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== Jakub Szymański ==
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Dear Ignorant DeCausa - please check article now. And You before next time will put forward objections, first You learn Polish language and check all matter more profoundly, and not only on surfaces of mind and imagination.
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== Qalbiyya Tribe ==

Samuel Lyde is not a reliable man, and his statement about the Qalbiyya tribe is very defaming.
In the article on Samuel Lyde you can read the following: "Lyde developed a deranged mental state and had delusions that he was John the Baptist, Jesus Christ or God himself."

I believe it is not necessary to spread the slandering and wrong words about a tribe of another religion by a deranged missionary.

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== ANI discussion that might be of interest to you ==

You might be interested in ]. ] (]) 19:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
== December 2013 ==

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Persecution of Alawites

The reason of the persecution of Alawites by Sunni rulers is because Alawites and Shi'ites in general do historically not accept the caliphate of the Sunni rulers. If it would be because of the reasons you mentioned, then what about all the other Shi'ite groups who have been persecuted by Sunni rulers in the area of Syria since the 7th century?!

And why do you want to put something in head of the page, that is not being confirmed by Alawite religious authorities themselves? Do you want to spread Fitna?
== January 2014 ==

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==Jonathan King et al.==
I see our friend has been editing at ] as well. Some ] and ] issues there as well, I fear. ] (]) 12:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:Some repair work needed. ] (]) 17:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::Done, but you may want to check it. ] (]) 22:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Yep, done - let's see if it sticks. Btw, ] was nicely done. Overdue becoming a blue link! ] (]) 22:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Anything I did wrong on langham please let me know, because I didnt do anything wrong. DeCausa thanks for all your effort (and I really mean that), nice to find one honest editor on here, all I want is for the articles to be true, but they are allowed to be taken over by sympathisers and god help you if you ask for them to be fixed!] (]) 19:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule, it's a mistake to edit articles that one feels strongly about. It's almost impossible to set aside personal feelings and write objectively. It's also a more pleasant experience writing when you're not heavily invested in a particular point of view. I edit articles because I enjoy researching them and I enjoy writing, often about subjects I had no prior interest in. I normally avoid any subject I feel strongly about in the Real World. I don't want to criticize because I know you've been making an effort to edit within policy, but you give the impression that you're here to get a particular point of view across. ] (]) 23:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Copy of my answer to your message on Jonathan King's talk page..... I see you've reversed all my edits so I assume you and the other editors are not interested in my contributions. I have no problem with that. The graduation date is clearly in Music Week (which was then Record Retailer) and all the other music papers; I was looking at Record Mirror which has a picture caption which says on Friday 23rd June 1967 "Jonathan King BA attends an awards ceremony at Cambridge University where he receives his honours degree in English - then rushes to Southampton to co-compere As You Like It" whatever that might be. Sorry if that doesn't meet your rules or agenda. ] (]) 07:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Fair points mate, and good advice re looking for articles to research, think I will give that a go! Never thought of looing into an article I have no knowledge of, but think it will be fun, thanks.] (]) 10:40, 17 January 2014 (UTC) PS by the way only just learnt you can click the sign thing and it does it for you, been cutting and pasting up to now!

You said you thought I was a sock of Dave006. I'm not but several editors have suggested I change my name. Can you tell me how I do it?] (]) 08:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
:No, I didn't say that and I don't think that. Your user name breaches[REDACTED] user name policy and should be changed. How to do that is here: ]. At the same time you need to change your behaviour, stop your trolling and edit constructively. ] (]) 10:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

== Constituent country ==

Hi, I've reverted your revert. Please don't revert just because you don't like the smell of something. Add citation needed tags or develop articles. Wholesale reverts don't do the project any good. --] (]) 00:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
:], you must be mixing me up with someone else. I couldn't give a stuff how it smells. This was and I reverted you, because you gave no citation for a change in the balance of how that issue was treated. Also it wasn't a "wholesale revert", just a small part of your last edits. The ] talk page has discussed this at length before and the no. 10 citation has been used as the basis for saying that "4 countries" is the mainstream view with "3 countries" as the alternative. This was reflected in this article. Your edit changed the balance, and you did so without citation. Personally, I couldn't give a stuff either way (I find that whole debate meaningless) but it was an entirely appropriate revert to your poor edit - and CMD in his subsequent revert of you agreed with that. Acting like a prima donna because you get reverted doesn't "do the project any good". ] (]) 08:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

::My apologies! My mistake! For some reason I thought you had reverted the whole lot! I cannot explain now why it looked like that to me. That's what I get for editing late at night!
::I'll strike my comments on the talk page too. --] (]) 08:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

::Looked on the talk, I don't see any specific comment I can strike out. Apologies again! God, I feel so thick! Apologies, apologies, apologies ... --] (]) 08:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

::I've . So sorry again! --] (]) 08:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

:::No problem! Apologies too for my overly touchy response (discovered a roof leak this morning so not in the best of moods...!) ] (]) 09:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

::::Ah no, I feel like such a stuff-tard (to borrow your phrase)! Sorry to hear about your roof. I have a cat that may have eaten rat poison (we'll know if she lives), if it makes you feel any better <tt>:-)</tt>
::::Sorry again. Lesson learned to look (twice) before I leap. --] (]) 09:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

== Abdul Aziz ibn Abdullah Al Shaykh ==
Your claim is invalid. His official biography is here on a Saudi Arabian government website. Try this website from the government of Saudi Arabia: http://alifta.com/Fatawa/MoftyDetails.aspx?languagename=en&ID=8 ] (]) 11:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

== benefits street ==

sorry to ask mate, but can you please look at the article. Tried to redo and thought it was much better and now an editor is just changing everything back to the wrong quotes from sources etc. I have no agenda and have asked him to discuss it re talk, but no joy, can you help?] (]) 21:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
:I don't know enough about the subject to make any comment after a quick look at the article. However, the other editor is very experienced and put up a template saying he was doing an overhaul of the article. I would let him finish, then once he's done take up any issues with him on the talk page. He's got 40k+ edits behind him. It's unlikely he's doing anything that doesn't follow Misplaced Pages policies. By the way, you said on the talk page of the article that you asked an admin/senior editor to look at it. I hope you don't mean me because I'm neither of those. ] (]) 22:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

== your help please ==

Really sorry to bother you. set up my first page, https://en.wikipedia.org/Andrew_Brooke
And was hoping that you could check it please as it now has a warning on it that it may cause libel? Thanks] (]) 18:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
: I'll take a look, but won't be able to until later on this evening. ] (]) 19:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:Just had a quick look: if by the warning you mean the notice on the talk page, that's just the standard reminder that's put on all living people articles. Eg JK has the same one. But two things: if you're going to create an article on a living person, pleaee make sure you've read the relevant policy which is ]. It' enforced strictly. Secondly Imbd is not a good source. As the article is because it's a BLP and with only one poor source it could essily get deleted. You need to get some proper sources in it quickly - newspaper articles etc. ] (]) 20:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

== Hi==

We or i have confused us... we have now a literal translation ascribed to Seamus Heaney on ]. Either is fine by me a literal translation or poetic Seamus Heaney one. What now is a mix a literal translation with Seamus Heaney above it ... when it isnt his. His starts "Often". Thanks ] (]) 21:32, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:], I don't mind either but now I'm confused. I thought the sequence was: You put in the Heaney version, Anthony Appleyard changed it to his, you changed it back but then a minute later reverted (by accident I assumed) to Anthony's version, I then (I thought) put it back to what you had originally. Which bit of that have I got wrong? ] (]) 21:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry ] yes it is right now ... I got confused. Having the Seamus Heaney version is more poetic than literal, but makes the point about early kingship. ] (]) 07:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

== Crimean Wars ==

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It is sad that you didn’t learn about the conflict from the beginning. It was namely the fraudulent closure that prompted an edit warring in {{pagelinks|political status of Crimea}} with the known result. But your wording might suggest that you unilaterally support Dennis Brown and Dpmuk, that unlikely is true. Can you change your post to explicate clearly that you do not support Dpmuk’s revision? ] (]) 09:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:I don't care about either point of view. This isn't important and you need to drop the stick. ] (]) 09:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:: Do you see the edit history? There are no less that three users who deem that “political status of Crimea” should be an article. Can you show me at least three users who explicitly stated that it shouldn’t? ] (]) 10:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm not interested, and will not be arguing with you about it. The points on both sides have been debated at multiple locations. It's not THAT important. Drop the stick. ] (]) 10:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thanks ], but I really don't think I deserve it! I chickened out of joining in the article talk page! ] (]) 21:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::I disagree. Everyone is 'sick up and fed' with the Eastern European articles and, as a matter of self preservation (and preservation of sanity), no one with experience wanted to weigh in. You were the only one to pick up on the thread on Jimbo's talk page (Sameboat and I had run out of steam on the actual talk page) and provide policy-based advice. It also pulled in a couple of other Jimbo talk watchers who chimed in later with a couple of hit and run observations. The barnstar sticks, so you're just going to have to wear it. Cheers! --] (]) 21:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

==Image replacement==
I am extremely sorry for what I have done on article Islam to replace the image through dishonest edit summary. I promise that I will never do it again. I have created a sub-section on talk page to have consensus.please share you point of view.

Dear fellow I recently created an article Ostia(sponges). I initially believed that this term is only used for describing pores on a ]'s body, (phylum ]). But after a massive internet search, I have realized that the openings in the lateral hearts of cockroaches are also commonly called ostia. I have mentioned this on article. Hence the name of article should be ostia(biology) rather then ostia(sponges). Please change the name of this article since I don't know how to do this. Don't change it to simply otsia because the term ostia is also user as the name of some settlements. I will be very thankfull.] (]) 14:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

== Bank notes ==

I'd personally suggest going ahead with requesting a 'renewal' of the Misplaced Pages permission anyway as holding measure, even if it's the WMF (or uploaders) that should technically be asking, with the response being forwarded to OTRS. ] (]) 16:25, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:From the AN thread it looks as though Cloudbound has applied for a renewal. Just as well, as I wasn't sure how the BoE would react to a renewal request from someone other than the original applicant. ] (]) 18:33, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
==Your revert on Islam==
Dear fellow, I always considred you as a sincere[REDACTED] user who always treats other users alike, but your recent edit on Islam suggests that you have some particular bias for me. You were right that I have removed the info without concensus but the user Nien has already told me this and he has done so without reverting my edit but by leaving a message on my talk page in a good manner. I have created a new section on the talk page and provided some sources. But your recent revert has really disturbed me. It shows your real bias for particular user. It was mine and user: peaceworld's matter. You should not have interfered. If you had any problem then you should have discussed on talk page. Looks like you think that every edit that I make is bad or non neutral.] (]) 16:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

:.], yes, your edits do often have a significant problem: when you are reverted you need to stop at that point, take it to the talk page and wait until you have persuaded others. "You were right that I have removed the info without concensus" Yes !!!! So the article shouldn't be left in a state which does not have consensus support. That's why I reverted you. I do not how many times you have to be told this. ] (]) 16:41, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
:But dear fellow it really hurts me when I always find you on the opposite side of my opinions. You are always against my arguments and views. I am not like those radical Muslims who come and remove the images without opinions of others and continue to do so until they are blocked. I always do it under the wikipedia's policy guidelines. But you continued to argue for a nonsense image just because you have a particular bias for me.] (]) 16:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
::"It was mine and user: peaceworld's matter." This is incorrect. ''Any'' interested editor can jump in and participate. Misplaced Pages is not built around one-on-one discussions. --] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

::], Do I have a "bias" against you? The only things I know about you are your edits on Misplaced Pages. What I have seen includes significant failures to comply with key policies such as ] and key expressions of Wkipipedia norms such as ] as well as edit-warring and deceptive edit summaries to disguise edits that are contrary to policy. I do have a "bias" against your editing practices and I also foresee that you will end up being indefinitely blocked from Misplaced Pages unless you change your ways. I asked you on your talk page whether you had read ], ] and ] but you haven't answered. What is your answer? ] (]) 17:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
;OK, I admit that I am the person who is on the wrong side. But I will try my best to make my reputation better in your eyes.] (]) 07:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
::It's not about making you better in my eyes. It's about following the rules that we all have to follow, otherwise Misplaced Pages just doesn't work. Have you read the three links above? ] (]) 07:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

== WEASEL ==

Nobody could blame you for not liking KING but WEASEL words and sneers and use of derogatory language is not appreciated on Misplaced Pages. Numerous wrong facts, avoiding mentioning hits on different labels, why bother? If you simply want to be WEASEL, why edit? Wiki is not for personal agendas. You are probably one of his victims. Fair enough but take your grudge elsewhere and stop chipping away at the truth. Facts are clearly ascertainable in various sources. Example - check charts for labels with his hits whilst he was "working for Decca". Easy to verify.] (]) 08:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
: You seem keen to remove this comment on your editing POV and use of derogatory words and incorrect facts on the KING article. Your bias and agenda are clear for all to read. Why worry about someone pointing it out? If you're not going to edit correctly and fairly, either don't do it or be prepared for independent observers to shine a light on your weasel words. Others may agree with your decisions on which hits are minor and which companies he worked for and I'm sure you spend hours correcting other articles according to your personal preferences on Arabs and Jews and the Crimea and sponges. It appears several other Misplaced Pages contributors are starting to take notice of your weasel sneering. ] (]) 16:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
::You are quite wrong. I have nothing against you. Even the "shameless self publicist" aspect while can be mildly irritating is more entertaining than anything else. There are certain themes/issues which are clearly dear to your heařt. However, unless they are supported by reliable sources I'm just not willing to take your word for it. I've said to you before the best way for you to handle the article is for you to open an acknowledged account and argue your points openly on the talk page. I actually think in the long run you'll end up with an article much closer to the one you want that way. ] (]) 20:23, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
:::You seem to think I'm someone I'm not but that's a fair assumption to an opposing view. I'm assuming you have an axe to weald as either a victim or lawyer. Simply asking editors to print facts and not use weasel words that go one way or another. Nobody makes great or bad records except to the ears of individuals. Hits are not major or minor in fact. They don't even depend on sales these days. A million downloads can be a "hit" without selling a copy.] (]) 08:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
::::I know exactly who you are. There has only ever been one person making the points you make. It's as good as fingerprints! You've had a long experience of Misplaced Pages - doing it the way you've done it hasn't got you what you want for the article on a sustained basis has it? Doing what I suggest is your best chance of achieving that. Why not give it a try. Nothing to lose by doing it. ] (]) 09:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::I agree there is nothing to be gained either from you thinking I am somebody else nor my assumption that you are a lawyer with an agenda. Rather than play the "block this user" or "revert all contrary changes" or "guess who this is" games, how about seriously answering whether a Misplaced Pages Editor should be using subjective terms like "minor" hits and whether he or she should be veering an article one way rather than the other? What matters is not who we are but what we do. Misplaced Pages should be fair, balanced and even, not loaded one side or the other. ] (]) 12:20, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Very funny. You have an agenda. And who you are matters because of ] and ]. But, so you know, you've got it wrong if you think Misplaced Pages's objective is to be "balanced and even, not loaded one side or the other". That's not it at all. The objective is to reflect the balance of opinion as found in reliable sources. That is a very different thing. We don't sit in objective judgment of what the sources say. If the reliable sources are "loaded on one side" we must reflect that. Oh, and if you are so concerned with the Misplaced Pages way of doing things can you explain to me how your actions over the last two days comply with ]? ] (]) 19:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

== Feedback on a new beta feature called Hovercards ==

Hi DeCausa, We are collecting feedback for a new beta feature called 'Hovercards' - https://www.mediawiki.org/Beta_Features/Hovercards. Beta features can be turned on using the tab in the top right. It would be great if you could turn the feature on and give us your feedback on the discussion page. Thanks ] (]) 10:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

==Thanks for the Clarification==
I was the one who was being a derp-face regarding Brittonic language, thanks for setting me straight.
--] (]) 14:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:No problem] (]) 19:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== Motivating reverts ==

I don't mind reverts, but I don't really understand why you're doing it so summarily. Referring to ] is fine, if you actually motivate your reverts. Please use the article talk to explain why you're talking the term "Swedish Empire" so literally, even when the article itself explains that it's a translation of ''stormaktstiden''. This is absolutely not how it's described in Swedish historiography.

] <sup>]</sup> 20:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:I have. You'll end up at AN3 if you carry on like that. ] (]) 20:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

::Uhm, try not to threaten 3RR in disputes you're a party to. And I think you're trying to associate me with the previous attempts to move the article in a way that is not relevant. This is about descriptions and historical accuracy, not formal ].
::] <sup>]</sup> 20:30, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== Celtic ==

<s>Please read some of the guidlines I'm citing.</s> We don't want trees duplicated on various articles, because they drift apart and we end up contradicting ourselves. <s>We also shouldn't contradict ourselves w the infoboxes etc. You characterize anything you don't like as "]", which suggests that you don't understand what that is either. It would also help if you read ], since you're edit-warring over that without understanding what it is. I have been modifying the classifications to fit Routledge, which ''Glottolog'' judges to be a RS for such matters.</s> — ] (]) 19:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hang on I haven't said anything is vandalism. What are you talking about? This should be on one of the article talk pages so others can see it. What you have written here isn't enough to make ajudgment kn what you are doing. ] (]) 19:24, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I mixed you up with another editor, who insists Continental Celtic is a valid family and that any statement to the contrary is "vandalism". My bad. Explanation on the talk page. — ] (]) 19:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

==I was only trying to agree with you... ==
Hi. I tried to agree with you about the piped usernames on ], but got an edit conflict with you removing your post…! ;-) What policy is it, then? ] &#124; ] 20:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC).
:Well, it's the guideline ], and then when I looked there was already a thread on exactly that (]) which was active in January and February and meandered for a while and got nowhere...but seemed to go off in tangential bi-lateral disputes between editors taking chunks out of each other about other issues. So I got disheartened and thought I would just go on grumbling to myself about it! If you felt like reactivating it somewhere I'd join in...] (]) 20:50, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

==Move review notification==
Because you participated in the most recent discussion regarding the proposed move of ], you are hereby notified per ] that the administrative determination of consensus from that discussion is being challenged at ]. Please feel free to comment there. Cheers! ] ] 19:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hi, I got your ping on the move review page...I'm just curious, what was it that I said that led you to believe that the subject's preference played a part in my decision? <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 19:32, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::, where you seem to attach importance to her decisions on her choice of name. But, as I said, maybe I misinterpreted or, over interpreted. But if that's not what you meant, why mentioned that as examples of being "ill-informed" in the context of the move discussion. ] (]) 21:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about ascribing weight to her current preference (stated via Jimbo), which was not the case for me. I gave little weight to that at all, and I remember there being participants saying that her preference was HC, not HRC, which I didn't give much weight to either. I brought that up as an example of people not knowing the history behind her name...that she kept her family name even after marriage, something that is rather rare in my experience. (Note, I fall into the 20-something-year-old demographic I mentioned in the post, so I'm not old enough to have learned that by reading the news or listening to the radio or whatever people did to stay informed in the 1980s, and I had never read the article or done any research on her myself.) So long story short, it wasn't a statement about her preference on Misplaced Pages article titles, but that she was "Hillary Rodham" for the first 7 or so years of her marriage to Bill...an interesting bit of history that I didn't know when I came into the discussion. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 22:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Ah so, you were giving it, in general terms, as an interesting piece of information you learned, but nothing to do with the reasoning for decision? ] (]) 05:42, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::::: Sort of. An interesting piece of information that the average Joe probably doesn't know... Not something that influenced the close, but that might have influenced voters. (The point I wanted to illustrate was that larger samples aren't necessarily always better samples.) <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 22:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Got it. Thanks. Will change my vote to "endorse". ] (]) 05:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks...I wasn't asking you to change your vote, but I did want to clear up the misunderstanding. I appreciated your comments both ways. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 16:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

== Everyone's Gone to the Moon ==
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Why ?
Can other speak up or you are the only one who can speak and every one must keep quit and just listen to you ?
I have added a section to Mahdi article and you keep deleting it. My text has citation to the most reputable book of the context. If you don't like it you have to leave it . You don't have the right to delete it. If you keep doing that I report you vandalism to wikipedia.

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What an interesting question which made me re-look at . I would have thought date of first publication, rather than the date of translation is most relevant as it gives the context for the work. I would have thought that readers might be surprised with medieval text published in 2014 as a new book would appear. I looked at ] which, although it specifies how to represent the English version of foreign language titles, doesn't specify anything about dates of translation. ] talks about the use of a parameter <nowiki>|origyear= </nowiki> which may be the way to go - there is also a mention in the next para about translations. I may try using this (for the first time) on ] if I get time. It may be an issue to raise at ] for expert opinion. &mdash; ] <sup>]</sup> 19:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:I've used <nowiki>|origyear= </nowiki>. What do you think?&mdash; ] <sup>]</sup> 19:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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No, I actually wasn't being sarcastic or ironic at all, I find the loss of an editor with 186,000 edits on the board, a majority to mainspace, shocking. Be sure to present that link as evidence if this mess ends up at ArbCom. ] (]) 14:02, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

== Muhammad Ali of Egypt ==

This issue was mentioned on my talk page. I see that FPS has given Biar122 a DS alert. I've added that to the IP's talk page with a statement that the IP is Biar122 (clearly). I am not taking part in the discussion as I want to stay uninvolved. I note there are 3 editors reverting him. Did you see that the IP has responded to a 2013 discussion on the talk page? ] (]) 06:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. I've posted a reply to KB on his talk and to the user on the article talk page. ] (]) 09:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

—== you have mistaken ==

you undid my revision by writing "doesn't make sense". You were totally wrong, it makes sense, like . You undid my revision only because i am a new user. However even i was wrong because it is not a madhab (but it made sense), and i discussed it in the talk page.
You should not undo new users and ip's contributions, because it is ip biting. Thanks. ] (]) 21:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:"is a maddhab movement" doesn't make sense. (A) a maddhab isn't a movement it's a school of thought or jurisprudence (B) it's not a word in the English language, and shouldn't be used without a translation or at a minimum a wikilink. ] (]) 21:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

You are still talking like an ignorant, and you have not understood anything yet.
1* regardind this stupid comment "it's not a word in the English language, and shouldn't be used without a translation or at a minimum a wikilink." there is written "madhab" even if it is not an english language
2* regardind this "is a maddhab movement", only here you are right, i forgot to remove "movement", but i think you could do so
But finally i understood that salafi is not really a madhab (although several people think it is).
I did not it again because my mistake was, for example, "] dos Santos Aveiro, OIH (Portuguese pronunciation: ; born 5 February 1985), known as Cristiano Ronaldo, is a Portuguese singer" but actually he is a footballer.
I hope you understood. Thank you. ] (]) 20:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:No I understand what you've written. It doesn't make sense. ] (]) 20:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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:When you come off your block, take it to the article talk page. ] (]) 15:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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When I have time I will present arguments on the talk page; I hope to get this corrected. However, Rob984's initial edit ignored the concerns and evidence of other contributors, was purely based on the users own speculation, and ignored sourced content on related pages concerning the history of the flag of England. (Anyway, I realise you may have no inherent interest in the dispute).

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== Pakistani pilot ==

Hi. Do you think that your concerning a Pakistani pilot, is according to Misplaced Pages rules?
<p>- Please bear in mind that the source is clearly not a ] ] (]) 18:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
:Did you read and understand my edit summary? I don't think you did. It can't be according to that site, because that site just republishes preexisting material. It was not first published on that site. If you doubt that it is an RS, your edit which I reverted makes no sense. If it is not an RS, then the "according to" is not the answer. On tge face of it, it appears to be a convincing account. What's the issue? I think generally you should stop making ] and concentrate on informing people <u> neutrally</u>. You're obviously very emotionally invested in Israel-related topics. I recommend you edit areas where you are not so emotiinally involved and come back to this after you have edited articles where you "do not care". That's why I edit this article: I really don't have strong views about the Arab-Israeli conflict. It puts me in a good frame (= NPOV) of mind when I come to articles I do care about. ] (]) 19:06, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

::-A In your edit summary, it is assumed the me (or other readers) are familiar with this internet site and know that it is a reliable source. There should not be such an assumption and the reader should be presented with a ] based text. Otherwise, we should adapt the ] suggestion to use ]. Even if "Al Arabia" published this story, does it mean that it is true? I am not sure. I always try to use respectable ], especially since this is a contentious article.
::- This point has nothing to do with being pro or against Israel. There were Israeli aircraft that were shot down by Arab pilots, so what does it matter whether it was a Pakistani or Jordanian pilot that shot the Israeli aircraft?
::-B Concerning yours : "''You're obviously very emotionally invested in Israel-related topics"''. I am an Israeli, living in Israel, and it clearly written in my user page. Still, in my opinion I am neutral and accept that Israel wrong doing should be exposed. But this article is heavily biased against Israel, so each neutral editor should modify and balance it. The problem is mainly the false Arab claim that Israel wanted this war in order to conquer more territories from the neighboring Arab state. Since the facts are clearly contradicting this view, the pro Arab editors are deleting / minimizing such facts. I searched for and used Arab sources and Shlaim (who is usually somehow against Israel) but it does not impress those editors. All historians or encyclopedias includes those facts (to my knowledge), but Misplaced Pages is different. Why? ] (]) 19:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Nowhere in the article does it say that Israel wanted the war to conquer more territories. I repeat, you should edit articles that have nothing to do with this or anything else you care about, and come back to this article in a few months after doing that. ] (]) 20:05, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
::::-I will appreciate it if you refer to point A, B (see above)
::::- I have not said that the Arab claim is in the article.
::::- It does not make sense to accept this biased article and stop editing it, while there is no explanation why undisputed facts are censored out, although supported by (probably all) respected historians. ] (]) 20:37, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::OK:
::::::A- It's a binary choice: either it comes out because it is not RS or it stays in because it is RS. The edit you made is not within policy because you are making it on the ground it is not RS but leaving it in the article nevertheless. I have no idea why you think it is not RS because you have not explained that. I see no reason to doubt it is RS. Is it because you are prejudiced against any Arab source?
::::::B- this article isn't heavily biased against Israel. You see imagined bias in it. I've pointed out to you that the article does not say that Israel wanted the war to conquer more territories, and in response you said that you have not claimed that it is. Yet, I pointed it out because you said "But this article is heavily biased against Israel, so each neutral editor should modify and balance it. The problem is mainly the false Arab claim that Israel wanted this war in order to conquer more territories from the neighboring Arab state. Since the facts are clearly contradicting this view, the pro Arab editors are deleting / minimizing such facts". So, you did claim it, and I refuted that claim and now you say you never claimed it.
::::::Finally, you call this article "controversial". No it isn't. If you are Arab or Israeli, may be it is controversial. But if you are not (like me) it is not controversial at all. This is what you don't seem to understand. You are completely blinkered by the desire to prove your point. Those of us who are truly neutral have no point to prove and it's not the least bit controversial. This us why you should not edit this or similar articles and instead go and work on the ] or ]. ] (]) 22:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::::- Yours: "''It's a binary choice"'' . No, it is not a binary choice, as said previously: ''Otherwise, we should adapt the ] suggestion to use ]''.

:::::::- Yours: "I have no idea why you think it is not RS" . We should obey the rules. ] : "''Misplaced Pages articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources"''. ]: "''A secondary source provides an author's own thinking based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an even"''. Hence this source is not a secondary source. It might be a Thirtiary source but that does not matter. Moreover, even if it is proven to be sourced from "Al Arabia", I am not sure that it is a ]. Isn't it better to try to use respectable historians as sources?
:::::::- yours: ''the article does not say that Israel wanted the war to conquer more territories''. Let's make it simple. This is the Arab claim, and it does not matter whether it is written in the article. I write it as a background to the problem of a biased article, but if do not like it, just ignore it. The matter is that the article is biased, and not the background for this bias.
:::::::-'''C''' yours:''this article isn't heavily biased against Israel. You see imagined bias in it.'' Let us watch it:
:::::::*The article hides and minimizes Nasser steps that raised the tension and later forced Israel into a war.
:::::::* The article, ignores Israel very moderate reactions, the Israeli efforts to avoid the war with Egypt (mainly because of U.S heavy pressure), the repeated warning to Jordan to avoid entering the war (even after Jordan already attackd Israel).
:::::::* Instead of presenting a proper background, the article misleads the casual reader to understand that that the war happened as a contuation of some hardly related events, and anyway, Israel attacked first. ( so Israel is to be blamed.)
:::::::- How come, that the Six day War article is hiding undisputed facts, while (probably all) other historians and encyclopedias versions include the facts? ] (]) 06:23, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm afraid this exchange is a waste of time per ]. You're typing words but you're not answering me. ] (]) 06:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

::::::::::- I have tried to fully reply. What is the question that I supposedly have not answered?
::::::::::- Will you please refer to point C, and especially the last question: ''How come, that the Six day War article is hiding undisputed facts, while (probably all) other historians and encyclopedias versions include the facts?'' ] (]) 11:24, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::: Although you claim to be neutral, you are not explaining why you prefer that the ] article should stay inaccurate and vague. I am not talking about conclusions or interpretation but on undisputed and important facts, that are included in other books' and encyclopedias' articles about the war. The result is that this article has no proper lead section unlike other Misplaced Pages war articles ( including featured articles), which is not a good sign. ] (]) 14:28, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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:I have one possible concern - there seems to be a great reliance on one particular source. Be prepared in case others raise this later. ] (]) 11:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm aware of that - and working to find others that are as useful. This is the most detailed account in English I've found, most of the others are in Italian. Most other English accounts are briefer but I think I can substitute some of the citations with those. Thabnks. ] (]) 11:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Italian sources can be used. It's never a good idea to exclusively use things written in Foreign, but if they are valid sources, they're OK in with the English ones. ] (]) 11:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

*I was actually just coming here to ask if you'd be open to renaming the article "Death of Benito Mussolini", in line with other similar articles. ] ] 19:45, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:Well, there's already a move request on the article talk page which looks like it will be a ] in favour of that article title. So it doesn't really matter what I think. ] (]) 19:59, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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== How is a lunar chart for August 26, 1978 "just plain wrong"? ==

] (]) 23:18, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:Read the Talk page archives and you'll find out. ] (]) 23:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Your denials explain nothing. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:My above response doesn't contain a denial of anything. I just directed yiu to where you will find the answer to the qyestion you posed, if you take the trouble to read the relevant threads where this was previously discussed extensively. ] (]) 23:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

All you said in your comments on the JP I section of Prophecy of the Popes page is that you categorically reject any and all sources about the moon's phase on August 26, 1978 because they aren't "on point". That's not an argument or a reason. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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==Hi Decausa==

I researched and added the new table in "Mughal emperors", you just reverted, please explain me. Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Two problems with your additions: (1) The article is entitled ], the last of whom was Bahadur Shah Zafar. You have extended it to his subsequent descendants who you say were "Later Chief Representatives of Mughal Dynasty". They were not Mughal Emperors and are outside the scope of the article. (2) You have cited no sources so you have provided no evidence that these individuals were recognised by the GOI. Please read ]. ] (]) 23:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
::These are definitely chief representatives therefore I created a new table, you will need to explore the website which I mentioned, I also saw the reference of this website in some other wiki articles. I will like to see that how you add all this information in the wikipedia, later on I can connect the keywords to relevant wiki article but rephrasing is something I can not do. Thanks] (]) 01:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Firstly, the article is about the Mughal Emperors, so it doesn't matter whether they are "chief reprsentatives". That's not what the article is about. Secondly, when you say "you will need to explore the website which I mentioned". What website? You didn't provide any citations. If you mean the website whose copyright you violated (http://www.royalark.net/) to create your three articles, you cannot use that website on Misplaced Pages. It is a self-published source and doesn't comply with our requirements: please read ] for more details. ] (]) 12:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== ] and their ancestors ==

Hi Decausa, I don't think I've had the pleasure before. Further to the above message, would you have a look at 3 articles created by {{User|Virtualmatrix333}}, all are copy-pasted directly from http://www.royalark.net/India4/delhi21.htm and you might be in a much better position than I to determine if they can be stubbed. Best, ] ] 23:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Sam Sailor}} Hi. No, I don't think they're worth stubbing: I don't think there's any notability there other than being descendants of the last Mughal emperor: ] would apply. It would need quite a bit of research to see if anything worthwhile can be said about them - the only thing the descendants are known for is drifting into obscurity! I see that two of the articles have already been deleted for the blatant COPYVIO and I've added a speedy tag to the third. ] (]) 12:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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== FitzJames Stuarts ==

DeCausa:
I am well and truly aware of the Duke of Alba's Iraujo ancestry. He uses the name Fitz-James Stuart, he is by blood a Fitzjames Stuart, as undoubted descendant of his mother,and so it seems bizarre to me to arbitrarily declare the the loine of the FitzJames has "ended". If you want to argue by some obscure legalism, take it to the talk page, dont just revert poor and incomplete and misleading genealogical assertions back into the article. Thanks!

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It is also well worth noting, sir,that wikipedia'sown article on the House of FitzJames lists the 19th Duke of Alba as current head.
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:Firstly, read ]. The way it works is that if you wish to change an article, and you are reverted it is ''you'' who should take it to the talk page. The article should not change until there is consensus support for the change. Secondly, the article is about the House of Stuart. The article states that the Royal House of Stuart is extinct, which is correct. As an additional piece of information, it notes the male line descendants of illegitimate sons of Stuart kings. Had they not been illegitimate they would have been members of the House of Stuart. The 19th Duke of Alba would not - if every descendant of a Stuart king in the female line was to be mentioned it would be a very long list. ] (]) 07:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

None dispute the extinction of the house of Stuart. I DO find it odd that Misplaced Pages's own page for the House of FitzJames ( a house the Duke of Alba evidently considers himself the continuation of, as he uses the name in preference to Iraujo)list the Duke as current head, but that is apparently not good enough for the Stuart page! It seems quite nitpicky to me, but that's the original sin of Misplaced Pages, sigh. I can live with your compromise wording. Although it's worth noting that the parent House of Stuart itself passed through the female line numerous times prior to extinction!
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:Actually, that's incorrect, it never passed through the female line except on one occassion: to ], and even then he was still a Stuart albeit a ]. ] (]) 20:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Pktlaurence}} I see that someone else has reverted you. What you should do now, if you want to pursue this, is open a thread on the article talk page and persude others to your view rather than reverting. If you revert again you could be seen as ] which is blockable. See ]. ] (]) 12:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


I see your point, but at least the concept of "Empire of Charles V" in history books and scolarship always includes the HRE; basically "empire" in this context does not necessarily mean direct rule or hereditary possession, just like the Holy Roman Empire is called an Empire even it lacks these aspects. If the term "Habsburg Empire" is problematic to have when including the HRE then I think it could be removed altogheter, in fact it's an anachronistic concept.
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Regarding the other point I think it's better to use the Burgundian terminology for a couple of reasons.
== Re: ] Calligraphic Representation in Infobox ==


1)Again it's the one used at the time, whereas the 'Habsburg Netherlands' terminology is anachronistic; during the reign of Charles V the Low Countries/Netherlands were called either just Low Countries/Netherlands or Burgundian ], lands, states, ] etc.
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2)It's the Burgundian terminology that encompassed a larger territory even beyond that area (such as Franche-Comté).] (]) 09:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
In addition, the vast majority of pages for prophets have their picture. I refer to ], ] and ]. This is despite that fact that, as with Muhammad, no one would know what these people looked like (and are definitely not likely to have been Caucasian).<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:12, 26 January 2015‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Firstly, if you want to continue this discussion it should take place on the article talk page, not here. Secondly, I don't agree that reliable sources treat the HRE states as part of his empire. They don't. Your two points on "Burgundian terminology" are also incorrect. What the territory was called at the time is neither here nor there. It's what contemporary scholarly sources call it that counts. Furthermore, Franche-Comté was not part of the Burgundian Netherlands and is irrelevant. the ] includes areas not within ] and it's simply incorrect to use the latter. ] (]) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


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The ] page you allude to in your edit does not depict the rendition you added to the ] article, it instead shows the proper Arms. Those fake/user rendition arms were added to the article by way of a redirect, ie that image was never purposefully added until now. If an image of the Arms are ''absolutely vital'' to a proper understanding of the topic, then the image of the ''actual'' arms (the same file as used in the Arms of Canada wiki page) should be added to the monarchy of Canada page, and not images of random user renditions. The use of random "renditions" to portray the actual arms are misleading best case, and insulting to Canadians in the worst. Thanks so much for your time and understanding! ] (]) 23:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
:"Monarchy of ..." articles always have the coat of arms in that position: it's part of the infobox template for monarchy articles. I don't see a difference between the version in the article and the version in the coat of arms article. If you do, I don't have a problem with you replacing it, but don't simply remove it. I didn't "add" it to the article, I undid your removal. Your explanation should be posted on the article talk page not here. ] (]) 07:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::The image in the infobox was 'Arms of Canada.svg'. That image was deleted and redirected to 'Arms of Canada rendtion.svg' from what I can tell. So, the actual arms used to be there, until the image was deleted as a copyright violation and redirected to this user-made interpretation. Since the admins have already said that the only place the Canadian coat of arms may be used is in the Canadian Coat of Arms article, we are not allowed to display that image in the Monarchy of Canada article because the Coat of Arms is not vital to understanding the content of the article. So I removed the coat of arms holders within the infobox to stop displaying a fake image that no one had ever even added. Just because that capability exists within a template, does not mean they have to be present or filled. Displaying the wrong symbols of state in state articles is insulting to people from that state, and underminds the encyclopedia's credibility as a source. So I removed an image that was incorrectly appearing due to a Coat of Arms of Canada.svg redirect, and you added the incorrect image (Coat of Arms rendition) itself (or you undid me, and then Miesienical added the image itself, either way). ] (]) 20:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Please stop posting here - keeping it to the article talk page is much more efficient. I've posted there to explain you have a misunderstanding about any particular rendering of a coat of arms. No version of CoA has an inherently better claim to being "correct" provided it is compliant with the blazon - which the disputed one in this case is. ] (]) 22:48, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::In Canadian law, there is only one Coat of Arms of the Queen of Canada, the one that the Queen personally signed as "approved". Anything else is an interpretation without any legal basis. ] (]) 02:49, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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I see your point, but at least the concept of "Empire of Charles V" in history books and scolarship always includes the HRE; basically "empire" in this context does not necessarily mean direct rule or hereditary possession, just like the Holy Roman Empire is called an Empire even it lacks these aspects. If the term "Habsburg Empire" is problematic to have when including the HRE then I think it could be removed altogheter, in fact it's an anachronistic concept.

Regarding the other point I think it's better to use the Burgundian terminology for a couple of reasons.

1)Again it's the one used at the time, whereas the 'Habsburg Netherlands' terminology is anachronistic; during the reign of Charles V the Low Countries/Netherlands were called either just Low Countries/Netherlands or Burgundian inheritance, lands, states, circle etc.

2)It's the Burgundian terminology that encompassed a larger territory even beyond that area (such as Franche-Comté).2A01:E11:17:40B0:F548:E24:DD85:70BE (talk) 09:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, if you want to continue this discussion it should take place on the article talk page, not here. Secondly, I don't agree that reliable sources treat the HRE states as part of his empire. They don't. Your two points on "Burgundian terminology" are also incorrect. What the territory was called at the time is neither here nor there. It's what contemporary scholarly sources call it that counts. Furthermore, Franche-Comté was not part of the Burgundian Netherlands and is irrelevant. the Habsburg Netherlands includes areas not within Burgundian Netherlands and it's simply incorrect to use the latter. DeCausa (talk) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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