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| *For who I am, or was: ] and ]. Includes information on ; this is important because not all blocks are justified, and, if you can't take the time to read and comprehend a person's block log, including the clear edit summaries that are there, you shouldn't be commenting on it. More commentary on my blog log is (with input from an ] included) and (yes, the drama is drama-tastic). | |||
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| *Editing Misplaced Pages for many years can make a person grumpy, especially if that person edits a lot of contentious topics. I became grumpy like many other Wikipedians; for how that happened, see ] and ]. To be less grumpy, and resemble the optimistic, better-tempered editor I used to be, I've changed some ways that I edit these days. I was even ]. More power to those who have remained relatively the same despite the hostile environment that is Misplaced Pages. | |||
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| {{retired}} | |||
| *I ]. I also acknowledge a ]. Examples include me usually being right about ] matters. | |||
| Regarding ? Looking at all of ] and knowing I'd be subjected to similar, and how certain editors go all out to prove false narratives, I cannot deal with that. Like some editors (including ]) know, I am dealing with ] issues in the family. That is not something I just made up to get out of going through this "must take down Flyer" thing. It was happening before that, and it's gotten worse. I have a brother (not the one who edits here) in intensive care and a sister who was just put on a ventilator. I already lost an uncle to the virus. And editing here is supposed to help me take my mind off of stuff like that, not be subjected to as much stress and time-wasting that an ArbCom case entails. | |||
| I have said goodbye to editors here already. And I will say this before I leave: The argument from a few that ANI failed an editor because the admins are biased in my favor? Are we to honestly believe that I control all of these well-respected admins? They have their own minds and have disagreed with me before. They saw what they saw. So for this case to be accepted? It feels like this case would have been accepted regardless of the many requests to decline it. This case isn't about the private evidence -- material that I didn't write but am accused of writing. Material that was not passed on to me for scrutiny. None of the Arbs accepted the case on the basis of that "evidence", which speaks to just how immaterial it is. I acknowledge that I haven't always been the most civil. Editors on the case page noted that I work in areas where tempers flare. That's true. Editors accusing me of having been uncivil to them have also been uncivil to me at one point or another, often in the very discussions they've linked to. ] , "'''Arbcom is not a court, it's purpose is to stop ''current and sustained'' disruption of the project, not to punish users for things they may have done in the past.'''" But that is exactly what the request points to -- a free-for-all for anyone who has ever been in a heated dispute with me, with the added bonus of portraying my behavior as bullying, transphobic, or something else that it isn't. ]. Adhering to our policies and guidelines and expecting others to do the same is not bullying or being discriminatory. Criticisms are not automatically personal attacks. And commentary about what took place here at my own talk page can be seen ] with my "18:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)" post (scroll on down). | |||
| *], even though I likely will not press the person on it unless necessary. | |||
| The claim that I went after anyone at ] and made participation at WT:Med talk pages unbearable is false. For example, until the Medicine ArbCom case and I continued to support Doc James -- ]. These "just fine" interactions include stuff like , , , ], ], ], and that I am a fine editor for new medical editors to work with. I was never a problem at WP:Med. I have . And the only supposed instance of me being problematic there is ] that I was driving away a newcomer. As documented there with evidence, I criticized a newcomer for the same exact thing another editor criticized others for when it comes to adding quality sources. Like me, Girth saw no merit to the incivility claims leveled against me in that discussion. At the moment, I can only recall one other heated discussion I was involved in at WP:Med. And that is ] about the ] article. But it was just that -- a heated discussion. It was not me being a problem. And, indeed, because of my arguments there and ], the article was moved to its proper name and appropriately expanded. Disagreements over ], such as ] one in a collapsed box which started off by me suggesting that we discuss significant changes before we make them (and then getting the reply I did), ] one where I questioned removing guidance and ] previously involved editors who helped craft the current MOS:MED guideline (which is perfectly fine per ]), and challenging what were the "golden years" of WP:Med, does not equate to me being disruptive. | |||
| *] on the ] policy are commonly clear since ]. | |||
| That's all I have say. This is not how I wanted to leave Misplaced Pages. But with my own declining health, it was only a matter of time anyway. Take care. | |||
| *I support the ] policy, which concerns pedophiles, child sexual abusers, etc. editing Misplaced Pages; for my views on the matter, see ], and . | |||
| ] | |||
| ==Flowers for Flyer== | |||
| *For awards and gifts I've received, ranging from helping with popular culture, sexuality and anatomy topics, to writing and improving articles, to cooperation aspects, to protecting Misplaced Pages from disruptive editors, to other matters: ]. Two "I hate you" type of awards are also included, since I saw no reason to only include the positives. | |||
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| When in eternal lines to time thou grow'st: | |||
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| ==Goodbye== | |||
| '''If you leave a message here, I will usually reply here instead of at your talk page.''' | |||
| *Not what I wanted to wake up to. You take care of yourself; you and your families health is much more important than any drama that happens here. It has been a pleasure working with you and watching you work. Misplaced Pages has just lost one of their best editors. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the project over the years. You will be missed. ] ] 16:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *Yes, this truly sucks. Maybe after your health issues are resolved, and the drama dies down, you can come back. That will always be my hope. Take care, happy holidays, and best to you. ] (]) 17:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ==Archive== | |||
| *I am very sad to see you go. After losing editors like Doc James, and now you, how many highly valuable users must this ArbCom chase off the site? I think the essay about the problem of ]s aptly describes the situation: {{tq|As a result of the arbitration committee's failure to deal with these issues, the committee has effectively abdicated the responsibility for ensuring neutrality, verifiability, and other content standards to a few users...who patrol these articles and attempt to keep them free of disruption. These users are generally very knowledgeable about the subject and committed to Misplaced Pages's policies on proper sourcing and appropriate weight. Unfortunately, they tend to burn out....The patient ones tend to go more quietly. They become disillusioned by the never-ending problems and the lack of support from the Misplaced Pages community, and stop editing on these topics or quit the site entirely.}} That is what happened today - even though many more in the community do support you, as you saw. I also would have had plenty of diffs presented about how those few disgruntled users ganging up on you and pinging each other are in fact the problem. And as for how you are with newbies, the only reason I became a regular editor is because you were kind to me and I saw from your example that improving Misplaced Pages really was possible. '''Thank you for your many years of service and hundreds of thousands of edits.''' The topic of human sexuality, among many others, have benefited greatly. You should take great pride in all you've accomplished over the years. I hope you enjoy your retirement to the fullest degree possible. I also wish the best for you and your family regarding health and the other issues of life. The rest of us will undoubtedly step up our work to ensure continued quality in these areas. I hold out hope that one day you will choose to come back. If so, you will be warmly welcomed. Kind regards, <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007) | |||
| *{{ec}} I echo the comments made by {{u|Aircorn}} and {{u|Crossroads}}. I have worked with you on a few different articles and you have been extremely helpful and pleasant to contribute with. I wish you all of the best with your off-wiki situation and hope to see you back in the future. -- '''] ]''' 18:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007 | |||
| * I likewise echo the above sentiments. Thanks to you, I have learned so much about what it takes to improve as an editor and make productive contributions. I think your absence from Misplaced Pages will be a huge loss as I find your work on articles and your dedication to this site invaluable. This situation really sucks. You've been a guide for me on what a good, even-minded, well-sourced, and thoughtful contributions to a wiki looks like and I so appreciate all of the advice and guidance you have given me. I really hope you decide to come back one day. I am so sorry to hear about the health issues occurring with you and in your family. I will keep thinking of you and I wish only good things for you, Flyer. ] (]) 20:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008) | |||
| *''']'''--] (]) 21:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009) | |||
| *If this retirment is permanent, then I'll deeply miss you. Best wishes to you and your family either way. The sooner your health improves, the better. I know from experience how it can be very frustrating when things go badly on Misplaced Pages. Sometimes we just need to temporarily step away from it all before spending time on the site is enjoyable again. Hopefully you return at some point. No matter what follows in your future, know that you won't be forgotten. ] (] / ]) 00:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009) | |||
| * I'm very sorry to hear about your retirement and your health issues, Flyer. The door is always open to you should you choose to return to Misplaced Pages in the future. Best wishes, ] (] - ]) 03:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010) | |||
| * I miss you already. ] (]) 05:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011) | |||
| * At least the legacy of your 14 years of labour here will be improving the world's understanding for many decades to come. I'll say prayers for the health of yourself and your family. ] (]) 07:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011) | |||
| *Very sorry to hear the terrible health news. Please take care, best wishes, and thanks for all your great work. ] (]) 09:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 ) | |||
| *This news is just absolutely devastating. I have many women's articles on my radar but through the years as I've seen controversies come and go I've always known that we had the capable hands of Flyer to keep and restore our women-related articles to reflect a modern-day acceptance of the rights, the accomplishments, the history, etc. of women. Flyer easily falls into the top three leading editors when it comes to women. I pray that once Flyer's health problems are resolved she will return. Flyer is our very own Gloria, Florence, Rosie, Sojourner, Malala, and so many others who have had the persistence and the courage to speak out for women. ] (]) 17:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC) (PS, just so it's understood, like the rest of us Flyer does not walk on water! Re the MED sourcing disagreement, IMO Colin and Waid were right.) ] (]) 16:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3) | |||
| * You were one of the first editors I remember encountering on here when I first started editing many moons ago, and I've always been blown away by the heart and dedication you've poured into your contributions. If there's one thing I've always known about you, it's that your motives were always clear and never hidden. Though we may have disagreed at times, I never doubted that you always had WP's best interests at heart. No single editor can fill the gaping hole left behind in the wake of your departure. You will be sorely missed. May God bless you and your family during these difficult times. --] (]) 17:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012) | |||
| * This makes me so sad. You are one of our finest and our best. I can't bring myself to write that in the past tense. Take good care of yourself, Flyer, and come back to us whenever you're ready. As the Quakers say, I will hold you and your family in the Light. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 01:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013) | |||
| *Very sad to see WP lose a fine editor who contributed with a lot of heart and soul. I read enough of the discussion to come to the conclusion that you were railroaded. Best wishes and hope you return. ] (]) 02:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013) | |||
| *I feel terrible reading about your experiences with the virus, it's nightmarish that this is happening to anyone, let alone someone so recognizable to many people. We did not interact a lot but I've seen you tons of times and I'm well aware that you've done great work for Misplaced Pages. I'm also saddened to learn that you have had to deal with ANI issues and conflicts here on the site. Misplaced Pages will be worse off with you gone, but the most important thing is for you to make sure to do what's best for you and those close to you.] (]) 05:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013) | |||
| * I am very disappointed to see you leave, Flyer. As more editors like you leave the project Wikpedia will slide further into advocacy. Unfortunately ArbCom doesn't seem to appreciate that by accepting the case they would be perpetuating the harassment you are experiencing. Being put on trial and having to defend yourself is a stressful experience, and nobody should be put through that unless there is clearly a problem. I think they have been too quick in accepting the case. ArbCom should review the three ANI cases first and only take on the case if they feel that those cases arrived at the incorrect conclusions. I hope your family's fortunes pick up over Christmas. ] (]) 15:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014) | |||
| *We were never buddies, Flyer, but I greatly admire and respect the enormous responsibility you took over having our most contested and vandalized gender & sexuality articles on your Watchlist. An ArbCom case doesn't inevitably lead to sanctions but being a participant in a case proceeding can be taxing. Having lost my last aunt & uncle to COVID-19 this spring, my thoughts are with your family. Take a break from Misplaced Pages if this is stressful and tend to more important matters. But come back when this plague has lifted because the project needs you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 03:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (May 6, 2014 - May 27, 2014) | |||
| *Flyer, it definitely sounds like you need and deserve a break from the grind here. I hope you are able to put the Arbcom nastiness and drama from your mind and focus on the real life things that really matter. I hope your family members get better and that you stay safe. Hang in there. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 07:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (May 29, 2014 - September 21, 2014) | |||
| *Best wishes for your family's COVID troubles, I'm so sorry to hear it. I hope taking a break will help with the stress. ] (]) 15:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (September 20, 2014 - December 30, 2014 ) | |||
| *Best wishes for you and your family. You have been failed by two communities now, and that sucks, but I hope that both improve and we'll see you around again. [[User:Eggishorn|<span style="background-color: | |||
| *] (December 31, 2014 - April 3, 2015 ) | |||
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| *] (April 3, 2015 - July 14, 2015; this archive has a lot of ] material, especially ] material) | |||
| #FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span>]] ] ] 19:42, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (July 17, 2015 - October 23, 2015) | |||
| * So very sad to see you go. I hope you and your family are well. This website has treated you terribly and over the years I've been witness to the number of times, by virtue of the areas you edit in, you have been harrassed or wikistalked, and it's very sad to see this final straw. I don't think we deserve you back; what you do deserve is a wonderful time in the real world :). Yours --] (]) 22:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *] (October 24, 2015 - January 3, 2016) | |||
| *I have not interacted with you, but I have seen your name here and there, and I am extremely disappointed to see another valued and principled editor leave the project, especially in this nasty/drama way. I admire greatly editors who roll their sleeves up and do the difficult work for the good of the encyclopedia. I hope that you are able to take a break, look after your family and come back to us when all is well again. Family comes first. ] (]) 07:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm sure I don't have to tell how personally grieved I would be if you left and didn't return. And also what a blow it would be the Misplaced Pages, and by extension the world. I'm sorry all this happened. I hope you change your mind. ] (]) 12:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *Hi Flyer. We interacted a few times over the years. I have not been very active on Misplaced Pages during the past couple of years due to multiple issues, but I have always admired your work and dedication to improve Misplaced Pages. Best wishes to you and your family. ] (]) 03:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I only just noticed your retirement now. Thank you for all that you've done for Misplaced Pages and although this is a well deserved break I hope that you eventually consider editing again in better circumstances. Farewell, —]] – 17:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Too young to go. I don't know you personally, but I saw you many times at the Anatomy project talk page. You always tried to brush-up difficult pages (e.g. sex organs). I respect your efforts. Thank you and rest in peace. (or edit more at WikiHeaven!) --] (]) 13:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * I can't believe this happened. I know we didn't interact much, but thank you for being with us on Misplaced Pages all these years. Goodbye friend. My condolences to the friends and family of Flyer22 Frozen. ] (]) 20:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In recognition of all you have done. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC) | ||
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| Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I don't get what your discussion is talking about. --] (]) 02:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="font-size:1.65em; padding:0; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Working Woman's Barnstar''' | |||
| :], regarding , I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you; I was simply pointing you to ] because how the guideline should be applied is being discussed and reevaluated there. ] (]) 19:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For all of your dedication to helping improve this site for over a decade, I feel you deserve some props. I feel very grateful for how we crossed paths and know I'm far from the only one who values your contributions. ] (] / ]) 00:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
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== Comment == | ||
| Wiki MUST change the arbitration system. Maybe do it in private in the beginning and then open it up for comment before decision making. Sorry for my outburst on your talk page. I am just a simple editor. ] (]) 04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Could you please refrain from changing my edits they are all factually correct ] (]) 21:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Best wishes== | |||
| :{{tps}} What edits are those, exactly? You ] prior to {{diff2|699032201|your having vandalized this Talk page}}. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">]</span> <sup>''] ''</sup> 21:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer22, I'm not at all caught up (like maybe 1 percent), but I still wanted to first and foremost extend my best wishes to you and your family and to your collective health. | |||
| :A candle among roses | |||
| ::Going by and , it's clear that Brownkidneys meant the edits to the ] article. Brownkidneys is now indefinitely blocked anyway. ] (]) 23:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :In the evening garden | |||
| :A shooting star | |||
| :A flash of the moon's gown | |||
| :A spark of the sun's hem | |||
| :In syncopated eclipse | |||
| :Emissary of day | |||
| == Regarding RfC == | |||
| :In night's dark kingdom | |||
| :Unseen at home | |||
| :Lucid in exile | |||
| :Opposite of the moth | |||
| :The firefly is light | |||
| :<small>--]</small> | |||
| I have a request for the RfC section of ]. Rather than three sections, one for "Don't use in-text attribution", one for "Use in-text attribution", and one for "Provide additional information", I propose we remove the "Don't use..." subsection. Not only is this confusing by requiring the commentators to comment twice, one possibly resulting in a double-negative, but also supporting "Provide additional information" and opposing "Don't use..." can be contradictory. I am not opposed to ''not'' using in-text attribution, I am only in favor of using it. Since I would be happy with alternatives to in-text attribution (as mentioned) I am not opposed to the negative, if that makes sense, Can we please change this to a standard, single-question format "Should we use in-text attribution for this statement...?" or something along those lines. Then the comments are clear: support, opposed, or other. ] (]) 00:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| All the best, ] 08:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :I think is fine. Editors commonly vote more than once in RfCs, including in this The current format for the aforementioned RfC at the Campus sexual assault article addresses all the points, and it has one section for proposals and one section for further (general) commentary; it will make it easier for the closer to assess than having one or more jumbled sections; I state that after having taken the time to watch a lot of RfCs. Can you just let the RfC play out instead of debate this as well? ] (]) 01:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I think the light is gone out. ] ] 11:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, I would have granted your wish to remove "Don't use in-text attribution," but ] already voted there. I would remove "Use in-text attribution," but leaving the "Don't" heading without the "Use" heading seems biased to me, like I'm presenting "Don't" as the main or sole option, even though people can obviously add "oppose" there and there are the other sections. So, at this, point, it's best to just let editors vote once or twice if they want. ] (]) 01:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. ] (]) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sad news indeed. She did so much amazing work here. Created high quality and needed content in a very difficult topic area. She will be impossible to replace and will be much missed by many. ] (] · ] · ]) 14:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I maybe should have added a "Use or don't use in-text attribution" heading instead of the individual "Don't" and "Use" ones; this way, editors can simply state "Use" or "Don't use." I could still do that, if ] doesn't mind changing her "Support" vote to "Don't use." But still...some would argue that the separate sections are cleaner. ] (]) 01:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's not my intention to start another debate. I didn't think it was a contentious request. The current formatting is very unusual in my opinion. Generally it's either yay or nay, not yay to the pro, nay to the con. At least in the US, ballots are also framed in the affirmative, i.e "Should we do this?" not "Should we not do this?". Plus my position has never been opposed to -not- using in-text attribution (see how tricky the double-negative is?) I intended to inform Kaldari that we may change format, but got pulled away earlier. If we can't reach them to re-comment, I see no reason we can't consider that opposed. ] (]) 05:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::It is my opinion the RfC !voting space was indeed very poorly organised. Having to support and oppose several points in the same RfC is indeed very impractical, which is why I only !voted once. I won't attribute any blame; what's done is done; but let this be a lesson for future RfC syntax and structure. We want to make the process as simple as possible, not convolute discussions into the absurd. Best, <small>]</small> ]; ] 19:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::] (FoCuS), there was no obligation to vote more than once, just like there is no obligation to vote more than once in a RfC made up of '''Support''' and '''Oppose''' headings, which is a common RfC setup. ] (]) 19:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Extra note about this is . ] (]) 21:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == hey you == | |||
| you are a jackass for taking my edit back. Howard Stern created the features of iowa. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :I don't think he did, but I appreciate the jackass compliment. ] (]) 22:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::LMAO! Sorry Flyer if I step off the reservation a bit. I know ] | |||
| ] (]) 15:55, 30 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == I could use a hand == | |||
| I think I might need a character witness. RGloucester started a thread complaining about Dicklyon and myself over at . It was promptly hijacked by SMcCandlish with a long screed of accusations, half-truths and non-truths. I could use someone to put in a word for me. None of the admins will answer any of my questions or requests for specifics. | |||
| If you're not comfortable with this, I get it. If you go over there and say you agree with what SmC has to say, I get it. ] (]) 20:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], since I have a good history with you and a decent history with SMcCandlish (though SMcCandlish and I have exchanged heated words with each other before), that is putting me in a difficult situation. I'd rather hang on to my good or decent Misplaced Pages relationships. But I'll assess the matter and try to weigh in. ] (]) 20:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Probably best if you don't get involved, then. Like I said, I get it. I don't want to put you in between two people with whom you get along. I just wish I could get the admins to talk to me. ] (]) 20:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::That particular threesome has given me fits at times as well, and this is quite a typical pattern. Don't let them ] you into blowing up at them, try to stay focused on content. SMc sometimes settles down, given time. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Good words, those. Clarification requested, though, {{ping|Montanabw}}, are you including me in the threesome or talking about someone else? I'm collecting constructive criticism on my conduct. (I must ask you not to initiate discussion of the issue from which I am banned, though.) ] (]) 23:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No, you were on the wrong side of the other three, they tend to run in a pack, though I don't know if they actually coordinate or just have overlapping interests. I'll ] that they just have overlapping interests, but see ]. That said, you are where you are now because you bit on the bait and dug in on a no-win situation. Which sucks for you and I wish I'd seen this post sooner. My only advice is that I've decided long ago to choose my battles, not go into the big ones (and all MOS-related topics are big ones) without backup and allies (but we can't ] -- which really means "learn how to alert people without breaking the rules" -- meh). Avoid the dreaded topic totally and on other things, develop a sense of when to walk away and how far... on some things I just bide my time until conditions are right for change, but on other things (and the MOS is often one of them), I know I probably will never win and so I just sigh and drop the stick (but still keep the topic on my watchlist). I've dug in and fought where it was not just a matter of style but also of functionality across wiki (infoboxes, navboxes), but even there the victories are incomplete. My motto is "] - but if you try sometimes you just might get what you need." ;-) ]<sup>]</sup> 02:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Thanks for the information. I'd definitely agree with most of what you're saying about picking battles, but from my perspective I was already doing that. I guess the admins think I wasn't doing it enough (and I hate to guess). | |||
| :::::::As for canvassing, I specifically asked whether I was allowed to call witnesses at the general AN noticeboard. I got shut down with no answer one way or another, so I hazarded a guess. I hate to guess. ] (]) 03:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == List of Supercouples listed at ] == | |||
| ] | |||
| An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ]. Since you had some involvement with the ''List of Supercouples'' redirect, you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 21:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == A new season is upon us == | |||
| Hello F. I hope that you are well and that your 2016 is off to a good start. The third season of ''Black Sails'' is two days away and I hope that you are looking forward to it as much as I am. Do you think they will ever show us the meeting between Long John Silver and his - a real groaner of a joke I know but I couldn't resist. Cheers. ]|] 23:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == RfC note ANI == | |||
| ] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding your note on Campus Sexual Assault RfC. The discussion is about the topic ]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 22:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ] ] (]) 22:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Insects-vegetarianism == | |||
| I already left a message in the talk section. Im waiting for your explanation on why it doesnt make sense. ] (]) 22:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == FB == | |||
| Flyer, may I have your facebook ID address to communicate for? ] (]) 05:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], no. I'd have to trust the Misplaced Pages editor a lot before I revealed my real-life identity to that editor. There are very few I trust with such information. And given the sensitive topics I edit and the stalkers I have (a number of which are sick individuals), it is vital that I am only known as "Flyer," "Flyer22" or "Flyer22 Reborn" on Misplaced Pages. Any Facebook identity I provide to a Misplaced Pages editor I do not trust as much as that would not be my true Facebook identity. ] (]) 05:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| howdy. i created the article above today, and thought it might interest you... ] (]) 05:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Invitation on a proposal == | |||
| You're invited to discuss a proposal ] regarding film production section issues. ] (]) 16:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Heads up on an edit I made to the Fellatio article. == | |||
| {{strikethrough|I tried to introduce "both" into the bits concerning it being pleasurable for participants. Using "participants" is a great way to keep it gender/sexual identity neutral, but adding both caps that off by being clearly role-neutral. | |||
| I also de-gendered the part about it potentially leading to orgasm. If you read that part with two anatomically male participants in mind, it became meaningless. If you read it as someone who has a penis and does not identify as male it became offensive. | |||
| Let me know if you think I did a reasonable job. If I screwed it up real bad, I'd appreciate hearing that as well. | |||
| Thanks a bunch,}} | |||
| ] (]) 21:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I see that you are an editor I and others had suspicions about: ]. Whatever your background with Misplaced Pages, I won't dwell on that anymore. you made to the ] article is fine (mostly), but the "and may lead to ] and ] of ] for males" was simply stating fact. Notice that it stated "may," not "will." It was not excluding ] or ] (non-binary) people. Furthermore, if a genderqueer person has a penis, ] is still an aspect of the penis; that will not go away because of how that person identifies. In the case that the "for males" part may offend a ] who has not undergone genital reconstructive surgery, the wording was not a ] violation. None of the wording you changed was a WP:Offensive material violation. The "for males" part was there because rarely does fellatio lead to orgasm for the person performing fellatio. People usually need physical sexual stimulation of the penis or clitoris to orgasm. So I will go ahead and change the "may lead to ]" part to "may lead to ] for the receptive partner." Also keep in mind that while I do keep transgender people and non-binary people in mind for some edits I make here at Misplaced Pages, and I at ], I am also clear (was clear in that discussion) that Misplaced Pages should go by what the sources state with ]. The vast majority of people do not identify as genderqueer or non-binary. On a side note: "both participants" instead of "participants" might offend those who insist that we shouldn't indicate sexual activity as necessarily being a two-partner thing; yes, I've encountered those type of editors as well (the ones who emphasize the possibility of ] or other forms of ]). ] (]) 23:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::<small>{{tps}} {{tq|"Heads up"}} about ]... rofl! ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 23:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :: I'd like to respectfully strike from the record my seeking your counsel. ] (]) 15:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::], I don't know why you felt the need to strike through, but, in the future, it would be better for you take such a matter to the article talk page than to an editor's talk page. ] (]) 22:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Reverting Edits/Dummy accusations== | |||
| Hello there sir or madam. Please do not reference my page to other accounts or make blatantly false accusations. I started this account over a year ago after abuse of a specific authors page was left unchecked. I rarely comment or make occasional changes on wikipedia. Someone blanked the man's page close to a month ago citing a similar policy with no protests. If this is not the case then the other has been left alone due to lack of interest or your favoritism to one page over the other. But both must be equal in that respect if policy has changed. Thanks!! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{User|Jobes38}}, so if I report you as a sock of {{User|Stuke2}} in a ], and a ] is ran on both of your accounts, the report will come back negative for you two being the same person? Your edit histories show otherwise. Stuke2, you want to comment here at my talk page about this too? ] (]) 23:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Hi there {{User|Flyer22 Reborn}}, it seems that you've stumbled on an old inactive account of mine. I am not even sure the name is registered anymore, but I think I know a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter my work. I am not sure if it can be deleted permanently or not or password changed. Just ignore them at this time, their pulling your leg. I know exactly who to contact in this case. Hopefully there were no frivolous interruptions. Also, I did note later today that the "Man's" article had their group pic deleted and a discussion seems to be ongoing on their talk page. I went ahead and placed it back up until a decision can be made for all pages as it seems like the standard practice after reading the discussion pages brought to my attention by {{User|PeterTheFourth}} on the matter. Let me know if thats the case or if it indeed needs to be taken down anyway, (seems like it was for almost a month). Again thanks for the notice my friend!! Take care :) ] (]) 00:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], the Jobes38 is not inactive anymore, as you know, and I cannot buy your excuse since you've attributed that account to being "a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter work." I will report this matter in a WP:Sockpuppet investigation if someone does not beat me to it first, or if a ] watching my talk page doesn't go ahead and run the check. But on the slim chance that you are telling the truth, see ]. ] (]) 00:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::See ]. ]<sub>(])</sub> 01:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Thats unfortunate you feel that way. But you do what you think is necessary. Beyond changing the password and leaving such account theres nothing else that I can do. Unless deletion is possible. It seems that others have used such an account to play games on similar articles which was started in response to an edit war on an article of Michael Reagan (by a user that was banned). Thats all I can say. Farewell.] (]) 02:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == A barnstar for you! == | == A barnstar for you! == | ||
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| == A proxy with disruptive edits == | |||
| {{user precious|header=child protection|thanks=, user with significant knowledge in the ]/]/]/] fields, for quality unbiased articles on these topics, such as ] and ], for explaining {{diff|Sexual orientation|519445357||edit summaries}}, for your firm stance on child protection, for your collection of vandalism moments, -}} | |||
| Hi Flyer. {{User|81.100.25.101}} deleted multiple-sourced content from ] by using "false edit summaries" to fool editors. The contents of sources obviously CONTRADICT with the edit summary of the ip. It is clear that the ip is not here to contribute. Can you warn him/her? (I do not know whether you are an admin or not) Regards...] (]) 15:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| You are recipient no. ] of Precious, a prize of ]. --] (]) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Nothing to add but that you were unique - dealing bravely with topics others would not dare to touch - and you will be missed and remembered. --] (]) 15:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==Rest in Peace== | |||
| ::I have reported him on ]. Thank you, Flyer. ] (]) 19:22, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Reading of your passing is sad news. You did so much to improve and protect the project. You will be sadly missed here and, I feel sure, in real life. My deepest condolences to your family and friends. ]|] 15:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I am truly sadden by this news. Fly was my friend! I first met her back in 2014, while working on ], a soap opera article we brought to FA--at the time, the sixth and the third FA about a soap character. Fly was a polarizing figure here on WP (you either loved her or well, didn't love her), but she always treated me with respect and kindness. We supported each other and were always there for each other. I was always appalled about how factions of WP treated her. She was a dedicated and passionate editor. I loved her and will miss her, and WP (and the world) will be a much, much sadder place without her. My condolences to her family. ] (]) 16:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Documenting BlueUndigoiFucker stalker == | |||
| == Sad cat == | |||
| Made this section to document of mine here at my talk page. ] (]) 19:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| Latest account (that I know of) was {{User|BlueUndigo10Fucker}}. ] (]) 19:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;">]</abbr> —]] – 16:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| {{clear}} | |||
| == Rest in peace == | |||
| {{User|BlueUndigo12FuckerFlye}}. ] (]) 20:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Goodbye Flyer22. You will be missed. :( ] (]) 16:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I miss you, Flyer. My deepest condolences to your family for the loss of someone who was clearly a very special and caring person. I made a donation today to Oxfam Canada to honour you and to give myself hope that the work you have done for women and children will somehow continue. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::The stalking is strong in that one. ] (]) 20:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| * I don't recall working on any specific article with Flyer (I'm more a friend of a friend) - but I always respected what they had to say, and I CERTAINLY appreciate all the hard work they put in here at Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry to see this, and I offer my condolences to friends and family of someone who I viewed as a very good person. Rest well Flyer. ] (]) 17:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{User|BlueUndigoiFucker1Flyer22}}. Sure this section may be giving him the attention he craves, but he'll be stopped every time anyway. ] (]) 09:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{collapse top|Ave Maria}} | |||
| Ave Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| ::{{User|BlueUndigoi7FuckerFlyer22}}. ] (]) 22:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Maria, gratia plena, | |||
| ::{{User|BlueUndigoiFucker20}}. I also considered that one of my other stalkers has probably found this funny and has impersonated BlueUndigoi at some point. I've had ]. ] (]) 19:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ave, Ave, Dominus, | |||
| Dear ] - In case you are not aware of his original identity, this is the guy . | |||
| Dominus tecum. | |||
| Best regards, --] (]) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus, | |||
| == How to set "preferences" for "signature"? == | |||
| Hi, there: You suggested that I change my signature so that it is linked to my "talk page". But I have no idea how to do it. Could you tell how I can set it on my "preferences" page? Thank you. --] (]) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Et benedictus fructus ventris (tui), | |||
| :{{tps}} - Hey there {{reply to|Roland Longbow}}! A step-by-step is: | |||
| #Click on , it's at the top of all Wiki pages while you are logged in. | |||
| #Once in your "Preferences", scroll down to the "Signatures" section. | |||
| #Copy-and-paste the following text into the text box in the "Signatures" section; <code>Roland</code> and make sure that the "Treat the above as Wikimarkup" is '''not''' clicked/on (no tick in box) | |||
| #Save the change | |||
| #Come back here and say; <code>{{tlx|u|Drcrazy102}}, you are a friggin' genius, here's my bank account details in gratitude: </code> | |||
| :If that somehow fails to work, then you have larger problems to cope with and should just ask at ]. They'll probably have some back-door-esque access to your settings and could change it for you. Anyway; Cheers, ] in ] of ] 05:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ventris tui, Jesus. | |||
| :: It seems it works now. --] (]) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ave Maria! | |||
| :::Dang, I was hoping for them deets. {{smiley|wink}} No worries then, just remember to sign talkpage posts and comments, but not article edits. Cheers, ] in ] of ] 06:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, | |||
| Given your extensive work throughout Misplaced Pages, and throughout articles related to ]s, I figured you'd want to be pointed out to a problem happening at Will's page, and its talk page. One user has made mass-changes to the Will article that both myself and {{User|Jester66}} have reverted back to its original edits; the user has insisted on ] these issues, and has ignored their talk page discussion to continue these edits. I've made a report for their violation of the ] but, I don't know if anything will be done about it. Figured you'd be a nice match for this discussion and problem. '''<small style="font-size:85%;">]</small>{{#if:]||]}}''' <small style="font-size:85%;">]</small>{{#if:]||]}} 15:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, | |||
| == Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. == | |||
| ] | |||
| This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the ] regarding a previous discussion about this same topic in recent times and your input and discussion would be appreciated. Please remember to ], not contributors. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "]".The discussion is about the topic ]. | |||
| Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!<!--Template:DRN-notice--> | |||
| Ora, ora pro nobis; | |||
| Yeah, yeah, ] and all that.{{smiley|wink}} Cheers, ] in ] of ] 00:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ora, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, | |||
| :], the current big dispute regarding this is at ]. A ] for it is . ] (]) 01:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Nunc et in hora mortis, | |||
| ::I am not notifying ''that many'' editors; that is '''way above''' my "pay"-grade. I'll ask some of the other Volunteers about this then. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, ] in ] of ] 01:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| In hora mortis nostrae. | |||
| == A Question about ]'s page == | |||
| In hora, hora mortis nostrae, | |||
| Hello, I was wondering why the section of his early life was removed? ] (]) 11:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| In hora mortis nostrae. | |||
| :Hello, ]. I after reverting : ] concerns. Read that policy for what I mean. Having unsourced career information gets more leeway than unsourced early life and personal life information. ] (]) 00:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ave Maria! | |||
| ::Ah, thank you {{reply|Flyer22 Reborn}}. I wasn't quite sure. ] (]) 07:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{cob}} | |||
| *''<u>no words to express</u>''--] (]) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *You will be missed my friend. Love.]] 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == The power & control dynamic in child abuse == | |||
| == Thank-you, Flyer == | |||
| I did ] covering the power and control dynamic in various abusive contexts but can see nothing relevant to this in ], ] or ]. This seems like a major oversight.--] (]) 13:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| :. And I know that I have to fix up the Child grooming article, since apparently no one else is going to do it. I need to add sources to that article before someone else starts cutting relevant material there. And I'm currently involved in an RfC at the Child abuse article: ]. ] for it is . ] (]) 17:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == A page you started (Lexa (The 100)) has been reviewed! == | |||
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| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Special Barnstar''' | |||
| Thanks for creating ], Flyer22 Reborn! | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Flyer, so much of it is thanks to you that I was able to develop and improve as an editor over the years -- not simply on Misplaced Pages but on other wikis as well, in addition to many collaborative efforts building shared documents. When I returned to Misplaced Pages and asked you a question on your talk page, you were so kind, welcoming, and helpful, and I felt 100% better about my return. I can't tell you how much I appreciated your guidance on Misplaced Pages matters. Over the years, whenever I saw you were involved with an article on Misplaced Pages, I felt that much more secure with the veracity and quality of that article. Your passing represents an immeasurable loss for Misplaced Pages as well as all the editors you've guided and helped in their development. ] (]) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Misplaced Pages editor ] just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you: | |||
| <blockquote>I enjoyed your article about Lexa (the 100). You obviously put a lot of time into it. You may wish to adds some sources in the season two section. However, otherwise it looks very good.</blockquote> | |||
| To reply, leave a comment on Garagepunk66's ]. | |||
| <small>Learn more about ].</small> ] (]) 06:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], thanks for reviewing the article; I'm glad you enjoyed reading it and that you appreciate the work I put into it. I wrote it partly because I like the character and partly because it's been a long time since I created a Misplaced Pages article and I wanted to see how that felt again (to be the old Flyer22 but improved when it comes to knowledge of article writing on Misplaced Pages and its rules). I , because, like I stated, the article's format is in line with ]. And, per ], plot sections usually do not need inline citations. For a recent discussion about whether or not to use inline citations for plot sections, see ]. Some editors would, but I'm usually not such an editor. I , however, when adding that plot section that it needs work and that I copied it from ]. I don't care how much of that section is cut; what is there now is a little much for a recurring character. So maybe ] would be willing to cut the plot section? If so, feel free to cut away Popcornduff (if you don't mind being spoiled on the show). | |||
| :On a side note: Garagepunk66, I signed your above post. ] (]) 07:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm flattered to be asked! :) But unfortunately as I know nothing about this show, I don't think I'm in a position to assess what's worth keeping and what's worth cutting. Definitely looks way too long though. ] (]) 07:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oh, c'omn, ], as seen at ], you managed with not remembering much about the '']'' plot. I believe in you. But, seriously, thanks for considering it. ] (]) 07:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The MGS plot summary, overlong as it was, served as enough of a reminder for me refamilarise myself with the story... but in this case I'd be totally in the dark. Sorry! ] (]) 07:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::One suggestion: you could make each paragraph about each episode a subsection, using the episode titles as subheaders. That would help fight the "wall of text" appearance and make it more readable. Having worked as a technical writer and interface designer, I can tell you from experience that there's tons of evidence that breaking up long sections into paragraphs with clear headings makes readers much happier, and much more likely to actually read your page. ] (]) 08:01, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Regarding not cutting the plot section, that's okay. You should give the show a try, though. It might at first seem like another teen show, but it quickly turns into so much more than that. Reviewers are right that it's an underrated show. Furthermore, ] (the main character) is now 18 or 19, and so are the other teenagers. So it's more of an adult show. I'm glad I binge-wacthed it sometime last year. Like David Griffin of ScreenRant , "With all the talk of comic book franchises lately, perhaps ''The 100''’s lack of superheroes is somehow detracting from what has become one of the more entertaining shows currently running on television. So, why haven’t you given this show a try?" He's also right that "the first couple of episodes of the series are its weakest." | |||
| :::::As for headers in the section, you mean pseudo-headings (])? If you mean actual headings, that would be a lot of headings for that relatively small section, and I generally dislike headings for a little bit of content. That many headings in a plot section also puts the section more at risk with getting tagged with ]. I could easily break up what's there into shorter paragraphs, though. In two cases there, I stuck two episode summaries together to save room. I could also use ] if we really want to add a lot of subheadings to that section. ] (]) 08:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I the two aforementioned paragraphs. I'm expecting people to edit that plot section significantly since that's the main thing our readers pay attention to, or rather edit, when they visit our articles on fictional topics. With them filling in stuff, I was planning to cut the excess fat that way. But I might go to cutting it before that point. ] (]) 08:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I cut a lot with , and tweaked matters, after actually reading all of that. What I left in is mostly needed for context. ] (]) 09:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I meant real headings (H3s in this case I guess?). IMO here they're totally justified because you have quite a large amount of text per episode, and it makes the page much more digestible. But this isn't a page I'm invested in so feel free to ignore that suggestion ;) ] (]) 09:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::What's there now are decent-sized paragraphs (on my laptop screen, which I admit is a bit wide), with maybe the exception of the "Long Into an Abyss" paragraph. Some are smaller than others. To me, a section is not needed for each of those paragraphs. The two subheadings for the seasons seem like enough. I think most readers, if they want to read the plot section, can get through the season 2 section without feeling like it's "too long; didn't read." And, of course, the season 3 section is just one small paragraph. I'll see what more I can cut, but I think I cut just about all I can validly cut from that section, significantly-wise anyway. ] (]) 09:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| '''Note to self''' (spoiler-ish for others who click on the following links): So much controversy surrounds this character now, as indicated by , and , and numerous other edits made to the article since I created it. I will eventually add information to the article on that; hopefully, sooner than later. But at the moment, my fingers are sore. ] (]) 00:47, 8 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :That third edit is a ] violation, and should probably be ]. ] (]) 00:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock advice == | |||
| Just out of curiosity, since you've dealt with many socks, what additional advice could you offer in regards to SPIs and tracking down sockpuppetry? I am not new to this, but want to gain some more experience. Thanks, ]<sup>]</sup> 18:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Other than what is stated at ], there's not much more. Like I noted there, I keep some details to myself. I also haven't been pursuing socks as much these days; it's usually not so much a pursue matter anyway. It's rather I notice them, and then decide if I want to expose them. If they have been a good editor for a couple of years (or more), for example, attempting to expose them can be an uphill battle, since they will have likely accumulated acquaintances or friends on Misplaced Pages who respect them and will view implying or otherwise indicating that they are a sock as a lack of good faith, or even as bullying. In the most recent case seen above on my talk page (]), that editor was socking to ]; so I exposed him, with a brutal tactic: Naming him as a sock in the edit history for everyone to see. As predicted, he came to me, and further exposed himself. You can also look at ] for more information as well, if you haven't looked at that yet. ] (]) 20:29, 7 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Objectum-sexuality == | |||
| I've made the changes to the ] article (changing "fetish" to "orientation" and removing the link to paraphilias as a related topic) because OS is not a fetish, which would be something purely sexual that is used purely for sexual stimulation. Objectum-sexuals feel genuine romantic and sexual attraction to objects that they treat as partners and care for as far more than just a sex toy. There are even those who are strictly romantically attracted to objects, and so it would be absurd to call it a fetish. Beyond that, connecting it to paraphilias suggests that it is one, and thus that it is disordered, which is not the case. The following sources back up my decision to change it to "orientation" and why I think it's insulting to continue to insist on it being called a fetish. | |||
| <ref>http://www.ejhs.org/volume13/ObjSexuals.htm</ref> | |||
| <ref>https://peoplewholoveobjects.wordpress.com/objectum-sexuality-os/</ref> | |||
| <ref>https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201307/intimate-and-inanimate</ref> | |||
| ] (]) 07:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :You (and others, or you under different IPs) keep getting reverted at that article because calling object sexuality a ] is very ]; surely you saw the rationales when you were being reverted. Object sexuality is indeed a ], and a ]. The sources you cited above are also poor. Review ] and ]. In the future, you should take matters like these to the article talk page, not to one or more users' talk page, especially when more than one editor has reverted the disputed content. ] (]) 08:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, not all sexual fetishes and paraphilias are classified as mental disorders; read the aforementioned articles and check their medical sources (if you can) for what I mean. ] (]) 09:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, I disagree that I added more plot detail than necessary, most of the changes are for subjects in sentences not being specific enough. I made new changes to the original version with pared down detail but also delete some duplicated descriptors. --] (]) 13:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Replied ] (]) 18:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| I'm stunned by this news. Flyer was a boon to Misplaced Pages. Though I'm a seasonal editor at best, I am a frequent lurker -- referencing Misplaced Pages daily, using it as a place to begin my research using its sources. Many of those sources were vetted by Flyer as the articles I'd often reference were ones Flyer was involved with. Over the past seven years, I saw the dedication, effort, and devotion she put into improving and maintaining the qualities of these articles. It's nearly impossible for me to imagine a Misplaced Pages without her and I can only imagine the loss felt by her family and friends. It's even a struggle for myself to come to terms with and I didn't even know her name. I am so sorry for the devastating loss of Flyer experienced by her family and friends, beyond deeply saddened that Flyer passed, and I feel this is a major loss for Misplaced Pages. | |||
| == MJ == | |||
| Thank-you, Flyer, for your guidance and your part in helping me develop as an editor and collaborator. I miss you so much on this site, you were a gift. ] (]) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I do not believe that "''Actress Elena Satine has campaigned for the role of Mary Jane in The Amazing Spider-Man before the producers choose Gwen Stacy instead of MJ''" is relevant to this article as it seems that the character was never in any official media related to the film. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == We will miss you, Flyer22 == | |||
| ==Kanye West== | |||
| ] | |||
| Thanks for your edits. I have restored the ] line which was removed by another editor. It seems quite significant to me that he paid such high tribute to Bowie as an inspiration for his musical and genre-defying experimentation. ] (]) 01:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| This is indeed a very sad day. I first crossed paths with Flyer22 nearly 10 years ago. My first thought was, "this guy must be an F-22 pilot". We've never had much interaction, because when she crossed my watchlist it was usually because of her relentless work in patrolling new edits. But I have had a chance to observe over the years, and see first hand some of what she <s>does</s>did through my activities at BLPN. | |||
| At Misplaced Pages, we're all supposed to be equal ... in theory. But, as Yogi Berra said, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." | |||
| :Kanye is a publicity hound. I doubt his interest was particularly sincere. ]<sup>]</sup> 09:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I've always been proud to be a part of Misplaced Pages. It's always been gratifying, if not somewhat humbling, to be able to work among so many people who are so incredibly intelligent and have such high integrity. But, like all society, there are always certain individuals who stand out among the crowd. People who you can look up to. Polyamorph. Materialscientist. SlimVirgin. Doc James up there. Seeing what Flyer22 has done for Misplaced Pages over the years, I have always held her in the highest esteem. She too has stood out among the crowd, and her loss is a devastating blow, not just to Misplaced Pages, but to her family and to the world. We will miss you Flyer22, and may whatever god, chi, or spirit you believe in take you and carry you. There are many here who will mourn this day for some time. | |||
| :: I appreciate your support on this page, Flyer22. Just to let you know, I've moved the line you restored to a more appropriate place so that it follows on from "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". It seems pretty clear that is where the Bowie influence on West specifically is, as both artists' careers share that in common. Best wishes. ] (]) 03:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| The force will be with you. Always. ] (]) 18:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::], , but I felt that the text fits better where I placed it because it was beside his other influences, and ] somehow felt that the Bowie aspect was being prioritized, including in . For whatever reason, it seems that GentleCollapse16 doesn't want Bowie mentioned as an inspiration or influence at all, despite West stating that Bowie is one of his "most important inspirations." ] (]) 03:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Devastated == | |||
| :::: From what West said, it appears that Bowie is a more general influence on his approach to music than a specific influence on a particular album or track, in contrast to, for example, ]'s sampling influence mentioned in the same section. So if we're going to mention Bowie, it seemed more appropriate to me to follow the line "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". I've also added "among West's stated influences", so hopefully people won't misinterpret as before that anyone is saying Bowie is "THE INFLUENCE", which was never my intention. ] (]) 04:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I cannot believe you're gone, Flyer22 Frozen. When I glanced at your talk page a few minutes ago, I thought you'd retired and I was going to leave a goodbye and thank you note to you, with a wish that you'd return to us one day. | |||
| :::::Yeah, my objection was to Bowie being so prominently namedropped at the beginning of a discussion of Kanye's musical style without any specifics regarding Bowie's actual influence on his work—why not also mention Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Stanley Kubrick or any other artists Kanye routinely invokes? The fact remains that Kanye has named many artists as profound influences (A Tribe Called Quest, Puff Daddy, Pete Rock etc) which also aren't cited here, and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " when it wasn't particularly relevant. The inclusion in the Legacy section that ] mentioned sounds good to me, but I still think it's just gratuitous (and condescending) to mention Bowie in the musical style section regarding the simple fact of West's creative restlessness. Apart from West's recent tweet, there's not much of a specific or especially noteworthy connection between the two. ] (]) 04:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| But then I read further, and I'm devastated. :'( I remember our interactions from years ago, keeping BLPs free from bad content and being kind to one another. I am utterly saddened that those days are gone for good. | |||
| :::::: "and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " "What a strange assumption to make that race has anything to do with it whatsoever? Blimey! ] (]) 04:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you so much for everything you did. Best wishes to your family. ] 19:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::As if black artists haven't consistently been patronized and condescended to via validating comparisons with more "tasteful" white artists...? (and I love Bowie too, don't get me wrong). And as if rap and black music hasn't always had to fight to be considered as artful and singular as more revered white musics? ] (]) 04:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Very sad == | |||
| :::::::: Seriously, WTF has color got to do with it? I think I know what your issue is now and you're choosing to interpret it how you like to because it's suits your "issues". Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation. It's a shame, because you've now shown you can't be regarded as an unbiased editor. ] (]) 04:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I've very sorry to have you leave us ] (]) 19:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Sad == | |||
| ::::::::: What exactly is your issue? That I'm bothered by your apparent need to immediately validate and contextualize West's work with reference to a more "respectable" white artist who otherwise has '''no''' explicit, oft-discussed, or noteworthy tie to his work? And your "Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation"—hahaha oh dear, I'm sorry to break it to you pal, but race and a dimension of racial bias is intrinsic to every aesthetic perception and value judgement you, as a human who lives in society, make, and it's normally just ignorant, self-satisfied white people who can afford pretend it doesn't affect their actions—you may simply like David Bowie, but there's a reason, for example, that you're so keen and excited to include him but not other artists like James Brown, A Tribe Called Quest, etc. who West has called great inspirations but who don't fit your OWN conservative preferences for what counts as a significant influence on West's work. The simple fact of West's stylistic changes isn't something that's only shared by Bowie, and your emphasis of that only reinforces your ignorance to all his other influences. | |||
| So sorry to hear the news, greatest sympathies to Flyer22's family and friends. Although I had my disagreement's with Flyer22, I recognised she did important work especially in the area of ] which greatly improved and protected Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::The fact is, West's work, and our discussion of his work, should be able to stand alone from any of your preferred comparisons unless there's an explicit reason to call upon them (i.e. RZA's sampling style was a direct influence on West's, etc). Race is already a dimension of cultural interpretation, and you're certainly not a special exception to the case. ] (]) 05:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==In memory== | |||
| :::::::::: I haven't seen sources for the other artists, I HAVE seen a source for David Bowie. That's why I added it and for no other reason. I honestly couldn't give a shit what color David Bowie was, what color Kanye West is, what color James Brown was, what color Marvin Gaye was .... the list goes on. But YOU OBVIOUSLY DO CARE. If the color of music artists is an issue for you, that's your choice, but please don't judge everyone else by your standards because some of us are just interested in music. Thanks. ] (]) 05:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| * Thanks for many contributions. Rest in peace and condolences to family and friends. ] (]) 21:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm shocked and saddened to hear this news. Flyer22 is an editor I've been familiar with for as long as I can remember in my Misplaced Pages experience, and literally the first editor I remember thinking about as a highly respectable and valuable contributor with a lot to teach others. Our interactions probably do not number that many, but I've seen a great number of their edits and talk page messages. Whether I agreed with her or not, I always saw Flyer22 as an intelligent and good faith contributor whose opinion I gave significant weight. There's no denying that she had a great many Misplaced Pages-specific skills, whether an eye for socks or an eye for finding good sources. She will be sorely missed; her edits have made a great impact on this encyclopedia both to us as editors and to our worldwide audience, whether they know it or not. — ] (''']''') 22:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *This is devastating news. Flyer's work was first class and of immense benefit to Misplaced Pages. She will be greatly missed. ] (]) 00:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *So very sad to hear. You are irreplaceable, Flyer22 Frozen. We will always love you. ] (]) 01:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *RIP ... I'll always remember your diligence, tenacity, and passion for the project. Misplaced Pages is certainly a better place thanks to the contributions you made to the site. ''']'''] 08:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I'd like to add my condolences to Flyer22's family. I've spent a lot of time reviewing Flyer's contributions recently and would like to take this moment to say how much of an asset she was to the community. She will be missed. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 08:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * I am very sad to learn of Flyer's passing. I did not know Flyer personally but we had some interactions on Misplaced Pages. Flyer dedicated so much of her time and energy researching and improving Misplaced Pages. We should all follow her example. Her contributions will last a very long time. This will be her legacy. Sincere condolences to her family and friends and loved ones. ] (]) 03:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Just now learning of this. Rest in peace, Flyer. Your work here is exceptional. <sup>Thanks,</sup>] ] 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Shocked and saddened. She was one of the editors I looked up to. My condolences to her family and friends. '''] ]''' 16:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Very sad == | |||
| ::::::::::: You really don't get it, do you—I don't give a FUCK about an artist's skin color, but I'm also acutely aware of the way white artists are repeatedly used by apparently "objective" sources like yourself as a kind of measuring stick for what's "normal" or "brilliant" while other artists are left by the wayside. Your "I haven't seen sources for the other artists" isn't at all an excuse. You're still engaging in the disproportionate privileging of a white rock artist over others who evidently don't strike as being as significant to seek out. If you're not going to objectively include all of West's influences, your engaging in POV editing and that has no place here. | |||
| My condolences to your family and friends. ] (]) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::More than anything, I find it incredibly hard to believe you could genuinely love and understand all the music you just listed without paying attention to how they all play with issues of race. Bowie was famous in the 1970s for flirting with black music styles while perverting them with his alienating white detachment, and explicitly calling attention to those racial dynamics—look up how he defined his "plastic soul" sound, you might be surprised by how much Bowie "brought race into it". West's entire career has been concerned with how race and perception affect ones status in a society. And the list goes on. There's no such thing as "just music" except in your own oblivious head. Objectivity is about giving everyone a voice. ] (]) 05:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Same, please take care, family and friends. ''']] (])''' 04:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Awful. == | |||
| :::::::::::: Again, color is quite clearly a big issue for you. That's fine but don't make assumptions about other people because your accusations really are the definition of the POV you're ironically attributing to me. And what precisely is stopping you from adding mentions of all these other important and non-white influences on West's career to even out the color imbalance you perceive? ] (]) 05:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| This is awful, just awful. I don't ever recall feeling this shocked, upset, and sad about the notice of someone passing that I never met in real life. I'm really very, very upset. She leaves a hole that can never be filled. My condolences to ]; please pass on my thoughts to other members of your family, and let them know there are people who really cared and felt her presence, though in my case, never knew her personally. She will be deeply missed. If there is one Misplaced Pages editor I would have liked to meet in real life, and get to know, it was she; now I never shall. I am so sad. ] (]) 21:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::Quiet simply, the fact that Bowie doesn't have any business in that section in the first place. What assumptions? I'm concerned with the unnecessary inclusion of an artist in a section that doesn't warrant his inclusion, and I'm extending that concern with the caveat that this inclusion also reinforces a biased mainstream aesthetic narrative that privileges certain artists over others. Your ignorance or obliviousness is not an excuse for your complicity in that, period. Stop with the condescending "color is quite clearly a big issue for you" garbage—color, like gender, sexual preference, physical appearance, and other tenants of discrimination should be of concern to anyone who is conscious of the society they live in. ] (]) 05:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :{{u|Mathglot}}, I feel this. I cried when I saw this. For about a hour. It hits you hard because many of us are faceless, pseudonymous comrades who carry the torch of the wiki. May you be granted peace in your grief. ]｟] ]｠ 02:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| : I cried when I saw the news this morning, and I've been processing it all day. The loss is just immense. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Not over this loss. I think about this void, my loss, Misplaced Pages's loss, every time I'm at an article which Flyer would have improved, or commented on. Trying to channel her, to figure out what she might have said or done; but I'm not up to that task, she was unique. Not over this. ] (]) 18:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| : This sucks. I'm p.o.'d. ] (]) 01:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Still upset. ] (]) 09:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == For those interested == | |||
| :::::::::::::: The only person who brought anything condescending into this conversation in the first place was you when you brought up color in the first place, which nobody else was talking about. Why don't you make a positive contribution to the West article by adding some artists who influenced his career to counter the "biased mainstream aesthetic narrative" you perceive (you know some big words, don't you??? I prefer plain English myself). I would have no objection to that, regardless of what color they may be. As for "garbage", I haven't heard so much garbage from a Misplaced Pages editor in a very, very long time, frankly. You can hardly claim to be unbiased in your approach to this editing process from what you've said so far, your words have been loaded with bias and an apparent agenda. ] (]) 06:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ], written in 2013... I've protected Flyer's subpages, which included some drafts; if you want them unportected so you can work on them just ask. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| == My Benediction For You == | |||
| ] and ], I moved the Bowie content to the . Can you both be fine with that? I obviously feel that Bowie should be mentioned in that section since it notes people who inspired West, and West specifically called Bowie one of his "most important inspirations." Whether or not he was being sincere is not for us to decide. I don't see that it needs to come first in that section, ahead of his other inspirations, so I agree with GentleCollapse16 on that part. And I don't think it belongs in the Impact and legacy section; so I disagree that it should be re-added there. No matter what, ] on this needs to stop. The next step is a ] if we can't compromise on this. ] (]) 09:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Peace to you and to your family. May your memory and contributions forever bless our project. You <s>were</s> are loved. I know I'll miss you. May we meet again on some wiki project in the next life. ]｟] ]｠ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for your response, Flyer22. If you feel the passage is better suited there, I can fully see your reasoning and I'm quite happy to go along with that. Thanks again. ] (]) 14:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == May you rest peacefully in eternity == | |||
| ::Re: the removal of: <blockquote>Jon Caramanica of '']'' said that West has been "the rare artist respected as both a pop musician and experimenter, renowned as much for his creative endeavors as for his tabloid exploits" and asserted that "he has remade hip-hop’s sonic palette three, maybe four times. His musical legacy is peerless."<ref>Caramanica, Jon. '']''. 10 April 2015.</ref></blockquote> from the Legacy section; it seems to me it's saying more balanced version of what the Caramanica quote I replaced it with was: <blockquote>Jon Caramanic of '']'' said that West has been "a frequent lightning rod for controversy, a bombastic figure who can count rankling two presidents among his achievements, along with being a reliably dyspeptic presence at award shows (when he attends them)."<ref name="NewYorkTimes"/></blockquote> In both cases Caramanica notes West's controversial persona outside music, but my replacement balances that with his musical reputation, which also seems to be the focus of a lot of the following sources—the dialectic between West's two poles, the musical acclaim and the controversial persona. I just thought it was more balanced and to topic than the original. Do you have any particular reason for disagreeing? ] (]) 23:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| *I was concerned to see that you had retired, and shocked to learn that you had passed. We never had the opportunity to interact, but I feel the loss of a good editor, nonetheless. My condolences to your survivors, all those you loved and befriended. Rest in peace, Flyer22. ] ] ] 22:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::], I on that change because that paragraph is big enough as it is (what you added is a little longer), the paragraph gushes about West enough, what you added seems redundant to what is already in the section, and the first Caramanic quote specifically comments on his controversial persona, which is a big part of his legacy. I don't think "his tabloid exploits" clearly relays "controversial persona." That the Caramanic quote is the only quote in the section to directly note that West is controversial and clearly tie that to his impact is why I've reverted you on the inclusion of it twice. I've reverted you on the position of the ] piece twice as well because I think it is the best quote to begin the section with. I wouldn't hugely object if you added the other Caramanic quote in the quote box in place of the quote that's already in the quote box, or as an addition to that quote, but I don't think it's needed; I think it's overkill. ] (]) 23:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. ]] 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sad news. Your work in Misplaced Pages will be appreciate for the eternity. Rest in peace Flyer. --] (]) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == I'm so sad to learn of this == | |||
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| I've crossed paths with Flyer so many times over the years, and I'm absolutely shocked and devastated to learn of her death. She made so many outstanding contributions to the project, and she will be much missed, as an editor and as a person. --] (]) 00:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == February 2016 == | |||
| == Very upset to hear of this ... == | |||
| ] Hello, I'm ]. I wanted to let you know that one or more of ] to ] has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the ]. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on ]. Thanks.<!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> ] (]) 22:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I've been thinking on this all day, and really can't put it well into words. I'm one of the few folks who knows Flyer22's name, and have spoken with her and her brother more than once. Behind the scenes, she did immense work on identifying banned editors - many pro-pedo ones - and this annoyed some of those folks, to the point that she was getting credible death threats and rape threats. I remember all that. Yet, she put her head down and kept working on the project, and did so for many years. I have a huge amount of respect for her and what she achieved, though we didn't always agree either. I am shocked and saddened that she is gone - I really don't know what to say - ] <sup>]</sup> 01:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :LOL, my mistake. I read it as you committing vandalism. ] (]) 22:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Wow. I never knew that part of the story, although it was apparent something had happened back then, I just never knew the details. That's pretty scary, but it explains a lot. I've had the privilege of talking with her on occasion, and offered her advice she didn't always agree with. I don't know her real name and never really gave it a thought. She'll always be Flyer22 to me. | |||
| =="Good faith edit"== | |||
| I will never understand why people call stuff like "good faith". ] | ] 21:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC). | |||
| :I'm like Mathglot. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, over someone I've never really met. She was a shining star, and I'm just thinking ... hoping, that maybe she's up there somewhere, and maybe the sky won't be a little less bright tonight. ] (]) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :], there was ] when I would have been quick to revert that as vandalism. These days, I am more likely to assume that maybe the editor heard it somewhere, including by the subject himself, was joking because they honestly don't know how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, or something else. I glanced at the edit quickly and wanted it gone, and I did not want to analyze it any further than that. I usually revert vandalism or other disruptive edits as vandalism or disruption; other times I might not. And I'm stating that as someone who despises how much the ] guideline is used without reason. Goodness knows it's my enemy in sockpuppet cases where I know what I'm talking about and sometimes have to put up with the "assume good faith" people. ] (]) 21:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Compare ], a little thing of my own. ] | ] 22:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC). | |||
| {{tps}}Bish, I love that essay! ]<sup>]</sup> 07:56, 18 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :A great loss to Misplaced Pages. Condolences to her family and many friends, on and off wiki. For many years, she watched over important articles in sexuality and gender topics and that made her a target for some of the worst harassment on ENWP. Yet, she kept showing up in the true spirit of Wikipedians who believe in our mission. She will be greatly missed. Sydney Poore/]] 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Sandbox? == | |||
| == Dreadful shock == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| you have undone my edit on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/New_Zealand_National_Party naming it vandalistic and/or futile, | |||
| yet I believe this operation was only based on personal opinion. | |||
| The edit was not vandalistic and it was not futile. | |||
| Woke up today and saw this fell news. Daresay I'm at a loss for words, had difficulty believing my eyes at first. I've crossed paths with Flyer22 in countervandalism and counter-LTA activities often, and it to me seems a disastrous loss to the community as a whole. Flyer22 (as Alison mentioned above) did valuable work for the encyclopedia. Now we have only a hollow that can never be filled. Rest in peace, Flyer22. We'll never forget your contributions. My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to Flyer's family. '']]'' 02:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| It was made because the rendering of the Māori name was not precise, since it refered to any kind of National Party ], and this is not that article. | |||
| The name in English is "'''New Zealand''' National Party" which is translated into Māori as "Rōpū Nāhinara o '''Aotearoa'''", because it is not '''a''' National Party, but the National Party of '''New Zealand''', as you may easily check also on the Māori version of the same page: ]. | |||
| I will remake the edit now, hoping my explanation was clear. | |||
| == The North remembers == | |||
| Lastly, I do not need to experiment on the sandbox, as you kindly suggested in your message, | |||
| all I need on this site is a precise encyclopedia. | |||
| Just going over our old GoT debates, good times. If you happen to somehow read this, thanks for that. Sorry and good luck to friends and family reading this; from what she taught me at ] (twelve walls of text down), she seemed proud to be part of her pack. ] (]) 05:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| - Best Regards <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| {{small|Seven years on, I still think ], however. ] (]) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)}} | |||
| == Big Ang == | |||
| == Rest in peace... this is devastating. == | |||
| How is updating the site to show she has passed not constructive? | |||
| http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/entertainment/obit-big-ang-angela-raiola-dies/ <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I never crossed paths with Flyer22 (only seen her in early January when I found them reverting some vandalism on articles under WPTC banner back in December), but seeing this news pretty much devastated me. Flyer22's death is devastating, devastating loss for Misplaced Pages. I don't have more words about this, but I am hoping that there is some editor that can rise up to fill the void. ''']]]''' 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I initially because I thought you were messing up a URL. I've because of ]. ] (]) 21:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| * Devastating is exactly the right word. ] ] 16:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Miss you == | |||
| == About the edit you undid in ] == | |||
| I am devastated. You did so much good for me, for other editors, for Misplaced Pages, and yes, for the whole world. This site is the most used reference work there is, and you put so much work into making sure that so many topics, including especially important topics relating to women and children, were well covered. And you gave of yourself and persevered for so long in ensuring they continued to be of increasing quality. Your work has a ripple effect reaching ever outward, educating countless readers and from there, others. Your legacy lives forever. | |||
| I noticed you undid some edits on the following page without explicit reasoning, so now I'll tell you why I made a few changes to that page. One, ] just redirects to ]. Two, {{Tl|Peacock inline}} redirects to {{Tl|Peacock term}}. And three, {{Tl|Loaded term}} is a brand-new addition to the wiki (admittedly one ''I'' submitted to ]; although apparently {{Tl|Loaded}}, thanks to a backlog, is still pending submission). ] (]) 20:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Rest in peace, Flyer. | |||
| : ], regarding , I'd "Peacock term" in place of "Peacock inline." As for value-laden redirecting to loaded language, there is no reason to bypass the redirect; see ]. I don't care much that you bypassed the redirect, though. And lastly, I do not see why your "loaded term" template needs to be there. Exactly why is that template needed? ] (]) 20:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 06:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Wikilinks are not sources == | |||
| == Vale == | |||
| …per ], etc. Per the policies, it is never sufficient for non-common-knowledge information to only be sourced via Wikilink. | |||
| I'm really saddened to hear of this loss; for Flyer22's family, friends and for our community. Flyer22 was always an impassioned Wikipedian and I have worked with her for the better part of a decade now. She was, I believe, a fundamentally decent person and I hope her real life was less troubled than her Misplaced Pages existance where, like a bright warm light at night, she continually attracted editors with an unhealthy attention towards her. I'm so sad to here she has passed away of health issues and wish I could have got to meet her in real life to say hello and share a cup of tea. You'll be greatly missed, Flyer22. May you rest in peace. Vale. --] (]) 08:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Though this is rampant at WP, including via presentation of images that contain intellectual content (such as fully labeled anatomical images), it is not acceptable here, or anywhere. | |||
| ==A sadness and a hope== | |||
| Even more critically, the source that this draws from does not cite sources, and is this: { http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altsex/penis.html }. | |||
| I am deeply saddened at the loss of Flyer. I feel that the work she did on ] and ] is the among the very best on Misplaced Pages. Thousands of people every day are coming to Misplaced Pages to find out more about these two deeply significant parts to the human body, and Flyer produced two well researched and well written, balanced, neutral, and informative articles that allow them to discover more. They are two shining examples of what Misplaced Pages is really good at, and they are Flyer's legacy. I had always hoped to work again with Flyer on another article or two of their quality. Sadly this will now not happen. | |||
| However, I am encouraged by her brother's comments in his email that Flyer's younger sister will probably be opening a Misplaced Pages account in the near future. I do hope that the sister will be welcomed, and will be encouraged to stay and pick up on Flyer's work. If she does open an account I pledge myself to offering her as much support, encouragement, protection, and advice as she needs to get settled. As part of that commitment, my first piece of advice is that the sister does not pick over the bones of any current or past disputes. Halo suggests she may do that, but that would not be a good idea. If the sister has any of the research skills, intelligence, determination, and courage of her sister, she will be a great asset to Misplaced Pages and may come close to equalling (or even exceeding) Flyer's achievements. | |||
| Part of the point is to make clear that sourcing images from websites not affiliated with any reputable institution is not a good practice. AT LEAST, the material needs to be checked, and the source against which it is checked needs to be provided. Please do no support non-encyclopedic practices, in this case, even if they are rampant, and we could get by not doing so. Images are content. When content crosses the line from being an illustrative image, to communicating content, its content must also be verifiable. Le Prof ] (]) 21:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Goodbye Flyer and welcome (hopefully) to Flyer's sister. ] (]) 12:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :], nowhere did I state that wikilinks are sources. I am not a newbie, after all. I did, however, make it clear that by you is nonsensical. Since you apparently want a ] on the matter, so be it. ] (]) 21:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I appreciate your adding kind words. I want to clarify that Halo has since sent another email making clear that the only reason the younger sister would have joined is to confirm what happened and that's it. He said that won't be happening now as it doesn't seem needed. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 17:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::* Please support me on not removing the article tags. I do not know who CFCF is, but if the tags come off, you are on your own in improving the article (note all the books fixed today). I will not work with people who elevate prettification over substance. Le Prof ] (]) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::* The images that were made to reappear (Egyptian fertility god and a piece of German artwork) are (i) not discussed in the text, and (ii) are only identifiable on a "just trust us" basis, or via Wikilink. Regardless of what the basis is for the identification, I would ask these two images be returned to ANGLEBRACKET!-- images --> status until they are discussed and their relationship and importance made clear via source. Le Prof ] (]) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::* More broadly, in the sourcing of content in figures and their legends. I understand I am in the minority in this. You again will determine if we swim with the current, or we can go with my proposed improvement (even if not in the mainstream). By having tags, I invite others more knowledgable and with greater time, to make clear that the images belong, and what they mean. Without a tag, the images are, as I argue above and at the article, ], especially in the selfie-case, but also in the case where ethe editor chose a third-rate web-page, cited above, as his illustrated anatomical content. If we must disagree on this, so be it, I will not fight you (because as you say, it is votes that count, whether in Republican primaries, or to maintain common non-scholarly practices at WP). Le Prof ] (]) 21:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Very sad== | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I've had many positive interactions with Flyer over the past 15 years, and have seen the considerable good work she has done here and have only good memories. I will miss her. ] ] 13:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *I am going to miss Flyer. She’s one of the bravest editors I have ever seen. Heart of gold and a spine of steel. A good human being. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I've gone through the primetime list and added quotes and updated references to the ones that are staying. I moved the borderline or weakly supported cases to the talk page. Of these, only the "I Didn't Do It" was contested with some decent reason. Could you check if I might have missed any? ] (] • ]) 21:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| **I am terribly sorry to hear this bad news. Flyer was a great editor and I had enormous respect for her work. She will be missed. ] ] 16:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **One of the best of the best. I worked with Flyer on several woman-related articles but watched over many more that she watched over. It was so reassuring to know that when she was involved in the editing women would be fairly treated--not by putting men down but by careful research that backed her positions. We were so lucky to have her and she will be sadly missed. ] (]) 18:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **I want to add my voice to all of those who are going to miss Flyer. One of my earliest editing memories was being by Flyer; the civil, well-reasoned and instructive discussion we had afterwards motivated me to read sources, engage on talk pages, and made me more interested in getting involved in the project. she was inspirational, and I will miss her greatly. My deepest condolences to her family. ]] 18:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer's retirement news was already saddening, so to now find out she has died is even worse. May this valued editor rest in peace. Misplaced Pages won't be the same without her! ] (] / ]) 23:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * Requiescat in pace. Flyer was a mainstay of Misplaced Pages's women-related articles. Her knowledge and care will be tremendously missed. My condolences to her family and loved ones. ]] 07:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Vaya con Dios, Flyer22 == | |||
| :], I'm fine with the cleanup you've been doing at that article. I will still be there to revert problematic edits. ] (]) 19:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I’m so sorry to hear about your passing. Thanks for everything you’ve done as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Rest In Peace. ] (] - ]) 01:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Thank you for being one of Misplaced Pages's top medical contributors! == | |||
| ==Farewell== | |||
| <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> | |||
| {{cot|bg=#8000FF}} | |||
| :''please help translate this message into the local language'' | |||
| {{quote|<poem> | |||
| {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" | |||
| As you set out for Ithaka | |||
| |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ] | |||
| hope the voyage is a long one, | |||
| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Cure Award''' | |||
| full of adventure, full of discovery. | |||
| |- | |||
| Laistrygonians and Cyclops, | |||
| | style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In 2015 you were one of the ] across any language of Misplaced Pages. Thank you from ] for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining ''']''', there are no associated costs, and we would love to collaborate further. | |||
| angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them: | |||
| |} | |||
| you’ll never find things like that on your way | |||
| as long as you keep your thoughts raised high, | |||
| as long as a rare excitement | |||
| stirs your spirit and your body. | |||
| Laistrygonians and Cyclops, | |||
| wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them | |||
| unless you bring them along inside your soul, | |||
| unless your soul sets them up in front of you. | |||
| Hope the voyage is a long one. | |||
| Thanks again :) -- ] along with the rest of the team at ] 03:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| May there be many a summer morning when, | |||
| </div> | |||
| with what pleasure, what joy, | |||
| <!-- Message sent by User:Doc James@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/search/?title=User:Doc_James/TopMedEditors2015&oldid=15392321 --> | |||
| you come into harbors seen for the first time; | |||
| may you stop at Phoenician trading stations | |||
| to buy fine things, | |||
| mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony, | |||
| sensual perfume of every kind— | |||
| as many sensual perfumes as you can; | |||
| and may you visit many Egyptian cities | |||
| to gather stores of knowledge from their scholars. | |||
| Keep Ithaka always in your mind. | |||
| == Thanks, and puberty articles == | |||
| Arriving there is what you are destined for. | |||
| But do not hurry the journey at all. | |||
| Better if it lasts for years, | |||
| so you are old by the time you reach the island, | |||
| wealthy with all you have gained on the way, | |||
| not expecting Ithaka to make you rich. | |||
| Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey. | |||
| Hello, Flyer22. Thank you very much, you are very kind. You're right, I'm editing in Spanish wiki. | |||
| Without her you would not have set out. | |||
| She has nothing left to give you now. | |||
| And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you. | |||
| I have not much time and there is much work to do, but I'll watch what you say. Which sections of the articles you mention have not reviewed yet? | |||
| Wise as you will have become, so full of experience, | |||
| you will have understood by then what these Ithakas mean. | |||
| '''Ithaka''' | |||
| Best regards. --] (]) 12:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| by C. P. Cavafy | |||
| </poem>}} | |||
| {{cob}} | |||
| :], you're welcome. Thanks for being one of this site's more promising editors. As for what on your talk page about ] and ] articles, they need thorough work; it's not a matter of what part of them hasn't been reviewed yet. You might also be interested in assisting ] and I at the ] article. As you can see from (followup edit and ), we are currently working out two different matters there. And, yes, there is no need for you to rush in helping with any article. There is obviously no obligation for you to work on these articles. I simply felt that you might be interested in the Puberty and Precocious puberty articles since you are working on the ] article. | |||
| Farewell, Flyer. You made a difference. You did well. ] ]. ''L not Q''. 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :On a side note: I altered the heading of this section by adding "and puberty articles" so that it is clearer as to what the section is about and is easier to locate once archived. ] (]) 22:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| * Flyer and I sometimes communicated off Misplaced Pages so I considered her more than a collaborator. I was aware that some of her family members had contracted Covid, which partly contributed to her decision to not engage with Arb Com. I know that the Covid issues occurred before the business with Arb-Com so it was never an excuse, I genuinely believe she didn't feel up to dealing with it. I was already saddened by her decision to leave Misplaced Pages and I am genuinely upset at her passing. RIP Flyer, and I very much hope the rest of her family can come through this. ] (]) 21:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == STiki misuse == | |||
| == Respect == | |||
| Hi. Just to let you know, you made an erroneous reversion at ] with STiki, which I have reverted. Please be careful. "George Jizzguzzler" was clearly vandalism. '''] <sup> ] </sup> 15:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I can't remember where or when we crossed paths, but I remember you. RIP. ✨ ] ] ✨ 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == A message == | |||
| :], as seen and , a vandal IP had messed up the article minutes before a constructive IP fixed the matter. on the wrong IP. Sorry about that. I am careful with ], but I am going to make the occasional mistake with it. ] (]) 20:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I never interacted with you on Misplaced Pages, but I am firm that you do amazing contributions. I cannot praise you in a way so grandeur, but I can just hope you rest there in peace. '''This will ''not'' be your last contribution.''' ''']]''' 04:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oh, no problem. I've never done that before, so I guess I couldn't feel where you were coming from. '''] <sup> ] </sup> 02:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Goodbye == | ||
| I had contact with Flyer a fairly large number of times over the years. She quite frequently emailed me about various matters. I had a very high regard for her. She was conscientious and determined to do what she believed was best for Misplaced Pages, persisting in doing so even when others made it difficult for her to do so. She was in many ways very perceptive, and could often see through clouds of nonsense to the truth underneath when many others couldn't. Over the course of time I came to think of her as a friend, even though I never met her in the flesh, and knew nothing about her life away from Misplaced Pages. I shall miss her. ] (]) 21:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for the support with LGBT+ and medicine == | |||
| I dont know who you think you are, maybe a paragon of the protection of human sexuality or something, but the fact remains that sexism means discrimination based on somebody's sex. It doesn't matter if you think that women are discriminated against more than men are, because sexism, as a word, refers to all discrimination based on sex. So you can scurry back to your precious mods or admins and demand that I be blocked from editing, whatever you want. But in the end, just know that you are perpetrating a lie on the community by refusing to admit the actual definition of a word. For your benefit, I have included the definition from Merriam-Webster: "Distinction and especially unjust distinction based on gender and made against one person or group in favor of another". As I am sure you know, sexism was created as a parallel of racism, whose definition follows as well: "racial prejudice or discrimination", which only furthers my point. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Thanks for the regular constructive criticism in medicine and LGBT content. I appreciated having you as a colleague in both places as hardly anyone else navigates both of those busy spaces. You pushed for quality in a friendly way and were a model of good collaboration for giving original writing and ideas when asking for improvement. I respect that when you asked for favors, you yourself came proactively presenting a favor yourself. | |||
| :Hello, ]. Lovely day, isn't it? Regarding , the fact remains that sexism affects girls and women far more than it affects boys and men, and the literature is clear about that. This has been thoroughly discussed on the article's talk page, as seen at ] and at ]. The fact remains that you should not be ] over this content. If you have a case, make it at the article talk page. ] (]) 21:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| 🌈🌈🌈🩺💊🏥 | |||
| ::It doesn't matter who it may or may not affect more, only what it is. You trying to put your own spin on it is unacceptable when these articles are supposed to be impartial statements of facts. And if you want to talk about victims of sexism, how about we talk about how women win the majority of child custody cases, men are expected to be tough and are bullied relentlessly when they are not, male suicides far outnumber female suicides, men are expected to be physical laborers in dangerous fields but are not expected to be paid more for said dangerous labor, and males are injured 1.5 times more than women on the job as well. Your "literature" is cherry-picked, just like I have done above. Points are real easy to make when you exclude the opposing side's argument. Now if you want to have a mature argument that takes a look at both sides' ''reasonable'' arguments, let me know. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ]] 22:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hey again, ]. It's not "my literature." That sexism affects females to a much greater degree than males is prevalent in the literature on sexism, as I'm sure you know. This is a ] matter; read the WP:Due weight policy for what I mean. Even though, being female, I have experienced much sexism in my life, far more than my brothers have ever experienced, I am basing my comments on this matter on what the literature relays. There is no cherry-picking in this case, since the "sexism is primarily directed at girls and women" aspect is prevalent in the literature. It's why the Sexism article has so much more to state about women than about men. The lead is meant to summarize this aspect, per ]. Again, you should discuss your issues with the lead relaying that "sexism affects girls and women the most" on the article's talk page, where other editors can readily weigh in on the dispute. It's currently being discussed there (again) now. I have nothing more to state you in this section on my talk page. ] (]) 01:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == RIP == | |||
| ::::Again, I am not disputing the fact that women are often subject to sexism. I am attempting to show the definition of sexism, which the people who keep editing the page refuse to accept. Sexism is ''not'' discrimination against women. Sexism is discrimination based on sex, regardless of the sex of the victim. However, the reason that sexism against men is less prevalent in literature is because men who complain about such issues are ridiculed and told to "man up" or "be a man" and stop complaining about their grievances, no matter how justified. I am quite irritated that people refuse to look at both sides of an argument and realize that it does go both ways. Know that in no way am I trying to ignore or cover up the effects of sexism on women. I am just trying to make it clear that it also affects men and is represented less due to social taboos on men complaining about such issues. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Shocked and saddened to hear this, Flyer was a fantastic editor and they will be missed a lot, Thank you for each and every contribution you've made here Flyer, Rest in Peace. my sincere condolences to friends and family. –]<sup>]</sup> 00:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Last comment: When sexism is defined, it is usually defined as affecting women more; this is not just the case of dictionary sources either, as is clearly seen at ]. ] (]) 01:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==A great loss to the community and our mission== | |||
| :::Please ] toward other editors, ]. —] (]) 04:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I wish that I'd had some knowledge that Flyer was unwell: I don't know whether she made this common knowledge or played the fact close to her vest, but despite her being one of the editors I most frequently ran into incidentally out in the wild of our talk pages (due to our shared interest in human nature as explored by hard science), I had no idea she was ill and apparently had been for some time. I think she and I probably had similar perspectives on matters slightly more often than not, but by the same token, we shared a work space often enough to experience many situations in which we disagreed and it was in these moments that she most impressed me with the qualities of a true Wikipedian--openness and a commitment to respectful discourse in pursuit of understanding. Oh, make no mistake: she was prepared to stick to her guns and hold a line against what she felt was a misrepresentation of the truth of an issue. But she tempered that drive and doggedness with wit, warmth, and perspective. She was truly the type of person who represents the best in this community, and whom we can point to as proof that our great task summons together people of real character and strength. I am not a spiritualist in any sense, so I cannot invoke the words of her name (the one I knew her best by) in a way that might otherwise be a comfort in this moment, to say that she has taken flight and will be reborn in a heavenly sense. But I can say with no less certainty and meaning that her works will indeed take flight, and her spirit will be reborn every day in a world and in the people made noticeably better for her presence. | |||
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| Please note that edit summaries are not for taunting other editors or making similar personal remarks, as in to the article ]. See ] at ]. —] (]) 04:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer, I'm sorry that I did not get to tell you any of this directly--looking back, I'm not sure I ever even seized an opportunity to say to you expressly that you were my friend. I will have to try to learn from that lesson and be more careful to take the time to say such things here. I can only say now that this is merely a part of what I have learned from you and that you have my enduring gratitude. ''] ]'' 00:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :], that was a warning. And I stand by it. If you feel I acted inappropriately, you can report it. ] (]) 06:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Beautiful words. ] (]) 01:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==Good faith edits again== | |||
| wasn't a good faith edit, it was a fake quote repeatedly inserted in the article. ] | ] 21:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC). | |||
| == Condolences == | |||
| :And, at about the moment you replied here on my talk page about it, I was on my way to note that the edit was vandalism in the edit history with a ]. I commonly (but not always) double back to look at reverts I've made. ] (]) 21:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I was taken aback when I checked the source. People ascribe all sorts of stuff to sources, but an actual ''quote''? Expanding a quote which was properly there, yet. Unusual. Maybe I should have blocked. ] | ] 21:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC). | |||
| I am greatly saddened by this news and extend my deepest sympathies to all those who cared for Flyer22. ]! -] (]) 04:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I keep thinking maybe they have some explanation, some kind of innocent mistake, even though I doubt it. ] | ] 22:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC). | |||
| == Goodbye. == | |||
| == Adding access-date parameter to book citations == | |||
| ] {{spaces|10}}] (]) 11:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Please note that adding the '''access-date''' or '''accessdate''' parameter to citations using the {{tl|cite book}} template, for example in and to the article ], adds unnecessary clutter to the citation window. ] states that this parameter is ''Not required for linked documents that do not change. For example, '''access-date''' is not required for links to copies of published research papers accessed via DOI or a published book, but should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites''. | |||
| == Sad to hear you're gone == | |||
| — ] (]) 03:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer, you and I had our differences, but I've always admired your devotion to this encyclopedia and your earnest efforts to make it better. You did a lot of good around here. My heart skipped a beat when I saw that you'd passed. No matter how many times we butted heads, this is not news I ever hoped to hear. Been thinking of you. <span style="font-family:Serifa">]]</span> 01:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :], like various other editors, I use accessdates for book sources...just like I add URLs or quotes for book sources; it's my style, and I do not intend on changing it. ] (]) 06:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :{{tps}}. Hi Flyer22 Reborn and {{u|Coconutporkpie}}. I agree with the Flyer on this one. If a cite book template contains a URL I absolutely include an accessdate too. The cite book template example above provided by a Diff ''does'' include a URL so for sure I would include an accessdate too. I used to include accessdates for all book cites but I have backed down. For one thing, if you include an accessdate and the cite does not already include a URL, then there will be a big red error code in the references section stating "{{color|red|reference error: accessdate{{=}} requires url{{=}} (see: help)}}". Books are not subject to ], but URLs to books are, and so books with URLs need accessdates too. Cheers! <code>{{u|]}} {]}</code> 07:27, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Rest in peace == | ||
| Thank you for working with me for so many years. I'm extremely saddened to learn that you are gone. You will be missed. ]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>] 07:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ]. I have some sympathy for the editor but they somehow don't seem to understand what their edits are saying. ] ] 05:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Farewell == | |||
| :], sorry that I am just now getting back to you on this. I got distracted by the section immediately above this one and the ] section before that, and I've been busy with work (real-life work), and Misplaced Pages when I can. How do you need me to help with that article or the editor in question? ] (]) 17:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Presuming you see the same problems I do, I thought someone else trying to explain the issues to this evidently good faith editor might help. thanks ] ] 20:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I am at a loss for what to say as this is honestly the first time I've truly felt a loss from the death on an online acquaintance/colleague. We crossed paths and conversed many times () given our overlapping interests. May the memory of Flyer be a blessing to all who knew her. ] ] 17:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::I see that it's the same editor I talked to at ]. I didn't know that until a few moments ago. So that's how you showed up to the Pansexuality article to make that revert. That editor has ceased reverting you for now and appears reasonable. ] (]) 00:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Rest in peace shining star == | ||
| What sad news to hear that Flyer22 has passed on. Wherever you may be, surrounded by scintillating starlight and mysterious stardust, your contributions to this world were truly stellar. ] (]) 19:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| For some reason I am sending you a kitten to thank you for kindly monitoring (but not deleting or getting angry about) our work on the fake orgasm page. We appreciate it! | |||
| == Taken too soon... == | |||
| ] (]) 14:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| You will be missed, Flyer. Thank you for leaving the memory of your legacy with us on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 08:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Transexual kittens == | |||
| == Farewell == | |||
| ] | |||
| I learned a lot from your commentary here: | |||
| I only just noticed this and can't think of what else to say. Flyer22 always had the encyclopedia's best interests at heart and contributed enormously to an area of Misplaced Pages I know very little about and did it fighting off conflicts that I think would have caused many others to retire much sooner instead of sticking it out. Please give my condolences to her family and friends. ] ] ] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Gender_dysphoria#Male-to-female | |||
| == Rest in peace == | |||
| Thanks for taking the time to dictate such extensive philosophy. | |||
| I thank Flyer22 for all the work she has done. I send my condolences to her family and friends. Rest in peace. You will be remembered. '''~''' ]]] 16:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I am very late in noticing this but I am saddened by Flyer's death and wish to add my tribute and condolences. She was an astute and prolific contributor. I had only passing interactions with her but all were positive. She took the time to thank me a number of times for edits and I always appreciated her acknowledgements. That personal touch was a wonderful addition to all her substantive contributions. ] (]) 08:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ] (] | ]) @ 20:45, 5-03-2016 UTC 20:45, 5 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == Frozen == | |||
| == Not my doing, but you're at AN3 == | |||
| ] | |||
| I dedicate this image to your memory. --] (]) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :The icicles look like frozen musical notes, an étude in ice—a fitting tribute. ] (]) 22:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Condolences == | |||
| == Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion == | |||
| I know I'm late to the funeral, but I was browsing an IP's TP when I saw a warning of yours. Seeing it, I miss you. Rest in peace. ] (]) 03:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at ] regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on ]. <!--Template:An3-notice--> Thank you. | |||
| :Malformed complain re ] I cleaned it up a bit. Boomerang, anyone? ] (]) 23:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Condolences == | |||
| == The Kristet Utseende change. == | |||
| Extending my condolences to Flyer22 and her family (I only just found out about her passing). Sad to hear of the death of another young Wikipedian. ] (]) 18:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I changed transvestite to tranny since the Swedish word is transa in the song title which is a deregatory slang for transvestite in the same way as tranny is in English while the proper Swedish term is transvestit. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Have only just found out about this, also. Really sad to hear, I’m at a complete loss for words. Rest in peace, Flyer22. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Thank you for everything you did == | |||
| == Elaine Edwards page == | |||
| I haven't been active much and only realised the bad news a few days ago. You were a great contributor to this project and will be sorely missed. My condolences. ] (]: ]) 19:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Mr. Flyer22 Reborn, | |||
| == R.I.P. == | |||
| You recently changed an edit I did to Elaine Edwards page. I am a personal friend of Mrs. Edwards. I was showing her what your website said about her. She saw that you had that she was Catholic. She replied she is not Catholic, but a Christian. I asked her if she would like me to change it. Can you please change it back? ] (]) 14:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I haven't been that active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I was shocked to learn of Flyer22's passing while sorting through my watchlist. As someone who has worked and interacted with Flyer in film-related articles, I can attest that she was a productive and proficient member of this encyclopedia and her contributions have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. On a more personal note, I only wish her family the best. | |||
| :], per the ] policy, I should not. Neither should you. Your word is not a ]. We need a WP:Reliable source confirming that matter. ] (]) 14:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Rest in peace, Flyer. ''']]]''' 04:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Congratulations from STiki! == | |||
| ==A loss for the project== | |||
| I didn't know Flyer at all (just found out about this now) but I certainly noticed the prolific amount of work she put into WP. My condolences to her family. - ] 02:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Miss you == | |||
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| I just do. Rest in peace. ] (]) 11:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| == Rest In Peace == | |||
| We thank you both for ] to Misplaced Pages at-large and your use of the tool. | |||
| I’ve only just seen the awful news of your passing. This makes me regretful that our interactions were made antagonistic from my end. I feel I robbed myself of a better camaraderie with a dedicated and earnest editor such as yourself. Wherever you may be now, I wish you peace. ] 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| We hope you continue your ascent up the ] and stay in touch at the ]. Thank you and keep up the good work! {{#if: ||] (developer) and}} ] (]) 12:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == Deep and dreamless slumber == | |||
| == Spoilers == | |||
| What you consider to be "unnecessary spoiling" is not considered to be spoiling by many editors. As explained by {{u|Masem]] at ], Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia and "spoilers" are plot elements that support encyclopaedic coverage. By all means, draft a change to ], as you claim to be doing, but don't preempt the outcome of the proposal by removing what you consider to be spoilers from articles, as you did at ]. At best it's inappropriate, as WP:SPOILER has had wide support for a long time. --] (]) 18:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], what I consider to be unnecessary spoiling is, in fact, considered unnecessary spoiling by many editors. This is seen with cases like at ], and by multiple complaints at ], and various complaints by our readers across Misplaced Pages. And yet nothing is being about editors placing spoilers any and everywhere and using the ] guideline for justification. First of all, it is a guideline, not a policy. And there are indeed cases where we should not spoil, such as spoiling the twist ending in the lead of the ] article. If you were to add that spoiler to that lead, do you think most editors would support that it stay there if I started a WP:RfC on it? I don't. WP:Spoiler does not support spoiling any and everywhere without good cause, and yet it is used that way. I , "And let's not forget that I left in , for reasons explained. But the other one? No, I do not see it as necessary on a page that is meant to give a brief character description; that character has her own Misplaced Pages article, and I am against unnecessarily spoiling in the lead of her article or with a heading. I included the spoilers where readers should expect them or possibly expect them, and that's the way it should be." | |||
| :In the future, keep a dispute you have with me in one place. I do not like discussing the same thing in two or more places. ] (]) 18:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :On a side note: Even though I think it's best not to include huge spoilers unless necessary, I do understand the point that readers should expect spoilers in a plot section or in an article about characters where the sections are mostly plot. I've addressed the matter at ]. And I apologize if I came off as aggressive. A permalink for it is . ] (]) 20:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Cheers! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You're the first person to have ever thanked me for an edit on Misplaced Pages! Thank YOU! ] (]) 00:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your time, energy, and hard work improving Misplaced Pages. Your contributions live on here, in the articles themselves. May you always be remembered. ] (]) 19:48, 11 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
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== Damn... == | ||
| Been doing a bit too much of the alphabetical ordering, thanks for the tip. Should try to follow conventions more frequently, as I just found this and had never came upon it before. Also need to work on being more meticulous. Sorry if when I modify these notes on your page it keeps showing up as a new message. Thanks again. | |||
| -], 10 March 2016, 20:00 (UTC) | |||
| https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section | |||
| ==Starring== | |||
| Hello, there's currently a discussion ] and I need your opinion on it. This is related to that ]. Thanks. -- ] (]) 03:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], sorry for the late reply, but I don't see what I can state that will help that matter. This is clear by the ''Titanic'' discussion. BMK has his style, and, well...we both know where the issue goes from there. ] (]) 08:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for the response at least. -- ] (]) 13:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Hope you don't mind me posting here: == | |||
| But, tell me- all things being equal, does appear to be a natural question for an with ]...? Cheers, ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 18:28, 14 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], I'm not sure what to think about that case. But then again, these days, I'm not as concerned with WP:Socks and other returning editors. The socks who know I will recognize them immediately or soon enough usually know better than to interact with me or edit the articles I edit. As for the ones willing to risk it, I will usually make them regret it...sooner or later; they might not even see it coming. ] (]) 22:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Many thanks. We had a curious- but brief- conversation on their TP, which seems to be the end of the affair for the time being. But: peepers peeled :) Cheers, ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==hope this is right place== | |||
| no prob your reversion my edit, but the point is that most technical articles including the shor algorythm, are written at way to high a level with way to much jargon | |||
| article needs to be fixed; my edit was a not to gentle reminder that the academics who wrote the article have no clue as to what "general encylocpedia" means <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Hypersomnia == | |||
| This wasn't experimenting! | |||
| Use of amphetamines have dopaminergic effects (known fact), and also, prolonged use can cause cell death and consequently decrease in dopaminergic activity (known fact again). | |||
| In Parkinson's disease there's a decline in dopaminergic cells, which accounts for hyposmia. ] (]) 01:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry | |||
| Hyperosmia ] (]) 01:27, 17 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == YGM == | |||
| {{ygm}} sending momemntarily ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 06:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Copy editing in general (and in particular). == | |||
| As to UK-US spelling, typographic conventions (single quotes for reported speech but double quotes for dialogue) short paragraphs but long sentences (hopefully with appropriate punctuation) I can hold my hands up (but not interlace my fingers and turn around). Instead I reserve the right to bring the court's attention to my deprived background: for the first decade of my working life I worked 'in the print' in Quaint Old London Town back in the days when kerning was something that happened near a light box using a scalpel to cut lithographic film but was still occasionally accomplished with a mallet and chisel. (Yes, really: some of the larger decorative typefaces were wooden.) Given ''that'' kind of training it doesn't help when, as I just discovered, my spell checkers. ''all'' of them, are set up to conform to UK norms. | |||
| Now I'm aware I'll be sure to go with the flow re. the typographic conventions (Honest guv'nor!) but I can't pretend to actually ''like'' roaming the vast rolling steppes (prairies) of undifferentiated text searching for conclusions among the vast piles of supporting facts, hopefully by following a breadcrumb trail that signposts something interesting is about to jump off the page and if not bite me, at least engage my interest. No matter how immaculate the source, no matter how many in-line citations, no matter the provenance, in the land where the paragraph is rare, the comma is seldom seen and subordinate clause is an endangered species, all seemingly hunted to near-extinction by periods. (Or full stops as I would say, since when my eye hits a line of them in quick succession it's like driving down rail road tracks: even if you don't come to a juddering halt you really, really want to... and no, I don't do that, where I live the British Transport Police take a very dim very of trespassers. If they saw a driving down the they would probably send helicopters.) | |||
| If the problem is a matter of house style, fine. I will stand aside, see how it should be done. If that sounds a little juvenile I apologise but consider this: I have spent the better part of three decades wearing a succession of ill-fitting suits of clothes during working hours so yet another stylistic straitjacket is a turn-off: basically this Misplaced Pages business is a pass-time for me, albeit one in better cause and with a higher purpose than contributing to any given bulletin board and I suspect I'm not alone. | |||
| Bottom line polishing someone else's prose (and particularly to the point of policing another chap's punctuation) is ''not'' my thing... and I'm assuming it's not a huge issue since if it was a quotation bot would have messaged me in the same way the kindly Bracket Bot occasionally reminds me I forgot to close parentheses. If it's a matter of personal preference, or a cultural affinity with reading matter that's basically a grocery list I will have, regretfully, to take the well-meaning heads-up under advisement. | |||
| While I could blame my quaint national heritage but in this area I'm disinclined to do so, having invested (for which read wasted) far too many years trying to persuade committees sitting in various government departments and QUANGOs (QUasi Autonomous Government Organisations and yes, they are every bit as dire as they sound) that mere mortals can be communicated with in plain English. There the problem was a plethora of legal advisers so focussed on safeguarding the institutions from challenges they lost sight of the basic need to say things that were forthright, truthful and worthwhile. Oddly when that happened there was general amazement and rounds of self congratulation by the most die-hard obscurantists. In that light I'm confident even the most abstruse technical subjects ''can'' be explained comprehensibly... but rarely by anyone involved in the trench-fighting that created the agreed draft. | |||
| If the basic text is literally incomprehensible or very nearly so (impossibly dense, mind-bendingly abstruse, or written up in such obscure in such arcane terms the average person has little idea what they just read unless they take notes then read all the supporting material) I'd say that's at least an indication that text needs work... which takes me back to the business about the chisel: if an article needs a little gentle prising apart to let a little daylight in, I ''think'' I can manage that, but ''not'' grinding... and most particularly not polishing. | |||
| ~~Ebookomane~~ <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==Accolades Table on ''The Force Awakens'' discussion== | |||
| I have seen your previous involvement in article '']''. There is a discussion being held regarding to link Accolades section to '']'' and re-write the section in prose at main article. But one user has a objection and he is reverting constantly with his own reasons, which you can see on article's talk page ]. So far only three editors are in discussion please join and write your consensus on this. ] (]) 18:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Spoiler discussion == | |||
| Hi Flyer, just to let you know I got your "Spoiler" ping earlier this evening. Unfortunately I had my hands full with a very troublesome (and now indeffed) sock and I was against the clock because the sock got his ANI report in before mine and I'd done quite a bit of reverting so it was obviously imperative I corrected the record, so I didn't get a chance to comment at your RFC. Looking at it I see it's quite an extensive discussion and unfortunately I am about to go to bed! However, my next task on Misplaced Pages (unless my sock has reappeared) will be to read through it and post my comments, although I've got to be honest with you once discussions get that long they tend to default to "no consensus" regardless of what anyone says. Anyway, I'm just dropping you a note since I've been active since you pinged me and I don't want you to think I'm ignoring the ping. Take care. ] (]) 12:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, ]. I understand about being busy. ] (]) 17:44, 20 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Huffington Post as RS == | |||
| Hi Flyer, I saw an edit of yours where you stated Huff Post is a reliable source. Over at ], an editor is claiming that it is NOT a RS. I thought perhaps you could offer some insight on this, if you have the time. Thanks! ] (]) 14:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], what discussion is that where you saw me state that? Or did I state it in an edit summary? Whether or not '']'' is a ] depends. For example, in , I recently noted that ''The Huffington Post'' is not reliable for that context. See ]. That stated, because the community has been repeatedly divided on whether or not ''The Huffington Post'' is a WP:Reliable source, as seen if you search and archive, I usually avoid it. I recently used it for the ] article, but that's a fictional character article. ] (]) 18:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I realize it depends. What's your opinion on whether or not it's a reliable source ? The discussion I linked above centers on whether the color orange is worn by anyone on St. Patrick's Day. ] (]) 19:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::I will weigh in on the discussion. ] (]) 20:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Starcrossed article Cloud/Aerith deletion by TheJaff == | |||
| ] continues to delete Cloud/Aerith from the ] article. Please report his behavior. I have undid his edits and sent him multiple messages asking him to stop and he ignored and deleted my messages to his talk page. Thanks. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:30, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :IP, yes, I'd seen ]'s soon after he did it. I do not see what is left to tell him on this matter; he has been . But I will see about taking care of this matter later. ] (]) 19:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == A cheeseburger for you! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hope that you are angry with me, to get closer to you sending some cheeseburger to share and enjoy. May the true God (if exists, which I believe in) bless you. ] (]) 18:31, 24 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| |} | |||
| :<small>{{tpw}} ...surely you mean, "''not'' angry"...? ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 18:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :], I'm not hungry. And I'm a vegetarian. I what my issues with your editing are. Yes, your editing , but I'm more frustrated by the way you edit than anything else. ] (]) 20:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Is there a specific venue where I can seek help? == | |||
| Hello Flyer22 Reborn. There are some wiki articles related to LGBT topics that I feel need improvement and/or attention. Do you know of any specific venue or noticeboard for LGBT-related articles where I can post to make other editors aware of the articles that need attention? | |||
| Also, the article ] is using using prominent NARTH members, Neil and Briar Whitehead, as sources for a critique of a study. Both have been known to misrepresent studies to support their claims<ref>{{cite web|author1=Throckmorton W|title=NARTH authors again mislead readers: More on brain plasticity and sexual orientation|url=http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/09/06/narth-authors-again-mislead-readers-more-on-brain-plasticity-and-sexual-orientation/|publisher=]|accessdate=25 March 2016||date=September 6, 2009}}</ref> so I am doubtful if they can be considered reliable sources. Is it acceptable to use them or NARTH members in general as sources on Misplaced Pages? If yes, could you kindly check out the 'Sexual Preferences' article to see if they are being used in the acceptable way? —] (]) 18:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], as I'm almost entirely responsible for the content of that article, it would have been a courtesy to bring any concerns you have with it directly to me. I suggest that you discuss this issue further at the article's talk page. ] (]) 20:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry if you felt I was being discourteous ]. I just wanted to confirm if using NARTH members in general in LGBT contexts is acceptable or not before raising any issues. Not really sure what you want to discuss on the talk page. If you are responsible for the addition of the Whitehead's opinion, that means you think it is acceptable to include, unless you were unaware of their reputations and their affiliation with NARTH. —] (]) 22:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::], I would like to know what exactly the basis of your concern with the content sourced to the Whiteheads is. Do you believe they are misrepresenting the study? What evidence do you have of that? I can understand why you would be concerned if the Whiteheads were expressing fringe views, but as a look through the reception section of the article should confirm, they aren't. What the Whiteheads have said about the study is similar to what other commentators - such as Reiss, Fisher, and especially Zucker and Bradley - have said about it. So why single the Whiteheads out for criticism? These are the sort of issues I would have hoped you would be prepared to discuss, and the talk page of ] is the ideal place for that discussion. ] (]) 23:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The Sexual Preferences article isn't high on my priority list at the moment but don't worry, I will look into it in due time. Given the Whiteheads' affiliation with an organisation that aims to prove that homosexuality is caused almost entirely by social and/or environmental factors rather than actually objectively looking at what causes differences in sexual orientation and given their reputation of misrepresenting studies (and even using discredited sources) to support their claims, I do not see why it is hard to grasp my concerns relating to them being used as if they are sources as reliable as any other. Whether what they've said is corroborated by other authors and whether those other authors themselves are reliable will need to be checked. I will voice any objections I may have on the article's talk page. —] (]) 00:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Per ], it is a ''very'' bad idea to make unsupported, potentially defamatory assertions about living people. That rule applies everywhere on Misplaced Pages, including talk pages. I would ''strongly'' advise you not to repeat the claim that the Whiteheads have a "reputation of misrepresenting studies" if you cannot provide any evidence of that, which you have not so far. I also feel obliged to tell you that if you hope to score points in some discussion over article content, unproven and probably unprovable assertions like that are mostly unlikely to help you. Your response avoids answering the question I put to you: as other authors, including respected authors such as Zucker and Bradley, have said things about the Bell study very similar to what the Whiteheads have said, why would you suggest that the Whiteheads may be guilty of misrepresenting it? ] (]) 00:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::]: The first source I gave says "NARTH authors again mislead readers." The use of "again" should be a big clue that the NARTH authors in question (the Whiteheads) have a history and 'reputation' of misleading and misrepresentation. is another example of Mr. Whitehead being criticized for misrepresenting a study and a secondary source criticizes him for using the discredited Paul Cameron.<ref>{{cite web|title=Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet|url=http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html|website=psc.dss.ucdavis.edu|accessdate=27 March 2016}}</ref> While I have entertained your request for evidence, I get the feeling that you are still going to claim that this isn't evidence and instead of using your ability of deduction, you are going to expect me to spoon-feed you a source that uses the words "reputation of misrepresentation" so I think I'm just wasting my time here. Frankly speaking, your response above just seems like an unsuccessful attempt at intimidation tactics. I see no use in dragging this conversation further. —] (]) 10:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::], you are using blogs to cast doubt on someone's reputation. That's not considered acceptable here, per ]. The only thing these blog posts show is that the Whiteheads have been criticized and had accusations made against them on the internet. Many people get criticized and have accusations made against them on the internet, as you probably know. None of this determines what does and does not count as a reliable source on Misplaced Pages, since obviously the internet makes it very easy for anyone to make any kind of accusation against anyone. You can question whether anything written by the Whiteheads qualifies as a reliable source, but you are going about it absolutely the wrong way. ] (]) 20:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], sorry for the late reply. Since my work is no longer mainly computer-related, I'm therefore too busy these days to do anything on Misplaced Pages, except revert matters that need reverting and explaining why I reverted. That is, unless I'm off work on a certain day. As for a specific venue for LGBT-related articles, aren't you aware of ]? As for the ] stuff, you can take that matter to the ]. ] (]) 06:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for the helpful response ]. I was aware of WP:LGBT's existence but I did not know if it had a place for posting requests and questions. Upon closer inspection, it appears WP:LGBT's talk page is the appropriate venue I was looking for. Thank you for helping me find it. Regarding the NARTH stuff, since you are an experienced Wikipedian with thorough knowledge of policies and past consensuses, I was hoping you could let me know if there had been any decisions in the past regarding whether NARTH members can be used as sources or not for LGBT-related content. I guess when I find the time, I will take up the matter with the Reliable sources noticeboard you have linked to. Thanks again. | |||
| ::I know you are quite busy but I hope you didn't mind guiding me about this stuff. I've gotten a hand of editing and rules but I'm still in the process of learning about Misplaced Pages's venues for aiding editors. I appreciate the help. Regards —] (]) 22:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::], I'm not aware of any ban on NARTH, but you can see from and archive link that NARTH was discussed at the ] and the ] before. | |||
| :::Coming to my talk page about such matters is fine; no worries. ] (]) 05:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you for the links and your willingness to help ]. —] (]) 10:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| {{reflist}} | |||
| == DV == | |||
| Doesn't really seem to be an "or" sentence. The second half is dealing specifically with perp rates, so they are not opposing or mutually exclusive propositions. ] (]) 22:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :], regarding (followup edit ), my point is that some of the sources essentially state that "the rates are similar for the number of girls and boys in heterosexual relationships who report experiencing IPV" and other sources essentially state that "girls in heterosexual relationships are more likely than their male counterparts to report perpetrating IPV." Because sources differ on that, I don't see it as a "but" thing. | |||
| :On a side note: When you have concerns about an edit I made to an article, feel free to discus the matter at the article talk page; I prefer that since the article talk page is usually the more appropriate place, will therefore have documentation of the dispute or other concern, and usually has more eyes than an editor's talk page (well, depending on how high-traffic the article is and the number of watchers the editor has). The watchers at the article talk page are more relevant to the matter than the watchers of an editor's talk page. ] (]) 06:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == ANI close == | |||
| Hi. I've closed the above thread as outlined , and slightly clarified . Please have regard for the no-fault restriction imposed by this close, which is also logged at ]. | |||
| I appreciate that this may not be the outcome you would have preferred. Am happy to discuss if required, preferably on my talkpage. -- ] (]) 13:18, 1 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :While others are certainly correct that a more permanent ban is needed for this editor, especially since this editor will be at disruption again after the latest topic ban expires, and I didn't see consensus for a two-way ], your close is fine. I think that editor should know that this means do not "make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Misplaced Pages, directly or indirectly." And given what I stated about this editor mentioning me, that's a very good thing. I am only mentioning the editor now to clarify this. After this post, I will do what I can not to mention this editor anywhere on Misplaced Pages...for three months. The two-way ban shouldn't be much of a problem, since the editor is banned from gender and sexuality topics for three months and received a stern warning from you about following me. If I see the stalking pattern again, and it's to the point where I cannot even revert a problematic edit, or mention the problematic edit on the talk page, because of the two-way ban, then that will be a problem. Same goes for us coincidentally being at the same article, if it's a coincidence at all. | |||
| :Nice close. ] (]) 05:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| <s>I wanted to create this re-direct (all the other Greene's have one) but, it appears IPs can't create pages so... would you mind helping me out, old buddy, old pal? Please and thanks. Here's all you need: #REDIRECT ]. Thanks, sweetheart! All the best!]5:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></s> | |||
| ::User Cebr1979 has (''see the last paragraph'') after having been banned from editing the encyclopedia. Please do not support him in his efforts to evade the block. ] (<small>KTOM's ] & ]</small>) 21:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::], as you can see from the , and from the ] section below, it is very unlikely that I would assist Cebr1979. ] (]) 06:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Check Your Emails! == | |||
| {{YGM}} | |||
| ] or whatever has something he wants to say to you about me. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:53, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Funny.... == | |||
| Look, Flyer! You're so safe! ]'s around! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| :I see you've made a friend just like I have, Flyer22 Reborn.... ;-) ]<sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 08:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Have protected the page for a while, as we all have better things to do. Flyer22 Reborn, please let me know if you'd like it lifted ahead of time. -- ] (]) 09:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks, ]. Like I told another administrator (via email), ] clearly loses it when I ignore him. The ] and ] articles could also use semi-protection from Cebr1979 and his IPs. ] (]) 05:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::FWIW, I regret everything. Now he thinks I'm his buddy. ]<sub>(])</sub> 06:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::When you made , I understood why you did, even though the IP (Cebr1979) went overboard with removal of "that" (which is clear by grammar experts who debate whether to use "that" when it's actually not needed). In other words, I saw merit in a lot of the edits, but I reverted the IP because any validation of his grammar edits drives him to think that his grammar skills are top notch...when they are not (as made clear by ] that helped seal his fate), and because he will continue to think he is a net positive for Misplaced Pages...when he is not. As you know, I reverted a few of his edits after you restored them and replied to him via . But attention is what he wants from me, and I am loath to give it to him unless reverting him without comment. ] (]) 06:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Childish. (not you, obviously, but Cebr) ] <sup>]] ]]</sup> 01:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == DV == | |||
| Maybe chill on DV for a sec. I'm going to put on my patient hat and see what happens. I don't want there to be any tension based on past issues. Please continue to monitor, and if things go south we'll do what we do. There's no shortage of rope in the world, and there is certainly a shortage of motivated new editors. I'm no slouch on reverting, so no worries there. Worth a shot right? ] 23:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Regarding and , a ] is a WP:Topic ban, and, as you know, I have absolutely no patience for... Well, I would state more, but you already know how I feel, and there is a ] for me to respect. ] (]) 23:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::To be fair, she's intentionally not interacted with you. If she does the same thing with someone else, then it's more rope. If they don't then it's evidence that the IBan was effective. Seems like a win win. ] 01:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Also I don't understand the relevance of the Euryalus link. Was there a related SPI? ] 01:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::I cannot state much on this matter without violating the interaction ban, and so I'd rather this discussion wrap up. But I will state the following: When an editor is topic-banned, I expect that editor to adhere to the topic ban. In such cases, I am usually not open to the topic ban being ignored, especially if I played a part in seeing that the topic ban was put in place. If I seek a topic ban, it is for a very good reason. In , ] stated, in part, "That editor mainly edits in gender and sexuality-related articles. Please stay away from these articles for the duration of the topic ban. Please also stay away from this editor on any other articles, for the duration of the interaction ban." While I wouldn't state that I edit a lot of gender topics, it does not take a genius to understand what a gender topic or gender-related topic is. Domestic violence clearly falls in both categories. And if an editor somehow doubts that domestic violence is a gender topic or gender-related topic, Euryalus also "broadly construed." Despite , nowhere is it implied that editing gender topics is okay as long as the edit concerns something that is not directly about gender. | |||
| :::As for my "23:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)" post above, I linked to the Euryalus talk page above because I commented there about the topic ban. ] (]) 06:03, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ah, as I was. I thought here was an IBan, not a TBan. That is a bit different. ] 10:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{tps}}FWIW, the behavior of the other editor was pretty clearly NOTHERE. Raising silly fringe notions and tendentious argument is clearly not helping anything. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Feel free to comment on the proposed merge that I made on this article. | |||
| You seem to be very active on most LGBT related topics, don't worry, I won't accuse you of following me to that article. ] (]) 07:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Most LGBT-related topics? Not at all. Mainly the major ones, and I'm not very active on most of them. As for following, it's the logical conclusion that you followed me It is not the logical conclusion that I followed you to the Cissexism article. But don't worry; I'm used to people following me after getting out of a heated discussion (in this case, ) with me. ] (]) 08:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :: I usually take it as a compliment if an editor follows me to another article, as long as they aren't a dick about it. At least I know that I got their attention. ] (]) 08:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::In my case, when it comes to editors I just got through arguing with, following me is usually to annoy or harass me, and a number of my talk page watchers can attest to that. If I have no patience for such a matter, I cite ] and do something about it. In the case of you having followed me, you had something to state on the relevant policy page about my sockpuppet-catching tactics (that I absolutely stand by, given my excellent history of being right); so I don't mind much at this time, despite your attempted mud-slinging. ] (]) 09:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 09:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::: It's all about relevance. It someone has something relevant to say, then I couldn't care about ]. Besides, I've found myself reverting an editor on one article, and supporting their edits on the next, life is too short for caring too much about stuff happening online. ] (]) 09:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I will attest to Flyer22 getting harassed. I didn't agree with Flyer about the preserve vs burden thing, but if you are starting to follow her around Spacecowboy, that is a very, very bad idea. You would do better to disengage. ] (]) 09:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == A message for you== | |||
| ::::::: I'm not about to make someone else's talk page into my personal battlefield, so I will make this as succinct as possible. I commented on a sock-puppet talk page, regarding a sock-puppet related interaction that Flyer and I had in the past. I don't see that as an issue. I invited Flyer to comment on a talk page for a LGBT related article, due to me encountering Flyer in the past on similar articles. Again, not as issue. This was a peace offering, seeing as it's a nice Friday evening, and grudges should never be carried over the weekend. No need to disengage from anything, but thanks for caring. ] (]) 10:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for all your service. You will be remembered. ] (]) 11:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Precious and remembered == | |||
| ::::::::I think it is just best that you disengage on this page and take {{u|Jytdog}}'s excellent advice. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{User QAIbox/auto|years=Seven}} --] (]) 07:38, 24 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == It hurts to know you are gone == | |||
| :::: I think it's best that you don't concern yourself with my edits and move along. I see nothing rude, disruptive or invasive in my comments, so I don't welcome your intrusion into this matter. ] (]) 06:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Flyer, you are missed, remembered, and mourned. Misplaced Pages is a darker place without you. ]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">(])</small></sup> 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musalyar == | |||
| {{-}} | |||
| Hi, good morning | |||
| == A candle for those we lost == | |||
| please revert to | |||
| Thanks ] (]) 00:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| :], I already made and you thanked me for it via ]. Is your post here meant to thank me again? I sense a language barrier between us. Either way, that editor will likely revert me again, and it's likely that I don't have the passion to see to it that the inappropriate changes stop. Also, that article needs works as a whole. ] (]) 04:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 09:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Let's block these users from editing the page (] and ]) check - ] (]) 03:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == So sorry == | |||
| == Could you take a look at this? == | |||
| I only just now heard this sad news. Flyer22 was one of the good ones - I'm very sorry to hear of her illness and death. <strong>]</strong>/<small>]</small> 01:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry to hear == | |||
| :], I see that you mean . It wasn't a ] violation, but it obviously wasn't good content either. ] (]) 05:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I have been away from Misplaced Pages and I return to see the sad passing of not only Flyer22 but SarahSV who commented on the discussion about Flyer's obituary just months before her own death. I am generally a skeptic but I always hold out hope for some form of an afterlife, in some dimension, some universe, some time, somewhere. Best wishes. ] (]) 04:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, I appreciate your taking a look. ] (]) 11:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Always precious == | |||
| ==Danny DeVito== | |||
| ] | |||
| Eight years ago, ] were found precious. You will be remembered! --] (]) 21:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your absence is still felt== | |||
| I left an edit on ] and I had found that it was constructive, in showing that he still has some relevancy. You had removed it earlier, and I was wondering if you could replace it. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ] | |||
| I've been thinking about you the last little while, Flye. A new friend here has a memoriam page for lost community members and it got me thinking of you and others I will always miss here in my own time remaining. Actually, she reminds me of you in the more general sense as well, now that I think about it; I think you would really liked her. I don't believe in an immaterial soul, other than in a metaphorical sense, so I'm not sure who I'm talking to. Myself, I guess. I just felt the need to say I miss you, and still can't help but think of you when working on certain things. I'll check in on some of your articles for you. '']]'' 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{User|Rdpfluke3}}, no, was inappropriate; see ]. ] (]) 03:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Devastated == | |||
| I don't see anything wrong with what I added. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I took a break from editing in 2019 and I came back today. While I was gone, I thought many times about what a brave and strong editor you are, how Misplaced Pages is in safe hands as long as you keep watch, how you manage to dedicate so much of your time to ensuring Misplaced Pages stayed good, and how I would message you as soon as I come back. Now that I'm back 5 years later, I learn that not only are you retired, but that you passed away in 2021... | |||
| ==Religious views of the Beatles?== | |||
| I cannot describe my shock and pain. I wish you are not actually gone but just taking a break from Misplaced Pages. I wish you are still here through some other account. Anything but the news of your passing. We had a somewhat antagonistic start but I soon came to realize that you were actually trying to help. You were so smart, so caring, so helpful, so dedicated, so courageous, full of integrity. You were my go-to person if I ever needed help regarding Misplaced Pages policies or anything really. You were my mentor. I will miss you so much Flyer. I am still shocked. I wish I had known you more, though that would have made news of your passing even more painful. I feel like I've lost a friend and want to mourn. | |||
| I saw your message about an edit I made on that page and I can honestly say that I don't remember ever making any edits to it, so I guess I have no problems with any changes you made there! | |||
| (it's been a long time, I don't remember how to sign, I'm sorry) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Thank you for your matchless contributions to Misplaced Pages, your guidance, your help and the kindness you showed to me. I will always remember you. My heartfelt condolences to your family. - ] (]) 14:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Update: I just checked out my edit history and realized that I'm not actually signed in! I'm supposed to be the user Chevellefan11, so that would explain why I don't remember those edits, I never made them! I must have picked up another IP address or something? No matter. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Latest revision as of 14:28, 17 October 2024
 | Respectful comments of remembrance may be left below. |
Regarding this? Looking at all of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine/Evidence and knowing I'd be subjected to similar, and how certain editors go all out to prove false narratives, I cannot deal with that. Like some editors (including Girth Summit) know, I am dealing with COVID issues in the family. That is not something I just made up to get out of going through this "must take down Flyer" thing. It was happening before that, and it's gotten worse. I have a brother (not the one who edits here) in intensive care and a sister who was just put on a ventilator. I already lost an uncle to the virus. And editing here is supposed to help me take my mind off of stuff like that, not be subjected to as much stress and time-wasting that an ArbCom case entails.
I have said goodbye to editors here already. And I will say this before I leave: The argument from a few at the request page that ANI failed an editor because the admins are biased in my favor? Are we to honestly believe that I control all of these well-respected admins? They have their own minds and have disagreed with me before. They saw what they saw. So for this case to be accepted? It feels like this case would have been accepted regardless of the many requests to decline it. This case isn't about the private evidence -- material that I didn't write but am accused of writing. Material that was not passed on to me for scrutiny. None of the Arbs accepted the case on the basis of that "evidence", which speaks to just how immaterial it is. I acknowledge that I haven't always been the most civil. Editors on the case page noted that I work in areas where tempers flare. That's true. Editors accusing me of having been uncivil to them have also been uncivil to me at one point or another, often in the very discussions they've linked to. Beeblebrox stated, "Arbcom is not a court, it's purpose is to stop current and sustained disruption of the project, not to punish users for things they may have done in the past." But that is exactly what the request points to -- a free-for-all for anyone who has ever been in a heated dispute with me, with the added bonus of portraying my behavior as bullying, transphobic, or something else that it isn't. Consensus did not conclude that I was hounding or bullying anyone. Adhering to our policies and guidelines and expecting others to do the same is not bullying or being discriminatory. Criticisms are not automatically personal attacks. And commentary about what took place here at my own talk page can be seen here with my "18:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)" post (scroll on down).
The claim that I went after anyone at WP:Med and made participation at WT:Med talk pages unbearable is false. For example, Sandy and I got along just fine for years until the Medicine ArbCom case and I continued to support Doc James -- our most influential and respected medical editor, who has been the face of WP:Med for years. These "just fine" interactions include stuff like this, this, this, this, this, this, and the view that I am a fine editor for new medical editors to work with. I was never a problem at WP:Med. I have a long history there. And the only supposed instance of me being problematic there is the claim that I was driving away a newcomer. As documented there with evidence, I criticized a newcomer for the same exact thing another editor criticized others for when it comes to adding quality sources. Like me, Girth saw no merit to the incivility claims leveled against me in that discussion. At the moment, I can only recall one other heated discussion I was involved in at WP:Med. And that is this one about the Battered woman syndrome article. But it was just that -- a heated discussion. It was not me being a problem. And, indeed, because of my arguments there and at the article's talk page, the article was moved to its proper name and appropriately expanded. Disagreements over MOS:MED, such as this one in a collapsed box which started off by me suggesting that we discuss significant changes before we make them (and then getting the reply I did), this one where I questioned removing guidance and pinged previously involved editors who helped craft the current MOS:MED guideline (which is perfectly fine per WP:APPNOTE), and challenging what were the "golden years" of WP:Med, does not equate to me being disruptive.
That's all I have say. This is not how I wanted to leave Misplaced Pages. But with my own declining health, it was only a matter of time anyway. Take care.
Flowers for Flyer
| “ |
Nor shall death brag thou wander'st in his shade, |
” |
| — William Shakespeare, Sonnet 18 | ||
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Goodbye
- Not what I wanted to wake up to. You take care of yourself; you and your families health is much more important than any drama that happens here. It has been a pleasure working with you and watching you work. Misplaced Pages has just lost one of their best editors. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the project over the years. You will be missed. AIRcorn (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, this truly sucks. Maybe after your health issues are resolved, and the drama dies down, you can come back. That will always be my hope. Take care, happy holidays, and best to you. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I am very sad to see you go. After losing editors like Doc James, and now you, how many highly valuable users must this ArbCom chase off the site? I think the essay about the problem of WP:SEALIONs aptly describes the situation:
As a result of the arbitration committee's failure to deal with these issues, the committee has effectively abdicated the responsibility for ensuring neutrality, verifiability, and other content standards to a few users...who patrol these articles and attempt to keep them free of disruption. These users are generally very knowledgeable about the subject and committed to Misplaced Pages's policies on proper sourcing and appropriate weight. Unfortunately, they tend to burn out....The patient ones tend to go more quietly. They become disillusioned by the never-ending problems and the lack of support from the Misplaced Pages community, and stop editing on these topics or quit the site entirely.
That is what happened today - even though many more in the community do support you, as you saw. I also would have had plenty of diffs presented about how those few disgruntled users ganging up on you and pinging each other are in fact the problem. And as for how you are with newbies, the only reason I became a regular editor is because you were kind to me and I saw from your example that improving Misplaced Pages really was possible. Thank you for your many years of service and hundreds of thousands of edits. The topic of human sexuality, among many others, have benefited greatly. You should take great pride in all you've accomplished over the years. I hope you enjoy your retirement to the fullest degree possible. I also wish the best for you and your family regarding health and the other issues of life. The rest of us will undoubtedly step up our work to ensure continued quality in these areas. I hold out hope that one day you will choose to come back. If so, you will be warmly welcomed. Kind regards, Crossroads 18:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC) - (edit conflict) I echo the comments made by Aircorn and Crossroads. I have worked with you on a few different articles and you have been extremely helpful and pleasant to contribute with. I wish you all of the best with your off-wiki situation and hope to see you back in the future. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I likewise echo the above sentiments. Thanks to you, I have learned so much about what it takes to improve as an editor and make productive contributions. I think your absence from Misplaced Pages will be a huge loss as I find your work on articles and your dedication to this site invaluable. This situation really sucks. You've been a guide for me on what a good, even-minded, well-sourced, and thoughtful contributions to a wiki looks like and I so appreciate all of the advice and guidance you have given me. I really hope you decide to come back one day. I am so sorry to hear about the health issues occurring with you and in your family. I will keep thinking of you and I wish only good things for you, Flyer. Anatashala (talk) 20:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Desiderata--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- If this retirment is permanent, then I'll deeply miss you. Best wishes to you and your family either way. The sooner your health improves, the better. I know from experience how it can be very frustrating when things go badly on Misplaced Pages. Sometimes we just need to temporarily step away from it all before spending time on the site is enjoyable again. Hopefully you return at some point. No matter what follows in your future, know that you won't be forgotten. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry to hear about your retirement and your health issues, Flyer. The door is always open to you should you choose to return to Misplaced Pages in the future. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I miss you already. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- At least the legacy of your 14 years of labour here will be improving the world's understanding for many decades to come. I'll say prayers for the health of yourself and your family. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Very sorry to hear the terrible health news. Please take care, best wishes, and thanks for all your great work. Johnuniq (talk) 09:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- This news is just absolutely devastating. I have many women's articles on my radar but through the years as I've seen controversies come and go I've always known that we had the capable hands of Flyer to keep and restore our women-related articles to reflect a modern-day acceptance of the rights, the accomplishments, the history, etc. of women. Flyer easily falls into the top three leading editors when it comes to women. I pray that once Flyer's health problems are resolved she will return. Flyer is our very own Gloria, Florence, Rosie, Sojourner, Malala, and so many others who have had the persistence and the courage to speak out for women. Gandydancer (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC) (PS, just so it's understood, like the rest of us Flyer does not walk on water! Re the MED sourcing disagreement, IMO Colin and Waid were right.) Gandydancer (talk) 16:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- You were one of the first editors I remember encountering on here when I first started editing many moons ago, and I've always been blown away by the heart and dedication you've poured into your contributions. If there's one thing I've always known about you, it's that your motives were always clear and never hidden. Though we may have disagreed at times, I never doubted that you always had WP's best interests at heart. No single editor can fill the gaping hole left behind in the wake of your departure. You will be sorely missed. May God bless you and your family during these difficult times. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- This makes me so sad. You are one of our finest and our best. I can't bring myself to write that in the past tense. Take good care of yourself, Flyer, and come back to us whenever you're ready. As the Quakers say, I will hold you and your family in the Light. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 01:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Very sad to see WP lose a fine editor who contributed with a lot of heart and soul. I read enough of the discussion to come to the conclusion that you were railroaded. Best wishes and hope you return. Carlstak (talk) 02:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I feel terrible reading about your experiences with the virus, it's nightmarish that this is happening to anyone, let alone someone so recognizable to many people. We did not interact a lot but I've seen you tons of times and I'm well aware that you've done great work for Misplaced Pages. I'm also saddened to learn that you have had to deal with ANI issues and conflicts here on the site. Misplaced Pages will be worse off with you gone, but the most important thing is for you to make sure to do what's best for you and those close to you.★Trekker (talk) 05:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I am very disappointed to see you leave, Flyer. As more editors like you leave the project Wikpedia will slide further into advocacy. Unfortunately ArbCom doesn't seem to appreciate that by accepting the case they would be perpetuating the harassment you are experiencing. Being put on trial and having to defend yourself is a stressful experience, and nobody should be put through that unless there is clearly a problem. I think they have been too quick in accepting the case. ArbCom should review the three ANI cases first and only take on the case if they feel that those cases arrived at the incorrect conclusions. I hope your family's fortunes pick up over Christmas. Betty Logan (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- We were never buddies, Flyer, but I greatly admire and respect the enormous responsibility you took over having our most contested and vandalized gender & sexuality articles on your Watchlist. An ArbCom case doesn't inevitably lead to sanctions but being a participant in a case proceeding can be taxing. Having lost my last aunt & uncle to COVID-19 this spring, my thoughts are with your family. Take a break from Misplaced Pages if this is stressful and tend to more important matters. But come back when this plague has lifted because the project needs you. Liz 03:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Flyer, it definitely sounds like you need and deserve a break from the grind here. I hope you are able to put the Arbcom nastiness and drama from your mind and focus on the real life things that really matter. I hope your family members get better and that you stay safe. Hang in there. ~Awilley (talk) 07:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Best wishes for your family's COVID troubles, I'm so sorry to hear it. I hope taking a break will help with the stress. —valereee (talk) 15:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Best wishes for you and your family. You have been failed by two communities now, and that sucks, but I hope that both improve and we'll see you around again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:42, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- So very sad to see you go. I hope you and your family are well. This website has treated you terribly and over the years I've been witness to the number of times, by virtue of the areas you edit in, you have been harrassed or wikistalked, and it's very sad to see this final straw. I don't think we deserve you back; what you do deserve is a wonderful time in the real world :). Yours --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have not interacted with you, but I have seen your name here and there, and I am extremely disappointed to see another valued and principled editor leave the project, especially in this nasty/drama way. I admire greatly editors who roll their sleeves up and do the difficult work for the good of the encyclopedia. I hope that you are able to take a break, look after your family and come back to us when all is well again. Family comes first. RandomGnome (talk) 07:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sure I don't have to tell how personally grieved I would be if you left and didn't return. And also what a blow it would be the Misplaced Pages, and by extension the world. I'm sorry all this happened. I hope you change your mind. Herostratus (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Flyer. We interacted a few times over the years. I have not been very active on Misplaced Pages during the past couple of years due to multiple issues, but I have always admired your work and dedication to improve Misplaced Pages. Best wishes to you and your family. Mistercontributer (talk) 03:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- I only just noticed your retirement now. Thank you for all that you've done for Misplaced Pages and although this is a well deserved break I hope that you eventually consider editing again in better circumstances. Farewell, —PaleoNeonate – 17:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Too young to go. I don't know you personally, but I saw you many times at the Anatomy project talk page. You always tried to brush-up difficult pages (e.g. sex organs). I respect your efforts. Thank you and rest in peace. (or edit more at WikiHeaven!) --Was a bee (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I can't believe this happened. I know we didn't interact much, but thank you for being with us on Misplaced Pages all these years. Goodbye friend. My condolences to the friends and family of Flyer22 Frozen. Jerm (talk) 20:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Farewell barnstar
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The Working Woman's Barnstar |
| For all of your dedication to helping improve this site for over a decade, I feel you deserve some props. I feel very grateful for how we crossed paths and know I'm far from the only one who values your contributions. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC) |
Comment
Wiki MUST change the arbitration system. Maybe do it in private in the beginning and then open it up for comment before decision making. Sorry for my outburst on your talk page. I am just a simple editor. Eschoryii (talk) 04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Best wishes
Flyer22, I'm not at all caught up (like maybe 1 percent), but I still wanted to first and foremost extend my best wishes to you and your family and to your collective health.
- A candle among roses
- In the evening garden
- A shooting star
- A flash of the moon's gown
- A spark of the sun's hem
- In syncopated eclipse
- Emissary of day
- In night's dark kingdom
- Unseen at home
- Lucid in exile
- Opposite of the moth
- The firefly is light
All the best, El_C 08:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think the light is gone out. Doug Weller talk 11:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sad news indeed. She did so much amazing work here. Created high quality and needed content in a very difficult topic area. She will be impossible to replace and will be much missed by many. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I understand as well, and unfortunately while she was under the burden of an arbitration case. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar |
| In recognition of all the years you spent making Misplaced Pages better than you found it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC) |
child protection
Thank you , user with significant knowledge in the social/scientific/psychological/sexual fields, for quality unbiased articles on these topics, such as Clitoris and Todd Manning, for explaining edit summaries, for your firm stance on child protection, for your collection of vandalism moments, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
You are recipient no. 982 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing to add but that you were unique - dealing bravely with topics others would not dare to touch - and you will be missed and remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in Peace
Reading of your passing is sad news. You did so much to improve and protect the project. You will be sadly missed here and, I feel sure, in real life. My deepest condolences to your family and friends. MarnetteD|Talk 15:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I am truly sadden by this news. Fly was my friend! I first met her back in 2014, while working on Todd Manning, a soap opera article we brought to FA--at the time, the sixth FA-Class soap opera article and the third FA about a soap character. Fly was a polarizing figure here on WP (you either loved her or well, didn't love her), but she always treated me with respect and kindness. We supported each other and were always there for each other. I was always appalled about how factions of WP treated her. She was a dedicated and passionate editor. I loved her and will miss her, and WP (and the world) will be a much, much sadder place without her. My condolences to her family. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Sad cat
—PaleoNeonate – 16:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
Goodbye Flyer22. You will be missed. :( Steve M (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I miss you, Flyer. My deepest condolences to your family for the loss of someone who was clearly a very special and caring person. I made a donation today to Oxfam Canada to honour you and to give myself hope that the work you have done for women and children will somehow continue. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't recall working on any specific article with Flyer (I'm more a friend of a friend) - but I always respected what they had to say, and I CERTAINLY appreciate all the hard work they put in here at Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry to see this, and I offer my condolences to friends and family of someone who I viewed as a very good person. Rest well Flyer. — Ched (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Ave Maria, gratia plena, Maria, gratia plena, Maria, gratia plena, Ave, Ave, Dominus, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus, Et benedictus fructus ventris (tui), Ventris tui, Jesus. Ave Maria!
Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, Ora, ora pro nobis; Ora, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, Nunc et in hora mortis, In hora mortis nostrae. In hora, hora mortis nostrae, In hora mortis nostrae. Ave Maria! |
- no words to express--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- You will be missed my friend. Love. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank-you, Flyer
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| Flyer, so much of it is thanks to you that I was able to develop and improve as an editor over the years -- not simply on Misplaced Pages but on other wikis as well, in addition to many collaborative efforts building shared documents. When I returned to Misplaced Pages and asked you a question on your talk page, you were so kind, welcoming, and helpful, and I felt 100% better about my return. I can't tell you how much I appreciated your guidance on Misplaced Pages matters. Over the years, whenever I saw you were involved with an article on Misplaced Pages, I felt that much more secure with the veracity and quality of that article. Your passing represents an immeasurable loss for Misplaced Pages as well as all the editors you've guided and helped in their development. Anatashala (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC) |
I'm stunned by this news. Flyer was a boon to Misplaced Pages. Though I'm a seasonal editor at best, I am a frequent lurker -- referencing Misplaced Pages daily, using it as a place to begin my research using its sources. Many of those sources were vetted by Flyer as the articles I'd often reference were ones Flyer was involved with. Over the past seven years, I saw the dedication, effort, and devotion she put into improving and maintaining the qualities of these articles. It's nearly impossible for me to imagine a Misplaced Pages without her and I can only imagine the loss felt by her family and friends. It's even a struggle for myself to come to terms with and I didn't even know her name. I am so sorry for the devastating loss of Flyer experienced by her family and friends, beyond deeply saddened that Flyer passed, and I feel this is a major loss for Misplaced Pages.
Thank-you, Flyer, for your guidance and your part in helping me develop as an editor and collaborator. I miss you so much on this site, you were a gift. Anatashala (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
We will miss you, Flyer22
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This is indeed a very sad day. I first crossed paths with Flyer22 nearly 10 years ago. My first thought was, "this guy must be an F-22 pilot". We've never had much interaction, because when she crossed my watchlist it was usually because of her relentless work in patrolling new edits. But I have had a chance to observe over the years, and see first hand some of what she doesdid through my activities at BLPN.
At Misplaced Pages, we're all supposed to be equal ... in theory. But, as Yogi Berra said, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is."
I've always been proud to be a part of Misplaced Pages. It's always been gratifying, if not somewhat humbling, to be able to work among so many people who are so incredibly intelligent and have such high integrity. But, like all society, there are always certain individuals who stand out among the crowd. People who you can look up to. Polyamorph. Materialscientist. SlimVirgin. Doc James up there. Seeing what Flyer22 has done for Misplaced Pages over the years, I have always held her in the highest esteem. She too has stood out among the crowd, and her loss is a devastating blow, not just to Misplaced Pages, but to her family and to the world. We will miss you Flyer22, and may whatever god, chi, or spirit you believe in take you and carry you. There are many here who will mourn this day for some time.
The force will be with you. Always. Zaereth (talk) 18:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Devastated
I cannot believe you're gone, Flyer22 Frozen. When I glanced at your talk page a few minutes ago, I thought you'd retired and I was going to leave a goodbye and thank you note to you, with a wish that you'd return to us one day.
But then I read further, and I'm devastated. :'( I remember our interactions from years ago, keeping BLPs free from bad content and being kind to one another. I am utterly saddened that those days are gone for good.
Thank you so much for everything you did. Best wishes to your family. Acalamari 19:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
I've very sorry to have you leave us Springee (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Sad
So sorry to hear the news, greatest sympathies to Flyer22's family and friends. Although I had my disagreement's with Flyer22, I recognised she did important work especially in the area of WP:BLP which greatly improved and protected Misplaced Pages. Nil Einne (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
In memory
- Thanks for many contributions. Rest in peace and condolences to family and friends. Alanscottwalker (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm shocked and saddened to hear this news. Flyer22 is an editor I've been familiar with for as long as I can remember in my Misplaced Pages experience, and literally the first editor I remember thinking about as a highly respectable and valuable contributor with a lot to teach others. Our interactions probably do not number that many, but I've seen a great number of their edits and talk page messages. Whether I agreed with her or not, I always saw Flyer22 as an intelligent and good faith contributor whose opinion I gave significant weight. There's no denying that she had a great many Misplaced Pages-specific skills, whether an eye for socks or an eye for finding good sources. She will be sorely missed; her edits have made a great impact on this encyclopedia both to us as editors and to our worldwide audience, whether they know it or not. — Bilorv (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is devastating news. Flyer's work was first class and of immense benefit to Misplaced Pages. She will be greatly missed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- So very sad to hear. You are irreplaceable, Flyer22 Frozen. We will always love you. Carlstak (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- RIP ... I'll always remember your diligence, tenacity, and passion for the project. Misplaced Pages is certainly a better place thanks to the contributions you made to the site. Graham87 08:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to add my condolences to Flyer22's family. I've spent a lot of time reviewing Flyer's contributions recently and would like to take this moment to say how much of an asset she was to the community. She will be missed. Worm(talk) 08:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am very sad to learn of Flyer's passing. I did not know Flyer personally but we had some interactions on Misplaced Pages. Flyer dedicated so much of her time and energy researching and improving Misplaced Pages. We should all follow her example. Her contributions will last a very long time. This will be her legacy. Sincere condolences to her family and friends and loved ones. Mistercontributer (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just now learning of this. Rest in peace, Flyer. Your work here is exceptional. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 14:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Shocked and saddened. She was one of the editors I looked up to. My condolences to her family and friends. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
My condolences to your family and friends. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Same, please take care, family and friends. starship.paint (exalt) 04:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Awful.
This is awful, just awful. I don't ever recall feeling this shocked, upset, and sad about the notice of someone passing that I never met in real life. I'm really very, very upset. She leaves a hole that can never be filled. My condolences to Halo Jerk1; please pass on my thoughts to other members of your family, and let them know there are people who really cared and felt her presence, though in my case, never knew her personally. She will be deeply missed. If there is one Misplaced Pages editor I would have liked to meet in real life, and get to know, it was she; now I never shall. I am so sad. Mathglot (talk) 21:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Mathglot, I feel this. I cried when I saw this. For about a hour. It hits you hard because many of us are faceless, pseudonymous comrades who carry the torch of the wiki. May you be granted peace in your grief. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 02:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I cried when I saw the news this morning, and I've been processing it all day. The loss is just immense. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not over this loss. I think about this void, my loss, Misplaced Pages's loss, every time I'm at an article which Flyer would have improved, or commented on. Trying to channel her, to figure out what she might have said or done; but I'm not up to that task, she was unique. Not over this. Mathglot (talk) 18:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- This sucks. I'm p.o.'d. Mathglot (talk) 01:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Still upset. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
For those interested
User:Flyer22 Frozen/Editing manual left after death, written in 2013... I've protected Flyer's subpages, which included some drafts; if you want them unportected so you can work on them just ask. Moneytrees🏝️ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
My Benediction For You
Peace to you and to your family. May your memory and contributions forever bless our project. You were are loved. I know I'll miss you. May we meet again on some wiki project in the next life. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
May you rest peacefully in eternity
- I was concerned to see that you had retired, and shocked to learn that you had passed. We never had the opportunity to interact, but I feel the loss of a good editor, nonetheless. My condolences to your survivors, all those you loved and befriended. Rest in peace, Flyer22. Atsme 💬 📧 22:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. Miniapolis 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sad news. Your work in Misplaced Pages will be appreciate for the eternity. Rest in peace Flyer. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- We will miss you; rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to your family. Miniapolis 00:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm so sad to learn of this
I've crossed paths with Flyer so many times over the years, and I'm absolutely shocked and devastated to learn of her death. She made so many outstanding contributions to the project, and she will be much missed, as an editor and as a person. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Very upset to hear of this ...
I've been thinking on this all day, and really can't put it well into words. I'm one of the few folks who knows Flyer22's name, and have spoken with her and her brother more than once. Behind the scenes, she did immense work on identifying banned editors - many pro-pedo ones - and this annoyed some of those folks, to the point that she was getting credible death threats and rape threats. I remember all that. Yet, she put her head down and kept working on the project, and did so for many years. I have a huge amount of respect for her and what she achieved, though we didn't always agree either. I am shocked and saddened that she is gone - I really don't know what to say - Alison 01:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wow. I never knew that part of the story, although it was apparent something had happened back then, I just never knew the details. That's pretty scary, but it explains a lot. I've had the privilege of talking with her on occasion, and offered her advice she didn't always agree with. I don't know her real name and never really gave it a thought. She'll always be Flyer22 to me.
- I'm like Mathglot. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, over someone I've never really met. She was a shining star, and I'm just thinking ... hoping, that maybe she's up there somewhere, and maybe the sky won't be a little less bright tonight. Zaereth (talk) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- A great loss to Misplaced Pages. Condolences to her family and many friends, on and off wiki. For many years, she watched over important articles in sexuality and gender topics and that made her a target for some of the worst harassment on ENWP. Yet, she kept showing up in the true spirit of Wikipedians who believe in our mission. She will be greatly missed. Sydney Poore/FloNightUser talk:FloNight 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Dreadful shock
Woke up today and saw this fell news. Daresay I'm at a loss for words, had difficulty believing my eyes at first. I've crossed paths with Flyer22 in countervandalism and counter-LTA activities often, and it to me seems a disastrous loss to the community as a whole. Flyer22 (as Alison mentioned above) did valuable work for the encyclopedia. Now we have only a hollow that can never be filled. Rest in peace, Flyer22. We'll never forget your contributions. My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to Flyer's family. JavaHurricane 02:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
The North remembers
Just going over our old GoT debates, good times. If you happen to somehow read this, thanks for that. Sorry and good luck to friends and family reading this; from what she taught me at Talk:The Bells (Game of Thrones)/Archive 1#"Mixed" Reviews? (twelve walls of text down), she seemed proud to be part of her pack. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Seven years on, I still think "however" is too often thoughtlessly misused, however. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace... this is devastating.
I never crossed paths with Flyer22 (only seen her in early January when I found them reverting some vandalism on articles under WPTC banner back in December), but seeing this news pretty much devastated me. Flyer22's death is devastating, devastating loss for Misplaced Pages. I don't have more words about this, but I am hoping that there is some editor that can rise up to fill the void. MarioJump83! 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Devastating is exactly the right word. BD2412 T 16:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Miss you
I am devastated. You did so much good for me, for other editors, for Misplaced Pages, and yes, for the whole world. This site is the most used reference work there is, and you put so much work into making sure that so many topics, including especially important topics relating to women and children, were well covered. And you gave of yourself and persevered for so long in ensuring they continued to be of increasing quality. Your work has a ripple effect reaching ever outward, educating countless readers and from there, others. Your legacy lives forever.
Rest in peace, Flyer.
Crossroads 06:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Vale
I'm really saddened to hear of this loss; for Flyer22's family, friends and for our community. Flyer22 was always an impassioned Wikipedian and I have worked with her for the better part of a decade now. She was, I believe, a fundamentally decent person and I hope her real life was less troubled than her Misplaced Pages existance where, like a bright warm light at night, she continually attracted editors with an unhealthy attention towards her. I'm so sad to here she has passed away of health issues and wish I could have got to meet her in real life to say hello and share a cup of tea. You'll be greatly missed, Flyer22. May you rest in peace. Vale. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
A sadness and a hope
I am deeply saddened at the loss of Flyer. I feel that the work she did on Clitoris and Vagina is the among the very best on Misplaced Pages. Thousands of people every day are coming to Misplaced Pages to find out more about these two deeply significant parts to the human body, and Flyer produced two well researched and well written, balanced, neutral, and informative articles that allow them to discover more. They are two shining examples of what Misplaced Pages is really good at, and they are Flyer's legacy. I had always hoped to work again with Flyer on another article or two of their quality. Sadly this will now not happen.
However, I am encouraged by her brother's comments in his email that Flyer's younger sister will probably be opening a Misplaced Pages account in the near future. I do hope that the sister will be welcomed, and will be encouraged to stay and pick up on Flyer's work. If she does open an account I pledge myself to offering her as much support, encouragement, protection, and advice as she needs to get settled. As part of that commitment, my first piece of advice is that the sister does not pick over the bones of any current or past disputes. Halo suggests she may do that, but that would not be a good idea. If the sister has any of the research skills, intelligence, determination, and courage of her sister, she will be a great asset to Misplaced Pages and may come close to equalling (or even exceeding) Flyer's achievements.
Goodbye Flyer and welcome (hopefully) to Flyer's sister. SilkTork (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate your adding kind words. I want to clarify that Halo has since sent another email making clear that the only reason the younger sister would have joined is to confirm what happened and that's it. He said that won't be happening now as it doesn't seem needed. Crossroads 17:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Very sad
I've had many positive interactions with Flyer over the past 15 years, and have seen the considerable good work she has done here and have only good memories. I will miss her. Paul August ☎ 13:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am going to miss Flyer. She’s one of the bravest editors I have ever seen. Heart of gold and a spine of steel. A good human being. Montanabw 14:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am terribly sorry to hear this bad news. Flyer was a great editor and I had enormous respect for her work. She will be missed. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- One of the best of the best. I worked with Flyer on several woman-related articles but watched over many more that she watched over. It was so reassuring to know that when she was involved in the editing women would be fairly treated--not by putting men down but by careful research that backed her positions. We were so lucky to have her and she will be sadly missed. Gandydancer (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I want to add my voice to all of those who are going to miss Flyer. One of my earliest editing memories was being reverted by Flyer; the civil, well-reasoned and instructive discussion we had afterwards motivated me to read sources, engage on talk pages, and made me more interested in getting involved in the project. she was inspirational, and I will miss her greatly. My deepest condolences to her family. GirthSummit (blether) 18:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Flyer's retirement news was already saddening, so to now find out she has died is even worse. May this valued editor rest in peace. Misplaced Pages won't be the same without her! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Requiescat in pace. Flyer was a mainstay of Misplaced Pages's women-related articles. Her knowledge and care will be tremendously missed. My condolences to her family and loved ones. gnu57 07:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Vaya con Dios, Flyer22
I’m so sorry to hear about your passing. Thanks for everything you’ve done as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Rest In Peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
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Farewell, Flyer. You made a difference. You did well. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Flyer and I sometimes communicated off Misplaced Pages so I considered her more than a collaborator. I was aware that some of her family members had contracted Covid, which partly contributed to her decision to not engage with Arb Com. I know that the Covid issues occurred before the business with Arb-Com so it was never an excuse, I genuinely believe she didn't feel up to dealing with it. I was already saddened by her decision to leave Misplaced Pages and I am genuinely upset at her passing. RIP Flyer, and I very much hope the rest of her family can come through this. Betty Logan (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Respect
I can't remember where or when we crossed paths, but I remember you. RIP. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
A message
I never interacted with you on Misplaced Pages, but I am firm that you do amazing contributions. I cannot praise you in a way so grandeur, but I can just hope you rest there in peace. This will not be your last contribution. GeraldWL 04:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Goodbye
I had contact with Flyer a fairly large number of times over the years. She quite frequently emailed me about various matters. I had a very high regard for her. She was conscientious and determined to do what she believed was best for Misplaced Pages, persisting in doing so even when others made it difficult for her to do so. She was in many ways very perceptive, and could often see through clouds of nonsense to the truth underneath when many others couldn't. Over the course of time I came to think of her as a friend, even though I never met her in the flesh, and knew nothing about her life away from Misplaced Pages. I shall miss her. JBW (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the support with LGBT+ and medicine
Thanks for the regular constructive criticism in medicine and LGBT content. I appreciated having you as a colleague in both places as hardly anyone else navigates both of those busy spaces. You pushed for quality in a friendly way and were a model of good collaboration for giving original writing and ideas when asking for improvement. I respect that when you asked for favors, you yourself came proactively presenting a favor yourself.
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Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
RIP
Shocked and saddened to hear this, Flyer was a fantastic editor and they will be missed a lot, Thank you for each and every contribution you've made here Flyer, Rest in Peace. my sincere condolences to friends and family. –Davey2010 00:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
A great loss to the community and our mission
I wish that I'd had some knowledge that Flyer was unwell: I don't know whether she made this common knowledge or played the fact close to her vest, but despite her being one of the editors I most frequently ran into incidentally out in the wild of our talk pages (due to our shared interest in human nature as explored by hard science), I had no idea she was ill and apparently had been for some time. I think she and I probably had similar perspectives on matters slightly more often than not, but by the same token, we shared a work space often enough to experience many situations in which we disagreed and it was in these moments that she most impressed me with the qualities of a true Wikipedian--openness and a commitment to respectful discourse in pursuit of understanding. Oh, make no mistake: she was prepared to stick to her guns and hold a line against what she felt was a misrepresentation of the truth of an issue. But she tempered that drive and doggedness with wit, warmth, and perspective. She was truly the type of person who represents the best in this community, and whom we can point to as proof that our great task summons together people of real character and strength. I am not a spiritualist in any sense, so I cannot invoke the words of her name (the one I knew her best by) in a way that might otherwise be a comfort in this moment, to say that she has taken flight and will be reborn in a heavenly sense. But I can say with no less certainty and meaning that her works will indeed take flight, and her spirit will be reborn every day in a world and in the people made noticeably better for her presence.
Flyer, I'm sorry that I did not get to tell you any of this directly--looking back, I'm not sure I ever even seized an opportunity to say to you expressly that you were my friend. I will have to try to learn from that lesson and be more careful to take the time to say such things here. I can only say now that this is merely a part of what I have learned from you and that you have my enduring gratitude. Snow 00:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Beautiful words. Carlstak (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
I am greatly saddened by this news and extend my deepest sympathies to all those who cared for Flyer22. Memory eternal! -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Goodbye.
User_talk:Bob_K31416/Archive_2010#Star_Wars_mention_in_Avatar Bob K31416 (talk) 11:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Sad to hear you're gone
Flyer, you and I had our differences, but I've always admired your devotion to this encyclopedia and your earnest efforts to make it better. You did a lot of good around here. My heart skipped a beat when I saw that you'd passed. No matter how many times we butted heads, this is not news I ever hoped to hear. Been thinking of you. Armadillopteryx 01:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
Thank you for working with me for so many years. I'm extremely saddened to learn that you are gone. You will be missed. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
I am at a loss for what to say as this is honestly the first time I've truly felt a loss from the death on an online acquaintance/colleague. We crossed paths and conversed many times () given our overlapping interests. May the memory of Flyer be a blessing to all who knew her. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace shining star
What sad news to hear that Flyer22 has passed on. Wherever you may be, surrounded by scintillating starlight and mysterious stardust, your contributions to this world were truly stellar. Netherzone (talk) 19:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Taken too soon...
You will be missed, Flyer. Thank you for leaving the memory of your legacy with us on Misplaced Pages. Huggums537 (talk) 08:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Farewell
I only just noticed this and can't think of what else to say. Flyer22 always had the encyclopedia's best interests at heart and contributed enormously to an area of Misplaced Pages I know very little about and did it fighting off conflicts that I think would have caused many others to retire much sooner instead of sticking it out. Please give my condolences to her family and friends. Ritchie333 16:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Rest in peace
I thank Flyer22 for all the work she has done. I send my condolences to her family and friends. Rest in peace. You will be remembered. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 16:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am very late in noticing this but I am saddened by Flyer's death and wish to add my tribute and condolences. She was an astute and prolific contributor. I had only passing interactions with her but all were positive. She took the time to thank me a number of times for edits and I always appreciated her acknowledgements. That personal touch was a wonderful addition to all her substantive contributions. Donner60 (talk) 08:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Frozen
I dedicate this image to your memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- The icicles look like frozen musical notes, an étude in ice—a fitting tribute. Carlstak (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
I know I'm late to the funeral, but I was browsing an IP's TP when I saw a warning of yours. Seeing it, I miss you. Rest in peace. Firestar464 (talk) 03:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Condolences
Extending my condolences to Flyer22 and her family (I only just found out about her passing). Sad to hear of the death of another young Wikipedian. SamHolt6 (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Have only just found out about this, also. Really sad to hear, I’m at a complete loss for words. Rest in peace, Flyer22. Patient Zero 04:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for everything you did
I haven't been active much and only realised the bad news a few days ago. You were a great contributor to this project and will be sorely missed. My condolences. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
R.I.P.
I haven't been that active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I was shocked to learn of Flyer22's passing while sorting through my watchlist. As someone who has worked and interacted with Flyer in film-related articles, I can attest that she was a productive and proficient member of this encyclopedia and her contributions have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. On a more personal note, I only wish her family the best.
Rest in peace, Flyer. Darkknight2149 04:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
A loss for the project
I didn't know Flyer at all (just found out about this now) but I certainly noticed the prolific amount of work she put into WP. My condolences to her family. - wolf 02:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Miss you
I just do. Rest in peace. Firestar464 (talk) 11:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Rest In Peace
I’ve only just seen the awful news of your passing. This makes me regretful that our interactions were made antagonistic from my end. I feel I robbed myself of a better camaraderie with a dedicated and earnest editor such as yourself. Wherever you may be now, I wish you peace. Rusted AutoParts 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Deep and dreamless slumber
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Damn...
LessHeard vanU (talk) 09:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
A message for you
Thank you for all your service. You will be remembered. Firestar464 (talk) 11:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Precious and remembered
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It hurts to know you are gone
Flyer, you are missed, remembered, and mourned. Misplaced Pages is a darker place without you. AlexEng 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
A candle for those we lost
Zaereth (talk) 09:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
So sorry
I only just now heard this sad news. Flyer22 was one of the good ones - I'm very sorry to hear of her illness and death. Tvoz/talk 01:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to hear
I have been away from Misplaced Pages and I return to see the sad passing of not only Flyer22 but SarahSV who commented on the discussion about Flyer's obituary just months before her own death. I am generally a skeptic but I always hold out hope for some form of an afterlife, in some dimension, some universe, some time, somewhere. Best wishes. —DIYeditor (talk) 04:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Always precious
Eight years ago, you were found precious. You will be remembered! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Your absence is still felt
I've been thinking about you the last little while, Flye. A new friend here has a memoriam page for lost community members and it got me thinking of you and others I will always miss here in my own time remaining. Actually, she reminds me of you in the more general sense as well, now that I think about it; I think you would really liked her. I don't believe in an immaterial soul, other than in a metaphorical sense, so I'm not sure who I'm talking to. Myself, I guess. I just felt the need to say I miss you, and still can't help but think of you when working on certain things. I'll check in on some of your articles for you. SnowRise 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Devastated
I took a break from editing in 2019 and I came back today. While I was gone, I thought many times about what a brave and strong editor you are, how Misplaced Pages is in safe hands as long as you keep watch, how you manage to dedicate so much of your time to ensuring Misplaced Pages stayed good, and how I would message you as soon as I come back. Now that I'm back 5 years later, I learn that not only are you retired, but that you passed away in 2021...
I cannot describe my shock and pain. I wish you are not actually gone but just taking a break from Misplaced Pages. I wish you are still here through some other account. Anything but the news of your passing. We had a somewhat antagonistic start but I soon came to realize that you were actually trying to help. You were so smart, so caring, so helpful, so dedicated, so courageous, full of integrity. You were my go-to person if I ever needed help regarding Misplaced Pages policies or anything really. You were my mentor. I will miss you so much Flyer. I am still shocked. I wish I had known you more, though that would have made news of your passing even more painful. I feel like I've lost a friend and want to mourn.
Thank you for your matchless contributions to Misplaced Pages, your guidance, your help and the kindness you showed to me. I will always remember you. My heartfelt condolences to your family. - Human10.0 (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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