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== What happened to Geohack? ==
{{resolved}}
Today, upon clicking the <nowiki>{{coords}}</nowiki> , I got a 404. Maybe this is a temporary problem, but given the use of the coords feature it's fairly impactful. ''']]''' 16:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*It's down, and it isn't maintained by volunteers that are active on-wiki. The last RFC to move away from it didn't pass (c.f. ] and ] ). — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:One of the maintainers, Magnus Manske, is still active on wikidatawiki, I've pinged them to this report there. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:Click the globe icon instead of the coordinates for a map in Katographer for now. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
== Not able to edit ==
:Now working as intended. --] 🌹 (]) 17:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm intermittently getting unreachable errors. Not 100% sure it's resolved. ''']]''' 03:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ping|Bishonen|p=}} reported on IRC that she can't edit anything in the past hours (seems like ], but more severe: appears not periodically but continuously). I don't know much about it, just she asked me to report it. --] (]) 12:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, ]. I've realized I can in fact edit after a fashion using Chrome. But I really really don't want to. In Firefox it's impossible. I have the latest version of Firefox for OSX, and it can neither preview nor save since at least seven hours. All I get when I try is the "Secure Connection Failed" message. Does the phabricator report mean I can look forward to the problem being fixed? Anybody got any idea of the timescale for that? How long a wikibreak should I take? :-( ], you got anything? ] | ] 14:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC).
::This is a shot in the dark and probably not related, but are you using ]? I had an issue with ] content not loading properly on Misplaced Pages that was fixed by in Avast. ]<sub>(])</sub> 16:05, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Not using it, no. But thanks. ] | ] 16:31, 15 May 2016 (UTC).
:::: {{reply to | Bishonen}} All of the other reports I've been able to track down associate the problem with Firefox version 46 (which was originally released on 3 May 2016 and my version is currently at 46.0.1). I'm currently using Chrome this month as part of my usual anti-checkuser strategy, but I'll get Famously Sharp to attempt a post on your user talk. Hmmz - it works. Ok - only suggestion I can make is for you to try Firefox version 47 which is in Beta - download from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/beta/all/ (the OSX version is in blue in the middle column). --] (]) 19:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
* {{u|Bishonen}}, have you tried reloading the page? These past few days, I have randomly got a Firefox error message about the connection being insecure, but reloading the page always solves the problem. --] (]) 20:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:* Many times, but it didn't help. But actually it has just started working quite smoothly! Long may it last. I don't see myself as a Beta user, much. ] | ] 20:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC).
:**I've been getting the "Your connection is not secure" warning for a week or so. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:*** Did you try the usual ] procedures? ] (]) 20:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::*{{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, thanks for the reply. When it happens a notice appears saying "try again," so I have to click on that, then a second notice appears, which I think says "resend," and I have to click on that too. Then the edit is saved or the preview viewable, whichever it was. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*I've been having this problem off and on as well; unlike Bishonen it's not consistent, but rather happens randomly about every tenth time I try to save an edit. I am running Avast, but I've ''already'' turned off https scanning as directed when I first Googled to solve the problem — but even with that turned off, the problem still recurs. It appears to interfere more actively with using Twinkle than with conventional editing — for the XFD module in particular I almost always have to undertake a second attempt because the first one fails under an unspecified error message, which I'm presuming is related to this "secure connection issue" because if ''everybody'' were having as many Twinkle failures as I've been having, Twinkle's talk page would be ''flooded'' with requests. But it's not, which means this is pretty clearly a "just happening to me" problem. ] (]) 19:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
** I have also been having the issue similar to Bearcat (though probably less severe, and not particularly with AfD) – is there a Phab job on this? Or is no one working on it at all?... --] <small>(] • ])</small> 02:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
***Firefox 46.0.1 here. Had "Secure Connection Failed" problem months ago, and it stopped. Now it's doing this again. I've had this happen several times today. ] (]) 23:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
==Why am I seeing a "Welcome" message?==
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Soon some of you may see a "Welcome" dialog in the wikitext editor, as per ]. (Remember that the English Misplaced Pages is a Single Edit Tab wiki now, so if you don't know or remember what this entails, ]). Best, --] (]) 13:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:Lets keep an eye out for user issues in case we need a ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 14:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::I just got this stupid popup, I've been editing for seven years and am at no. 185 in the most edits list. I turned off VE as soon as an option to do so was available. I've been an admin since 2011 ferchrissakes. Get real. --] (]) 19:33, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Joining Redrose64 in not welcoming this in the least. In the best of circumstances I hate these not-really-there phenomena that social media uses nowadays; my screen freezes with the darned thing hovering there and it's never clear what I should click on to be able to use the window again. In this case it almost gave me a heart attack - I was previewing and thought I'd lose the edit. I took the risk of clicking on "Edit" or whatever and thank all the gods, neither lost the edit nor crashed my browser. WMF: I volunteer here, doing the work that makes this wiki popular enough that you get to be handsomely paid for whatever it is you do. '''Stay out of my workflow.''' Take your abysmal Visual Editor and '''shove it''', don't thrust it in front of me, I and the vast majority of the people who actually '''work''' around here told you it sucks, it sucks, that's it, stop demanding we choose between it and what works! ] (]) 19:49, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Please relax a bit, it makes everyone's participation a whole lot more pleasant. —] (] • ]) 19:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Don't tell me to relax. It came up again. Do you work for that awful outfit? If so, please report that the experience of having this pop-up freeze one's screen is not pleasant. ] (]) 20:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::"Do you work for that awful outfit" No, not that that should have anything to do with how we communicate with eachother. —] (] • ]) 21:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::::It really is disruptive - I get a box with no "dismiss" option - only "start editing" that is quite jarring - when I clicked on it, it just went away. Completely useless in the workflow for me as an editor, and unexpected. I think we should put up the site notice to warn about this - any objections? — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:I know that this is a case of hindsight, and given that all I know of this is what I learned from mucking about with scripts in...the other thread, I probably don't have all the information I would need to speak intelligently about this. But just for curiosity's sake, shouldn't it have been possible to prevent the message from popping up for current users by adjusting the starting value of <code>visualeditor-hidebetawelcome</code> in everyone's preferences? New accounts could have the welcome enabled, of course, since it's targeted to them, but would it not have been straightforward enough to just set that pref to "true" for all current users? Maybe this version of the welcome is different though or something, so I might not understand correctly. ] ]] 20:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Writ Keeper}} I made the decision not to do that intentionally, I'm afraid. Doing the fetch of the users' edit count and registration date would have added another few ms to every edit page load for every editor for the rest of time. Pre-setting tens of millions of rows in the databases to fake '<code>visualeditor-hidebetawelcome</code>' as true would be a pretty major step which we go out of our way to avoid. Note that any account that's seen the dialog before (''e.g.'' in the visual editor) won't get the prompt (unless they've reset their preferences), it's just a one-time thing regardless of which editor you use. ] (]) 21:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I guess I can understand that. I know my ops people always get mad at me when I write update queries for them to execute that hit millions of rows. I wouldn't have said it's a dealbreaker--there are generally speaking ways to do it gradually without totally destroying the database--but I can respect it, as long as it was at least thought about. ] ]] 21:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::When I just now brought up a deleted page to check its logs, I got the "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" popup smack in the middle of my screen, that told me to click on it to begin editing. I've been on Misplaced Pages for about 7-8 hours today, and this just popped up the first time. If it's an oversight, please give us an opt out. This shouldn't be coming up for anyone but people who have never edited at Misplaced Pages before. And considering how hard internet users work to keep popups off their screens, maybe this was not the best of ideas. And by the way, in my Preferences, "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" has been checked off as long as the option has been there. ] (]) 20:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::::I just got it straight across the board, testing all the wikis. ] (]) 23:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::You should see it once per wiki while logged in. This means once at the English Misplaced Pages, once at the German Misplaced Pages, once at the French Misplaced Pages, etc. – all the languages times all the projects (times all the accounts, if you have more than one, as I do). Most editors don't spend much time doing cross-wiki work, so most editors won't see it more than once or twice. Personally, I've already clicked past it at least six times in the last hour. (Also, it's faster to click "Start editing" on that dialog than to go to Preferences, find an item, and opt-out.) ] (]) 00:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:\o/ I just got one {{=D}} <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 20:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::I just got it too. ] (]) 21:01, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Yup, looks like we all got a VisualEditor prompt. — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 21:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::::<small>We are blessed! ;-) <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 21:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*Ok so for a sitenotice, I'm not sure linking to ] is the most informative page? Anyone got anything better? — ] <sup>]</sup> 21:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Why not link to this <s>angry public flogging</s> <ins>thread</ins>, since it is going to contain all the answers as time goes on - ]? <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 21:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Will mock something up and post back soon. — ] <sup>]</sup> 21:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*Ironically I got the welcome message on Commons but not here .... I feel even more blessed lol, –]<sup>]</sup> 21:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Teacher's pet ;-) <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 22:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*Playtime again in the main sandbox.] (]) 22:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::What action do you expect typical users to take in response to that proposed message? ] (]) 00:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I trust the typical users will band together and demand another site notice to explain the first site notice which explains the trivial pop-up, using ] as a general guide to strategy. --] ] 00:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Become aware of what is going on. I'm not about to slam it up there unless there is some agreement here that it will be useful. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Good call. You do not have 'some agreement', or, at least, you do have some dissent. --] ] 00:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Xaosflux, there's no clear "call to action", if you don't mind the designers' jargon. It first tells editors something that they'll find out on their own (so it's redundant), and then it offers a place to discuss something or another about "this", but at the time that they're offered this option to discuss something, they don't know what you want them to discuss, because they haven't seen the dialog yet. If I didn't already know what this message was about, I'd be confused by it. The discussion is also unlikely to provide actual value to the participating editors: by the time you know enough to discuss it, you've already dismissed it.
:::::For the record, I don't think it's an unreasonable thing to consider; in fact, I very briefly considered a CentralNotice myself. It's a tool I often consider, but rarely use, for user interface changes. However, I decided that the net result of any such message would be thousands of editors at 800+ WMF wikis spending collectively hundreds of hours trying to figure out what I was talking about. That time would be far more than they would spend in dismissing the one-time dialog when it reached them – and they'd still have to dismiss the dialong anyway. So based on that analysis, it didn't seem like a valuable use of volunteer time and attention, and I abandoned the idea. ] (]) 00:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:To be clear, unless there is actual '''support''' I'm not touching the sitenotice. My goal was to get information in front of people to avoid drama, certainly not make more. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm not going to pretend to know exactly why this welcome popup is popping up, but get the jist. Please bare that in mind as I suggest that if there's to be a site notice to act as a heads up, it should be simple, honest and self contained advice.
::Something like ''"Because of ] that lead to a decision to implement ], the WMF did ] which lead to ] which reversed the decision, and resulted in a technical glitch. This glitch will manifest as a welcome message that pops up as editors begin editing. This popup will only show once on each Wiki thing, and other than getting in the way a little, changes nothing. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! ;-)"'' - with obvious editing.
::It's not a call to action, or an obscure and confusing riddle; it just says what's happening to alleviate potential surprise and maybe save some freaking out. <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 01:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::It may be simpler to just make the popup itself do the talking since I'm sure a '''lot''' of editors have not yet been harassed by it. For some reason, it popped up at least twice for me, and the option buttons were, as stated, not very clear on what to expect when selecting the edit option. I, for one, did not know whether to expect the familiar editing format of some newfangled thing to waste my time. -- ] (]) 01:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::::I'd be in a favor a single in the top right corner, clicking it: dismisses the box forever and keeps all your settings exactly how they were prior to the popup. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::An would do it. It was the first thing I was looking for when the popup popped up... ] (]) 02:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::A forever X would be a step forward, click it once and it stays gone for all eternity. Even better, if our Preferences had an option to suppress any and all popups that Wikimedia could come up with, forever and ever and ever. ] (]) 14:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
{{tracked|T135808}}
{{ping|Elitre (WMF)}}; {{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} -- Any options for tweaking the UI of this popup as suggested above? — ] <sup>]</sup> 14:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've asked. I don't know whether I'll get a definitive answer today, but I'll let you know. One of the devs also suggested making it possible to dismiss things like this by clicking anywhere outside the box, so there may be more than one 'leave me alone' approach implemented. ] (]) 16:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::If there's a need for the Welcome message, making it accidentally dismissable is not a good idea. --] (]) 09:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was gone for a few days, and when I returned a pop-up greeted me when I wanted to edit. I agree with Maile above, quit spamming us with the VE already. I already have just one edit tab, I suppressed the VE one. ] (]) 15:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
:Could just use my method of nuking any unwanted stuff with uBlock Origin's element picker; it seems to do the trick most of the time... 02:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
===Disabling in all wikis===
So far this has worked for me: I've added in ] a
{{hide|Extremely bad advice|
<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
.oo-ui-windowManager-floating {
display: none;
}
</syntaxhighlight>
}}
This should also prevent other past and future similar-looking popups/splashscreens/]. I'm also about specific problems, ]. ] 11:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
:I think this is terrible advise for people. Anyone going this direction should consider if it is not wiser to disable all Javascript instead. We have two modes of operation, without JS and with. That's what can be supported, not some freak of nature in between state that this would create.
:For instance. I'm in the process of removing the jquery UI dialog popup that we have on thumbnail videos, with oojs ui dialogs. By doing this you would have autoplaying but invisible videos after you click them at some point in the future. And though I am now warned, there is no way in hell that I will take this into account when creating my patches. —] (] • ]) 13:49, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
: This is really bad advice. It will hide every OOjs UI dialog, on every page, in every tool. And then developers will have to field bug reports from people who thoughtlessly copy and paste this. ] <small>]</small> 14:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I wrote the following in my global .js and it seems to be working:
<syntaxhighlight lang="js">
if (mw.user.options.get('visualeditor-hidebetawelcome') === 0)
{ var VEBapi = new mw.Api();
VEBapi.post({
'action': 'options',
'token': mw.user.tokens.get('editToken'),
'change': 'visualeditor-hidebetawelcome=1'
});
}
</syntaxhighlight>
] (]) 15:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
::Much better advise, though
::# You are not declaring your dependencies (mediawiki.api and user.options), by wrapping with mw.loader.using
::# You are not using postWithToken(), which does automatic token retrieval and token retry (in case it expired)
::# You are using editToken, but this has since been replaced with the 'csrf' token
::# You change the preference, but not the local state
::And because of all that complexity, we have a wrapper module named 'mediawiki.api.options'
<syntaxhighlight lang="js">
mw.loader.using( , function () {
if (mw.user.options.get('visualeditor-hidebetawelcome') === 0) {
new mw.Api().saveOption('visualeditor-hidebetawelcome', '1');
:I have a couple of problems with this message, some of which I admit are repeats:
:# I don't see a use for it
:# If WMF wants to communicate with me, shouldn't they do it whether I have Javascript enabled or not? Even if there is a Visual Editor that requires Javascript and I have it disabled, shouldn't they ''tell'' me about it anyway?
:# If the WMF wants to communicate with me, why don't they leave me a talk page message like everybody else? Why have multiple methods of communication to maintain and debug?
:# If the WMF is going to put up a message box that looks like any standard alert anywhere else on OSes or the web, shouldn't it have a standard X in the upper right corner?
:The only thing I can think of more useless than the welcome message would be having a sitenotice ''warning'' people about the welcome message. ] (]) 12:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*Adding this to meta User/Global.js works, does anyone know if a meta gadget would be able to provide that (in lieu of having each person have to edit their .js file)? — ] <sup>]</sup> 15:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
===Gone, but like the cat in the hat, keeps coming back===
To all of the above, I was about to say I haven't experienced the popup since I initially encountered them on each wiki. However....I just opened Commons to an image, and the minute I clicked on "Edit", the popup blocked my screen. Nothing really got rid of it until I accidentally clicked on switching to Visual editing. Then I had another popup telling me to click on an icon to get out of Visual editing. Except...there was no icon there. And I don't have noscript on that page. So, I finally shut down the window and came back in, and no popups. If I'm in Visual edit, I don't know what it's supposed to look like.
Get rid of this for everybody. It serves no useful purpose for potential editors. Anyone clicking on the Edit tab already knows they're editing, and they don't need a popup to input a separate step. <u>So the question is...exactly what purpose does it serve? If one encounters popups on the internet, they're most likely tracking something. Is that the underlying purpose with this?</u> Editing on Misplaced Pages should not require the user to keep clicking away popups just to edit. Clicking on the "Edit" tab should work. ] (]) 13:18, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
== Page last modified footer MediaWiki:Lastmodified ==
{{Resolved}}
I believe the interface page ] (]) is obsolete ] and should be deleted. The current phrasing of MediaWiki:Lastmodified does not match the footer text that appears on articles (missing the word "on") and I believe the current footer text is the default text from ] (]).
If it's unused, I intend to delete MediaWiki:Lastmodified to prevent confusion over the interface. Rather than being bold in this case, I wanted to ask people more familiar with the Mediawiki side of things if there's any reason it should still exist.
Just for completeness, there's also ] (]) and the obsolete since MW 1.8 ] (]). There also an unrelated ]. ] (]) 19:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|Jason Quinn}} I checked over on test2wiki, the last modified displays with out it, and even putting nonsense in that field does not replace the footer. — ] <sup>]</sup> 19:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::Interestingly, a long deleted version on test2wiki has a fundraising commercial in it! — ] <sup>]</sup> 19:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:::] is indeed unused and not listed at . https://en.wikipedia.org/Example?uselang=qqx confirms that ] is used. ] (]) 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I deleted the page as non-controversial technical cleanup, leaving the talk page with an explaination and a link to this discussion. Marking as resolved. ] (]) 17:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
== Warning message when moving to a salted title? ==
{{tracked|T85393}}
Am I losing it, or did there used to be a warning message appear when you tried to move a page to a salted title (similar to the message you get when you try to move a page to a title that already exists)? I've just tested at ] and ] and I didn't get any warning, the moves just went through straight away. If this was just a figment of my imagination, would it be at all possible to implement some sort warning message? As someone who often does a lot of page moves, I generally don't check each and every redlink title to see if they're salted. ] (]) 21:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:This would be super helpful, especially with the advent of the extended-mover right. ] ]] 21:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::Page movers will get an error that they can not move a page to a page that is protected against creation "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: You cannot move a page to this location because the new title has been protected from creation.". — ] <sup>]</sup> 03:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Normally, yes, but in this case, ] originally placed the salt with "extended-confirmed" protection, rather than full-protection; this would've still allowed users, including extended movers, to move the page. The point I was making about extended mover specifically is more that, if such a thing were to happen again to someone with the extended-mover bit, and if people were to get angry about it, it'd be a rather unfair source of ammunition for the removal of said bit. ] ]] 03:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Which page are we talking about here? ] (] '''·''' ]) 04:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::]. ] ]] 06:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Xaosflux}} Yes, I'm talking about when the person making the move does have permission to move over a protected page (e.g. an admin over full protection, or in this case a page mover over extended confirmed). Would it be possible to create a warning message for these situations? ] (]) 13:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Anything should be possible :D It doesn't looks like we can do this locally, would require a software patch, so you will need to fill a phabricator request; if doing so suggest it includes multiple checks: (a)Move target was previously deleted (b)Move target has any type of create protection (c)Move target is on the title blacklist . — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::: ] is related. — ] <small>(]'''·'''])</small> 00:23, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Highlight of "updated since my last visit" ==
In page histories the phrase "updated since my last visit" is now highlighted, annoyingly, in a bright green background. Is this just me? Is it intentional? If so, was this ever discussed here? If so, how to turn this off in my personal CSS? ―] ] 21:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:I what seemed like the logical CSS thing and it caused a style flash and then the bright green comes back aaaaaaaah make it stop before my retinas burn off. ] (]) 22:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:+1 - Why the bloody hell make it bright green ? ... It sure as shit gets your attention and quite frankly I'd rather it didn't. –]<sup>]</sup> 22:23, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{U|Mandruss}} and {{U|Davey2010}}, this has existed for a while now. I've been receiving this notification/phrase when I get beaten to a revert, more often than not. It's not new - the colour may have changed, perhaps, but then I can't see certain shades due to my eyesight. Do let me know if that is the case here! Regards --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 16:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::It was only the text colour that was green never the background (which is the case now), Cheers, –]<sup>]</sup> 17:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::The problem was the bright green background, which has now been corrected (see below). It existed for well under 24 hours, so you may have missed it. ―] ] 16:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the pointer {{U|Mandruss}} and for explaining that you were indeed talking about the colours. I think I did miss it, thankfully. --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 16:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:The styling of <code>updatedmarker</code> was changed at ]. I think it looks horrible. ] already says:
<pre>
.updatedmarker {
background-color: transparent;
color: #006400;
}
</pre>
:It appears we now need <code>!important</code> to override the default. I suggest we add that:
<pre>
span.updatedmarker {
background-color: transparent;
color: #006400;
}
</pre>
:This also works in {{yourcss}}. ] (]) 22:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:The obvious design here is to eliminate those messages and draw a horizontal line above which all edits are "new". Not obvious to those who control the design, apparently, so I'll settle for a return to something at least less intrusive. ―] ] 22:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::No important needed (it hardly ever is), just use the same selector. —] (] • ]) 23:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::: {{re|Mandruss}} You can put this in your ] to do that (unfortunately <code>:last-of-type</code> does not work on classes so it cannot be done with CSS):
::::Thanks for the thought. I'm just as interested in the community benefit as in my own. And the more we customize our own individual wiki-worlds, the less effectively we can communicate, help one another, and make collective decisions as to the user interface. I believe in minimizing personal customization (especially that not supported in Preferences) and implementing good design site-wide. ―] ] 15:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
=== Green "Highlighter" spewing across edit history unread sections. Why? ===
This changed during my night, and now when I look at a page's edit history, all I can see is bright pukey green highlighter where there used to be a soothing green emphasis ''in text colour only''. This is not an improvement to the project. I've messed around in my preferences, but I have no idea how to turn it back, and thus reduce my migraine. Any ideas? -] ] 07:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:You're not the only one. The same thing happened to me last night already, and this morning I have more problems - including search box not working and javascript problems on Wikidata. A mouse must have gotten into the works! Oh, and I've just noticed other script errors under the edit box here. Either it's a Wikimedia problem, or our browsers I guess (I predict the former)! ] (]) 07:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks to RedRose for moving my query to the correct place. Note to self - "read the page first." Unfortunately, the solutions proposed above are written in gobbledegook, a language I don't speak. When the scriptkiddies above have a solution, could they please explain it in english here, preferably highlighted in green? Thanks. -] ] 09:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Roxy the dog}} I can put in a CSS rule for you, but I need to know which skin you use - at {{myprefs|Appearance}}, in the first large box, which of the four is currently selected? --] (]) 09:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Vector. I have no custom CSS. and Thanks. -] ] 09:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::I created ], you may need to ] your cache to see a difference. --] (]) 10:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I have updated ] with <code>.span</code>. This returns the former behaviour for me. ] (]) 10:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::My eyes are grateful. -] ] 11:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|PrimeHunter}} - I bloody love you!! - Thank you! –]<sup>]</sup> 17:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm used to seeing different styles, since most of the large wikis have different colors. I do miss the green dots from enwiki when I'm elsewhere. But I want something that doesn't exist anywhere: a little button that always gives me the diff of all the changes since my last visit, without needing to scroll down and find the (cur) to click on. In fact, if visiting any page would automagically first check whether the page is on my watchlist and, if so, show me any changes since my last visit, that would be ideal. ] (]) 16:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
==Rollback function has been changed==
{{nutshell|title=This section|{{Bullet list|'''This issue should now be ].''' If you are having new issues please comment below.|Opening rollback links in a new tab or page now requires additional confirmation.|Just click the links where they are and the rollback will happen without changing the page.|This is a suspected breaking change to portions of script utilities such as ], ], and ].|A developer has processed ] and production updates are scheduled by 2016-05-28.}}}}
{{tracked|T88044}}{{tracked|T136375}}
I've started experiencing a new behavior when using rollback (on one Win XP computer + newest Firefox, I'll check newer Windows platforms later). The most annoying one is that "blind" rollback (rollback without viewing the diff) now requires confirmation - an extra page pops up asking 'do you want to revert this edit' OK? Does anyone know where this implementation was discussed and how to bypass this feature? I've lost a quick rollback function for dealing with obvious vandals. ] (]) 22:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:I'm on the other side of that fence. I found it annoying when a stray click rolled back stuff I didn't intend to roll back. I gave up the rollback right after about the fourth time that happened to me. It's simply poor design to do something like that without a confirmation click, which only takes another second or two. But I don't know whether it was discussed. ―] ] 22:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm with Materialscientist, it's also screwed up Twinkle's automatic completion of the linked article field when warning users. I've just returned to anti-vandal work after a short break, and don't feel inclined to continue unless I can do so efficiently. —]] 22:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::See ] about that. ] 16:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:I just rolled back two edits on this page - neither required a confirmation. — ] <sup>]</sup> 22:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::Also with my testing account using all defaults - I do get the little spinning circle and the upper right corner has a popout confirmation box, but I am not getting a confirmation prompt at all. ] (]) 22:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:Can you verify you are actually using rollback? (Hover the link and ensure it has <code>&action=rollback</code>). What is the exact text of the message you are getting? — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm thinking the ''enhanced'' "rollback" with ] is what you are seeing broken - I'm having a problem with it as well. — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:04, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:::This was intentionally changed due to ]. —] (] • ]) 23:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ec}}Something has changed, but I did not get a confirmation dialog when I just now rolled back. There was a (JQuery?) box that briefly appeared in the top right corner indicating that that the roll back was successful.- ]] 23:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Let me rephrase my original comment. If I preview the diff (of the edit I want to revert) then rollback doesn't ask to confirm it. If I try revert without seeing the diff then I'm asked to confirm it. I want to avoid this confirmation dialogue. I also want to see what I've rolled, particularly when rolling multiple edits (now I don't see it). I do not use Twinkle, just plain rollback. ] (]) 23:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::I used the rollback link from history with no confirmation dialog appearing.- ]] 23:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::I used rollback from RecentChanges - no confirmation either - {{ping|Materialscientist}} Can you copy the url you are using (copy before clicking) and paste here? — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*OK, reproduced the problem: If using standard rollback, in a new tab/window it is no longer instantly working-ending in a confirmation. If you just click the links they process in-page now, instead of going to a new page. — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*Should we be able to have our cake and eat it too? (Basically just remove the <code>Revert edits to this page? </code> prompt?) — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Krinkle}} - any hints? — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*:(ec) Xaosflux is absolutely correct in that the confirmation dialogue appears only when I open the rollback in a new tab, which I always do, as I want to keep the starting page (be it my pre-designed watchlist or recent changes log). It doesn't appear if I roll in the same tab, but then I (1) don't see what I've rolled, and (2) can't revert several edits from the same user/IP. Annoying. ] (]) 23:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*] seems broken for me. I also don't like that I click rollback, and the page refreshes suggesting that I haven't rolled back when I indeed have. (it still says "Rollback 2 edits") — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 23:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*:'''Admin rollback is definitely broken''' for Lupin's Anti-vandal tool. (Non-admin javascript is okay) The HTML that gets returned seems different, and the tool thinks that someone else has edited since the vandalism event. — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 00:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*I've created ] asking for a roll back - not sure if that will happen - please feel free to subscribe. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*] was broken with me too (since two hours ago). I've confirmed that my regular rollback issues are independent of the PC platform (WinXP, Win10) and Misplaced Pages skin (MonoBook, Vector). ] (]) 00:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*The problem with Twinkle hasn't happened to me, even though I use Twinkle all the time. One somewhat annoying Twinkle-related thing I have experienced is that if you revert an edit by clicking on "Rollback AGF", it opens the user whose edit you're reverting's talk page and the Twinkle menu's warn option. However, this really isn't an issue for me since typically it's in everyone's best interest not to ] good-faith newcomers who make honest mistakes, and instead it is better to explain what they did wrong. However, I am unclear on whether this thread is for discussing a Twinkle error or, as Materialscientist's comment above would suggest, a ] error. ] ] 00:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:We think the unexpected Twinkle behavior is tied to this change. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* Please see my comments posted at ] at ]. This recent change has effectively broken rollback while using Lupin's Anti-vandal tool and is producing inaccurate results when clicking '''(rollback)''' directly from the page history as well. Oftentimes it will incorrectly state that "rollback failed" when in fact it succeeded, and in other cases it fails to rollback entirely, on what appears to be a completely inconsistent basis. Is there an option in preferences which would allow us to revert back to the original rollback features before this change was implemented? Regards, ] (]) 00:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:* Same problem using OSX Safari or Chrome. --] <sup>] </sup> 00:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:It's only saying that rollback failed if you're clicking the link multiple times before it has the time to process it (at least, that's what I've found from some limited testing). Same thing if you open the rollback link in a new tab 50 times; it will say that it has failed for the 49 times after the initial processing of the action. Obviously this change should have been better communicated to the maintainers of the anti-vandalism scripts, so they could update them before the change. There is no way of changing back on a per-person basis. ]<small> (])</small> 00:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:: No, we are not sharing the same experience in that case. I am seeing failures based upon a single click on an intermittent basis. A window box temporarily appears in the upper right hand corner of my screen notifying that rollback has failed, while a check of the page history reveals that the rollback actually succeeded. Regards, ] (]) 01:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, this sounds familiar — it wasn't with rollback, but I noticed one of those "blah blah has failed blah blah" popups when doing something or other, even though it was still working on whatever it was (the popup went away once the action finished)... Idk if that's related though. ] (]) 01:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Any Idea if this is effecting Huggle too? --] <sup>] </sup> 00:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:I just fired up Huggle and made a revert OK. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Additional error''' As a test, I used rollback on the latest Sandbox edit, opening it in a new tab; it asked if I wanted to use rollback, and when I clicked yes, it . I then clicked rollback (no new screen) on my own edit, and again it . I then clicked rollback on my second edit (the result should have been the removal of the text in question), and I get a failure message:<blockquote>Rollback failed Cannot roll back edit to Misplaced Pages:Sandbox by Nyttend (talk · block · contribs) because someone else has edited the page. The last revision was by Nyttend (talk · contribs).</blockquote>When I open it in a new tab, it produces the confirmation page properly, but okaying the action produces the same error message. As of 01:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC), nobody has edited the page since my latest edit; it's not like an intervening edit got in the way. This is distinctly not good: the software's thinking that I've tried to roll back my first edit to the page, not my latest. Rollback should always attempt to revert the latest edit, doing any consecutive previous ones along the way, but here it's trying to do something different. ] (]) 01:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:PS, the sandbox-maintenance bot just removed stuff, so I rolled it back, rolled back my rollback, and attempted to rollback my rollback rollbacking, but once again, the third edit failed. I understand that self-reverting twice is an exceptionally rare situation, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore the tool's misanalysis of what link was clicked. ] (]) 01:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*::{{replyto|Nyttend}} It's behaving as I would expect.
*::*Your first rollback reverts all consecutive edits made by the most recent editor (Epizode), producing revision 722273317 of 00:54, 27 May 2016, identical to revision 722270423 of 00:31, 27 May 2016 by Everymorning;
*::*your second rollback reverts all consecutive edits made by the most recent editor (Nyttend), producing revision 722273325 of 00:55, 27 May 2016, identical to revision 722271034 of 00:36, 27 May 2016 by Epizode;
*::*your third attempt to rollback reverts all consecutive edits made by the most recent editor (Nyttend). This would produce a version identical to ] but as noted, that is identical to revision 722273325 of 00:55, 27 May 2016 by Nyttend, which is the current version; so since it's a no-change edit, you get the "Rollback failed" error message.
*::It has worked like that since I was given ] in June 2010. Rollback doesn't toggle between versions, it reverts to the most recent version that was made by any person who is not the most recent editor. --] (]) 07:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:<small>Ok, this is kind of off topic, but I'm wondering, what exactly is the big deal over having rollback? Can't you do the same thing with a couple extra clicks by going to the page revision right before the offending editor, clicking "edit", and clicking "save"? This has puzzled me for a while. ] (]) 01:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::<small>Replied on your talk. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
* Not sure if I really like this change. At the very least, there should be an option in ] to revert it. Now I have to go through additional clicks in order to get to the user's talk page and be able to warn them with Twinkle with the "linked page" field automatcially filled in. I can at least confirm the option to leave a custom edit summary with a rollback as described at ] still works. —] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> (] · ]) 02:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
There's an incongruency with this change and the user's settings. At Preferences -> Browsing, I have ''"After rolling back a user's edit, automatically open their contributions page"'' enabled. Enabling this gives a '''rollback failed''' message which may or may not be correct (it seems non-deterministic).
After I disable ''"After rolling back a user's edit, automatically open their contributions page"'', rollback indeed asks for a confirmation. — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 03:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:That would be ]. ] 16:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*This change has absolutely neutered ], which now requires me to go through each rollback page that pops up and individually confirm that I mean to roll it back. This makes it much more time-consuming to keep track of and revert the few prolific ] that I would consider myself an expert on identifying. What problem was trying to be fixed when this was implemented? This seems to have created more issues than it solved. ~ <b>]</b><sup>]</sup> 04:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Apparently the problem was the . ] 16:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
We've elevated this to a talk page notice? At minimum, we should have a temporary roll back the change so developers like myself (STiki) have time to accommodate the change. Why are we breaking legacy functionality? "Because it would be nice..." for HTTP POST/GET semantics to be normalized? This is much more understandable for security issues, but script/tool editors should have gotten some lead time on this one. What trouble does a temporary withdrawal cause? ] (]) 04:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*I can see no benefit in the new design. It now requires a lot of extra work when mass-reverting changes made by a single user. . . ] (]) 08:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*It's as if {{myprefs|Appearance|{{int:tog-norollbackdiff}}}} is permanently enabled. You can still get to the diff showing the rollback that you made, it's in the little box that appears at upper right, but it's an extra click following a (potentially large) mouse move to that box, which you might not complete before it fades. --] (]) 08:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Please could someone explain to me, preferably in words of one syllable: (a) when and where script developers were notified that this change was happening; and (b) how it affects scripts that do rollback using AJAX, by querying the rollback token and then POSTing it. Thanks. ] (]) 11:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:(a) This was added to the ]. ] 16:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**Granted. But this says nothing about scripts that do rollback via AJAX. No window is opened. ] (]) 18:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''WTF is this? Change rollback back.''' Was there even any community discussion or consultation before this change was made? Absolutely ''textbook'' case of a solution looking for a problem, and not only are anti-vandal tools like STiki now broken, the "warn" function of Twinkle is dead as well since the "linked article" field no longer autocompletes as rollback doesn't open in a new page anymore. This is some VisualEditor level incompetence and whoever instigated this deserves a good ]ing (and then some). Again, change this shit back. '''''] ]''''' 11:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*{{ping|West.andrew.g}} Not sure what you mean by "talk page notice"? I added this to the watchlist notice because I thought it would reach the right audience without being too intrusive to people that don't use rollback. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
** Oops, sorry, I meant watchlist notice. ] (]) 15:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*This is really annoying. The whole point of admin rollback is to be able to do a quick rollback. WTF? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' I was wondering why Twinkle suddenly stopped working. Is this going to be fixed anytime soon? Why would a change like this take place without discussion and testing? ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 13:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The place to complain about "why was this done" or "roll this back" is ] - if it gets enough noise perhaps the developers will revert. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::With respect, Xaosflux, no it isn't. The developers should be monitoring this page on a regular basis especially after any major change is implemented, because it's the first place that reports about such changes are likely to be raised. A pretty obvious way of helping to keep their customers happy, I'd have thought. —]] 14:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Smalljim}} I agree they should be, and I did link this discussion to the phab ticket that I opened asking for a revert. From what I can tell this is change was wide in scope, so reaches far beyond the English Misplaced Pages. I suggested the phab page so it could get more "heat". — ] <sup>]</sup> 14:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::: As a tool developer I am monitoring this page, and its the first place I come when something breaks. If a mistake is made and something is broken, developers fix it. This is something else entirely. This is a change with seemingly inconsequential benefit that breaks a whole host of tools (CBNG, Lupin, Twinkle, and STiki). I can't imagine how many man-hours are going down the drain, and how much more vandalism is surviving longer than it should. It takes me time to code up a fix, test it, and push a new version. Responsible development finds the tools effected by a change and gives them lead time to make a change (and ideally, doesn't break legacy functionality without a darn good reason). Look to the recent "authentication manager" changes for a good example on how this is done. I haven't seen any mention made of harm incurred for a short term withdrawal of the change. ] (]) 15:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yes, thanks for your efforts over this, Xaosflux. The apparent lack of any awareness (here and at phab) by the devs of the mess that this has caused is disappointing. I should think it's something their managers could usefully look into correcting - these are paid staff, aren't they? —]] 15:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
At the risk of looking like I'm just piling on here, I'd like to add my voice to those saying that these recent changes are entirely detrimental to the use of rollback (at least the way I use it). Reverting vandalism and other unconstructive edits is simply more difficult and time consuming now. Some of the problems I now encounter include: 1) Repeatedly being asked to confirm each rollback when rolling back multiple edits by one user, 2) after using rollback Twinkle no longer opens a user talk page with the "linked page" field automatically filled in, and 3) inaccurate "rollback failed" messages. ] (]) 14:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
And to add to the cheer, Cluebot NG seems to have been AWOL since yesterday evening. Now, I wonder how that could be? ] (]) 14:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
I'll add an issue I've observed: when rolling back with the option that allows one to enter an edit summary, which I almost always use, my summary text is not saved. ] (]) 14:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* As Materialscientist said, normal rollback displays a loading gif, opening in a new tab needs confirmation. What pisses me off is that after the rollback is complete, it does not reload the page (previously it led to a new page with affirmation). Yet to see the behaviour with multiple edits. Nice to know the devs give zero fucks about the tons of scripts and users who were about to be affected by this. --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">] <small>(] <span style="color:#6F4E37">☕</span> ])</small></span> 15:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**There is a difference between not giving a fuck and misjudging the impact of a change. —] (] • ]) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
***Whatever you say. Just rubs me a bit on the wrong side when all we try to is help the project and then we take a step back. Not a big deal, guess I should be more calm. --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">] <small>(] <span style="color:#6F4E37">☕</span> ])</small></span> 15:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
****Speed is probably the WORST metric there is when it comes to development. 17:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*****Back when I was a programmer in IBM, it was impressed upon us that "timeliness is part of quality". More seriously, I agree with you on the general point, but here we are discussing the particular point of the speed with which the developers admit their mistakes. By my standards, they are not doing well. ] (]) 18:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
***I can't defend QEDK's language, but we won't be able to tell which of the two it is until we see how quickly the developers fix things. ] (]) 15:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Argh, same for Huggle actually. I can't revert on Huggle - at first I thought it might be down to my name change and HG not recognising my new name but nope, just saw this. I am therefore outlining that this has happened on Huggle too. Regards --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Patient Zero}} Huggle is working just fine for me. —] <small>(formerly Qpalzmmzlapq)</small> ] ] 17:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::{{U|MRD2014}} - I'll try again now. You changed your name too, didn't you? I was Chesnaught555. --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 17:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
As noticed above, a developer is on this, and nothing should be broken anymore very soon. Thanks for your patience. --] (]) 15:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you {{U|Elitre (WMF)}}. --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 15:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Why are WMF ruining everything on this site ? ... As if VE, Flow and the green-background update thing isn't bad enough They now mess around with (and ruin) Rollback ...., WOuld be nice if they actually left things alone ......., '''Don't fix what isn't broken'' springs to mind. –]<sup>]</sup> 16:56, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::I agree {{u|Davey2010}}. Rollback was working fine until all this happened. --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 17:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Good to hear that everyone knows best about things they don't know jack about. —] (] • ]) 17:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::I've never said I know best and I'll admit I don't know best inregards to rollback however when you fuck around with a tool that's used by a lot of people on a daily basis and don't bother saying anything then you should know shit's going to hit the fan - As I said above if you don't fix what isn't broken then there's not going to be a problem, Everything gets updated and improved that's life but this wasn't an improvement ... it was an inconvenience as demonstrated in this tread alone. –]<sup>]</sup> 13:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::Huggle now works for me, by the way. That's that sorted. --<font color= "#0000FF">]</font> <sup><font color="0000FF">]</font></sup> 17:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Rollback works for me, but I don't like the new way it works. Before it would rollback the edit(s) and show me a new page with the edits removed, similar to an undo. Now, I get one of those little bubbles in the upper right-hand corner of the screen saying the rollback was successful, but it stays on the page, making me ''feel'' like it didn't work. I don't mind the bubble (they're now all over the place, e.g., "edit saved"), but I'd like to see the "proof" without going to history.--] (]) 18:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Somehow I don't think it has affected me. Whether I click on the rollback button on the same tab or opened a new tab with rollback, I get the same result (action complete with diff). Is this only a problem for Twinkle / Huggle / other similar scripts that piggyback on rollback for editors that have the rollback button? (But if you have Twinkle why do you need rollback so desperately? Just handle it at software level!) ]] 22:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Deryck Chan}} The changes were reversed (albeit temporarily) when you tested it out. —] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> (] · ]) 22:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
=== Reversion is queued ===
{{notice|A developer has processed ] and it has gone live.}}
:A reversion of the breaking portion of the change is currently queued for updates and should be deployed in a few hours. The new change is not a 100% reversion - so keep an eye out for anything unexpected. — ] <sup>]</sup> 19:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Rollback is back to normal here now – straight to a page showing the diff of my edit so I can confirm I reverted the vandalism that I intended to. Just as it should be. And then on moving to the vandal's user talk page, Twinkle picks up the article title so I can warn without copy-pasting the title. Just as it should be :) —]] 20:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::So that works, but ClueBot NG is still down. —] <small>(formerly Qpalzmmzlapq)</small> ] ] 21:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::<small>(])</small>Rollback looks good. I confirmed that the generic ] seems good. User-derived independent versions might still have issues (out of scope). Any confirmation about STiki or {{u|ClueBot NG}}? (I'm a bit worried about the bot) — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 21:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Message left for operator ] - this is something the operator will need to address. — ] <sup>]</sup> 21:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::ClueBot NG has been given a restart and should hopefully be back reverting - <tt>]</tt><sup>]|]|]</sup> 22:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*I'm seeing a random "1" at the bottom-left of the diff page after a rollback. Noticed it on the Simple English Misplaced Pages too. —] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> (] · ]) 22:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*:{{ping|K6ka}} Thanks for the note - looks like that is a bug that got rolled in to the release - I've notified the developer. — ] <sup>]</sup> 22:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:*{{ping|K6ka}} - the spurious "1" problem has been resolved. — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
=== I think it's still broken ===
I use ] - my own modified version of ]. One big difference is that PILT does MediaWiki rollback using AJAX rather than by opening a new window. That has stopped working and is still broken. ] (]) 09:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:A bit more thorough description than: "broken" is usually helpful. Unfortunately i don't have the rollback permission, so I can't really test this. —] (] • ]) 19:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::"Doesn't work"? More seriously, I think there is an onus on the developers to tell the users and script writers precisely what they have changed. Something has changed, and not been reverted, in the way Misplaced Pages responds to a script that queries the rollback token for a diff and then issues an AJAX POST with an option of action=rollback, passing the token. Maybe there's an additional required option now - I don't know. Maybe that action is no longer accepted, in which case they should justify the reduction in functionality. If there's a way for a script to query ''why'' such a request was not actioned I should very much like to learn it, but I'm not aware of one. ] (]) 03:25, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::An update: The relevant Phabricator request seems to have been removed by Aklapper. Frankly, I'm not impressed. Please can it be said boldly: This project is suffering from a total disconnect between the developers of the MediaWiki software and the users thereof. I want, very much, for that disconnect to be healed. If it is not, the project is heading for the garbage can. It is disappointing that the developers simply do not seem to care. ] (]) 20:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Developer console allows you to use the debugger to step through any code and to inspect the requests and responses of any XHR (or normal for that matter) request. This might sound a bit snappy, but things change. If you can't debug this code now, then that means that you can't maintain it, which means that it by definition is going to break. If you write code you are a developer, not a user who needs to be told which 'importScript' to change. There is onus on MediaWiki developers to tell fellow developers about deprecations and removals yes, but there is no onus on them to figure out all problems. If you can't inspect a request, when other tools seem to have recovered just fine, then I feel very demotivated to start reading every character that was changed in the php code to figure out what is the reason for the 'breakage'. —] (] • ]) 20:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::::You make a fair point but I do not completely agree with you. I want to start by saying that in real life I am a professional software developer. I am used to writing code to documented APIs. Often, those APIs are not documented as clearly or completely as I as a developer might wish - ] has been a particular challenge, to take a recent example. The plain fact is, the MediaWiki API has changed recently, and I am not aware of any relevant change to the documentation thereof. I have seen indications that the developers are changing things in the area of rollback and AJAX - beyond that, I am ignorant. I very much want to know exactly what it is they have changed (that is still changed), and what they have changed it to. My code uses the API in a way different from that used by Twinkle, AVT, Cluebot NG and the like. So? I don't see that that makes me a second-class user - I want to know what the relevant change is. My code had not changed. I regard the failure of the developers to be more forthcoming as arrogant, high-handed, and worthy of condemnation. I will, as you suggest, apply what tools I can to determine where things have changed, but some constructive input from the developers would be welcome. ] (]) 21:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Philip Trueman}} Hi, could you explain which specific Phabricator request I "removed"? Phabricator tasks cannot be removed, however the associated projects of a task can be changed (if you referred to that). If you have specific questions why I did something, please elaborate and I'm happy to explain. Thanks, --] (]) 08:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::I apologise - I should have said 'closed'. As I understand it, you closed a request where a user (me) had made it clear that the fix seemed not to be complete, yes? ] (]) 08:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Philip Trueman}} Thanks for clarifying. Hmm, the ] seems to be in ] which was closed by a developer in ] (though more followup fixes took place after that action). My first activity in that task was ]. Seems like some misunderstanding here. :) --] (]) 09:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
{{ping|Philip Trueman}} I notice PILT uses the (since 1.24 deprecated) rvtoken parameter of the revisions module. Reading the diffs of the code, I suspect that this deprecated accessor was not converted along with the other tokens and might have broken in this latest changes. I'm verifying with other developers. —] (] • ]) 14:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:It appears this is also be reverted, still under (closed task) ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 16:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::Yes. PILT is working again. Thanks to those who listened. ] (]) 11:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:TheDJ: Thanks for this. I need to find the time to fix this, and any other deprecated usages, but it may take a few days. ] (]) 08:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
== Visual editor breaks reference popups ==
Hi! Idk if this is a bug or intended behavior, but after making and saving an edit using the visual editor, the popups to show footnote references don't show up any more... is this something wrong with my configuration, or a bug? Thanks! :) ] (]) 01:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Try doing a reload on the page. After doing a Save VE does not do a full reload of the page and this can mess with some scripts. I think this relates to {{phab|T53565}} and something to do with LivePreview. To work after a save scripts need to listen for some specific hook. I don't really know why they decided not to just reload the page after a save, but then there is a lot I don't understand about VE/parsoid. --] (]): 06:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks :) ] (]) 07:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
== "What links here" query ==
I've moved this discussion here from VPR - it seems to be more relevant to this page. Previous discussion is between the lines:
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When you check the "what links here" list for a page, you get all the pages which link to it in order of the pages' creation date. Is there any way to add an option button (or perhaps there's a script?) which will display all the linked pages in alphabetical order? ]...''<small><font color="#008822">]</font></small>'' 09:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - would make life so much easier. ] (]) 11:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
::This is more of a ] issue than VPR; there may already be a script to do this. --] (]) 19:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I'll move this discussion there. ]...''<small><font color="#008822">]</font></small>'' 01:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)}}
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if ( mw.config.values.wgCanonicalSpecialPageName === 'Whatlinkshere' ) {
==Mobile Misplaced Pages is totally broken right now==
Using a phone, web Misplaced Pages, no app. In mobile view, you can no longer view notifications, edit pages, or watch pages. It is as if pages are half loaded. Not sure what could be causing this. Section headings are also no longer collapsed, the top left corner menu button doesn't work, and the banner at the bottom of pages which links to the page history isn't displaying properly. There is likely other things. I have only noticed this today. Assuming it will be fixed at some time. —] (]) 02:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Is anyone still experiencing this problem? ] (]) 16:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::I saw this yesterday, somewhat later in the day, and it's working okay now on my iPad. Pleasant bonus, today I can switch between Desktop View and Mobile View without (usually) bringing up the app. Better control. ] (]) 22:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::The problems I described above appear to have been fixed. —] (]) 00:18, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Tags for removal of PROD templates? ==
I posted this message at ] more than a month ago but have not received a response regarding this. I am perfectly aware that once PROD templates are removed in an article, unless it is a BLPPROD template, the tag should not be re-added. However, in most cases (at least ones that I have seen), there's no indication that an edit removed a PROD template as for whatever reason no edit summary was included. This is particularly the case for newly-created articles which are not appropriate for Misplaced Pages but do not fit into any of the speedy deletion criteria so are instead PRODded, then the PROD tags are removed by the article creator (frequently without an edit summary), and so sometimes these articles end up outstaying their welcome. Would it be possible to add a tag for PROD removal, much like how there's a tag for CSD, AFD, and BLPPROD template removal, if only for tracking purposes? As far as I know, reading through ]' archives, such a tag is supposed to exist but for whatever reason has not been implemented. ] <sup>]]]]</sup> 02:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Watchlist the pages you PROD, it's that simple. <small>Also NaruSaku 4eva.</small> --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">] <small>(] <span style="color:#6F4E37">☕</span> ])</small></span> 19:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
== An actual one-click archiver ==
] ({{IPA|}}) is a script that allows a user to select and archive multiple discussions to another page. Archy McArchface was created to better enable experienced editors to clear out old discussions without having to rely on ], which functions much awkwardly when used to archive more than one discussion on a given talk page.
Users are encouraged to try it and provide useful feedback. Bugs and other issues can be reported at my talk page. <span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur; background:white;">→]]]. <small>(])</small></span> 02:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
== Preferences ==
{{tracked|T136387}}
On IE v. 11 using Windows 10, I have lost several of my preferences, nor can I get to any but the first {{myprefs|User profile}} page. The other tabs show up as links, however when clicked, nothing happens. Examples of lost preferences are my time/purge link at the top right of the page is gone, I can no longer right click a lead section to edit, none of my edit page prefs are appearing and so on and so on. It's been like this most of the day (that I've noticed). ], long time passing? <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>08:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
:Does the second link of {{myprefs|Gadgets}} work for you? --] (]) 08:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, ]! The {{myprefs|Gadgets}} second link just takes me to the top page, {{myprefs|User profile}}. I've tried logging out and logging back in, logging out, rebooting and logging back in, but nothing thus far has worked. <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>09:06, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::I just changed my password, and that didn't help either. <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>09:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::: Preferences aren't only affected - many tools and options based on JavaScript don't function, like NavPopup, tools above/bellow edit field, many sysop's functions (some of which are enabled in Preferences), and many more... I've noticed this in "my nightly shift" on hr-wiki about 4AM CEST. Among IE, also have tried FF and classic view on mobile phone, with the same problem. --] (]) 09:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: I did a Java update today, I think it was 91, so that might be a clue. <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>09:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
:::::Same problem for me using Pale Moon and Java 8u91 but all seems ok using Chrome on the same PC. ] (]) 09:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Me too. Gadgets and preferences are broken in Pale Moon 26.2.2, but work fine in M$ Edge. —<span style="font-family: serif">''''']<sup>]</sup>'''''</span> 09:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I think that there's a general JavaScript problem, see for example {{u|DangerousJXD}}'s thread ] and {{u|Jared Preston}}'s comment at ] above. --] (]) 09:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: It's a global problem, first spotted last night on hr-wiki, but also is true for other wikis (de, sr...). On some other sites (like JS examples on www.w3schools.com/) everything is OK. So, it's seems this problem is a result from new "fixing" in WM software. --] (]) 09:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I meant "general" as in "affects all use of JavaScript within the Wikimedia sites", i.e. Misplaced Pages, Commons, Meta and so on. --] (]) 09:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Coming to you from Firefox – when I first opened it the v. was 30, and it began to update to v. 46.0.1. At v. 30 the problems persisted; however, at v. 46.0.1 all is well and working properly. Checked Chrome and can confirm that it works as expected. <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>10:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::Just reported the IE11 incompatibility with Java 8u91 to Microsoft (endash) fingers crossed. <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>11:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)</small>.
This appears to be tracked in Phab {{Phab|T136387}}. —<span style="font-family: serif">''''']<sup>]</sup>'''''</span> 11:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* Same problems here. Cant even see the "show" link on the collapsed navigation templates. This is crazy. I cant hover over wikilinks and see any of the fancy stuff from where i usually reverted vandals. Twinkle options have also gone i guess.... §§]§§ <small>{] / ]}</small> 12:11, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::And now I can't even log in! (]) --] (]) 12:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::] currently displays: <code>Exception encountered, of type "Exception"</code>. This indicates you are probably hit by the older ]. ] (]) 12:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::] indicates a problem at bewiki. Try if you can log in at ]. ] (]) 13:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::That worked lovely! Thanks! —<span style="font-family: serif">''''']<sup>]</sup>'''''</span> 13:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* This problem is not limited to IE11. I'm running IE10 under Windows 7 (blame my company's IT department!) and having the same problems: can't access other tabs on the ] page, and my ] tools are gone. <font color="green">]</font><font color="green" size="5px"></font><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::I should think the vandals are having a whale of a time today. CluebotNG has been down for about 18 hours, sTiki, LAVT and Twinkle are not working properly. Here, Twinkle won't even load now on Firefox 24, or IE 11, or Pale Moon 22, or an old version of SRware Iron (a Google Chrome clone). Neither will Popups, or the preferences tabs as noted above. Seems OK on the latest version of Firefox (43.0.1) that I've just loaded onto a laptop. Are we all suddenly expected to only use the latest browser versions? - I have good reasons for not doing so, and of course others don't get the option. This needs fixing! ] (]) 13:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC) (aka ])
Problem appears to be fixed now. —<span style="font-family: serif">''''']<sup>]</sup>'''''</span> 15:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Partly - things are loading now, but that rollback change is still extant and is still stopping Twinkle from working properly. —]] 15:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:: This is entirely unrelated to the rollback change. The problematic deployment of CentralNotice changes was reverted. ] <small>]</small> 15:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks for forcing this through, Matma Rex. It looks as if we can be hopeful that the change to rollback will be rolled back soon as well. Two separate, erm, ''unwelcome changes'' in 24 hours is a record, I think! —]] 15:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: I did not "force" anything, I had an obviously broken change reverted ("obviously" as in "syntax errors in JavaScript"). Like I said, that was not related to the rollback thing, and the reverts of them are similarly unrelated. ] <small>]</small> 16:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, thank you for that, you and all the devs who worked on this to fix things! All is back to normal, and I have no words to tell you how good that is! <small>'']''</small> ''''']''''' <small>01:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
== Tool to close RMs ==
I was wondering if there's a tool to close requested moves (I think no), if there isn't, there's a job for coders with time on their hands. --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">] <small>(] <span style="color:#6F4E37">☕</span> ])</small></span> 15:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:There isn't one, as far as I know. And I doubt one will be built to be honest because it will be largely pointless (like the current TFD closer) where it simply adds the templates to substitute in the closing without actually carrying out any of the actions required after the close (this is what makes the AFD script so great). ] (]) 13:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, it should be possible to write a script that does most of the things listed in the ]. I don't think we should try and get a script to do history merges or history swaps, but doing the actual page move, fixing any double redirects, updating free use rationales, and updating the category sort keys all sound like good candidates for automation. It wouldn't be the simplest script to write, but there are plenty of more complicated ones on Misplaced Pages already. — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 14:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
== Problem staying logged in ==
Hi. I'm on Windows 10, MSIE11, all current updates applied. Set to accept cookies. I log in to Misplaced Pages and select "stay logged in for 30 days", but it only keeps me logged in in that browser window. If I open a link in a new tab or window, it thinks I'm not logged in. If I close the browser Window, it doesn't remember me any more. This problem is new today. Any ideas please? Thanks in advance. --] (]) 16:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tried allowing cookies for this site specifically, instead of just allowing cookies in general? http://www.technipages.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IE-Per-Site-Cookies.png ] (]) 19:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Yes, I've done that for wikipedia.org (and restarted, though I don't think that was necessary). The problem isn't happening on Chrome, only on IE. Another thing that's happening is that the next logged-in session doesn't remember that I've told the watchlist to hide the list of meetups. I strongly suspect that some malware has got in and has arranged for cookies to be deleted at end of session, but I've no idea how to track it down if so. --] (]) 21:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't think it is very likely that malware is deleting your cookies, but you can download the free version of malwarebytes on malwarebytes.org and use it to scan your computer. Also make sure you have a virusscanner that is up to date, and use that to scan your computer too. But I strongly suspect that the problem is something else (but I don't know what). Do you have Norton Internet Security installed? Many people report that NIS can cause this problem. Have you tried to recreate the problem when starting IE with all addons disabled (Win+R to open the Run box, then type iexplore –extoff and click on OK.)? And have you tried clearing the cache and the cookies? ] (]) 21:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Surely you've checked that IE is not deleting cookies on exit, haven't you? Tools > Internet options > General. If the box is ticked (checked), untick it. ] (]) 00:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::That wouldn't explain the behaviour the OP described ("''If I open a link in a new tab or window, it thinks I'm not logged in.''") but it is a good idea to check it. ] (]) 00:25, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:::He/she also said, "If I close the browser Window, it doesn't remember me any more." which is the classic symptom of ticking the box. ] (]) 02:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks guys for spending your time on this. I do appreciate it. (I'm a he, by the way.) Yes, I did make sure that box (Delete browsing history on exit) is unchecked. It's certainly worth asking that sort of question, though. It would be silly to miss the solution by being too "polite" to ask if I had done something, however obvious. {{smiley}}
:I've tried all the things that ] suggested yesterday. Malwarebytes found a couple of PUPs, which it has deleted, but the problem persists. Running with add-ons disabled didn't change the situation. (I haven't recently acquired any new add-ons, unless something has found a way to hide.) I don't use Norton. My antivirus is Kaspersky Total Security 2016, and its up-to-date. In two full scans yesterday, it didn't see anything amiss. The problem of being forgotten when clicking a link in a new tab or window also occurs in YouTube (but strangely, it does not occur on my Open University login, which does recognise me after a shift-click).
:Yesterday morning when I switched on, I noticed some strange behaviour which I tracked down to the FUvirus. I thought that by lunch time I had got rid of it, and no other strange behaviour has been repeated. What I fear may have happened is that the intruder may have managed to plant some code that overrides the setting that ] asked me to check, and deletes cookies anyway. I've had both Kaspersky and malwarebytes scan the IExplore.exe file specifically, and neither sees anything to worry about. What do you think?
:Thanks again. --] (]) 10:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Main page optimisation ==
Just a quick question, sorry if it's not the right place, but what resolution are we aiming to have the main page optimised for (not the mobile variant, obviously). Thanks. ] (]) 19:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Not the answer you want: all resolutions, see ] (but ensuring that it looks good on the most commonly used resolutions may be a good idea). ] (]) 21:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Except that we ''don't'' use responsive web design on the main page. It uses a fixed table layout which doesn't change in any way (except that the mobile view excludes all content other than TFA and ITN, presumably for bandwidth reasons). For some time I've been meaning to propose that we use media queries to allow the featured picture to appear larger for people with large screens, but have never got around to it. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">]</span> 06:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:::The Rambling Man did use the word "aiming". I think almost everyone agrees that the current homepage is far from perfect. If you ever make that proposal, please think about . ] (]) 10:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:Actual answer: none. The main page is a dinosaur from web 1.0, where screensizes could only go up and mobile internet was still sience-fiction. I have been ] to get us out of the stone age. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 08:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::Pish, we're at least up to the bronze age. I actually kind of miss the ], back when we were more concerned about information density than making things look pretty. —] 08:59, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Getting colour to display properly ==
Having an issue with the ] and it's one that has baffled me for several years. On the infobox why do the sleeves on the kit display as blue and white rather than claret and white? From what I can see the colour codes (don't know the proper name, sorry) are the same and yet they display differently.I'm sure it's something simple but this sort of thing is beyond me so if some nice person could fix it I would be grateful. As ever, apologies in advance if this is the wrong place but there are so many helpdesk type things on here now that I never know which is which any more! ] (]) 00:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:The problem is in nested template {{t1|Football kit}} - using <code>_whitestripes</code> breaks it - checking further. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:34, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::Oh, well, looks like you found it just as I was looking into it. . <span style="text-shadow:7px 5px 7px maroon;font-family:High Tower Text">-- ] <sup>]</sup></span> 01:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{ec}} {{ping|Keresaspa}} the "pattern" actually a complete picture ], that is replacing the underlying color. You would need to make a new pattern and upload it. For additional help on that see ]. (Looks like ] already took care of it.) — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:43, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks folks, looks great now :) ] (]) 01:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Permanently use Desktop version on a phone or tablet ==
A reader contacted Wikimedia (]), desiring to turn off the mobile mode permanently.
According to ], if they have cookies enabled and click on the desktop mode it should be permanent. However, they claim this is not so, or if so then the cookies must be expiring quickly because the reader has to re-enable the desktop option every couple of days.
Can we provide any advice?--]] 13:08, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:It's not permanent but these cookies last for 30 days (as mandated by ]). User must have cookies enabled, and prefferrably JS too. ] (]) 00:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:If they are using a browser, they may be able to workaround by changing their load page to . — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:I know this is then just for logged-in users, but can it be made permanently through a user-.css or .js (or a gadget or preference)? --] <sup>] ]</sup> 05:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{rto|Nirmos}} Nope, that results in a constant refresh of the page (at least in the non-mobile). --] <sup>] ]</sup> 10:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::]: You added it to ]. It needs to be in ]. ] (]) 10:54, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah, thanks .. have to start keeping track of the different .js-s. At the moment it is not clear what .js does what and when (I thought this was skin-dependent ..). --] <sup>] ]</sup> 10:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{rto|Nirmos}} that had the same effect on mobile than what I earlier saw on a regular site: continuous refresh of the mobile site. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 15:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::::]: Does it work better if you make the assignment conditional?
:::::I'm afraid that doesn't work. As long as the desktop page redirects to the mobile site, you will get stuck in a loop. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 19:21, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
== Redirect not listed in NewPages ==
{{tracked|T136532}}
The redirect {{no redirect|We Are the Luniz}} is not shown in the <span class="plainlinks"></span> and the recreation of the deleted page is not shown in ]. ] (]) 17:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
== Rollback past SineBot? ==
One minor annoyance I've encountered when using rollback (both Twinkle and the tool) is that when the editor being rolled back does not sign their initial post, SineBot will usually sign it for them. This cases a break in the string of edits and rollback only goes back to SineBot's edit. Is there a way we could have rollbacks ignore SineBot and include them in the rollback? A similar issue occurs when references are rescued by AnomieBOT. See the from May 28 for an example of what I'm referring to. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 18:34, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:Twinkle has a button to restore a particular revision. <span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur; background:white;">→]]]. <small>(])</small></span> 19:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{re|Σ}} I do use that when I realize there's an intervening edit. Problem is when I don't. Takes more time too (on my slow ass laptop with 40+ tabs open and whatnot). ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 04:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::True ] (as opposed to Twinkle's rollback) is a MediaWiki feature, which "]". It has no way of knowing that SineBot has a special task to perform: as far as the MediaWiki software is concerned, SineBot is just another user, which may well be the editor that is not the last editor. It ''could'' find out that SineBot is a bot, but would have no way of distinguishing it from e.g. {{user|Cyberbot II}} which also edits Talk: pages.
:::To get the behaviour of true rollback changed would need a ] request. --] (]) 15:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
== Odd error when using efn ==
== Heading in history view ==
A recent minor edit to ] has caused a large error message to appear due to an empty REF tag. There is no ref tag at that point, it's an EFN. There are other EFNs on the page that are working fine. Can someone spot what's going on here? ] (]) 01:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:It looks like ] already fixed this. — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Maury Markowitz|Kind Tennis Fan}} As {{u|AustralianRupert}} noticed, the problem was the equals sign inside the URL; but the change to using {{tlx|cite web}} added undesirable quote marks. All that was necessary was to explicitly number the parameter, i.e. use <code>{{efn|1=An image</code> instead of <code>{{efn|An image</code>. --] (]) 17:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The following edits and show a different heading (corresponding to the section being edited) in the edit summary than edits (which was made using the convenient discussions tool) and (which was made using the reply tool). When navigating from the history view, clicking on the heading in the edit summary for the first two edits results in a popup saying {{tq|This topic could not be found. It might have been deleted, moved or renamed.}} I made my edit using the default wikitext editor. Does anyone know why it would produce an incorrect heading in the edit summary? ] (]) 19:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
== No longer getting indications of "Since your last visit" in edit histories ==
:@] there are problems in jumping to the correct section when the section heading contains links, either <nowiki>]</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki>. ] (]) 19:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
As someone who monitors hundreds if not thousands of articles, I rely on the green highlighting of the "new since your last visit" to show me how far back I should check the changes to an article. I find that highlighting is not there any more in my page view. Can someone please explain or repair this? Thanks. Please ping me as this page is fairly active and I may therefore miss replies. ] (]) 03:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::Sure; just wondering why the behaviour is inconsistent with the reply tool and the default wikitext editor (I would have thought the same code would be used to generate the heading for both use cases, but I guess not). ] (]) 19:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:I saw them first appear just a couple days ago and now they're gone... didn't even know it was a possibility to have them. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 04:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Isaacl}} Your post was confusing because your third link was the same as the second and you didn't clarify what was supposed to be different. The wikitext of the actual heading says <code><nowiki>Dark mode and {{tl|Yes}}</nowiki></code> which renders as "Dark mode and {{tl|Yes}}" without <code>tl</code> being displayed. Your second link uses the wikitext with <code>tl</code> in the edit summary and fails to link to the section. Your third link should have been where the edit summary uses the rendering without <code>tl</code> and links correctly to the section ]. Different discussion features apparently use different ways to generate the automatic section edit summary and one of them works better in this case. ] from 2014 is about the issue. ] (which doesn't apply to project space) says "For technical reasons, section headings should: ... Not contain template transclusions." ] (]) 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Softlavender}} This in {{yourcss}}:
::::My apologies for the copy and paste mistake for the links. Yes, obviously the edit summaries and underlying link text are being generated in different ways. I was wondering if it is a visual editor vs default wikitext editor difference, or something else? And if it was fixed for visual editor, was there an issue in following the same approach for the wikitext editor (maybe the fix was just partial, or not sufficiently resilient?). But I'm not asking for anyone to do any deep research on it. If someone knows off the top of their head, it would be nice to know. Thanks for the Phabricator link; it helped provide some context. (I know about the style recommendation for section headings; thanks for the reference.) ] (]) 23:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
<pre>
:Basically, this happens because the wikitext editor generates the edit summary directly from the wikitext of the heading, while the visual editor generates it from the parsed HTML of the page. The HTML contains the <code>id</code> attribute needed to make the correct link, but generating the correct link from the wikitext would require parsing it to HTML first, and most of the tools don't bother to do that.
span.updatedmarker {
:The same applies to other wikitext-based editing tools and other HTML-based editing tools. There are more tasks in Phabricator about this, ] is a good summary and has even more links.
color: black;
:The only wikitext-based tool I know that does this better is DiscussionTools's new topic tool's wikitext mode, where we solved it as a side-effect of ] – we needed to parse the HTML for some other reasons, and once that was implemented, adding a bit of code to read the <code>id</code> attribute out of it was easy. In principle the same approach could be used in other editors, but it is tricky to get the data from point A to point B, especially without affecting performance, and no one has put in the effort to do it yet. ] <small>]</small> 23:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
background-color: #0f0;
::Thanks for the explanation! ] (]) 23:33, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
}
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:should produce: <span style="color: black; background-color: #0f0;">updated since my last visit</span>. But you should currently be seeing: <span style="color: #006400; background-color: transparent;">updated since my last visit</span>. The latter is set for the English Misplaced Pages in ]. Are you seeing nothing at all now? ] (]) 10:25, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
== Why is this image acting so odd? ==
::I have from time immemorial seen the green highlighting, which I personally need. Now I do not see the green highlighting, only the words ("updated since your last visit"). Can someone explain to me how to fix it and get the green highlighting back, if it is an individual thing? ] (]) 11:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
{{tracked|T384128}}
:::{{ping|Softlavender}} Save the above code in {{yourcss}}. ] (]) 11:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
]
], floated in this section, doesn't give a thumbnail. In this it turned into a page-wide hyperlink to the image page. When I click on the link, I see "Unauthorized
This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document you requested." What's going on there? ] (]) 16:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:This looks like a recurrence of ]. --] 🌹 (]) 17:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for explaining and for reporting the bug, ] (]) 03:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::It wasn't me, it was {{user|Dylsss}}. --] 🌹 (]) 10:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
=== Page mover SVG broken? ===
==Tool is down==
The ref refill tool is down since a day or two back. I am not sure if this is the correct forum for this request but if someone could take a look at what the problem is that would be appreciated. Or if someone could direct me to the user in charge of the tool. Thanks. --] (]) 17:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:I can't help, but I tried to use it a couple days ago and it failed to work, so just corroborating your experience.--]] 21:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::Could you provide steps to reproduce the problem? How to get to the "ref refill tool"? Thanks! --] (]) 08:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::: ] is hosted at ] and {{U|Zhaofeng Li}} is the maintainer. I was able to use it without any problems. — ] <small>(]'''·'''])</small> 10:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|BabbaQ|Sphilbrick|AKlapper (WMF)|JJMC89}} I'm the maintainer of the tool, and the problem has been ]. Sorry for the interruption. {{smiley}} <span style="text-shadow:.1em .1em .2em #000">]</span> <sup>]</sup> <small>(Please {{]}} when replying)</small> 10:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::: Thanks for the notice and, more importantly, thanks for the tool. I manually improve refs when there are a few needing improvement, but when there a lot, the tool is very helpful.--]] 11:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Is it just me or is ] somewhat broken? I'm getting "Sorry, the file cannot be displayed There seems to be a technical issue. You can retry if it persists. Error: could not load image from <nowiki>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/1024px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png</nowiki>" when clicking the image on ]. I have tried on Firefox, Chrome, Edge, iOS Safari with or without safemode, all yield the same results. However, clicking the original file doesn't generate the same error. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> ] <span style="color:#f535aa">(] • ])</span>''' 13:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
The "mark all as read" button on my watchlist has gone (Windows 8.1, Firefox 46). It's still there on Commons. What's going on? ] (]) 19:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:I'm moving some watchlist styles around; hitting a snag, trying to fix. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 19:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::Reverted. Please allow 5 minutes for the button to reappear. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 19:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::It's now reappeared to me. ] (]) 19:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
== Boldlinks in watchlist ==
== Gadget proposal ==
We currently have a gadget that makes disambiguation links orange, which makes correcting said links much easier. Would it be feasible to create something similar for redlinks to articles that have previously been deleted? For instance, let's say I'm writing an article on an academic named Joe Bloggs, who published a significant work cowritten by Joe Public. I believe Joe Public is notable, but he does not currently have a Misplaced Pages article, so I create a redlink. However, I failed to check the page's deletion log (!!), which shows that an article on Joe Public did once exist, but it was deleted after its subject was found to lack sufficient independent coverage. Now imagine if I had a gadget that made that redlink purple (or pink, or maroon, or black; I'm not picky), so I would know at a glance to not bother to create a link for a person who has already been determined to not meet notability criteria. It would also make it easier to spot and correct such links while looking through other articles. Much like with the existing gadget I mentioned, this is, of course, still a process that can be done manually, but a gadget would make it much more efficient. ] 19:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Links in the watchlist such as ] in mine next to a green bullet stay bold. ] (]) 19:47, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|An anonymous username, not my real name}} MediaWiki adds the class mw-disambig to links to disambiguation pages like ]. This means the gadget only has to say links with that class should be orange. The entire code of the gadget is one line in ] and it's client-side with no impact on the servers. MediaWiki does not add a class to red links with a deletion log like ]. A gadget would have to make an API call to the servers for each red link on a page to check for deletion logs. I don't think that's worth the server load even if somebody would make the non-trivial code. ] (]) 20:33, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:Here too. Bug in Gadgets/Resource Loader being stuck in some state, again. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 21:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::That's fair. Thank you for taking the time to explain. ] 20:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::It has happened before, but that was always fleeting. Now it seems to be there permanently until you click on the page concerned. I don't understand the whys and wherefores, and I don't really see any point in the bolding. In addition I find it aesthetically annoying and wish it gone. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 08:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::The script, as noted, only has to hit the servers for redlinks. More broadly ], that's the server admins' job. If it became a problem they would alert us. There is also a lot of caching in user agents as well as the WMF servers, and this is only doing reads so it hits the caches. --] (]) 01:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Edokter}} try a whitespace change on the resources to trigger it perhaps ? —] (] • ]) 08:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Itseems to havecleared.<codestyle="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- ]]] {{]}}</code> 10:45, 30May2016 (UTC)
:You probably want to raise this as a feature request for ] instead. – ] (]) 10:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:: I don't know that I'd implement such a request. Most of what linkclassifier does is based on categories (a little is based on page props). To do this, it'd have to query the logs for each page, which is a whole different thing. ]] 15:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:Just curious, what gadget makes dab links ''orange?'' I have the one that makes redirects green, dab page links have a ''yellow background'', etc... - ] <sub>]</sub> 23:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|The Bushranger}} It's "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" at ]. The feature you describe is not a gadget but a user script you load in ]. ] (]) 00:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:Just because a page has previously been deleted, you can't assume that the article you were going to create would fail our notability criteria. Notability is far from the only deletion criteria, and especially if you are creating articles on people, you can't always assume that the person you were going to write about is the same person as the adolescent pro skateboarder whose article was deleted fifteen years ago. They may just have the same name. That said, some sort of colour coding or pop up that alerted you to there being a previous article of that name and the reason and recency of deletion might be helpful. New page patrol has a recently deleted colour which usually indicates that someone is repeatedly trying to create a particular article. '']]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 06:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
== Do certain configuration templates need to be in the first <var>n</var> bytes of a page? ==
== Baffled by escaping characters in an SQL query ==
I have a vague recollection that certain templates need to be in the first <var>n</var> bytes of a page? I'm thinking of templates like these:
I'm trying to run some queries to track use of a particular set of DOI citations, using Quarry. The problem is that DOIs linked through a citation template are partly URLencoded, which means a lot of <code>%3F</code> and so on - and <code>%</code> is the normal SQL wildcard.
* {{tl|CS1 config}}
* {{tl|use dmy dates}}
* {{tl|Use British English}}
* {{tlu|User:MiszaBot/config}}
* {{tl|Italic title}}
* {{magic word|DISPLAYTITLE}}
I can't find anything about this in searches of documentation here or at ] It looks to me like ] searches the entire page contents. Do other bots or scripts care? ] (]) 19:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:Moving configs somewhere else which CS1 relies on is likely to have a non-zero increase on the Lua execution time associated with a page. (These metadata are incidentally good candidates to move to something like ] since they definitely don't need to participate in transclusion and are otherwise pretty simple settings.)
Searching for the unencoded form - <code>'%dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb%'</code> - gives me , all of which are cases where the DOI is linked directly. The partly URLencoded form is <code>%dx.doi.org/10.1093%2Fref%3Aodnb%2F%</code>, and it seems like the escaped form for a SQL search would be either <code>%dx.doi.org/10.10932Fref3Aodnb2F%</code>, or <code>'%dx.doi.org/10.1093!%2Fref!%3Aodnb!%2F%' ESCAPE '!'</code> (explicitly calling an escape character). Both of these, however, . It should be returning somewhere around four thousand results, and returns none at all. Any ideas where I'm going wrong? ] (]) 22:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:Title templates are there because they modify the title though you could theoretically move them.
:The %2F stuff is what you see in a link, but a slash (/) is stored in the external links table. Same for %3F and colon (:). I think you need to use / and : with no urlencoding. ] (]) 22:51, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:Archiving template is there because it would otherwise get lost by archiving of threads + addition of new threads. ] (]) 20:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::That only produces a very small number of results, though. There should be about 4300 articles (everything using {{tl|cite ODNB}} will generate these DOIs) but the non-encoded version gets about seventy or eighty, all from non-templated links. It seems there must be some distinction in the way they're stored, but I can't figure out what. ] (]) 22:55, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:AFAIK the only one that is position-critical is {{tlux|User:MiszaBot/config}}, which must be before the first section heading (of any level), i.e. in the lead section. This is to guard against it being accidentally moved to an archive, which might happen if it were placed inside a section (or subsection) which became archived. It's possible that {{tlx|CS1 config}} might need to be before the first ]/] template, but not if the relevant JavaScript function(s) has been written carefully. {{pb}} The others are definitely position-independent, but do have conventional positions, summarised at ]. --] 🌹 (]) 22:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Can you find an example of a link you want the query to list, but which is not? That is, please post a link to the article and the wikitext in that article which generates the link. ] (]) 23:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::] reads article wikitext looking for {{tlx|CS1 config}}, {{tlx|use dmy dates}}, and {{tlx|use mdy dates}} (and any of their redirects). Of course, the earlier these appear in the wiki text, the less work the module needs to do. But, if none of them appear in the wikitext, the module still must scan all of the wikitext to be sure that none of them exist so placement really doesn't matter. Scanning for the {{tld|use xxx dates}} could be made faster by eliminating some of the several redirects but that suggestion has already been dismissed ].
::—] (]) 22:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
== Mouse-over popups and redirects ==
::::I imagine ] would be one such article. There's a DOI in the ONDB ref. I notice in Andrew's escaped version, that the first forwardslash (between dx.doi.org and 10.1093) is not URL-encoded ... sadly my quarry queries are yet to be executed, so I don't know if this is material. --] ] 23:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
I've enabled ] that pops up a micro-summary of an article whenever I mouse over a link to it. Unfortunately, it's not working properly with redirects. For example, if visit ], I'm given the following text: ''I dedicate this book to my parents, ], and ]''. If I mouse over the first link, I get a picture of Amis and this text:<blockquote>Martin Amis ⋅ actions ⋅ popups
Sir Martin Louis Amis (25 August 1949 – 19 May 2023) was an English novelist, essayist, memoirist, screenwriter and critic. He is best known for his novels Money (1984) and London Fields (1989). He received the James Tait Black Memorial Prize for his memoir Experience and was twice listed for the Booker Prize (shortlisted in 1991 for Time's Arrow and longlisted in 2003 for Yellow Dog).</blockquote>However, if I mouse over the second link, I get this text:<blockquote>JK Rowling ⋅ actions ⋅ popups<br />Redirects to<br />J. K. Rowling ⋅ actions</blockquote>'''Is there a way to change this''', so that the popup shows the target of the redirect (as if the link went to the target), rather than the redirect itself? I can't imagine a reason why we should care whether it's an article or a redirect. The documentation suggests that identifying pages as redirects helps people fix them, but ''You probably don't want to "fix" such links every time you come across them'', and ] actively prohibits changing those redirects without some alternate reason, e.g. it's fine to replace "JK Rowling" with "J. K. Rowling" if we want the full stops and space to appear in the article, but not good to edit the article just to change <nowiki>] to ]</nowiki>. If there are any legitimate uses for distinguishing redirects from articles with this tool, that's different, but as far as I can see, it merely gets in the way of using this tool. ] (]) 22:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Nyttend}} The first time I hover over a redirect like ] after loading or reloading a page, I see text from the target below the text you quoted. If I come back to hover over the same link, I only see what you quoted. ] (]) 23:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
== Loading ] ==
::::::And, fwiw I got to that by looking at format of EL_to values for the article ] in --] ] 01:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You can use a regex with RLIKE to catch both the normal and URL-encoded versions in one query, using something like <source lang="sql" inline>RLIKE '.*dx.doi.org/10.1093(/|%2F)ref(:|%3A)odnb(/|%2F).*'</source>. There's a demo query for ] using this syntax at . — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 01:10, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Also, performance-wise I am guessing that it would help to anchor the regex to the start of the string, like <code>^(https?:)?//dx.doi.org/10.1093(/|%2F)ref(:|%3A)odnb(/|%2F).*</code>. — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 01:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::This is amazing - thanks all. So it looks like the database stores the slash encoded but the colon unencoded. Odd! ] (]) 14:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Good day. I am having trouble loading Huggle as no list of articles/edits is shown on it. Below are the system logs.
== Font problem ==
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 Failure of feed provider XMLRCS on enwiki, trying to find some alternative provider<br>
I normally use Firefox (version 44) on Windows 7. I wanted to try Chrome. After installing Chrome, I had problems with fonts. Chrome would show an Arial font but instead of in regular, it was in italics. Many things at Misplaced Pages that had been normal were italicized. I replaced my Arial regular font and it fixed the problem.
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 ERROR: XmlRcs failed: redis is empty for 10 seconds
Kindly advise me on what I can do or point me to the right editor/talk page for help. (I didn't go to the Huggle talk page for this issue, as the talk page is not very active and, at times, no one replies to messages. Thank you. ] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 02:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
However, I still have a problem. Article titles that should be normal are bold italics. Firefox shows the titles properly (although I had to make a long-standing setting change to force it to do so). AFAIK, nothing else in Windows itself is problematic, just Misplaced Pages, and thus far only article titles.
:@]: You can temporarily change the feed provider. Just open the System menu, click on <code>Change Provider</code>, and set it to <code>Wiki</code>. – ] <small>(])</small> 09:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Is there anything I can do to fix this? Thanks.--] (]) 23:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|DreamRimmer}} Thank you so much. It worked! Be safe and best.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 10:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Fred Gandt}} Thanks. Unfortunately, that didn't work.--] (]) 12:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Good day. I am having trouble loading Huggle as no list of articles/edits is shown. Below are the system logs.
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 Failure of feed provider XMLRCS on enwiki, trying to find some alternative provider<br>
== TOC limit overide ==
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 ERROR: XmlRcs failed: redis is empty for 10 seconds
Kindly advise me on what I can do or point me to the right editor/talk page for help. (I didn't go to the Huggle talk page for this issue, as the talk page is not very active and, at times, no one replies to messages. Thank you. ] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 02:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Is there a way to set my settings so that limits on Table of Contents (TOC) can be overridden? I find a number of articles where the TOC has been manually limited, and sometimes I've had issues with over-protective editors complaining that the TOC is too long when I remove the limit. (The last "discussion" I had on this issue was a disaster, so I'd prefer some individual setting.) I prefer to see the full contents listed, but I don't know of any way to expand a limited (not hidden) TOC, either through my settings or an individual page. - ] (]) 01:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tried setting it to another provider like IRC or Wiki? ] 02:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:Assuming there is no built in way, it can (I have no doubt) be done by ] or user ]. Will you provide an example page where the TOC is limited, so I can see the code? <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 03:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:: {{U|Frost}} Thank you for your reply. No, I have never have this issue and this is the first time after using Huggle for many years. How do I set to IRC or Wiki as provider? (note: I am not technical). Thank you.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 02:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:::From the toolbar at the top, click System > Change provider. ] 02:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{U|Frost}} I changed to Wiki, and it worked! Thank you very much for helping me. Thank you! Be safe and best.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 03:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Cassiopeia}} This is not a matter for ]; and as you also created a near-identical thread here at WP:VPT, I have combined the two. --] 🌹 (]) 18:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
== Requst for file name change ==
::It's usually done by a template like {{tl|TOC limit}}, on e.g. ]. If you add the following CSS to ] then it will always show all of the TOC levels:
<source lang="css">
/* Always show all TOC levels */
.toclimit-2 .toclevel-1 ul,
.toclimit-3 .toclevel-2 ul,
.toclimit-4 .toclevel-3 ul,
.toclimit-5 .toclevel-4 ul,
.toclimit-6 .toclevel-5 ul,
.toclimit-7 .toclevel-6 ul {
display: block;
}
</source>
::Hope this helps. — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 03:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
On January 17 I uploaded the image '''LMC SMC Bab al Mandab.png''', which shows the present (2025) position of the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds over the southern horizon. I have now created an accompanying image, LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_900.png, which shows the same thing as seen in the year 900. If possible, please rename the first image '''LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_2025.png'''.
:::Thank you both. I'm may be inactive for a few days because of a family illness, but I'll will check this out in a few days when I can. Thanks again. - ] (]) 12:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
If this is not the proper page for such a request, please advise. ] (]) 09:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:@]: You uploaded ] to Wikimedia Commons so you will need to request a rename there. You can read ] for guidance on how to rename a file. To rename this file, you can simply add the <code><nowiki>{{Rename|File:LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_2025.png|1|reason=your reason here}}</nowiki></code> template to the file description on the file page. Please don't forget to add your reason in the reason parameter. – ] <small>(])</small> 09:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks Mr. Stradivarius, I've tried it, and works. - ] (]) 14:55, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot for a quick and helpful advise! ] (]) 10:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The file has been renamed by Ziv on Wikimedia Commons. <small><sub><span style="color:SteelBlue;">Regards, </span></sub></small>] ] 10:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
== ] table. ==
== Cluebot NG is still down since rollback change ==
Adiscussionwashappeningat]. OtherthanRich, wholooks to beinvestigating,isanyoneelseable to assist with the problem?— ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·'''])</span> 04:19, 30May2016 (UTC)
When the links in the table showing the stubs, A class B class etc. are clicked on, it just goes to a blank-ish page. I suspect that there is something to do with the slash it the name, but I hope someone knows a solution. <span style="font-family:monospace;background:#368;padding:.2rem;color:white">'']''('']'')</span> 18:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:I'm not sure anything go be done on our end. ] might be worth a shot.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1737399951187:WikipediaFTTCLNVillage_pump_(technical)" class="FTTCmt"> — ]] 19:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
:{{ping|Andy M. Wang}} ClueBot NG is back up and running again. —] <small>(formerly Qpalzmmzlapq)</small> ] ] 17:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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*A new way to handle rollback was introduced. It broke some tools and scripts and was reverted. This will be re-planned after review.
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*The ] will get an edit summary field.
*A change to the <code><charinsert></code> feature could break some user scripts. Contact ] if the "click to insert special characters" links in the edit window break on your wiki.
* ] will be upgraded on Wikimedia wikis this week. This should not affect you, but if you have problems with the search function this is probably the reason.
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In ], the infobox for some reason doesn't contain ] that is shown in the read mode. I thought it's in the wikidata, but says the "end time" for that coa is 1925 and that since 2012 ] is used, yet the infobox displays the outdated coa. What's going on? ]<sup>]</sup> 09:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
== ] ==
:I fixed it by the old file, not sure if that is the normal way to fix this, but it works. ] (]) 12:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
== Contributions by CIDR range plus date range ==
Hi, Anybody know how to move the last (alphabetically) members of ] (i.e. ] and ]) into there correct alphabetical position ? Thanks ] (]) 17:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
: That's definitely strange. I tried adding {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} to ], but that didn't help, and ] already has one, but it seems to be ignored. ] (]) 17:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::I don't have time to investigate further, but I think {{tl|Infobox former country}} is the one to blame for that. --''']''' <small>(]/])</small> 17:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Right, <code>common_name</code> is required in {{tl|Infobox former country}} and used for category sorting. Fixed in and . It would maybe be better to code the infobox to use <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> as default but it wouldn't have solved Đ versus D. Do we have a feature to convert letters in a string to similar Latin letters like Đ to D? ] (]) 18:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Do we need it? See ], which should take care of that problem, I think. --] (]) 23:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Nice. I guess we don't need it for category sorting then. It might be used in certain external link templates to automatically convert a title to a url if no url parameter is given, but there are few sites where it would be relevant and if the feature exists then editors may fail to check that the conversion produces a working link. ] (]) 03:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm tracking a LTA account who frequently IP hops within the same session eg. they might switch IP 6 or 7 times within 30 minutes. However they appear to be limited to certain A or B classes which in theory makes tracking possible. But in practice anything bigger than a C is hard. For example class C ] is doable but class B ] is not, and certainly not class A 5.* .. (I have "JavaScript-enhanced contributions lookup 0.2 enabled", your results may look different from mine.)
== Problem with previewing with the API ==
Question: is there a tool to filter Class A or Class B based on ''time frame'' eg. show all edits within this Class A between 10:40 and 12:40 on Jan 20 on Enwiki. -- ]] 15:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
I have some code at ] that I've recently expanded to include a preview function by using the API's "parse" capability. I am and have been able to load the parsed HTML of an existing page rather easily using "action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvparse=true", but part of the code I'm writing allows the user to modify a page's wikitext (specifically an infobox) and preview the result. To generate the HTML preview, I use "action=parse&text=..." since the wikitext is not saved anywhere before previewing.
:I've long thought that the CIDR gadget is pretty much deprecated since the functionality was built in to the contributions page (there are probably still a couple of niche uses, but not many). The contributions page allows you to filter by range and date... For this /16 range the link looks like (there are no contributions on the 20th and it won't filter by exact time). Won't that suffice? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 15:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Excellent, thanks! Now wondering why is not working: or return valid JSON but empty. -- ]] 16:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I haven't checked the API doc but it's probably a "direction" issue. is the same as your's except that it reverses the two dates. ] (]) 22:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks John. Start is end. End is start. The docs mention this but somewhat confusingly. The default is {{para|ucdir|older}}, which requires ucstart to be higher than ucend. The original will work with {{para|ucdir|newer}} enabled: .. probably {{para|ucdir|newer}} should be the default because counting backwards is.. backwards. -- ]] 01:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
== Some table classes yet to be adapted for Dark Mode ==
A problem arises for large pages, though, since the URL includes the ''entire wikitext'' of the preview, and so in some (all? I'm using Firefox) browsers, an error is thrown. Is it possible to generate a parsed preview of some wikitext without having to include the entire text in the URL?--] (]) 23:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
An example can be found at ], where each cell features a white background with invisible transliteration:
:{{ping|Dudemanfellabra}} This should be possible by using an HTTP POST request instead of HTTP GET (which is the default for $.ajax). Data gets appended to the URL in GET requests but not in POST requests. The following code is untested on any actual long pages, but should do what you need:
<source lang="javascript">
var api = new mw.Api();
api.post( {
action: "parse",
format: "json",
contentmodel: "wikitext",
text: pagetext
} ).done( function ( data ) {
console.log( data.parse.text );
} );
</source>
:Best — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 04:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Also, the docs for mw.Api are . Or you could use the "method" parameter in $.ajax (). — ''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 04:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for that! I just added "method: 'POST'" to the ajax call (which I wasn't aware of), tested it on a long page, and it worked! I'll keep mw.Api in my back pocket for next time. Thanks again!--] (]) 04:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
== Having issues with the search function ==
|+ Some Javanese letters and their Balinese equivalents
|- class="letters-violet letters-lo"
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦲ|top=ha}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦤ|top=na}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦕ|top=ca}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦫ|top=ra}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦏ|top=ka}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦄ|top=a}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦄ|top=ā}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦆ|top=i}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦇ|top=ī}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦈ|top=u}}
|{{letter|l=jv|s=Java|ch=ꦈꦴ|top=ū}}
|-class="letters-pink letters-lo"
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬳ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬦ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬘ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬭ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬓ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬅ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬆ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬇ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬈ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬉ}}
|{{letter|l=ban|s=Bali|ch=ᬊ}}
|}
Does this imply that all classes labeled <code>letters-*</code> haven't been updated for Dark Mode yet?
;What were you expecting and what was the actual result of your action?
:When I click the search bar, I should be able to type my query in, press the {{Key|Enter}} key and be whisked away like normal. What ended up happening was when I am in the process of typing something in the search bar the cursor sometimes disappears completely, not allowing me to type until I click it again. When clicking on a link that is auto-suggested by search, it should lead me to the link. Instead, it leads me to a blank search results page.
;Where did you encounter the problem?
:I've had this problem with search for a while (can't remember how long though) and it drives me nuts when it doesn't act normally.
;What browser and what version of your browser are you using?
:I am using ] 51. In case it is needed, I have a ] desktop computer.
Additionally, I can't find where to modify the CSS code. Thank you for your attention. ]（]） 09:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks in advance! Best wishes,<br />
<span style="font-family: Lucida Console;">] (])</span> 00:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Check if you have any browser extensions enabled. These things tend to interfere at times with your normal browsing experience. —] (] • ]) 08:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Would be better to get rid of these colors altogether per ]. ] (]) 09:30, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
== Signature question ==
::I see the transliterations (e.g. ha and na) above the first row of characters in both light mode and dark mode. – ] (]) 15:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Here's how I see it: ] ]（]） 22:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Strange. I suggest trying a different browser, and trying dark mode while logged out. – ] (]) 00:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Any insight in to new accessibility issue affecting screen readers and Vector 2022 and Chrome? ==
I'm wondering if anyone would mind taking a look at ] and see if there's a technical issue with the way this user is signing his posts. I understand there is quite a bit of user error, etc. involved, but I am curious if the editor's settings somehow got accidentally tweaked which is causing his signature not to display properly even when he correctly uses the 4 tilde. Thanks in advance. -- ] (]) 02:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:That use has been indefinitely blocked since 17MAY. The user would have to fix or reset their signature in ] if they return. — ] <sup>]</sup> 03:29, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the response {{u|Xaosflux}}. I understand the user is blocked, but I was just wondering if his problem was more technical or more user error. Also, I didn't know that blocked editors were unable to edit their preferences. Anyway, I'll pass that information along. -- ] (]) 05:42, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::: From what I can see it is purely user error. FWIW, the "default" signature option is to leave the box blank, and not have the checkbox checked. — ] <sup>]</sup> 11:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
See {{section link|Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Accessibility|Search Field More Difficult to Activate with a Screen-reader in Chrome}}. Any replies should probably go there. ] (]) 14:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
== Trying again on tech question ==
== Getting List of All Class B Articles ==
I asked about this on another page (got some helpful info but not quite the clarity I was after)..perhaps there are some very technical types here...FOR EXAMPLE: this very page/function/space I'm on right now must not have existed at some point in time...someone had the idea to create it and it was then created....how was it created? Did, perhaps, editors suggest it be created and then somebody at the Misplaced Pages Foundation had to code it/create it? Or are tech-savvy editors with certain permissions able to create it on their own?? Nobody seemed to exactly know when I posted this question at "idea labs" Thanks..] (]) 14:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Hi IP, perhaps you were looking for the ]? Either way, any editor can edit and create* articles on Misplaced Pages - if you check out ] you can find out how <small>(* unregistered editors (like yourself) ] create new articles outside of ])</small>-- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 14:25, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm not sure you're understanding my question..I'm talking about an entirely new function/space not an article...] (]) 14:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah! You mean (for example) ]? I believe any editor could propose such a creation and, if the idea gained ], create it. -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 14:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Anyone can create it without consensus, it would take consensus for it to stay though. -- ] ] 15:00, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Any logged in editor can create a page in any space including a page similar to this one. It does not take any special permissions other than having a named account. Whether that page will remain or not may require a consensus discussion to take place. If someone believes that the new page is not helpful/does not comply with policy then they can take it to a deletion process. It is usually easier if the discussion takes place before hand rather than building the page and hoping it survives. If you are thinking about a bot to do the task you are talking about elsewhere, that will require approval before it can operate, see ]. -- ] ] 14:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::so this entire village pump space/function can be created by just normal editors and doesn't require anything on the end of the Foundation? what about the log of all blocks, for example..that space/function was and can be created by just anyone and placed into Misplaced Pages? and how sure of all this are you? if others could confirm/add anything...] (]) 14:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::See my response above, but in relation to the ] - these are programmatically generated by the ] software -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 14:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::The entire Village pump are just pages in Misplaced Pages and like any page in Misplaced Pages they can be created by any logged in user. ] are a different matter and that takes coding in the back end and would require the developers to take action. I am very sure of my answer. -- ] ] 14:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::::and if a new/different log was desired what then would be the process?? you're saying normal editors couldn't do it, right?] (]) 14:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Correct - It would be a 'feature request' made on . <small>(shameless plug)</small> helps explain the process -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 14:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Normal editors can not create logs that would show up at ]. Now if you are looking at a log like is at ] anyone can manually create it but if they want a bot to create it, then there is an approval process. -- ] ] 14:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::well it would be similar to that SPI and maintained automatically by a bot I suppose...so wouldn't have to go through phabricator?? but where would I request the page/bot be created?] (]) 15:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You can start at ]. -- ] ] 15:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
so if I wanted a new log related to unblock requests the only process would be to go through this phabricator process, is that correct?] (]) 15:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:It depends on what you want. If you want it to show up as a simple list in ] then yes. If you want it on a page with additional information like the log at ] then no it would not go through phabricator. If this is related to the discussion about the unblock transparency, you probably don't need to go through phabricator. -- ] ] 15:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::Thought I recognised this train of thought - IP, it's likely what you're after could be solved with a bot as {{u|GB fan}} suggests -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 15:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::okay, so it wouldn't require a petition to phabricator, right? the page (log) could be created and then maintained by a bot (and bot only) where would I a. petition someone who knows how to do this...and then b. it would have to be approved..before or after I request it be made??] (]) 15:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::::The bot would have to be approved after it was made, before it started making any edits. If you didn't see it above you can start the bot process at ]. -- ] ] 15:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Okay, I guess that clarifies, thanks.] (]) 15:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:To clarify, the reason that a bot would be used here rather than a feature in Mediawiki (i.e. a phabricator request) is because unblock request (AFAIK) are not a feature of Mediawiki: they are handled basically just by putting the user talk page into ]. Things in ] tend to be special actions, rather than normal edits. — ]<small> (])</small> 15:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::okay, thanks.] (]) 15:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I would like to get a list of urls to all class B articles. I know programming. But from what I could figure out up to now, it seems quite tedious to go to Category:B-Class_articles and do all subcategories in a recursive manner and change targets from talk pages to the actual articles. Is there any easier way to do it?
== Spacing Issues in Infobox ==
Thanks a lot
I am new to template creation and I have a few quirky formatting issues in the ] that I was hoping to get help fixing. On my talk page ] you can see the newest version of the ]. If you look at the first gene "RELIN" you will notice under the "Genetically Related Diseases" section the references (ie ) align to the center instead of the top like the name of the disease. This has something to do with the fact that it can be a collapsible list in this section. You can see it happening again in the "Orthologs" section ("5649" and "19699" are centered). The other issue can be seen in the "endothelin receptor type B" gene box under the "Orthologs">"RefSeq (mRNA)" those ids that are displayed are bolded and it would be nice if they weren't. If you have suggestions how to fix these or where to look I would greatly appreciate the help. Thanks ] (]) 20:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
==MathML glitch==
Display of formulas in ] suddenly came up red though rendering had been successful on Preview. — ] (]) 21:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Yours ] (]) 15:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
; Problems with math display
:Query the database. This is most easily done with ] if you don't already have a toolforge account, or asking at ] if you don't speak SQL. (But don't bother with the latter; it'd probably be me that ends up answering you there anyway, and it's not worth moving this unless it gets long.){{pb}}Do you really mean to get a list of pages in the ] tree? There's about 85 categories named "B-Class ..." that aren't in it, and conversely some that are but likely don't categorize b-class articles such as ]. See ] for a full list of each. —] 16:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi,
::thanks for your response. I think I got a toolforge account. So I will try to quarry the database. The reason why I want to work with such a list is my mediawiki2latex program. I want to run it on all class B articles to try if a PDF is created in every case and fix the cases where it does not happen.
::Yours ] (]) 16:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::This should feasible in ] from ]. ] (]) 20:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Hi,
::::when I click "Launch PetScan", I get
::::"Error
::::This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project"
::::so it seems to be broken ] (]) 09:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi ],
::thanks a lot for you query 90084 example. I am not really used to SQL, but this was a nice opportunity for me to practice SQL. I came up with a modified version of your query, that seems to do what I need ]. I exported it to csv and built a set of the lines, which resulted in 151299 elements, which is the right order of magnitude.
::For my purpose it is good enough, I just need a set of Misplaced Pages articles with not too short content, that I can use as test data for my mediawiki2latex program.
::Thanks a lot for your help. ] (]) 13:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Retrieving multiple property values in one call of Module:wd ==
I'm seeing issues with <nowiki><math> ... </math></nowiki> expressions. Apparently there is a separate server to process these expressions? I'm getting messages such as:
: '''{{red|Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "/mathoid/local/v1/":)}}'''
This isn't on a page I'm editing, just one I'm viewing. (Specific example at this point in time: ] ( to failed version). <font color="green">]</font><font color="green" size="5px"></font><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 21:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I am trying to retrieve multiple property values from wikidata (using Module:wd) in one call but it is ignoring the other properties I give so I only ever get one property value. I must not be giving things in the correct order but none of the Module examples help me. For example, given a mountain name, I want to retrieve the elevation, prominence, mountain range, coordinates and the first ascent significant event. I can get all the values if I code one call per property but how do I code it so I can get all the properties in one call?
:A search on {{search link|"MathML with SVG or PNG fallback"}} finds more examples. A ] has fixed all examples I have tested so it seems the problem is either gone or only affects some servers. ] (]) 22:12, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
So given this:
::This is related to {{phab|T131177}} which changes the default of the maths renderer form the 10 year old PNG renderer to a newer SVG system which uses server side mathjax rendering. It was made the default today. You may need to change your preferences to get things to work right, I had "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback" as my preference and I needed to change things to PNG and back again to get things to work. --] (]): 23:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
P2044 = elevation
P2660 = prominence
P4552 = mountain range
P625 = coordinates
P793 = significant event; Q1194369 = first ascent; P585 = point in time
Steppedoutside,justreturned.Formulasrenderingwellnow.Thankyoueveryone for the information and efforts. — ] (]) 01:50, 1June2016 (UTC)
:I am fairly certain this cannot be done in that module. ] (]) 21:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::The documentation for the "property" command says "Returns the requested property – or list of properties". Yet, I see no example or syntax of how to specify this list of properties. ] (]) 22:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:Still a lot of messed up pages throughout all wikimedia wikis. I'm searching for with 78 errors across all languages.--] (]): 04:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::I did a round of manual purging, so most of these should be fixed now. There was a brief outage related to a Cassandra upgrade not long after the preference switch (which caused a lot of re-renders), which resulted in these errors. Sorry about that. -- ] (]) 15:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
== Incomprehensible error message ==
== Find sources ==
Hi, near the bottom of ] is the giant red error message "Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 604: attempt to concatenate field 'argHash' (a nil value)." Does this mean anything to anybody? And, more importantly, can anyone make it go away? Thank you, ] (]) 19:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Could someone change ] so that the "find sources" external link creates a search query that excludes parenthetical disambiguators.--] (]) 03:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:Discussion at ]. ] (]) 10:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:"Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value). Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value). Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value)." Is it ]? ] ] 20:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
== Visual editor problems ==
:: Whatever has gone wrong is not just related to that - see ] for example, and looks like its broken every navbox at the bottom of articles. It may be related to ].
:I've reverted a recent change to ] that caused the problem. —] (]) 20:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
'''Expected vs observed behavior''': "<small>" should be either in the "Style text" menu or should function as expected when typed (like "<nowiki>{{</nowiki>" or "<nowiki>]</nowiki>"). The current reading is:
::Thanks {{u|Bkell}}! ] ] 21:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
== Wayback Machine not archiving new links? ==
<small><blockquote>You are using the visual editor - wikitext does not work here. To switch to source editing at any time without losing your changes, open the dropdown menu next to "Save page" and select "Switch to source editing?".</blockquote></small>
Obviously this is beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages, but it seems to be impossible to find snapshots of new links that can be archived at the moment. It simply produces an error message such as "Fail with status: 498" or "We're sorry — something's gone wrong. Our team has been notified." This is a nuisance as archiving links via the Wayback Machine is important. Are other people having this problem? '''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 20:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
I propose that it be changed to read:
== Parent categories ==
<small><blockquote>You are using the visual editor — wikitext does not work here. To switch to source editing at any time without losing your changes, tap the "Switch to source editing" button next to the "Save page" button.</blockquote></small>
An editor has ] to the way we display categories in the Category: namespace. The existing system, which looks approximately like this:{{box|]: ], ], etc.|border color=lightgray}}does not seem intuitive. @] figured out ] to something that makes the meaning more obvious:{{box|]: ], ], etc.|border color=lightgray}}''and'' to have this only appear in the Category: namespace (i.e., will not change/screw up any articles).
or:
Could we please get this change implemented here? It would only require copying the contents of ] to ].
<small><blockquote>You are using the visual editor — wikitext does not work here. To switch to source editing at any time without losing your changes, tap the "Switch to source editing" button (reads "<nowiki>]</nowiki>") next to the "Save page" button.</blockquote></small>
::
or something to that effect.
::
::
] (]) 20:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
'''Problem encountered at''': https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wounded_Knee_incident&diff=prev&oldid=723118346 (see the bottom of the diff) (next parenthetical is tangential) <small>(the ''<nowiki><nowiki>''</nowiki></nowiki>'' in the diff is user error attributable to trying to get the "Wiki markup detected" box to show up again so I could read the instructions for using the "Switch to source editing" feature without realizing that it disappears before the offending markup is deleted (I mistakenly assumed that its disappearing indicated that the markup was gone because I had happened to delete my added markup manually at pretty much the same time as the notification disappeared the first time I saw it); I wasn't being particularly attentive so I neglected to notice the continued presence of the ''<nowiki>''</nowiki>'') (if anyone actually understands this tangential, "<small>"-ified wall of text, they probably deserve a fuckin award for language comprehension skills; I bet I'd have gotten lost and/or glazed over way before getting to the end of it)</small>.
:This sort of sounds like it would be an overall general improvement - that is not something special for only the English Misplaced Pages, and for only users with their interface language in en. If so, this should be requested upstream. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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::I think it'd be better to do this locally, where it's been requested. If it seems to be a net improvement, we could always suggest it for widespread use (which would require re-translation of the string for all 300+ languages – not something that can happen quickly). ] (]) 03:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Nonsense redlink ==
'''Browser version''': 48.0a2 (2016-05-31)
] (]) 04:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for the feedback! ] is the best place to make sure it is seen. :) --] (]) 09:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Twice in the past three days, AnomieBOT has created the entirely unpopulated maintenance category {{cl|Articles lacking reliable references from 2025-01-19 from January 2025}}, which has in turn generated a nonsense redlink for {{cl|Monthly clean-up category (Articles lacking reliable references from 2025-01-19) counter}} — but since YYYY-MM-DD is not part of our naming format for either "Articles lacking reliable references" or "monthly clean-up category" maintenance categories, neither of these are categories that should ever exist at those names at all. But when I deleted the referencing category as both nonsense and empty earlier today in order to blow up the monthly clean-up redlink, the bot came along and recreated it again a few hours later even though it's still both nonsense and empty.
== Bottom of VPT is fucked up ==
Could somebody look into this and figure out how to make it stop? I haven't deleted the category again this time, though I have wrapped the template in {{tl|suppress categories}} since the redlinked parent still needed to go away regardless. Thanks. ] (]) 01:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
The last three threads are all showing up on one line. Could someone fix the page? Thanks :) ] (]) 04:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC) <small>(It should be evident from my post contents why I'm posting in the wrong part of the page.)</small>
:Done. ] ]] 04:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::Sweet, thanks {{ping|Writ_Keeper}}. :) (Should I move this to the bottom where it belongs chronologically now?) ] (]) 04:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:::<small>I'm going to bed now so I'm gonna be bold and put this section where I think it goes. If that's a problem, feel free to revert. :) ] (]) 07:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)</small>
:The somewhere to ask about this begins here: ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== ] ==
: AnomieBOT created that because ] existed. ]. ] ] 02:43, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:: More specifically, because ] existed and was in ]. As the latter says, {{tq|A bot, currently ] and formerly ], will monitor the categories in this category and create the necessary monthly subcategories.}} ]] 12:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Bearcat|Xaosflux}} It's not the fault of AnomieBOT. The problem stems from {{diff|2024–25 European windstorm season|1270527703|1270470545|these two edits}} by {{user|En rouge}}, who added more than fifty instances of {{tlx|Irrelevant citation}}, each of which used {{para|date|2025-01-19}} and not {{para|date|January 2025}} as advised by the template doc. They also manually created {{cl|Articles lacking reliable references from 2025-01-19}}, which has since been deleted. --] 🌹 (]) 10:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::Some input validation could help there. — ] <sup>]</sup> 10:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== asterisks ==
Hello, I wonder if anyone can shed any light on why the above article I moved into mainspace on 30 April does not appear in my list of articles created? Two others I moved at the same time did so immediately. It's only a small thing, I know, but it was my 50th article and these tiny milestones are the only rewards we can hope for. :) Thanks. ] (]) 15:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*List item
:I see it in . Where do you not see it? <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 16:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
**Second level list item
***Third level list item if there's a line separating this from the previous list item
::It does not appear when clicking on 'contributions' (top of any page) and then 'articles created' at the bottom of the page. I.e. and then . Thanks. ] (]) 16:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
^^ Why is this the default behavior for multiple asterisks? Does anybody ever actually ''want'' every asterisk to render as an additional dot? Why isn't *** by default just a twice indented bulletpoint, even if not immediately preceded by a once indented bulletpoint? This silliness is why many people wind up starting lines with e.g. :*:::: or :::::*, which if I recall correctly isn't ideal for accessibility. At minimum, given the ubiquity of unordered lists in wiki discussion pages, shouldn't indents be the default behavior (with perhaps some template for anyone with a weird multi-bullet use case)? — <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 03:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Cyberpower678|MusikAnimal}} because I think you're likely to be most useful here (xtools). <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">] · ] · ]</code> 16:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because any ‘lists’ with newlines between them are not actually one united list. See ]. Sadly MediaWiki does not make this ''obvious enough'', if anything, but both are bad for accessibility. Editors should be advised not to insert blank lines between list items, or at least to insert them as blank lines with indentation (<code>*** <blank></code>), as that would generate a hidden empty list item that would unite the markup. ] 04:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
{{outdent|:}} It becomes immediately obvious when using hashes to make an ordered list:
#List item
##Second level list item
###Third level list item if there's a line separating this from the previous list item
== Edit notice not highlighted ==
Notice the lack of an item numbered 2. This is such a long-established feature of the MediaWiki software that it's unlikely to be changed. But you can use CSS to highlight the problematic markup. Here's a quick-and-dirty rule that draws a thick dashed red line in the gap of the first example above: <syntaxhighlight lang=css>ul+ul { border-top: 2px dashed red; }</syntaxhighlight> --] 🌹 (]) 23:43, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:I actually have a user style called ] (in Russian Misplaced Pages) that highlights a bunch of accessibility/markup-related issues like this, including one mentioned here. I mostly advertised it on Discord, though.<br><small>(Recently I’ve been thinking of turning it into a user script that can then provide more refined suggestions, since CSS can have too many false positives if you try to write, for example, a rule specifically for a list containing only another list.)</small><br>— ] 00:33, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
== PetScan down or broken ==
I added a 1RR edit notice to ] but it isn't highlighted and I doubt it will be noticed by many editors. Can this be fixed? Thanks. ] ] 16:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Doug Weller}} It shows for me. What are you expecting to see, but are not? --] (]) 17:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:On ] you could add some styles or colors, see ] for some examples. — ] <sup>]</sup> 17:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. For some reason I expected to see some color. I've fixed it now so it's more obvious. ] ] 18:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, For , when launched, it shows
== Finding contributions of a editor who changed names ==
''Error: This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project.''. Needed to run an hour ago and still fails. Will check again later today. Regards, ] (]) 14:32, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:It's been down for a couple of days. It doesn't appear to have any current documentation as to active maintainers. — ] <sup>]</sup> 15:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
An editor was told at The Teahouse she was required to change her name. Sinebot signed her name with a link to . Fortunately she replied with her new name and I was able to find her with that name. But shouldn't a link to contributions with the old name somehow give us a clue as to how to find contributions with the new name?
::It only accepts bug reports on github, where there is now. Github isn't really good for operational bugs, just software ones... This is another project with a lack of active onwiki volunteers unfortunately. — ] <sup>]</sup> 15:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Only maintainer linked is ], who is still active on wikidata. Similar to the geohack outage (]) above -- needs an operator to possibly work with the cloud team. — ] <sup>]</sup> 15:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@] - Thank you for digging into this issue. PetScan really is a great tool for category filtering of articles. I regularly use to find Unreferenced + Orphan articles combination. For now, "Plan B" is to search thru just the old Unref. articles. Yes, it would be great to find an expert to: 1. Identify what is broken; 2. Fix it. There are some Bots that occasionally fail off & need to be restarted. Cheers, ] (]) 17:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::::: shows that Magnus Manske is the only maintainer. Since this is a very important tool, I think the Wikimedia Cloud team can help restart the web service if Magnus is not available. – ] <small>(])</small> 18:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
: Why Misplaced Pages has no own tools like PetScan? ] (]) 21:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== source editor parameter? ==
She was asking for more help but in the articles she linked to neither name had contributed. And the other article she needed help with had been deleted.— ] • ] • ] • 19:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
: The talk pages redirect because so I don't know what more do you need. The Recordings username has no contributions which I think is because they were moved. The new on has all the edits. It's the same as for ]. -- ] (]) 20:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, perhaps having brain clouds... is there a parameter that can be passed to open a page for immediate editing in the source editor? ] suggests action=submit will do it, but it does not. Thanks, — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Cite journal filler again ==
:What's wrong with <code>action=edit</code> ? --] 🌹 (]) 23:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::For example https://en.wikipedia.org/Art_Building_and_Annex?action=edit that link does not open the page for immediate editing, nor does https://en.wikipedia.org/Art_Building_and_Annex?action=submit ; they both open the page with an interstitial popup asking which editor you would like to use. I'm looking for a solution to bypass that beside having already stored a cookie for it. — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Page top edit counter down ==
Sorry to bring this up again but the cite journal filler is still not working for me--when I try to use it to fill out a template by entering the doi or pmid, in many cases the template doesn't even load at all when I click on the "cite journal" button on the cite tab on the toolbar. I really hope someone knows what I can do to fix this problem permanently. ] ] 20:36, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:I get this too if the doi is invalid, or sometimes it is valid, but it is for a book chapter and not a journal article. It would be good to get feedback if a problem is detected, and what that problem is. ] (]) 23:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Forgot what you call this. But every page on top has a little updated notice on how many views, etc. have been on that page. This is not browser specific, in my case. I have three browsers, and it's the same on all of them. Now I see a little left-hand dot moving back and trying to load the page stats. But it just keeps going back and forth with no results. ] (]) 23:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== ] ==
:Sounds like a user script, or a gadget. It's certainly not a standard feature. --] 🌹 (]) 23:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sounds like the XTools gadget which I have – and now notice isn't working. ] (]) 23:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::XTools gadget isn't maintained here, for help with it see ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Whatever it's called, it is working perfectly now. To the left of it, is a little colored "Assessment" button. I just discovered that if I click on it, it takes me directly to XTools. ] (]) 00:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
== Constantly getting semi-logged out ==
Hi, Not sure if this is a bug or what,<br />
Thanks to ] back in April I added the script from ] to my vector.js and it worked fine ... However today I've noticed it's not working or updating itself ?,<br />
When you install the script the timestamp should basically change automatically (and I recall it had a "+1" next to the time/date) (So for me instead of being 11pm it should say 12pm) ... however it's not changed it ...,<br />
Thanks to BST the script made my life alot more easier here so am rather disappointed it's stopped so hoping somewhere can help, Anyway thanks, –]<sup>]</sup> 23:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
By "semi" I mean I only have to click "log in" to get back in, not fill in my password or anything. But still annoying to have Vector2022 constantly flash onto my screen. This has been happening last three days or so, sometimes as often as every ten minutes. ] (]) 23:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:Why not post at ] instead? ―] ] 00:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
:I've amended the OP's post. Readers should not have to click the 'British Summer Time|BST' link that was provided, in order to find out what 'BST' means. It may be obvious in the UK but it certainly isn't everywhere else. ] (]) 00:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
::Because I'm not sure if it's an actual bug to do with this place or whether it's something minor with the script? .... and that talkpage looks dead anyway. –]<sup>]</sup> 00:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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The following edits and show a different heading (corresponding to the section being edited) in the edit summary than edits (which was made using the convenient discussions tool) and (which was made using the reply tool). When navigating from the history view, clicking on the heading in the edit summary for the first two edits results in a popup saying This topic could not be found. It might have been deleted, moved or renamed. I made my edit using the default wikitext editor. Does anyone know why it would produce an incorrect heading in the edit summary? isaacl (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Sure; just wondering why the behaviour is inconsistent with the reply tool and the default wikitext editor (I would have thought the same code would be used to generate the heading for both use cases, but I guess not). isaacl (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@Isaacl: Your post was confusing because your third link was the same as the second and you didn't clarify what was supposed to be different. The wikitext of the actual heading says Dark mode and {{tl|Yes}} which renders as "Dark mode and {{Yes}}" without tl being displayed. Your second link uses the wikitext with tl in the edit summary and fails to link to the section. Your third link should have been where the edit summary uses the rendering without tl and links correctly to the section #Dark mode and {{Yes}}. Different discussion features apparently use different ways to generate the automatic section edit summary and one of them works better in this case. phab:T69068 from 2014 is about the issue. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Section headings (which doesn't apply to project space) says "For technical reasons, section headings should: ... Not contain template transclusions." PrimeHunter (talk) 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
My apologies for the copy and paste mistake for the links. Yes, obviously the edit summaries and underlying link text are being generated in different ways. I was wondering if it is a visual editor vs default wikitext editor difference, or something else? And if it was fixed for visual editor, was there an issue in following the same approach for the wikitext editor (maybe the fix was just partial, or not sufficiently resilient?). But I'm not asking for anyone to do any deep research on it. If someone knows off the top of their head, it would be nice to know. Thanks for the Phabricator link; it helped provide some context. (I know about the style recommendation for section headings; thanks for the reference.) isaacl (talk) 23:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Basically, this happens because the wikitext editor generates the edit summary directly from the wikitext of the heading, while the visual editor generates it from the parsed HTML of the page. The HTML contains the id attribute needed to make the correct link, but generating the correct link from the wikitext would require parsing it to HTML first, and most of the tools don't bother to do that.
The same applies to other wikitext-based editing tools and other HTML-based editing tools. There are more tasks in Phabricator about this, T234982 is a good summary and has even more links.
The only wikitext-based tool I know that does this better is DiscussionTools's new topic tool's wikitext mode, where we solved it as a side-effect of T338390 – we needed to parse the HTML for some other reasons, and once that was implemented, adding a bit of code to read the id attribute out of it was easy. In principle the same approach could be used in other editors, but it is tricky to get the data from point A to point B, especially without affecting performance, and no one has put in the effort to do it yet. Matma Rextalk23:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Is it just me or is File:Misplaced Pages page mover.svg somewhat broken? I'm getting "Sorry, the file cannot be displayed There seems to be a technical issue. You can retry if it persists. Error: could not load image from https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/1024px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png" when clicking the image on Misplaced Pages:Page mover. I have tried on Firefox, Chrome, Edge, iOS Safari with or without safemode, all yield the same results. However, clicking the original file doesn't generate the same error. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝)13:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
We currently have a gadget that makes disambiguation links orange, which makes correcting said links much easier. Would it be feasible to create something similar for redlinks to articles that have previously been deleted? For instance, let's say I'm writing an article on an academic named Joe Bloggs, who published a significant work cowritten by Joe Public. I believe Joe Public is notable, but he does not currently have a Misplaced Pages article, so I create a redlink. However, I failed to check the page's deletion log (!!), which shows that an article on Joe Public did once exist, but it was deleted after its subject was found to lack sufficient independent coverage. Now imagine if I had a gadget that made that redlink purple (or pink, or maroon, or black; I'm not picky), so I would know at a glance to not bother to create a link for a person who has already been determined to not meet notability criteria. It would also make it easier to spot and correct such links while looking through other articles. Much like with the existing gadget I mentioned, this is, of course, still a process that can be done manually, but a gadget would make it much more efficient. Anonymous19:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
@An anonymous username, not my real name: MediaWiki adds the class mw-disambig to links to disambiguation pages like St. Mary's Church. This means the gadget only has to say links with that class should be orange. The entire code of the gadget is one line in MediaWiki:Gadget-DisambiguationLinks.css and it's client-side with no impact on the servers. MediaWiki does not add a class to red links with a deletion log like Corruption in Wales. A gadget would have to make an API call to the servers for each red link on a page to check for deletion logs. I don't think that's worth the server load even if somebody would make the non-trivial code. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The script, as noted, only has to hit the servers for redlinks. More broadly Don't worry about performance, that's the server admins' job. If it became a problem they would alert us. There is also a lot of caching in user agents as well as the WMF servers, and this is only doing reads so it hits the caches. --Slowking Man (talk) 01:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't know that I'd implement such a request. Most of what linkclassifier does is based on categories (a little is based on page props). To do this, it'd have to query the logs for each page, which is a whole different thing. Anomie⚔15:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Just because a page has previously been deleted, you can't assume that the article you were going to create would fail our notability criteria. Notability is far from the only deletion criteria, and especially if you are creating articles on people, you can't always assume that the person you were going to write about is the same person as the adolescent pro skateboarder whose article was deleted fifteen years ago. They may just have the same name. That said, some sort of colour coding or pop up that alerted you to there being a previous article of that name and the reason and recency of deletion might be helpful. New page patrol has a recently deleted colour which usually indicates that someone is repeatedly trying to create a particular article. ϢereSpielChequers06:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Do certain configuration templates need to be in the first n bytes of a page?
I have a vague recollection that certain templates need to be in the first n bytes of a page? I'm thinking of templates like these:
Moving configs somewhere else which CS1 relies on is likely to have a non-zero increase on the Lua execution time associated with a page. (These metadata are incidentally good candidates to move to something like mediawikiwiki:MCR since they definitely don't need to participate in transclusion and are otherwise pretty simple settings.)
Title templates are there because they modify the title though you could theoretically move them.
Archiving template is there because it would otherwise get lost by archiving of threads + addition of new threads. Izno (talk) 20:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
AFAIK the only one that is position-critical is {{User:MiszaBot/config}}, which must be before the first section heading (of any level), i.e. in the lead section. This is to guard against it being accidentally moved to an archive, which might happen if it were placed inside a section (or subsection) which became archived. It's possible that {{CS1 config}} might need to be before the first WP:CS1/WP:CS2 template, but not if the relevant JavaScript function(s) has been written carefully. The others are definitely position-independent, but do have conventional positions, summarised at WP:LEADORDER. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration reads article wikitext looking for {{CS1 config}}, {{use dmy dates}}, and {{use mdy dates}} (and any of their redirects). Of course, the earlier these appear in the wiki text, the less work the module needs to do. But, if none of them appear in the wikitext, the module still must scan all of the wikitext to be sure that none of them exist so placement really doesn't matter. Scanning for the {{use xxx dates}} could be made faster by eliminating some of the several redirects but that suggestion has already been dismissed dismissed (permalink).
I've enabled the gadget that pops up a micro-summary of an article whenever I mouse over a link to it. Unfortunately, it's not working properly with redirects. For example, if visit Serial comma#Mainly British style guides opposing typical use, I'm given the following text: I dedicate this book to my parents, Martin Amis, and JK Rowling. If I mouse over the first link, I get a picture of Amis and this text:
Sir Martin Louis Amis (25 August 1949 – 19 May 2023) was an English novelist, essayist, memoirist, screenwriter and critic. He is best known for his novels Money (1984) and London Fields (1989). He received the James Tait Black Memorial Prize for his memoir Experience and was twice listed for the Booker Prize (shortlisted in 1991 for Time's Arrow and longlisted in 2003 for Yellow Dog).
However, if I mouse over the second link, I get this text:
JK Rowling ⋅ actions ⋅ popups Redirects to J. K. Rowling ⋅ actions
Is there a way to change this, so that the popup shows the target of the redirect (as if the link went to the target), rather than the redirect itself? I can't imagine a reason why we should care whether it's an article or a redirect. The documentation suggests that identifying pages as redirects helps people fix them, but You probably don't want to "fix" such links every time you come across them, and WP:NOTBROKEN actively prohibits changing those redirects without some alternate reason, e.g. it's fine to replace "JK Rowling" with "J. K. Rowling" if we want the full stops and space to appear in the article, but not good to edit the article just to change ] to ]. If there are any legitimate uses for distinguishing redirects from articles with this tool, that's different, but as far as I can see, it merely gets in the way of using this tool. Nyttend (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
@Nyttend: The first time I hover over a redirect like JK Rowling after loading or reloading a page, I see text from the target below the text you quoted. If I come back to hover over the same link, I only see what you quoted. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi, Good day. I am having trouble loading Huggle as no list of articles/edits is shown on it. Below are the system logs.
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 Failure of feed provider XMLRCS on enwiki, trying to find some alternative provider
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 ERROR: XmlRcs failed: redis is empty for 10 seconds
Kindly advise me on what I can do or point me to the right editor/talk page for help. (I didn't go to the Huggle talk page for this issue, as the talk page is not very active and, at times, no one replies to messages. Thank you. Cassiopeiatalk02:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi, Good day. I am having trouble loading Huggle as no list of articles/edits is shown. Below are the system logs.
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 Failure of feed provider XMLRCS on enwiki, trying to find some alternative provider
Mon Jan 20 13:09:53 2025 ERROR: XmlRcs failed: redis is empty for 10 seconds
Kindly advise me on what I can do or point me to the right editor/talk page for help. (I didn't go to the Huggle talk page for this issue, as the talk page is not very active and, at times, no one replies to messages. Thank you. Cassiopeiatalk02:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Frost Thank you for your reply. No, I have never have this issue and this is the first time after using Huggle for many years. How do I set to IRC or Wiki as provider? (note: I am not technical). Thank you. Cassiopeiatalk02:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
On January 17 I uploaded the image LMC SMC Bab al Mandab.png, which shows the present (2025) position of the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds over the southern horizon. I have now created an accompanying image, LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_900.png, which shows the same thing as seen in the year 900. If possible, please rename the first image LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_2025.png.
If this is not the proper page for such a request, please advise. AstroOgier (talk) 09:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
@AstroOgier: You uploaded this file to Wikimedia Commons so you will need to request a rename there. You can read Commons:File renaming for guidance on how to rename a file. To rename this file, you can simply add the {{Rename|File:LMC SMC Bab al Mandab_2025.png|1|reason=your reason here}} template to the file description on the file page. Please don't forget to add your reason in the reason parameter. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
When the links in the table showing the stubs, A class B class etc. are clicked on, it just goes to a blank-ish page. I suspect that there is something to do with the slash it the name, but I hope someone knows a solution. APenguinThatIsSilly("talk") 18:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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I'm tracking a LTA account who frequently IP hops within the same session eg. they might switch IP 6 or 7 times within 30 minutes. However they appear to be limited to certain A or B classes which in theory makes tracking possible. But in practice anything bigger than a C is hard. For example class C Special:Contributions/5.90.7.* is doable but class B Special:Contributions/5.90.* is not, and certainly not class A 5.* .. (I have "JavaScript-enhanced contributions lookup 0.2 enabled", your results may look different from mine.)
Question: is there a tool to filter Class A or Class B based on time frame eg. show all edits within this Class A between 10:40 and 12:40 on Jan 20 on Enwiki. -- GreenC15:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
I've long thought that the CIDR gadget is pretty much deprecated since the functionality was built in to the contributions page (there are probably still a couple of niche uses, but not many). The contributions page allows you to filter by range and date... For this /16 range the link looks like (there are no contributions on the 20th and it won't filter by exact time). Won't that suffice? -- zzuuzz15:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks John. Start is end. End is start. The docs mention this but somewhat confusingly. The default is |ucdir=older, which requires ucstart to be higher than ucend. The original will work with |ucdir=newer enabled: .. probably |ucdir=newer should be the default because counting backwards is.. backwards. -- GreenC01:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Some table classes yet to be adapted for Dark Mode
An example can be found at Javanese script, where each cell features a white background with invisible transliteration:
Some Javanese letters and their Balinese equivalents
haꦲ
naꦤ
caꦕ
raꦫ
kaꦏ
aꦄ
āꦄ
iꦆ
īꦇ
uꦈ
ūꦈꦴ
ᬳ
ᬦ
ᬘ
ᬭ
ᬓ
ᬅ
ᬆ
ᬇ
ᬈ
ᬉ
ᬊ
Does this imply that all classes labeled letters-* haven't been updated for Dark Mode yet?
I would like to get a list of urls to all class B articles. I know programming. But from what I could figure out up to now, it seems quite tedious to go to Category:B-Class_articles and do all subcategories in a recursive manner and change targets from talk pages to the actual articles. Is there any easier way to do it?
thanks for your response. I think I got a toolforge account. So I will try to quarry the database. The reason why I want to work with such a list is my mediawiki2latex program. I want to run it on all class B articles to try if a PDF is created in every case and fix the cases where it does not happen.
thanks a lot for you query 90084 example. I am not really used to SQL, but this was a nice opportunity for me to practice SQL. I came up with a modified version of your query, that seems to do what I need quarry:query/90125. I exported it to csv and built a set of the lines, which resulted in 151299 elements, which is the right order of magnitude.
For my purpose it is good enough, I just need a set of Misplaced Pages articles with not too short content, that I can use as test data for my mediawiki2latex program.
Retrieving multiple property values in one call of Module:wd
I am trying to retrieve multiple property values from wikidata (using Module:wd) in one call but it is ignoring the other properties I give so I only ever get one property value. I must not be giving things in the correct order but none of the Module examples help me. For example, given a mountain name, I want to retrieve the elevation, prominence, mountain range, coordinates and the first ascent significant event. I can get all the values if I code one call per property but how do I code it so I can get all the properties in one call?
So given this:
P2044 = elevation
P2660 = prominence
P4552 = mountain range
P625 = coordinates
P793 = significant event; Q1194369 = first ascent; P585 = point in time
how do I get all the property values in one call?
{{#invoke:wd|property|P2044|P2660|P4552|P625|property|qualifier|P793|Q1194369|P585|page=Mount Robson}} RedWolf (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
The documentation for the "property" command says "Returns the requested property – or list of properties". Yet, I see no example or syntax of how to specify this list of properties. RedWolf (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Incomprehensible error message
Hi, near the bottom of Anglo-German Fellowship is the giant red error message "Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 604: attempt to concatenate field 'argHash' (a nil value)." Does this mean anything to anybody? And, more importantly, can anyone make it go away? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 19:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
"Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value). Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value). Lua error in Module:Navbox at line 535: attempt to get length of local 'arg' (a number value)." Is it WP:THURSDAY? Hawkeye7(discuss)20:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Obviously this is beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages, but it seems to be impossible to find snapshots of new links that can be archived at the moment. It simply produces an error message such as "Fail with status: 498" or "We're sorry — something's gone wrong. Our team has been notified." This is a nuisance as archiving links via the Wayback Machine is important. Are other people having this problem? ♦IanMacM♦20:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Parent categories
An editor has requested a change to the way we display categories in the Category: namespace. The existing system, which looks approximately like this:
This sort of sounds like it would be an overall general improvement - that is not something special for only the English Misplaced Pages, and for only users with their interface language in en. If so, this should be requested upstream. — xaosflux01:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
I think it'd be better to do this locally, where it's been requested. If it seems to be a net improvement, we could always suggest it for widespread use (which would require re-translation of the string for all 300+ languages – not something that can happen quickly). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Nonsense redlink
Twice in the past three days, AnomieBOT has created the entirely unpopulated maintenance category Category:Articles lacking reliable references from 2025-01-19 from January 2025, which has in turn generated a nonsense redlink for Category:Monthly clean-up category (Articles lacking reliable references from 2025-01-19) counter — but since YYYY-MM-DD is not part of our naming format for either "Articles lacking reliable references" or "monthly clean-up category" maintenance categories, neither of these are categories that should ever exist at those names at all. But when I deleted the referencing category as both nonsense and empty earlier today in order to blow up the monthly clean-up redlink, the bot came along and recreated it again a few hours later even though it's still both nonsense and empty.
Could somebody look into this and figure out how to make it stop? I haven't deleted the category again this time, though I have wrapped the template in {{suppress categories}} since the redlinked parent still needed to go away regardless. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 01:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Third level list item if there's a line separating this from the previous list item
^^ Why is this the default behavior for multiple asterisks? Does anybody ever actually want every asterisk to render as an additional dot? Why isn't *** by default just a twice indented bulletpoint, even if not immediately preceded by a once indented bulletpoint? This silliness is why many people wind up starting lines with e.g. :*:::: or :::::*, which if I recall correctly isn't ideal for accessibility. At minimum, given the ubiquity of unordered lists in wiki discussion pages, shouldn't indents be the default behavior (with perhaps some template for anyone with a weird multi-bullet use case)? — Rhododendrites \\ 03:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Because any ‘lists’ with newlines between them are not actually one united list. See MOS:LISTBREAK. Sadly MediaWiki does not make this obvious enough, if anything, but both are bad for accessibility. Editors should be advised not to insert blank lines between list items, or at least to insert them as blank lines with indentation (*** <blank>), as that would generate a hidden empty list item that would unite the markup. stjn04:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
It becomes immediately obvious when using hashes to make an ordered list:
List item
Second level list item
Third level list item if there's a line separating this from the previous list item
Notice the lack of an item numbered 2. This is such a long-established feature of the MediaWiki software that it's unlikely to be changed. But you can use CSS to highlight the problematic markup. Here's a quick-and-dirty rule that draws a thick dashed red line in the gap of the first example above:
I actually have a user style called user:stjn/linter.css (in Russian Misplaced Pages) that highlights a bunch of accessibility/markup-related issues like this, including one mentioned here. I mostly advertised it on Discord, though. (Recently I’ve been thinking of turning it into a user script that can then provide more refined suggestions, since CSS can have too many false positives if you try to write, for example, a rule specifically for a list containing only another list.) — stjn00:33, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
PetScan down or broken
Hi, For PetScan, when launched, it shows
Error: This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project.. Needed to run an hour ago and still fails. Will check again later today. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:32, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
It's been down for a couple of days. It doesn't appear to have any current documentation as to active maintainers. — xaosflux15:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
It only accepts bug reports on github, where there is bug 187 open now. Github isn't really good for operational bugs, just software ones... This is another project with a lack of active onwiki volunteers unfortunately. — xaosflux15:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
@Xaosflux - Thank you for digging into this issue. PetScan really is a great tool for category filtering of articles. I regularly use to find Unreferenced + Orphan articles combination. For now, "Plan B" is to search thru just the old Unref. articles. Yes, it would be great to find an expert to: 1. Identify what is broken; 2. Fix it. There are some Bots that occasionally fail off & need to be restarted. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
LDAP shows that Magnus Manske is the only maintainer. Since this is a very important tool, I think the Wikimedia Cloud team can help restart the web service if Magnus is not available. – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Forgot what you call this. But every page on top has a little updated notice on how many views, etc. have been on that page. This is not browser specific, in my case. I have three browsers, and it's the same on all of them. Now I see a little left-hand dot moving back and trying to load the page stats. But it just keeps going back and forth with no results. — Maile (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Whatever it's called, it is working perfectly now. To the left of it, is a little colored "Assessment" button. I just discovered that if I click on it, it takes me directly to XTools. — Maile (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
Constantly getting semi-logged out
By "semi" I mean I only have to click "log in" to get back in, not fill in my password or anything. But still annoying to have Vector2022 constantly flash onto my screen. This has been happening last three days or so, sometimes as often as every ten minutes. Cremastra (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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