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| Hello Sir, kindly intervene in my dispute with user Ekdalian. The link of the DR page is https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/request. It is related to Baidya article. Thankyou. ] (]) 11:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi TransporterMan, thanks for leading me to the right place in this dispute. However, I posted on ] but my request was . I looked for help ], but still don´t know what is wrong, it's about conduct. Also, the editor who discarded my request, on whose Userpage Talk I posted, ]. Why cannot I post on Request for comment? Thanks again for your time ] (]) 21:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :What you've been told at the Help Desk is that when that editor looked through your misfiled RFC/U draft, they did not feel that it stated a conduct request which would obtain any relief, but more closely stated a content dispute. As you stated it at DRN your request was about conduct and requested relief - giving warnings and blocks - which we do not do at DRN. As such, I referred you to conduct forums based on your choice and statement of what you wanted to do and have done. By doing so, however, I did not mean to suggest that you would either succeed or fail at those forums, only that if you wanted to raise conduct rather than content that was where to go since DRN does not handle conduct. It would appear that your request for an RFC/U was removed because it was not filed in the right place. You must precisely follow the instructions at ] in order to file such a request. Regards, ] (]) 21:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Thanks. However, I am still lost, it is a conduct matter and the resource is on User conduct, I mean comments on user conduct. I am positive it is a problem of disruptive and obstructive editing. I explained that my aim was a warning or a temporary block from the article because that is what I think should apply, perhaps the resource should state what the aim is beforehand, and avoid the confusion. Anyway, frankly I am not sure if I am being required to have more specific evidence, like breaches of the rule 3 reverts, or state other aims, or try another resource like posting diffs in his Userpage talk as per ]. Sorry to burden my query on your shoulders but I am quite confused and it is taking quite a long time. Any input is appreciated. ] (]) 16:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Actually what you are saying on RFC/U should work for me, but coming back with a like request only aims changed may not be welcome. I am interested in 3o-s, but that has been used by now at the request of the editor in question with no good outcome for him, but he would keep going with other objections. A mediator on conduct would be welcome, it's conduct. I was quite a long time ago in an ANI case with a very frustrating experience to be honest. I am positive on the conduct of the editor, but after that experience I am not sure what the ANI will come up with, so will try to avoid it. Should you know another conduct mediation resource, please let me know. Thanks ] (]) 21:10, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::If by "coming back with a like request" you mean coming back at RFC/U, you wouldn't ''be'' coming back with a like request because the first one was not filed in the right place. It was, for all practical intents and purposes, never made. When properly filed, the request's URL will be and that page has never existed. Regards, ] (]) 21:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::Ok, that's what I wanted to know, thanks for your patience! ] (]) 15:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::Hi TransporterMan, many thanks for your ] in this journey, re ]. I opened a Request for comment, you can find ]. It requires a comment of someone participating in the dispute (section Users certifying the basis for this dispute of the latter link), your input on your participation is much appreciated. ] (]) 07:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::::Once again your request has been closed by a third party because it was not filed at the right place. Read what I said above: "When properly filed, the request's URL will be and that page has never existed." That statement is still true. Regards, ] (]) 16:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello TransporterMan, no problems :) I just felt mentioning Syzdek et al. directly in the text was weird, since there are hundreds of research groups that are working on the same thing. So just wanted the paragraph to convey that, or else a casual user might end up thinking that Syzdek et al, whoever they are, are the only experts on solid polymer electrolytes, which is obviously not the case. I let the reference to their paper stay, though :) Thanks for pointing out, I rarely edit Misplaced Pages articles so am not aware of the protocols and rules involved. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| == Pre order bonuses in list of Castlevania media == | |||
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| I have doubt that pre-order bonuses like '''Dracula X: Nocturne in the Moonlight''' and '''Akumajō Dracula: Yami no Juin – Fukushū no Jokyoku''' deserve to be in the ] since they were only available through pre-order. I don't know whether pre-order bonuses should be included in list of media based on a franchise. ] does not contain any pre-order bonuses. What is your opinion? ] (]) 10:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :*First, remember that every article stands alone unless there is a policy or guideline requiring it to be or not be fashioned in a particular way. I am unaware of any rule affecting this question — though again let me say that I don't edit in this area, so I can't say for sure (though I would think it very unlikely that there is) — so on that level, it would be perfectly acceptable for pre-order bonuses (POB's) to be included in Final Fantasy and not in Castlevania. | |||
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| :*Finally, what I think you really wanted: "Should" they be included. The argument in favor of their inclusion is that they are, in fact, "Castlevania media" and the lede of the list does not specifically exclude POB's or limit the list to only media which were available for general purchase. In light of that argument, about the only argument that I can think of for their exclusion would be that they were so insignificant that to include them gives them ]. Frankly, however, I don't think that argument is sufficient in light of the breadth of the article topic. | |||
| :So, I think that they ought to remain in the list, but that's just my opinion. Regards, ] (]) 14:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC) '''PS:''' Remember that the high road is always to first propose the change on the article talk page. Let it sit for a week or so and then if no one objects, change away. TM — 14:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Actually I think the real reason no one has objected to the presence of POBs is because just like me other users don't know whether POBs should be on the list or not. I am not saying that is necessarily the cause but it could be. Actually I think no one has objected to them because no one has noticed them or if they have they might be confused whether they should be there or not. ] (]) 13:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, im trying to use the resolution system, specifically for the ] article. | |||
| :::In general, we don't judge editors' actions by their motivations, but only by their actions. Regardless of the ''reason'' for no objection, there weren't any objections. Unless there was a policy or guideline which made their inclusion improper (e.g. lack of a source or a reliable source, original research, copyvio, etc.), then we presume that they were inserted in good faith and that the Misplaced Pages community thought that they were acceptable when no one made a timely objection. It's kind of like the presumption in law that everyone knows all the law. If you let people get away with stuff if they claim that they didn't know the law or what was in that contract that they signed, then the whole legal system falls apart because you can't be sure that any law or any contract will be enforceable. We have to have ''both'' stability and flexibility here at Misplaced Pages and consensus-by-concession and consensus-by-silence provide part of that balance. And they cut both ways: maybe you're right that in reality no one reverted or objected because they weren't sure whether or not they ought to be there. If you're right, and that's all it is, if you take them out and no one objects and a reasonable amount of time passes, then we'll have consensus that they should not be there (to be sure of that, you would ''really'' need to propose both your removal and your reasons for the removal on the talk page first and give some time for responses; otherwise, the fact that you removed them because you didn't think that they ought to be there might later be forgotten). Regards, ] (]) 14:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| It feels like too petty of a dispute to justify opening an RFC but the talk page has failrd, and its just broken down into people not responding and making accusations of misconduct over nonsense on all sides. | |||
| :::I had already posted about this matter on the talk page of the list some days ago. It's been a week and still no one has even commented at all. I think I was right all along that no one had noticed the POBs. ] (]) 14:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| The crux of the issue is about the presentation of the language in the intro to the article, and the distinction between ] and arbitrary categories. | |||
| == Irene Caesar == | |||
| Specifically, the current language presents the article subject as an objective, coherent, extant, natural category, but constructs it by specifying members rather than criteria. | |||
| Hi TransporterMan. | |||
| The talk page details at length the problems with this logically, why it creates a form of lie by structure, and how regardless of the source, of the structure of the material is presented in a way that presents subjective external frameworks as natural facts, thats not NPOV and its out of the scope of any experts authority to disregard the rules of logic. | |||
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| Woukd you be willing to review the discussion and help me with setting up the appropriate request for dispute resolution. | |||
| On a broader basis, her own words suggest that she is a proponent of conspiracy theories and not simply an "apolitical" artist without an agenda. As Wikipedians we shouldn't use prosecutorial or partisan language, but I do think that as a notable figure meriting a Misplaced Pages page, she should be portrayed "encyclopediacally", the good the bad and the ugly so to speak. One of the difficulties is that her more-controversial beliefs have not been well documented in third party reliable sources; the main evidence stems from her own words in her blog and in interviews with sources that might not be considered reliable in Misplaced Pages. If you can help me navigate this catch-22, I'd be most grateful. | |||
| No edits have yet occured, as, i elected to seek consesnsus before making a change ] (]) 11:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| TransporterMan, | |||
| Please don't take offense. I decided to follow Misplaced Pages's admonition to "Be Bold" and updated the section on Caesar's philosophy by citing some of her writing. I took care to avoid any references to specific third parties that could be potentially defamatory. I'm not going to try to conceal the fact that Caesar's views have got me "hot under the collar." I might not be the most dispassionate person in the world to edit her page, but in lieu of anyone else stepping forward to do so, I feel compelled to take on the task. I've tried my best to keep my emotions out of my edits to her page, and I believe I've worded it in such a way to honor Wiki policy on BLP. If I've fallen short of this goal, I will respect your decision to make more changes. But I do feel strongly that any individual who merits a Misplaced Pages page needs to be represented accurately, particularly if he or she has strong views that fall outside the mainstream.] (]) 01:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :Your new additions are a clear improvement over the ones I reverted and avoid the biggest problems I was concerned about (especially prohibited interpretation of primary and self-published sources). I'm not at all sure that they will completely meet BLP muster, especially ], but they're close enough to it that I'm out of my area of expertise. If the other editor reverts you, ask for the edits to be reviewed over at ] rather than just reverting back. Also consider following the advice I give ] on dealing with an editor who will not engage in discussion. However, let me give you some general principles (though I'll be the first to admit that some of these are often overlooked once we get into detailed squabbles over edits). | |||
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| :*Fourth, it's very important to remember that we merely report what sources say. We don't synthesize or interpret it. A good understanding of the ] policy is very important. | |||
| :*Fifth, there are a few things which are taken very seriously. One is dealing with matters concerning living (and recently deceased) persons. You know enough about that already that I'd just refer you to the ] policy for a general read. Another is ] of text and images, but that's a discussion for another day. | |||
| :I hope this helps. Regards, ] (]) 16:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Steven! Good to hear from you! I no longer keep up with WP at all so don't have the foggiest about what's currently going on. I'm just glad that others have picked up the torch we lit for them. I just checked and I see that our compatriot ] is down to 1-2 edits a month and they're nearly entirely housekeeping. This place will wear you out. Cheers! ] (]) 22:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you, TransporterMan. I'm grateful for you taking the time to look over my edits and give me detailed feedback. Your input is very helpful. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->] (]) 19:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{ping|Steven Crossin|TransporterMan}} Hi all! I also am not really keeping up with Misplaced Pages these days. A new job, new hobbies and a new family member mean Misplaced Pages is now bumped way down my list of priorities. I still check for messages from time to time though. — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 09:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Good to hear from you, too, Mr. Stradivarius, and congratulations on the new family member! Best regards, ] (]) 19:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oh, it's like the good old days! I actually have a little one on the way myself! I actually came back to enwiki to take a crack at Misplaced Pages dispute resolution again, and having come back I am seeing merits in reopening MedCab in some format (we closed MedCab because it was redundant to MedCom, and then MedCom got closed), so am currently mulling over ideas and then might take them to the Village Pump to re-establish it... <span style="font-family:Verdana">] ] <sup>]</sup></span> 20:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Congratulations to you, too, Steven. Sorry for the late reply. I've suffered kidney failure, am seeking a living donor, and have one doctor's appointment after another with lab tests in between, and the last few days have been particularly busy. I'm hovering just above the blood chemistry levels that would require me to be on dialysis, hoping that we'll locate a donor before my kidneys deteriorate further. The bright note is that I feel fine, all the action has been in the laboratory. Best regards, ] (]) 21:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| :::So far nobody's reverted me so that gives me hope. Meantime, let me pick your brain on a broader related issue. In recent years, Misplaced Pages has likely gained in importance as a "vetting" tool for employers, clients and others considering doing business with someone. Naturally, the one doing the vetting has the lion's share of responsibility in judging an entry's reliability and supplementing it with other research. That said, do we bear some degree of ethical obligation to researchers to ensure an entry presents, as far as possible, an accurate, well-rounded picture of the subject? In the case of Ms. Caesar, I was concerned that universities or other organizations looking to employ her and/or give her some sort of public platform would come away with the impression that nothing about her merits further scrutiny. What are your thoughts? ] (]) 19:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| {{ygm}} <span style="font-family:Verdana">] ] <sup>]</sup></span> 11:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::We do have an obligation to present a balanced point of view, see ], ''but'' that obligation does not set aside our other policies, such as those I've mentioned above. Indeed the first sentence on NPOV reads, "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views ''that have been ] on a topic."'' (Emphasis rearranged.) Again, we're not here to right great wrongs or be a who's who or serve any particular constituency: we're here to create an ''encyclopedia,'' nothing more, nothing less. If the need of an employer for vetting goes beyond the kind of information which might be found in a biographical article in, say, the ], then that need may well not be satisfied here. Regards, ] (]) 21:01, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Intervention in Dispute resolution
Hello Sir, kindly intervene in my dispute with user Ekdalian. The link of the DR page is https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/request. It is related to Baidya article. Thankyou. Anirban Kolkata (talk) 11:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Your request for dispute resolution should be made at Dispute Resolution Noticeboard after carefully reading and following the instructions there. Requests cannot be made from https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/request. I do not take private requests for dispute resolution. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, im trying to use the resolution system, specifically for the Manosphere article.
It feels like too petty of a dispute to justify opening an RFC but the talk page has failrd, and its just broken down into people not responding and making accusations of misconduct over nonsense on all sides.
The crux of the issue is about the presentation of the language in the intro to the article, and the distinction between Natural (category theory) and arbitrary categories.
Specifically, the current language presents the article subject as an objective, coherent, extant, natural category, but constructs it by specifying members rather than criteria.
The talk page details at length the problems with this logically, why it creates a form of lie by structure, and how regardless of the source, of the structure of the material is presented in a way that presents subjective external frameworks as natural facts, thats not NPOV and its out of the scope of any experts authority to disregard the rules of logic.
Woukd you be willing to review the discussion and help me with setting up the appropriate request for dispute resolution.
No edits have yet occured, as, i elected to seek consesnsus before making a change Azeranth (talk) 11:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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Hey mate, long time no chat. I’ll drop you an email to check in too, but wanted to say a hello to see how you’re doing. It seems like absolutely forever when we created DRN and ran MedCab…I feel like such a fossil now! Steven Crossin 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Steven! Good to hear from you! I no longer keep up with WP at all so don't have the foggiest about what's currently going on. I'm just glad that others have picked up the torch we lit for them. I just checked and I see that our compatriot Mr. Stradivarius is down to 1-2 edits a month and they're nearly entirely housekeeping. This place will wear you out. Cheers! TransporterMan (TALK) 22:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Steven Crossin and TransporterMan: Hi all! I also am not really keeping up with Misplaced Pages these days. A new job, new hobbies and a new family member mean Misplaced Pages is now bumped way down my list of priorities. I still check for messages from time to time though. — Mr. Stradivarius 09:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Good to hear from you, too, Mr. Stradivarius, and congratulations on the new family member! Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, it's like the good old days! I actually have a little one on the way myself! I actually came back to enwiki to take a crack at Misplaced Pages dispute resolution again, and having come back I am seeing merits in reopening MedCab in some format (we closed MedCab because it was redundant to MedCom, and then MedCom got closed), so am currently mulling over ideas and then might take them to the Village Pump to re-establish it... Steven Crossin 20:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Congratulations to you, too, Steven. Sorry for the late reply. I've suffered kidney failure, am seeking a living donor, and have one doctor's appointment after another with lab tests in between, and the last few days have been particularly busy. I'm hovering just above the blood chemistry levels that would require me to be on dialysis, hoping that we'll locate a donor before my kidneys deteriorate further. The bright note is that I feel fine, all the action has been in the laboratory. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Steven Crossin and TransporterMan: Hi all! I also am not really keeping up with Misplaced Pages these days. A new job, new hobbies and a new family member mean Misplaced Pages is now bumped way down my list of priorities. I still check for messages from time to time though. — Mr. Stradivarius 09:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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