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| Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Misplaced Pages since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see ]. My work, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was even blocked. ]. And it's during that first block case that I learned a lot about ] and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Misplaced Pages, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (Misplaced Pages is almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible. | |||
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| Especially see ] for why what you consider neutral, or what you consider needed with regard to images, likely differs from my view; don't know about you, but I'm following Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines in that regard. '''Any questions, compliments or criticism of my Misplaced Pages work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.''' | |||
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| ==Archive== | |||
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| *] (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007) | |||
| *] (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007 | |||
| *] (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008) | |||
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| *] (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009) | |||
| *] (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010) | |||
| *] (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011) | |||
| *] (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011) | |||
| *] (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 ) | |||
| *] (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3) | |||
| *] (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012) | |||
| *] (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013) | |||
| *] (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013) | |||
| *] (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013) | |||
| *] (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014) | |||
| *] (May 6, 2014 - ) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| {{retired}} | |||
| I'm bold, I don't ask permission before posting good information about writing styles to avoid. Its a fairly straightforward thing, taught in many writing courses, and it is ''not'' covered elsewhere on the page, which is why I added it. | |||
| Regarding ? Looking at all of ] and knowing I'd be subjected to similar, and how certain editors go all out to prove false narratives, I cannot deal with that. Like some editors (including ]) know, I am dealing with ] issues in the family. That is not something I just made up to get out of going through this "must take down Flyer" thing. It was happening before that, and it's gotten worse. I have a brother (not the one who edits here) in intensive care and a sister who was just put on a ventilator. I already lost an uncle to the virus. And editing here is supposed to help me take my mind off of stuff like that, not be subjected to as much stress and time-wasting that an ArbCom case entails. | |||
| You reverted, now you own it. Your job to move discussion to Talk. | |||
| Also, don't use extra edit summaries to plead your case or go into in-depth discussion, that's what Talk pages are for. -- ] ] 09:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I have said goodbye to editors here already. And I will say this before I leave: The argument from a few that ANI failed an editor because the admins are biased in my favor? Are we to honestly believe that I control all of these well-respected admins? They have their own minds and have disagreed with me before. They saw what they saw. So for this case to be accepted? It feels like this case would have been accepted regardless of the many requests to decline it. This case isn't about the private evidence -- material that I didn't write but am accused of writing. Material that was not passed on to me for scrutiny. None of the Arbs accepted the case on the basis of that "evidence", which speaks to just how immaterial it is. I acknowledge that I haven't always been the most civil. Editors on the case page noted that I work in areas where tempers flare. That's true. Editors accusing me of having been uncivil to them have also been uncivil to me at one point or another, often in the very discussions they've linked to. ] , "'''Arbcom is not a court, it's purpose is to stop ''current and sustained'' disruption of the project, not to punish users for things they may have done in the past.'''" But that is exactly what the request points to -- a free-for-all for anyone who has ever been in a heated dispute with me, with the added bonus of portraying my behavior as bullying, transphobic, or something else that it isn't. ]. Adhering to our policies and guidelines and expecting others to do the same is not bullying or being discriminatory. Criticisms are not automatically personal attacks. And commentary about what took place here at my own talk page can be seen ] with my "18:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)" post (scroll on down). | |||
| :], yes, you were ]. You were WP:BOLD with a guideline that should have ] for such a big edit, as reflected by what that guideline states at the top of its page. WP:Consensus is a policy and can be achieved through silence as well. But I was not silent; I reverted you. Being WP:BOLD obviously does not mean that you cannot be reverted, no matter how good you think your information is. Your addition used authoritative language for what is a guideline, and you even suggested that editors should avoid use of the word ''several'', despite it often being quite appropriate to use the word ''several'', such as when avoiding a ] of names. The WP:BOLD guideline and ] essay make the following clear: You were reverted, so now it is you who should take the matter to the guideline talk page if you wanted it restored; I don't want it restored, so it's not up to me to take the matter to the guideline talk page. I don't own it at all. I made it very clear why . And, yeah, I followed that up with . That's my right. It's not up to you to tell me not to do that. I'm not going to take a thing to the talk page that I can state just as easily in an edit summary. And, by the way, ], which I didn't use in this case, are for the very purpose of stating something in an edit summary that does not need to be taken to the talk page. I also suggest you tone down the inappropriate attitude if you want me to consider any proposal you make to that guideline seriously. ] (]) 10:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| The claim that I went after anyone at ] and made participation at WT:Med talk pages unbearable is false. For example, until the Medicine ArbCom case and I continued to support Doc James -- ]. These "just fine" interactions include stuff like , , , ], ], ], and that I am a fine editor for new medical editors to work with. I was never a problem at WP:Med. I have . And the only supposed instance of me being problematic there is ] that I was driving away a newcomer. As documented there with evidence, I criticized a newcomer for the same exact thing another editor criticized others for when it comes to adding quality sources. Like me, Girth saw no merit to the incivility claims leveled against me in that discussion. At the moment, I can only recall one other heated discussion I was involved in at WP:Med. And that is ] about the ] article. But it was just that -- a heated discussion. It was not me being a problem. And, indeed, because of my arguments there and ], the article was moved to its proper name and appropriately expanded. Disagreements over ], such as ] one in a collapsed box which started off by me suggesting that we discuss significant changes before we make them (and then getting the reply I did), ] one where I questioned removing guidance and ] previously involved editors who helped craft the current MOS:MED guideline (which is perfectly fine per ]), and challenging what were the "golden years" of WP:Med, does not equate to me being disruptive. | |||
| :Oh, and as I clearly stated in that followup commentary, the "''several'', ''some'', ''many'', ''few''" topic you added is very much already covered by the ] portion of that guideline. So, if your elaboration on that aspect belongs anywhere on that page, it's in that section. And like ] states: "Use good judgment when deciding whether greater specificity is actually in the best interests of the article. Words like ''some'' or ''most'' are not banned and can be useful and appropriate. If greater specificity would result in a tedious ] of items with no real importance, then Misplaced Pages should remain concise, even if it means being vague. If the reliable sources are not specific—if the reliable sources say only 'Some people...'—then Misplaced Pages must remain vague." ] (]) 10:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| That's all I have say. This is not how I wanted to leave Misplaced Pages. But with my own declining health, it was only a matter of time anyway. Take care. | |||
| :: The problem with the BRD essay is that it doesn't cover an equally valid way to handle things... BDR. You could have asked me questions like "don't you think its covered in WEASEL already (No, it doesn't. WEASEL is about bias, LAZY is about precision. They are closely related and perhaps overlap in some examples, but that's all.) You could have made a post on the talk page asking what others think. You know, sometimes the sky won't fall if a fresh idea sits on the page and stews, allowing many people to get a chance to read it (Hell, you could have marked it with a {{template|Brainstorming}} tag or something). Deleting it within moments is aggressive, and if you're going to do that, you owe it to the other editors to be the one to raise the issue on the Talk page. ADDED: I also see you haven't mentioned a complaint about the intensifiers "very" and "really" (though, you yourself misuse them <s>very much</s> often)... you could have edited my guideline section to just those, and left the "Several" talk for later. --] ] 11:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Flowers for Flyer== | |||
| :::], unless you want to see how long we can go before one of us wins ], we are not going to have this discussion in two different places. And if you try to have it in two different places, I'll likely simply revert you here at my talk page, with an edit summary. Since it's my talk page, I can have WP:The last word. The thing is this: I was completely in the right to revert you, especially regarding a guideline page, and there is no Misplaced Pages policy or guideline stating that I was in the wrong to revert you. It is your opinion that I was in the wrong to revert you. But the Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines are supposed to have WP:Consensus. You had no WP:Consensus for that addition, as evidenced by my reverting you because I disagreed with your addition. Not that it's simply a matter of what I state. But to assess what other editors think on such a matter, the matter should be taken to the policy or guideline talk page. It's . I stated before that I don't like it when editors come to a policy or guideline looking to impose their view on that policy or guideline because of a recent dispute they had somewhere on Misplaced Pages or simply because of their personal tastes. Yes, in my opinion, the "''several'', ''some'', ''many'', ''few''" topic you added is very much covered by WP:WEASEL. Above, you stated that "WEASEL is about bias, LAZY is about precision." But, um, the LAZY bit you added is also about bias; it mentions POV. And POV naturally and often comes with bias in such cases. Deleting a non-WP:Consensus addition to a guideline "within moments" is not aggressive, and I find it odd that any significantly (like my intensifier there?) experienced Misplaced Pages editor would think so. Not just for a guideline, but for editing in general. Misplaced Pages editors don't have to let an edit stand because it's polite to do so; we revert when we disagree with something. We are then supposed to discuss the matter if it is worth discussing, instead of repeatedly reverting each other. I don't owe it to you or anyone else to be the one to take a matter to the talk page if I'm not the one intent on including the information. The ] policy, for example, was created for that type of thing. | |||
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| :::As for your grammar lesson: No, keep it to yourself. Almost every "grammar expert" I encounter on Misplaced Pages needs quite a few grammar lessons before attempting to teach anyone on the topic. I'll use the words ''very'' and ''really'' the way that I want to in discussion. And contrary to your assertion, I don't use them often. Nor do I use them in Misplaced Pages articles, unless they are a part of a quote. That, other than not every word you added needing to be mentioned, is why I avoided mentioning them to you -- because I'm not fond of their use, and have been known to remove "very" from Misplaced Pages articles and reword the matter. I don't see "really" much on Misplaced Pages; must be our tastes in Misplaced Pages articles that makes the difference there. ] (]) 11:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *Not what I wanted to wake up to. You take care of yourself; you and your families health is much more important than any drama that happens here. It has been a pleasure working with you and watching you work. Misplaced Pages has just lost one of their best editors. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the project over the years. You will be missed. ] ] 16:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *Yes, this truly sucks. Maybe after your health issues are resolved, and the drama dies down, you can come back. That will always be my hope. Take care, happy holidays, and best to you. ] (]) 17:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| I feel like you've made a personal attack on that talk page. I think phrasing viewpoints using "I" statements rather than "You" statements, and ensuring comments are about the edits/ideas not the editor are beneficial and avoid escalation. Lastly, if I ever cited WP:DICK to someone else, I'd feel like I was the one being a dick. --] ] 12:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *I am very sad to see you go. After losing editors like Doc James, and now you, how many highly valuable users must this ArbCom chase off the site? I think the essay about the problem of ]s aptly describes the situation: {{tq|As a result of the arbitration committee's failure to deal with these issues, the committee has effectively abdicated the responsibility for ensuring neutrality, verifiability, and other content standards to a few users...who patrol these articles and attempt to keep them free of disruption. These users are generally very knowledgeable about the subject and committed to Misplaced Pages's policies on proper sourcing and appropriate weight. Unfortunately, they tend to burn out....The patient ones tend to go more quietly. They become disillusioned by the never-ending problems and the lack of support from the Misplaced Pages community, and stop editing on these topics or quit the site entirely.}} That is what happened today - even though many more in the community do support you, as you saw. I also would have had plenty of diffs presented about how those few disgruntled users ganging up on you and pinging each other are in fact the problem. And as for how you are with newbies, the only reason I became a regular editor is because you were kind to me and I saw from your example that improving Misplaced Pages really was possible. '''Thank you for your many years of service and hundreds of thousands of edits.''' The topic of human sexuality, among many others, have benefited greatly. You should take great pride in all you've accomplished over the years. I hope you enjoy your retirement to the fullest degree possible. I also wish the best for you and your family regarding health and the other issues of life. The rest of us will undoubtedly step up our work to ensure continued quality in these areas. I hold out hope that one day you will choose to come back. If so, you will be warmly welcomed. Kind regards, <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *{{ec}} I echo the comments made by {{u|Aircorn}} and {{u|Crossroads}}. I have worked with you on a few different articles and you have been extremely helpful and pleasant to contribute with. I wish you all of the best with your off-wiki situation and hope to see you back in the future. -- '''] ]''' 18:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :If you feel like is a ], then go ahead and report me; see how far you get with that. Judging by how you approached this entire matter, including , it's clear that either you don't know how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, despite your several years editing this site, or you don't care. It's that, or you simply are not as experienced editing this site as one would think by assessing the age of your Netoholic Misplaced Pages account. You were , like I knew you would be. ] (]) 12:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * I likewise echo the above sentiments. Thanks to you, I have learned so much about what it takes to improve as an editor and make productive contributions. I think your absence from Misplaced Pages will be a huge loss as I find your work on articles and your dedication to this site invaluable. This situation really sucks. You've been a guide for me on what a good, even-minded, well-sourced, and thoughtful contributions to a wiki looks like and I so appreciate all of the advice and guidance you have given me. I really hope you decide to come back one day. I am so sorry to hear about the health issues occurring with you and in your family. I will keep thinking of you and I wish only good things for you, Flyer. ] (]) 20:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *''']'''--] (]) 21:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::That editor has never edited that page before, so its unlikely it was on their watchlist. I think devoting so much time to making snap decisions and combating vandalism would make me very aggressive and impatient, but at least I'd probably be in touch with other editors to help me out in difficult moments. Eh, but I don't want things to always be a battle... very stressful and unenjoyable... so I'd avoid that sort of thing. -- ] ] 12:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *If this retirment is permanent, then I'll deeply miss you. Best wishes to you and your family either way. The sooner your health improves, the better. I know from experience how it can be very frustrating when things go badly on Misplaced Pages. Sometimes we just need to temporarily step away from it all before spending time on the site is enjoyable again. Hopefully you return at some point. No matter what follows in your future, know that you won't be forgotten. ] (] / ]) 00:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| * I'm very sorry to hear about your retirement and your health issues, Flyer. The door is always open to you should you choose to return to Misplaced Pages in the future. Best wishes, ] (] - ]) 03:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::Given that the "Contributors" option in the page's edit history is currently not working, how do you know that editor has never edited that page before? Whatever your belief, that editor commonly contributes to discussions on that guideline's talk page, as shown in its edit history. It is on his WP:Watchlist. As for my reverting vandalism: Similar to what I stated of your grammar lessons, save the psychological analysis for someone else. I told you before that I don't tolerate passive-aggressive nonsense; so I suggest you stop replying on my talk page from here on out. ] (]) 13:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * I miss you already. ] (]) 05:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| * At least the legacy of your 14 years of labour here will be improving the world's understanding for many decades to come. I'll say prayers for the health of yourself and your family. ] (]) 07:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == What was wrong with this edit? == | |||
| *Very sorry to hear the terrible health news. Please take care, best wishes, and thanks for all your great work. ] (]) 09:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *This news is just absolutely devastating. I have many women's articles on my radar but through the years as I've seen controversies come and go I've always known that we had the capable hands of Flyer to keep and restore our women-related articles to reflect a modern-day acceptance of the rights, the accomplishments, the history, etc. of women. Flyer easily falls into the top three leading editors when it comes to women. I pray that once Flyer's health problems are resolved she will return. Flyer is our very own Gloria, Florence, Rosie, Sojourner, Malala, and so many others who have had the persistence and the courage to speak out for women. ] (]) 17:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC) (PS, just so it's understood, like the rest of us Flyer does not walk on water! Re the MED sourcing disagreement, IMO Colin and Waid were right.) ] (]) 16:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| I think you should've provided edit summary. Tool/software pretty much distracts from the subject. ] (]) 12:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * You were one of the first editors I remember encountering on here when I first started editing many moons ago, and I've always been blown away by the heart and dedication you've poured into your contributions. If there's one thing I've always known about you, it's that your motives were always clear and never hidden. Though we may have disagreed at times, I never doubted that you always had WP's best interests at heart. No single editor can fill the gaping hole left behind in the wake of your departure. You will be sorely missed. May God bless you and your family during these difficult times. --] (]) 17:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| * This makes me so sad. You are one of our finest and our best. I can't bring myself to write that in the past tense. Take good care of yourself, Flyer, and come back to us whenever you're ready. As the Quakers say, I will hold you and your family in the Light. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 01:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :I reverted because of improper formatting (the heading) and because it doesn't seem to me that those See also links are needed; in addition to appearing to be something a guy added to emphasize a POV about man-hating, they appear random, especially the non-existent Lifetime Movie of the Week link. But feel free to add them back if you want. ] (]) 13:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *Very sad to see WP lose a fine editor who contributed with a lot of heart and soul. I read enough of the discussion to come to the conclusion that you were railroaded. Best wishes and hope you return. ] (]) 02:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sounds much better. Thanks. ] (]) 13:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *I feel terrible reading about your experiences with the virus, it's nightmarish that this is happening to anyone, let alone someone so recognizable to many people. We did not interact a lot but I've seen you tons of times and I'm well aware that you've done great work for Misplaced Pages. I'm also saddened to learn that you have had to deal with ANI issues and conflicts here on the site. Misplaced Pages will be worse off with you gone, but the most important thing is for you to make sure to do what's best for you and those close to you.] (]) 05:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| * I am very disappointed to see you leave, Flyer. As more editors like you leave the project Wikpedia will slide further into advocacy. Unfortunately ArbCom doesn't seem to appreciate that by accepting the case they would be perpetuating the harassment you are experiencing. Being put on trial and having to defend yourself is a stressful experience, and nobody should be put through that unless there is clearly a problem. I think they have been too quick in accepting the case. ArbCom should review the three ANI cases first and only take on the case if they feel that those cases arrived at the incorrect conclusions. I hope your family's fortunes pick up over Christmas. ] (]) 15:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::I see that the IP had already added them back anyway, except for the aforementioned non-existent link. The heading still needs fixing; per ], we go by sentence case and not title case. ] (]) 13:22, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *We were never buddies, Flyer, but I greatly admire and respect the enormous responsibility you took over having our most contested and vandalized gender & sexuality articles on your Watchlist. An ArbCom case doesn't inevitably lead to sanctions but being a participant in a case proceeding can be taxing. Having lost my last aunt & uncle to COVID-19 this spring, my thoughts are with your family. Take a break from Misplaced Pages if this is stressful and tend to more important matters. But come back when this plague has lifted because the project needs you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 03:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Why do you guys keep deleting my edits.. I'm using facts? ] (]) 02:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *Flyer, it definitely sounds like you need and deserve a break from the grind here. I hope you are able to put the Arbcom nastiness and drama from your mind and focus on the real life things that really matter. I hope your family members get better and that you stay safe. Hang in there. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 07:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *Best wishes for your family's COVID troubles, I'm so sorry to hear it. I hope taking a break will help with the stress. ] (]) 15:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| *Best wishes for you and your family. You have been failed by two communities now, and that sucks, but I hope that both improve and we'll see you around again. [[User:Eggishorn|<span style="background-color: | |||
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| Hello Flyer22 | |||
| #FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span>]] ] ] 19:42, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| I'm a newspaper reporter who's researching an article on the Negroni cocktail. I see that you've edited the Negroni Misplaced Pages entry several times recently. Specifically, it looks as if you have deleted the alternate version of the creation of the Negroni cocktail. | |||
| * So very sad to see you go. I hope you and your family are well. This website has treated you terribly and over the years I've been witness to the number of times, by virtue of the areas you edit in, you have been harrassed or wikistalked, and it's very sad to see this final straw. I don't think we deserve you back; what you do deserve is a wonderful time in the real world :). Yours --] (]) 22:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Could you tell me why? | |||
| *I have not interacted with you, but I have seen your name here and there, and I am extremely disappointed to see another valued and principled editor leave the project, especially in this nasty/drama way. I admire greatly editors who roll their sleeves up and do the difficult work for the good of the encyclopedia. I hope that you are able to take a break, look after your family and come back to us when all is well again. Family comes first. ] (]) 07:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 17:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm sure I don't have to tell how personally grieved I would be if you left and didn't return. And also what a blow it would be the Misplaced Pages, and by extension the world. I'm sorry all this happened. I hope you change your mind. ] (]) 12:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *Hi Flyer. We interacted a few times over the years. I have not been very active on Misplaced Pages during the past couple of years due to multiple issues, but I have always admired your work and dedication to improve Misplaced Pages. Best wishes to you and your family. ] (]) 03:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, {{User|MrkHay302}}. I reverted you for the same reasons that others reverted you, as seen , , and Did you not read their reasons for reverting you? To sum up, your additions go against ]; do read that policy. Also, why have you moved from the {{User|Hanegroni}} account to the MrkHay302 account? Per ], you should generally stick to one registered account. And, yes, I got the two emails you sent me (haven't yet read them in their entirety). But, like my user page states, "Keep in mind, however, that, concerning Misplaced Pages, I only regularly email with a select few (and I do mean a very small group of people from this site). So for others, if you email me, make sure that it is about something that makes my user talk page less than ideal to use for that message. Otherwise, I may very well ignore you, especially since replying back will provide you with my email address (one of them anyway)." ] (]) 14:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *I only just noticed your retirement now. Thank you for all that you've done for Misplaced Pages and although this is a well deserved break I hope that you eventually consider editing again in better circumstances. Farewell, —]] – 17:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Too young to go. I don't know you personally, but I saw you many times at the Anatomy project talk page. You always tried to brush-up difficult pages (e.g. sex organs). I respect your efforts. Thank you and rest in peace. (or edit more at WikiHeaven!) --] (]) 13:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Need your input == | |||
| * I can't believe this happened. I know we didn't interact much, but thank you for being with us on Misplaced Pages all these years. Goodbye friend. My condolences to the friends and family of Flyer22 Frozen. ] (]) 20:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| On the article, ]. Reason is simple, main contributors have been either indeffed or topic banned from editing this article. I am alone for months, on the verge of 3rr. Recently, I had thoroughly checked at least one section of the article, had figured a number of errors in summaries. So you may also want to check rest of the article, other than the recent changes. Thank you, regards. ] (]) 01:17, 31 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll help out with that later. In the meantime, any backstory you can give me on ? ] (]) 02:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes I had, before I would write here, ]. ] (]) 02:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Okay, OccultZone, I see that the editor has not yet revered again. I've put the article on my ], but I'm not sure that I'll leave it on there. If that editor adds back the material, I'll revert and advise him (via edit summary) to take the matter to the talk page, if you don't beat me to that first. You should also consider leaving a message on his talk page about the matter if he reverts again. ] (]) 11:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Hey == | |||
| Hey, how you been? Mind giving me your input on something soap related? ''']''' ] 00:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Late to replying because I was busy with other Misplaced Pages matters, but, sure, go ahead and ask me. Is it related to ? When checking up on ] matter, I saw that an editor has reported you there. ] (]) 15:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: It is in response the talk page of ], actually. The ANI unfortunately followed; an action I did not see being made. ''']''' ] 17:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::], there are currently two very recent discussions at that talk page (the Child Actresses and Removal of content sections); which discussion do you want me to weigh in on. Or is it both? ] (]) 16:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Both, plus at WP:SOAPS. Sorry for late response. Kind of taking a back seat on Misplaced Pages lately. ''']''' ] 15:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Okay. And I just weighed in . A break from Misplaced Pages is understandable, especially if you are not getting the Misplaced Pages help that you need and feel too stressed out as a result. I'll comment in those sections now. ] (]) 12:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Glad you understand, and thank you for your comments and opinions. ''']''' ] 21:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Rahil Gupta == | |||
| Hi , | |||
| This is the first work of mine . And i did it for Rahil Gupta because He has done something substantial in militant hit state and provided job opportunities to so many people. I don not know much about editing but what you people feel good like you can edit accordingly . | |||
| Thanks, | |||
| Arjun <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi, | |||
| I know the review of the second season only consisted of one line, but I was planning on adding to it later on. I was also hoping that another editor would add to the section. | |||
| ] (]) 21:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello again, {{User|SpiritedMichelle}}. Regarding , I still don't think that there is much you can add about the critical reception for seasons 1 and 2 that would not be redundant and would require that the section be split into subsections for that material. In this case, I see it as best to expand first and then divide into subsections if needed. But I will remove subheadings if I feel that they are unneeded. | |||
| :On a side note: When conversing with me at least, I ask that you consider keeping the discussion on the page that it first started on (unless it needs to be taken to a different talk page); this keeps the discussion ]. I'm not a fan of disjointed discussion. You can simply use ] to ping me back to the discussion if you don't think I'm watching the talk page. ] (]) 21:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Okay, got it... <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Pet psychic == | |||
| Hello. | |||
| I think the problem in this article is that critics like: | |||
| "In 2008, a study using neuroimaging provides the strongest evidence yet obtained against the existence of paranormal mental phenomena. Using the assumption that psychic ability originates in the brain, the authors used fMRI scanning of participants' brains during the use of psi and non psi stimuli. Participants were either emotionally or biologically related to one another. The experiment was designed to create positive results if psi phenomena occurred. While the participants' reactions to non psi stimuli were as expected from previous studies, the psi inducing stimuli showed indistinguishable difference to non psi stimuli." | |||
| are NOT related to the article, these critics should be on the paranormal article. | |||
| Also works of neuroscientist Persinger show contrary results compared to this studie.] (]) 02:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Uhmm... The removal of the quote was not "silly." It was discussed on the talk page and agreed upon. Perhaps some looking around before commenting in the future. ] (]) 20:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Um, {{User|Cebr1979}}, yes, removal of the quote was silly and, since I did look around and why the removal was silly, I stand by that the removal was silly. I am quite familiar with what it takes to create a ] or ] character, television or film article. Removing the role commentary you removed is silly to me; my opinion on that won't be changing. And since I barely edit soap opera articles anymore, I likely won't have to deal with the ] and ] behavior you . Not that I'd tolerate it anyway. | |||
| :Oh, and if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot. ] (]) 23:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thank you, ]. I should have helped you sooner on the aforementioned ] issue, though. And I wouldn't state that I am always a supreme editor. As you likely saw before you gave me this barnstar, I can certainly get the better of me while on Misplaced Pages. The reply to that particular editor was a combination of being frustrated by and personal issues that I have to deal with daily. I'd much rather stay as cool-headed as ]; I obviously can stay that cool-headed. But consistently the way he does? Sometimes it's just not worth it to me, especially if I'm dealing with a situation where I wish that people's understanding of a topic was as in depth as my understanding of that topic and then I have to compromise what I know with how they perceive the matter. I don't know everything (and I know that many people hate a know-it-all), but the things I do know well are things that I don't like to see compromised. But Misplaced Pages... It's a place well compromises are often made to ensure the collaborative process. Thanks again. ] (]) 04:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's fine, Flyer22. We all let things get to us. You still deserve the Barnstar! So don't even think about the negatives. You helped out when you could and that's what matters, especially since others couldn't be bothered to help out! You rock! ''']''' ] 16:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Farewell barnstar == | |||
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| You have crossed the line for undoing my edit to The Amazing Spider-Man 2, you have violated ]. I will have to report you if you undo me for the second time. Understand? '''~'']'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 17:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :No lines crossed. Flyer acted ] according to the -- length of a summary should be 400-700 words. Making threats is definitely against the rules. Plus posts to talk pages should go to the ''bottom'' of the page, not here. Plus it was only one revert not three.--] (]) 16:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::] ]: Thanks, Tom. {{User|NiamhBurns10}}, you should not be citing any Misplaced Pages policy or guideline if you do not understand it. I did not cross the line by reverting you . Nor was the revert a ] violation, which means reverting more than three times. Go ahead and report me; see how well that works out for you. | |||
| ::Oh, and if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot. If you revert me on the Spider-Man 2 matter, I won't have to revert you again; someone else will eventually take care of that for me. ] (]) 16:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::It was you who violated ], not me. '''~'']'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 18:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::{{User|NiamhBurns10}}, judging by your interaction with me (including your failure to comprehend WP:3RR even after it has been explained to you) and your talk page, I see that you severely misunderstand how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work. Should not be too long before you are indefinitely blocked. I now will ignore any further replies you make to my talk page in this section. ] (]) 17:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Email: ] article == | |||
| I can only hope I'm replying the right way. How can I email you? I think it would be better for this situation. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{User|Ruthlessgem}}, see on my user page about contacting me. But keep in mind that I don't need a lesson on ], and that I won't base the lead of the Sex and gender distinction article on your or my personal feelings about the subject. There are ] that we should follow. The sex and gender distinction is about distinguishing biology from social aspects; as I told you on your talk page, that is part of why (the main reason why) I reverted you at that article. | |||
| :On a side note: Remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. A bot signed your username for you above. And if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot and gave your post a heading. ] (]) 02:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Given what , it seems best that you simply communicate with me on Misplaced Pages. Unless, of course, what you have to state is personal and you would rather it not be stated on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 03:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Quick acknowledge regarding ] == | |||
| I didn't remove the link because of a ] issue; I was merely re-arranging the references before I added three new citations that were more direct. | |||
| I paused because I got hung up on the mis-matched page numbers for Strassberg & Lockerd, 1998 (citation #4 lists "page 416", even though the publication ends at 414; I can only assume it was mis-typed and was supposed to be 406). Incidentally, I'm confident the original link to "Specific Sexual Fantasy Themes: A Multidimensional Study" was a ] and re-wrote it as link to the journal's website. | |||
| In short, didn't remove anything. Thanks for keeping an eye out, anyway. ] (] • ]) 05:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I appreciate you replying to and ; I should have paid better attention to the ] link (which I associated with ]); I clicked on it, but only skimmed it (it's not a guideline I've ever referred to, though I have referred to the ] guideline that it is a part of). As for this that you consider a ], your commentary sounds unsure and I'm also unsure of that matter being a WP:Copyvio issue; I'm not sure that when a free version of a source is provided, that makes linking to that version a WP:Copyvio since the paid version is still up and running. I know if the free version is provided by the publisher, that changes matters, but I'm uncertain about WP:Copyvio in the case of an unrelated source hosting the full version. ] (]) 05:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I see that ] about the matter. Thanks. ] (]) 22:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Image in ] article == | |||
| See the article's ]. —] 09:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I know, ]. The article is clearly on my ]; therefore, you don't have to ping me to the discussion about or post to my talk page about it to tell me about the discussion. I am in the process of replying, even though clearly not fast enough for you. I take my time, and do other things in the interim, such as revert vandalism. ] (]) 09:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Okay. I have not gotten into many discussions in talk pages before (or if I did, it was years ago) so I was not sure whether you would be notified. —] 17:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Soliciting comment... == | |||
| Hi! Would you care to review ] for the article ]? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at ]. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! ] (]) 23:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], feel free to solicit me for any comment; I certainly solicit others on Misplaced Pages for commentary, whether it's via ] or otherwise. But, though, I've offered commentary in WP:FAs, I've never truly taken on the role of a reviewer. I might comment in your nomination, but I'm not likely to act as a full-time reviewer there. ] (]) 00:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For all of your dedication to helping improve this site for over a decade, I feel you deserve some props. I feel very grateful for how we crossed paths and know I'm far from the only one who values your contributions. ] (] / ]) 00:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| == Comment == | |||
| : A tremendous achievement! Thank you for your continued support of STiki and your tremendous impact on the security of this invaluable knowledge resource. ] (]) 04:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Wiki MUST change the arbitration system. Maybe do it in private in the beginning and then open it up for comment before decision making. Sorry for my outburst on your talk page. I am just a simple editor. ] (]) 04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == Congrats == | |||
| Hey Flyer, big big congratulations for reaching the 100K mark on STiki! classified edits.--''']''' <sup>]</sup> 05:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Best wishes== | |||
| :I second that, just noticed you had crossed the 100K, very well done! ] (]) 16:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer22, I'm not at all caught up (like maybe 1 percent), but I still wanted to first and foremost extend my best wishes to you and your family and to your collective health. | |||
| {{You've got mail}} | |||
| :A candle among roses | |||
| == Don't revert and claim "minor" edits: ] article == | |||
| :In the evening garden | |||
| And in the future you might want to actual read what is being changed before you jump the revert gun. ] (]) 21:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :A shooting star | |||
| :A flash of the moon's gown | |||
| :A spark of the sun's hem | |||
| :In syncopated eclipse | |||
| :Emissary of day | |||
| :IP, with regard to , the ] tool marked the revert as ]; this is because your edit was reverted as vandalism or as otherwise problematic. I've read that source before, but it looked to me like you were removing a quote to state something that is not supported by the source. In the future, you may want to leave a ] before you edit, or better yet sign in. You clearly are not new to editing Misplaced Pages, and I don't want to see you type a thing about simply editing as an IP. I am not the editor to give attitude to; if you give it to me, I will give right back at you (usually). | |||
| :In night's dark kingdom | |||
| :Unseen at home | |||
| :Lucid in exile | |||
| :Opposite of the moth | |||
| :The firefly is light | |||
| :<small>--]</small> | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": ] article " so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 22:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| All the best, ] 08:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :: whether i'm using an IP to edit or log in is irrelevant to both my edits and your responses to them. You should always take a deep breath and read the edits in question before flippantly reverting.] (]) 22:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I think the light is gone out. ] ] 11:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Nope, not irrelevant in the least, especially given that the vast majority of vandalism and/or other unconstructive edits on Misplaced Pages are committed by IPs. Nor is it irrelevant that you use WP:Edit summaries if you don't want editors to think that you are fouling up a quote on a highly contentious topic. I will revert in an instant if something looks sketchy to me, and ask questions later. Perhaps . I'm done discussing this with you. ] (]) 22:29, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. ] (]) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sad news indeed. She did so much amazing work here. Created high quality and needed content in a very difficult topic area. She will be impossible to replace and will be much missed by many. ] (] · ] · ]) 14:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == A barnstar for you! == | |||
| :::: ahhh, so you've completely eschewed assuming good faith in order to expedite your editorial oversight. Very well. don't let this pesky IP editor waste more of your valuable time.] (]) 22:52, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Change of subject: is very familiar to me; you might want to change that up a bit if you are trying to remain disconnected from your registered account, which you clearly are. All the IP changes in the world, whether a ] or not, can't keep me from recognizing a registered editor who is editing as an IP and associating that IP to their registered account. ] (]) 23:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Stalk== | |||
| And I wanna also know why you find the need to stalk what I do and change everything. I wouldn't change what you do. And I think that was correct. So next time, please consult me before you change my choices and opinions and facts all together. Jump off. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{User|Hagor423}}, considering that you, at this very moment, only have two edits under your Hagor423 account, and , I don't know what you mean by "stalk what do and change everything." | |||
| :On a side note: Don't hijack an old thread to comment to me about something unrelated. You should start a section on my talk page and make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved to the correct spot and titled it. ] (]) 23:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, Flyer. Don't revert . --] <sup>'']''</sup> 23:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :This a sock of {{User|Don't delete my edits please}} or just someone who doesn't get WP? ] (]) 02:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==] article== | |||
| Is Misplaced Pages owned by you? | |||
| No? So, why do you think that you can suppress one edit without any justification? | |||
| --] (]) 07:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], no, Misplaced Pages is not owned by me. But your unsourced/] material does not belong in the Artificial general intelligence article. Thus I reverted you, as seen and . There are ] you are supposed to go by. Misplaced Pages article content should be based on ], per the ] policy. You think you can add anything you want to this site without justification? Think again. But go ahead and revert me again; either way, your content will eventually be removed. | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section by changing "AI" to "] article" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 09:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] I believe you are confused, or trying to waste my time. This has nothing to do with "own research" but with common sense. Most Misplaced Pages text is not just a citation from previous papers... and this by itself, put out of context by some user, as he wishes, can be seen as original doing. There are a lot of "original" papers and biased information built that way. | |||
| The approach chosen in the this Misplaced Pages text suppresses a simple mathematical issue, the ], that anyone with a BSc should understand by himself. Do not confuse that with a research paper, just because you want to suppress what you didn't know, and don't want others to know. | |||
| Of course, I will put it again... but I will link to ], perhaps this will help you to understand. | |||
| Regards | |||
| --] (]) 13:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :<small>{{U|AlvoMaia}}</small> Please adhere to ] when you make edits. -- ] (] · ] · ]) 14:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], I am not confused, but it appears that you are. Though I am quite certain that you are not new to editing Misplaced Pages (judging by your instant creation of your user page and you remembering to sign your username, which is uncharacteristic of very new ]), you appear to not be familiar with some aspects of how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work. Do become familiar with those aspects, starting with the policies and guidelines page I linked to above and ]. As for your assumption that I am not familiar with the artificial general intelligence subject, that is only an assumption and I won't elaborate on what I may or may not know on that subject for your benefit. But, as my user page is clear about, science, though I hardly edit predominantly science topics (unless one wants to count sexual orientation, anatomy and/or other medical articles as that), is one of my strong areas. And do hold off on the ], such as the "which is obviously a contradiction" text you used for your entry. ] (]) 14:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] I'm new in Misplaced Pages as a contributor, and that is the reason why I thought no justification was needed to add something important (I thought it was obvious!), and that is the reason why I answered you in that way - because your suppression was not obvious... I'm sorry if it sounded hard, but I still do not understand your "good faith" suppression now. | |||
| It is not difficult to understand some basic stuff. I only entered to see if it is worthy or not to put some valuable knowledge, without being suppressed instantaneously by someone else, without any rational justification. I did not mentioned anything about your particular knowledge on AI. I just mentioned that the text was ignoring a very basic mathematical statement on finite sets and power sets. If you are not able to judge the text by itself, such as to understand that infinity can not be equivalent to finitude, and that is an obvious contradition, what can I say? | |||
| I will fight you back? Of course not! | |||
| Do as you wish. | |||
| Consider this as a simple personal test. | |||
| --] (]) 15:32, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't like reverting your edits, but they do not comply with the Misplaced Pages guidelines. Please research by following the links above and likely noone is going to revert you. -- ] (] · ] · ]) 15:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] I do understand that consensus here can go by adding number and not by adding reasons. The above reasons are fully explained. It is not "own research" and it does not need reliable sources as the text is self-contained. It does not add anything just by putting the name of the author or the source where it was published. If the editors do not understand the simple fact that infinity and finitude are not the same thing, then I have nothing more to say. This was just my test to see if Misplaced Pages is runned by humans or not. It seems it is not. It is just runned by humans that like to emulate citation machines. Thanks. | |||
| --] (]) 16:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I ''do'' have experience in this area and can tell you that your addition ''does'' need sources (and more context). Articles are not written only for people with BSc degrees. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] I added this subject, in good faith, as it is an important issue concerning Artificial Intelligence with finite machines. The text is self-sufficient, as many other paragraphs that we can read in Misplaced Pages. For instance, check the whole paragraphs written about the power set, they have no references, and that is not needed, as it just simple mathematical reasoning. This is mathematics, not literature, or other opinion subjects. | |||
| Mathematical reasoning has a problem... it is either true or false by itself. It does not need a citation to become true. | |||
| If you truly believe that there is something that is unclear, please let me know and I will try to make it as clear as possible. | |||
| I used the same degree of context that I see in other mathematical subjects. | |||
| You might think that is not only a mathematical issue, but you can not ignore what mathematics has to say about it. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :AlvoMaia, I stated that you are not new to editing Misplaced Pages; I mean that it's very obvious to me that you have edited Misplaced Pages before creating your AlvoMaia account. I already went over the reasons why it's obvious to me. You can try to convince me that you are entirely new to editing Misplaced Pages, but it will not work. The fact is: The vast majority of Misplaced Pages editors do not create a user page as soon as they show up (the ones who do ), and the vast majority of very new Misplaced Pages editors do not remember to sign their username. They also do not use words such as "good faith," a direct reference to the ] guideline. The fact that you do all three puts you in the "definitely not completely new to editing Misplaced Pages" camp, as far as I can see. And as for you stating, "I did not mentioned anything about your particular knowledge on AI"... Your "13:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)" post quite clearly suggests that I reverted you because I don't understand the subject. In fact, you outright stated: "The approach chosen in the this Misplaced Pages text suppresses a simple mathematical issue, the ], that anyone with a BSc should understand by himself. Do not confuse that with a research paper, just because you want to suppress what you didn't know, and don't want others to know." | |||
| :You can surely go about your business. I'm not watching the Artificial general intelligence article, and I have no interest in further discussion with you. ] (]) 19:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer22, I just did what I saw here being made, it is a shame that you assume other things. I created the webpage as it is said when you enter wiki and I created the talk page because the link here pointed red. If you do not believe, check the history. I signed, because I saw here that everybody signed (and it is the 3rd button on the editor). I used the term "good faith", because this is what it appears in your suppression (again check the history file in AGI). I tried to fit in, and I comply with reasonable things, but not with unreasonable ones. | |||
| This discussion here just began because of your supression. I understand that you don't question what was written, you were just doing automatic stuff, following some instruction 22 from the Misplaced Pages machine processor. I do not argue with machine behavior, machines are always right... in their own world. | |||
| --] (]) 20:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :It's a shame that you are still trying to convince me that you never edited Misplaced Pages before your AlvoMaia account; you are wasting my and your time. Notice that I never stated that you are not somewhat of a WP:Newbie; in my "14:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)" post, I indicated that you are, while also making it clear that I don't believe that you are entirely new to editing this site. And as for your use of "good faith," oh, yes, I considered that you got that from my ] revert, but then you used it again (without quotation marks). | |||
| :Move it along, and leave me alone. ] (]) 21:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer22, I never touched this page, you believe what you want. But, do you think it is a proper way to say goodbye with "Move it along, and leave me alone"? Is this a Misplaced Pages rule standard? | |||
| --] (]) 23:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|AlvoMaia}} There comes a time where further conversation is pointless. The addition you're making isn't going to stay unless you provide a proper cite. Simple as that. Flyer's response was no less "proper" than your continual insinuations that we're acting like automatons. Please respect her wishes and do not post here again continuing your fruitless argument. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:43, 22 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==]/] (DFSA)== | |||
| "Someone needs to come up with a better way of keeping these topics distinguished if these articles are to remain separate." Can you come up with something? --] (]) 21:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, ]. I figured that you might want to talk with me after I made that statement, and you thanked me for it via ]. As for a solution to better distinguish the topics, it seems that I came up with one following that comment (if that's not already the point of both articles existing); seen with (pardon my typo -- the missing word ''to''). Do you think that you can work with that, or is it not distinguishing enough? And while we're on the subject of date rape, do you have any opinion on merging the ] and ] articles? Like I stated in there about it, I'll eventually get around to starting a ] on the matter. As you can see, the editor (]) who reverted you on merging the Date rape drug and Drug facilitated sexual assault articles is also for keeping the Date rape and Acquaintance rape articles separate. | |||
| :On a side note: I tweaked the heading of this section by adding "]" to it so that it's clearer as to what this discussion is about. I also obviously linked the term ''date rape drug.'' ] (]) 21:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{Ping|Flyer22}} Thanks. {{added}} ] to both articles and I also created ]. --] (]) 22:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::LOL, David (may I call you David?), you don't have to ping me at my talk page; I'll get the message without the ping due to the talk page alert. ] (]) 22:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oops, I though I was on my page. Yes you can call me David, thats my first name. Interestingly ]s have been used as date rape drug '''and''' incapacitating agent, like ]. --] (]) 22:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == A kitten for you! == | |||
| ] | |||
| A kitten for you! | |||
| ] (]) 03:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| You've got mail. -- User:holdenlaneginsburg <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{User|Holdenlaneginsburg}}, see what is stated on my user page? I see no reason that you need to contact me via email regarding the ] article. I also don't visit that email often; what I mean by that is that because Misplaced Pages ], I very recently changed my Misplaced Pages email from Yahoo! to that address, but I am not very interested in checking that new account (it's foreign to me). Simply reply to me on your talk page or my talk page. Using Misplaced Pages to reply is not difficult. Remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. A bot signed your username for you above. ] (]) 05:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == A cup of tea for you! ] article. == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In recognition of all the years you spent making Misplaced Pages better than you found it. ] (] · ] · ]) 14:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks, ]. And, as you know, I got your message as well. ] (]) 14:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| {{user precious|header=child protection|thanks=, user with significant knowledge in the ]/]/]/] fields, for quality unbiased articles on these topics, such as ] and ], for explaining {{diff|Sexual orientation|519445357||edit summaries}}, for your firm stance on child protection, for your collection of vandalism moments, -}} | |||
| ::Sorry about this. I reworded some more. Cheers! ] (]) 15:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| You are recipient no. ] of Precious, a prize of ]. --] (]) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Nothing to add but that you were unique - dealing bravely with topics others would not dare to touch - and you will be missed and remembered. --] (]) 15:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::], that's okay. As for your extra rewording, like I stated , a lot of what you removed in was not a ] violation, at least in my opinion. You caught the "it should be raised a little bit" part that I missed. But, for example, I left in the "The nose should be considerably softer and more pliable than normal." part because it's not telling a woman to make the nose of her cervix a certain way, which is complicated to do anyway; it's simply informing her how it should feel in that specific case, which is a health aspect to me. But, anyway, the article definitely needed cleaning up in the word department (still needs more in that regard), and your showing up at the article has resulted in a better article. | |||
| ==Rest in Peace== | |||
| :::On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with "] article. " so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 15:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Reading of your passing is sad news. You did so much to improve and protect the project. You will be sadly missed here and, I feel sure, in real life. My deepest condolences to your family and friends. ]|] 15:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I am truly sadden by this news. Fly was my friend! I first met her back in 2014, while working on ], a soap opera article we brought to FA--at the time, the sixth and the third FA about a soap character. Fly was a polarizing figure here on WP (you either loved her or well, didn't love her), but she always treated me with respect and kindness. We supported each other and were always there for each other. I was always appalled about how factions of WP treated her. She was a dedicated and passionate editor. I loved her and will miss her, and WP (and the world) will be a much, much sadder place without her. My condolences to her family. ] (]) 16:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==] article== | |||
| == Sad cat == | |||
| This is amyjow. Sorry, didn't know I had to give sources. As for my editing of Rebecca Budig's page, it was public information. It was either in print previously or things she herself has mentioned on her show or social media or to me personally. I saw that some public info about her was missing and I just thought I'd make it more accurate. Sorry I overstepped the boundaries. ] (]) 21:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| :{{User|Amyjow}}, you're new to editing Misplaced Pages, so your unsourced edits to the Rebecca Budig article are understandable. The good thing is that you stopped and listened to me about our ] (WP:BLP) policy. Yes, contrary to popular belief, Misplaced Pages articles generally rely on sourcing, or are supposed to. Note that not just any sources are acceptable; the sources have to pass the ] guideline. If you aren't sure about whether or not a source is reliable, feel free to ask me here at my talk page about it. In the meantime, you can become familiar with the way Misplaced Pages is supposed to work by not only reading the aforementioned linked pages, but also by reading the linked pages listed at ]. | |||
| <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;">]</abbr> —]] – 16:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| {{clear}} | |||
| == Rest in peace == | |||
| :And if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot and titled it. Also, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. I signed your username for you above. ] (]) 21:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Goodbye Flyer22. You will be missed. :( ] (]) 16:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I miss you, Flyer. My deepest condolences to your family for the loss of someone who was clearly a very special and caring person. I made a donation today to Oxfam Canada to honour you and to give myself hope that the work you have done for women and children will somehow continue. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| How would you feel if I re-did the ] article, and updated it to match current soap articles? They work you provided on it is incredible, but given the resurgence in soap articles by some of us users, I'd love to tackle the page. But I didn't want to do it without asking you, since I believe there's real potential in its article and since you had a hand in its first reconstruction! ''']''' ] 03:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * I don't recall working on any specific article with Flyer (I'm more a friend of a friend) - but I always respected what they had to say, and I CERTAINLY appreciate all the hard work they put in here at Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry to see this, and I offer my condolences to friends and family of someone who I viewed as a very good person. Rest well Flyer. ] (]) 17:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| {{collapse top|Ave Maria}} | |||
| Ave Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| ::I would not remove anything from the article; if anything, I'd re-structure and re-organize, as well as add upon! Will start soon! Thanks again! ''']''' ] 04:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| :::There are some things that need to be removed from the article; for example, some aspects of the Background section that are should instead be paraphrased. The extensive quoting there might be a ] problem. The Plot section is out of control, per ] and ]. I understand that there is a lot more plot information to summarize for a soap opera character that is from a show that usually has a new episode every day of the week than in the case of a prime time character that is from a show that has a new episode every week except for hiatuses, but that plot section can be significantly condensed. I didn't contribute to most of it, and was always concerned about it being too long. There are ] that need to be fixed in that article as well, if they can be. ] (]) 04:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Ave, Ave, Dominus, | |||
| ::::Thank you. I will definitely take these things into consideration when doing the article. ''']''' ] 16:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Dominus tecum. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Why have you removed my comments regarding Jimmy Saville? I think you will find what I posted was factually correct. You have no right to remove factually correct information. It's not a big secret that he was a dirty paedo, and in the last few days it has come to light that he liked to indulge in necrophilia. Mind your own business, before I start editing your work! ] (]) 21:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus, | |||
| Having just read through your information I conclude that you are a complete nut job, obsessed with fannys, don't bother to respond to me in filter out mentalists. ] (]) 21:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Et benedictus fructus ventris (tui), | |||
| :{{User|Stuartflys}}, I reverted you because was ] as far as I can see, not simply ]. On Misplaced Pages, your edits are everyone's business; see ]. As for threatening me: LOL, go ahead and start editing my work; see what happens. And as for "aving just read through your information," I'm not sure what you are talking about. Nor am I sure what you are talking about by "obsessed with fannys," unless you mean protecting ] and ] topics from pedophiles or advocates of adults engaging in sexual activity with children (which isn't at all clear from my user page, and is rather something someone knows by being familiar with my editing; but either way, it's not a matter I'm obsessed with). Ah, let me look at the dictionaries; there's and , for example. So you mean that I'm obsessed with the ], ], the ]? That I'm obsessed with sexual activity? Why, because I primarily edit anatomy and sexual topics? That makes me a nut job? Okay then. But as for calling me a nut job, you'll have to come up with a better insult than that. I've been called worse on this site. | |||
| Ventris tui, Jesus. | |||
| :And if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot and titled it. Also, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. I signed your username for you above. ] (]) 22:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Ave Maria! | |||
| == Jennifer Lopez has sold 80 million records Worldwide as of 2014 and i don't think it's right you keep changing it == | |||
| Hi If You actually did your research and read the articles i posted you would know that since may of 2014 Jennifer Lopez has sold 80 million record worldwide i feel that it is not right that people keep reverting my changes when i have included up to date articles from 2014 which state that she has sold 80 million records worldwide as well as a film gross of 2 billion dollars what i want to know is why do you and others keep using articles from 2011 and not 2014 you say always cite reliable sources well i can give you 3 articles which state the same thing that Jennifer Lopez has sold 80 million records for example:1.www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-jennifer-lopez-aka-20140615-story.html#page=1 article title:Jennifer Lopez on dating, her split with Marc Anthony and First Love. 2.www.forthone.com/music/news/jennifer-lopez-reveals-album-title-racy-artwork/ article title Jennifer Lopez Reveals Album title & Racy Artwork 3.www.rantlifestyle.com/20-hottest-female-musicians-in-the-world-today/ Article Title: 20 Hottest Female Musicians in The World Today (] (]) 17:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)). | |||
| Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, | |||
| == Avatar == | |||
| Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, | |||
| I appreciate your notice to me about seeing the talk page and previous discussions. I had previously read these discussions however each page as to stick to the rules set by Misplaced Pages or there is no point rules being there. Thank you anyway. I have restored the page to what it should be. WARNER one --] (]) 20:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Ora, ora pro nobis; | |||
| :Hello, ] (9999). I already explained what the deal is regarding the ] when reverting you and . This is not a matter for my talk page; it is a matter for the Avatar (2009 film) talk page. You should not enforce your recent solution, seen and , on every Misplaced Pages film article and should instead treat the matter on a case-by-case basis. It does not seem to me that you read the past discussions, or at least enough of them, to see why only "American" has stayed in the lead in this case. And as for following the rules: ] is policy; ] is a guideline. I ask that you do not ] over this matter, as your recent edit history shows you have WP:Edit warred over different film matters, and instead try to achieve a new consensus; ]. ] (]) 21:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Ora, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, | |||
| :And my follow-up note is . ] (]) 21:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Nunc et in hora mortis, | |||
| :I see that you've about the case-by-case matter by ], one of the best film editors around, and yet you have persisted in such contentious edits without discussion. Well, alrighty then. ] (]) 01:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| In hora mortis nostrae. | |||
| Enough said. I give in. You want it your way then have it, I will not participate further in the matter. Thank you. WARNER one--] (]) 14:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| In hora, hora mortis nostrae, | |||
| :] (9999), it's not about winning or having it one's way; that's a take on Misplaced Pages that you need to correct. The matter in question is about you making a case for your changes on the talk page. If you can't hold such discussions, then you will not do well at Misplaced Pages unless you edit things that generally don't need discussion. We can and should hold off on the ] violations and see if we can come to a new WP:Consensus. I don't mind much at all not having any country listed in the lead; as noted above and on the article talk page, it's your approach that I took more objection to. As for , not needed; so removed. ] (]) 14:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| In hora mortis nostrae. | |||
| Just get the fact, I don't want to participate further in the matter. However when you mention the way I done it, you need to clear up your thoughts and facts. I used a reference to Misplaced Pages guidelines while making an edit, which is done every day by thousands of Wikepedians. I then left a polite message on your talk page. You still ignored what I wrote. You then have tried to manipulate mistakes that I have made in the past. What ] told me was his personal recommendation. I replied to him to say my reasons and explain that I was restoring the page in question to how it had been for 4 years (with good reason). I appreciate his recomendations and do examine pages on a case by case basis (including Avatar). I am not happy of your ways of trying to continue this matter now that there is closure to the issue in question. I do not want it to continue. If you feel you must continue writing pointless excuses here then fine but I honestly don't care. I have moved on. I am now a member of ] and am persisting in helping constructively on other areas of Misplaced Pages. So please don't continue the matter. It's over. Thank You ]. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding ] comment added 15:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :] (9999), I get the fact you don't want to participate further in the matter; this is why I stated: "If you can't hold such discussions, then you will not do well at Misplaced Pages unless you edit things that generally don't need discussion." Like I noted , you don't discuss; you simply WP:Edit war. And that kind of behavior will be cut swiftly at this site. There is nothing that I need to correct regarding my characterization of your behavior. Your characterization of what I did, however? Namely your assertion that I ignored what you wrote? The above shows otherwise. And there is no "" on my part; I noted your mistakes, plain and simple. Learn from them. I'm not sure what page you are referring to when you state "had been for 4 years (with good reason)." But the ] at the Avatar (2009 film) article has been to maintain only "American" in the lead when it comes to what country produced the film, which is why ] ; she reverted because you had not achieved WP:Consensus for your change. I was not trying to continue the matter. I suggested here on my talk page that you partake in discussion if you want your edit implemented. Likewise, Betty suggested as much on the article talk page. You've moved on? Good for you, I suppose. But the discussion can continue without you. Betty, for example, as shown by past discussion and the current one, has interest in not solely listing "American" in the lead. You don't get to dictate what is and what is not over for talk page discussions. ] (]) 16:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I am not dictating anything. I am not in the matter any more. stop this pointless continuation. END. ] (9999) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding ] comment added 16:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Ave Maria! | |||
| :] (9999) (the last time I'm going to ping you via ] in this discussion), you are trying to dictate the matter at hand (the country discussion) if you are stating that it's over simply because you are no longer involved with it; and telling you so is not pointless. What is pointless is you continuing to come to my talk page to tell me how much you are not involved. If you don't want to be involved anymore, then simply stop replying. You don't get to tell me to shut up. Per ], I do, however, get to tell you to stay off my talk page. Consistently signing your comments also helps if you do comment on my or any talk page; the bot shouldn't have to do it for you. ] (]) 17:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| {{cob}} | |||
| *''<u>no words to express</u>''--] (]) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *You will be missed my friend. Love.]] 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Userscript you may like == | |||
| == Thank-you, Flyer == | |||
| Considering that you use the rollback, and then a dummy edit to signify why you've done it, you can use the userscript 'Rollback "in place"' at ] to right click the 'rollback' button and to leave an edit summary whilst using rollback. Additionally, it's useful because it won't redirect you to any other page, but leave you on that page. Just wanted to let you know of this addon. ] (]) 16:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Flyer, so much of it is thanks to you that I was able to develop and improve as an editor over the years -- not simply on Misplaced Pages but on other wikis as well, in addition to many collaborative efforts building shared documents. When I returned to Misplaced Pages and asked you a question on your talk page, you were so kind, welcoming, and helpful, and I felt 100% better about my return. I can't tell you how much I appreciated your guidance on Misplaced Pages matters. Over the years, whenever I saw you were involved with an article on Misplaced Pages, I felt that much more secure with the veracity and quality of that article. Your passing represents an immeasurable loss for Misplaced Pages as well as all the editors you've guided and helped in their development. ] (]) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| I'm stunned by this news. Flyer was a boon to Misplaced Pages. Though I'm a seasonal editor at best, I am a frequent lurker -- referencing Misplaced Pages daily, using it as a place to begin my research using its sources. Many of those sources were vetted by Flyer as the articles I'd often reference were ones Flyer was involved with. Over the past seven years, I saw the dedication, effort, and devotion she put into improving and maintaining the qualities of these articles. It's nearly impossible for me to imagine a Misplaced Pages without her and I can only imagine the loss felt by her family and friends. It's even a struggle for myself to come to terms with and I didn't even know her name. I am so sorry for the devastating loss of Flyer experienced by her family and friends, beyond deeply saddened that Flyer passed, and I feel this is a major loss for Misplaced Pages. | |||
| Why did you undo my changes if they were in good faith? Do you have sources to support the revert you made? ] (]) 17:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Thank-you, Flyer, for your guidance and your part in helping me develop as an editor and collaborator. I miss you so much on this site, you were a gift. ] (]) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, IP; I for what I assume are the reasons {{User|Mail Seird}} reverted you (partly why at least): Your addition was unsourced, and was additionally ]. ] (]) 17:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == We will miss you, Flyer22 == | |||
| But Wiki can't become an anti-UK hate site, now, can it? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ] | |||
| This is indeed a very sad day. I first crossed paths with Flyer22 nearly 10 years ago. My first thought was, "this guy must be an F-22 pilot". We've never had much interaction, because when she crossed my watchlist it was usually because of her relentless work in patrolling new edits. But I have had a chance to observe over the years, and see first hand some of what she <s>does</s>did through my activities at BLPN. | |||
| At Misplaced Pages, we're all supposed to be equal ... in theory. But, as Yogi Berra said, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." | |||
| == ]s == | |||
| I've always been proud to be a part of Misplaced Pages. It's always been gratifying, if not somewhat humbling, to be able to work among so many people who are so incredibly intelligent and have such high integrity. But, like all society, there are always certain individuals who stand out among the crowd. People who you can look up to. Polyamorph. Materialscientist. SlimVirgin. Doc James up there. Seeing what Flyer22 has done for Misplaced Pages over the years, I have always held her in the highest esteem. She too has stood out among the crowd, and her loss is a devastating blow, not just to Misplaced Pages, but to her family and to the world. We will miss you Flyer22, and may whatever god, chi, or spirit you believe in take you and carry you. There are many here who will mourn this day for some time. | |||
| "As the article shows, a sex position is not always penetrative; nor is it always direct stimulation. for example, in the case BDSM, a person may get in a sex position purely for psychological stimulation" | |||
| The force will be with you. Always. ] (]) 18:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Hmm... that's a ''really'' broad definition of a sex position, which would not only include BDSM-related acts such as being tied up or whipped, but also watching somebody (e.g. voyeurism) or standing somewhere. I should also note that BDSM is not mentioned anywhere in the ] article, neither are paraphilia. In fact, it hardly mentions anything about atypical sex at all, except perhaps such rare positions like ]. The page is exclusively focused on penetration and manual stimulation of sex organs, and I think we should adhere to that scope. Cheers, <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">] <small>(])</small></span> 18:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Devastated == | |||
| :Hello, ]. I figured that you would bring and matter to my talk page; I was tempted to advise you in a ] to not bring the matter to my talk page. This discussion belongs on the article's talk page. | |||
| I cannot believe you're gone, Flyer22 Frozen. When I glanced at your talk page a few minutes ago, I thought you'd retired and I was going to leave a goodbye and thank you note to you, with a wish that you'd return to us one day. | |||
| :My point of mentioning ] (I certainly was not talking about all aspects of BDSM) was to counter your assertion of "I can't believe this was in the *lead* section of the article. If the act doesn't penetrate or otherwise stimulate, then how can it be a sex position?" Obviously, not all sex positions include sexual penetration. A man may get into the ] (or something similar), for example, simply to stimulate the woman's ], without sexually penetrating the woman. And some people get into a sex position for ], which is often more so psychological stimulation than physical stimulation. The of the Sex position article is not "exclusively focused on penetration and manual stimulation of sex organs," nor should it be. There is a "Non-exclusively penetrative positions" section and a "Non-penetrative positions" section. ] is not always penetrative; for example, oral stimulation of the outside of a woman's ] (meaning not between the vulva) is not penetrative (even oral stimulation between the vulva, like I noted , is often not considered penetrative). I made a point of stating "direct" when replying to you, and that's because the article's sentence was not stating that the sex organs are not involved. Sex organs can obviously be stimulated indirectly, which is where ]/foreplay comes in. ] (]) 19:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| But then I read further, and I'm devastated. :'( I remember our interactions from years ago, keeping BLPs free from bad content and being kind to one another. I am utterly saddened that those days are gone for good. | |||
| ::I agree with all you wrote... but what I meant was: if someone's sex organ(s) is/are not touched one way or the other, then you can't call it a sex position. Of course, you don't have to touch somebody to stimulate (arouse) him/her, but arousing somebody is not a sex position. | |||
| ::I have brought this matter to the article's talk page, as you suggested. Cheers, <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">] <small>(])</small></span> 10:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you so much for everything you did. Best wishes to your family. ] 19:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::], then you missed the point of what I stated. The point of what I stated is this: People can get into a sex position for the purposes of non-penetrative sex, which is indeed covered in the article and is a point you seemed to dispute; your statement above even claimed that the article focuses exclusively on penetrative sex, which is clearly wrong. The "direct stimulation" bit is, I'm sure, not meant to imply "otherwise we mean sexual arousal"; "indirect stimulation" covers more than sexual arousal. I think that the person who added "indirect stimulation" was referring to indirect stimulation of the genitals, which, when referring to sexual activity, is usually classified as anything that does not involve manual stimulation or the penis getting pleasure by penetrating an orifice (meaning penile penetration for a man is direct stimulation for that man); "indirect stimulation" especially concerns indirect stimulation of the clitoris (look on ] or ]; it's there). For example, the coital alignment technique is often considered indirect stimulation of the clitoris, where manual or oral stimulation of the clitoris is usually considered direct stimulation (sources can vary on the matter regarding oral sex, and manual or oral stimulation may indirectly stimulate another area of the clitoris). Notice how talks about sexual penetration only indirectly stimulating the clitoris? I objected to your edits because what you removed is covered by the article. But as for sexual arousal specifically regarding a sex position, that is addressed in the Non-penetrative positions section; it mentions ]. | |||
| == Very sad == | |||
| :::I'll now comment on the article's talk page. ] (]) 20:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I've very sorry to have you leave us ] (]) 19:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Sad == | ||
| So sorry to hear the news, greatest sympathies to Flyer22's family and friends. Although I had my disagreement's with Flyer22, I recognised she did important work especially in the area of ] which greatly improved and protected Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I saw you thanked me for that. Do you remember that conversation between us a few years back? I was making some changes to my archives, saw it, and realized my mistake. Funny how time flies, now we've worked together on stuff again. ''']''' ]</span> 20:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==In memory== | |||
| :], yeah, thanks again for . I pride myself on having a very good memory (usually remembering things that people can't remember no matter how hard they try), and such a memory has served me well on Misplaced Pages, but I don't know what discussion you are referring to. And, yes, time has flown by very fast since I was heavily into editing the Jennifer's Body article years ago. ] (]) 23:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * Thanks for many contributions. Rest in peace and condolences to family and friends. ] (]) 21:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm shocked and saddened to hear this news. Flyer22 is an editor I've been familiar with for as long as I can remember in my Misplaced Pages experience, and literally the first editor I remember thinking about as a highly respectable and valuable contributor with a lot to teach others. Our interactions probably do not number that many, but I've seen a great number of their edits and talk page messages. Whether I agreed with her or not, I always saw Flyer22 as an intelligent and good faith contributor whose opinion I gave significant weight. There's no denying that she had a great many Misplaced Pages-specific skills, whether an eye for socks or an eye for finding good sources. She will be sorely missed; her edits have made a great impact on this encyclopedia both to us as editors and to our worldwide audience, whether they know it or not. — ] (''']''') 22:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *This is devastating news. Flyer's work was first class and of immense benefit to Misplaced Pages. She will be greatly missed. ] (]) 00:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *So very sad to hear. You are irreplaceable, Flyer22 Frozen. We will always love you. ] (]) 01:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *RIP ... I'll always remember your diligence, tenacity, and passion for the project. Misplaced Pages is certainly a better place thanks to the contributions you made to the site. ''']'''] 08:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I'd like to add my condolences to Flyer22's family. I've spent a lot of time reviewing Flyer's contributions recently and would like to take this moment to say how much of an asset she was to the community. She will be missed. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 08:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * I am very sad to learn of Flyer's passing. I did not know Flyer personally but we had some interactions on Misplaced Pages. Flyer dedicated so much of her time and energy researching and improving Misplaced Pages. We should all follow her example. Her contributions will last a very long time. This will be her legacy. Sincere condolences to her family and friends and loved ones. ] (]) 03:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Just now learning of this. Rest in peace, Flyer. Your work here is exceptional. <sup>Thanks,</sup>] ] 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Shocked and saddened. She was one of the editors I looked up to. My condolences to her family and friends. '''] ]''' 16:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Very sad == | |||
| ::], haha. ''']''' ]</span> 01:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| My condolences to your family and friends. ] (]) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::LOL, that discussion shows the level of our inexperience at that time (I'd only been on Misplaced Pages for two years then). But still, I was correct. I mean, I'm not sure which rule you were referring to, but ] states otherwise. You were also obviously going by a different Misplaced Pages name at the time. Thanks for the reminder. ] (]) 01:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Same, please take care, family and friends. ''']] (])''' 04:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Awful. == | |||
| :::I just looked at when your Misplaced Pages account was registered; you were more of a ] than I was; I was pulling up on three years with the site since I joined it in May 2007 (but there were still a lot of Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines I hadn't mastered), while you had just joined the site in March 2009. ] (]) 01:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| This is awful, just awful. I don't ever recall feeling this shocked, upset, and sad about the notice of someone passing that I never met in real life. I'm really very, very upset. She leaves a hole that can never be filled. My condolences to ]; please pass on my thoughts to other members of your family, and let them know there are people who really cared and felt her presence, though in my case, never knew her personally. She will be deeply missed. If there is one Misplaced Pages editor I would have liked to meet in real life, and get to know, it was she; now I never shall. I am so sad. ] (]) 21:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Length of comments == | |||
| :{{u|Mathglot}}, I feel this. I cried when I saw this. For about a hour. It hits you hard because many of us are faceless, pseudonymous comrades who carry the torch of the wiki. May you be granted peace in your grief. ]｟] ]｠ 02:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| : I cried when I saw the news this morning, and I've been processing it all day. The loss is just immense. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Not over this loss. I think about this void, my loss, Misplaced Pages's loss, every time I'm at an article which Flyer would have improved, or commented on. Trying to channel her, to figure out what she might have said or done; but I'm not up to that task, she was unique. Not over this. ] (]) 18:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| : This sucks. I'm p.o.'d. ] (]) 01:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Still upset. ] (]) 09:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == For those interested == | |||
| Hi again. I'm glad that the dispute on ] is settled. However, I feel like I must make a friendly (I hope!) suggestion about your style of commenting. I've looked at your posts on this page and Talk:Sex position, and they tend to be very long. You ramble on and on about a subject, covering enormous amounts of details, some of them not very relevant. If you would make the comments a bit more abridged, I'm sure they would be much more comfortable to read. | |||
| ], written in 2013... I've protected Flyer's subpages, which included some drafts; if you want them unportected so you can work on them just ask. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Admittedly, I recognize it: I tend to do the same thing. If you look at ], for example, you'll see that my edit summaries are often quite lengthy. When I edit an article, I usually ponder over every little aspect of it, but I'm having difficulties prioritizing the information. I should also note that I have been diagnosed with both ] and ] (among other things), which tends to include such behavior. | |||
| == My Benediction For You == | |||
| Anyway, nice meeting you. You seem to be a kind person. Take care! - <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">] <small>(])</small></span> 21:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Peace to you and to your family. May your memory and contributions forever bless our project. You <s>were</s> are loved. I know I'll miss you. May we meet again on some wiki project in the next life. ]｟] ]｠ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :]: Like I've stated before, I am aware of ]; I only make such a post when I think it is needed to sufficiently explain the matter at hand. I don't consider these posts "rambling," especially if it helps a person understand a matter they didn't otherwise understand, as is often the case with sexual topics (as recently as ). My long post at the aforementioned Sex position talk page, in response to you, apparently didn't help you better understand the matter at hand, except for the fact that "indirect stimulation" can be defined as part of a sex position. But I'm not always going to be successful in fully enlightening someone. Furthermore, the vast majority of my posts, as also shown on my talk page, are not long. | |||
| == May you rest peacefully in eternity == | |||
| :Good day to you. ] (]) 21:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *I was concerned to see that you had retired, and shocked to learn that you had passed. We never had the opportunity to interact, but I feel the loss of a good editor, nonetheless. My condolences to your survivors, all those you loved and befriended. Rest in peace, Flyer22. ] ] ] 22:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==FA comment: Megadeth article== | |||
| ::We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. ]] 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Hello Flyer22. If you have some spare time these days, can you take a look at ], an FA candidate of mine? The review is ], so I'll be grateful if you can leave your comment/vote whether the article deserves to attain FA status. Have a nice day.--] (]) 22:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| : |
:::Sad news. Your work in Misplaced Pages will be appreciate for the eternity. Rest in peace Flyer. --] (]) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
| == I'm so sad to learn of this == | |||
| ::], I put off replying to you because I'm leaving the idea of me commenting in the Megadeth WP:FA review open. I'm not certain that I will, but I'm not ruling it out either. So, yes, as backup, you might want to ask someone else so that the person fills my spot. | |||
| I've crossed paths with Flyer so many times over the years, and I'm absolutely shocked and devastated to learn of her death. She made so many outstanding contributions to the project, and she will be much missed, as an editor and as a person. --] (]) 00:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Very upset to hear of this ... == | |||
| :::Again, my sincerest apology for being a bore, but I prefer when editors respond whether they're available or not. If busy, can you at least check the non-free media used in the article?--] (]) 17:25, 5 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I've been thinking on this all day, and really can't put it well into words. I'm one of the few folks who knows Flyer22's name, and have spoken with her and her brother more than once. Behind the scenes, she did immense work on identifying banned editors - many pro-pedo ones - and this annoyed some of those folks, to the point that she was getting credible death threats and rape threats. I remember all that. Yet, she put her head down and kept working on the project, and did so for many years. I have a huge amount of respect for her and what she achieved, though we didn't always agree either. I am shocked and saddened that she is gone - I really don't know what to say - ] <sup>]</sup> 01:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Happy 4th == | |||
| :Wow. I never knew that part of the story, although it was apparent something had happened back then, I just never knew the details. That's pretty scary, but it explains a lot. I've had the privilege of talking with her on occasion, and offered her advice she didn't always agree with. I don't know her real name and never really gave it a thought. She'll always be Flyer22 to me. | |||
| Hi Flyer22, | |||
| I |
:I'm like Mathglot. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, over someone I've never really met. She was a shining star, and I'm just thinking ... hoping, that maybe she's up there somewhere, and maybe the sky won't be a little less bright tonight. ] (]) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
| :A great loss to Misplaced Pages. Condolences to her family and many friends, on and off wiki. For many years, she watched over important articles in sexuality and gender topics and that made her a target for some of the worst harassment on ENWP. Yet, she kept showing up in the true spirit of Wikipedians who believe in our mission. She will be greatly missed. Sydney Poore/]] 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, ]. I've seen you around as well, and also appreciate the work you do around here. Happy Fourth of July weekend. ] (]) 23:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Dreadful shock == | |||
| ::Also, perhaps my username stands out to you because LOL. ] (]) 00:03, 4 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Woke up today and saw this fell news. Daresay I'm at a loss for words, had difficulty believing my eyes at first. I've crossed paths with Flyer22 in countervandalism and counter-LTA activities often, and it to me seems a disastrous loss to the community as a whole. Flyer22 (as Alison mentioned above) did valuable work for the encyclopedia. Now we have only a hollow that can never be filled. Rest in peace, Flyer22. We'll never forget your contributions. My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to Flyer's family. '']]'' 02:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Haha. That is funny. You know what they say, when all else fails, stick you thumbs in your ears and say "Nanny-nanny boo-boo." That person's probably ashamed of their own name. It's been my general experience that people who toss out insults are really talking about themselves. ] (]) 08:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == The North remembers == | |||
| == The edit you undid: ] article == | |||
| Just going over our old GoT debates, good times. If you happen to somehow read this, thanks for that. Sorry and good luck to friends and family reading this; from what she taught me at ] (twelve walls of text down), she seemed proud to be part of her pack. ] (]) 05:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I dont think this edit: was vandalism. ] (]) 11:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| {{small|Seven years on, I still think ], however. ] (]) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)}} | |||
| :], I didn't revert that edit as vandalism; I as a ] edit. I was not sure about the change, and felt that it's best to stick with the ]. Since you have not reverted me, I take it that you aren't sure about that edit either? | |||
| == Rest in peace... this is devastating. == | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": ] article" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 22:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I dont speak Bengali so I cant vouch for the accuracy of the translation. But it looked better than the one before. I'll go ahead and undo your edit now :) Cheers, ] (]) 03:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I never crossed paths with Flyer22 (only seen her in early January when I found them reverting some vandalism on articles under WPTC banner back in December), but seeing this news pretty much devastated me. Flyer22's death is devastating, devastating loss for Misplaced Pages. I don't have more words about this, but I am hoping that there is some editor that can rise up to fill the void. ''']]]''' 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::You undid my edit before replying here again. Anyway, ] (]) 03:23, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| * Devastating is exactly the right word. ] ] 16:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Miss you == | |||
| == Take it for what it's worth or not == | |||
| I am devastated. You did so much good for me, for other editors, for Misplaced Pages, and yes, for the whole world. This site is the most used reference work there is, and you put so much work into making sure that so many topics, including especially important topics relating to women and children, were well covered. And you gave of yourself and persevered for so long in ensuring they continued to be of increasing quality. Your work has a ripple effect reaching ever outward, educating countless readers and from there, others. Your legacy lives forever. | |||
| I honestly do not intend for this to come off as a personal attack, though it may. This is how I've perceived your actions... over an edit of 126 characters. | |||
| Rest in peace, Flyer. | |||
| I thought I'd shown that they had the same function with the initial citations but that got wikilawyered (I don't say that lightly - 5 WPs for 1 undo with updates to address the concern talk about disproportionate response and lack of civility), I ignore the ] & ] I got after a single revert, address the ] for discussion issue to standard. Then I get wikilawyered again. I shrug it off and go about trying to address the ] which I thought I'd done by ] in the first place and citing a religious law that is applies in 25% of the countries in the world. I shrug that off to and go about getting as many varied primary or quality sources as I can. That was no easy task - countries where English is prominent enough to have legal documents I can search are mostly colonies or former colonies who adopted English Law. I get a few new policies thrown at me and a statement of 'I still see no indication that "age of maturity" is commonly used to mean "age of majority."'. You won't find such a thing because where English style law rules Age of Majority is the term used (or no term) and 'age of maturity' does not appear in any case law I could locate. In countries where English law is '''not''' prevalent you find the term 'Age of Maturity' used more often due to the influence of various religious laws which use that term in the exact manner English law uses 'Age of Majority' to establish a person as an adult in the eyes of the law. No one would ever have need to compare the two because they serve an identical legal function that is finished as soon as it starts. Despite all this I went back to all my sources and parsed out the relevant passages and connected everything as best I could, flushed out the weak spots & ditched the bad citations (Australia, my initial source was out of date). I sought help here assuming there was some misunderstanding on my part. I was about to contact you on your talk page when I started reading through some of it and found that this is a consistent pattern of behaviour - 93 times WP was used in only 37 topics. You've quoted policy/guides/etc to me 27 times in less than 48 hours and not once did I feel like you were actually trying to work with me to come up with something that would work - just that it was wrong because of X and Y and making sure that every detail was cross posted like you had to make sure the principle knew what I was up to no matter what room he was in. Many of your other interactions read this way as well. Quite frankly, that type of behaviour is exactly why people are not coming back to edit. ] (]) 02:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 06:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :JMJimmy, you titled this section "Take it for what it's worth or not." I take it like this: I follow ], unless there is a valid ] reason not to do so. I point out those policies and/or guidelines to editors who are unfamiliar with them or may need a reminder on them (or simply in case a ] comes across the discussion). If people cannot take the time to read and follow those policies and/or guidelines, they should not be editing Misplaced Pages. Call that ] if you must; I do not. I do not care not if those people come back, since they are one of the main problems with Misplaced Pages. I did not point you to so many Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines that you could not get the handle on what was happening. And like I noted to you, the ] policy was pointed out to you on your talk page years ago by a different editor (], who is now retired); you should have familiarized yourself with that policy by now. In fact, you've been with Misplaced Pages under your JMJimmy account since 2006; you should already be far more familiar with the way Misplaced Pages is supposed to work than you are now, even with being a sporadic editor. Editors who have been registered with the site for as long as you have and yet are still significantly inexperienced with it make it harder on the more experienced editors; instead of being on the same experience level, we are put into the role of teachers to the less experienced. And just like teachers often face hostility for pointing out rules or expecting their students to get caught up on those rules and follow them, very experienced Misplaced Pages editors face hostility from WP:Newbies or otherwise less experienced editors for doing similarly when it comes to teaching. | |||
| == Vale == | |||
| :And as for not trying to work with you to come up with something that would work, I offered suggestions at the ] talk page. I also stated there that "perhaps it is acceptable to take your alternative approach and simply note in the Age of majority article that 'age of maturity' is another term to indicate the age of adulthood, not that the terms are synonyms." Your response to that was essentially, "Screw the rules because I'm fed up with you." Whatever problems you have with my approach to interacting with WP:Newbies or otherwise inexperienced editors, it is an approach that many very experienced Wikipedians have (except maybe for as much cross-referencing as I do). And I won't be changing my approach, especially since I don't see that I've done anything wrong regarding my interaction with you. (For example, what lack of civility are you talking about on my part? Certainly none that violate ].) I that I am sorry that I upset you, and I am. But you won't see me stating that I'm sorry for how I handled the matter at hand. ] (]) 02:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I'm really saddened to hear of this loss; for Flyer22's family, friends and for our community. Flyer22 was always an impassioned Wikipedian and I have worked with her for the better part of a decade now. She was, I believe, a fundamentally decent person and I hope her real life was less troubled than her Misplaced Pages existance where, like a bright warm light at night, she continually attracted editors with an unhealthy attention towards her. I'm so sad to here she has passed away of health issues and wish I could have got to meet her in real life to say hello and share a cup of tea. You'll be greatly missed, Flyer22. May you rest in peace. Vale. --] (]) 08:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Issues that relate to civility (only because you asked - I said my bit, getting back to the work): | |||
| ::*I felt your cross-referencing was excessive and brought issues with it that didn't need to be - not to the level of Wikihounding but enough to make me feel singled out | |||
| ::*https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers while not a Newbie, it's been some time since I've edited here 5. Strive to respond in a measured manner - 2 reverts, 8 WPs in 1 paragraph as the first interaction I've had with you (that I know of anyway)... Not a great way to start out | |||
| ::*Avoid Misplaced Pages jargon. When linking to policies or guidelines, do so in whole phrases | |||
| ::*Explain yourself. Not sufficiently explaining edits can be perceived as uncivil - a couple extra sentences and holding off on the EW probably would have gone a long way. | |||
| ::*Someone may very well be an idiot. But telling them so is neither going to increase their intelligence nor improve your ability to communicate with them. | |||
| ::You didn't use the word idiot but calling my experience into question and dredging up something from 5 years ago simply because I do not edit much '''here''' and assuming I was not reading up. I read each and every one you linked, I read at least half of the associated essays for each one as well, the five pillars, and a whole lot more. Mostly to catch up on the changes. I have a fair amount of experience, though definitely not as much as you. With that in mind, my first citation, prior to any reversions, it states: | |||
| ==A sadness and a hope== | |||
| ::*"''In Islamic sources, however, reaching the '''age of maturity is deemed to be the point of leaving childhood and becoming an adult''' which results in full criminal responsibility. Additionally, in none of the Islamic schools is '''the age of maturity under Islamic Shari’a law''' in complete conformity with the age of 18 as enshrined in international instruments and the age varies for boys and girls.''" | |||
| I am deeply saddened at the loss of Flyer. I feel that the work she did on ] and ] is the among the very best on Misplaced Pages. Thousands of people every day are coming to Misplaced Pages to find out more about these two deeply significant parts to the human body, and Flyer produced two well researched and well written, balanced, neutral, and informative articles that allow them to discover more. They are two shining examples of what Misplaced Pages is really good at, and they are Flyer's legacy. I had always hoped to work again with Flyer on another article or two of their quality. Sadly this will now not happen. | |||
| However, I am encouraged by her brother's comments in his email that Flyer's younger sister will probably be opening a Misplaced Pages account in the near future. I do hope that the sister will be welcomed, and will be encouraged to stay and pick up on Flyer's work. If she does open an account I pledge myself to offering her as much support, encouragement, protection, and advice as she needs to get settled. As part of that commitment, my first piece of advice is that the sister does not pick over the bones of any current or past disputes. Halo suggests she may do that, but that would not be a good idea. If the sister has any of the research skills, intelligence, determination, and courage of her sister, she will be a great asset to Misplaced Pages and may come close to equalling (or even exceeding) Flyer's achievements. | |||
| ::I bolded what is important. We are not concerned with criminal responsibility or international treaties, those are attributions that are not fixed to the term/conceptualization. We are not even concerned with the specific age or school as the point of trigger. | |||
| Goodbye Flyer and welcome (hopefully) to Flyer's sister. ] (]) 12:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::*'''age of maturity is deemed to be the point of leaving childhood and becoming an adult ... the age of maturity under Islamic Shari’a law...''' | |||
| :I appreciate your adding kind words. I want to clarify that Halo has since sent another email making clear that the only reason the younger sister would have joined is to confirm what happened and that's it. He said that won't be happening now as it doesn't seem needed. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 17:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Now we compare that to our definition: | |||
| ::*"''The age of majority is the threshold of adulthood as it is conceptualized (and recognized or declared) in law.''" | |||
| ==Very sad== | |||
| ::We have 3 elements to our definition: The term, the trigger, and the scope. | |||
| I've had many positive interactions with Flyer over the past 15 years, and have seen the considerable good work she has done here and have only good memories. I will miss her. ] ] 13:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I am going to miss Flyer. She’s one of the bravest editors I have ever seen. Heart of gold and a spine of steel. A good human being. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Term: Age of Majority - Trigger: threshold of adulthood - Scope: conceptualized (and recognized or declared) in law | |||
| **I am terribly sorry to hear this bad news. Flyer was a great editor and I had enormous respect for her work. She will be missed. ] ] 16:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Term: Age of Maturity - Trigger: ... becoming an adult - Scope: age of maturity under Shari'a law | |||
| **One of the best of the best. I worked with Flyer on several woman-related articles but watched over many more that she watched over. It was so reassuring to know that when she was involved in the editing women would be fairly treated--not by putting men down but by careful research that backed her positions. We were so lucky to have her and she will be sadly missed. ] (]) 18:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **I want to add my voice to all of those who are going to miss Flyer. One of my earliest editing memories was being by Flyer; the civil, well-reasoned and instructive discussion we had afterwards motivated me to read sources, engage on talk pages, and made me more interested in getting involved in the project. she was inspirational, and I will miss her greatly. My deepest condolences to her family. ]] 18:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer's retirement news was already saddening, so to now find out she has died is even worse. May this valued editor rest in peace. Misplaced Pages won't be the same without her! ] (] / ]) 23:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Requiescat in pace. Flyer was a mainstay of Misplaced Pages's women-related articles. Her knowledge and care will be tremendously missed. My condolences to her family and loved ones. ]] 07:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Vaya con Dios, Flyer22 == | |||
| ::The conceptualization in the latter is implicit, but can be cited. How much more synonymous can you get?! That alone should have been enough to address the issue. Any other considerations are specific to the jurisdiction/situation and cannot change the term (unless absent), trigger, or scope. They can change when the trigger is triggered, but that does not change the term/trigger/scope themselves. Given the above and while fully understanding this these are supplements not a policy or guidelines: | |||
| ::'''SYNTH is not explanation''' | |||
| ::SYNTH is when two or more reliably-sourced statements are combined to produce a new thesis that isn't verifiable from the sources. If you're just explaining the same material in a different way, there's no new thesis. | |||
| ::'''SYNTH is not obvious II:''' If something is obvious to anyone who reads and understands the sources that are supposed to support it, then it's not SYNTH. An example of a perfectly valid citation is given in the guideline on citations, at WP:Bundling: "The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big." The bundled citation uses one source for the size of the sun, and another for the size of the moon. Neither says that the sun is bigger than the moon, but the article is making that comparison. Given the two sources, the conclusion is obvious. So a typical reader can use the sources to check the accuracy of the comparison. There is no danger of the ] and we are not trying to draw any conclusions or combine them to mean something else. | |||
| I’m so sorry to hear about your passing. Thanks for everything you’ve done as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Rest In Peace. ] (] - ]) 01:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Addressing TFDs concerns re: synth inferences in NORN. ] (]) 08:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Farewell== | |||
| :::Without even reading all of your latest reply to me (I'll read it later because reading it now may test my patience more than you already have by posting this section to my talk page): There were no WP:Civil violations on my part regarding my interaction with you. Even by the non-Misplaced Pages definition of civil, I was not incivil to you. You, however, have been incivil to me, and all because you apparently took offense to my citing (in your opinion) too many relevant Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines and "cross-referencing." If by "8 WPs in 1 paragraph," you mean Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines, I did not cite eight Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines to you in any one paragraph. And cross-referencing, as you call it, is what I do, even with regard to myself; pay better attention to the above posts on my talk page, if you are going to use them as a reference regarding how inappropriate I've been. If the cross-referencing was meant to be a slight against you, then it was meant to be a slight against me as well. Take notice that I even cross-referenced my post on ]'s talk page about the Age of majority article matter. Everything that I cross-referenced was a completely understandable and perfectly acceptable use of cross-referencing, and yet you blew a gasket over it. No one has before, that I know of anyway, until you. I told you at ], "If a matter is scattered across multiple places, I'm going to note it (except for maybe if the matter is being discussed on your own talk page, a talk page that I see the WP:Synthesis policy was addressed to you before). Such cross-referencing is my way of helping to centralize the matter; see ]. Ideally, discussions about a topic should be centralized. If they are not, then so that others are aware of where else the topic was discussed, I point to it." | |||
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| {{quote|<poem> | |||
| As you set out for Ithaka | |||
| hope the voyage is a long one, | |||
| full of adventure, full of discovery. | |||
| Laistrygonians and Cyclops, | |||
| angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them: | |||
| you’ll never find things like that on your way | |||
| as long as you keep your thoughts raised high, | |||
| as long as a rare excitement | |||
| stirs your spirit and your body. | |||
| Laistrygonians and Cyclops, | |||
| wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them | |||
| unless you bring them along inside your soul, | |||
| unless your soul sets them up in front of you. | |||
| Hope the voyage is a long one. | |||
| :::Additionally (and since you like to use bolding, I'll do the same now), '''you have a view of WP:Synthesis that will not hold up in the eyes of any very experienced Misplaced Pages editor''', as essentially indicated to you by ] (TFD) at the ]. For example, if you think for something to be WP:Synthesis, it requires the combination of two or more reliably-sourced statements, then I and other editors need to tweak that policy right now. I always felt it needed a little tweaking in this regard. One source can be used to create WP:Synthesis, as any very experienced Misplaced Pages editor would tell you if you asked any of them and they cared to respond to you about it. | |||
| May there be many a summer morning when, | |||
| with what pleasure, what joy, | |||
| you come into harbors seen for the first time; | |||
| may you stop at Phoenician trading stations | |||
| to buy fine things, | |||
| mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony, | |||
| sensual perfume of every kind— | |||
| as many sensual perfumes as you can; | |||
| and may you visit many Egyptian cities | |||
| to gather stores of knowledge from their scholars. | |||
| Keep Ithaka always in your mind. | |||
| :::You are not a WP:Newbie years-wise, but you are a WP:Newbie in significantly other ways. And if it's one of the many things that I cannot stand about Misplaced Pages, it's a WP:Newbie telling me how they think I should be editing. Heck, I can barely stand it when a Wikipedian far more experienced than you are tells me how they think I should be editing, unless it relates to the collaborative process of suggestions regarding grammar style, sourcing options and and/or structure style. I'm not sure what you think all this complaining on my talk page will achieve, but I can tell you right now that, despite the encouragement you got on your talk page from one of my talk page ], nothing good is going to come from it (unless, of course, you gain a better understanding of Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines). ] (]) 09:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Arriving there is what you are destined for. | |||
| But do not hurry the journey at all. | |||
| Better if it lasts for years, | |||
| so you are old by the time you reach the island, | |||
| wealthy with all you have gained on the way, | |||
| not expecting Ithaka to make you rich. | |||
| Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey. | |||
| == Cubes: ] article == | |||
| Without her you would not have set out. | |||
| She has nothing left to give you now. | |||
| And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you. | |||
| Mark Cubes Cuban, is known as Cubes, it even says so in the Cube disambiguation page. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Wise as you will have become, so full of experience, | |||
| you will have understood by then what these Ithakas mean. | |||
| '''Ithaka''' | |||
| :IP, I reverted you and because we don't usually include the nicknames of celebrities or other notable people in the ], and, per ] (WP:BLP), it should be reliably sourced (whether in the lead or elsewhere in the article). And the only reason that Mark Cuban is currently mentioned as Cube at the ] page is because | |||
| by C. P. Cavafy | |||
| </poem>}} | |||
| {{cob}} | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": ] article" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 00:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Farewell, Flyer. You made a difference. You did well. ] ]. ''L not Q''. 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks mate, you are the man :) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| * Flyer and I sometimes communicated off Misplaced Pages so I considered her more than a collaborator. I was aware that some of her family members had contracted Covid, which partly contributed to her decision to not engage with Arb Com. I know that the Covid issues occurred before the business with Arb-Com so it was never an excuse, I genuinely believe she didn't feel up to dealing with it. I was already saddened by her decision to leave Misplaced Pages and I am genuinely upset at her passing. RIP Flyer, and I very much hope the rest of her family can come through this. ] (]) 21:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| == Respect == | |||
| While I agree she is looking good in the photo, I think it would be possible to find one which reflects just how stunning she is. Maybe one when she was in transformers would be appropriate. You know, the one when she is looking at the car.] (]) | |||
| I can't remember where or when we crossed paths, but I remember you. RIP. ✨ ] ] ✨ 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == A message == | |||
| :LOL. Best to keep on the article talk page page, {{User|Vagout}}. Maybe if we had a ] of what you want, you could get your way on that. ] (]) 22:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I never interacted with you on Misplaced Pages, but I am firm that you do amazing contributions. I cannot praise you in a way so grandeur, but I can just hope you rest there in peace. '''This will ''not'' be your last contribution.''' ''']]''' 04:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Aerospace Physiologist Insignia listed at ] == | |||
| ] | |||
| An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ]. Since you had some involvement with the ''Aerospace Physiologist Insignia'' redirect, you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 04:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Goodbye == | |||
| == Aerospace Experimental Psychologist or Aerospace Physiologist Badge listed at ] == | |||
| I had contact with Flyer a fairly large number of times over the years. She quite frequently emailed me about various matters. I had a very high regard for her. She was conscientious and determined to do what she believed was best for Misplaced Pages, persisting in doing so even when others made it difficult for her to do so. She was in many ways very perceptive, and could often see through clouds of nonsense to the truth underneath when many others couldn't. Over the course of time I came to think of her as a friend, even though I never met her in the flesh, and knew nothing about her life away from Misplaced Pages. I shall miss her. ] (]) 21:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ]. Since you had some involvement with the ''Aerospace Experimental Psychologist or Aerospace Physiologist Badge'' redirect, you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> (and yes, I'm the one who posted as 108.248.130.182- I wasn't logged in at the time because I had forgetten my password) ] (]) 04:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for the support with LGBT+ and medicine == | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello Flyer22 | |||
| Thanks for the regular constructive criticism in medicine and LGBT content. I appreciated having you as a colleague in both places as hardly anyone else navigates both of those busy spaces. You pushed for quality in a friendly way and were a model of good collaboration for giving original writing and ideas when asking for improvement. I respect that when you asked for favors, you yourself came proactively presenting a favor yourself. | |||
| The truth does not have to be constructive, it also can not be flattening to everyone ! | |||
| Vangjel Zhapa has no role in Albanian history but this does not change his ethnicity ! | |||
| Bests | |||
| Engjell <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| 🌈🌈🌈🩺💊🏥 | |||
| :{{User|Engjell.mehmeti}}, I didn't ] you because the material is not pleasant. Whether something is pleasant or not is not a criteria for inclusion on Misplaced Pages. I reverted you, as seen , because it appears that what you removed is sourced...while what you added is not sourced. See the ] policy. ] (]) 12:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ]] 22:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello Flyer22, | |||
| == RIP == | |||
| Is there a reason why you reverted my two edits to the Lennert Poettering page? I am sure there is, but I was curious why. Surely I wasn't vandalizing. Was I violating some other policy? I really feel the mention to Linus on that page is gratuitous & trying to leach off the goodwill of his name. And this by a guy whose work Linus has publicly derided. Thanks! ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding ] comment added 20:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Shocked and saddened to hear this, Flyer was a fantastic editor and they will be missed a lot, Thank you for each and every contribution you've made here Flyer, Rest in Peace. my sincere condolences to friends and family. –]<sup>]</sup> 00:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I see that you mean the Lennart Poettering page, and I have titled your post as such above. I reverted you because of the addition of "highly controversial" that you added. Such wording, at least regarding how early on you placed it, is unneeded sensationalism. It can be seen as POV-pushing and I'm not sure that it's directly sourced in the article. Can such wording be appropriate on Misplaced Pages? Sure. For example, regarding the topic of ]. But it does not seem appropriate in the Lennart Poettering case, where you placed it. If there are sources speaking of the controversial nature, that can be addressed lower in the article; and it is addressed lower in the article in this case. As for the other piece that got restored when I reverted you, I didn't see it until you pointed out my revert, but I'm not sure that it should be removed. ] (]) 20:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==A great loss to the community and our mission== | |||
| I wish that I'd had some knowledge that Flyer was unwell: I don't know whether she made this common knowledge or played the fact close to her vest, but despite her being one of the editors I most frequently ran into incidentally out in the wild of our talk pages (due to our shared interest in human nature as explored by hard science), I had no idea she was ill and apparently had been for some time. I think she and I probably had similar perspectives on matters slightly more often than not, but by the same token, we shared a work space often enough to experience many situations in which we disagreed and it was in these moments that she most impressed me with the qualities of a true Wikipedian--openness and a commitment to respectful discourse in pursuit of understanding. Oh, make no mistake: she was prepared to stick to her guns and hold a line against what she felt was a misrepresentation of the truth of an issue. But she tempered that drive and doggedness with wit, warmth, and perspective. She was truly the type of person who represents the best in this community, and whom we can point to as proof that our great task summons together people of real character and strength. I am not a spiritualist in any sense, so I cannot invoke the words of her name (the one I knew her best by) in a way that might otherwise be a comfort in this moment, to say that she has taken flight and will be reborn in a heavenly sense. But I can say with no less certainty and meaning that her works will indeed take flight, and her spirit will be reborn every day in a world and in the people made noticeably better for her presence. | |||
| Thanks! You have a point. OTOH, what's the gray line between POV pushing & genuine controversy? One has got to be able to call a controversy a controversy when the situation so exists. And if one google's Poettering the controversy isn't being created by some fringe element. It is quite integral to what he does. And his work is hated by a good chunk even a majority of the community. In such cases highlighting the controversial aspects of his persona seems the fair thing to do from the POV of a reader. Why bury it deep down? At the risk of invoking Godwins Law it's like not mentioning genocide prominently in an article about Hitler or Milosevich. :) | |||
| Flyer, I'm sorry that I did not get to tell you any of this directly--looking back, I'm not sure I ever even seized an opportunity to say to you expressly that you were my friend. I will have to try to learn from that lesson and be more careful to take the time to say such things here. I can only say now that this is merely a part of what I have learned from you and that you have my enduring gratitude. ''] ]'' 00:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| That's why I think my edit was justified & adds to the quality of the page. Just my opinion though. ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding ] comment added 08:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Beautiful words. ] (]) 01:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for taking the time to explain your point of view. Regarding Misplaced Pages rules on such wording matters, a policy that I should have pointed out to you earlier is ]; I would have pointed it out if I could remember it at the time; it's not a policy that I cite often. And the relevant guideline on such matters is ]; I don't cite that often either (in fact, this might be my first time citing it). But that policy and that guideline pretty much cover why we should not state the following in the lead: "'''Lennart Poettering''' is a highly controversial German computer ]." The "highly controversial" part should not be ascribed to him like that. You are correct that any prominent controversies should be addressed (summarized) in the lead (if covered lower in the article); this is per the ] guideline. So it would be fine to state in the lead that Poettering holds controversial views; the wording should be specific as to what those controversial views are, though. That stated, since the article is not big, readers will instantly or soon see the Controversies section when they click on the article; usually at least. | |||
| == Condolences == | |||
| :On a side note: Remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. A bot signed your username for you twice above. ] (]) 09:07, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I am greatly saddened by this news and extend my deepest sympathies to all those who cared for Flyer22. ]! -] (]) 04:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks! I was trying to sign but was stupidly using three tildes instead of four. :) | |||
| ] (]) | |||
| ] (]) 11:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Goodbye. == | |||
| ] {{spaces|10}}] (]) 11:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Taking your critique into account I tried finesseeing my edit to reflect more on the specific software than the person. See if you like this better. :) | |||
| == Sad to hear you're gone == | |||
| ] (]) 11:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer, you and I had our differences, but I've always admired your devotion to this encyclopedia and your earnest efforts to make it better. You did a lot of good around here. My heart skipped a beat when I saw that you'd passed. No matter how many times we butted heads, this is not news I ever hoped to hear. Been thinking of you. <span style="font-family:Serifa">]]</span> 01:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Also, I'll try and revert the bit on the gratuitous ref. to Linus. The change that got accidentally reverted by you. ] (]) 11:06, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Rest in peace == | |||
| :You're welcome, IP. I appreciate you discussing this matter, being awfully polite about it, and working to improve your wording. Your new wording is an improvement, but I tweaked it a bit, as seen and . I can't promise that someone else won't remove "controversial" from the lead, but the new wording makes it less likely that it will be removed. You might want to add ] right beside "controversial," explaining why it's there...including citing WP:Lead. ] (]) 17:33, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for working with me for so many years. I'm extremely saddened to learn that you are gone. You will be missed. ]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>] 07:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Apology: User:WARNER one == | |||
| == Farewell == | |||
| I previously used to be ] and have since reincarnated myself to be more friendly, useful, cooperative, less nationalistic and all together a better editor. I have identified you as one of the editors that I have wronged in the past which is why I urge you not to consider my previous actions in the future as I am completely different. I would like to be friends so we can hopefully collaborate in the future. If you understandably still don't want to colabarte and/or see my new side then that is 100% fine. Just please leave me a note here so I know for the future. THANKYOU! --] (]) 16:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I am at a loss for what to say as this is honestly the first time I've truly felt a loss from the death on an online acquaintance/colleague. We crossed paths and conversed many times () given our overlapping interests. May the memory of Flyer be a blessing to all who knew her. ] ] 17:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Hey, ], I appreciate the offer and it's nice to see you trying to change your approach to editing situations on Misplaced Pages. A lot of us, including me, sometimes need to change our approach to an editing situation on Misplaced Pages. I could have handled my dispute with you better than I did, and I realize that. I'm open to working with you collaboratively. As for your name change, it would have been better if you had simply requested a name change via ] instead of dropping your previous account; that way, your older contributions would still be physically tied to your previous account. But at least you have identified on your user page that you are User:WARNER one. | |||
| == Rest in peace shining star == | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": User:WARNER one" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 23:09, 13 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| What sad news to hear that Flyer22 has passed on. Wherever you may be, surrounded by scintillating starlight and mysterious stardust, your contributions to this world were truly stellar. ] (]) 19:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==JackALope044== | |||
| == Taken too soon... == | |||
| I will bring this discussion here, since we both agree it doesn't belong on the lolicon talk page. For reference, yes, I am actually new to editing Misplaced Pages. I had another account that I made about eight years ago, which I used for a few months and then promptly abandoned, and by this point I've forgotten both the name and password of that account. Since then, I've made minor spelling and grammar edits to articles I've found as an IP, but nothing beyond that. I did not begin actively editing Misplaced Pages and I did not had another account until the 7th of July, with the GochiUsa article incident over the use of the "yuri" genre. What is it about my actions that makes you think that I am clearly "not new to editing Misplaced Pages"? ] (]) 19:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| You will be missed, Flyer. Thank you for leaving the memory of your legacy with us on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 08:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :You are not especially new to editing Misplaced Pages, as indicated by you above, and an editor not being new to editing Misplaced Pages is something that I easily pick up on. One sign is that you always sign your username; I've stated this before on my talk page, but I'll state it again for your benefit: The vast majority of new Misplaced Pages editors, in my several years of experience at this site, either do not sign their username or rather often forget to sign it until at least a few weeks of practice. ] (]) 19:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Farewell == | |||
| ::Well, I guess I don't fall under the "vast majority of new Misplaced Pages editors", then. I forgot to sign my name the first few times, but after I realized that there's a handy-dandy shortcut to plug those four tildes in at the click of the button, I didn't think there was any reason for me to have to forget to sign my name again. ] (]) 19:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I only just noticed this and can't think of what else to say. Flyer22 always had the encyclopedia's best interests at heart and contributed enormously to an area of Misplaced Pages I know very little about and did it fighting off conflicts that I think would have caused many others to retire much sooner instead of sticking it out. Please give my condolences to her family and friends. ] ] ] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::You must not be referring to your JackALope044 account; under that account, you've signed your username each and every time. Remarkable, though, that you forgot to sign only a few times; certainly not standard among ]. ] (]) 20:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Rest in peace == | |||
| ::::Well, by "forgot to sign", I mean "forgot to sign, realized I forgot to sign, then went back and re-edited the talk page to include my signature". Sorry for the misunderstanding. ] (]) 20:04, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I thank Flyer22 for all the work she has done. I send my condolences to her family and friends. Rest in peace. You will be remembered. '''~''' ]]] 16:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I am very late in noticing this but I am saddened by Flyer's death and wish to add my tribute and condolences. She was an astute and prolific contributor. I had only passing interactions with her but all were positive. She took the time to thank me a number of times for edits and I always appreciated her acknowledgements. That personal touch was a wonderful addition to all her substantive contributions. ] (]) 08:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::And again, you have yet to forget to sign your username as JackALope044, as your contribution shows. There is , but it appears that you simply neglected to add the extra tilde, which sometimes happens to me. ] (]) 20:07, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Frozen == | |||
| ::::::Oh, I see that you did forget to sign , but that's the only instance that I see. ] (]) 20:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| I dedicate this image to your memory. --] (]) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :The icicles look like frozen musical notes, an étude in ice—a fitting tribute. ] (]) 22:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Condolences == | ||
| I know I'm late to the funeral, but I was browsing an IP's TP when I saw a warning of yours. Seeing it, I miss you. Rest in peace. ] (]) 03:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Condolences == | |||
| Didn't you read my comment? I started a conversation in Talk, but you ignored it and reverted. ] (]) 00:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Extending my condolences to Flyer22 and her family (I only just found out about her passing). Sad to hear of the death of another young Wikipedian. ] (]) 18:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, ], I saw your comment on the talk page. And I reverted (before reading it) because and revert concern matters that I disagree with; those reverts also barely have anything to do with the discussion you started on the talk page...yet. And I'm about to comment there. ] (]) 00:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Have only just found out about this, also. Really sad to hear, I’m at a complete loss for words. Rest in peace, Flyer22. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Thank you for everything you did == | ||
| I haven't been active much and only realised the bad news a few days ago. You were a great contributor to this project and will be sorely missed. My condolences. ] (]: ]) 19:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, Flyer22. Another editor removed a dated PROD tag from ]. You reverted that edit using Huggle. Since the tag was PROD rather than speedy, though, any editor could remove it. A third editor has again removed the PROD tag. ] (]) 12:35, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == R.I.P. == | |||
| == ]'s 1988 massacre of Iranian dissidents == | |||
| I haven't been that active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I was shocked to learn of Flyer22's passing while sorting through my watchlist. As someone who has worked and interacted with Flyer in film-related articles, I can attest that she was a productive and proficient member of this encyclopedia and her contributions have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. On a more personal note, I only wish her family the best. | |||
| Hi, | |||
| Since you've contributed to Khomeini's article, I was wondering could you add a new section for the ]. I think there should be a separate section for this massacre (just before Rushdie's section). The article also gives the absurd minimum figure of 1,400 executions, but when you click on the reference, it only lists the name of 1,400 of the 30 thousand executed; and it does not even suggest that only 1,400 were executed (he executed that many in the first year of his dictatorship, alone)! I also think it should be mentioned in the opening paragraph of the article. The reason that I did not add this new section myself, is that I hate the man (]). Thanks. ] (]) 21:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Rest in peace, Flyer. ''']]]''' 04:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :], I'm not familiar with that topic; I simply ] (]) 21:57, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==A loss for the project== | ||
| I didn't know Flyer at all (just found out about this now) but I certainly noticed the prolific amount of work she put into WP. My condolences to her family. - ] 02:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Miss you == | |||
| At you removed from WP:MOS "occasionally contractions provide the best solution anyway" (with this edit summary: ''Who added "occasionally contractions provide the best solution anyway" to this section? Was this discussed? In what ways are contractions the better solution, other than in quoted material?'') <br> | |||
| I just do. Rest in peace. ] (]) 11:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| "Sometimes rewriting the sentence as a whole is preferable; and occasionally contractions provide the best solution anyway" was introduced at by ] (with this edit summary: ''Tightened this; but it needs review anyway; in what circumstances is a contraction best left unexpanded?''). <br> | |||
| —] (]) 03:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Rest In Peace == | |||
| :Thanks, ]; I didn't feel like looking into the edit history to see who added that (though I planned to do so eventually). For years, I've looked at that contractions section, and was recently brought back to it after I made at the ] article, but the "occasionally contractions provide the best solution anyway" bit has obviously continually escaped my mind; that contractions were somewhat condoned in the WP:Manual of Style (for reasons other than obviously being acceptable in quoted text) has been unintentionally ignored by me. As you've likely seen, I this section on my talk page in the WP:Manual of Style edit history so that editors can get more information on the matter; if one of them feels that the aforementioned addition should remain, they'll return it and hopefully tweak it so that it isn't vague. ] (]) 03:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I’ve only just seen the awful news of your passing. This makes me regretful that our interactions were made antagonistic from my end. I feel I robbed myself of a better camaraderie with a dedicated and earnest editor such as yourself. Wherever you may be now, I wish you peace. ] 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Dangun == | |||
| == Deep and dreamless slumber == | |||
| Hi Flyer22, thanks for your input, however as you and any other history buff would know, the date of sources are very important, and needs to be highlighted especially in this case due to the length of time between the legend and its recording. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==46.118.124.156== | |||
| Thanks for reverting https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Chairman_of_the_Board_%28disambiguation%29&diff=next&oldid=618239832. However your edit summary said "Reverted 1 good faith edit by 46.118.124.156 using STiki", but this was not good faith at all but spam. I have blocked this IP. ] (]) 13:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, ]. I reverted the edit as a ] edit because the IP seemed to believe that he or she was doing a good thing. People who add ] usually do think that they are doing Misplaced Pages, if not the world, a favor. ] (]) 13:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Chewing gum == | |||
| Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Chewing_gum&oldid=prev&diff=564315463 | |||
| Sorry, but you're wrong here. If you read the sentence fully you'll see it is referring to Wrigley being the largest maker in the world, not the US being the largest market for it in the world. | |||
| == Edit on ] article == | |||
| I removed the sentences in question after checking the sources and finding that they were either false or blatant spin. RT was not founded as a PR campaign for the Russian government: that absolutely can not be proven to be fact in any way-- especially not with the source provided for such a statement. Also, the idea that Mikhail Lesin "conceived" the idea for RT because of one quote which has nothing to do with RT is ridiculous. | |||
| I edited the page because it is clearly being used as a propaganda platform for anti-Russians. I didn't edit anything to be biased towards any position-- I'm removing the bias so people can get real information without the bullshit. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :I changed the heading of this section from "Edit on RT page" to "Edit on ] article" so that it is clearer as to what you are referring to. Yes, I reverted you , and I stand by that revert. And what about you tampering with ? ] (]) 06:30, 29 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Ping == | |||
| Fly, hope all is well with you. The ping is to ask you if we could move forward with the Todd article, since it's gonna be August in a couple of days, and my days of summer freedom will soon be over. I'm sure you're swamped, but wanted to check in and see if you could spare some time looking at my next group of changes. Thanks. ] (]) 23:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I know that I need to get back to you at ], Figureskatingfan. Lately, during the day, I've been absent from Misplaced Pages for several or more hours because, though my work is usually computer-related and therefore gives me ample access to the Internet, I've been dealing with a lot of non-computer work these days (and working out things long-distance over the phone). Then, when I get home, all I feel like doing is relaxing, reverting vandalism or other unconstructive edits when I finally do open up my laptop to see what mess has been going on at Misplaced Pages in the meantime, or working on the ] article. I haven't worked on a film article this much since the ] article, and I think that I might be interested in taking the Lucy (2014 film) article to ] status, especially since my writing (and knowledge of Misplaced Pages ways) has vastly improved since I elevated the ] and Avatar (2009 film) articles to WP:Good article status years ago. | |||
| :As you know, I'll try to get back to you soon regarding the Todd Manning article. I think that because I know that there are going to be things that I disagree with you on regarding your rearrangement of the Reception and impact section, and my posts explaining why I disagree can be long (just as your posts explaining why you think your changes are beneficial can be long), I have been stalling on revisiting that matter. But I'll get back there in a day or so. I still "have to" , since I think that it is ] in his "best disguise" yet, still unable to stay away from topics (such as LGBT and Islamic topics) that he can never stay away from. So I might report that before getting back to you. And, yes, I'll try to be consistent, time-wise, by replying to you, so we can go ahead and get the Todd Manning article to the ] review process. ] (]) 23:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I hear ya, pal. I anticipate feeling similarly in about four weeks, although sometimes, for me, editing can be a way to decompress. When I get busy, I'm lucky if I edit 90 minutes a day. I appreciate the time and effort you've put into helping improve the Todd article; I know that it can get long and complicated, especially when we disagree. These days, I've been dealing with a difficult personality off-line, so dealing with you has been a breath of fresh air. I'll miss our association when we're done with Todd. (Tea: But one can never truly be done with Todd!) ;) | |||
| ::I feel your pain with the sockpuppet biz, too. ] has caused a few us no end of headaches. This diff is the perfect example of what he tries to pull. We can't figure out if he's evil, or just stupid. Exasperating, to be sure. We've even had prolonged discussions on FB chat. All that to say take your time. We've come so far, and worked so hard; I don't want a silly thing like RL responsibilities to get in the way. In the meantime, I'm having fun improving individual ]; currently, I'm working on the ]. The main article is up at FAC now. So much fun! ] (]) 03:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Looking at of the guy you pointed to, it doesn't seem that he was using a different Misplaced Pages account (unless it's noted somewhere on his talk page that he was), but I do see that he was problematic and is now indefinitely blocked because of that problematic editing. As for the Todd Manning article, after we've replaced its contents with your Todd draft, and it's been through a WP:Featured article review, we'll still interact on that article or at least see each other there since we're both interested in that topic (that is, unless you decide to drop it from your ]). And you also told me that you're interested in working on the ] article; if you do work on that, we'll interact there, but I might step back more on that article and let you reshape things without much of my input. | |||
| :::I hope that your offline dealings with the aforementioned personality get easier or stop if it's a matter that needs to stop. ] (]) 04:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::I just went to YouTube, and about ] ] was recommended for me by the site. It's clips of Howarth from '']'', where he had blond hair for quite some time; have you watched him on that series, and what do you think about him having blond hair? I noticed that he's also had blond hair as ], in the role that ] originated. He's had blond highlights as Todd, and full-on blond hair in ]'s cartoon daydreams (back when she was a child), but not full-on blond hair as Todd otherwise. He looks okay with blond hair, but I'm so used to him with brown hair. I and a lot of other people followed him to ''As the World Turns'' when he left the role of Todd in 2003, and I kind of got hooked on the ] love story (Jack's amnesia story), but I didn't stick with that show for long. ] (]) 06:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==] article== | |||
| You are "Edit Warrinng". Your edit changes are NOT cogent. If you continue this behavior I will take this to the community for violation of rules and move to ban your edits. You must immediately stop your serial edit hsrassment. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{User|Burbank151}}, yes, yes, I reverted you and Go ahead and report me; I won't be affected in any way. In the meantime, do read up on the way Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, starting with ]. And if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot and titled it. Also, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. A bot signed your username for you above. ] (]) 12:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, and {{User|Burbank151}}, you might want to actually with a ] proving that the person is ]. I doubt that either of those listings are WP:Notable (read what Misplaced Pages considers notable by clicking on the WP:Notable page). Your listing, or both of those listings, will eventually be removed by someone. And if the person you listed is you or is related to you in some way (not necessarily biologically related), read ]. ] (]) 00:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==GH057ayame - ] (article)== | |||
| So essentially what you're saying is that I need to site proof of my changes? I have no problem linking all of my articles that demonstrate that proof, I just keep editing in a periodic fashion since it's hard for me to find time to sit down for 16 hours straight to edit my public page. Now, what bothers me the most, is that the information previously written about me is mostly false. It has been bothering me ever since I came across my own Wiki, and I've finally gotten around to getting things straightened out. Now, I'm not looking to fight with you. I'm merely looking to "right the ship" and appropriately fit in my true background information. If you could assist me along the way since I'm not too familiar with Misplaced Pages's rule set, it'd be greatly appreciated. Again, I'm just looking to give the full, true story - articles included. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==] article== | |||
| Hi Flyer - thanks for comms RE the UCR (FBI) rape definition. The type of male victims I'm referring to are actually "forced envelopment" (aka "forced to penetrate" in NISVS) victims, rather than male-on-male. That includes males too intoxicated to consent to sex, males forced under threat to have sex with another, fellatio without consent etc - as included within the UN's definition ("sexual intercourse without valid consent") and - less transparently but confirmed - the 2012 UCR/FBI definition (). | |||
| The CDC's NISVS 2010 survey put the number of males "forced to penetrate" in the past 12 months at 1.3 million, which is more-or-less identical to the number of female victims. Clearly that's vastly different from the "95%" cited in the Misplaced Pages article, so I dug into the citation - turns out it was a 1997 BJS report that used the pre-2012 women-only definition of rape: "Forcible rape in the UCR program is limited to incidents involving female victims" (). | |||
| I've not identified a reliable up-to-date replacement source that studies the gender of rape victims without resorting to definitions that exclude most forms of non-consensual male sex. Therefore I've removed that "95%" sentence as outdated - hope you're in agreement. Cheers ] (]) 21:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, {{User|Psdie}} (this will be the only time I ping you via ] to this discussion, so you might want to keep checking back in the future for a reply). Regarding my edit summaries , and , I did eventually understand what you meant, judging by your edit to the ] article. I don't mind that the 1997/1999 addition. That text has been an area of recent contention before; see ]. As seen in that discussion, I objected to the removal before because it was removed simply based on the claim that it is unreliable and biased, which was an action that is not supported by any Misplaced Pages policy or guideline, and because partial restoration of the text then misrepresented the source. But again, removing the entire text is fine with me, since your basis for removal is more convincing and since I stated in the aforementioned discussion (my "21:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)" post), "I would prefer a significantly more updated statistic than that one in the lead." | |||
| :That stated, since 2013 (or 2014 in the case of other editors), I've seen editors engaging in ] at the Rape in the United States, ], ], ], and a few other Misplaced Pages articles, regarding male victims of rape. We also now have a ] article that needs significant cleanup. Just in case you have not checked my user page (or missed my commentary on WP:Activism there), I'm not a fan of people who use Misplaced Pages for activism. I understand that male rape victims (men more so than boys) are underreported, that rape is still commonly defined as only a man having raped a girl or woman, and in some definitions a boy, but Misplaced Pages is not the place to try and change those matters. The definitions of rape you consider gender neutral are still missing from the vast majority of rape laws. It's still common that women aren't even charged with rape, as reflected by that an editor made to the Rape statistics article. That's just the way things are, including regarding up-to-date references on rape, and it's because of this (besides being noted in the Statistics section of the Rape article) that I feel that statistics information in the lead of the Rape article should state something about the fact that rape victims are most commonly reported as female. From what I know of male and female biology, psychology, and crime rates, there is . But this is not about my opinion. It's about the sources, per the ] policy. It's not up to us to state, "Oh, we're not going to use these up-to-date definitions because they are biased against male victims of rape." What you can do is note the specific ways that these definitions exclude male rape victims, which is what I've seen you do. However, such information is usually not ] material and rather belongs lower in the article. you made, for example, where you put the "or other forms of sexual penetration" text in parentheses based on your interpretation that it helps clarify something about male rape victims, is not beneficial to me. We note in the "Penetrative and non-penetrative" section below that other forms of sexual penetration (such as forced sexual penetration with a bottle) are defined as rape in many jurisdictions, and we don't have that in parentheses; nor should we. This is despite the fact that, in law, rape is still most commonly defined as only penile-vaginal sex or penile-vaginal or penile-anal sex, with everything else being termed ''].'' ] (]) 10:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi {{User|Flyer22}} - qood to hear we're generally in agreement. After my previous edit, I actually did further research into the 2012 UCR (FBI) definition of rape and found that it *does* (albeit with poor clarity) include males forced to penetrate a female. See clear, from Mary P. Reese of the FBI's CJIS Division's Crime Statistics Management Unit (the main contact on the ). | |||
| ::Thus the problem is not actually with the updated 2012 US definition of rape, it's with the citation on WP of studies that use outdated gender-biased definitions as if they were current. Correction of these mistakes is a matter of factual accuracy, not ] - indeed individuals that cherry-pick long-outdated stats to make the number of male victims appear lower than female are those practicing WP:Activism. This is no more accurate than using an outdated definition that excludes rape-within-marriage. | |||
| ::The article lead originally implied it is always the penetrated individual that is the victim - this is factually incorrect, per the UCR and UN definitions, hence the clarification. ] (]) 17:02, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Psdie, I stated above, "The definitions of rape you consider gender neutral are still missing from the vast majority of rape laws." See of my user page about the ] policy. That is exactly what I mean when it comes to this rape matter. You can of course disagree with the definitions of rape that you consider outdated and biased, but those definitions are the definitions of rape used in the vast majority of the world. I pointed out in the aforementioned FBI discussion that forced ] (the exclusively non-penetrative aspect), for example, is hardly ever defined as rape, and that matter is considered outdated and biased by people, but we are not going to exclude the commonly accepted definitions and research using those commonly accepted definitions simply because people have a problem with that. The same goes for your problem with definitions of rape that exclude "males forced to penetrate a female." The vast majority of studies on rape, and therefore ] about rape, exclude "males forced to penetrate a female" and other sexual matters that you would perhaps like to see defined as rape; Misplaced Pages should not bend over backwards to accommodate the minority view, which is exactly what the WP:Due weight policy is about. Misplaced Pages is not supposed to give as much weight to the minority view as it does to the majority view. It is not the place to "correct mistakes" that are perpetuated by society at large. As for your explanation of having added the parentheses, because you feel that "he article lead originally implied it is always the penetrated individual that is the victim," I disagree. But I am not very interested in reverting you on that (it's a simple parentheses matter that I doubt many people will look at in the way that you have), and so it has remained physically uncontested. | |||
| :::And just for documentation here on my talk page, I am not the one who added that FBI data to the lead (except for when I reverted the editor shown in the aforementioned FBI discussion or any tweak I might have made to it before then); but when someone removes something from a Misplaced Pages article, they had better use a rationale that complies with Misplaced Pages, rather than "I removed it because I personally think it's biased.," if they don't want another editor to revert them. I already stated that your rationale for having removed that piece is fine with me. ] (]) 17:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Hi ] - I'm confused how you're missing my point above that '''most of the official US definitions DO agree''' that a woman having sex with a man without his consent ("Forced to Penetrate") is categorically rape, just as in the reverse. The Universal Crime Reporting definition of rape used across the US (), the used in most US legal cases, AND the international UN definition () '''all''' agree on this. | |||
| ::::The official definitions are gender neutral and '''do not''' require the rapist to always be the one penetrating - please re-check my linked citations. Rape is sex with either gender without consent, and most modern definitions fortunately recognise this. Suggestion that sex with a man without his consent isn't rape is a bizarre, outdated and sexist view IMO - hopefully that's not your opinion? If an unknown woman has sex with a sleeping man with a mechanical erection, giving him an STD in the process, that's somehow not rape? US law and most modern definitions disagree. ] (]) 21:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Psdie, you do not have to keep linking to my username. This is my talk page, so linking to my username is not required. I'm confused as to how you are missing the points I've made above, other than you being unfamiliar with how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work. But I advise you to become more familiar with how it's supposed to work, possibly by starting with the WP:Due weight policy. I never stated that a woman having sex with a man without his consent is not rape, except for when speaking of how many rape laws are, such as the fact that "t is still common that women aren't even charged with rape." I was specifically speaking of your "males forced to penetrate a female" wording, and I was talking about how rape is defined globally (not just in the United States). As I'm sure you know, rape is not always defined by force, and the vast majority of rapes that involve a woman raping a man are matters where the man is, like you stated above, "too intoxicated to consent to sex." The fact that "too intoxicated to consent to sex" does not automatically mean "force" is exactly why we list "physical force" and "unconscious, incapacitated, or below the ]" in the lead of the Rape article. Furthermore, "forced to penetrate" can include males who are forced to penetrate a person by another person, such as in the case of a gang rape. From the previous FBI discussion I linked to above, it is clear that I don't believe that all official definitions require the rapist to always be the one penetrating; I argued a similar point in that discussion. | |||
| :::::On a side note: ] is not a WP:Reliable source, which is why I after you added it to the Rape in the United States article. And you were reverted by an editor at the Rape by gender article, and by an editor who called your "gender neutral (including males forced to penetrate)" wording an "erroneous claim" at the Rape in the United States article. You might want to discuss those matters with them, but those discussions would be better had at those article talk pages, instead of at the editors' talk pages, so that they are accessible to a wider audience. ] (]) 21:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::And I see that you've conceded that the "UCR wording is unclear." ] (]) 21:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Arguing that concurrence between the FBI UCR, the mostly commonly applied US legal standard and the international UN definition doesn't satisfy ] is unconvincing. Clearly these are sources that carry a great deal of weight internationally and are far from an exhaustive list (just key examples). To argue that *most* international definitions exclude women having non-consensual sex with men ("Forced to Penetrate") would require citations of a set of contradictory definitions that outweigh those that agree. Do you have such a citation? ] (]) 00:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Unfortunately in your haste you also reintroduced the non-cited (and confirmed to be false by the FBI's UCR Program agent Mary P Reese) claim that the UCR *excludes* MTP. This suggests you are reacting to my contributions rather than evaluating the content, which I hope we can both agree to avoid in future. ] (]) 00:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I agree the UCR wording isn't as clear as it should be, as acknowledged by Mary P Reese in that confirm the UCR definition includes "Forced To Penetrate". It lists penetration as an essential component, but then leaves open-ended whether "the victim" is the penetrator or the penetrated. As discussed, I actually originally interpreted the definition to exclude MTP (as did ]) by missing this subtle ambiguity, but MPR's answer makes clear that MTP is included: | |||
| {{cquote|If number 7 was rewritten as you’ve suggested , it would still be classified as Rape according to the definition since the act includes oral penetration by a sex organ of another person which was without the consent of the victim.}} | |||
| ::::::However, I do acknowledge that a WordPress blog doesn't satisfy ], so will look for a more official citation or request one from Mary P Reese if necessary. ] (]) 00:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I ask that you don't split up and duplicate my comments like . I have placed them back the way that they were. | |||
| :::::::I did not argue that "concurrence between the FBI UCR, the mostly commonly applied US legal standard and the international UN definition doesn't satisfy ]." I did not argue that "most international definitions exclude women having non-consensual sex with men." Take note that ''international'' "existing, occurring, or carried on between two or more nations" or it can mean "global." If one argues that rape is globally (and by "globally," I mean "the vast majority" or "all") defined to include women raping men and/or the wording "forced to penetrate," then, yes, I contest that. I stated "The definitions of rape you consider gender neutral are still missing from the vast majority of rape laws." and "It's still common that women aren't even charged with rape." I was arguing against some of your specific wording, such as your "forced to penetrate" wording, and I stand by that, given that rape is still widely defined as only a man sexually penetrating a woman's vagina against her will/without her consent, a man sexually penetrating a woman in some other way against her will/without her consent, or as a man sexually penetrating a woman or another man against her or his will/without their consent. I stand by that given that ] vary not only by state or country, but by jurisdiction. I stand by that because it was only recently (in 2012; 2013) that the FBI changed their definition to be more inclusive -- clearly acknowledging that sexually violating a male without his consent is rape. I stand by that because, like the Rape article notes, "The definition does not change federal or state criminal codes or impact charging and prosecution on the federal, state or local level; it rather means that rape will be more accurately reported nationwide." | |||
| :::::::You keep stating "forced to penetrate"; yes, I argue that most definitions of rape do not include that wording, as also currently indicated by the Definitions section in the Rape article. A man can be raped by having his penis inserted into someone without being forced to penetrate that person (for example by intoxication), and you should not use the "forced to penetrate" wording in a Misplaced Pages article unless it is explicitly supported by one or more WP:Reliable sources; this is per the ] policy. I clearly indicated to you above that a woman having sex with a man who is too intoxicated or otherwise incapacitated to consent to sex is not always a matter of force, which is why I have found your emphasis on "forced to penetrate" somewhat jarring, even with some definitions using that exact wording. The alternative term ''made to penetrate'' is a bit more accurate, but even then it's not always a matter of having made the man do anything. Sexual activity during intoxication, for example, is more so a matter of whether or not one or more people were in their right minds when they gave their "]." If one or more of the people involved feels victimized by the sexual activity and was not in their right mind, then one or more rapes have occurred, there was no consent (unless all of the people were equally intoxicated, such as in the case of two equally drunk people who had sex, and no one was under the age of consent)...at least depending on the type of sexual activity and according to some rape laws. And trying to prosecute a "rape by intoxication" matter is extremely difficult, which is perhaps why "rape by intoxication" is missing in a lot of rape laws. | |||
| :::::::As for , there was no haste. I was not obligated to . I was only concerned in that instance with reverting a non-WP:Reliable source. Also, it's best that you don't speak for DGAgainstDV . ] (]) 01:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::He's made . ] (]) 02:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: is a common technique on text based discussion forums to ensure responses are given context, but no problem. | |||
| ::::::::"Made To Penetrate" is the term coined by the CDC's NISVS 2010 study<ref>http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf</ref> to describe women having sex with men against consent. Previously terms such as "Forced to Penetrate" and "Forced Envelopment" have been used in articles discussing this type of crime, but no problem with settling on "Made To Penetrate". This is an area of sexual violence that has only recently been explored in any detail, so terminology is still being stabilised. | |||
| ::::::::Sex with a person too intoxicated to consent is of course more usually than not defined as rape (and has been for decades), including by the FBI UCR.<ref>http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/attorney-general-eric-holder-announces-revisions-to-the-uniform-crime-reports-definition-of-rape</ref> | |||
| ::::::::"I stand by that, given that rape is still widely defined as " - but you provide no citations to support your opinion. I have already demonstrated that the UCR and UN definitions, as well as the most commonly applied US federal legal definition (US UCoMJ, as listed ) recognise Made To Penetrate as rape (as they count all non-consensual sex as rape, without gender specific language). These clearly carry substantial weight in the international community given the US and UN are leaders on sexual violence policy. | |||
| ::::::::If you disagree, please provide citations of greater weight than UCR+UN+UCoMJ that show international consensus excludes Made To Penetrate, consistent with ]. I will as requested seek a citable source from Mary P Reese confirming inclusion of MTP in the UCR - but hopefully you agree that the idea the e-mail thread is fabricated is unlikely (MRAs would arguably *prefer* if UCR is biased, as gives them something to complain about!). ] (]) 03:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| I'm simply not a fan of the "breaking up/reposting a decent size of the comment" replying on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| Do you have a WP:Reliable source indicating or explicitly stating that sex with a person too intoxicated to consent (] or a person having sex with an intoxicated person without the initial intention that the drug facilitated sexual assault topic implies) is usually defined as rape? My point above was that many rape laws don't include "rape by intoxication," and that such rape is extremely difficult to prosecute, which is easily verifiable by just looking at any number of rape laws or sources about rape, such as (2010), (2012) (2012), and (2014) about the difficulty of prosecuting drug-facilitated sexual assaults/rapes. Then again, a lot of WP:Reliable sources also state or indicate that For the record, though, I was more so (not exclusively) referring to being too drunk when stating "intoxication," not intoxication by drugs (though, yes, I know that alcohol is commonly labeled a drug and sometimes as a ] as well). | |||
| Why do I need to provide a WP:Reliable source stating that "''rape is still widely defined as only a man sexually penetrating a woman's vagina against her will/without her consent, a man sexually penetrating a woman in some other way against her will/without her consent, or as a man sexually penetrating a woman or another man against her or his will/without their consent''"? That is common knowledge, as indicated by the Definitions section at the Rape article, Laws regarding rape article, and by a simple search on ]; for example (a 2011 scholarly source, which notes ]), (a 2012 scholarly source), or (a 2012 scholarly source which states, "Legally, 'rape' is typically defined as penetration of the vagina or anus without legitimate consent.", and then goes on to list other definitions). Even if you want to argue that these relatively recent sources, and the vast majority of other sources on Google Books, are citing outdated definitions of rape, it still stands that the wording "forced to penetrate" or "made to penetrate" are not included in the vast majority of rape laws. Like you acknowledged, they are new terms. My statements that those terms are not included in the vast majority of rape laws is clearly true; it's not me stating that a woman raping a man or a person being physically forced to sexually penetrate someone are barely covered by any rape law. You keep taking my wording and presenting it as something that I dd not state. | |||
| The "UCR+UN+UCoMJ that show international consensus" includes "Made To Penetrate." What you are pointing to regarding those sources is how they define rape; they don't get to dictate how every country, state or jurisdiction defines rape. Similarly, neither does the ] (WHO), which is a part of the ] (UN) and is of equal weight to the "UCR+UN+UCoMJ," if not of greater weight in one or more of those cases, and defines rape as "physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration – even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object." If these organizations did get to dictate how rape is defined in every country, state or jurisdiction, then rape would be defined consistently across the board. It obviously is not. I told you, "The definition does not change federal or state criminal codes or impact charging and prosecution on the federal, state or local level; it rather means that rape will be more accurately reported nationwide." And by "international UN definition," you sure that you are not confusing the ] with ]? The latter is a part of the UN; the one that the Rape article cites is the former one. And stating that you "have already demonstrated that the UCR and UN definitions, as well as the most commonly applied US federal legal definition (US UCoMJ, as listed ) recognise Made To Penetrate as rape (as they count all non-consensual sex as rape, without gender specific language)" is more of your WP:Synthesis. Provide a WP:Reliable source stating that they explicitly include "made to penetrate," and then you have a stronger case. | |||
| Also, what do you perceive that you are getting out of this discussion with me? It's not helping to improve any Misplaced Pages article, except for perhaps the article that DGAgainstDV reverted you at. If you feel that you are enlightening me, I have to disagree on that. If you more so enjoy discussing such matters because you think it makes a great difference, okay; I understand that. ] (]) 06:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Reliable source showing more pedophiles are homosexual == | |||
| Could you please give your thoughts on which should be added into the ] article? Others on the talk page have said it shouldn't. I disagree since the source and information seem accurate. Thanks. ] (]) 09:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :You mean aside from the fact that it's 22 years old? --]] 09:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|DMSMD}}, I've left that discussion up to others to reply to you on; if I had felt the need to reply, I would have. I might still reply regarding that, but I doubt it. ] (]) 10:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Flyer22 could you at least chime in on whether or not the info is accurate and/or the source is reliable. You seem to be in favor of censorship when it comes to LGBT issues if the information is not politically correct, however you also appear to be an informed prolific Misplaced Pages editor that may have some insight on this controversial matter. Thanks. ] (]) 00:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::See on my user page? I stand by that, I operate like that, and never does it involve "censorship when it comes to LGBT issues if the information is not politically correct." These "politically correct" arguments that editors are throwing my way lately, meaning yours and at the ] talk page, are flimsy. You have had equally, and more so, qualified people answer you at that talk page, including psychologist/sexologist ] and ] editor ]. You do not need me weighing in on it. And, without having read 's latest response, I can see by the length of his or her post, that I have enough to reply to regarding that matter. But I will speak of the age of the source to you now: It's been pointed out as too old to you before, including above on my talk page, and that the results should have been replicated by now if they are reliable; those points are key aspects of how Misplaced Pages treats research matters, especially medical matters. See ], ] and ]. The Respect secondary sources section, for example, states, "If no review on the subject is published in a reasonable amount of time, then the content and primary source should be removed." It also states, "A reason to avoid primary sources in the biomedical field—especially papers reporting results of ''in vitro'' experiments—is that they are often not ] and are therefore unsuitable for use in generating encyclopedic, reliable content about health." It then gives an example. ] (]) 01:35, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Concur with Flyer here and also replied at article Talk page. <code>]]</code> 03:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Flyer you mentioned you've been accused of being heterosexist. If you don't mind could you please give some examples of this? Also you wrote on your User Page "I could be LGBT or heterosexual, for all you know". Just curious, why do you keep your sexual orientation private? I ask this because many people who actively edit on Misplaced Pages (esp. on LGBT and sexuality articles) identify themselves using various sexual orientation userboxes. Please get back to me, thanks. ] (]) 04:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::An example of someone on Misplaced Pages calling me heterosexist, or pretty much calling me that? Sure. Here is an example: ]. | |||
| :::::As for why I don't identify my sexual orientation on Misplaced Pages, there are two reasons. First: Once a person identifies their sexual orientation, religion, "]" (I put "race" in quotation marks because I don't believe in "race"; I believe in ]), and sometimes even their sex, on Misplaced Pages, it's often the case that the person is accused of having an agenda if they edit a topic related to what they identify as. It's also often the case that the person who has identified on Misplaced Pages with any of the aforementioned identities is discriminated against (ones who identify as white or heterosexual to a lesser degree, but bias is still claimed often enough). For example, a person who identifies as heterosexual and edits a sexual topic that just so happens to mostly conform to a heterosexual view is likely to be accused of ] by a LGBT member; I've seen that happen more than once. It's vice versa for a LGBT person editing a LGBT topic and encountering a heterosexual on that topic; I've seen that even more so. And if a person identifies as Christian on their user page or by any other religion, and edits religious topics, then watch out. Watch the fireworks! Identifying as any of those things on Misplaced Pages, except for maybe whether you are male, female or identify as intersex, is often not beneficial and commonly leads to ammo that another Misplaced Pages editor can use against you. That is the dirty side of Misplaced Pages. Even identifying as male or female can get one accused of bias; because I'm female, I've been called a ] and as pushing a feminist agenda. See ], for example. I don't identify as a feminist, even though I believe in equal rights for women. Too much of feminism is too political, and often ], for my tastes. The only reason I've identified on my user page that I'm not religious is so that it's clear, at least to those who believe me, that I am never editing from a religious point of view. Yes, we all have biases, but unlike many editors at this site, I do my best to leave my biases off Misplaced Pages. I cannot stress enough how much it angers me to see editors engaging in ]. | |||
| :::::The other reason that I don't reveal my sexual orientation on Misplaced Pages is because (like I told a fellow Wikipedian via email, one I also have not disclosed my sexual orientation to) I like the ambiguity; I like editors not knowing, with some editors thinking that I'm heterosexual and other editors thinking that I'm LGBT. I like that there may be some editors who think that I'm asexual due to my significant work on the ] article. I like editors being so certain (what they think is certainty of my sexual orientation), and yet still lacking that confirmation. That includes one or more ] who checked through my data and may have wondered whether I focused on a sexual topic for research or personal interest, or whether someone else using my computer did. On a side note: With the exception of some LGBT people, I don't see many people who edit sexual topics on Misplaced Pages identifying their sexual orientation on their user page. | |||
| :::::Now let me ask you a question: Who are you when it comes to your experience with editing Misplaced Pages? You don't strike me as new to editing Misplaced Pages in the least. Signing your username with each post, looking in the edit history to see what , relaying that "many people who actively edit on Misplaced Pages (esp. on LGBT and sexuality articles) identify themselves using various sexual orientation userboxes." I know a non-] when I see him or her, and you are one. If you continue editing Misplaced Pages for long enough, I'll eventually figure out who you are; I usually do figure out people's past Misplaced Pages accounts, regardless of how good they think they are at disguising themselves and regardless of whether or not I reveal their past identities to the Misplaced Pages community. ] (]) 05:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Flyer22 thanks for your response. It's interesting that you reveal certain bits of information about yourself but keep other info private. As far as who I am yes I have edited articles on WP in the past (about five years ago) but due to work and a hectic busy life I no longer have the time. I prefer spending my leisure time doing other things like watching TV, reading books, reading various articles on WP, listening to music, etc. I have a few questions for you and then I'll leave you alone : ) When you say "I'll eventually figure out who you are; I usually do figure out people's past Misplaced Pages accounts" how do you go about doing this, are you psychic *sarcasm* or do you have exceptional memory, or something like that? Once you "figure out" who certain users or sockpuppets are, what do you base your decision on as to whether or not to report them to Misplaced Pages community "higher-ups" such as admins or checkusers? You wrote "I have significant knowledge in the social/scientific/psychological/sexual fields... Specific detail on my credentials are without mention on Misplaced Pages". If you have credentials in specific fields of knowledge why are you keeping those credentials secret, I would think that would lend you more credibilty in terms of editing articles on Misplaced Pages. Last question: I'm a little confused by this sentence "When it comes to Pensacola, Florida, Flyer has no interest in staying long, and may often venture out to Los Angeles, California or New York City" - so do you currently live in Pensacola? The wording "venture out" is confusing to me also, do you visit those two cities for vacation or is it work-related or something else like that? Get back to me when you can, thanks again. ] (]) 07:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Nah, I don't trust you. For example, going so far back into my user page edit history that you that I posted, but later removed because I no longer want it on my user page? Yep, you won't be getting any more personal information out of me. But like I stated, keep editing Misplaced Pages long enough under your new Misplaced Pages account and I'll know who you are sooner rather than later. ] (]) 07:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::I am confused, you don't trust me? The questions that I inquired about are mostly related to Misplaced Pages and editing on Misplaced Pages articles if you go back and read my last post. Can you at least answer those questions? If you don't want to answer the personal questions no problem. As odd as this sounds the birthday thing I actually recalled from memory, I didn't go back into your edit history to find it (I know you may think I'm making that up but I'm not, I have Asperger's and have very good memory when it comes to remembering dates of birth and certain number sequences, even on obscure things like a WP userpage). The reason I probably remember it is because over the years I have viewed people's user pages only a very small percentage (apx. 1%) post their actual birth dates on WP. ] (]) 07:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::You are correct that I don't believe you. Nor do I trust anything that you state. Go away now. ] (]) 07:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::Flyer I'm not trying to bother you but I am truly confused. Why are you telling me to "go away now"? What did I do wrong? I apologize if posting your birth date annoyed you. If I hadn't of posted it here (and then removed it because I thought it was unnecessary to include in my reply) would you have answered my earlier questions? Again I apologize, please get back to me so I understand what's going on, thanks bye. ] (]) 07:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Already you are reminding me of a particular editor I've had the misfortune of dealing with. What don't you understand about "Go away now."? Either stop posting to my talk page this instance, or I will make you stop. ] (]) 07:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::I'm confused, how can you "make me stop"? I haven't vandalized your page, or used vulgar language or threats or anything else like that. Again all I'm requesting is that you please answer the '''non-personal''' questions that I inquired about in my earlier post. I promise to then leave you alone and not post on here any more. I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and apologize again if I'm doing anything wrong here. ] (]) 08:14, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| === Response === | |||
| Flyer22 could you please respond to my '''non-personal questions'''? Not really sure why you are freaking out and what the big deal is here... ] (]) 08:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{tps}}{{Ping|DMSMD}} You have been asked to stop posting here. What you are doing now is hounding this editor, bullying them. You need to stop this behaviour and to stop it at once. It doesn't matter whether you perceive your questions as reasonable, they do not. So please accede to their request. ] ] 08:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::''"It doesn't matter whether you perceive your questions as reasonable, they do not"''...Yes they do not because they are retarded, paranoid, and most likely a bitch as well... | |||
| And why is this person even allowed to edit on WP at all when the idiot says something like ''"I don't believe in "race"; I believe in ]".'' Seriously, you believe in clines?? WOW.. just proves how ignorant you are.... | |||
| :Yes, thank you for showing me your true colors. You obviously have not done much reading on the topic of biology since you don't understand why I don't believe that race, in the context of human biological classification, exists. I even pointed you to the ] article so that you could read up. Apparently, you did not. Let's make it easier for you: Google " on regular Google, and , and see that it is common for scientists to state that race does not exist among humans, but rather that ] (that's the right link, not the one you linked to) do. And yet I'm the ignorant one? Oh, and now you suddenly start forgetting to sign your username, as seen and ? Yeah. Sure. Sighs. Plenty of idiots edit Misplaced Pages, but I'm not one of them. ] (]) 09:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Noting followup commentary and One or two people at ] have been against mentioning race at the Cline (biology) article, but that was mostly because of how previous versions, like , were written. Other editors who have weighed in at that talk page are clearly in favor of race being mentioned there. And it should be, since clines are often discussed hand in hand with race among scientists. ] (]) 09:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :And you're caught: ]. Thanks, ], for taking the initiative on running that check. ] (]) 15:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's you!! You're the one who keeps stealing socks from my dryer! --] <sup>]</sup> 15:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::LOL!! ] (]) 16:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Would you like some of my odd socks? Ah wait, Misplaced Pages has enough already! ] ] 16:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Yes, they do, whether it's ones I'm personally connected to, random ones thrown my way, or the ones in the general population. ] (]) 16:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I have noticed that Fly is like static cling: the socks are attracted to her! ;) The cool thing about that is that by engaging her, they get caught and are flung away. That's right Fly, you are the dryer of WP! ;) ] (]) 16:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I did try to away from me, not only because I can often work the case myself with no problem and then their chance to be free is gone, but because of who may be watching my talk page. But stubborn is as stubborn does. ] (]) 16:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Also, and I noticed it at the time, DMSMD quoted a part of my user page that used to use the third person; this further indicated to me that he had looked into my user page edit history and was not recalling a thing from memory. ] (]) 23:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hello Flyer22. | |||
| Could you please explain why you consider my contributions to Igor Bezler not constructive? The original quote from the source is "Those who are fighting with volunteer battalions, we question them and then shoot them on the spot. Why should we show any pity to them?... You should see what they have done to my people. They chop off their heads and shit in the helmets! They are fascists!". The sentences "You should see what they have done to my people. They chop off their heads" gives a reason on why Bezler concludes that "They are fascists!" and believes they deserve no pity. Excluding these sentences changes the meaning of the whole quote by Bezler. I see only two possibilities here: either including the full quote or nothing.--] (]) 08:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, {{User|Lademoen}}. I thought that you were adding your own commentary. So I . I did not see your "added missing part of the quote" explanation, or it did not register with my brain. Feel free to add that part of the quote back. However, there is often nothing wrong with condensing a quote, as long as it condensed properly and is not presented out of context; quotes are often condensed on Misplaced Pages, per the ] policy and sometimes to avoid the ] guideline (at least I often condense to avoid that guideline). It's usually better to break up a quote (not necessarily condense it) than to have one or more blockquotes. By "breaking up," I mean adding "he said" or "she said" every now and then at the end of a statement and wording parts of the quote in your own words (as long as you stay true to the meaning of the quote). See, for example, what I did with quoting at ]. ] (]) 10:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks, Flyer22, now I see it was a misunderstanding. I agree that condensing a quote may be a good practice in general, but this time it was not acceptable as it affected the meaning of the quote. Thank you also for saving me from the automatic reversion of my changes by ] and his discouraging comments on my talk page.--] (]) 11:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::You're welcome, {{User|Lademoen}}. ClueBot NG is a bot, and ] or other bad words will often trigger the bot. ] (]) 11:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Pass a method SPI == | |||
| Howdy! Your report exceeds 5,000 characters, it is long. I think that clerk may decline CU and hope for the evaluation of behavioural evidence. Lets see how long it will take. | |||
| Once it will be confirmed that this is sock of pass a method then what has to be done? You should recall what happened last time, sock was blocked but pass a method wasn't reblocked. Restrictions on Pass a method were lifted. But he has abused the editing privileges and topic ban should be longer. I don't know where to raise this issue. Have you got any plan? ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small></span> 14:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :OccultZone, regarding the latest ], you're stating that there is a limit for how long the report should be? If so, I missed that. I have not started many official WP:Sockpuppet investigations; I've usually pointed out WP:Sockpuppets, which led to other editors starting the official WP:Sockpuppet investigations or a WP:Administrator and/or ] blocking an editor on the spot, such as when dealing with obvious WP:Sockpuppets of pro-pedophile users; ] concerns that matter. I would hope that a clerk does not decline a WP:CheckUser looking at the latest Pass a Method WP:Sockpuppet report, given the evidence that I presented. Sure, Pass a Method might not be all of those editors, but the first three of those accounts need looking into by a WP:CheckUser. Notice that none of them have yet to defend themselves in that investigation, despite the ping they likely got via ]. , I also let User:Overagainst know that I reported him. He has ignored that statement. Perhaps because he's not Pass a Method; perhaps because he is Pass a Method. Either way, I don't trust him. Something is very fishy there. | |||
| :In the latest Pass a Method investigation, you can see that I requested that the Pass a Method account be indefinitely blocked. Pass a Method doesn't need an extension of the topic ban; , which is why his account was not re-blocked in the second investigation. What he needs is for his account to be indefinitely blocked and officially tagged as a WP:Sockpuppet master. You can obviously voice your opinion on that matter there, which is likely to help. ] (]) 16:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Note:''' He ; I won't be replying. ] (]) 07:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == IPs == | |||
| I believe that claiming that this IP address belongs to that editor is generally taken as a violation of ] and probably the privacy policy. You might want to redact those statements. (not watching this page) ] (]) 15:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|WhatamIdoing}} Please back up that belief with a pointer to a guideline or discussion. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :WhatamIdoing, (notice that I did query, and stated that, to me, they are the same person) is not a violation of WP:OUTING, especially since the editor has admitted to being that IP. If we were not allowed to query such matters, then ] would be partly hindered. ] (]) 15:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, and, yes, I am aware that ]s usually (note: usually) will not publicly tie an IP to a registered account. They will all but state that the IP and registered editor are the same person, though, by blocking on behavioral evidence. When I see an IP's editing matching a registered editor's editing, I am likely to note that on the article talk page. ] (]) 15:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Agreed. When submitting an SPI, we are ''supposed'' to give behaviorial evidence linking IP's to user names so action without a CU can be taken. On ANI, linking IP's with registered editors and citing ] (making sure the evidence is strong) is a regular occurrence. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::] says, "Posting another editor's personal information is harassment". The privacy policy defines "personal information" as including "your real name, address, phone number, email address, password, identification number on government-issued ID, IP address, user-agent information, credit card number". | |||
| :::I have seen editors get in trouble over this in the past. I'd rather that you didn't get tied up in a complaint like that. ] (]) 17:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::], I appreciate you trying to help. And you and I both know that I can be stubborn and take-no-prisoners at times, but I've explained above that I don't see that I've done a thing wrong regarding indicating that the IP and that editor are the same person. I've explained above how I roll regarding the likelihood that an IP and registered editor are the same person; I stand by that. Have for years. ] (]) 17:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::] gives a definition of: "Personal information includes legal name, date of birth, identification numbers, home or workplace address, job title and work organisation, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, whether any such information is accurate or not." Nothing about IP address. If you want that as part of the definition then you need to lobby to get that added (and prepare for the backlash). --] <sup>]</sup> 18:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Hi== | |||
| Hi | |||
| Article about Arif Hussain Al Hussaini haven't strong resources except you mentioned two references to resource which when click on second of it, liked to page with user name and password .for entering that site need user name and password .Please remove and put it when your part of article have strong resources. | |||
| thanks | |||
| ==m8== | |||
| ''wat'' r u '''doing''' m8 my perfectly legal edit got rolled back. top lel m8. 1v1 me m97 ] (]) 16:49, 9 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Dummy edits == | |||
| Stop witht he dummy edits, you're messing with the spacing inside the edit window. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 08:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], there was true dummy edit. And it was perfectly acceptable. , however, was a revert of your silly need to chastise. I will use dummy edits when I see a reason to appropriately do so, as is clearly allowed by ]. You are not the first person I've encountered who has stated something that gives the impression that dummy edits are not allowed when it comes to leaving a note, including coming to my talk page to voice that belief. But you are wrong, just like the others. Don't return to my user talk page making useless posts, like the one you made above. ] (]) 08:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Post deletion: ] == | |||
| ::Hi, | |||
| ::I'd like to archive my own posts, or delete them, on the "Fair Use" talk page. The last time I posted on a high-traffic talk page, I ended up getting overwhelmed with useless posts for months. That page is very high traffic, I can already see it starting to happen again. | |||
| Thanks, ] (]) 21:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, ]. I reverted you and because it's not up to you to decide that the discussion is over. Sure, you can decide that the discussion is over for you, but that talk page section does not belong to you even though you started it. I also reverted because I think it's best that things are archived in order, and there was no need to start a new archive. But now that the bot has , I wouldn't mind if you archived the section to that archive. How about asking in that section if anyone minds if you go ahead and archive it? Also, regarding , yes, be more careful when it comes to creating archives. | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": ]" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 21:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, | |||
| ::Thank you! I see your points and that also sounds like a good option. I'll post to see how others feel and then maybe archive my posts tomorrow. | |||
| ::I'll try to be more careful too. | |||
| ::Appreciatively, ] (]) 21:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == If You Didn't Laugh, You'd Cry Edit == | |||
| Sorry about that. I know it wasn't very constructive but just putting 'citation needed' didn't feel adequate to address what looked like a review written up by one of the band members stating Stephen King said they were 'The American U2'. Half the references on this page are hilariously 404'd too. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==Adding cites and four linked articles: ]== | |||
| Hi Flyer: There are 4 links in the article section and I am adding a further citation on the new film. Toga and Mazzioti are professors at UCLA and their book also cited is well respected. There is no original research in the text at this time. ] (]) 13:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, ]. Read the ] policy, specifically the ] aspect of it. That is why I reverted you and . You are taking matters and tying them to the film ''Lucy'' in the absence of ] doing so. Where are the WP:Reliable sources stating that these are themes of the film, similar to what is stated at ]? That is my point. Also, this is a matter for the article talk page, not mine. | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": ]" so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 14:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Ejaculatory edit? == | |||
| Hi ], thanks for the re-add of a small, but important, word in my edit. I've responded to ] and hopefully won't get knocked back with my next effort if I can better reference the edits. | |||
| I noticed that you redact a lot on the sexual orientated pages and I'd appreciate your view on a few changes I have been considering, since I first viewed the ] topic last week, and got rather bothered by it. Reading your Wiki page, I admire that you approach redacting from an LBGT supportive standpoint and your policy of neutrality would be very helpful to me. I'm not sure how you can deal with the stress of it all and stay sane but would you be willing to review my thoughts on the changes I think would improve the page images, given that quite a long time has passed since they were up for debate?--] (]) 20:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, {{User|BigBearLovesPanda}}. When you link to editors' usernames, make sure that you use the word "User"; so it's "User:Flyer22," not simply "Flyer22." Also, "redact" on Misplaced Pages means something different than what you are thinking. See ]. Regarding LGBT matters, my userpage notes that I will not give ] to LGBT matters or engage in ] regarding those matters, no matter how supportive I am of the LGBT community. Yes, I am willing to consider your thoughts regarding the Ejaculation article. Like NeilN on his talk page, he because of one of the sources you added. Yes, that the other source is ]-compliant. It is. I Googled on ]; mostly the older books, from the 1950s or 1960s, came up. But the , for example, is WP:MEDRS-compliant. | |||
| :As for staying sane while editing Misplaced Pages, I barely do. I suffer from depression (including suicidal thoughts), so editing contentious topics on Misplaced Pages certainly often raises my stress levels and my depression worsens, but someone has to do the dirty work. And far too many editors at this site don't want to do that work, so I fill that spot when I can manage it. The name-calling rolls right off of me, for the most part. Sure, it and other incivility (see ]), can anger me (the general incivility often does), but it's not often that I'm hurt by any of the words. Being called a bitch, cunt, idiot, etc. is a part of the job here (at least for me). I know that my depression often contributes to me being less than civil (usually when someone is uncivil to me first), but I often try not to be (even when my mindset is simultaneously "If you are rude to me, then expect me to be rude to you in return."). I wouldn't recommend anyone edit Misplaced Pages unless they stick to relatively uncontroversial topics. But even editing fiction can lead to a lot of unpleasantness, and editing relatively uncontroversial topics can lead to editing controversial topics. That's how I and many others started out on Misplaced Pages. I came to this site interested in documenting the fictional couple ], and I spread out to other areas that I'm knowledgeable in from there. Sometimes, like many people at this site, I wonder if Misplaced Pages would be significantly more peaceful if more women edited here; but with some of the women I've encountered at this site, and given the catty nature of many women, perhaps that would not be the case. ] (]) 10:38, 13 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: Hi ], I'm pretty rubbish at proof reading my own work and no matter how many times I try to be better I always miss something so I really appreciate you pointing out my Wiki mistakes. I'll get there eventually. I'm so sorry to hear you get depressed. My ex-partner and I both suffered with it in the past so I know just how awful it can be. It really pisses me off when I hear people saying "why don't you pull yourself together" or "you'll get over it", they are well meaning but really haven't got a clue. The anti-depressants we both went on were a fucking nightmare (excuse the language) and we both ended up like zombies. I could only stick with them for a few months before I gave up and decided to try other solutions. We were very lucky because for some reason, neither of us ever worked out, we both recovered. I took up cycling for fitness and I think that helped my mind recover as I was almost meditating on my regular circuit but who knows? I have to say the legacy of my depression is being a 51 year old man that weeps at the silliest of things. My emotions have been a bit of car wreck ever since but life goes on I guess. Anyway, stay strong and 'don't let the bastards grind you down'. It may take me a while to get my editing act together but many thanks for agreeing to check out my edits. I'm sure I won't get it right first time so I really will appreciate your honest candid views. I hate people pussy footing around a subject so your candour is rather lovely.--] (]) 17:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks, BigBearLovesPanda. No need to link my username while you're on my talk page. As for depression, I tried anti-depressants as well (the first one being ]); my mother thinks that they improved my mental health, and that I wasn't on them long enough to see a big improvement, but I'm convinced that any improvement by taking that so-called medicine was due to the ]. And this, to me, means that there is no cure for my depression. Well, unless one thinks that the placebo effect can be a cure (which it is for some people). If it was light depression, I don't think that the medication would be needed, but, at the same time, I don't think that I suffer from ]...at least going by the first sentence Other times, I wonder if I do suffer from that. I'm not sure if a doctor has characterized my depression as major depressive disorder, clinical depression, major depression, unipolar depression, or unipolar disorder (I'd have to check my medical records); but the lead of the Major depressive disorder article also uses the term ''recurrent depression'', and I definitely have that. It's nice that you were able to overcome your depression. And, yes, it aggravates me as well when people think that depression is a simple matter that one can simply get over; maybe in a few cases, one can simply "get over it." But in the vast majority of cases, it's not so easy to shrug off. A lot of people are wondering how ], so successful and rich, could have been depressed and killed himself. Some people think that he was lacking mental strength, selfish or cruel to commit suicide (the pain it has caused his family). These people simply don't understand depression and suicide. But there will always be people who think about these topics in those ways, regardless of how informed the general public becomes on them. Yes, suicide may be selfish. But I query: Is it not just as selfish to ask or force a person to live simply for your sake, when that person is in mental anguish day in and day out? I've told my mother that; it made her cry. But that's how I feel. And when people ask me if I'm doing well or imply that they wonder how I'm doing, I don't like to answer because I'm usually "forced" to state, "I'm okay." or "Doing fine." (such as when on the phone with someone), when that's technically a lie. No one wants to hear about how terrible someone is doing. Too many people don't care, and it makes those same people and many others feel awkward. So lie. And I hate lying. | |||
| :::Anyway, yes, feel free to make a ] edit at the aforementioned article you edited or start a discussion on the talk page about the changes you want to make to that article, and I'll review the matter. ] (]) 20:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Sockpuppet investigation == | |||
| Wow, that looks like an intense amount of careful work that you did with the Sockpuppet investigation of Pass a Method. Thanks for the important work you do which helps to make the lives of other wiki editors easier and more importantly helps make[REDACTED] a better resource. --] (]) 03:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == August 2014 == | |||
| Hi Flyer22, it was a mistake of mine. You can say that I am experienced because I am also a . Thanks ] (]) 04:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == why did you remove my post of corroberated source of prophet yahweh passing away? == | |||
| why did you remove my post of corroberated source of prophet yahweh passing away? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Battle of Borodino == | |||
| Please read sources and talk page before reverting unnecessarily (and marking said revert as "minor"). Thankyou. ] (]) 13:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|ZinedineZidane98}}, I at that article because you were ] and ] . ] is policy. Handle that matter on the article talk page. I didn't mark the edit as ]; ], the tool I used to revert you, did. ] (]) 14:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Sexting picture == | |||
| You are invited to respond, here: ]. Cheers, ] (]) 18:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, ]. That article is on my WP:Watchlist, though, so no need to inform me of your reply. I had overlooked your latest reply there, but I would have gotten back there eventually and decided on whether there's a point in continuing that discussion. ] (]) 19:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == A cup of coffee for you! == | |||
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== Damn... == | ||
| Hi. I just received your threat. Please read what I wrote and revert yourself. ] (]) 18:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: My talk page == | |||
| Please check your email. - ] 01:19, 20 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :All this secrecy regarding the latest editor who shall not be named at the ] talk page, including you made at your talk page, is not something I'm keen on. You've already gone through ] regarding this editor while there are similar editors I could point to who have not had their histories run through WP:Suppression, so I don't know why more censorship is needed. But whatever the higher ups want to do. ] (]) 01:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Glen Eira College == | |||
| Hi and thanks for your edits reversing vandalism on ]! | |||
| Do you think you could take a deeper look at this? This has been vandalized most thoroughly - I stopped because I already did three reverts there today. Thanks! ] (]) 18:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], one of the exemptions of the ] policy is ]. If it's all WP:Vandalism, then revert away. But I'll have a closer look at the article later. ] (]) 18:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, and thanks again! I didn't know about the exemptions to 3RR, guess I've never actually studied that - but I need to as it's been used against me unjustly in the past! Many thanks! ] (]) 20:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :When I reverted, I didn't even read ; now that I have, and see the ''Shrek'' matter, it's clear that it's nothing but vandalism. ] (]) 18:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Requested - lots of nonsense on that article today. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==FYI== | |||
| Hi Flyer22. As one of the main WikiProject Africa contributors, your input ] would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, ] (]) 19:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], I'm not one of the main WikiProject Africa contributors (not that I know of). I have the ] and ] articles on my ] because of how controversial they can be, but I'm not primarily involved with any African articles. That stated, I might comment on that ] later. ] (]) 19:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == 2012 Presidential Election Ohio == | |||
| Hi, Obama won Ohio fair and square. Those alleged voter fraud perpetrators did not successfully vote twice. The system is set up to catch attempts at double voting. | |||
| == Handan Sultan == | |||
| Sorry, this is not vandalizm, but Handan Sultan had no connection to Circassian or Mahidevran. | |||
| I saw many Articles here about woman of the ottoman Dynasty, since Muhtesem yüzyil series always made false statemants by this so called Mahidevran Fans. | |||
| In the Ottoman Harem at this Time there was no circassian, or any own cousin of a Ottoman Prince. | |||
| There is nor source who claimed before this series that Handan was a Circassian and a relative to Mahidevran. | |||
| She was a Greek and her name was Helena when she enter in the Harem. | |||
| This storys of some Valide sultanas are a joke...only written by one person... | |||
| Handan Sultan was a native greek girl named Helena and she came into the harem as all the other girls as slave. | |||
| Best regards | |||
| == Handan Sultan == | |||
| I didnt know why there is two links posted? | |||
| I only want to explain that the article of Handan is wrong...she was not a circassian. | |||
| == Sony revenues incorrect == | |||
| Hi, I don't know how any of this Misplaced Pages editing stuff works but I tried to change some financial information on the "Sony" page, regarding their revenue and net income and it was reverted back to its incorrect figures. If you look at the PDF that Sony put out, you will see that their income is much lower than what is currently on Misplaced Pages. For example, it reports net income of 31 Billion USD, when in fact Sony had a loss of 120 million. Their revenue, operating income, and net income are all wrong. Please fix them. | |||
| Thank You. ] (]) 00:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Your message on my talk page re: Jury rigging == | |||
| Hiya. Just letting you know that you made a mistake and shouldn't have undid my edit. I realize that I'm an anonymous contributor and thus am not as important in the grand scheme of Misplaced Pages though so I won't add it back myself but I urge you to please un-undo it. ] (]) 04:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Daemons, His dark materials == | |||
| Hello, just to let you know that I ''(partially)'' reverted your edit on Daemons, His dark materials. Whilst I understand why you would think this might be vandalism, in fact 'homosexual' is one of the speculations that Pullman agrees to in the interview. I slightly modified the previous text to make it clearer that Pullman is very much saying 'maybe, I don't know really'.As here:] (]) 11:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == A wiki etiquette tip for you: ] article == | |||
| When correcting a minor typo, it isn't necessary to embarrass the editor who made it by identifying him on the edit summary. ] (]) 18:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], which typo are you referring to? Whatever the case, I disagree. If the matter is embarrassing to that editor, then it's an embarrassing matter that is noted in the edit history regardless. What I did is done often on Misplaced Pages. It is not something that would be embarrassing to every editor; for example, someone acknowledging that they corrected my typo is not at all embarrassing to me. We all make typos. It's common. If you don't want your typos ever pointed out, then don't make them. ] (]) 10:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Seeing you pop back up on my ], I now see . | |||
| :I altered the heading of this discussion section with ": ] article " so that it is clear as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. ] (]) 18:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == keep your eyes wide open. == | |||
| Hello, I am Divya. I had edited the content featuring Anees Salim. I hail from his place and know a lot more than you know about him. So, what's the point in editing my content? It's not like you have added something new, so I suggest you to carry out a nice deep research before editing others content. No offence meant! ] (]) 15:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|Divya Krish}}, I don't care about what offense you meant. I care about you not replacing reliably sourced content with POV-wording and unsourced content, especially on a ]. That is why I reverted you . If you've researched the person so well, then provide ] for your additions, and don't add POV-wording such as "popularly known for" and "claims to." Read WP:Biography of a living person, WP:Reliable sources and ], including its ] guideline. ] (]) 15:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Why did you undid my texts ? I do not know any other studies about this topic. How will you improve this article if you do not use these studies ?] (]) 19:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|Yohan Castel}}, I explained you. You gave ] to two relatively small studies ("small" concerning what countries they focused on and the number of people assessed); they are also ]. I told you on your talk page what are the best types of sources to use for biomedical information (]-compliant sources), and that "you can also cite book sources, which can be secondary sources." If you had cited this information using book sources (reliable books by authors, other than the authors of the study, noting these research results) and hadn't given so much space to the matter, I would not have reverted you. The article needs enough improvement as it is; it doesn't need any more primary sources. And it can certainly be improved without those studies. ] (]) 19:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{tps}} Agree w/Flyer here, the sourcing was a primary study and a thesis, generally very weak sources, and the resulting image placed far too much ] weight on the findings. <code>]]</code> 20:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yes, when literature reviews or systematic reviews are available, it is more reliable sources. But when there are only two studies, how can you make systematic reviews ? And ] is for medecine. There are thousands of medical researchers around the world who publish every year thousands of biomedical articles. It is then easy to make systematic reviews. But erogenous zones is not a medical topic. In the field of sexuality (not sexology), researchers are few. Kinsey Institute, Quebec university, and a few more people around the world. Then how can you find systematic reviews ? How can you find a book written by an expert (neuroscientist and sexologist) with an article published in 2013 ? I only know Simon Levay, Anders Agmo, Erick Janssen or Jacque Balthazart who are experts in these fields. And only Levay update regularly a book about human sexuality. And moreover, Cortex has an Impact Factor of 6.042 and is published by Elsevier. It's "written by experts in the relevant field and from a respected publisher". And besides, if you have other and better sources to improve this article, I will gladly use them. ] (]) 21:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Erogenous zones concern biomedical material (]), which puts it in the domain of WP:MEDRS. This is, for example, why ] includes how to format an anatomy article. As is noted at WP:MEDRS, if a biomedical study (any study, really) has not received literature reviews or systematic reviews, or is not commented on by authors in a reliable book source, it is usually not worth noting. We can wait until, or rather if, it receives such attention. In the vast majority of cases, we should wait; this is per the things that WP:MEDRS points out about WP:Primary sources. Like I told you on your talk page, there are cases where citing primary studies by themselves for biomedical information is fine, but this is rare; I pointed out ], which states, "These instructions are appropriate for actively researched areas with many primary sources and several reviews and may need to be relaxed in areas where little progress is being made or few reviews are being published." It also notes ]. And the point of WP:Recentism is that what is recent is not always what is best. And then, of course, for anatomy details that have not changed or changed much in many years, it's okay to use much older sources...such as ''].'' I'm not clear on how you are dividing the field of sexuality from the field of ] (unless you are limiting sexology to human aspects, , which is a matter that needs fixing). Sexology is the study of sexuality, especially human sexuality. The medical field, excluding the sexual aspects, does have a lot more experts. But the sexuality/sexological field is not as small as you are making it out to be. For books that may cover a sexuality matter published in 2013, you can look on ]. ] (]) 21:51, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Anatomy is not a medical field. In theory, yes, sexology is the study of sexuality. Practically, most of the research in this field is medical research made by physicians. A search in PubMed with the keyword "Erectile dysfunction" . Outside medical research, research about the biology of sexuality is scant. For example, when you make a search with PubMed with the keyword "erogenous zones", . And the most recent result is the study from Turnbull. Then explain me, please, how to improve this article ? Because, except for the section "genitals" there are no scientific references or no references at all.] (]) 22:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Anatomy is a medical aspect, is a branch of the field of ], as noted by 2007 scholarly book source, 2007 scholarly book source, 2013 scholarly book source, 2014 scholarly book source, and many more ]. I don't see how you are disputing that, especially given what anatomy involves (such as ] and ]). Look at the Anatomy article. And, like I've already stated, since anatomy concerns biomedical information (it ), it is within the domain of WP:MEDRS when it comes to sourcing. If anatomy did not concern the medical field, there would be no section on it at WP:MEDMOS and the Anatomy article would not be tagged with the ] banner at the top of ]. The fact that anatomy is an aspect of the medical field is also why it is listed section of the Medicine article. | |||
| :::::Yes, there are not an abundance of WP:MEDRS-compliant sources discussing erogenous zones; this is because the study of sexual response is usually focused on the genitals (for example, the ]), which, yes, you've indicated by mentioning the Genitals section of the Erogenous zone article. Researchers and layman know that the genitals are erogenous. Everything else, except commonly for the ]s, ]s or ] for some people, is far more subjective (a case-by-case matter) and dubious when it comes to naming them erogenous zones. This does not mean that we should use poor sources for that material. We should generally stick to WP:Secondary reliable sources for it, regardless of the fact that there may be only a little to address when we leave out all of the bad or low-quality sources; more is not always better. When it comes to book sources for that material, and scholarly source (both from 2013) are the types of sources you should be using. Certainly not sex guide books, unless written by an actual expert in the field. You can type in a sexuality/sexology researcher in the Google Books search bar, plus the term ''erogenous zone'', and see what, if anything, Google Books pulls up about that researcher's take on erogenous zones. I don't know what else to tell you other than what I've told you on this topic. ] (]) 23:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: If I understand you well, you suggest me to use books ? But from where do come the data used in books ? From research. So, if there is only 14 studies about erogenous zones, of whom only two are recents, and half are old psychodynamics studies, what is then in the book ? Very few scientific data, and a lot of common beliefs, which are in many books and cross cited from one book to an other. Exemple : "erogenous zones include virtually all other region of the body" (from Crooks), is a claim made first by Freud and written from then on in nearly all books. Is that science ? To put it simply, I do not want to start endless discussions. I am a behavioral researcher, and I think I know how science works. I know the kind of people who write the books. They are experts on some topics, but most of the book is just what they take in other books. If you want a good example of a good sexological book, look at . If there was a book like this one about the topic of erogenous zones, il would have used it. So, please, as we have only these two studies on the topic (plus the classic ''human sexual response'' from Masters and Johnson, but with only an evaluation of the genitals), how can we use these data to improve the article, and in a way which can improve[REDACTED] and satisfy everybody ? ] (]) 00:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::It isn't that "books" should be used but secondary sources. Secondary sources have surveyed and evaluated the existing primary sources and can place appropriate weight on good quality primary sources and less weight on bad ones. A primary source cannot establish its own weight, only a secondary (or tertiary) source can. I have a hard time believing that there are no authoritative secondary sources that cover this. Regardless, the enormous graphic created using the primary data places far too much weight on individual study findings. <code>]]</code> 02:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Yohan Castel, you think that the Crooks source is citing Freud on that? I don't think so. I don't think it has anything to do with Freud, whose works have mostly been discredited. Stating that "erogenous zones include virtually all other region of the body" is the subjective matter I was referring to. Just about all parts of the body have been categorized as erogenous zones based on people's own reports on what they personally find erogenous. It's generally a case-by-case matter; the especial exception is, of course, the genitals. That's why the Erogenous zone article currently includes body parts that are not well researched as erogenous zones. When it comes to book sources, I am talking about going by solidly reliable book sources that report on the literature of erogenous zones; that's why I stated no sex guide books unless written by an expert in the sexual field. If a study on erogenous zones has not even made it into a solidly reliable book, then how can we trust that the study is worth noting? If the study has not been reviewed (not simply ]...but noted in a ]), how can we trust that the study has a good likelihood of being accurate? We don't only have those two studies on erogenous zones (or ]'s report on the human sexual response cycle, which does not only address the genitals). Perhaps we only have those two studies regarding some of the reported non-genital erogenous zones, but, again, "As is noted at WP:MEDRS, if a biomedical study (any study, really) has not received literature reviews or systematic reviews, or is not commented on by authors in a reliable book source, it is usually not worth noting. We can wait until, or rather if, it receives such attention. In the vast majority of cases, we should wait; this is per the things that WP:MEDRS points out about WP:Primary sources." You keep asking how the article can be expanded, especially regarding the non-genital material; I already stated, "We should generally stick to WP:Secondary reliable sources for it, regardless of the fact that there may be only a little to address when we leave out all of the bad or low-quality sources; more is not always better." | |||
| :::::::And, yeah, Zad, the topic of erogenous zones, except for the genitals, is not well studied. That's partly why Yohan Castel wants something added to the Erogenous zone article about these two studies. The whole "hese instructions are appropriate for actively researched areas with many primary sources and several reviews and may need to be relaxed in areas where little progress is being made or few reviews are being published" matter. ] (]) 04:52, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: Yes, for the Crook book, that is the question. What are the scientific sources for their section about erogenous zones ? There are very few scientific data available (). Then what are the scientific sources in all the sexological books ? And when you talk about WP:Undue weight, you compare to what ? The numerous books with chapters about erogenous zones, but without scientific sources ? What are the scientific data you weight against ? Correct me if I am wrong, but I know only two other studies about this topic and . And these four studies are complementary. So I do not understand why there is an undue weight when I cite 50% of the existing scientific data about this topic ? And for WP:MEDRS « if a biomedical study (any study, really) has not received literature reviews or systematic reviews, or is not commented on by authors in a reliable book source, '''it is usually not worth noting'''». Do you believe that erogenous zones are « not worth noting » ? Are they not, with the reward system, a main factor in sexual behavior and ? Are you aware that in the sexology field there are strong ideological influences ? In USA GW Bush belonged to an evangelical church, and churches are opposed to sexual researchs ( or more recent ). So why studies about erogenous zones are not available ? Because erogenous zones are '''not worth noting''' or because of a strong ideological (and political) opposition to sex research ? And please, could you help me to understand how we can improve an article with so few available research ? As I told you last week, I agree that systematic reviews or pluridisciplinary work are generally better than a single study. But what should we do when there are no systematic reviews ? I truly do not understand why you do not want these '''only two existing studies''' comparing the erogenous zones, but, on the contrary, you did not undid all the sections (except "genitals") without any references at all !!! I am not against high quality articles in wikipedia, but then why keeping texts without any references ? Are[REDACTED] rules just an excuse to exclude these articles ? Please, can you tell me '''precisely''' how to improve this article ? With a section with methodological warnings ? With explanations why there are so few research on this topic ? Both ? Please, explain me. ] (]) 08:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::As for a solidly reliable book source commenting on the literature, it is not required of us to ask where they got their data. You are making it a requirement. All we have to do is follow what the sources state. There are plenty of studies that look at the genitals as erogenous zones, as is clear by the Genitals section in the Erogenous zones article. I've already explained above regarding the non-genital erogenous zones; I stated "''the study of sexual response is usually focused on the genitals (for example, the ]), which, yes, you've indicated by mentioning the Genitals section of the Erogenous zone article''" and "''esearchers and layman know that the genitals are erogenous. Everything else, except commonly for the ]s, ]s or ] for some people, is far more subjective (a case-by-case matter) and dubious when it comes to naming them erogenous zones.''" Yes, I am aware that there are "strong ideological influences" in the sexology field. That goes for a lot of research areas, but I highly doubt that "strong ideological influences" is the reason that so few studies focus on non-genital erogenous zones. After all, non-genital erogenous zones are far less controversial than genital erogenous zones (well, except for the anus), and yet, out of the two, genital erogenous zones have been studied far more than non-genital erogenous zones. Sexual activity is well studied; "strong ideological influences" clearly have not stopped that from happening. I reiterate that the study of sexual response is mostly about the genitals. So that's one way that your text was WP:Undue weight. I see nothing wrong with the Erogenous zone article being mostly about the genitals when that is what the vast majority of research regarding erogenous zones concerns. You are making it out as though we need to include these two small studies to improve the article. That going by a solidly reliable book source commenting on the literature is not good enough. I disagree. | |||
| :::::::::The WP:Due weight policy is clear that WP:Due weight can be given in a number of ways; it states, "Undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." Look at these two relatively small studies, as though they generally represent all men and women. That is WP:Undue weight. The first study states, "A sample of some 800 participants, primarily from the British Isles and Sub-Saharan Africa, completed a survey of 41 body parts, each rated for erogenous intensity." For one, that's a small sample. For two, ] is an area that is well known for ] (FGM); such mutilation is very prominent there. Given that prominence, it's also clear why many women there would rely on body parts other than the genitals as erogenous zones. Therefore, how can women from Sub-Saharan Africa accurately reflect the general material on female genital erogenous zones? Third: Your material included the ], a highly debated area that the vast majority of scientists don't even believe exists....unless attributing it to the ]. So why should we give so much weight to these two studies? That is a part of my point. My points on this matter have nothing to do with my thinking that erogenous zones are not worth noting. They have to do with my not liking dubious research about sexuality being given so much weight in a Misplaced Pages article, or any weight in many cases. The other dubious material in the article? Feel free to remove it. I'm not defending it. I stated above, "The article needs enough improvement as it is; it doesn't need any more primary sources." Arguing that I should not have reverted you unless I removed the other poor material is not a good argument. It's a ] argument, and it fails in this case because edits of dubious quality are reverted all the time, regardless of whether or not the article is already of dubious quality. All that stated, perhaps it's fine to give these two studies a bit of placement in the Erogenous zone article, based on the "''hese instructions are appropriate for actively researched areas with many primary sources and several reviews and may need to be relaxed in areas where little progress is being made or few reviews are being published''" aspect. But, after a couple or a few years, if this material still is not reviewed by high-quality sources, it should then be removed. Zad, any opinion on that? How would you format this material if we include it? ] (]) 23:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == You removed my edit, which WAS constructive. == | |||
| Hello. I made an edit to a page on Michael Persinger and you removed it claiming it was not constructive. On the contrary, it was very constructive. The study in question on the page was incorrectly reported and I was correcting it to match the actual study. I could question the constructive value of your edits, because all you do is revert changes which is more destructive than constructive. Thank you. I will redo this AND list the summary of changes with reference. | |||
| ] (]) 04:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|Robertlee79}}, I don't see anything constructive about you inserting question marks into areas, like you did . So, yes, I reverted you. And as for "question the constructive value of edits, because all do is revert changes which is more destructive than constructive," you must not be familiar with all that I do on Misplaced Pages. But whatever. ] (]) 04:16, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I had a look at the OP's other contribs. All except the first used dubious sources (putting it politely) or removed well sourced material and all have been reverted. ], please read ], ], and ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 05:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the tips. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:05, 29 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Competence issue with an editor == | |||
| You reverted Samuelzohmingliana. Any suggestions as to what to do about this well-meaning editor whose edits are pretty nigh incomprehensible as well as unsourced? Thanks. @@@@ <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :], the only suggestion I have is explaining on the user's talk page your objections. As you no doubt know, so many ] ignore warnings or advice and/or don't see them and therefore don't respond. Sometimes there is a language barrier. If the problematic editing continues after you explain your concerns to the editor, it's time to seek action for ]. I will temporarily put the article in question on my ] to help you out (backup). ] (]) 13:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. ] (]) 14:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == A cookie for you! == | |||
| {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" | |||
| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ] | |||
| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Possibly one of the longest user pages I ever came across {{smiley}}. Enjoy this. Cheers! Happy Editing! ] <sup>]</sup> 17:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| |} | |||
| :], you mean my user page or my user talk page? Whichever the case, I've seen longer. Much longer in certain cases. ] (]) 18:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Was referring to your user page though! ] <sup>]</sup> 07:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Just in case== | |||
| Hello Flyer22. I have posted a couple things on the thread on the Pederasty talk page. I want you to know that I value your knowledge and research skills. If anything I have posted causes offense then I want to apologize to you ahead of time. I always remember ]'s adage about learning something new every day. That includes changing something I thought I had learned when it is in error. Thanks for your time and efforts here at WikiP. ]|] 02:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello, ]. Thank you. I very much mean that. And, no, you have not offended me at the ] talk page. You likely offended , but not me. ] (]) 02:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::You are welcome. You post is gracious and I appreciate it very much as well. Remember that this also applies to future posts/stumbles that I might make :-) Cheers. ]|] 02:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well that ended as we suspected that it might. You did your best. Logging on this morning I found that the editor {{user|JaysonSunshine}} was indeffed for the same reason. This persons user page had many of the same arguments and sources on it as N used. The page is now blanked but it is still in the history if you are interested. It makes me wonder if the two are connected in some way - maybe Meatpuppets. Or perhaps I have watched and read too many mysteries and this is just a coincidence. In any event have a great week on WikiP and even more so off. ]|] 15:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I know about the JaysonSunshine case; I commented on it at NeilN's talk page. ] (]) 15:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thanks for the info and the link. ]|] 15:35, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == My edits review request == | |||
| Hi Flyer, I am a fraud. I confessed to admin that from the jump I've been a POV pusher. I've never even bothered to read the 5 pillars. So could you please peek at my edits to see if everything is kosher now. | |||
| --] (]) 06:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Wlmg, at first, I thought you were entirely serious about being a fraud, etc., LOL, which speaks to not always being able recognize humor via text. Regarding your edits, they look fine to me. However, regarding , I don't usually consider the word ''significant'' to be a ]. It wasn't needed in the text you removed it from. But, for example, it's a popular word regarding medical content. And I usually prefer it to the word ''very''; for example, a piece of text might state "very painful." In that case, I prefer "significantly painful" for an encyclopedic tone. And regarding you made, ], but they need to be done well, similar to the ] article. And given that some editors like to remove "In popular culture" sections, it can also be best to title such a section "In the media" to throw them off, similar to the ] and ] articles. But your reasons for removing the aforementioned "In popular culture" section is valid. ] (]) 06:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks Flyer you're the greatest ;-). | |||
| == Vandalizm? == | |||
| Safiye >Sultan was not an native Albanian so what is Vandalizm to changend it? | |||
| She was a Venetian, Sofia Baffo. | |||
| Please look the the real ottoman archive sources and not from any selfmade mahidevran sultan fan historian who wrote bullshit here in[REDACTED] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:17, 3 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Edit on Sexual harassment page == | |||
| Sorry about that. My spell checker said that they were wrong. Do you know of a good tool for spell checking? What about UK vs USA English differences? ] <span style="color:green">|</span> ] 13:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :It's fine, ]. And, no, I don't. ] (]) 16:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Animal Hospital == | |||
| Hi, I changed it to include the 'later shamed' as it is true given Mr Harris's recent conviction. I don't get how it was 'not constructive' according to your message - it is factually true and not unneccesarily deflamatory. Please can you review. Kind regards. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == ARBCOM question == | |||
| If someone is violating an arbcom ruling (namely repeatedly misgendering a transwoman on ]) after the {{t|alert}} has been posted on their page and subsequently been asked/warned not to misgender, should they be reported to ] or ]? It seems the former is more for regular users where a detailed case needs to be made, but I'm honestly not clear on the whole thing. I figured you'd know about this. Cheers. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 03:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :From what I saw of at WP:ANI about the ] and the topic of misgendering, I'm not sure that WP:ANI will be much help to you. You can try, of course. Far too many people, including WP:Administrators, do not fully understand the sex and gender distinction, and even more people (the vast majority) either have not heard of misgendering or don't understand it (even when it's explained to them, they will usually have a black and white way of thinking). But for WP:ArbCom enforcement on the matter you have brought up, the place to post about it is either at ] or at WP:ANI. ] (]) 04:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, and like the aforementioned WP:ANI discussion shows, ] is another option. ] (]) 04:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you! Much appreciated! ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 04:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 09:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry, I accidentally installed 'Cloud To Butt Plus' a year ago. == | |||
| == A message for you== | |||
| I completely forgot I had 'Cloud To Butt Plus' turned on. I had installed it a year ago for some reason. As you can guess, it changes all the 'cloud' words to read butt. Sorry about that :(. (childish I know) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Thank you for all your service. You will be remembered. ] (]) 11:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Precious and remembered == | |||
| :I'd never heard of Cloud To Butt Plus until you mentioned it to me minutes ago on my talk page. LOL!! I thought you might simply be attempting to be a smartass with your "Cloud To Butt Plus" story, but . Learn something new every day, I suppose. ] (]) 05:23, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| {{User QAIbox/auto|years=Seven}} --] (]) 07:38, 24 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== It hurts to know you are gone == | ||
| Flyer, you are missed, remembered, and mourned. Misplaced Pages is a darker place without you. ]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">(])</small></sup> 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Why is an interview with J. Michael Bailey an unreliable source? J. Michael Bailey is an American psychologist and professor at Northwestern University who specializes in sexual orientation. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| {{-}} | |||
| You have reverted the reference by the Bearman, too. The Bearman reference is already used by the article, and it is a solid reference. Why is it not a reliable reference? | |||
| == A candle for those we lost == | |||
| ] (]) 19:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{UT|76.88.102.76}}: This should be discussed on the article talk page, not on individual editors' talk pages.- ]] 00:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| ::], I'll mostly sit this one out. Like I the IP, he or she is focusing on ] material when it comes to the topic of changing sexual orientation and on parental factors influencing sexual orientation. As you saw, I noted, for example, that the vast majority of scientists , and they are clear about that on matters such as ]. They believe that ] changes, of course, but very few of them believe that sexual orientation actually changes. Furthermore, it's common that scientists mean "sexual orientation identity" when they state that sexual orientation can change. And the IP needs to be careful with the ]. | |||
| ] (]) 09:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == So sorry == | |||
| ::There's also ] going on with ] (who is likely ]) and at the ] article, and I've been staying out of that as well. I see that the IP reported Frimoussou at ]. For some topics, there's only so much of the same type of dispute that I can tolerate. ] (]) 20:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::I recently took that off my watchlist. There's some serious sock puppetry going on there. I'm going to see if we can get it semi-protected of PC.- ]] 20:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I only just now heard this sad news. Flyer22 was one of the good ones - I'm very sorry to hear of her illness and death. <strong>]</strong>/<small>]</small> 01:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thanks. ] will leave Frimoussou to ], of course, though. There's no doubt in my mind that Mardochee1 is Frimoussou. He or she should have been blocked on a ] basis. But if people want to take it to ] to "be fair," then so be it. ] (]) 20:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::It's hard to keep up with all these sockpuppets. I'm not familiar with Frimoussou so I can't offer much of an opinion there.- ]] 21:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry to hear == | |||
| ::::::Other than the article in question, I'm not familiar with Frimoussou; I simply compared Frimoussou's edit history to Mardochee1's edit history, which is what the IP did as well. ] (]) 21:27, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I have been away from Misplaced Pages and I return to see the sad passing of not only Flyer22 but SarahSV who commented on the discussion about Flyer's obituary just months before her own death. I am generally a skeptic but I always hold out hope for some form of an afterlife, in some dimension, some universe, some time, somewhere. Best wishes. ] (]) 04:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Creation Seventh Day Adventist Edit == | |||
| == Always precious == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| ] | |||
| Eight years ago, ] were found precious. You will be remembered! --] (]) 21:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your absence is still felt== | |||
| Re: your message, the edits to the URLs on ] were intentional. According to the of the church, the previous URL is no longer in service. I replaced the dead links with the IP address provided in their announcement, which is functional. | |||
| ] | |||
| I've been thinking about you the last little while, Flye. A new friend here has a memoriam page for lost community members and it got me thinking of you and others I will always miss here in my own time remaining. Actually, she reminds me of you in the more general sense as well, now that I think about it; I think you would really liked her. I don't believe in an immaterial soul, other than in a metaphorical sense, so I'm not sure who I'm talking to. Myself, I guess. I just felt the need to say I miss you, and still can't help but think of you when working on certain things. I'll check in on some of your articles for you. '']]'' 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 02:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Devastated == | ||
| I took a break from editing in 2019 and I came back today. While I was gone, I thought many times about what a brave and strong editor you are, how Misplaced Pages is in safe hands as long as you keep watch, how you manage to dedicate so much of your time to ensuring Misplaced Pages stayed good, and how I would message you as soon as I come back. Now that I'm back 5 years later, I learn that not only are you retired, but that you passed away in 2021... | |||
| Before deleting a revision do you do any research or do you just assume what you know about the topic is correct? ] (]) 21:46, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I cannot describe my shock and pain. I wish you are not actually gone but just taking a break from Misplaced Pages. I wish you are still here through some other account. Anything but the news of your passing. We had a somewhat antagonistic start but I soon came to realize that you were actually trying to help. You were so smart, so caring, so helpful, so dedicated, so courageous, full of integrity. You were my go-to person if I ever needed help regarding Misplaced Pages policies or anything really. You were my mentor. I will miss you so much Flyer. I am still shocked. I wish I had known you more, though that would have made news of your passing even more painful. I feel like I've lost a friend and want to mourn. | |||
| :{{User|Nipplewoman}}, as you know, I noted in and edit that you should explain how ] is incorrect. | |||
| Thank you for your matchless contributions to Misplaced Pages, your guidance, your help and the kindness you showed to me. I will always remember you. My heartfelt condolences to your family. - ] (]) 14:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four ]s (~), like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. I signed your username for you above. And if you start a section on my or any other Misplaced Pages talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per ]. As you can see, I moved your post to the correct spot and gave your post a heading. ] (]) 22:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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 | Respectful comments of remembrance may be left below. |
Regarding this? Looking at all of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine/Evidence and knowing I'd be subjected to similar, and how certain editors go all out to prove false narratives, I cannot deal with that. Like some editors (including Girth Summit) know, I am dealing with COVID issues in the family. That is not something I just made up to get out of going through this "must take down Flyer" thing. It was happening before that, and it's gotten worse. I have a brother (not the one who edits here) in intensive care and a sister who was just put on a ventilator. I already lost an uncle to the virus. And editing here is supposed to help me take my mind off of stuff like that, not be subjected to as much stress and time-wasting that an ArbCom case entails.
I have said goodbye to editors here already. And I will say this before I leave: The argument from a few at the request page that ANI failed an editor because the admins are biased in my favor? Are we to honestly believe that I control all of these well-respected admins? They have their own minds and have disagreed with me before. They saw what they saw. So for this case to be accepted? It feels like this case would have been accepted regardless of the many requests to decline it. This case isn't about the private evidence -- material that I didn't write but am accused of writing. Material that was not passed on to me for scrutiny. None of the Arbs accepted the case on the basis of that "evidence", which speaks to just how immaterial it is. I acknowledge that I haven't always been the most civil. Editors on the case page noted that I work in areas where tempers flare. That's true. Editors accusing me of having been uncivil to them have also been uncivil to me at one point or another, often in the very discussions they've linked to. Beeblebrox stated, "Arbcom is not a court, it's purpose is to stop current and sustained disruption of the project, not to punish users for things they may have done in the past." But that is exactly what the request points to -- a free-for-all for anyone who has ever been in a heated dispute with me, with the added bonus of portraying my behavior as bullying, transphobic, or something else that it isn't. Consensus did not conclude that I was hounding or bullying anyone. Adhering to our policies and guidelines and expecting others to do the same is not bullying or being discriminatory. Criticisms are not automatically personal attacks. And commentary about what took place here at my own talk page can be seen here with my "18:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)" post (scroll on down).
The claim that I went after anyone at WP:Med and made participation at WT:Med talk pages unbearable is false. For example, Sandy and I got along just fine for years until the Medicine ArbCom case and I continued to support Doc James -- our most influential and respected medical editor, who has been the face of WP:Med for years. These "just fine" interactions include stuff like this, this, this, this, this, this, and the view that I am a fine editor for new medical editors to work with. I was never a problem at WP:Med. I have a long history there. And the only supposed instance of me being problematic there is the claim that I was driving away a newcomer. As documented there with evidence, I criticized a newcomer for the same exact thing another editor criticized others for when it comes to adding quality sources. Like me, Girth saw no merit to the incivility claims leveled against me in that discussion. At the moment, I can only recall one other heated discussion I was involved in at WP:Med. And that is this one about the Battered woman syndrome article. But it was just that -- a heated discussion. It was not me being a problem. And, indeed, because of my arguments there and at the article's talk page, the article was moved to its proper name and appropriately expanded. Disagreements over MOS:MED, such as this one in a collapsed box which started off by me suggesting that we discuss significant changes before we make them (and then getting the reply I did), this one where I questioned removing guidance and pinged previously involved editors who helped craft the current MOS:MED guideline (which is perfectly fine per WP:APPNOTE), and challenging what were the "golden years" of WP:Med, does not equate to me being disruptive.
That's all I have say. This is not how I wanted to leave Misplaced Pages. But with my own declining health, it was only a matter of time anyway. Take care.
Flowers for Flyer
| “ |
Nor shall death brag thou wander'st in his shade, |
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| — William Shakespeare, Sonnet 18 | ||
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Goodbye
- Not what I wanted to wake up to. You take care of yourself; you and your families health is much more important than any drama that happens here. It has been a pleasure working with you and watching you work. Misplaced Pages has just lost one of their best editors. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the project over the years. You will be missed. AIRcorn (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, this truly sucks. Maybe after your health issues are resolved, and the drama dies down, you can come back. That will always be my hope. Take care, happy holidays, and best to you. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I am very sad to see you go. After losing editors like Doc James, and now you, how many highly valuable users must this ArbCom chase off the site? I think the essay about the problem of WP:SEALIONs aptly describes the situation:
As a result of the arbitration committee's failure to deal with these issues, the committee has effectively abdicated the responsibility for ensuring neutrality, verifiability, and other content standards to a few users...who patrol these articles and attempt to keep them free of disruption. These users are generally very knowledgeable about the subject and committed to Misplaced Pages's policies on proper sourcing and appropriate weight. Unfortunately, they tend to burn out....The patient ones tend to go more quietly. They become disillusioned by the never-ending problems and the lack of support from the Misplaced Pages community, and stop editing on these topics or quit the site entirely.
That is what happened today - even though many more in the community do support you, as you saw. I also would have had plenty of diffs presented about how those few disgruntled users ganging up on you and pinging each other are in fact the problem. And as for how you are with newbies, the only reason I became a regular editor is because you were kind to me and I saw from your example that improving Misplaced Pages really was possible. Thank you for your many years of service and hundreds of thousands of edits. The topic of human sexuality, among many others, have benefited greatly. You should take great pride in all you've accomplished over the years. I hope you enjoy your retirement to the fullest degree possible. I also wish the best for you and your family regarding health and the other issues of life. The rest of us will undoubtedly step up our work to ensure continued quality in these areas. I hold out hope that one day you will choose to come back. If so, you will be warmly welcomed. Kind regards, Crossroads 18:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC) - (edit conflict) I echo the comments made by Aircorn and Crossroads. I have worked with you on a few different articles and you have been extremely helpful and pleasant to contribute with. I wish you all of the best with your off-wiki situation and hope to see you back in the future. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I likewise echo the above sentiments. Thanks to you, I have learned so much about what it takes to improve as an editor and make productive contributions. I think your absence from Misplaced Pages will be a huge loss as I find your work on articles and your dedication to this site invaluable. This situation really sucks. You've been a guide for me on what a good, even-minded, well-sourced, and thoughtful contributions to a wiki looks like and I so appreciate all of the advice and guidance you have given me. I really hope you decide to come back one day. I am so sorry to hear about the health issues occurring with you and in your family. I will keep thinking of you and I wish only good things for you, Flyer. Anatashala (talk) 20:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Desiderata--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- If this retirment is permanent, then I'll deeply miss you. Best wishes to you and your family either way. The sooner your health improves, the better. I know from experience how it can be very frustrating when things go badly on Misplaced Pages. Sometimes we just need to temporarily step away from it all before spending time on the site is enjoyable again. Hopefully you return at some point. No matter what follows in your future, know that you won't be forgotten. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry to hear about your retirement and your health issues, Flyer. The door is always open to you should you choose to return to Misplaced Pages in the future. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I miss you already. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- At least the legacy of your 14 years of labour here will be improving the world's understanding for many decades to come. I'll say prayers for the health of yourself and your family. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Very sorry to hear the terrible health news. Please take care, best wishes, and thanks for all your great work. Johnuniq (talk) 09:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- This news is just absolutely devastating. I have many women's articles on my radar but through the years as I've seen controversies come and go I've always known that we had the capable hands of Flyer to keep and restore our women-related articles to reflect a modern-day acceptance of the rights, the accomplishments, the history, etc. of women. Flyer easily falls into the top three leading editors when it comes to women. I pray that once Flyer's health problems are resolved she will return. Flyer is our very own Gloria, Florence, Rosie, Sojourner, Malala, and so many others who have had the persistence and the courage to speak out for women. Gandydancer (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC) (PS, just so it's understood, like the rest of us Flyer does not walk on water! Re the MED sourcing disagreement, IMO Colin and Waid were right.) Gandydancer (talk) 16:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- You were one of the first editors I remember encountering on here when I first started editing many moons ago, and I've always been blown away by the heart and dedication you've poured into your contributions. If there's one thing I've always known about you, it's that your motives were always clear and never hidden. Though we may have disagreed at times, I never doubted that you always had WP's best interests at heart. No single editor can fill the gaping hole left behind in the wake of your departure. You will be sorely missed. May God bless you and your family during these difficult times. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- This makes me so sad. You are one of our finest and our best. I can't bring myself to write that in the past tense. Take good care of yourself, Flyer, and come back to us whenever you're ready. As the Quakers say, I will hold you and your family in the Light. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 01:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Very sad to see WP lose a fine editor who contributed with a lot of heart and soul. I read enough of the discussion to come to the conclusion that you were railroaded. Best wishes and hope you return. Carlstak (talk) 02:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I feel terrible reading about your experiences with the virus, it's nightmarish that this is happening to anyone, let alone someone so recognizable to many people. We did not interact a lot but I've seen you tons of times and I'm well aware that you've done great work for Misplaced Pages. I'm also saddened to learn that you have had to deal with ANI issues and conflicts here on the site. Misplaced Pages will be worse off with you gone, but the most important thing is for you to make sure to do what's best for you and those close to you.★Trekker (talk) 05:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I am very disappointed to see you leave, Flyer. As more editors like you leave the project Wikpedia will slide further into advocacy. Unfortunately ArbCom doesn't seem to appreciate that by accepting the case they would be perpetuating the harassment you are experiencing. Being put on trial and having to defend yourself is a stressful experience, and nobody should be put through that unless there is clearly a problem. I think they have been too quick in accepting the case. ArbCom should review the three ANI cases first and only take on the case if they feel that those cases arrived at the incorrect conclusions. I hope your family's fortunes pick up over Christmas. Betty Logan (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- We were never buddies, Flyer, but I greatly admire and respect the enormous responsibility you took over having our most contested and vandalized gender & sexuality articles on your Watchlist. An ArbCom case doesn't inevitably lead to sanctions but being a participant in a case proceeding can be taxing. Having lost my last aunt & uncle to COVID-19 this spring, my thoughts are with your family. Take a break from Misplaced Pages if this is stressful and tend to more important matters. But come back when this plague has lifted because the project needs you. Liz 03:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Flyer, it definitely sounds like you need and deserve a break from the grind here. I hope you are able to put the Arbcom nastiness and drama from your mind and focus on the real life things that really matter. I hope your family members get better and that you stay safe. Hang in there. ~Awilley (talk) 07:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Best wishes for your family's COVID troubles, I'm so sorry to hear it. I hope taking a break will help with the stress. —valereee (talk) 15:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Best wishes for you and your family. You have been failed by two communities now, and that sucks, but I hope that both improve and we'll see you around again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:42, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- So very sad to see you go. I hope you and your family are well. This website has treated you terribly and over the years I've been witness to the number of times, by virtue of the areas you edit in, you have been harrassed or wikistalked, and it's very sad to see this final straw. I don't think we deserve you back; what you do deserve is a wonderful time in the real world :). Yours --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have not interacted with you, but I have seen your name here and there, and I am extremely disappointed to see another valued and principled editor leave the project, especially in this nasty/drama way. I admire greatly editors who roll their sleeves up and do the difficult work for the good of the encyclopedia. I hope that you are able to take a break, look after your family and come back to us when all is well again. Family comes first. RandomGnome (talk) 07:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sure I don't have to tell how personally grieved I would be if you left and didn't return. And also what a blow it would be the Misplaced Pages, and by extension the world. I'm sorry all this happened. I hope you change your mind. Herostratus (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Flyer. We interacted a few times over the years. I have not been very active on Misplaced Pages during the past couple of years due to multiple issues, but I have always admired your work and dedication to improve Misplaced Pages. Best wishes to you and your family. Mistercontributer (talk) 03:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I only just noticed your retirement now. Thank you for all that you've done for Misplaced Pages and although this is a well deserved break I hope that you eventually consider editing again in better circumstances. Farewell, —PaleoNeonate – 17:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Too young to go. I don't know you personally, but I saw you many times at the Anatomy project talk page. You always tried to brush-up difficult pages (e.g. sex organs). I respect your efforts. Thank you and rest in peace. (or edit more at WikiHeaven!) --Was a bee (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I can't believe this happened. I know we didn't interact much, but thank you for being with us on Misplaced Pages all these years. Goodbye friend. My condolences to the friends and family of Flyer22 Frozen. Jerm (talk) 20:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
| In recognition of all you have done. Crossroads 18:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC) |
Farewell barnstar
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The Working Woman's Barnstar |
| For all of your dedication to helping improve this site for over a decade, I feel you deserve some props. I feel very grateful for how we crossed paths and know I'm far from the only one who values your contributions. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC) |
Comment
Wiki MUST change the arbitration system. Maybe do it in private in the beginning and then open it up for comment before decision making. Sorry for my outburst on your talk page. I am just a simple editor. Eschoryii (talk) 04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Best wishes
Flyer22, I'm not at all caught up (like maybe 1 percent), but I still wanted to first and foremost extend my best wishes to you and your family and to your collective health.
- A candle among roses
- In the evening garden
- A shooting star
- A flash of the moon's gown
- A spark of the sun's hem
- In syncopated eclipse
- Emissary of day
- In night's dark kingdom
- Unseen at home
- Lucid in exile
- Opposite of the moth
- The firefly is light
All the best, El_C 08:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think the light is gone out. Doug Weller talk 11:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sad news indeed. She did so much amazing work here. Created high quality and needed content in a very difficult topic area. She will be impossible to replace and will be much missed by many. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar |
| In recognition of all the years you spent making Misplaced Pages better than you found it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC) |
child protection
Thank you , user with significant knowledge in the social/scientific/psychological/sexual fields, for quality unbiased articles on these topics, such as Clitoris and Todd Manning, for explaining edit summaries, for your firm stance on child protection, for your collection of vandalism moments, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
You are recipient no. 982 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing to add but that you were unique - dealing bravely with topics others would not dare to touch - and you will be missed and remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in Peace
Reading of your passing is sad news. You did so much to improve and protect the project. You will be sadly missed here and, I feel sure, in real life. My deepest condolences to your family and friends. MarnetteD|Talk 15:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I am truly sadden by this news. Fly was my friend! I first met her back in 2014, while working on Todd Manning, a soap opera article we brought to FA--at the time, the sixth FA-Class soap opera article and the third FA about a soap character. Fly was a polarizing figure here on WP (you either loved her or well, didn't love her), but she always treated me with respect and kindness. We supported each other and were always there for each other. I was always appalled about how factions of WP treated her. She was a dedicated and passionate editor. I loved her and will miss her, and WP (and the world) will be a much, much sadder place without her. My condolences to her family. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Sad cat
—PaleoNeonate – 16:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
Goodbye Flyer22. You will be missed. :( Steve M (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I miss you, Flyer. My deepest condolences to your family for the loss of someone who was clearly a very special and caring person. I made a donation today to Oxfam Canada to honour you and to give myself hope that the work you have done for women and children will somehow continue. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't recall working on any specific article with Flyer (I'm more a friend of a friend) - but I always respected what they had to say, and I CERTAINLY appreciate all the hard work they put in here at Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry to see this, and I offer my condolences to friends and family of someone who I viewed as a very good person. Rest well Flyer. — Ched (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
| Ave Maria |
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Ave Maria, gratia plena, Maria, gratia plena, Maria, gratia plena, Ave, Ave, Dominus, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus, Et benedictus fructus ventris (tui), Ventris tui, Jesus. Ave Maria!
Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, Ora, ora pro nobis; Ora, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, Nunc et in hora mortis, In hora mortis nostrae. In hora, hora mortis nostrae, In hora mortis nostrae. Ave Maria! |
- no words to express--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- You will be missed my friend. Love. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank-you, Flyer
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| Flyer, so much of it is thanks to you that I was able to develop and improve as an editor over the years -- not simply on Misplaced Pages but on other wikis as well, in addition to many collaborative efforts building shared documents. When I returned to Misplaced Pages and asked you a question on your talk page, you were so kind, welcoming, and helpful, and I felt 100% better about my return. I can't tell you how much I appreciated your guidance on Misplaced Pages matters. Over the years, whenever I saw you were involved with an article on Misplaced Pages, I felt that much more secure with the veracity and quality of that article. Your passing represents an immeasurable loss for Misplaced Pages as well as all the editors you've guided and helped in their development. Anatashala (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) |
I'm stunned by this news. Flyer was a boon to Misplaced Pages. Though I'm a seasonal editor at best, I am a frequent lurker -- referencing Misplaced Pages daily, using it as a place to begin my research using its sources. Many of those sources were vetted by Flyer as the articles I'd often reference were ones Flyer was involved with. Over the past seven years, I saw the dedication, effort, and devotion she put into improving and maintaining the qualities of these articles. It's nearly impossible for me to imagine a Misplaced Pages without her and I can only imagine the loss felt by her family and friends. It's even a struggle for myself to come to terms with and I didn't even know her name. I am so sorry for the devastating loss of Flyer experienced by her family and friends, beyond deeply saddened that Flyer passed, and I feel this is a major loss for Misplaced Pages.
Thank-you, Flyer, for your guidance and your part in helping me develop as an editor and collaborator. I miss you so much on this site, you were a gift. Anatashala (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
We will miss you, Flyer22
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This is indeed a very sad day. I first crossed paths with Flyer22 nearly 10 years ago. My first thought was, "this guy must be an F-22 pilot". We've never had much interaction, because when she crossed my watchlist it was usually because of her relentless work in patrolling new edits. But I have had a chance to observe over the years, and see first hand some of what she doesdid through my activities at BLPN.
At Misplaced Pages, we're all supposed to be equal ... in theory. But, as Yogi Berra said, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is."
I've always been proud to be a part of Misplaced Pages. It's always been gratifying, if not somewhat humbling, to be able to work among so many people who are so incredibly intelligent and have such high integrity. But, like all society, there are always certain individuals who stand out among the crowd. People who you can look up to. Polyamorph. Materialscientist. SlimVirgin. Doc James up there. Seeing what Flyer22 has done for Misplaced Pages over the years, I have always held her in the highest esteem. She too has stood out among the crowd, and her loss is a devastating blow, not just to Misplaced Pages, but to her family and to the world. We will miss you Flyer22, and may whatever god, chi, or spirit you believe in take you and carry you. There are many here who will mourn this day for some time.
The force will be with you. Always. Zaereth (talk) 18:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Devastated
I cannot believe you're gone, Flyer22 Frozen. When I glanced at your talk page a few minutes ago, I thought you'd retired and I was going to leave a goodbye and thank you note to you, with a wish that you'd return to us one day.
But then I read further, and I'm devastated. :'( I remember our interactions from years ago, keeping BLPs free from bad content and being kind to one another. I am utterly saddened that those days are gone for good.
Thank you so much for everything you did. Best wishes to your family. Acalamari 19:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
I've very sorry to have you leave us Springee (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Sad
So sorry to hear the news, greatest sympathies to Flyer22's family and friends. Although I had my disagreement's with Flyer22, I recognised she did important work especially in the area of WP:BLP which greatly improved and protected Misplaced Pages. Nil Einne (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
In memory
- Thanks for many contributions. Rest in peace and condolences to family and friends. Alanscottwalker (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm shocked and saddened to hear this news. Flyer22 is an editor I've been familiar with for as long as I can remember in my Misplaced Pages experience, and literally the first editor I remember thinking about as a highly respectable and valuable contributor with a lot to teach others. Our interactions probably do not number that many, but I've seen a great number of their edits and talk page messages. Whether I agreed with her or not, I always saw Flyer22 as an intelligent and good faith contributor whose opinion I gave significant weight. There's no denying that she had a great many Misplaced Pages-specific skills, whether an eye for socks or an eye for finding good sources. She will be sorely missed; her edits have made a great impact on this encyclopedia both to us as editors and to our worldwide audience, whether they know it or not. — Bilorv (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is devastating news. Flyer's work was first class and of immense benefit to Misplaced Pages. She will be greatly missed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- So very sad to hear. You are irreplaceable, Flyer22 Frozen. We will always love you. Carlstak (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- RIP ... I'll always remember your diligence, tenacity, and passion for the project. Misplaced Pages is certainly a better place thanks to the contributions you made to the site. Graham87 08:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to add my condolences to Flyer22's family. I've spent a lot of time reviewing Flyer's contributions recently and would like to take this moment to say how much of an asset she was to the community. She will be missed. Worm(talk) 08:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am very sad to learn of Flyer's passing. I did not know Flyer personally but we had some interactions on Misplaced Pages. Flyer dedicated so much of her time and energy researching and improving Misplaced Pages. We should all follow her example. Her contributions will last a very long time. This will be her legacy. Sincere condolences to her family and friends and loved ones. Mistercontributer (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just now learning of this. Rest in peace, Flyer. Your work here is exceptional. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Shocked and saddened. She was one of the editors I looked up to. My condolences to her family and friends. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
My condolences to your family and friends. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Same, please take care, family and friends. starship.paint (exalt) 04:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Awful.
This is awful, just awful. I don't ever recall feeling this shocked, upset, and sad about the notice of someone passing that I never met in real life. I'm really very, very upset. She leaves a hole that can never be filled. My condolences to Halo Jerk1; please pass on my thoughts to other members of your family, and let them know there are people who really cared and felt her presence, though in my case, never knew her personally. She will be deeply missed. If there is one Misplaced Pages editor I would have liked to meet in real life, and get to know, it was she; now I never shall. I am so sad. Mathglot (talk) 21:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Mathglot, I feel this. I cried when I saw this. For about a hour. It hits you hard because many of us are faceless, pseudonymous comrades who carry the torch of the wiki. May you be granted peace in your grief. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 02:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I cried when I saw the news this morning, and I've been processing it all day. The loss is just immense. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not over this loss. I think about this void, my loss, Misplaced Pages's loss, every time I'm at an article which Flyer would have improved, or commented on. Trying to channel her, to figure out what she might have said or done; but I'm not up to that task, she was unique. Not over this. Mathglot (talk) 18:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- This sucks. I'm p.o.'d. Mathglot (talk) 01:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Still upset. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
For those interested
User:Flyer22 Frozen/Editing manual left after death, written in 2013... I've protected Flyer's subpages, which included some drafts; if you want them unportected so you can work on them just ask. Moneytrees🏝️ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
My Benediction For You
Peace to you and to your family. May your memory and contributions forever bless our project. You were are loved. I know I'll miss you. May we meet again on some wiki project in the next life. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
May you rest peacefully in eternity
- I was concerned to see that you had retired, and shocked to learn that you had passed. We never had the opportunity to interact, but I feel the loss of a good editor, nonetheless. My condolences to your survivors, all those you loved and befriended. Rest in peace, Flyer22. Atsme 💬 📧 22:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. Miniapolis 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sad news. Your work in Misplaced Pages will be appreciate for the eternity. Rest in peace Flyer. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. Miniapolis 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm so sad to learn of this
I've crossed paths with Flyer so many times over the years, and I'm absolutely shocked and devastated to learn of her death. She made so many outstanding contributions to the project, and she will be much missed, as an editor and as a person. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Very upset to hear of this ...
I've been thinking on this all day, and really can't put it well into words. I'm one of the few folks who knows Flyer22's name, and have spoken with her and her brother more than once. Behind the scenes, she did immense work on identifying banned editors - many pro-pedo ones - and this annoyed some of those folks, to the point that she was getting credible death threats and rape threats. I remember all that. Yet, she put her head down and kept working on the project, and did so for many years. I have a huge amount of respect for her and what she achieved, though we didn't always agree either. I am shocked and saddened that she is gone - I really don't know what to say - Alison 01:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wow. I never knew that part of the story, although it was apparent something had happened back then, I just never knew the details. That's pretty scary, but it explains a lot. I've had the privilege of talking with her on occasion, and offered her advice she didn't always agree with. I don't know her real name and never really gave it a thought. She'll always be Flyer22 to me.
- I'm like Mathglot. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, over someone I've never really met. She was a shining star, and I'm just thinking ... hoping, that maybe she's up there somewhere, and maybe the sky won't be a little less bright tonight. Zaereth (talk) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- A great loss to Misplaced Pages. Condolences to her family and many friends, on and off wiki. For many years, she watched over important articles in sexuality and gender topics and that made her a target for some of the worst harassment on ENWP. Yet, she kept showing up in the true spirit of Wikipedians who believe in our mission. She will be greatly missed. Sydney Poore/FloNightUser talk:FloNight 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Dreadful shock
Woke up today and saw this fell news. Daresay I'm at a loss for words, had difficulty believing my eyes at first. I've crossed paths with Flyer22 in countervandalism and counter-LTA activities often, and it to me seems a disastrous loss to the community as a whole. Flyer22 (as Alison mentioned above) did valuable work for the encyclopedia. Now we have only a hollow that can never be filled. Rest in peace, Flyer22. We'll never forget your contributions. My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to Flyer's family. JavaHurricane 02:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
The North remembers
Just going over our old GoT debates, good times. If you happen to somehow read this, thanks for that. Sorry and good luck to friends and family reading this; from what she taught me at Talk:The Bells (Game of Thrones)/Archive 1#"Mixed" Reviews? (twelve walls of text down), she seemed proud to be part of her pack. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Seven years on, I still think "however" is too often thoughtlessly misused, however. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace... this is devastating.
I never crossed paths with Flyer22 (only seen her in early January when I found them reverting some vandalism on articles under WPTC banner back in December), but seeing this news pretty much devastated me. Flyer22's death is devastating, devastating loss for Misplaced Pages. I don't have more words about this, but I am hoping that there is some editor that can rise up to fill the void. MarioJump83! 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Devastating is exactly the right word. BD2412 T 16:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Miss you
I am devastated. You did so much good for me, for other editors, for Misplaced Pages, and yes, for the whole world. This site is the most used reference work there is, and you put so much work into making sure that so many topics, including especially important topics relating to women and children, were well covered. And you gave of yourself and persevered for so long in ensuring they continued to be of increasing quality. Your work has a ripple effect reaching ever outward, educating countless readers and from there, others. Your legacy lives forever.
Rest in peace, Flyer.
Crossroads 06:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Vale
I'm really saddened to hear of this loss; for Flyer22's family, friends and for our community. Flyer22 was always an impassioned Wikipedian and I have worked with her for the better part of a decade now. She was, I believe, a fundamentally decent person and I hope her real life was less troubled than her Misplaced Pages existance where, like a bright warm light at night, she continually attracted editors with an unhealthy attention towards her. I'm so sad to here she has passed away of health issues and wish I could have got to meet her in real life to say hello and share a cup of tea. You'll be greatly missed, Flyer22. May you rest in peace. Vale. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
A sadness and a hope
I am deeply saddened at the loss of Flyer. I feel that the work she did on Clitoris and Vagina is the among the very best on Misplaced Pages. Thousands of people every day are coming to Misplaced Pages to find out more about these two deeply significant parts to the human body, and Flyer produced two well researched and well written, balanced, neutral, and informative articles that allow them to discover more. They are two shining examples of what Misplaced Pages is really good at, and they are Flyer's legacy. I had always hoped to work again with Flyer on another article or two of their quality. Sadly this will now not happen.
However, I am encouraged by her brother's comments in his email that Flyer's younger sister will probably be opening a Misplaced Pages account in the near future. I do hope that the sister will be welcomed, and will be encouraged to stay and pick up on Flyer's work. If she does open an account I pledge myself to offering her as much support, encouragement, protection, and advice as she needs to get settled. As part of that commitment, my first piece of advice is that the sister does not pick over the bones of any current or past disputes. Halo suggests she may do that, but that would not be a good idea. If the sister has any of the research skills, intelligence, determination, and courage of her sister, she will be a great asset to Misplaced Pages and may come close to equalling (or even exceeding) Flyer's achievements.
Goodbye Flyer and welcome (hopefully) to Flyer's sister. SilkTork (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate your adding kind words. I want to clarify that Halo has since sent another email making clear that the only reason the younger sister would have joined is to confirm what happened and that's it. He said that won't be happening now as it doesn't seem needed. Crossroads 17:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
I've had many positive interactions with Flyer over the past 15 years, and have seen the considerable good work she has done here and have only good memories. I will miss her. Paul August ☎ 13:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am going to miss Flyer. She’s one of the bravest editors I have ever seen. Heart of gold and a spine of steel. A good human being. Montanabw 14:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am terribly sorry to hear this bad news. Flyer was a great editor and I had enormous respect for her work. She will be missed. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- One of the best of the best. I worked with Flyer on several woman-related articles but watched over many more that she watched over. It was so reassuring to know that when she was involved in the editing women would be fairly treated--not by putting men down but by careful research that backed her positions. We were so lucky to have her and she will be sadly missed. Gandydancer (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I want to add my voice to all of those who are going to miss Flyer. One of my earliest editing memories was being reverted by Flyer; the civil, well-reasoned and instructive discussion we had afterwards motivated me to read sources, engage on talk pages, and made me more interested in getting involved in the project. she was inspirational, and I will miss her greatly. My deepest condolences to her family. GirthSummit (blether) 18:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Flyer's retirement news was already saddening, so to now find out she has died is even worse. May this valued editor rest in peace. Misplaced Pages won't be the same without her! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Requiescat in pace. Flyer was a mainstay of Misplaced Pages's women-related articles. Her knowledge and care will be tremendously missed. My condolences to her family and loved ones. gnu57 07:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Vaya con Dios, Flyer22
I’m so sorry to hear about your passing. Thanks for everything you’ve done as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Rest In Peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
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Farewell, Flyer. You made a difference. You did well. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Flyer and I sometimes communicated off Misplaced Pages so I considered her more than a collaborator. I was aware that some of her family members had contracted Covid, which partly contributed to her decision to not engage with Arb Com. I know that the Covid issues occurred before the business with Arb-Com so it was never an excuse, I genuinely believe she didn't feel up to dealing with it. I was already saddened by her decision to leave Misplaced Pages and I am genuinely upset at her passing. RIP Flyer, and I very much hope the rest of her family can come through this. Betty Logan (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Respect
I can't remember where or when we crossed paths, but I remember you. RIP. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
A message
I never interacted with you on Misplaced Pages, but I am firm that you do amazing contributions. I cannot praise you in a way so grandeur, but I can just hope you rest there in peace. This will not be your last contribution. GeraldWL 04:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Goodbye
I had contact with Flyer a fairly large number of times over the years. She quite frequently emailed me about various matters. I had a very high regard for her. She was conscientious and determined to do what she believed was best for Misplaced Pages, persisting in doing so even when others made it difficult for her to do so. She was in many ways very perceptive, and could often see through clouds of nonsense to the truth underneath when many others couldn't. Over the course of time I came to think of her as a friend, even though I never met her in the flesh, and knew nothing about her life away from Misplaced Pages. I shall miss her. JBW (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the support with LGBT+ and medicine
Thanks for the regular constructive criticism in medicine and LGBT content. I appreciated having you as a colleague in both places as hardly anyone else navigates both of those busy spaces. You pushed for quality in a friendly way and were a model of good collaboration for giving original writing and ideas when asking for improvement. I respect that when you asked for favors, you yourself came proactively presenting a favor yourself.
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Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
RIP
Shocked and saddened to hear this, Flyer was a fantastic editor and they will be missed a lot, Thank you for each and every contribution you've made here Flyer, Rest in Peace. my sincere condolences to friends and family. –Davey2010 00:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
A great loss to the community and our mission
I wish that I'd had some knowledge that Flyer was unwell: I don't know whether she made this common knowledge or played the fact close to her vest, but despite her being one of the editors I most frequently ran into incidentally out in the wild of our talk pages (due to our shared interest in human nature as explored by hard science), I had no idea she was ill and apparently had been for some time. I think she and I probably had similar perspectives on matters slightly more often than not, but by the same token, we shared a work space often enough to experience many situations in which we disagreed and it was in these moments that she most impressed me with the qualities of a true Wikipedian--openness and a commitment to respectful discourse in pursuit of understanding. Oh, make no mistake: she was prepared to stick to her guns and hold a line against what she felt was a misrepresentation of the truth of an issue. But she tempered that drive and doggedness with wit, warmth, and perspective. She was truly the type of person who represents the best in this community, and whom we can point to as proof that our great task summons together people of real character and strength. I am not a spiritualist in any sense, so I cannot invoke the words of her name (the one I knew her best by) in a way that might otherwise be a comfort in this moment, to say that she has taken flight and will be reborn in a heavenly sense. But I can say with no less certainty and meaning that her works will indeed take flight, and her spirit will be reborn every day in a world and in the people made noticeably better for her presence.
Flyer, I'm sorry that I did not get to tell you any of this directly--looking back, I'm not sure I ever even seized an opportunity to say to you expressly that you were my friend. I will have to try to learn from that lesson and be more careful to take the time to say such things here. I can only say now that this is merely a part of what I have learned from you and that you have my enduring gratitude. Snow 00:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Beautiful words. Carlstak (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
I am greatly saddened by this news and extend my deepest sympathies to all those who cared for Flyer22. Memory eternal! -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Goodbye.
User_talk:Bob_K31416/Archive_2010#Star_Wars_mention_in_Avatar Bob K31416 (talk) 11:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Sad to hear you're gone
Flyer, you and I had our differences, but I've always admired your devotion to this encyclopedia and your earnest efforts to make it better. You did a lot of good around here. My heart skipped a beat when I saw that you'd passed. No matter how many times we butted heads, this is not news I ever hoped to hear. Been thinking of you. Armadillopteryx 01:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
Thank you for working with me for so many years. I'm extremely saddened to learn that you are gone. You will be missed. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
I am at a loss for what to say as this is honestly the first time I've truly felt a loss from the death on an online acquaintance/colleague. We crossed paths and conversed many times () given our overlapping interests. May the memory of Flyer be a blessing to all who knew her. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace shining star
What sad news to hear that Flyer22 has passed on. Wherever you may be, surrounded by scintillating starlight and mysterious stardust, your contributions to this world were truly stellar. Netherzone (talk) 19:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Taken too soon...
You will be missed, Flyer. Thank you for leaving the memory of your legacy with us on Misplaced Pages. Huggums537 (talk) 08:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
I only just noticed this and can't think of what else to say. Flyer22 always had the encyclopedia's best interests at heart and contributed enormously to an area of Misplaced Pages I know very little about and did it fighting off conflicts that I think would have caused many others to retire much sooner instead of sticking it out. Please give my condolences to her family and friends. Ritchie333 16:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
I thank Flyer22 for all the work she has done. I send my condolences to her family and friends. Rest in peace. You will be remembered. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 16:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am very late in noticing this but I am saddened by Flyer's death and wish to add my tribute and condolences. She was an astute and prolific contributor. I had only passing interactions with her but all were positive. She took the time to thank me a number of times for edits and I always appreciated her acknowledgements. That personal touch was a wonderful addition to all her substantive contributions. Donner60 (talk) 08:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Frozen
I dedicate this image to your memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- The icicles look like frozen musical notes, an étude in ice—a fitting tribute. Carlstak (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
I know I'm late to the funeral, but I was browsing an IP's TP when I saw a warning of yours. Seeing it, I miss you. Rest in peace. Firestar464 (talk) 03:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
Extending my condolences to Flyer22 and her family (I only just found out about her passing). Sad to hear of the death of another young Wikipedian. SamHolt6 (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Have only just found out about this, also. Really sad to hear, I’m at a complete loss for words. Rest in peace, Flyer22. Patient Zero 04:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for everything you did
I haven't been active much and only realised the bad news a few days ago. You were a great contributor to this project and will be sorely missed. My condolences. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
R.I.P.
I haven't been that active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I was shocked to learn of Flyer22's passing while sorting through my watchlist. As someone who has worked and interacted with Flyer in film-related articles, I can attest that she was a productive and proficient member of this encyclopedia and her contributions have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. On a more personal note, I only wish her family the best.
Rest in peace, Flyer. Darkknight2149 04:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
A loss for the project
I didn't know Flyer at all (just found out about this now) but I certainly noticed the prolific amount of work she put into WP. My condolences to her family. - wolf 02:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Miss you
I just do. Rest in peace. Firestar464 (talk) 11:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Rest In Peace
I’ve only just seen the awful news of your passing. This makes me regretful that our interactions were made antagonistic from my end. I feel I robbed myself of a better camaraderie with a dedicated and earnest editor such as yourself. Wherever you may be now, I wish you peace. Rusted AutoParts 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Deep and dreamless slumber
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LessHeard vanU (talk) 09:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
A message for you
Thank you for all your service. You will be remembered. Firestar464 (talk) 11:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Precious and remembered
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It hurts to know you are gone
Flyer, you are missed, remembered, and mourned. Misplaced Pages is a darker place without you. AlexEng 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
A candle for those we lost
Zaereth (talk) 09:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
So sorry
I only just now heard this sad news. Flyer22 was one of the good ones - I'm very sorry to hear of her illness and death. Tvoz/talk 01:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to hear
I have been away from Misplaced Pages and I return to see the sad passing of not only Flyer22 but SarahSV who commented on the discussion about Flyer's obituary just months before her own death. I am generally a skeptic but I always hold out hope for some form of an afterlife, in some dimension, some universe, some time, somewhere. Best wishes. —DIYeditor (talk) 04:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Always precious
Eight years ago, you were found precious. You will be remembered! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Your absence is still felt
I've been thinking about you the last little while, Flye. A new friend here has a memoriam page for lost community members and it got me thinking of you and others I will always miss here in my own time remaining. Actually, she reminds me of you in the more general sense as well, now that I think about it; I think you would really liked her. I don't believe in an immaterial soul, other than in a metaphorical sense, so I'm not sure who I'm talking to. Myself, I guess. I just felt the need to say I miss you, and still can't help but think of you when working on certain things. I'll check in on some of your articles for you. SnowRise 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Devastated
I took a break from editing in 2019 and I came back today. While I was gone, I thought many times about what a brave and strong editor you are, how Misplaced Pages is in safe hands as long as you keep watch, how you manage to dedicate so much of your time to ensuring Misplaced Pages stayed good, and how I would message you as soon as I come back. Now that I'm back 5 years later, I learn that not only are you retired, but that you passed away in 2021...
I cannot describe my shock and pain. I wish you are not actually gone but just taking a break from Misplaced Pages. I wish you are still here through some other account. Anything but the news of your passing. We had a somewhat antagonistic start but I soon came to realize that you were actually trying to help. You were so smart, so caring, so helpful, so dedicated, so courageous, full of integrity. You were my go-to person if I ever needed help regarding Misplaced Pages policies or anything really. You were my mentor. I will miss you so much Flyer. I am still shocked. I wish I had known you more, though that would have made news of your passing even more painful. I feel like I've lost a friend and want to mourn.
Thank you for your matchless contributions to Misplaced Pages, your guidance, your help and the kindness you showed to me. I will always remember you. My heartfelt condolences to your family. - Human10.0 (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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