: Page ] points to the lemma ] and keeps showing as a "subpage", how to remove/unlink this? | |||
Is this possible to do (without much knowledge of formatting)? | |||
Case 2: Page ] points to ], but why when the second page has a dedicated name? | |||
Here's what I would like it to look like: ]. I looked at the code for those columns, though, and there seems to be a lot of data built into them, so I can't just use them as a template. | |||
What I intend is to simply create subpages as notes; if one of them has "article qualities", it can be moved to the main page, but will the redirect still be set? How can I undo it? Thanks! | |||
Thanks! | |||
] (]) 19: |
] (]) 19:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
:{{u|17387349L8764}}: you have created two subpages of your own user page, both redirects. (I cannot think of any purpose that would be achieved by doing this, which rather hampers me in giving advice.) One of them was to another redirect, and was automatically rerouted by a robot to avoid the double redirect. If you don't want these redirects to exist, you can just blank them - they're your own subpages, and no-one will mind, or even notice. I don't know what you mean by "will the redirect still be set?". If you blank the content of a redirect, it ceases to be a redirect. ] (]) 23:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Hi Mr Serjeant Buzfuz. It sounds like you want the below which uses colspan="2". See more at ]. ] (]) 20:43, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Hi, there was no particular reason. I think the auto-redirect caused the confusion. Because I moved the article once some time ago, I left it and lost to see the "mechanics" behind it. It all works now, i.e. removing the #redirect and using u1 to remove "used" subpages. ] (]) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
:{{to|17387349L8764}} A page is made into a ] simply by putting the text {{code|#redirect ]|wikitext}} at the top (as the very first text contained in the page, nothing before it). This redirects it to whatever page name is inside the {{code| ]|wikitext}}—] here. That's it! Magic! To make it not-a-redirect anymore, you just edit the page to remove the {{code| #redirect|wikitext}} thing. Important: this means '''editing the redirected page itself, ''not''''' the page it is "pointing at" (redirected to). To edit your user sandbox: {{-r|User:17387349L8764/sandbox|follow this link}}. Remove that {{code| #redirect|wikitext}} part and ''voila''. | |||
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:Your "]" is considered "yours" and you can do whatever with it (as long as it's "productive" Misplaced Pages Stuff). If you want any pages in it deleted such as {{-r| User:17387349L8764/List of requirements engineering tools}} just add the text <code>{{tl|u1}}</code> at the top of the page and an ] will come along and take care of it. I suggest trying out ] if you haven't as it makes easier this and many other Misplaced Pages tasks. | |||
! colspan="2" | A | |||
:For a list of every page in your "userspace" have a look at: ]. And to look up info about editing WP and how to do various things try ]. You're also of course welcome to ask for assistance here or the ], or ], and ] can direct you to other venues to find assistance as well. I hope you have a good day and if you have more questions ask away! --] (]) 04:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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::Thank you for this absolutely clear description. This helps me a lot. The German Misplaced Pages does some things differently, so I have to remember in both spheres. Twinkle is activated and I may use the subpages more often when I see potential to prepare an article. I will bookmark the question/answer. Have a nice day. ] (]) 11:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:::Ah, in that case note also plenty of "project space" pages have ] as articles do, to go between "equivalent" pages on different language editions. So if you're more fluent in another language you might find it helpful to start from "help" pages in that, and go to the en version. (Note interlang links are kept centralized on ] if you're not aware.) --] (]) 21:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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== About My Draft (]) == | |||
::HI, PrimeHunter. Thanks for the response. However, I'm not sure a table will work, because I want to list several officer-holders, like the example of the US Supreme Court justices. That article displays 3 or 4 columns side-by-side. Is it possible to have 3 or 4 tables side-by-side? ] (]) 02:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Shall I consider the comment left by ]? When I fix up articles, I only really look at the reason that was provided in the decline box. In this case, it was "This submission provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter. Please see the guide to writing better articles for information on how to better format your submission." If I fixed up this issue and this issue only, would the page have a higher chance of being accepted? Also, I'm not really sure how to interpret this statement. Are my explanations insufficient? Are they considered hard to properly interpret to the average reader? I also may need some help with the 'Analysis' section because the scholarly analyses I've found on ] that revolve around the film and its cultural impact are paid. ] (]) 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::{{ping|Mr Serjeant Buzfuz}}You can put tables side by side by essentially putting those tables within another table. A simpler way to do this, though, is to use the ], as the Supreme Court Justices example does. See the ] for an idea of how it works. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 08:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|LeGoldenBoots}} Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, your draft would have a higher chance of being accepted if you fixed that problem. It's not a guarantee though—different reviewers have different opinions. As to how you fix the problem, the best thing to do is to imagine that you've never seen ''The Shining''. I, for instance, have never seen it, and I am a bit confused by the draft. For example, I have no idea why "Here's Johnny!" was said, what scene it was in, why it's repeated so many times, etc. There are some comments you might want to look at on the draft. If you need to access certain paywalled sources, you should be eligible for the ], which might grant you access to those sources, or you could ask at ]. Happy editing! <span style="border-radius:3em;padding:5px;background:#483D8B;">''']''']</span> 00:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: Yes, that's why I initially asked about using columns. But, I still don't know how to have a single cell at the top of a two-column display, the same as the Supreme Court justices example does. ] (]) 20:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::@] Alright, I had made some edits here and there to the page; particularly in the "Imagery and phrases" section. I also changed some of the vocabulary I used in sections of the article, courtesy of the comment left by ]. Would the page be in a good spot to be properly submitted now considering I fixed the issues described in the decline box, thanks to your explanation of what that really meant. (Thanks!), or should that be left for me to decide? ] (]) 01:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::{{ping|LeGoldenBoots}} It's still a bit confusing. My suggestion is to have a "Plot" or "Background" section in the beginning, right after the lead, where you briefly describe the plot and the characters of the film. This section doesn't need to be cited, but it could help clear up some of the confusion as to what character does what. <span style="border-radius:3em;padding:5px;background:#483D8B;">''']''']</span> 01:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Will do. Thank you. ] (]) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{od}} {{U|LeGoldenBoots}}, I thought I'd clean up a single, very short paragraph, as a demonstration of one kind of the work needed. But I was stumped by "Another similarity is the axe-murdering Salamanca twins, in contrast to the axe-murdered Grady twins." Maybe there's a similarity, maybe there's a contrast, maybe there's even both. But if there are both, then say so directly; don't make the sentence look as if you started it with one idea but reversed yourself less than a dozen words later. Elsewhere in the same section, the draft says that the film ''Ready Player One'' "features a plentiful of references" to the film ''The Shining''. I suppose "features" means "has" or "shows", but your use here of "plentiful" is alien to me. (For me, and ], it's an adjective, not a noun.) Perhaps it's just the result of a sleepy and incomplete rewording; but whatever the reason for it, I recommend that you slowly read the draft aloud; and where it sounds strange, rewrite. Best of luck! -- ] (]) 02:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:Alright, thank you for the clarification! ] (]) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
==Empty string== | |||
==How do I site a source?== | |||
Please copy the following question over for me: | |||
I'm having a lot of trouble siting my sources. I have still done the ref thing. Can someone help me? | |||
Having a strange interaction at ] with an editor who seems not to be able to read or understand guidelines; I don’t really know how to talk to a person who thinks is mandated by the MOS. Advice (or, even better, weighing in gently somewhere) requested. (Is this bad use of punctuation ''explicitly'' ruled out somewhere in MOS? Anything that requires interpretation or reading comprehension seems like it would be hard to convey to them.) ] (]) 13:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 18:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:So try, straightforwardly and of course with no hint of sarcasm, on ]. -- ] (]) 00:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Alt accounts == | |||
:Hello ], and welcome to the Teahouse! To cite a source, just add this next to the passage you're citing: | |||
So I know that some users on Misplaced Pages have alternative accounts. Is there a criteria that someone has to meet in order to legitimately have an alt account? ] (]) 00:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
<pre> | |||
<ref>Your citation here</ref> | |||
</pre> | |||
:{{ping|RedactedHumanoid}} see ]. There's no specific criteria, but sock accounts not meeting any of those bullets are at best frowned upon. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 00:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Next, go to the bottom of the page, add a section called "References", and then add {{t|Reflist}} there. Very simple! | |||
::Alright, thanks. ] (]) 00:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== A general question == | |||
:If you have any further questions, you can check out the ], or just ask again here. --''']''' (] | ]) 18:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Another useful resource, {{U|Spacedude3000}}, is ]. ] ] 23:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hi! I was just wondering, Why are there a lot of articles with no references, Aren't there 'new page reviewers'? Why did they accept articles without references? ] (]) 05:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Creating my first page on Misplaced Pages== | |||
:Hello @]. ] users can post articles without having them reviewed. The ] backlog is also 11,000+ and growing, so it might take a while for articles to be reviewed. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 06:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Hi, I work in the tourism business in Ireland. I see several instances where I could add pages to Misplaced Pages. I tried to create my first page some time back to learn the process. I found the experience frustrating. I will have another go and see how it goes. I felt there should be a simple template for novices to add basic pages. Possible more experienced editors could then add to the pages..... just my experience. ] (]) 18:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::{{u|Warriorglance}}, ] is available for your use to draw attention to such articles. Even better, you can add references to reliable sources yourself. ] (]) 06:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::@] Ok, I know that, but why is 'Afc' there? Can you please explain the differences? ] (]) 06:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::{{ping|Warriorglance}} ] is an option that editors may use when creating articles, and it's often recommended that those (particularly new or newish editors) without sufficient experience in article creation take advantage of it because it can help them avoid having their efforts being quickly deleted if they try to add a new article directly to the encyclopedia themselves. The AfC process allows users to receive feedback on drafts for potential articles and perhaps in the process learn some more about Misplaced Pages editing. It's not a perfect system but it can be helpful to some; in addition, it's also a way to try to minimize the number of bad articles (e.g. excessively promotional articles) being added to the encyclopedia. As for ], Misplaced Pages has more than six million articles and all Wikipedians are volunteers working in areas that interest them; those involved with NPP probably do whate they can whenever they can, but their efforts will almost always never be enough because there's simply more pages being created than there are NPP people to look them over. All Misplaced Pages articles are in a sense "new" pages since articles can change (sometimes drastically) from one minute to the next; moreover, all Wikipedians are in a sense "new page patrollers" because they all have the ability to either improve/clean up existing articles or tag/propose/nominate them for deletion. An unreferenced article could be an article that was bad from the start and needs to be deleted; it could be an article that started out OK but morphed into something worse over the years that just needs to be returned to its better state; or, it could be an article that has lots of potential that just needs some one to come along and devote some time to. Figuring out what is what is one of the things that Misplaced Pages will always have to deal with because from the very beginning it was sent up to not be a peer-reviewed publication with some sort of central editorial or approval board. -- ] (]) 06:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::To be clear, {{u|Warriorglance}}, use of the Articles for Creation process is ''entirely optional'' for a large majority of active editors and is mandatory only for paid editors and those with an overt conflict of interest, and for new editors who are not yet autoconfirmed. I have written over 100 new articles and never once used the AfC process. ] (]) 07:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::There's also the fact that ], so there are a lot of articles that were created under much, much more permissive conditions than we're used to today. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 19:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== chatgpt article == | |||
:Hi Poshpaddy! Welcome to the teahouse. Thank you for letting us know about your experience. --] (]) 18:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
] definitely has many issues that i stumbled upon: first off his title "Maharaja" was added in a move by a certain user ] who claimed the original title was "misspelled". I moved it back. | |||
::Hello ]. I think the page ] might help you in creating new pages. Of course, ] scares a lot of newcomers, so that's what the Teahouse is here for! And you're more than welcome to fool around with the code at the ]. Once you get used to the markup language, you'd be amazed at how much we can do with it. Happy editing! --''']''' (] | ]) 18:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Welcome to the Teahouse, {{U|Poshpaddy}}. Another good resource for people learning how to write articles here is ]. ] ] 20:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Now my question is, this same user has added a large amount of information in "Legacy" section which is so obviously chatgpt that i'd rather draftify than leave it sitting in article space. "fostered", "enhanced", "unity", etc etc... and its last point is the nail in the coffin which confirms it being an llm, not to mention it is completely unsourced. | |||
==Requesting assessment== | |||
Is there any place where you can request quality assessments for particular articles? Obviously, GA and FA articles have specific reviews but I'd like to know whether articles - particularly articles I've created - are Start-class or C-class or B-class etc. | |||
Do i go ahead and ] remove the content in question, or should i draftify because the article truly doesn't look like it belongs in article space. ] (]) 16:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I suppose if there's a particular article I have in mind, it would be ] (presumably start/stub) or ]. But very few of articles created by me have been rated, and I'd imagine there's some rule against rating articles you've created or worked substantially on. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 17:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:@] The article has been around since 2007, so you can't ] it. You can remove unsourced material, add {{t|cn}} tags or send it to ] and you should definitely expand your concerns on its Talk Page. ] (]) 16:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I normally rate an article I've worked on as C-class if I think it's appropriate. I wouldn't rate an article I've worked on as B-class or higher; it wouldn't really be appropriate (though I don't think there are specific rules about it). | |||
::After going through the edit history on the article, I would restore the version before Rohan began editing, as their edits also removed some sourced content. ] ] 16:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== help wanted! == | |||
:The best way, perhaps, is to add the article to appropriate WikiProjects, and if it hasn't been rated there yet, it will be eventually, by the members of that WikiProject. If it already has a rating at that WikiProject, you could ask at the WikiProject for it to be re-rated? Some have particular processes for this. --] (]) 18:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Greetings, | |||
==What to do with an IP's userpage== | |||
I noticed a completely ] article being created on an IP's userpage - ]. The page was created by ] and not the IP. | |||
I have an outstanding extended-confirmed-protect edit request that is one of several needed for a page that has been subjected to a rigorous crtique by the organization of the subject of the page. However, there is no editor with extended-confirmed status paying attention to my efforts. I need a volunteer with that editorial status to work with me to more expediently approve or critique my editorial efforts on that page. Any editor with an interest in and understanding of media bias is especially invited to help, as it is the leitmotif of the subject of this page and the controversy surrounding her. | |||
If this article was located in the main namespace, I'd know what to do - tag with {{t|db-a7}}. But the template only applies for articles in the main namespace, and ] reminded me by not showing me the option to tag the page as such. | |||
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to help! | |||
What would I do in this situation? The article wasn't even made by the IP - what deletion template should I use? | |||
] (]) 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:] in case anyone is interested. ] (]) 18:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I just tagged it csd U5...not a webhost violation. That should do it, but an admin might have a different idea. ] (]) 16:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::...which is under ]. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 18:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::yes, that is why it requires an extended-confirmed editor to authorize edits...I'm only about half way to the 500-edit mark so I need an editor who's "made the grade" to respond to my edit requests ] (]) 20:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::there is no "talk" on her talk page....my edit request just sits there with the crickets ] (]) 20:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::To be fair, ] '''did''' respond to your edit request. You just didn't like their response, and said so in no uncertain terms. I can't blame them for stepping back, and I'm certainly not interested in working on it after seeing your response. Only 7 editors who have that talk page on their watchlist have visited it in the last month. Maybe one of the other 6 will respond. ] (]) 05:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::Ultraodan did not want to do the homework, and said so. A ten-page critique of this webpage has been issued by Alison Weir's organization which started the thread. Anyone who takes the time to read it will be in a position to judge whether what is being represented as Alison Weir's views are truly her views or a tendentious distortion of her views, very poorly sourced, I should add. ] (]) 06:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Please don't assume what I am or am not willing to do. I explained my problems on the talk page and left when it became clear it wasn't worth my free time to deal with it. @] gave some good advice about that below this. ] (]) 07:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::I also saw the request and the response. And decided it was not worth my time to help someone who who reacted like that. ] (]) 16:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::I don't edit in contentious topics full stop if I can help it. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 06:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::then don"t! ] (]) 06:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::::We're all volunteers. If you want to find someone to volunteer their time and effort to help you then perhaps you should have explained what your edit request was about '''before''' taking the first person to respond to task for not reading your mind. Starting your response off with {{tq|I cannot tell you how disappointed I am in your response to my edit request. You seem to be totally unaware of the purpose behind the edit request}} is not a good start and is not likely to convince anyone to help. ] (]) 07:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::::ultraodan had made a previous edit to the page in response to my request, during which my rationale was cited, so he wasn't a complete stranger to it....that said, I believe the ten-page critique of this[REDACTED] entry by Weir's organization is necessary reading for anyone working on revising this page in response to it, and that's not every editor's cup of tea ] (]) 17:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:{{u|Kenfree}}, I had a look at your request and the following discussion. I found it confusing. You want some text moved, but it's not clear what text: the text you want moved is not indented or otherwise distinguished from the request above it. Later, it says "END OF QUOTE", but there's no corresponding start of quote. I expect I could puzzle it out with enough effort; but like everyone else here I'm a volunteer, and I have better uses for my time. | |||
==Just curious.== | |||
:tl;dr: If you want someone to help you, make it clear what it is you want. ] (]) 09:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Ok, it looks like you were reading pretty far past the actual edit request, so I have reformatted to distinguish the edit request per se from the responsive commentary. Please let me know if this suffices. ] (]) 17:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Please see ] - you don't have to do anything, in which case the same box will appear to the next patrolling editor who views the page.<br />However, if the page looks "appropriate for Misplaced Pages, even if it requires significant work" you can mark it as patrolled, or you can propose it for deletion, or, if it needs certain work, you can tag it with the appropriate tag(s). - ] (]) 16:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Cover art == | |||
==Changing user name' capitalization== | |||
How do I change the capitalization of my user name? When I originally signed up as a member, I did not capitalize my user name. Misplaced Pages automatically capitalized it. How do I un-capitalize it? | |||
Hello! I was wondering if I can add a screenshot from a music video to the infobox for a music single page that doesn't have an artwork, for example "]" and "]". If I could, I'd also use the ] page to upload the screenshot right? ] (]) 19:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 21:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Correct. It'll be ], so make sure you fill out a proper ]. ] (]) 20:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Hi data, welcome to the Teahouse. The first character of user names is automatically capitalized. I see you have found how to customize your signature. You can place {{tl|lowercase title}} on ] and ] to display the page heading in lower case, but that is all you can do. Logs like user contributions and page histories will always show it in upper case. You can type the name in lower case when you log in but others will not see what you typed. ] (]) 22:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Okayy thank you so much!. ] (]) 04:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==How to promote an article to c-class== | |||
:: Thank you ]. I suppose I cannot change the capitalization of any non-initial characters either? ] (]) 23:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
How do I promote an article (]) to c-class. ] (]) 03:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Article class assessments are done by specific ] based upon their own sets of criteria. You'd need to go to the relevant WikiProject(s) and raise the issue with them. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 04:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Only the first character is automatically capitalized. The others are as they were entered at account creation. Changes can be requested at ]. ] (]) 23:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::{{U|Jéské Couriano}}, this doesn't seem to be true any more. These days the AfC reviewer is invited both to add project templates to a fresh article's talk page, and to specify a (single) quality class (whether "stub" or near or far above this) for the article, a class that thereupon propagates to all the project templates. Certainly the promotion-to-article process doesn't point out to the reviewer that standards may differ among projects, let alone encourage the reviewer to read up on the respective standards and act according to what's written. (Actually I've pretty much stopped specifying classes myself. Most recent example: ].) -- ] (]) 04:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Answering {{yo|Sushidude21!}}'s question: edit the ] page. Near the top change "class=Start" to "class=C". I believe the change is justified. A formal evaluation is not required. ] (]) 09:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Is this article based on a podcast acceptable as a source for a BLP draft == | |||
:::: Thank you! ] (]) 23:49, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hi, I have been working on a draft article and wanted to know if and how this synopsis of a podcast episode can be added. | |||
==create new article== | |||
How to create an article including a 13-page booklet? Thx | |||
] (]) 18:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
https://www.stewardshipcommons.com/article/rajeev-peshawaria/2024/08/29/ep-5-bhargav-sri-prakash-on-digital-vaccines-and-the-future-of-healthcare | |||
:Hello, {{U|Stuart roche44|Stuart}}. I'm afraid you'll have to be more explicit. What 13-page booklet, and why? I confess I can't think of any circumstances in which this would be appropriate to a Misplaced Pages article, but if you clarify what you are trying to do, somebody can advise you here. --] (]) 21:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
I would also welcome any feedback about the draft | |||
==Soundtrack deleted on Commons.== | |||
Hi, I uploaded the Main menu theme of the first person shooter computer game ] to Commons, if everyone can download it on soundcloud profile, one of the UT2004 composers, why was it deleted?.] (]) 15:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Krokuss}} Welcome to the Teahouse. Simply put, uploading soundtracks to commons violates copyright. All commons media is under the CC-BY-SA (or an even freer license). This essentially means that anyone can take the said soundtrack and use it however they want, even to make money. They can even modify it as long as their new work is also under the CC-BY-SA. Such a license is also permanent and irrevocable. Soundtracks are almost never under this license, so the one that you uploaded is a copyright violation. Also, bear in mind that being free to access doesn't mean free to reuse. --'''] (]) ''' 15:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Thank you, | |||
==Can I remove AfD template?== | |||
] (]) 05:04, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I want to convert an article that is currently under AfD to a redirect. Of course, that means I have to replace all the content with a redirect template. But then I would be removing the AfD template from the article, which is prohibited for a non-admin. How do I get out of this knot? ] (]) 09:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:This looks to be a user contributed content platform, and so would not count as a reliable source. However in general, a podcast from a trustworthy organisation (eg a journal) or from a recognised and proven expert in the topic could be considered as a source. Peer-reviewed material, reviews, or carfully edited material would be superior. ] (]) 09:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Possibility to see number of edits for each space == | |||
:Now that the discussion is underway, it would be best to propose the redirect in the AfD discussion rather than doing it immediately. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 10:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
I'd like to know if there are a mean to see the number of edits for each space. <br /> | |||
==I recieved an error while trying to replace a citation== | |||
When I'm talking about space. I'm talking for example about the '''"Mainspace"''' and '''"Talk-Pages"'''. ] (]) 07:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I am having trouble understanding how to properly replace an old citation with a more relevant one. Specifically, "The named reference". | |||
:Hi @]: presumably you mean ''your'' edits (in different namespaces)? In which case, you can see that info (for en.wiki) here: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Anatole-berthe -- ] (]) 07:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Link to the page with the error - https://en.wikipedia.org/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States#Notes_and_references | |||
== Orphan == | |||
] (]) 04:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{U|Darknipples}}. We have a way of defining a reference once, and then using it multiple times in an article, by using "ref name=" in the wikicode. In this case, a master reference was defined as "Clinton pushes Congress to pass new gun control legislation". Probably what happened was that a reference was created with that name, and used several times in the article. During the course of editing over time, the master reference was deleted, but not the secondary use of the reference. So, there are two solutions: restore the master reference from the article history if it is a solid reference, or delete the secondary use of the reference. Because articles related in any way to gun control legislation are highly controversial and subject to ArbCom restrictions, I recommend caution, and that you raise the matter on the article's talk page first. ] ] 05:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hello. I have translated and published an article from Misplaced Pages in Japanese about ], a cafe staffed by actors. I think the quality and quantity of this article is plenty good, and the subject is humorous, notable and worth introducing. However, at the moment it is an orphan. (This is the same situation with the original Japanese article, which has almost no links to the original article.) | |||
"restore the master reference from the article history if it is a solid reference, or delete the secondary use of the reference." | |||
Is there any good source of links to the article anywhere, or if you have any good ideas, please let me know. Thank you very much. ] (]) 09:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I am unaware as to how to do either of these, as I am a novice. Any suggestions on where to obtain step by step instructions for accomplishing either of these two options? | |||
:Perhaps it could be linked from articles on the actors, or from the location it is in. Or maybe an article like ] if it is now a museum.] (]) 09:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Thank you very much for your advice. ] (]) 10:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== changes from germany during ww2 to nazi germany specifically == | |||
"Because articles related in any way to gun control legislation are highly controversial and subject to ArbCom restrictions, I recommend caution, and that you raise the matter on the article's talk page first." | |||
Hi there! Going through recent changes, I've been seeing a lot of edits tagged as possible vandalism that change links to germany to nazi germany, or similar. Examples include and . I've been a bit of a lurker here on[REDACTED] for a while, but I don't edit a lot and I'm unfamiliar with our guidelines for this. Should ] be linked, perhaps specifically to ], or should ] itself be linked? Thanks, ] (]) 12:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
How do I access the article's talk page? Thank you for your help. Your advice is very appreciated. I love[REDACTED] and wish to learn how to contribute properly. Thank you! ] (]) 06:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Hello again, {{U|Darknipples}}. Please read ] for the basics of how references are formatted. | |||
:I think it’s inappropriate in these cases. It would be due and relevant the political climate is discussed/relevant, for example they served in the army, or experienced food shortage as a result of being in Nazi Germany. ~ 🦝 ] (he/him • ]) 12:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::When you are reading any Misplaced Pages article, there will be a menu bar at the top of the page. One of the choices will be called "Talk". Clicking on "Talk" will take you to another, behind the scenes, page. That is where editors interested in that page discuss possible changes to improve the article. Because you are a novice, I am willing to make the correction for you. Or you can try it yourself. Just let us know. The main thing I want you to understand is that you are welcome to make positive changes to any article here. Your input is appreciated, and we want you to edit. But I also want you to know that editing in highly controversial areas can be tough at times. Kind of like stepping into a boxing ring for the first time, although the punches are verbal rather than physical. I want you to be prepared, and I hope that you will continue editing here. Please feel free to return to the Teahouse with questions at any time, or ask on my talk page. Five years ago, I was in your shoes as a complete beginner, and I was grateful to get a friendly welcome. I wish you well. ] ] 06:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Changing name of draft == | |||
::::To find the reference in the history, you click on "History" or "View history" at the top of the page and pick some arbitrary date and see if the reference had all the needed information on that date. If it doesn't, you would want to search earlier if the reference was already deleted or later if it hadn't been included at all yet.— ] • ] • ] • <br /> 21:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hello! I'm new to creating Wiki articles. Is there a way to change the name of this draft from Caitlin McCarthy (activist) to Caitlin McCarthy (writer)? Thank you! Link: ] ] (]) 12:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Logo Images== | |||
:This is done via a ]; I have moved it to ]. ] (]) 12:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I have updated a logo that represents VxWorks and completed the form but got a message that there was a problem. Mt attempts have been deleted. I am not sure how I am suppose to tag this image to make it acceptable.] (]) 18:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I would note that the specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant; it will be placed at the proper title when accepted. ] (]) 13:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Hello {{U|Robpater}}, it appears that it was deleted because it's the same as "File:VxWorks symbol by Wind River Systems.png". --] <sup>]</sup> 18:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hello, @]. You will need to remove all the ] from the text. If a link is to a ] which verifies a specific piece of information about McCarthy, then convert it into a ]. If it is to a general topic that Misplaced Pages has an article about (such as ]) then convert it into a Wikilink. Otherwise, get rid of it. ] (]) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Page rejected == | |||
Thanks AmaryllisGardener. How do I access it when I want to use it? Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:{{ping|Robpater}} Like this: <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>. Just be careful, and follow the guidelines about ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 21:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
As it seems like advertisement. | |||
==best way to find articles that need edits, that also match my interests== | |||
My interests are as follows: US politics, economics, fantasy and science fiction, sustainable development, social media, biology, and internet culture. What's the best way to quickly find articles in my interest area that need my help? I want to edit other people's articles for awhile before writing my own article. | |||
] (]) |
My username is: Saurabh zadoo ] (]) 14:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
:Hi {{u|NerdGirl1988}} and welcome back to the Teahouse. I don't think that anyone could accuse you of having too narrow a set of interests! You might like to join some of the ]s associated with these topics - a couple to start you off - ], ]. There is a complete list ]. You should find plenty of like-minded people at the projects you choose and plenty of scope for your talents. Good luck! ]<sup>♦]</sup> 19:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Welcome to the teahouse {{u|NerdGirl1988}}. Another tool you might want to check out is ] SuggestBot can look at your edit history and can give you suggestions for articles that need work and that match your interests based on your edit history. For example, I've edited a lot of articles on Information Technology, OOP, and AI so the last time I asked SuggestBot for suggestions it gave me those kinds of articles as you can see on my talk page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:MadScientistX11#Articles_you_might_like_to_edit.2C_from_SuggestBot The more you edit the more SuggestBot has to work with and gives you better suggestions. I think there is also a way to "seed" SuggestBot by asking it to give you ideas and giving it one or more categories to look at. The documentation explains all that, it's very easy to use. --] (]) 14:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Hi @], you just came onto the #wikipedia-en-help live chat channel. As we stated, your draft is absolutely promotional and will be correctly deleted. Carefully read our criteria for inclusion at ] and then read guidance on writing an autobiography at ]. We highly discourage autobiographical writing. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 15:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
: Depends on how you want to drive it. Are you looking for articles you're interested in? Articles needing help the most? Or content that you have to offer? | |||
: The suggestions that you've been given so far are good. They're mostly about overlapping interest. If you look at things like "vital articles" lists (and asking on projects can be helpful) then you might also find great lists of articles that have been started but aren't at the quality that their significance really warrants. | |||
: Another approach, which is how I generally work, is to ignore WP and just read stuff elsewhere. Then when I discover the fascinating history of the left-handed monkey wrench, I check to see if ] is already covering this, and if not I add it. The advantages to this are primarily that it encourages me to carefully read cover-to-cover the vast number of interesting books I've bought over the years, but still haven't opened. Secondly, when I'm adding the content to WP, I already have good sources ready to hand. ] (]) 14:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Draft Improvement == | |||
==Tool to order citations numerically== | |||
Hi! I was wondering if there was a tool to order the citations at the end of a sentence from: "I like pancakes." to "I like pancakes. Thanks! ] (]) 13:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hi everyone, please I would like to know where in this article ] should be improved. | |||
:Welcome back to the Teahouse, Bananasoldier! I don't believe there is a tool for that, but we have some very talented coders around here on Misplaced Pages who I'm sure would be willing to make one and help improve the editing experience. Happy editing! <font face="webdings"><font color="#007FFF">ö</font></font><font face="segoe script">] ] ]</font> 19:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
] 17:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Bananasoldier}} Hi. It seems that I'm a bit late, but there's a very simple way to do this. If we have <nowiki><ref name = "ref32"/><ref name = "ref15"/><ref name = "ref9"/>, then we can change this to <ref name = "ref9"/><ref name = "ref15"/><ref name = "ref32"/> to produce your desired output.</nowiki> --'''] (]) ''' 13:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Automatic Custom Signoff == | |||
==How do I find a volunteer to have a wiki page edited, updated, and written better? Thanks== | |||
How does one go about having a wiki page improved i.e. adding a photo, improve the writing and information as well as update? It's a bout a race car driver. | |||
Thanks!] (]) 21:49, 19 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome (back?) to the Teahouse ]! You can't necessarily get someone to "volunteer" to have a wiki page edited, but you can get someone from the ] to improve your articles' writing, like you said. Maybe some more experienced Wikipedians know if there are "volunteers" on Misplaced Pages. Cheers! ] • ] 00:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hey! I'm not sure if this is something that someone is able to do, but I have seen stuff that leads me to believe that people are able to set it so their custom made sign-off automatically appears rather than the normal one. It's a pain having to copy-paste my sign-off every time just to look cool... hah... ] <sub>] ]</sub> 18:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Also, you can do it yourself if you have the time, suitable reference material, and the inclination. One of the strengths of Misplaced Pages is that all sorts of people can contribute to it. Click the "Edit" tab at the top of the page you want to change, then "Show preview" once you're done to be sure it worked like you intended before Saving your changes. Registering as a user is optional, but recommended. Need help? Click on the "Help" link at left, or of course you can ask here... --] (]) 07:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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:Hi @], see ] for instructions. ] ] 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
::@], thank you!!!!! ] <sub>] ]</sub> 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Hi! Few days back, I created a draft in Afc, Draft:Kappa Ursae Majorids, I havent received any reply. Is there any way to...just have a reviewer to review it? Forgive me if I sounded impatient, Im new here, I dont know all the rules and regulations here, So, a reply would be enough. ---- Warriorglance (talk) 08:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello there. You have to remain patient because drafts will be reviewed by AFC reviewers in a random order so, just like how the draft says it right now, it may take 2 months or more to be reviewed. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 08:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- While you're waiting, Warriorglance, there's more work that you can do by yourself. The ISBN is wrong; what's the correct ISBN? Consider this: "they often receive less attention compared to more prominent meteor showers". It strikes me as pretty much a truism. I mean, I know squat about dog breeds, but I'll hazard a guess that lesser-known dog breeds often receive less attention compared to more prominent dog breeds. And the first sentence: What's singular and what's plural? -- Hoary (talk) 08:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Hoary All right, All right, I will correct those mistakes. But the isbn is correct, you can search that isbn in Google and you will get a result. I don't know what's the problem here. Warriorglance (talk) 08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Warriorglance, the closest I find at WorldCat is OCLC 958134990; but this has different editors and no ISBN (correct or incorrect) is specified for it. You're right about getting a result from googling: in fact you understate what Google returns. (This in particular should be authoritative.) Well then, Template:Listed Invalid ISBN is for you! As for the identities of the editors, here's a wild guess: Are Jenniskens et al perhaps the authors of a particular piece you're citing within the Proceedings? -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- What I meant was this site. You are right, It has different authors. I will correct it. But as you can see, the isbn is same. So, How do you use the above template. Warriorglance (talk) 09:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Warriorglance, the closest I find at WorldCat is OCLC 958134990; but this has different editors and no ISBN (correct or incorrect) is specified for it. You're right about getting a result from googling: in fact you understate what Google returns. (This in particular should be authoritative.) Well then, Template:Listed Invalid ISBN is for you! As for the identities of the editors, here's a wild guess: Are Jenniskens et al perhaps the authors of a particular piece you're citing within the Proceedings? -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Hoary All right, All right, I will correct those mistakes. But the isbn is correct, you can search that isbn in Google and you will get a result. I don't know what's the problem here. Warriorglance (talk) 08:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Normally, Warriorglance, I'd say "Just skip any mention of the dud ISBN." But it appears frequently and conspicuously; so if you skipped it somebody might later add it, with the same ill-effect. And therefore I've fixed the matter for you, and also specified all the authors and the title of the paper you cited. (I'm tempted to add "So now you owe me a beer." But of course soliciting for payment, whether of bucks or booze, is a no-no.) NB the place where a conference is held is not necessarily the place ("location" in Misplaced Pages-speak) of publication of a volume of the "proceedings" of the conference. Now I see another note, specifying something on pages 355–356 of Meteoroids 2013: Proceedings of the Astronomical Conference. What's the title of the particular piece you're citing, and who wrote it? Please try to add this info yourself; if you get stuck, ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Hoary Thanks a lot for rewriting the reference!👍 Now lemme try to find what you mentioned. If I got any problem, I'll just leave a message on your talk page. ----Warriorglance (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Double-checking process for submitting first article?
I have my first article written and ready to go –– I just want to check a few things?
- There's a little notification that says, "Important, do not remove this line before article has been created." Should I remove it before hitting "publish" (since I've written the article now), or does it mean to wait until the article has been approved by an editor?
- I wrote the article in the Misplaced Pages wizard. My understanding is that if I hit "publish," it will go to another volunteer editor for review? It won't automatically appear on Misplaced Pages's home page? The code at the top is subst: AfC submission/draftnew.
Altras&gingerale (talk) 16:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Altras&gingerale, and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to hit "publish" in order to save your draft at all - the name was changed to "publish" some while ago to emphasise that even drafts are public, in that anybody can see them if they go looking. It doesn't mean "Publish to the main encyclopaedia".
- Once you have published (i.e. saved) your draft, have a careful look at whether your sources meet WP:42 and the draft establishes that the subject is notable in Misplaced Pages's sense. If so, there will be a button that you can pick that says "Submit this draft for review" (or some such language).
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! I followed your directions and hit published, made a few more edits (added more sources to further establish independence), and then submitted for review, fingers crossed I guess! I appreciate your assistance! Altras&gingerale (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- For the curious, Draft:Tara Dower. And for A&G, the review system is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! I followed your directions and hit published, made a few more edits (added more sources to further establish independence), and then submitted for review, fingers crossed I guess! I appreciate your assistance! Altras&gingerale (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
What to do about a user mass-removing content sourced from a certain site
Hello. I've come across a user whose contributions all involve removing content from articles that source material from a site called "Brenton Film", and from edit summaries the user appears to have some sort of conflict of interest. I am unsure of what to do, what the Misplaced Pages guidelines are for this, and if my concern is even valid. Any advice/help would be appreciated. Thanks - Imconfused3456 19:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Imconfused3456, and welcome to the Teahouse. The IP's grounds for objecting to the site don't seem relevant (sources can be biased and reliable), but I doubt whether Brenton Film counts as a WP:Reliable source in the first place. It looks to me like a Blog, or at any rate an WP:SPS. I suggest asking at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Subpages (User), remove redirect
Hi, how do you remove redirects from (1) subpages to pages and (2) from subpage to subpage? I have difficulty with this logic as it is now.
Case 1: Page User:17387349L8764/List of requirements engineering tools points to the lemma List of requirements engineering tools and keeps showing as a "subpage", how to remove/unlink this?
Case 2: Page User:17387349L8764/sandbox points to User:17387349L8764/Lost series, but why when the second page has a dedicated name?
What I intend is to simply create subpages as notes; if one of them has "article qualities", it can be moved to the main page, but will the redirect still be set? How can I undo it? Thanks!
17387349L8764 (talk) 19:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- 17387349L8764: you have created two subpages of your own user page, both redirects. (I cannot think of any purpose that would be achieved by doing this, which rather hampers me in giving advice.) One of them was to another redirect, and was automatically rerouted by a robot to avoid the double redirect. If you don't want these redirects to exist, you can just blank them - they're your own subpages, and no-one will mind, or even notice. I don't know what you mean by "will the redirect still be set?". If you blank the content of a redirect, it ceases to be a redirect. Maproom (talk) 23:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, there was no particular reason. I think the auto-redirect caused the confusion. Because I moved the article once some time ago, I left it and lost to see the "mechanics" behind it. It all works now, i.e. removing the #redirect and using u1 to remove "used" subpages. 17387349L8764 (talk) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- To editor 17387349L8764: A page is made into a redirect simply by putting the text
#redirect ]
at the top (as the very first text contained in the page, nothing before it). This redirects it to whatever page name is inside the]
—WP:Example here. That's it! Magic! To make it not-a-redirect anymore, you just edit the page to remove the#redirect
thing. Important: this means editing the redirected page itself, not the page it is "pointing at" (redirected to). To edit your user sandbox: follow this link. Remove that#redirect
part and voila. - Your "userspace" is considered "yours" and you can do whatever with it (as long as it's "productive" Misplaced Pages Stuff). If you want any pages in it deleted such as User:17387349L8764/List of requirements engineering tools just add the text
{{u1}}
at the top of the page and an admin will come along and take care of it. I suggest trying out Twinkle if you haven't as it makes easier this and many other Misplaced Pages tasks. - For a list of every page in your "userspace" have a look at: Special:PrefixIndex/User:17387349L8764. And to look up info about editing WP and how to do various things try Help:Contents. You're also of course welcome to ask for assistance here or the Help desk, or my talk page, and Help:Contents can direct you to other venues to find assistance as well. I hope you have a good day and if you have more questions ask away! --Slowking Man (talk) 04:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for this absolutely clear description. This helps me a lot. The German Misplaced Pages does some things differently, so I have to remember in both spheres. Twinkle is activated and I may use the subpages more often when I see potential to prepare an article. I will bookmark the question/answer. Have a nice day. 17387349L8764 (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, in that case note also plenty of "project space" pages have interlanguage links as articles do, to go between "equivalent" pages on different language editions. So if you're more fluent in another language you might find it helpful to start from "help" pages in that, and go to the en version. (Note interlang links are kept centralized on Wikidata if you're not aware.) --Slowking Man (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for this absolutely clear description. This helps me a lot. The German Misplaced Pages does some things differently, so I have to remember in both spheres. Twinkle is activated and I may use the subpages more often when I see potential to prepare an article. I will bookmark the question/answer. Have a nice day. 17387349L8764 (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
About My Draft (Draft:Cultural impact of The Shining)
Shall I consider the comment left by User:SafariScribe? When I fix up articles, I only really look at the reason that was provided in the decline box. In this case, it was "This submission provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter. Please see the guide to writing better articles for information on how to better format your submission." If I fixed up this issue and this issue only, would the page have a higher chance of being accepted? Also, I'm not really sure how to interpret this statement. Are my explanations insufficient? Are they considered hard to properly interpret to the average reader? I also may need some help with the 'Analysis' section because the scholarly analyses I've found on Google Scholar that revolve around the film and its cultural impact are paid. LeGoldenBoots (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @LeGoldenBoots: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, your draft would have a higher chance of being accepted if you fixed that problem. It's not a guarantee though—different reviewers have different opinions. As to how you fix the problem, the best thing to do is to imagine that you've never seen The Shining. I, for instance, have never seen it, and I am a bit confused by the draft. For example, I have no idea why "Here's Johnny!" was said, what scene it was in, why it's repeated so many times, etc. There are some comments you might want to look at on the draft. If you need to access certain paywalled sources, you should be eligible for the Misplaced Pages Library, which might grant you access to those sources, or you could ask at WP:TREX. Happy editing! Relativity ⚡️ 00:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Relativity Alright, I had made some edits here and there to the page; particularly in the "Imagery and phrases" section. I also changed some of the vocabulary I used in sections of the article, courtesy of the comment left by User:Hoary. Would the page be in a good spot to be properly submitted now considering I fixed the issues described in the decline box, thanks to your explanation of what that really meant. (Thanks!), or should that be left for me to decide? LeGoldenBoots (talk) 01:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @LeGoldenBoots: It's still a bit confusing. My suggestion is to have a "Plot" or "Background" section in the beginning, right after the lead, where you briefly describe the plot and the characters of the film. This section doesn't need to be cited, but it could help clear up some of the confusion as to what character does what. Relativity ⚡️ 01:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Will do. Thank you. LeGoldenBoots (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @LeGoldenBoots: It's still a bit confusing. My suggestion is to have a "Plot" or "Background" section in the beginning, right after the lead, where you briefly describe the plot and the characters of the film. This section doesn't need to be cited, but it could help clear up some of the confusion as to what character does what. Relativity ⚡️ 01:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Relativity Alright, I had made some edits here and there to the page; particularly in the "Imagery and phrases" section. I also changed some of the vocabulary I used in sections of the article, courtesy of the comment left by User:Hoary. Would the page be in a good spot to be properly submitted now considering I fixed the issues described in the decline box, thanks to your explanation of what that really meant. (Thanks!), or should that be left for me to decide? LeGoldenBoots (talk) 01:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
LeGoldenBoots, I thought I'd clean up a single, very short paragraph, as a demonstration of one kind of the work needed. But I was stumped by "Another similarity is the axe-murdering Salamanca twins, in contrast to the axe-murdered Grady twins." Maybe there's a similarity, maybe there's a contrast, maybe there's even both. But if there are both, then say so directly; don't make the sentence look as if you started it with one idea but reversed yourself less than a dozen words later. Elsewhere in the same section, the draft says that the film Ready Player One "features a plentiful of references" to the film The Shining. I suppose "features" means "has" or "shows", but your use here of "plentiful" is alien to me. (For me, and for Wiktionary, it's an adjective, not a noun.) Perhaps it's just the result of a sleepy and incomplete rewording; but whatever the reason for it, I recommend that you slowly read the draft aloud; and where it sounds strange, rewrite. Best of luck! -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you for the clarification! LeGoldenBoots (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Empty string
Please copy the following question over for me:
Having a strange interaction at Empty string with an editor who seems not to be able to read or understand guidelines; I don’t really know how to talk to a person who thinks this is mandated by the MOS. Advice (or, even better, weighing in gently somewhere) requested. (Is this bad use of punctuation explicitly ruled out somewhere in MOS? Anything that requires interpretation or reading comprehension seems like it would be hard to convey to them.) 100.36.106.199 (talk) 13:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- So try, straightforwardly and of course with no hint of sarcasm, on Talk:Empty string. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Alt accounts
So I know that some users on Misplaced Pages have alternative accounts. Is there a criteria that someone has to meet in order to legitimately have an alt account? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 00:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @RedactedHumanoid: see WP:SOCKLEGIT. There's no specific criteria, but sock accounts not meeting any of those bullets are at best frowned upon. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 00:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
A general question
Hi! I was just wondering, Why are there a lot of articles with no references, Aren't there 'new page reviewers'? Why did they accept articles without references? Warriorglance (talk) 05:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello @Warriorglance. WP:AUTOCONFIRMED users can post articles without having them reviewed. The WP:NPP backlog is also 11,000+ and growing, so it might take a while for articles to be reviewed. Tarlby 06:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Warriorglance, Template:Unreferenced is available for your use to draw attention to such articles. Even better, you can add references to reliable sources yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 06:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Cullen328 Ok, I know that, but why is 'Afc' there? Can you please explain the differences? Warriorglance (talk) 06:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Warriorglance: WP:AFC is an option that editors may use when creating articles, and it's often recommended that those (particularly new or newish editors) without sufficient experience in article creation take advantage of it because it can help them avoid having their efforts being quickly deleted if they try to add a new article directly to the encyclopedia themselves. The AfC process allows users to receive feedback on drafts for potential articles and perhaps in the process learn some more about Misplaced Pages editing. It's not a perfect system but it can be helpful to some; in addition, it's also a way to try to minimize the number of bad articles (e.g. excessively promotional articles) being added to the encyclopedia. As for WP:NPP, Misplaced Pages has more than six million articles and all Wikipedians are volunteers working in areas that interest them; those involved with NPP probably do whate they can whenever they can, but their efforts will almost always never be enough because there's simply more pages being created than there are NPP people to look them over. All Misplaced Pages articles are in a sense "new" pages since articles can change (sometimes drastically) from one minute to the next; moreover, all Wikipedians are in a sense "new page patrollers" because they all have the ability to either improve/clean up existing articles or tag/propose/nominate them for deletion. An unreferenced article could be an article that was bad from the start and needs to be deleted; it could be an article that started out OK but morphed into something worse over the years that just needs to be returned to its better state; or, it could be an article that has lots of potential that just needs some one to come along and devote some time to. Figuring out what is what is one of the things that Misplaced Pages will always have to deal with because from the very beginning it was sent up to not be a peer-reviewed publication with some sort of central editorial or approval board. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- To be clear, Warriorglance, use of the Articles for Creation process is entirely optional for a large majority of active editors and is mandatory only for paid editors and those with an overt conflict of interest, and for new editors who are not yet autoconfirmed. I have written over 100 new articles and never once used the AfC process. Cullen328 (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Warriorglance: WP:AFC is an option that editors may use when creating articles, and it's often recommended that those (particularly new or newish editors) without sufficient experience in article creation take advantage of it because it can help them avoid having their efforts being quickly deleted if they try to add a new article directly to the encyclopedia themselves. The AfC process allows users to receive feedback on drafts for potential articles and perhaps in the process learn some more about Misplaced Pages editing. It's not a perfect system but it can be helpful to some; in addition, it's also a way to try to minimize the number of bad articles (e.g. excessively promotional articles) being added to the encyclopedia. As for WP:NPP, Misplaced Pages has more than six million articles and all Wikipedians are volunteers working in areas that interest them; those involved with NPP probably do whate they can whenever they can, but their efforts will almost always never be enough because there's simply more pages being created than there are NPP people to look them over. All Misplaced Pages articles are in a sense "new" pages since articles can change (sometimes drastically) from one minute to the next; moreover, all Wikipedians are in a sense "new page patrollers" because they all have the ability to either improve/clean up existing articles or tag/propose/nominate them for deletion. An unreferenced article could be an article that was bad from the start and needs to be deleted; it could be an article that started out OK but morphed into something worse over the years that just needs to be returned to its better state; or, it could be an article that has lots of potential that just needs some one to come along and devote some time to. Figuring out what is what is one of the things that Misplaced Pages will always have to deal with because from the very beginning it was sent up to not be a peer-reviewed publication with some sort of central editorial or approval board. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Cullen328 Ok, I know that, but why is 'Afc' there? Can you please explain the differences? Warriorglance (talk) 06:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's also the fact that the drafting process only came into existence in 2011 and ACPERM didn't happen until 2018, so there are a lot of articles that were created under much, much more permissive conditions than we're used to today. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 19:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Warriorglance, Template:Unreferenced is available for your use to draw attention to such articles. Even better, you can add references to reliable sources yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 06:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
chatgpt article
Bir Bikram Kishore Manikya Bahadur definitely has many issues that i stumbled upon: first off his title "Maharaja" was added in a move by a certain user Rohan TheWikipedian who claimed the original title was "misspelled". I moved it back.
Now my question is, this same user has added a large amount of information in "Legacy" section which is so obviously chatgpt that i'd rather draftify than leave it sitting in article space. "fostered", "enhanced", "unity", etc etc... and its last point is the nail in the coffin which confirms it being an llm, not to mention it is completely unsourced.
Do i go ahead and boldly remove the content in question, or should i draftify because the article truly doesn't look like it belongs in article space. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Scratchinghead The article has been around since 2007, so you can't WP:DRAFTIFY it. You can remove unsourced material, add {{cn}} tags or send it to WP:AfD and you should definitely expand your concerns on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- After going through the edit history on the article, I would restore the version before Rohan began editing, as their edits also removed some sourced content. Schazjmd (talk) 16:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
help wanted!
Greetings,
I have an outstanding extended-confirmed-protect edit request that is one of several needed for a page that has been subjected to a rigorous crtique by the organization of the subject of the page. However, there is no editor with extended-confirmed status paying attention to my efforts. I need a volunteer with that editorial status to work with me to more expediently approve or critique my editorial efforts on that page. Any editor with an interest in and understanding of media bias is especially invited to help, as it is the leitmotif of the subject of this page and the controversy surrounding her.
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to help!
Kenfree (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Talk:Alison_Weir_(activist)#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_11_January_2025 in case anyone is interested. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- ...which is under PIA sanctions. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- yes, that is why it requires an extended-confirmed editor to authorize edits...I'm only about half way to the 500-edit mark so I need an editor who's "made the grade" to respond to my edit requests Kenfree (talk) 20:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- there is no "talk" on her talk page....my edit request just sits there with the crickets Kenfree (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- To be fair, user: Ultraodan did respond to your edit request. You just didn't like their response, and said so in no uncertain terms. I can't blame them for stepping back, and I'm certainly not interested in working on it after seeing your response. Only 7 editors who have that talk page on their watchlist have visited it in the last month. Maybe one of the other 6 will respond. Meters (talk) 05:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ultraodan did not want to do the homework, and said so. A ten-page critique of this webpage has been issued by Alison Weir's organization which started the thread. Anyone who takes the time to read it will be in a position to judge whether what is being represented as Alison Weir's views are truly her views or a tendentious distortion of her views, very poorly sourced, I should add. Kenfree (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please don't assume what I am or am not willing to do. I explained my problems on the talk page and left when it became clear it wasn't worth my free time to deal with it. @Meters gave some good advice about that below this. Ultraodan (talk) 07:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also saw the request and the response. And decided it was not worth my time to help someone who who reacted like that. LizardJr8 (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ultraodan did not want to do the homework, and said so. A ten-page critique of this webpage has been issued by Alison Weir's organization which started the thread. Anyone who takes the time to read it will be in a position to judge whether what is being represented as Alison Weir's views are truly her views or a tendentious distortion of her views, very poorly sourced, I should add. Kenfree (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't edit in contentious topics full stop if I can help it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 06:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- then don"t! Kenfree (talk) 06:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- We're all volunteers. If you want to find someone to volunteer their time and effort to help you then perhaps you should have explained what your edit request was about before taking the first person to respond to task for not reading your mind. Starting your response off with
I cannot tell you how disappointed I am in your response to my edit request. You seem to be totally unaware of the purpose behind the edit request
is not a good start and is not likely to convince anyone to help. Meters (talk) 07:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)- ultraodan had made a previous edit to the page in response to my request, during which my rationale was cited, so he wasn't a complete stranger to it....that said, I believe the ten-page critique of this[REDACTED] entry by Weir's organization is necessary reading for anyone working on revising this page in response to it, and that's not every editor's cup of tea Kenfree (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- We're all volunteers. If you want to find someone to volunteer their time and effort to help you then perhaps you should have explained what your edit request was about before taking the first person to respond to task for not reading your mind. Starting your response off with
- then don"t! Kenfree (talk) 06:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- To be fair, user: Ultraodan did respond to your edit request. You just didn't like their response, and said so in no uncertain terms. I can't blame them for stepping back, and I'm certainly not interested in working on it after seeing your response. Only 7 editors who have that talk page on their watchlist have visited it in the last month. Maybe one of the other 6 will respond. Meters (talk) 05:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- there is no "talk" on her talk page....my edit request just sits there with the crickets Kenfree (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- yes, that is why it requires an extended-confirmed editor to authorize edits...I'm only about half way to the 500-edit mark so I need an editor who's "made the grade" to respond to my edit requests Kenfree (talk) 20:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- ...which is under PIA sanctions. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Kenfree, I had a look at your request and the following discussion. I found it confusing. You want some text moved, but it's not clear what text: the text you want moved is not indented or otherwise distinguished from the request above it. Later, it says "END OF QUOTE", but there's no corresponding start of quote. I expect I could puzzle it out with enough effort; but like everyone else here I'm a volunteer, and I have better uses for my time.
- tl;dr: If you want someone to help you, make it clear what it is you want. Maproom (talk) 09:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, it looks like you were reading pretty far past the actual edit request, so I have reformatted to distinguish the edit request per se from the responsive commentary. Please let me know if this suffices. Kenfree (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Cover art
Hello! I was wondering if I can add a screenshot from a music video to the infobox for a music single page that doesn't have an artwork, for example "V.A.N (song)" and "Suffocate (Knocked Loose song)". If I could, I'd also use the Special:Upload page to upload the screenshot right? Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Correct. It'll be non-free content, so make sure you fill out a proper fair use rationale. DS (talk) 20:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Okayy thank you so much!. Gabriella Grande (talk) 04:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
How to promote an article to c-class
How do I promote an article (Michael Porter Jr.) to c-class. Sushidude21! (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Article class assessments are done by specific WikiProjects based upon their own sets of criteria. You'd need to go to the relevant WikiProject(s) and raise the issue with them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 04:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Jéské Couriano, this doesn't seem to be true any more. These days the AfC reviewer is invited both to add project templates to a fresh article's talk page, and to specify a (single) quality class (whether "stub" or near or far above this) for the article, a class that thereupon propagates to all the project templates. Certainly the promotion-to-article process doesn't point out to the reviewer that standards may differ among projects, let alone encourage the reviewer to read up on the respective standards and act according to what's written. (Actually I've pretty much stopped specifying classes myself. Most recent example: Talk:Tara Dower.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Answering @Sushidude21!:'s question: edit the Talk:Michael Porter Jr. page. Near the top change "class=Start" to "class=C". I believe the change is justified. A formal evaluation is not required. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Is this article based on a podcast acceptable as a source for a BLP draft
Hi, I have been working on a draft article and wanted to know if and how this synopsis of a podcast episode can be added.
I would also welcome any feedback about the draft
Thank you, KrisJohanssen (talk) 05:04, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- This looks to be a user contributed content platform, and so would not count as a reliable source. However in general, a podcast from a trustworthy organisation (eg a journal) or from a recognised and proven expert in the topic could be considered as a source. Peer-reviewed material, reviews, or carfully edited material would be superior. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Possibility to see number of edits for each space
I'd like to know if there are a mean to see the number of edits for each space.
When I'm talking about space. I'm talking for example about the "Mainspace" and "Talk-Pages". Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Anatole-berthe: presumably you mean your edits (in different namespaces)? In which case, you can see that info (for en.wiki) here: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Anatole-berthe -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Orphan
Hello. I have translated and published an article from Misplaced Pages in Japanese about Tomodachiga Yatteru Cafe, a cafe staffed by actors. I think the quality and quantity of this article is plenty good, and the subject is humorous, notable and worth introducing. However, at the moment it is an orphan. (This is the same situation with the original Japanese article, which has almost no links to the original article.)
Is there any good source of links to the article anywhere, or if you have any good ideas, please let me know. Thank you very much. 狄の用務員 (talk) 09:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps it could be linked from articles on the actors, or from the location it is in. Or maybe an article like List of museums in Tokyo if it is now a museum.Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your advice. 狄の用務員 (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
changes from germany during ww2 to nazi germany specifically
Hi there! Going through recent changes, I've been seeing a lot of edits tagged as possible vandalism that change links to germany to nazi germany, or similar. Examples include this edit and this one. I've been a bit of a lurker here on[REDACTED] for a while, but I don't edit a lot and I'm unfamiliar with our guidelines for this. Should Germany be linked, perhaps specifically to Germany#Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany, or should Nazi Germany itself be linked? Thanks, Sashanatane (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it’s inappropriate in these cases. It would be due and relevant the political climate is discussed/relevant, for example they served in the army, or experienced food shortage as a result of being in Nazi Germany. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Changing name of draft
Hello! I'm new to creating Wiki articles. Is there a way to change the name of this draft from Caitlin McCarthy (activist) to Caitlin McCarthy (writer)? Thank you! Link: Draft:Caitlin McCarthy (activist) WistahHoney508 (talk) 12:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is done via a move; I have moved it to Draft:Caitlin McCarthy (writer). Lectonar (talk) 12:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would note that the specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant; it will be placed at the proper title when accepted. 331dot (talk) 13:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @WistahHoney508. You will need to remove all the external links from the text. If a link is to a reliable source which verifies a specific piece of information about McCarthy, then convert it into a reference. If it is to a general topic that Misplaced Pages has an article about (such as Métis) then convert it into a Wikilink. Otherwise, get rid of it. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Page rejected
As it seems like advertisement.
My username is: Saurabh zadoo Saurabh Zadoo (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Saurabh Zadoo, you just came onto the #wikipedia-en-help live chat channel. As we stated, your draft is absolutely promotional and will be correctly deleted. Carefully read our criteria for inclusion at WP:NMUSICIAN and then read guidance on writing an autobiography at WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. We highly discourage autobiographical writing. qcne (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Draft Improvement
Hi everyone, please I would like to know where in this article (NU) should be improved. Ok1616 17:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Automatic Custom Signoff
Hey! I'm not sure if this is something that someone is able to do, but I have seen stuff that leads me to believe that people are able to set it so their custom made sign-off automatically appears rather than the normal one. It's a pain having to copy-paste my sign-off every time just to look cool... hah... Ali Beary (talk2me!) (stalk me?!) 18:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Ali Beary, see WP:CUSTOMSIG for instructions. Schazjmd (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Schazjmd, thank you!!!!! Ali Beary (talk2me!) (stalk me?!) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)