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			== John Ortberg ==
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	* {{userlinks\|76.119.12.233}}
	* {{userlinks\|Craig mack378}}
	* {{userlinks\|Dilbert Grapes}}
	I just found this article and it seems to be almost entirely written by one user who only used the account to create the page. They did a really nice job too. Then another user who has the same first name as the page itself uploaded some pictures of the person who the page is supposedly about. As far as I know having two user accounts on Misplaced Pages and Wikicommons is not allowed but I also suspect it's not allowed to write an article about yourself (is the user "Craig mack378" is actually the same person as the person in the article). Anyway, this isn't my field of activity on Misplaced Pages so I simply wanted to bring this to the attention of more experienced editors who can decide if anything should be done about this. Thanks!] (]) 19:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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	Hi, this is Craig Walendziak -- I did not write the article, but I did add the pictures. I did so for the sake of completeness, I did not think this was a conflict of interest.
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			Users:
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			Timothydw82 is a ] which is used solely to promote, defend and censor valid information about ]. Timothydw82 admits to consulting with Ortberg about the article on ] and has also used that page to make disparaging comments about Ortberg's son, Daniel Lavery. This is both a serious COI and POV problem. He has been warned before by other editors. My most recent warning (for POV editing) was met with what seems to be feigned incomprehension and "Do you work for Misplaced Pages?". I think it is time to put an end to this farce. ] (]) 02:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

			:Thanks for sharing your concerns. I’d like to address the points you’ve raised to clarify any misunderstandings about my contributions and intentions.
	Thanks,
			:First, while my account may appear to have a narrow focus, my goal has always been to ensure that articles on Misplaced Pages adhere to its principles of neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sourcing. My edits related to John Ortberg and related topics are aimed at upholding these standards, not promoting or censoring information. If there are specific examples where you believe I’ve violated these principles, I welcome a constructive discussion to address them.
			:Second, regarding my consultation with John Ortberg: I acknowledge that I have communicated with him, as I’ve disclosed on my user talk page. However, my involvement has been strictly limited to ensuring that edits align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and reflect accurate information.
			:Third, concerning the comments about Daniel Lavery, I understand how sensitive these matters are. My intent was not to disparage anyone, and if any of my remarks were perceived as inappropriate, please bring them to my attention.
			:I'd also like to express my disappointment in your accusing me via direct message of treating you like "idiots". That felt like a curt, uncalled for accusation with little to no dialogue or support. You have not engaged in a discussion with me but clearly expressed your desire to see me blocked for little to no good reason I can discern.
			:Finally, regarding warnings from other editors: I value feedback and strive to learn from it. I am more than willing to engage in dialogue to resolve disputes and improve the quality of articles. If there are ongoing concerns about my edits, I encourage the use of formal dispute resolution processes so we can work collaboratively toward a solution. ] (]) 02:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Is that AI generated text? I ran it through a few different detectors and most thought that it was at least partially AI generated. ] (]) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Unbelievable. Indeffed. Thank you, ]. ] \| ] 20:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC).

			== Mirae Asset Park Hyeon Joo Foundation ==
	Craig <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:that was '''so obviously'' a piece of paid editing or completely conflicted piece of COI work. disgusting. look at this first draft by the article's creator: . how the hell do they know his birthday, place of birth, wife's name etc etc. Blech. ] (]) 00:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

	:OK, now we have what appears to be a sock who just reverted most of my changes. Added that account above, along with the other two and the IP address as well. ] (]) 02:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

	Hello, I am the drummer of Fear Tomorrow. Went to check Craig Mack's wiki page. Saw someone removed half the things? Craig Walendziak is a very popular musician in the hardcore scene. A lot of people know where Craig was born and his wife's name... I'm not sure why Jytdog is so confrontational? Thanks. ] (]) 02:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
	::You are the one being aggressive by editing and leaving no edit notes, and not talking. I am glad you finally started talking here. Thanks for doing that. And thank you for declaring your conflict of interest. Please read and follow ] - you should '''not''' directly edit the article of your band mate. And please read ] - things in articles, especially articles about living people, need to be based on published, reliable sources. Think about it -- I could say, just as easily as you, that I am the bass player for Fear Tomorrow and I know for a fact that Craig has a very tiny dick. Should that content be added to his article, on that basis? Really, think about it. ] (]) 02:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

	] Hey I'm new here. I was in a band with him 15 years ago... that has long since disbanded. You are being very aggressive. You took a well written article and deleted half the content and replaced it poorly written sentences. Your edits were heavy handed. Those albums WERE verified in the post. (Check the discography links). You removed his whole education history? That seems weird. Many other people have their education listed. I'm just curious why you were so aggressive. And are still being aggressive. I'm not trying to be confrontational - just keeping an open source article enjoyable and accurate. Do you do this to every article? ] (]) 03:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
	: hmm i know you are knew and i am trying to explain things clearly to you now. i explained every one of my edits. Most of them were removing unsourced content. again, i point you to ] and ]. Please read them. Those are both Misplaced Pages policies and you agree to follow them every time you edit Misplaced Pages - they are in the Terms of Use that you agree to, just by editing here. It is fine to be new, but you have to follow the rules here. Editing is a privilege (freely offered to all) but people who don't learn the rules and follow them get banned. that is just how[REDACTED] actually rolls. it is not a garbage dump where anybody can write anything -- content has to be sourced, especially in a biography article. ] (]) 09:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

	:: Neutral editor here. The fact that all of these were put up on February 6th is really not the way to go about it if you don't want to be labeled a sock. I understand that notability has different criteria in different categories, but I'm just not sold on the sources, which in turn, proves notability. So regardless of it seemingly being self-published, I don't see significant coverage in reliable sources. If you want to promote your brand, build a site.--] (]) 17:03, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Erik Eger Entertainment and THREEE editing on behalf of clients ==

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	At least two registered accounts and some IP addresses from the Los Angeles area have been used to add information to a suspiciously small group of biographies, all of the biographies connected by the fact that the persons are being managed by an agency called THREEE, formerly Erik Eger Entertainment. includes the following:
			* {{pagelinks\|Mirae Asset Park Hyeon Joo Foundation}}
	* {{la\|Rich Costey}}
			* {{pagelinks\|Park Hyeon-joo}}
	* {{la\|John Hill (record producer)}}
			Users:
	* {{la\|Michael Brauer}}
	* {{la\|~~Dave~~ ~~Sitek~~}}		* {{userlinks\|Channy Jung}}
	* {{la\|~~Kid Harpoon~~}}		* {{userlinks\|203.239.154.130}}
			* {{userlinks\|Chisu1020}}
	* {{la\|Dan Carey (record producer)}}
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	* {{la\|Chris Coady}}
			Suspected undisclosed COI editors. Single-purpose accounts used exclusively to edit on this person and his foundation. All of the edits are complimentary, and almost entirely unsourced.
	* {{la\|Al Shux}}
	* {{la\|Chris Carmouche}}
	* {{la\|Dana Parish}}
	* {{la\|Andrew Hollander}}
	* {{la\|Robin Hannibal}}

			I warned Channy Jung () and 203.239.154.130 () but both have continued editing ] and have ignored the warning (, ). Chisu1020 has been inactive for a while though, but same pattern of behavior.
	The following accounts and IPs are involved in promoting the above persons:
	* February 2011 to November 2014 – {{Checkuser\|Threee123}}
	* January 2012 to April 2013 – {{IPuser\|98.154.251.154}}
	* May 2012 to October 2013 – {{IPuser\|76.79.181.130}}
	* April 2013 – {{IPuser\|75.85.8.166}}
	* May 2013 – {{Checkuser\|Markthreee}}
	* June 2013 to October 2014 – {{IPuser\|75.85.6.103}}
	* October 2014 to February 2015 – {{IPuser\|172.249.26.201}}

	~~The~~ ~~account~~ ~~Markthree~~ ~~explicitly~~ ~~stated~~ ~~that~~ ~~"we~~ ~~manage~~ ~~kid~~ ~~harpoon".~~ ~~When~~ ~~Markthree~~ ~~created~~ the ~~Robin~~ ~~Hannibal biography in 2013, it appeared to be a copy/paste job complete with old maintenance templates from 2010 and 2012, probably following a successful PROD.~~		I recently rewrote ] entirely to get rid of the unsourced promotional-like writing . State of article before the rewrite: .

			Also worth noting the is similarly fluffy. I suspect Park/his foundation are watching these articles.
	The IP editors show their hand when they add an external link to THREEE or Erik Eger Entertainment:

			] (]) 05:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	Various NPOV violations have been made including peacock prose to show the person in a better light. This person or management team has also reverted other editors in the effort to promote clients. For instance, {{u\|Mayast}} and {{u\|IPadPerson}} were reverted and to promote Kid Harpoon. Another reversion came to promote Kid Harpoon against the judgement of {{u\|My love is love}}.

			:Those accounts, as well as ], all seem to be SPA/COI accounts which are not responding to multiple discussion attempts, and should be blocked for some period of time to get their attention. The "foundation" article seems like it would also fail GNG, and should probably be either deleted or merged into the Hyeon-joo article. ] ] 06:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
	I would like to see this person be restricted to just one account which acknowledges the conflict of interest. That way non-neutral additions can be managed better by uninvolved editors. ] (]) 03:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
			:I BOLDly redirected the foundation article to the main Park Hyeon-joo article. ] (]) 19:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Misplaced Pages Writers Marks a Milestone with 1,000 Successful Misplaced Pages Page Publications ==
	:Agreed. It is a clear fact that they are ] about themselves for ]. Even a COI notice would work for them. ] (]) 04:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
	::Trimmed down ] article to properly cited GRAMMY awards and published paper. ] (]) 07:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::Proposed deletion of ]. Not notable per ]; he's a record producer, not a performer, and not a notable producer. The articles about him are mostly archived copies of THREE PR. ] (]) 06:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
	::::Fixed citations at ]. He seems to pass ], and there are good articles about him. Took out spammy links and listcruft. The article could use some attention, but the spam level is way down now. Someone else please take a few of these. Thanks. ] (]) 06:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

			Well, that's what they ''say'' on openpr.com. For the interested. I was going to link it, but my edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a ] or ]. Despite that, it seems to have some WP-presence: ] (]) 12:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::Attempted to clean up {{la\|Al Shux}}. Removed obvious PR quotes and worked on grammar and comprehension. ] (]) 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
			:{{re\|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} That's just a press release site. The company that published it is already listed on ] at ]. ] (]) 15:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::Has anyone requested that the website be added to the spam blacklist? I think that might be worth doing. ] (]) 20:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	Prod was removed from ] by the last-named IP above. I've sent it to AfD, with a rationale borrowed from {{u\|Nagle}}. ] (]) 21:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::: Hi everybody. Thanks for your interest in this issue. It seems that there might be a bit of a disconnect here. First, I see now that there are two accounts associated with these changes. That has been fixed and all future revisions will come from this account. Second, I see that in my attempts to make sure credits were listed correctly, it came off as promoting. That was never the intention and I will make sure future additions stick to the cited material. Third, I see that John Hill is being contested as not a notable producer. I respectfully disagree and would point you to the Producer of Year nominations for the 2015 Grammys. He has also been a part of a number of large albums and songs in the past. So I would ask that the proposed deletion be reversed as he values the importance of[REDACTED] for people to learn more about him and his projects he has been a part of.
	Lastly, I see that a number of our pages have already been edited and have had a number of discographies deleted. I would hope that you understand that these pages are important for our clients and help potential artists and labels get an idea of what they have worked on. I maintain these pages not to promote our clients, but to make sure that the information listed is as up to date and correct. I work hard to make sure all pages are cited and credited properly. At the end of the day, deleting this information doesn't hurt our company specifically, but hurts the producers and writers who work tirelessly for these credits. And I don't think that is fair to take that away from them.
	Please reconsider. Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:33, 17 February 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: Links to "allmusic.com" have been retained, so anyone who wants full discography information can find it. Misplaced Pages is not a music or credits database. (We'd never be able to keep up.) See ]. ] (]) 23:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	:: I disagree. In the music industry community, Misplaced Pages has become a quick and convenient way for people to search and see an artists, producers, mixers, or writers credits. I think it is unfair that our clients are being singled out when in fact a majority of the major producers and writers have[REDACTED] pages with extensive credits. I would like a little more clarity as to why those pages are free to list extensive credits and our pages are being singled out. I can't help but feel like this is an attack starting from ] (]) after I tried to adjust credits that they disagreed on. They seem to be spearheading this attack on our clients and it seems vindictive. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::: Promotion is not allowed on Misplaced Pages. See ]. Writing about your own organization's activities is strictly limited, is why this issue came up here on ]. Please read up on what Misplaced Pages is about. Misplaced Pages takes a rather tough line on promotional editors, and promoters. If it didn't, Misplaced Pages would read like ]. You can, if you like, ask on the talk page of the article to have information added. The best information comes from reliable third-party sources. See ]. If your people really are notable, there should be substantive articles about them in major publications (not blogs). Mention those on the talk page. ] (]) 01:58, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
	{{od}} i try to stay out of music articles, but there is probably a username violation here, if anybody wants to go there. ] (]) 00:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	== ~~Everfound~~ (~~band~~) ==		== Paul Devlin (footballer) ==

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	* {{la\|~~Everfound~~ (~~band~~)}}		* {{pagelinks\|Paul Devlin (footballer)}}
	* {{la\|~~Everfound (album)~~}}		* {{userlinks\|Pdfc2025}}
	* {{la\|Word Entertainment}}
	* {{userlinks\|Andlarryofficial }}
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			The editor claims to be the subject of the article and is repeatedly adding altered statistics, replacing ones which appear to be referenced. I and {{u\|Struway2}} have made suggestions at the editor's talk page. I am reluctant to continue reverting in the circumstances (for all I know the edits are correct, if unsourced), but on the other hand it could be a hoax or subtle vandalism. What's the best way forwards? ] (]) 12:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	There very clearly is a COI with ]. In addition to ] , his ], focused on , demonstrate a lack ] or ] to policies:
			:Their stats look correct for what they are, per the sources in the career stats table lower down the article where they appear in the totals columns, but they include data for matches that don't belong in the infobox. The editor has removed all but big-league clubs from the infobox, lumped together separate spells with the same club, and included statistics for cup competitions; I've explained to them that conventionally we don't do that. The editor also suggests there are errors and omissions, which could well be true, but they haven't yet elaborated. cheers, ] (]) 13:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	* "Ruslan, 21, Nikita, 20, Yan, 18, ''and Larry'', 15, make up Everfound..."
			::They are now blocked from making changes to that article. They are more than welcome to suggest changes on the article's talk page. <b>]</b><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 20:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	:# Edits re Ruslan:
	:# Edits re Nikita:
	:# Edits re Yan:
	:# Edits re Illarion, another band member:
	:# Edits about the band:
	::* to ]: on 4/1/14, ... 16 more edits, on 2/14/15
	::* to ]:
	::* to ]:
	] (]) 12:06, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::The band and album articles have been around for a while. The band article survived an AfD; I was going to propose deletion, but since it passed AfD, I took that out. ], though, could be toned down a bit. Some of it reads like ad copy. ("Everywhere he presented "The Game of Life", he got requests for copies.") ] (]) 02:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
	::::Trimmed some peacocking from ]. Their long list of "hit songs" needs citations. Some of them might not be "hits". ] (]) 02:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

	== ~~Carmen~~ ~~A. Puliafito~~ ==		== ] ==
			{{pagelinks\|User:SHEJO VARGHESE}}
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			Undisclosed COI editor writing an autobiography at ].<span id="LunaEclipse:1736800296227:WikipediaFTTCLNConflict_of_interest/Noticeboard" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 20:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
	* {{la\|Carmen A. Puliafito}}
			:With the page in draft space and placed for CSD, and the copious user page warnings, with a grand total of 3 edits by this apparent COI editor, I would caution ]. I think no further action is likely necessary as their draft page will either be deleted under CSD but failing that would most certainly fail a formal AfD. ] ] 20:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
	* {{userlinks\|Keckofficeofdean}}
			::], my bad :( I had no intention to come off as overly harsh.<span id="LunaEclipse:1736801352397:WikipediaFTTCLNConflict_of_interest/Noticeboard" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 20:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
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			:::Just remember to have good faith -- when they have only made three edits and stopped editing at 16:52, and then subsequently 4 consecutive posts to their talk page is a bit overbearing. It would be one thing if they were editing between your posts (so it appears they are ignoring you), but in this case, zero edits since the first notice, there's not a huge need to escalate unless they continue to persist in unconstructive behavior after the notifications. ] ] 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
	Username says it all. Needs editing, review, and watching. I've tagged the article and the userpage (note - account has been closed down for username violation, but we can expect someone from there to come back. ] (]) 15:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
	:Indeed the entire thing is written as an advert, with jarring sentences like "under his leadership"...] (]) 14:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
	::I took out some of the brochure-type material. A few more citations could be added. ] (]) 19:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

	== ~~Jason~~ ~~Dundas~~ ==		== Gilles Epié ==

	Article: {{la\|Jason Dundas}}

	Users I suspect of conflict of interest:
	*{{userlinks\|Jasondundas}}
	*{{userlinks\|Jasonrobertdundas}}

	OK, I have read the Jason Dundas article and it seems that these two users could be the subject of the article (it is on my watchlist). I'm just wondering if these users are actually allowed to edit the Jason Dundas article due to a conflict of interest. User:Jasonrobertdundas edited the article in April '14 (a bit old).

	Here are the diffs:
	{{diff\|page=Jason Dundas\|diff=647369505\|oldid=647284710}}- by ]
	{{diff\|page=Jason Dundas\|diff=606433128\|oldid=601353979}}- by ] (for the record)

	I highly suspect that the first diff by User:Jasondundas is conflict of interest as he has added links to his own Instagram pages etc. I have not reverted as I think it would be best for an administrator to decide. Thank you! ] <small>]\|]</small> 12:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Goodgame Studios ==

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	* {{la\|~~Goodgame~~ ~~Studios~~}}		* {{pagelinks\|Gilles Epié}}
	* {{userlinks\|~~Goodgame~~}}		* {{userlinks\|Epie2020}}
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			Epie2020 has acknowledged a personal connection to Gilles Epié on their ] but does not seem to consider this a conflict of interest. They were most recently warned about this behavior on 20 December 2023 but to make edits to the Gilles Epié article. ] (]) 22:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
	] is the self-admitted " of ]" and "". In the past, this account has to ] as well as . I have previously , to which they responded that they . However, they continue to and , not to mention their use of ]. ] (]) 17:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

	: There's definitely a user name issue. But their edits at ] have been factual additions to their company infobox. If they stop now, there's no big problem. ] (]) 01:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
			:It's been nearly a year since this user's last contribution, unless there are edits to deleted pages. I don't think there's any action to be taken here given that a COI notice has been on the page since 2023. Maybe some work could be done on the article itself? --] (]) 02:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Unfortunately I don't think the article has a version in page history that doesn't suffer from ] issues. I've gone ahead and trimmed it down a bit. --] (]) 03:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::This seems like a reasonable approach to me. They've been off and on editing the same article for years now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they come back at some point. Hopefully this notice will dissuade them from directly editing the article. Thank you for your work on this. ] (]) 15:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Burning River Buckets ==
	== Trinity Baptist Church (Concord, New Hampshire) ==

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	* {{la\|Trinity Baptist Church (Concord, New Hampshire)}}
	* {{userlinks\|~~John~~ ~~Foxe~~}}		* {{userlinks\|C.A. Buttons}}
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			] has identified himself as the owner of the ] basketball team on , on , and on . I've tried over a period of months (and on each of those talk pages) to share information on the COI policy and the need for reliable sources, to no apparent avail. Perhaps others could give it try. -- ] (]) 01:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
	John Foxe repeatedly deleted reliably sourced (major newspapers) material from this article concerning the association of his personal and professional friend Reverend Chuck Phelps and Phelps involvement in the rape cover up of teenage Tina Anderson who attended Phelps church at the time. Clearly "John" has drank to much BJU Kool Aide and cannot refrain from editing that seriously violates COI especially when it concerns Bob Jones University related articles. "John" has been banned from editing many articles and for sock puppetry as well over many years and has denied wrongdoing until the evidence overwhelms the deception he was attempting. He also has demonstrated ownership of many articles related to fundamentalist causes. ] (]) 13:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	:Since I last edited that article in December 2011, this COI is clearly ] by a sock.--] (]) 14:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	:: I agree ] (]) 14:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	*John Foxe you are the confirmed user of sock puppets (and blocked for doing so, see ]) so it is no surprise that you resort to false accusations in an attempt to deflect blame from your long history of COI and edit warring. Your shotgun accusation is meant to do nothing more than cast aspersions so you will not face examination. you continue to ignore Misplaced Pages guidelines. Your continuous engage in edit warring, sock puppetry, agenda pushing for all things fundamental and Bob Jones University, and low regard for Misplaced Pages standards. Vertrag I am sorry John has sucked you in as you recently reported John's many fouls and gaming the system. I understand you are using a sock to protect yourself from John Foxe as you stated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Peter_Ruckman I assure you Vertrag I am no sock but my IP changes randomly and sometimes frequently due the nature of my cellular connection. I am the one you agreed with in the BLP noticeboard and it was because of your posting there that I investigated ] and easily figured out who he is and then posted here as a result. Thanks for the help ] (]) 16:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

			:I've posted a on their talk page. For now I think it's worth letting their changes to the page more or less stand; their ''actual contributions'' in the latest round of edits consisted of deleting some unreferenced information and accidentally removing one reference. --] (]) 20:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
	::I am concerned with ] issues in the posts above. Does anybody share my concern? Should we bring this to ANI for review and revdel if needed? This is not a comment about the editing concerns being raised about ], which may or may not be valid. I'll look into that separately. It is a question about OUTING. Thanks. ] (]) 17:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
			::Went back and restored the external links section as well. --] (]) 20:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::I appreciate your concern. Someone should also make a judgment call about ] in that article. I'm not sure the church is notable without the Tina Anderson case, and the case is perhaps important enough to stand on its own.--] (]) 17:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
			:::Link to a ] thread from 2024 regarding an IP editor claiming to be the team's owner: ] --] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 16:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
	*John your long running defense of fundamental Christian issues related to Bob Jones has clouded your judgment as demonstrated by your careful editing of the article to make the best light possible out of major national news story at the time. It repeatedly made national news because of the way the Pastor Chuck Phelps treated a young student from a troubled family who was raped by a wealthy parishioner who was allowed to stay in the church for years after Chuck Phelps knew he had impregnated the teenage girl. Phelps then subjected the girl to ridiculous questioning and embarrassment and then sent her off thousands of miles away where the police where unable to contact her. It is about the church but one could argue more so about Chuck Phelps. The story received the attention only because Phelps handled it very improperly from a moral standpoint that shocked even the secular world. That blatant and egregious COI is why I brought this up here. I have a question, why do you believe COI does not apply to you concerning this article? John your long history of abusive editing is very troubling. Again this all started because you repeatedly added libelous material to the ] which has since been thoroughly cleansed as a result of the BLP investigation I started at your challenge to report you. There are so many COI's concerning articles you have worked on that I have discovered that it appears your account is largely used to promote a fundamental Bob Jones agenda. One thing Misplaced Pages is not for is religious warring. John, I believe you have been given some remarkable gifts but you must apply them with compassion, reason and integrity and remember who you claim to represent. ] (]) 11:36, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::The Trinity Church article is a clear and unambiguous coatrack article, self-evidently created to cover the rape - a subject which would otherwise not meet Misplaced Pages notability guidelines. Since it is obvious that the church doesn't meet our notability guidelines either, the article should be deleted. ] (]) 13:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
	*Trinity Baptist Church was created due the enormous amount of press attention (very notable) the church received due the emotional and verbal abuse of a rape victim by her pastor and other church officials. The article could be renamed the Trinity Baptist Church (Concord, New Hampshire) Scandal but that may not please John Foxe and some others in the fundamental circles who would like to see the scandalous behavior suppressed. Another option would be the Chuck Phelps scandal but most of the news reports seemed to focus on the church so that does not work. Bottom line the atrocious handling of a rape of vulnerable girl is what brought it to 20/20 and most major news outlets. It is definitely notable so it is clearly not a coatrack. The title could be improved by renaming it Trinity Baptist Church (rape scandal) as it is really about the rape scandal at Trinity Baptist church. The information about the church's current attendance/status is irrelevant.] (]) 14:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::Thank you for the unambiguous acknowledgement that the article is a coatrack. ] (]) 16:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

			== ] ==
	* Take the article to ] and ] for action. The crime seems potentially notable enough to have an article, but probably the Church is non-notable and its article is merely a coat rack for discussing the crime. The content appears to be well-sourced. As for outing concerns, IP editor, please stop discussion who John Foxe is in real life. It is entirely immaterial to Misplaced Pages. If his editing is biased, it can be dealt with as biased, regardless of the reason for the bias. If as he claims, he hasn't touched the article since 2011, nothing needs to be done about him now. (If he's lying, which I will check, I would block him straight away.) I'm going to strip some bits from your comments about to protect his privacy, though he may not deserve it, because Misplaced Pages is very cautious about outing its editors. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

			User appears to be/is part of a (self-published) substack publication called ''Shatter the Standards'' and since joining on January 13 2025 have been adding the publication's reviews to album articles (]). For example/recently, on Mac Miller's '']'' (today). // ] (]) 20:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
	* I have opened a discussion at ] concerning the BLP issues and potential refocusing of the article. See ]. ] (]) 01:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
			: {{u\|Chchcheckit}} The top of this noticeboard clearly says {{tq\|This page should only be used when ordinary talk page discussion has been attempted and failed to resolve the issue}}. Why wasn't this done first? I have now left a COI notice on the user's talk page. ] (]) 22:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
			::my bad. i rushed / wasn't thinking {{facepalm}} // ] (]) 22:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
			::: No wirres {{u\|Chchcheckit}}, thanks for responding. Hopefully they will respond either here or there. ] (]) 02:27, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{linksummary\|shatterthestandards.com}} ] (]) 16:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Alexander H. Joffe ==
	{{od}}* I'd like to turn this discussion back to COI issues. As far as I am concerned, there is no "statute of limitations" in WP. {{u\|John Foxe}} made three big batches of edits back in 2011. (there are IP edits too but who knows who did those):
	** where Foxe:
	*** added (for example) "Anderson's mother has consistently supported Phelps, crediting him with the "purest of motives." with support from the '''very not-independent source''': http://www.drchuckphelps.com/mothers-statement.html Chuck Phelps website
	*** removed, for example: "Other former church members accuse Trinity Baptist as being harmful. Matt Barnhart, a church member for 15 years, said he and his family left the church in 2010 because he had “misgivings about church teachings, including about "worldly" practices, as well as the "discipline" of the alleged victim (Tina Anderson), which he witnessed years earlier. Another former member, Jocelyn Zicterman, said the church covered up incidents of physical and sexual abuse by her own family members" sourced to
	** ... these changes updated the article with the results of the trial. Mostly neutral.
	** I think mostly neutral. Updated sentencing. Add Phelps (the supposed focus of his COI) resignation, under pressure from public campaign. Added appeal.

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	In my view the edits in diff 1 are terribly bad judgement - especially the content putting Phelps in a positive light sourced to Phelps' website. That is really crap sourcing by WP's basic editing standards, and even uglier doing it in favor of the guy in power while all this went down, and beyond ugly in the context of it happening in a church.
			* {{pagelinks\|Alexander H. Joffe}}
			* {{userlinks\|69.121.25.122}} Claims to be Joffe in a 2007 edit
			* {{userlinks\|71.249.231.9}} Edited the article only a day after the above IP to remove a notability tag, has only edited the Joffe article, Joffe's area of expertise of ] and ], Joffe's former employer per here.
			* {{userlinks\|74.88.198.179}} Claims to be Joffe in this talk page edit
			* {{userlinks\|24.191.44.177}} Claims to be Joffe in the same talk page as above
			* {{userlinks\|31.154.131.245}} Single edit on the page promoting Joffe's podcast, IP is from Israel where Joffe has done work in the past. I find it rather unlikely some random Israeli wants to add a link to a minor academic's podcast.
			* {{userlinks\|67.82.155.243}} Made 2 edits to Joffe article, has ] IP, only a few miles from ] where Joffe formerly taught.
			There are other IPs which have only one edit to Joffe's article that could well be him as well but I don't think that's enough evidence to go by, nor would it be worthwile given how much Joffe's IP seems to change. ] (]) 03:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

			:Not really actionable directly as all of these account edits are from several years ago. IP addresses span multiple networks and we wouldn’t block them broadly without good reason. Only thing at the moment is to keep an eye out on this article. If new IP edits become persistently disruptive you could request page protection, but one or two anonymous edits once a year wouldn’t even qualify for that unless there were serious BLP concerns. Use revert instead. ] ] 05:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
	''Background'': There was a prior discussion of Foxe's COI with regard to Bob Jones, see ] which was converted to ] which was closed with no consensus for action.

			== Earth System Governance Project ==
	Folks here, '''I recommend''' that we ask John Foxe to agree to avoid making '''any''' edits to this topic going forward and to avoid making '''any''' potentially controversial edits to other content related to Bob Jones University again - and instead to follow the ] guideline going forward. And if he won't agree to self-limit, we should consider trying to get such a limit established via ANI (topic ban probably will not fly after the recent long ANI). Thoughts? ] (]) 01:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:I ~~haven't~~ ~~made~~ ~~any~~ ~~edits~~ to ~~this article since 2011, and I gladly agree not to make any in the future. Fair enough?--~~] (]) 01:55, 20 ~~February~~ ~~2015~~ (UTC)		{{Resolved\| Discussion should remain at ] ] (]) 16:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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	::whew. i am catching my breath from the flippancy of that response. John, based on that, and on your apparent lack of self-insight into whatever it was that led you to make what has got to be one of the most conflicted edits I have ever seen in WP, hell no. Some acknowledgement and I (speaking just for me) might have said OK. But with that response, '''hell no'''. ] (]) 02:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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	:::Are we really asking for sanctions for a 4 year old edit the person who made it has not repeated and has indicated they won't make again? --]] 02:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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	::::Don't you hate rhetorical questions? Actually "the person" showed zero insight into - what we got was "oh I don't care about that topic, no skin off my back not to touch it again" and no engagement with the topic at hand - namely COI. No promise whatsoever to be more careful with regard to COI. For anybody scholarly that flippancy with regard to COI is a big flag saying "Don't trust me". At this point, I favor seeking enforcement of the COI guideline via ANI. I will wait for other input. ] (]) 02:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Let me make it a statement. The edit in question was 4 years ago, and the user in question has unambiguously promised not to make it again. If you take this up at ANI, it will be laughed off the page and you'll be made a fool of for being so petty as to dig through 4 years of history and demand action for such a singular, non-repeated violation. That's not a rhetorical question, that's a fact, Jack.--]] 06:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::You made your point clear, thanks. What you present as a fact is your prediction, which may or may not be realized, should I go ahead with an ANI. The edit is egregious and the editor shows no sign that he is aware of that; the response was dismissive. What he ''actually'' promised was to not edit that article again; he didn't promise to mind his COI better. As I said, the editor has a clear COI and if he cannot manage that himself, in my view the community will have to do that for him. The reason I looked at the edits is also clear - this COIN posting. There is no witch-hunting, petty digging - that is a mischaracterization of what has happened. I'll see what other folks have to say before acting. And what I would propose at ANI is that John Foxe be obligated to follow the ] guideline with respect to the topic, ] for which he is a clear ]. Not a topic ban. I think that is reasonable. ] (]) 08:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::: ], the problem is that it is not an isolated event. Foxe regularly (though not always - he has made good and significant contributions to Misplaced Pages) makes edits that reflect a COI and takes when they are challenged. The text he inserted into the ] article ( for the removal of text he had inserted over time after a recent BLP report) also shows a lack of respect for Misplaced Pages policies and a conflict of interest. He regularly edits articles with which he has a personal view (Peter Ruckman, mormonism related for example) to "oust" or "expose the truth" which I believe rises to the level of a conflict of interest since he is a religious professor of a different faith. Like I said, Foxe makes many useful edits, but he has no recognition of why certain edits are inappropriate. He'll apologize and agree to topic bans or other remedies, but a few months, and in some cases, a few years later, he is right back at his former ways. I personally don't know how to address his consistent success at ] ] (]) 15:54, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Compile a list of violations with the resulting agreements not to do it again. If the list shows substantial recidivism, you can say, "We need a formal topic ban because prior voluntary agreements haven't prevented further problems." I predict that such a request, if based on solid evidence, would be passed at AN/I, thereby resolving the problem. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Per Jehochman, ] is thataway. Also, what you JUST said was in no way said before I made my statement above. Based on Jytdog's statement, we had a diff to a problematic edit 4 years ago and a demand for action. No f'n way based on that. You can't then say "No Jayron, you're wrong because he's done X, Y, and Z more recently". No, I wasn't wrong because no one told anyone about X, Y, and Z. If there's a problem to be dealt with, gather your evidence, start a ] or something similar, and present the evidence of a long term problem. I'm not saying there isn't a long term problem (and by saying that, I am also not saying there IS a long term problem. I am not committing one way or another on the existence or non-existence of such a problem). My objection is to ask the community for a sanction based on the evidence of a single 4-year-old edit. I'm saying that is not evidence of a problem. That's different from saying that it's evidence there is no problem. There may or may not be. But don't say I was wrong in my initial assessment based on evidence you didn't provide for me to make that assessment. AND, most importantly, this is not the venue for such a discussion. If it should be had, ANI (or better yet, RFCU) would be the place to present it, so long as the evidence is clear and not based on a single statement from 4 years ago. A pattern of behavior and recidivism (and "I didn't like the quality of his apology just now" is not recidivism) is a good start. --]] 22:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	{{od}} Jayron, RFCU was discontinued in December - "thataway" is a dead end. Also, there is a short section above called "background" that lays out prior history - it was right there to look at. you are making really strong statements based on partial and wrong information and i don't understand why. your comments here are not adding light nor useful guidance and i don't know how this popped up on your radar. anyway....] (]) 22:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Eric Frein ==

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			Pinging {{ping\|EMsmile}}. See the extensive discussion on ]. Would like a subject matter expert/COI expert to figure this out. ] (]) 18:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
	The above mentioned user is removing content based on improving google results. Judging by the user name and the description in the removal, the user is an employee of the university removing information to avoid bad press for the school. This appears to be a clear COI violation. He was on the FBI most wanted list prior to his capture, and his background should not be excluded due to improving Google results. - ] (]) 21:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
	: Looks like two other editors undid the edits by the COI editor. ] (]) 01:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

			:Hello ], that ANI thread has become crazy long, should we (or someone) perhaps summarise what the COI question about me is exactly, for the benefit of the people watching this noticeboard? You might be in a better position to do that than me. - My question would be: is the COI management explanation that I give on my profile page at the top under "disclosure" sufficient/correct? The ANI got started by someone who claimed my edits at ] were adding "PR" because I am a paid editor and have a COI. I have rejected this claim and believe I have followed procedures correctly. I have however said in the ANI thread that I would be happy to ban myself from editing the ] article in future due to the various connections between that alliance of academics and my client, the "Earth System Governance Foundation". ] (]) 11:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
	== ] ==

			:Just a note here that EMsmile also wrote 98% of ], the founder of the ESG Project. I'm not sure what question this COIN thread is supposed to be answering. What are we supposed to be figuring out here? ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 18:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
	Was hoping to attract potential watchlisters and participants to the page in general and to in particular. The reason I brought it up here is because I have a disclosed COI with the man's former employer, ], having created of the article in a Bright Line(ish) format with {{ping\|FreeRangeFrog}}. The other editor, Intchar*, has an editing pattern that very strongly suggests a non-disclosed COI. We seem unable to reach agreement on quite a few things spanning the inclusion of awards, unsourced patent claims, excluding products his team made that were unsuccessful, and so on. ] (]) 22:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
			::no clue. never posted anything to COI/N. Just trying to get folks who know how to handle it or similar situations' take. ] (]) 19:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::OK, since you don't have a specific question for COIN, I suggest that people who are interested comment at AN/I instead of here. Having a discussion take place in two different pages is very stressful, especially for the person whose conduct is being discussed. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 19:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Greta Berlin and Free Gaza (again) ==

			== Mockbul Ali ==
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	~~The~~ ~~] and ] articles have~~ been ~~subject to advocacy in the past. The account ] was indefinitely blocked~~ after a ~~discussion~~ ~~here.~~ ~~The~~ ~~COI~~ ~~and~~ ~~was~~ ~~further~~ ~~discussed~~ at an ~~admin's~~ ~~talk~~ ~~page.~~		Article had been deleted after prior WP:COIN , has now been created again. I've tagged for deletion. ] (]) 13:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

			:The page in question complies with all of Misplaced Pages’s criteria and is factual with no commentary. There are references also included. The page is also identical in form to dozens of other pages for British diplomats. The UK diplomatic service has only a handful of diplomats from ethnic minority backgrounds, therefore it is worthwhile having a page on one of the very few ethnic minority British Ambassadors (of which there have been less than a dozen in the last 100 years). The aim surely has to be to improve the page and not delete it. ] (]) 16:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
	A COI concern was addressed here regarding ].
			::Long history of puffery and sock puppetry. Probably does not meet our notability guidelines and we strongly suspect it's an autobiography. ] (]) 08:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

			Pinging {{Ping\|Jay8g}} and {{Ping\|Axad12}}. ] (]) 14:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
	It was again brought up with no comments:.

			:The page in question complies with all of Misplaced Pages’s criteria and is factual with no commentary. There are references also included. The page is also identical in form to dozens of other pages for British diplomats. The UK diplomatic service has only a handful of diplomats from ethnic minority backgrounds, therefore it is worthwhile having a page on one of the very few ethnic minority British Ambassadors (of which there have been less than a dozen in the last 100 years). The aim surely has to be to improve the page and not delete it. ] (]) 16:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
	The user name is the same as a publicly shared email address. Tecspk@aol.com is again removing content from the article.

			== EnterpriseDB ==
	I believe the account should be blocked due to evasion. The advocacy concerns are secondary.] (]) 00:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
	:notice wasn't provided. i did that and also tagged the Greta Berlin article itself for COI and added the connected contributors tag. {{u\|Cptnono}} you seem pretty familiar with the long history here - do you reckon you behavioral grounds for an SPI case? That may be the swiftest way to deal with this, and would be good to resolve in any case. ] (]) 02:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	::D'oh... did the notice last week but not this recent time. Bad form on my part. Thanks.
	::SPI could be beneficial. I believe it is a matter of DUCK but other eyes is always good. The IP might have changed (if Truegreta and Tecspk@aol.com are the same) but maybe not. The accounts are infrequent but it would be nice to have a record i case it comes up again. Should I move this over there?] (]) 02:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	::::IF you see strong behavioral patterns, that would be your best path by far, yes. ] (]) 03:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Consider watching ] ==

	Hello. I note that at ] there are several questions about COI issues. This is a WikiProject which is getting several posts a month, so is more popular than most. I stopped in there because my student in the ] went there. I responded to a couple of old queries but there are several there asking for help with COI. Is there a template response which anyone here routinely gives?

	Also, if anyone is interested in watching these things, WikiProject Companies could use watchers. ]] 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

	== USC Eye Institute ==

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			Repetitive edits with promotional and unsourced content. Article has a history of seemingly paid editors and/or closely affiliated editors. ~<span style="font-variant:small-caps">]</span><sup>]{{nbsp}}•{{nbsp}}]</sup> 22:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
	Article was created by ResearchOnCommand - very promotional; was almost immediately deleted per PROD by {{u\|Jimfbleak}} after {{u\|Cwmhiraeth}} moved it through AfC. Cwmhiraeth took responsibility and re-created the article (non-promotionally!) and I added more stuff. Today a new account Mdraper91101 has started coming through and dumping more promotional crap into the article. I note that the USC Eye Institute was associated with a nonprofit called the Dehaney Eye Institute since the mid-1970s and together they built an authentically rocking program. The two just went through a divorce, with Dehaney allying with USC's rival, UCLA, and it is really obvious that the newly naked USC EYe Institue is trying to re-establish itself. Blatant promo/COI editing going on. I've tagged for COI and notified the editors. Mdraper is also edit warring. Please watch and help. Thanks! ] (]) 23:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
	: is really telling. Removed reference to Doheny and dumped in an already-prepared (and unsourced) listing of All The Great Things That Have Been Done There. ] (]) 23:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
	Protected for three months. ] (] · ] · ]) 00:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	::Thanks Doc, I'm watching the page too now ] - ] 06:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::Thanks both of you! ] (]) 09:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

			:User hasn't responded to any talk page messages or made any other attempt to communicate besides two very short edit summaries. A block might be needed to get their attention (and also per ]). See also ]. --] (]) 22:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
	== St John Ambulance (England and the Islands) ==
			:They've been blocked for spam. ] (]) 08:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

			::I listed all the potential COI/undisclosed paid editors in the article's history on the article talk page. Not a single one ever disclosed a connection to the company, but a bit of searching found that the majority were rather obvious. As the blocked editor is the only one recently active, there's no point in notifying any of the others. --] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 14:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
	We have a problem at the article ] where there have been massive numbers of edits over recent days by ]. This editor has made several references in edit summaries to "being paid" by St John Ambulance (the subject of the article) to re-write it for them. Today the same editor has removed whole sections and their references. Some of these references are deadlinks, but I have notified the editor that he/she should be tagging these as deadlinks, rather than mass section blanking. The editor's own user page quite blatantly states that he is a single-issue editor with a clear COI. Indeed, he states that he is a paid editor. The current wording of his user page is: "I am a writer who has been employed by St John Ambulance (England) to update its Misplaced Pages pages." I would request Administrator intervention, and reversion of this editor's recent edits. '''<font color="green">]</font> ''<sup><font color="orange">]</font>''</sup>''' 16:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
	::Hum yes. So this organization is directly paying to have the article rewritten and that editor is directly rewriting it. They have disclosed and discussed on the talk page. ] (] · ] · ]) 19:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	:::i have tagged the article and its Talk page and left the user warning on the editor's talk page. Article itself needs reviewing still.] (]) 19:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	::::Let's not bite the newby. He has done the first thing needed correctly - he has reported that he is a paid editor per the Terms of Use and identified his employer. I'd say the next thing to do is to ask him to make any proposed corrections on the talk page, and let other editors make the actual edits. Finally some advice: Ben - please don't make any edits (even on the talk page) that look like adverts. This can be hard when somebody is paying you, but it can be done. This is why we prefer to have an independent editor make the actual edits to the article. At that point, all we have to do is say "Thanks for the cooperation!" My thanks in advance to all, ]<sub>(<font color="cc6600">]</font>)</sub> 19:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Samsung C&T Corporation, Saint Petersburg State University of Information Technologies, Mechanics and Optics, and Lakhta Center ==

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John Ortberg

Pages:

John Ortberg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users:

Timothydw82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Timothydw82 is a Single Purpose Account which is used solely to promote, defend and censor valid information about John Ortberg. Timothydw82 admits to consulting with Ortberg about the article on User talk:Timothydw82 and has also used that page to make disparaging comments about Ortberg's son, Daniel Lavery. This is both a serious COI and POV problem. He has been warned before by other editors. My most recent warning (for POV editing) was met with what seems to be feigned incomprehension and "Do you work for Misplaced Pages?". I think it is time to put an end to this farce. DanielRigal (talk) 02:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your concerns. I’d like to address the points you’ve raised to clarify any misunderstandings about my contributions and intentions.

First, while my account may appear to have a narrow focus, my goal has always been to ensure that articles on Misplaced Pages adhere to its principles of neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sourcing. My edits related to John Ortberg and related topics are aimed at upholding these standards, not promoting or censoring information. If there are specific examples where you believe I’ve violated these principles, I welcome a constructive discussion to address them.

Second, regarding my consultation with John Ortberg: I acknowledge that I have communicated with him, as I’ve disclosed on my user talk page. However, my involvement has been strictly limited to ensuring that edits align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and reflect accurate information.

Third, concerning the comments about Daniel Lavery, I understand how sensitive these matters are. My intent was not to disparage anyone, and if any of my remarks were perceived as inappropriate, please bring them to my attention.

I'd also like to express my disappointment in your accusing me via direct message of treating you like "idiots". That felt like a curt, uncalled for accusation with little to no dialogue or support. You have not engaged in a discussion with me but clearly expressed your desire to see me blocked for little to no good reason I can discern.

Finally, regarding warnings from other editors: I value feedback and strive to learn from it. I am more than willing to engage in dialogue to resolve disputes and improve the quality of articles. If there are ongoing concerns about my edits, I encourage the use of formal dispute resolution processes so we can work collaboratively toward a solution. Timothydw82 (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Is that AI generated text? I ran it through a few different detectors and most thought that it was at least partially AI generated. DanielRigal (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Unbelievable. Indeffed. Thank you, Daniel. Bishonen | tålk 20:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC).

Mirae Asset Park Hyeon Joo Foundation

Pages:

Mirae Asset Park Hyeon Joo Foundation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Park Hyeon-joo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users:

Channy Jung (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
203.239.154.130 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Chisu1020 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Suspected undisclosed COI editors. Single-purpose accounts used exclusively to edit on this person and his foundation. All of the edits are complimentary, and almost entirely unsourced.

I warned Channy Jung () and 203.239.154.130 () but both have continued editing Mirae Asset Park Hyeon Joo Foundation and have ignored the warning (Channy Jung edit, Channy Jung second edit IP edit). Chisu1020 has been inactive for a while though, but same pattern of behavior.

I recently rewrote Park Hyeon-joo entirely to get rid of the unsourced promotional-like writing . State of article before the rewrite: .

Also worth noting the kowiki version of Park's article is similarly fluffy. I suspect Park/his foundation are watching these articles.

seefooddiet (talk) 05:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Those accounts, as well as 203.239.154.131, all seem to be SPA/COI accounts which are not responding to multiple discussion attempts, and should be blocked for some period of time to get their attention. The "foundation" article seems like it would also fail GNG, and should probably be either deleted or merged into the Hyeon-joo article. TiggerJay (talk) 06:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I BOLDly redirected the foundation article to the main Park Hyeon-joo article. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 19:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Writers Marks a Milestone with 1,000 Successful Misplaced Pages Page Publications

Well, that's what they say on openpr.com. For the interested. I was going to link it, but my edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Misplaced Pages's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist. Despite that, it seems to have some WP-presence: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: That's just a press release site. The company that published it is already listed on WP:PAIDLIST at Misplaced Pages:List_of_paid_editing_companies#Hire_Wikipedia_Writers. SmartSE (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Paul Devlin (footballer)

Paul Devlin (footballer) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Pdfc2025 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The editor claims to be the subject of the article and is repeatedly adding altered statistics, replacing ones which appear to be referenced. I and Struway2 have made suggestions at the editor's talk page. I am reluctant to continue reverting in the circumstances (for all I know the edits are correct, if unsourced), but on the other hand it could be a hoax or subtle vandalism. What's the best way forwards? John (talk) 12:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Their stats look correct for what they are, per the sources in the career stats table lower down the article where they appear in the totals columns, but they include data for matches that don't belong in the infobox. The editor has removed all but big-league clubs from the infobox, lumped together separate spells with the same club, and included statistics for cup competitions; I've explained to them that conventionally we don't do that. The editor also suggests there are errors and omissions, which could well be true, but they haven't yet elaborated. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

They are now blocked from making changes to that article. They are more than welcome to suggest changes on the article's talk page. Jauerback/_dude. 20:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

User:SHEJO VARGHESE

With the page in draft space and placed for CSD, and the copious user page warnings, with a grand total of 3 edits by this apparent COI editor, I would caution WP:BITE. I think no further action is likely necessary as their draft page will either be deleted under CSD but failing that would most certainly fail a formal AfD. TiggerJay (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Tiggerjay, my bad :( I had no intention to come off as overly harsh. — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 20:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Just remember to have good faith -- when they have only made three edits and stopped editing at 16:52, and then subsequently 4 consecutive posts to their talk page is a bit overbearing. It would be one thing if they were editing between your posts (so it appears they are ignoring you), but in this case, zero edits since the first notice, there's not a huge need to escalate unless they continue to persist in unconstructive behavior after the notifications. TiggerJay (talk) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Gilles Epié

Gilles Epié (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Epie2020 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Epie2020 has acknowledged a personal connection to Gilles Epié on their talk page but does not seem to consider this a conflict of interest. They were most recently warned about this behavior on 20 December 2023 but continue to make edits to the Gilles Epié article. Vegantics (talk) 22:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

It's been nearly a year since this user's last contribution, unless there are edits to deleted pages. I don't think there's any action to be taken here given that a COI notice has been on the page since 2023. Maybe some work could be done on the article itself? --Richard Yin (talk) 02:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't think the article has a version in page history that doesn't suffer from WP:PROMO issues. I've gone ahead and trimmed it down a bit. --Richard Yin (talk) 03:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

This seems like a reasonable approach to me. They've been off and on editing the same article for years now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they come back at some point. Hopefully this notice will dissuade them from directly editing the article. Thank you for your work on this. Vegantics (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Burning River Buckets

Burning River Buckets (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
C.A. Buttons (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User:C.A. Buttons has identified himself as the owner of the Burning River Buckets basketball team on his talk page, on my talk page, and on the article's talk page. I've tried over a period of months (and on each of those talk pages) to share information on the COI policy and the need for reliable sources, to no apparent avail. Perhaps others could give it try. -- Pemilligan (talk) 01:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I've posted a personalized explanation on their talk page. For now I think it's worth letting their changes to the page more or less stand; their actual contributions in the latest round of edits consisted of deleting some unreferenced information and accidentally removing one reference. --Richard Yin (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Went back and restored the external links section as well. --Richard Yin (talk) 20:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Link to a WP:COIN thread from 2024 regarding an IP editor claiming to be the team's owner: Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 207#Burning River Buckets/ABA --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

User:Thebosullivan

User appears to be/is part of a (self-published) substack publication called Shatter the Standards (their about page makes this fact very obvious) and all of his edits since joining on January 13 2025 have been adding the publication's reviews to album articles (WP:PROMO). For example/recently, on Mac Miller's Balloonerism (today). // Chchcheckit (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Chchcheckit The top of this noticeboard clearly says This page should only be used when ordinary talk page discussion has been attempted and failed to resolve the issue. Why wasn't this done first? I have now left a COI notice on the user's talk page. Melcous (talk) 22:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

my bad. i rushed / wasn't thinking

Facepalm // Chchcheckit (talk) 22:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

No wirres Chchcheckit, thanks for responding. Hopefully they will respond either here or there. Melcous (talk) 02:27, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

shatterthestandards.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Misplaced Pages: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com SmartSE (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Alexander H. Joffe

Alexander H. Joffe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
69.121.25.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Claims to be Joffe in a 2007 edit
71.249.231.9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Edited the article only a day after the above IP to remove a notability tag, has only edited the Joffe article, Joffe's area of expertise of Levantine archaeology and The David Project, Joffe's former employer per here.
74.88.198.179 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Claims to be Joffe in this talk page edit
24.191.44.177 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Claims to be Joffe in the same talk page as above
31.154.131.245 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Single edit on the page promoting Joffe's podcast, IP is from Israel where Joffe has done work in the past. I find it rather unlikely some random Israeli wants to add a link to a minor academic's podcast.
67.82.155.243 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Made 2 edits to Joffe article, has New Rochelle, NY IP, only a few miles from SUNY Purchase where Joffe formerly taught.

There are other IPs which have only one edit to Joffe's article that could well be him as well but I don't think that's enough evidence to go by, nor would it be worthwile given how much Joffe's IP seems to change. Gazingo (talk) 03:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Not really actionable directly as all of these account edits are from several years ago. IP addresses span multiple networks and we wouldn’t block them broadly without good reason. Only thing at the moment is to keep an eye out on this article. If new IP edits become persistently disruptive you could request page protection, but one or two anonymous edits once a year wouldn’t even qualify for that unless there were serious BLP concerns. Use revert instead. TiggerJay (talk) 05:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Earth System Governance Project

Resolved – Discussion should remain at WP:ANI BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Earth System Governance Project (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
EMsmile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Pinging @EMsmile:. See the extensive discussion on Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Non-neutral_paid_editor. Would like a subject matter expert/COI expert to figure this out. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello User:Bluethricecreamman, that ANI thread has become crazy long, should we (or someone) perhaps summarise what the COI question about me is exactly, for the benefit of the people watching this noticeboard? You might be in a better position to do that than me. - My question would be: is the COI management explanation that I give on my profile page at the top under "disclosure" sufficient/correct? The ANI got started by someone who claimed my edits at solar radiation modification were adding "PR" because I am a paid editor and have a COI. I have rejected this claim and believe I have followed procedures correctly. I have however said in the ANI thread that I would be happy to ban myself from editing the Earth System Governance Project article in future due to the various connections between that alliance of academics and my client, the "Earth System Governance Foundation". EMsmile (talk) 11:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Just a note here that EMsmile also wrote 98% of Frank Biermann, the founder of the ESG Project. I'm not sure what question this COIN thread is supposed to be answering. What are we supposed to be figuring out here? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

no clue. never posted anything to COI/N. Just trying to get folks who know how to handle it or similar situations' take. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, since you don't have a specific question for COIN, I suggest that people who are interested comment at AN/I instead of here. Having a discussion take place in two different pages is very stressful, especially for the person whose conduct is being discussed. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 19:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Mockbul Ali

Resolved – Page has been deleted and salted BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:30, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Mockbul Ali (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Article had been deleted after prior WP:COIN discussion, has now been created again. I've tagged for deletion. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The page in question complies with all of Misplaced Pages’s criteria and is factual with no commentary. There are references also included. The page is also identical in form to dozens of other pages for British diplomats. The UK diplomatic service has only a handful of diplomats from ethnic minority backgrounds, therefore it is worthwhile having a page on one of the very few ethnic minority British Ambassadors (of which there have been less than a dozen in the last 100 years). The aim surely has to be to improve the page and not delete it. 2A02:C7C:F349:3A00:7507:2D93:8FC:5D8F (talk) 16:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Long history of puffery and sock puppetry. Probably does not meet our notability guidelines and we strongly suspect it's an autobiography. Secretlondon (talk) 08:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @Jay8g: and @Axad12:. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 14:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

EnterpriseDB

EnterpriseDB (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
EDBWiki25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Repetitive edits with promotional and unsourced content. Article has a history of seemingly paid editors and/or closely affiliated editors. ~Darth Stabro 22:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

User hasn't responded to any talk page messages or made any other attempt to communicate besides two very short edit summaries. A block might be needed to get their attention (and also per username policy). See also User talk:Bilal Ibrar at EDB. --Richard Yin (talk) 22:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

They've been blocked for spam. Secretlondon (talk) 08:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I listed all the potential COI/undisclosed paid editors in the article's history on the article talk page. Not a single one ever disclosed a connection to the company, but a bit of searching found that the majority were rather obvious. As the blocked editor is the only one recently active, there's no point in notifying any of the others. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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