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== Vandalism in the image section? == |
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Why are Sharukh Khan, Madubala and Salim Khan included in the picture gallery? There is no proof that any of them are Pashtun or have ever spoken Pashto. I have also noticed a sense of predijuce by pakistani Pashtuns who tend to replace images of Afghan Pashtuns with Pakistani Pashtuns for their own dismay, why is there no action being taken here? |
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] (]) 09:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)Akmal94 |
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The image gallery has been tampered with AGAIN! 3 new pictures have been added while removing the old ones without permission, this is clearly vandalism on behalf of Pakistani Pashtuns and i feel like this mascarade will continue until they are satisfied. I urge[REDACTED] and its staff to take immediate measures against these anonymous users.] (]) 05:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC) |
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== so sad this article is fully dominated by afghanis == |
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muhammad nabi a cricketer, nobody even knows him outside Afghanistan is in the picture but no jan sher khan who is world known squash champion. no younis khan lol. but all stupid afghans are present who have done nothing except for their own self. This article needs to be revised on the basis of equality and remember pakistani pashtuns are far more than your afghanistan pashtuns. Rest in peace[REDACTED] and this article which is being manipulated by afghans for their own interests. i will continue replacing unknown afghans in the article until admins fix the equality principleSaladin1987 02:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC) |
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AND nobody knows who Younas Khan or Sher Khan is outside of Pakistan, all your doing is trying to compete with Afghan Pashtuns to see which countries can be displayed on the image area the most. Population doesn't change the fact that Afghan Pashtuns were and still are the most influential group of Pashtuns. Also, to add Mohammad Nabi is the captain of the Afghan cricket team and a fine cricketer as well. I would also cut down on the personal insults as it can get you reported.] (]) 23:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Dont be so naive mr akmal, every leader was born in pashtunhawa , ahmed shah abdali wad born here , sher shah was born here , lodhi was born here . All cricketers were born here shahid afridi, imran khan, younis khan etc and all squash champions were born here . Jan sher khan is best squash champion of te world . Lol at muhammad nabi who is not even known in peshwar. Only the ones who have remained influential have been the one who have been dominated by dari culture. If u remove anything i will surely report you. This article is full of your biased views . People in the world know pakistan for pashtuns and afghanistan dor dari hazra people . Nobody even knows pashtuns exist in afghanistan except americans . Pakistan has been the main countrt of pashtun as there are 40 million including ur ungratefull ones who lived in pak ate in pak and spk against pak. Thankyou |
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Your kidding right? This is exactly what i am talking about. You seem to be in some kind of inferiority complex to Afghan Pashtuns and along with your other Pakistani Pashtun brethren's who try to stem your jealousy on to Afghans. Just for the record, there was NO such thing as "Pakhtunkwha" or Pakistan 50 years ago therefore none of the aforementioned historical individuals can be considered "Pakistani" and none of the have been born in that region as you claim. Instead of speaking blather and having such a nationalistic frame of thought, i would advise you to ask anyone who know's who Pashtuns are what country they come from and the answer no doubt will be Afghanistan. Why? because unlike Pakistan where Pashtuns are a minority, Afghanistan has a majority Pashtun population while Pakistan is mostly Punjabi dominated and is seen closer to India culturally. Everybody from Indians to Arabs, or Americans like you put it see Pashtuns as Afghans since that is the name they have been historically been called by. Lastly, this page is NOT for you or anybody else to edit to spread propaganda, this article is meant to talk about Pashtuns as a people as a whole without pasty and nonsensical edits for your own lucrative agenda. ] (]) 08:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC) |
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lol, u stay under delusions my frend, pashtunhawa has been used in abdalis poetry and sher sha suris, well both were born in pakistan side. there was no Afghanistan abt 200 years ago but land was there. similarly there was no pakistan but land was there, read history u will find ur ancestors hindus too under hindu shahi dynasty, but u think ur afghan pashtuns were muslims before islam came, lol sindh was buddist, everybody else was a hindu, u watch bollywood movies more than we pakistani do, u beg to join india love india not we, thing is u cant change history as its a shame that u are a majority in afghanistan but dari is official language, while we are minority and rule pakistan throughout, karachi islamabad rawalpindi, quetta , peshawar main cities are under our business while u have to deal with dari as its official language used in courts, police etc |
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Ahmad Shah was born in Herat, not on the "pakistan side," nor was Sher Shah born in "Pakistan" either, he was born in India. Afghanistan has been a country since 1747 which makes it about 300 years old. Join India? LOL nobody in Afghanistan wants to "join" India, your just speaking out of your arse now. Afghanistan has 2 official languages, Pashto and Dari and Dari is used for business purposes just like you Paki Pathans use Urdu, not Pashto as the language for main communication in Pakistan. I would advise you and many other Pakistani Pashtuns to make Pashto the official language of Pakistan and in Pakhtunkhwa. In Pakistan, especially in Karachi, Pashtuns are ridiculed and as seen as "parasites" due to the fact that they are putting native karachites out of business, and Pathan jokes are prevalent. Back to the topic; DON'T change or make false edits or you will be dealt with an oh, please sign after your done posting, its part of wiki's rules. ] (]) 21:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== Non-Pashto-speaking Pashtuns? == |
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I like the present image gallery in the infobox - it is more properly arranged with respect to the years of birth (from 1486 for Sher Shah Suri up to 1997 for Malala Yousafzai) than the previous gallery this article had. However, non-Pashto-speaking should be removed from it, there are four of them currently there: ], ], ], and ]. ] (]) 08:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC) |
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: I agree, it would be better to add Pashto-speaking or ] Pashtuns. ''']''' (]) 13:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Rahman Baba and Khushal Khan should also be removed, they're pictures are not even free anyways.] (]) 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:I disagree. ] and ] are 2 of the most famous early Pashtun writers. They can't be removed from there. ] (]) 08:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::Now, to bring the total back to 24, 4 new entries must be made. The gallery seems short of females, and of media personalities. I suggest adding ], ], ], and ]. Each of them has enough fame, is accepted as Pashtun, and is a native Pashto-speakers. Note: among them there are 2 famous persons coming from each side of the political border, for political neutrality. If any other user has a better suggestion, kindly discuss it here. ] (]) 08:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
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please remove shahrukh khan who is a kashmiri whose blood cousin testified it, saif ali khan is pathan and that too half hindu, put jan sher khan, jahangir khan, naghma, rahim shah, zeb and hania, there is no younis khan, majid kh but muhammad nabi is there , Saladin1987 05:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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Janghhair Khan is NOT Pashtun nor does he speak Pashto, i agree that Naghma should be added onto here, her husband is from Peshawar. ] (]) 21:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:::Who says that ] is even a Pashtun? Both names "Zarlasht" and "Sadat" are commonly and widely used by Tajiks (or I should say non-Pashtuns). This article is not intended for Pakistani Pashtuns or Pakistani nationalists, the same goes for Afghans... it is for English readers around the world who don't care who is famous among Pashtuns and who isn't. The basic Misplaced Pages rule is to add in the box notable Pashtuns, whether you like them or not. For example, those that are recognized around the world. Rahman Baba was just a writer who is glorified in Peshawar. I'm also a writer, should my image go there too? No offense but the Pashtuns of Pakistan are inferior when it comes to Afghan Pashtuns and they need to accept this fact. They have no fame outside their tribal area and that's their problem. If I'm wrong name one famous Pakistani Pashtun. Even Bacha Khan is Indian and he was anti-Pakistan all his life. Today Pakistan is forcefully deporting Pashtuns from Pakistan in front of your eyes in cold winter, a land where they were born. , . The non-Pashtun Pakistanis don't care, they treat all Pashtuns as terrorists and refugees, occupiers of their land and are driving them out of Pakistan. Yet, Pakistani Pashtuns don't even have a media person to show the world what is happening to them. They have absolutely no power or even voice in Pakistan. Yet, they come here pretending and faking it as if Pakistan is home of Pashtuns. Wake up stop living in delusion, Pakistani Pashtuns are uncomparable with Afghan Pashtuns. Entire Afghanistan is ruled by Pashtuns, they naturally deserve all the respect. Again, no offense intended but this is an educational site where we teach those who don't know anything.--] (]) 16:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC) |
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lol superior and refugees:), one thing is u need us we dont need u ..Saladin1987 14:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:No offense intended but to me every Pakistani living outside Pakistan is a refugee. That's what a refugee means (homeless). I could understand why people such as Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, etc, leave their country and it's due to wars imposed on them which is something beyond their control... but why do Pakistanis flee from their country in order to live in other people's countries?--] (]) 00:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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As an Afghan Pashtun, i think you are being WAY to hard on Pashtuns from the other side. Aslo. Zarlast is a pashto name, sadat is just a title. Both are used by Pashtuns and they are JUST names. Bacha Khan was not indian either, he is buried in Afghanistan. No offense but you are coming of with a bit of hatred. ] (]) 02:34, 11 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:I'm not coming here with hatred but information that many don't know. By the way, I don't give a shit who or what you are. Look up, you're the one who called them Pakis, that's the equivalent of shit heads. "Zarlasht" is a common Persian name. Pashtuns also use the name but as "Zarlashta", with an "a" in the end. "Sadat" is ethnicity in Afghanistan for people who claim to be of Arab origin. Bacha Khan was born as Indian in British India and he is known all over Pakistan as an anti-Pakistani. The reason he is buried in Afghanistan is because he wanted to be buried outside Pakistan.--] (]) 15:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC) |
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I would down tone on the cussing as it its against community rules to be rude to others. Again you are WRONG. Zarlasht is a Pashto name, i don't know any tajik or persian with that name nor have i ever met one with that name and if you were Pashtun you would know that but obviosuly you are not but some troll who hates Pakistani Pashtuns. I've seen your past comments on this thread and your very harsh against them. Pashtun parts of Pakistan were handed over to the british after the afghan-anglo war ended and by then Pashtuns on that side were already Afghan. Again, It doesn't matter where bacha khan was buried since he is seen as an important past figure for Pashtuns on both sides of the durand line. Regardless your opinions and comments are completly invalid on Pashtun issues. Thanks for your concern though. ] (]) 05:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:You also never saw God but does that mean He doesn't exist? Instead of wasting time with nonsense, search and learn something important. Don't worry about who I am or how I feel about certain people, why did you first call them Pakis and now defending them?--] (]) 00:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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This isn't about me but rather you and your problems with Pakistani Pashtuns. Maybe focusing on yourself first would be a better idea. ] (]) 23:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:It's about you because you came under and asked "Why is Sharkukh Khan, Madubala and Salim khan in the picture gallery? There is no proof that either one of them is pashtun..." It's undisputable fact that all three of these were ethnic Pashtuns. This, and after reading the rest of the conversation between you and Saladin1987, it proves that you and him are not here to contribute but rather destroy articles in order to promote nationalism. This is not allowed in Misplaced Pages and it will lead to blockage.--] (]) 14:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC) |
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I'm here to contribute to making this article better and protecting it from vandals like Saaladin but, all your good at is doing accusing me of vandalism and accusing me of nationalism. I can report you as well for false accusations and non-sensical edits. Also where is the proof that SRK, Salim Khan or Madubala are Pashtuns? A lot of Indians claim Pashtun ancestry to feel closer to Central Asia since they suffer from some kind inferiority complex. I noticed that images of Khushal Khan Khattak and Rahman Baba were removed which is sad since these figures were ACTUALLY Pashtun and not half breeds or claiming to be Pashtuns like your Indian Pathans. |
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For the record i can care less about saaladin, or even you. All i want is this article to be fair and unbiased. ] (]) 02:47, 31 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== madhubala or younis khan == |
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this article is dominated by afghan pashtuns who want to show their superiority to pakistani pashtuns by adding indian hindi speaker pathans and afghan dari speaker pashtuns but are not ready to put pakistani pashtuns in the article. can we have a concensus on whether madhubala which is not sure that she was a pashtun or a pashto speaker should be added or younis khan who is a well known pakistani pashtun cricketer and speaks pashto should be added. Thankyou i would appreciate if someone can add imran khan too as shahrukh khan saif ali khan and zarine khan is there though their pashtun status is not clear Saladin1987 14:49, 15 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:], a Pashto speaker of ]. She clearly qualifies for the article's imagebox because: (1) she was the first female Pashtun actor in major films that are watched all over the world; (2) her popularity was recognized in the United States, where Misplaced Pages is based; (3) she was from a place that is now in Pakistan; (4) she is a female and the imagebox lacks Pashtun females. I would simply put Younis Khan in the Sports's section, he doesn't qualify in the article's imagebox. It makes the article look silly. Consider the fact that entire Afghanistan's cricket team is made up of Pashtuns.--] (]) 00:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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that is an article written by a person who considers shahrukh a pashtun too while shahrukh cousin claims to be hindkowan kashmiri, Well if you have any sourced book or any authentic source which states madhubala was a pashto speaker, i would appreciate if you could present it or else the column should be filled with some other pashtun. Afghanistan cricket team is all pashtun but are an associate members.Then pakistani cricket team has 5 pashtuns at the moment Shahid Afridi, Yasir shah, Sohail khan, younis khan. Lets be fair , you should add some more pakistani pashtunsSaladin1987 10:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:We only go by what reliable sources report, everything else is considered farts, this is a very strict rule. The main reason we don't need 2 Pakistani cricket players in the same box is because there are too many Pashtun cricket players. By law, if a Pakistani refugees gets to be born in India, he/she is still a Pakistani. ] is considered a Pakistani by this defintion. Pakistan was born in 1947, a country that is 85% non-Pashtun and that's the reason we don't have many Pakistani Pashtuns in the box. The leaders in Pakistan are all non-Pashtuns. It would be better if we search for notable Pakistani Pashtuns who may be living in other countries, like in Europe, North America, Australia. They have to qualify though.--] (]) 14:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC) |
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lol still pakistani pashtuns are more than afghani pashtuns, this article is about pashtuns not afghan pashtuns. Better make an article for Afghan pashtuns. You havent even added imran khan etc anywhere but have added saif ali khan. lets reach a concensus through a third person not me and you. This time if you place madhubala withgout concensus, i will make sure that i will report you. Make concensus then apply madhubala or younis khan or jansher khan. When you talk about pashtuns or pathans in USA, UK, Pakistan its pakistani pashtuns. When you talk about afghans its mostly hazaras that they talk about. Saladin1987 07:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC) |
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Saladin, i see your still going at it eh? |
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Please don't fool yourself, your not going to get some kind of retribution here with all this complaining and whining. Also nobody in the Americas or Europe thinks about Pashtuns when Pakistan is mentioned, you may want to awake from this "khob" you've been sleeping in for so long. Your 27 years old, don't you have better things to do in your life? ] (]) 04:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== More Pakistani Pashtuns are to be added into the article == |
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Pakistan has the most pashtun population. In this article they seem to be least in numbers. People like imran khan, ayub khan, Jan Sher Khan, Younis Khan etc are ignored but Zarine khan, Saif ali khan and shahrukh khan are added who claim to be pashtun but have no information on their pashtun tribe. I would appreciate if someone could atleast add 2 more pakistani pashtuns anywhere in the article. this is absolutely not fair with this article if the article stays like this. I would appreciate your helpSaladin1987 08:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:{{yo|Saladin1987}} Would you like to back up every single fact of yours with some reliable sources? ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small> 15:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC) |
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now the article looks fine to me as they have added more pakistani pashtuns. thankyou all. Saladin1987 09:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:Salad, leave Salim Khan for the time being just so the imagebox is complete and until we find a Pakistani Pashtun's image like ] for example. He is a popular figure in South Asia and very much associated with Pashtun people.--] (]) 15:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', currently there are only 2 persons there born inside the potical entity of Pakistan (Shahid Afridi and Malala). The infobox surely needs at least one more of them for neutrality, and we can perhaps remove 1 post-1947 Afghan national for neutrality. I think removing Karzai or Khalilzad (or both) will help solve this problem. ] (]) 17:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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I am really tired of the editor Krazyhorse, he doesnt follow his policy of not adding non pashto speakers in infobox. he is continuing his policy of reverting my edits. Saleem khan is a non pashto speaker pashtun wannabe. According to salman his grandfather came from afghanistan but not even a single member of his family knows how to speak pashto and dari as proved by kadir khan who by blood is pashtun and speaks pashto proudly. This user krazyhorse has an agenda to promote Afghan and indian pashtuns but to ignore Pakistan Pashtuns especially people like ayub khan, imran khan, Raheem Shah, hamayun khan etc. I would appreciate if he can add 5 indian non pashto speaker pashtuns then we can surely add atleast 2 pashto speaking pakistani pashtuns too. This is a pashtun people article not afghan or indian people article. Saladin1987 21:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC) |
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== Mohammed Omar == |
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Shouldn't the leader of the Taliban insurgency, a Pashtun of the Hotaki tribe, be represented among the infobox collage of Pashtun people? ] (]) 04:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:First, his image is non-free (not allowed). Second, when there are many notable Pashtuns such as ] (famous Bollywood icon, who is also the father of ], ] and ]), there's no reason to add a self-proclaimed leader of Taliban, a militant group specifically fighting with Pashtun government and killing every year 1,000s of Pashtun civilians. Not to mention there's still no clear evidence as to who or what he is. On the other hand, Salim Khan and his family made positive contributions, numerous times they proudly mentioned their ] Pashtun tribe. About you, there's enough evidence for me to figure out that you're a Persian. No wonder why you keep visiting this article like a fly trying to ruin it. If you look at the edits from the date this article was first created until right now, only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns. These Persian and Punjabi sockpuppets all act like ], obviously they're the same hate-filled sock abusers.--] (]) 18:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::Putting Mullah Omar in infobox here is same as putting ] in the infobox of ] on the bases that Hitler was a Jew. --] (]) 18:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:::# Image is allowed if it has purpose to be shown. There is no One Image, One article policy, contrary to your belief. Why do you think you can put more then one Fair Use Rationale template under Licensing? |
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:::# You cannot speak for the Pashtun people or on behalf of the Pashtun people. Don't you even dare. You claimed that Afghans are all 'corrupt' , and if you'd know your history, you'd know that Pashtuns are the true Afghans, as 'Afghan' was historically a demonym for 'Afghan' and vice-versa. |
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:::# It's not up to you to decide who is worthy enough to be represented and who isn't. ] is shown in the ] page, while ] is shown in the ] page. The fact is that ] isn't only the head of the Taliban insurgency, but the former de-facto Afghan head of state. The former head of the Afghan nation. A member of the ] tribe of the ] tribal confederacy. These more then give him the eligibility to be shown in an article on Pashtuns. |
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:::# No, Mullah Omar never launched a program or a campaign to systematically destroy Pashtun culture or identity, therefore your comparison with Hitler and the Jews is completely wrong. To the contrary, the Taliban harnessed the code of honor known as ]. Maybe you could say this in terms of the Taliban abolishing ] under there rule, but I don't if that's a Pashtun custom or not. |
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:::# Civilian casualties are indiscriminate, the Pashtuns aren't the only one affected by either side. The inefficient Afghan government also has to bear responsibility for casualties inflicted in anti-Taliban operations. It's not as if a bullet fired from a Talib kills people but a bullet or rocket fired from an ANA soldier goes through Afghan civilians as if they are ghosts. Pashtun government? Are you kidding me? The government filled with a Tajik as ] and controlling the ]? A Hazara as ]? An Uzbek as ]? There's probably more non-pashtuns, these are the only ones I know of. Hey, good on them for obtaining such high positions in Afghan society, but this is no Pashtun government. And many of those men such as ] and perhaps ] are former warlords with humans rights abuses to their name. Afghanistan is no more stable or safe today then before the U.S invaded in 2001. So please, just stop with the Pro-Western Imperialism is a good thing nonsense. ] (]) 13:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::*You forgot to mention Pashtun ], the President of Afghanistan. For your information, Abdullah Abdullah (CEO) is Pashtun. The rest you named are unimportant. So the Afghan government is and has always been a Pashtun-led government. This article is about Pashtun people (an ethnic group) who are mainly found in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as in India, Iran, Arab countries, Europe, North America, Australia and so on. The article should cover all of that. Mullah Omar's true ethnic background is unverified. BBC writes that someone claims "he is from the Tomzi clan of the Hotak tribe." We don't even know what is Tomzi clan. His article cannot even agree on his true date and place of birth. Where he is supposed to be born (southern Afghanistan) is made up of a multi-ethnic society. Suppose he was born in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP), it doesn't mean he has to be Pashtun because there are also many non-Pashtuns living in KP. Anyway, that image of Mullah Omar is going to be deleted sooner or later as it doesn't qualify for fair use.--] (]) 15:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::::] is widely considered to be a ] , despite being mixed. I'm not surprised you don't know what Tomzi clan is ], becuase you know so very little about everything. You are no different to any whack conspiracy theorist who tries to deny anything that doesn't conform to the way you think. You don't believe the image shows Mullah Omar despite the sources: ,,, then I guess all these sources are just wrong becuase you, Misplaced Pages user ], say so. You don't think Mullah Omar is a Pashtun despite the sources proving otherwise, ,, , well I guess these sources are wrong becuase you, Misplaced Pages user ], say so. You don't believe Mullah Omar even exists, ok well then, I guess all the evidence to the absolute contrary ,, is all incorrect becuase Misplaced Pages user ] says so. You never show any sources proving to the contrary. You never prove your assertions. All you do is deflect the authenticity of these sources by adding half-ass excuses like this: ,,. Where are your sources ]? Oh and no, that image will stay and continue to stay on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 15:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::::::::"Pro-Western Imperialism is a good thing"? Let me say this while I exercise my '']'' that I disagree with many things the West is doing in the Middle East, like infesting a drone with secret spying equipments just so Iranians can capture it and then listen to what the Iranian intelligence say. American leadership views Iranian leadership as ].--] (]) 15:56, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Let me exercise my '']'' by acknowledging you're a joke on Misplaced Pages. I can't take you seriously. You're probably just some computer-program conjured up by a script kiddie to spread idiocy and troll on Misplaced Pages. Because, honestly, no ] being could be as f*ck*** stupid as you. ] (]) 16:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The infobox gallery should be a general representation of the ethnic group so as to help the readers to get a positive image and information about influencial personalities from among that group. It should not contain highly controversial or contentious characters, or those whose inclusion is not agreed upon.. ] (]) 17:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC) |
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The current religion section in the infobox includes Shias, Sikhs, and Hindus as Pashtun minorities. The supposed Hindu Pashtuns seem to be an isolated group of a few people who live in India, while the Sikh Pashtuns seem to be a few hundred people in Pakistan. Neither of these groups warrant inclusion in the infobox, as including them presents a misleading image of these groups being significant minorities among Pashtuns. You can find small groups of any religion among most ethnic groups. To compare to other groups - Kazakhs have about 40k Christians according to their Wiki page (a much greater proportion compared to the proportions of Sikhs/Hindu Pashtuns), yet their infobox simply says "predominantly Islam" for religion. Tajiks have 2,600 Christians according to their Wiki page, but the religion infobox lists only Sunni and Shia Islam. Uzbeks have 7k Zoroastrians, but the infobox simply lists "predominantly Sunni Islam". |
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== ] trying to make it an article based on his own analysis and completely biased against pakistani pashtuns == |
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That said, these groups are notable enough to remain in the article in the religion section, though not in the infobox. I propose changing the infobox to simply list "predominantly Islam", which covers probably about 99.99% of Pashtuns. ] (]) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sourced material removing reasons == |
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I am really tired of the editor ], he doesnt follow his policy of not adding non pashto speakers in infobox. he is continuing his policy of reverting my edits. Saleem khan is a non pashto speaker pashtun wannabe. According to salman his grandfather came from afghanistan but not even a single member of his family knows how to speak pashto or even dari as proved by kadir khan who by blood is pashtun and speaks pashto proudly. This user krazyhorse has an agenda to promote Afghan and indian pashtuns but to ignore Pakistan Pashtuns especially people like ayub khan, imran khan, Raheem Shah, hamayun khan etc. if he can add 5 indian non pashto speaker pashtuns then we can surely add atleast 2 pashto speaking pakistani pashtuns too. This is a pashtun people article not afghan or indian people article. |
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I accepted the last edits of this user as he added imran khan in the article but this time he is adding saleem khan but ignoring the likes of Ayub khan , raheem shah, hamayun khan, jan sher khan(world squash champion), Maria toorpakai wazir(World squash champion). I would request you to plz make this article bias free. ThankyouSaladin1987 22:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:We go by what sources say, not what you say or think. Don't waste my time, go edit your Awan and Punjabi articles.--] (]) 14:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Dear user, now you express your logical and reasonable reasons regarding the removal of sourced material in the article. Thank you! ] (]) 05:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:@] As I said, any further reverts would see an ANI report against you, which ]. It was up to you to discuss your edits a long time ago per ]. |
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Learn how to speak first, you are an uneducated Afghan which is pretty common amongst u. Dont waste my time and take your racism in ur own country which is a heaven at the moment MA.Saladin1987 18:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:Britannica is not WP:RS. ] (]) 05:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now. Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed. |
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::And I shouldn't stop editing, which is reasonable and legal by your faulty warning (any further reverts would see an ANI report against you). I have the same right to edit as you do and you should not behave like an administrator. Thank you! ] (]) 08:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::'''“You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now”''' |
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:::He had every right to revert you and take this to ANI when you didn’t stop edit warring. Per WP:ONUS, the burden is on you to attain consensus. You were supposed to cease from reverting to your preferred edit and take this to the talk page. |
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:::“The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.” |
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:::That means you in this case. Your trying to add content that got disputed by another editor, which means YOU have to build consensus, not Noorullah |
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:::'''“ Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.'''” |
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:::Respectfully, It doesn’t seem that you have a good grasp on how consensus works. You can’t just declare consensus because you think you’re right. You need to actually build it by discussing with the community. |
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:::So far you’ve been reverted by multiple editors, and nobody has come forward to support your position. That means you are far from reaching consensus. |
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:::For now you need to refrain from reverting and attempt to gain consensus through discussion here in the talk page. ] (]) 09:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Kushan not sakas == |
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:Hahaha, but it's a historical fact Afghans taught your ancestors how to read. ] from Afghanistan brought to your ancestors in Hindustan the Persian language with instructions how to live like humans. The national language of Pakistan (Urdu) is proof of that. In USA, Pakistanis took over the food truck business while Afghans are enrolled in the top universities. Since you live in isolated Australia, you wouldn't know that.--] (]) 06:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC) |
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The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. ] (]) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== image of salim khan or Ayub khan == |
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== Regarding the 1964 identity change == |
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this article is pretty biased against Pakistani Pashtuns. Although Pakistan has the largest pop still the representation of Pakistani Pashtuns is not reasonable. User Krazyhorse is a afghan nationalist who places self proclaimed pashtuns like saleem khan in infobox but removes men like ayub khan who is a well known pashtun of tareen tribe. The mistake of ayub khan is that he was Pakistani so he does not fit into the definition of Pashtun according to Afghan nationalist krazyhorse. He has been reverting my edits again and again and i have posted my situation in the talk page several times. But his behaviour has not changed. I wouldappreciate if this article could include Pashtuns according to their population and not according to personal favourites of Afghan nationalist or Pakistani nationalists. Infobox should be strictly kept for pashto speakers not the pashtun descent claimers. Saladin1987 18:21, 15 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Hi all, I was reading the intro section and read this section "They historically were also referred to as Afghans until 1964 after the term's meaning had become a demonym for members of all ethnic groups in Afghanistan" |
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::] is no Afghan or Pashtun, he's just some sad wannabee 'Afghanophile' who is trying to adopt an Afghan facade on Misplaced Pages, probably to satisfy a longing desire to call himself an Afghan or Pashtun without actually being one. This is why he chooses the internet to do this, as no one can prove to the contrary. However, no true Afghan would label Afghans as being 'corrupt' as ] has done here: ''"Afghans in general are corrupt and they exaggerate too much''" - ] (]) 10:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC) |
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This part seems strange to me. They were Ethnic Afghans in 1963 and lost that identity in 1964? Did no Pashtun outside of Afghanistan call themself Afghan after 1964? |
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:::Just because a person constantly edits articles pertaining to ] doesn't mean he is a wolf. No offense, but it's funny how people originating from Asia think. Sources clearly say that Salim Khan belongs to ] Pashtuns, I see no logical reason why this must be removed as Saladin often does. He is constantly pushing anti-Indian and anti-Afghan POVs everywhere and that is definately a quick blockable violation in Misplaced Pages. Not to mention edit-warring with everyone. I also suspect that he's abusing socks, from Australia. Whenever I have time I'll check to see this.--] (]) 00:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Are there any other cases of an ethnicities identity changing in the space of a year? ] (]) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
The current religion section in the infobox includes Shias, Sikhs, and Hindus as Pashtun minorities. The supposed Hindu Pashtuns seem to be an isolated group of a few people who live in India, while the Sikh Pashtuns seem to be a few hundred people in Pakistan. Neither of these groups warrant inclusion in the infobox, as including them presents a misleading image of these groups being significant minorities among Pashtuns. You can find small groups of any religion among most ethnic groups. To compare to other groups - Kazakhs have about 40k Christians according to their Wiki page (a much greater proportion compared to the proportions of Sikhs/Hindu Pashtuns), yet their infobox simply says "predominantly Islam" for religion. Tajiks have 2,600 Christians according to their Wiki page, but the religion infobox lists only Sunni and Shia Islam. Uzbeks have 7k Zoroastrians, but the infobox simply lists "predominantly Sunni Islam".
That said, these groups are notable enough to remain in the article in the religion section, though not in the infobox. I propose changing the infobox to simply list "predominantly Islam", which covers probably about 99.99% of Pashtuns. PatriarchMacbeth (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. 178.232.246.100 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I was reading the intro section and read this section "They historically were also referred to as Afghans until 1964 after the term's meaning had become a demonym for members of all ethnic groups in Afghanistan"
This part seems strange to me. They were Ethnic Afghans in 1963 and lost that identity in 1964? Did no Pashtun outside of Afghanistan call themself Afghan after 1964?
Are there any other cases of an ethnicities identity changing in the space of a year? 2A02:C7C:640:9F00:D07A:203:BB7A:F178 (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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