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== A TARDIS for you == | |||
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | A rouge TARDIS (or the closest thing I could find on Commons), for having made a closure so ] that its effects travelled through time and were being challenged you even issued it.<br/>. . .<br/>But to be serious, I appreciate that you undertook to close, and closed so thoughtfully, such a large and complex discussion even as it was getting international attention and pushback. Someone had to do it; the discussion was open for so long as to suggest no-one ''wanted'' to do it; I appreciate you doing it. ] (]) 16:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:{{yo|-sche|CommunityNotesContributor|Chetsford|starship.paint}} Thank you for the kind words, I'm just glad the discussion is finished and we can move on (at least until the next challenge). I'm sure co-closers {{u|Tamzin}} and {{u|Theleekycauldron}} feel the same way. If you've got any recommendations for something more fun to read than that RFC (admittedly not a high bar) I could use a palate cleanser. Otherwise I think I'll pick up ] again. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
::''The Hobbit'' sounds like a great palate cleanser! I was reading his ''Sea-Bell'' the other day and learning about the neat words Tolkien coined or resurrected in that and other writings (which might interest you, as a wordsmith, if you don't know them already), like '']'' and '']''. :o ] (]) 21:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
::You are welcome, the Wordsmith.... '']''. ''']] (])''' 01:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Thanks, I just bought it for my Kindle. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 00:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::{{yo|Starship.paint}} Thanks for the recommendation, it made excellent beach/pool-side reading. I haven't finished it yet, but I hope to sometime this weekend. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::You’re welcome! Interesting to have ‘horror’ story reading at the beach! ''']] (])''' 05:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::''Amaze'' <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Question == | |||
Hey, I have a special interest in improving articles with the 'written with advertisement like language' tag, or similar tags, especially corporate articles written in business talk instead of encyclopedic language. Do you know how I can find a list of such articles, or if there is a wikiproject focused on that? ''']'''] 23:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:{{tps}} As far as I'm aware, there isn't a WikiProject dedicated to that specifically, but ] sounds like what you're looking for. There's 22,000 articles in the category so you shouldn't have a lack of things to do. ] ] 00:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks! Maybe I'll make a wikiproject eventually ;) ''']'''] 19:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Just to clarify, there is ] that might be of interest though it doesn't focus specifically on promotional articles. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 19:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:That sounds like a great idea, and Clovermoss is right about that category. Fixing promotional articles is a great way to dive in and make a difference. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== policy question == | |||
* That the core principles of the policy on biographies of living people—in particular, neutrality and verifiability—have been set forth by the Wikimedia Foundation as a mandate for all projects; | |||
Hey wordsmith. Hope all is well. I have a question relating to a case I'm involved in. Can a topic ban ever be justified because of a perceived lack of experience and/or policy knowledge? Per ARBPIA, an editor must be EC to edit in certain topics, however, is it up to an admin to determine, even after an editor reached EC, whether that editor has enough experience to be able to edit in that topic? <span style="background:#636363;border:solid#636363 1x;border-radius:15px;">''']''']</span> 21:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
* That the policy on biographies of living people, and this Committee's ruling in the Badlydrawnjeff case, call for the removal of poorly sourced and controversial content, and places the burden of demonstrating compliance on those who wish to see the content included; | |||
:I've just gotten back from a vacation, but it seems like this issue was hashed out elsewhere. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
* That unsourced biographies of living people may contain seemingly innocuous statements which are actually damaging, but there is no way to determine whether they do without providing sources; | |||
== Sockpuppetry == | |||
* That Misplaced Pages, through the founding principle of "Ignore All Rules", has traditionally given administrators wide discretion to enforce policies and principles using their own best judgment; and | |||
Hi, about this SPI case you handled: ]. You had temp blocked 2407:D000:F:0:0:0:0:0/48, 92.40.0.0/16 (?) but these still appear to be quite active with the sock network and disrupting quite a lot of pages. Can the block be extended here again? | |||
* That administrators have been instructed to aggressively enforce the policy on biographies of living people. | |||
Thanks ] (]) 13:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Can you share a few examples of the disruptive edits from this range after the block expired? I'll check to see if there would be any collateral damage, too. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 15:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
The Committee has determined that: | |||
::Well here is the (needs PP for socking), mere hours after a previous IP sock was reverted. Others that I recently reverted include , , , , , , , . are from the sock network.] | |||
::From the range, these include: , , , . The 'census update' edits from the range are also likely the same sock. ] (]) 07:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::I'm not seeing much risk in blocking the IPv6 range for a longer time, so I'll softblock that one. For the IPv4, it looks like there would be a ton of collateral damage there so it would be a bad idea to block the whole thing. What I can do instead is break it into smaller ranges that exclude most of the legitimate edits, I can do ] and ]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 15:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Question regarding SPI == | |||
Hi, I see that you've noted that sockpuppetry was a strong possibility in the recent report of AraxesTheThief, but without technical evidence (as CU was declined), you can't be confident to place a block. Can I rerequest CU on that basis, as declining it may potentially let long-term sockpuppetry pass, which you've noted as a strong possibility? ] (]) 06:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
* The deletions carried out by Rdm2376, Scott MacDonald, and various other administrators are a reasonable exercise of administrative discretion to enforce the policy on biographies of living people. | |||
:Unfortunately that's not possible. All the known socks are already stale, so the Checkuser tool won't be able to provide any evidence which is why they already declined it. If there's future sock-like activity from that account or others, a new SPI can be opened and the new behavioral evidence can be evaluated as well. Or if their edits are disruptive, that can be handled through the normal channels. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 13:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
* The administrators who carried out these actions are commended for their efforts to enforce policy and uphold the quality of the encyclopedia, but are urged to conduct future activities in a less chaotic manner. | |||
::Oh okay. We'll have to wait and see then. Thank you for the explanation. It wasn't clear to me that CU wouldn't be useful either way. Wish you a great Friyay. ] (]) 13:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Sadly the Checkuser tool is more limited than a lot of people think it is. Unless there's another account to compare it to that's edited en.wiki in the last 90 days, the tool is unlikely to show anything except maybe sleepers. After 90 days, IP data for logged-in accounts is generally discarded by WMF policy. For those, behavioral evidence is all we have to go on and we need to be confident in our findings to avoid blocking an innocent editor. Sometimes that unfortunately will result in illegitimate users avoiding blocks, but in my experience they often slip up and give us enough evidence to block sooner or later. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 15:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Wisdom-inc == | |||
* The administrators who interfered with these actions are reminded that the enforcement of the policy on biographies of living people takes precedence over mere procedural concerns. | |||
Thanks for closing the Wisdom-inc SPI. He is still active today on one of the reported IP ranges - ] ] (]) 21:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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==Thomas Hope== | |||
I am happy to see you changed ] into US. A foolish mistake by a nitwit.] (]) 05:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Perhaps you can change ''born in 1704'' very childish.] (]) 05:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Also the category ''1799 deaths'' is a mistake.] (]) 06:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I have no idea what this is about. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 20:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
Sorry, it is about ].] (]) 08:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Oh, that was reverting a sockpuppet who was adding inaccuracies into articles (especially around estimated dates of birth/death). If you're willing to take responsibility for the edits, you're welcome to make the changes again. Though since Henry Hope's son (also named Henry Hope) was born in Massachusetts, it seems like him moving to the US is correct. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Massive disruption== | |||
Hi, can you have a look at these IP ranges? I think they belong to ] as they originated from the same geographical location(Pakistan) and have an obsession with manipulating the result of a page move discussion on ] just like the last range that you blocked. | |||
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*] <span style="font-family:'forte'">] <b>(])</b></span> 03:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
*Also if possible, can you please semi protect the ] too? <span style="font-family:'forte'">] <b>(])</b></span> 03:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:I've applied semiprotection to the talkpage. Those IP edits are probably Anujror or a similar sock drawer, but they seem to be one-offs. Blocking them would probably not have any effect as he's probably already moved on, and it looks like there are a bunch of legitimate users on those ranges. Protection is usually the better option in cases like this. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 00:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== CaseofGoliath SPI == | |||
Hi The Wordsmith, did you review the evidence I sent to the en-paid queue regarding Elianaisaac? Link ]. ] (]) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:I don't have access to that queue, but whoever does is free to take action independently of SPI if they determine it is warranted. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 17:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::Ok. I wasn't sure if you had access of not. Because it was an open SPI with a CU request, I ''think'' they left it up to the CU to review (got a standard response a couple weeks ago before the check) but I will double check. I will be opening up a new one for new socks I found anyway but was waiting until the weekend in case I came across others and might include Elianaisaac again depending on the response I get. Thanks for all the work you do, The Wordsmith. ] (]) 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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CU is positive and so is behavioral evidence. Hope you can block as soon as possible. ] (]) 02:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
Hello, I'm not sure if you remember but you were the admin who ] the ] article. There is an editor on the alt-right article who insists on having an in-article description of a media outlet when it is already wikilinked, so I was wondering if you could give an opinion on this or if there's a manual of style with this type of thing? | |||
:Unfortunately SPI is extremely backlogged at the moment. Somebody will get to it as quickly as we can, but if there's vandalism or urgent disruption then the normal venues like ] are also available and usually have a faster response time. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 04:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
The dispute is about having:<br> | |||
"Benjamin Welton, writing for the neoconservative opinion magazine ]..."<br> | |||
instead of just:<br> | |||
"Benjamin Welton, writing for ]..." | |||
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It seems to me that the wikilink exists to provide that type of information where it's relevant, but there's an ''editor consensus'' supporting the inclusion of the description as The Weekly Standard is supposedly an unknown outlet and needs to be described. Sorry if this is irrelevant here but I thought I'd ask. ] (]) 15:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
] from the past month (August 2024). | |||
:I do remember that AFD,and have followed that discussion. While I agree with you that describing the outlet is unnecessary and likely an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of it as a source, an administrator cannot override editor consensus outside of a few very specific exceptions. Further, I do participate in content discussions in this topic area, so even if I were inclined to do so I'm recused from acting as an administrator on that article due to ]. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 16:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::Thanks for the response. Do you know of any alternate courses? I was recommended to start a RfC in another case where editor consensus (made up of the same few editors) went against me over something similar to this but doing that seems like it would set a precedent of having to create a RfC every time there's a disagreement between me and this band of editors, so I opted against it. ] (]) 16:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::An RFC is always a good choice; if published in the right places it can get a wide variety of editor input. For smaller-scale solutions, ] or informal mediation might be better <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 16:32, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::::Alright, thanks for the response and the advice. Have a good weekend. ] (]) 16:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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Hi! Anybody can add options to an RFC, yeah? ] (]) 21:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:] suggests that it is proper and even encouraged to "add an alternative unbiased statement immediately below the RfC question template", so I don't see any reason it wouldn't be allowed as long as it is free from disruption, POINT and the usual pitfalls. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 21:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:{{ping|PeterTheFourth}} Please note that I specifically said that additional proposals are welcome if they are '''not''' ]y. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 22:03, 8 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::The wording of the RFC was "The current lede to the Gamergate controversy article is frequently criticised as being rambling and overly long. I therefore propose that we replace it with the following in the interest of clarity." - it makes no mention of a second option and was not intended as multiple choice. The proposed lede was in a seperate section in order not to make the RFC question overlong - NOT to allow other editors to mess around with it however they like. I am disappointed that you have opened the way to this behaviour. ] (]) 00:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::You own neither the article, the talk page, nor the RfC. If you are disappointed by others contributing, I imagine you experience a lot of disappointment on this website. ] (]) 00:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::: A cynic might see this section as an intentional effort to grow a list of diffs showing "escalating personal conflict" with The Wordsmith, rendering his administration of GG ]. Violating ] and ] in a topic covered by DS would be a risky move! Lucky there are no cynics here. ] (]) 00:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::::The Wordsmith has far more to worry about from scientologists than from nerds like me. ] (]) 00:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::::::This seems to get more silly with each passing comment. Can we put this one to bed? I think we all have more productive things to do (though I'd be lying if I said I didn't giggle a tiny bit when I saw your "proposal". <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 02:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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I'd like to be clear in my understanding to avoid similar mistakes. Scope is limited to ''content'' that addresses Gamergate, the people involved or gender-related controversies rather than ''articles'' that address Gamergate, the people involved or gender-related controversies - is that how you're interpreting it? If so: noted. And solely for the purposes of understanding, would ] meet your definition of a GG topic ban violation? ] (]) 20:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:Its a very fine line. Articles that are related to Gamergate or gender controversies do count, but I see "related" as more than just a casual namedrop. That sentence from the Alt-right article really doesn't belong there anyway, it seems very out of place as a passing mention unconnected to anything. To me, it isn't enough to make the entire article off-limits. As to your diff, that's ''very'' close to the line. A credible argument could be made that it is a violation, but I wouldn't say that conclusively without input from other editors and uninvolved admins. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 21:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:: Alright, now I'm clear, thank you. I actually support this extremely narrow interpretation, it seems to minimize disruption. As I understand it, for as long as Gamaliel policed the area he made the argument that a broad interpretation was necessary to minimize disruption. As long as it's consistent I can't object. I'm not qualified to edit the article yet but in preparation: is there any procedural protection from admins who might interpret the scope more broadly, i.e. a reversion to Gamaliel's interpretation? ] (]) 21:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::The basic "protection" from overzealous admins is that this topic area is controversial enough that admins aren't going to act unilaterally in anything but the most obvious of cases. Enough rouge admins have gotten stomped on here that where there's room for debate, we're likely to discuss things at ] before jumping to action. I won't comment specifically on Gamaliel's style, except to say that the participants in this topic area were very different from now and I don't see a return to overzealousness being likely. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 21:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
Hello; given you closed the sockpuppet case I had opened , for future reference, what is the threshold of evidence needed to support a finding of IP addresses being used as sockpuppets? The timing and nature of the IPs' actions seemed quite suspicious to me, even though there weren't many instances to point to. | |||
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:::: Reasonable. "rouge admins", ha, clever.] (]) 21:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:One other thing that filers don't often ask themselves before opening a case is "What is actually being gained by sockpuppetry here?" In this case, it was two minor rephrasings of a small amount of text, switching from a paraphrase to a quote. It doesn't seem controversial at all, especially in comparison to many of the other contested edits on that page. The IP also has a history of edits, which doesn't have any real overlap with Superb Owl. If he had (for example) been warned for edit warring or approached ] before the IP started editing, that would be much stronger evidence. As it stands, the more likely explanation is that two people have a similar opinion on how that information should be presented. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">]</span><sup><span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>'']''</small></span></sup> 22:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
*Hey. Uninvolved editor/admin here. Why would be a GamerGate violation, or even close to one? Thanks, ] (]) 01:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Got it; appreciate the explanation. My rationale at the time was: I had thought the pattern of both IPs (cosmetic edits on random articles, but substantive edits seemingly only on the Electoral fraud or similarly politically charged articles) could be an obfuscation attempt. And I thought they would have something to gain from these edits, as we have devoted a lot of time to disputing phrasing in the article where differences seem relatively minor. ] 13:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:*My reading of the edit is that the book is about "an extensive discussion of Sanger’s feminism and its impact", which could arguably fall under the "gender-related dispute or controversy" or people related to it section of the GG topic ban. I'm not saying that it does violate the ban, since I tend to construe things like that less broadly than other admins, but the argument could be made. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 04:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
Hi, could you please review on my recent ]? If you don't have the time to do so, could you at least check whether the report was correctly opened? I'm a bit worried because I messed up the previous one, which was malformed and not properly opened. Thank you. ] (]) 07:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I don't have time to fully review the case right now, but it looks like it was opened properly. For the previous one, it was missing the {{tl|SPI case status}} template. That template automatically adds it to the categories that put it on the SPI dashboards. | |||
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Hello Wordsmith, regarding the deletion at ], what was the argument that tipped you in favour of deletion? The last comment did say {{tqq|If SRAM Corporation#Hammerhead exists it remains a reasonable target,..}} and it does exist. The only delete vote was based on the nom which was about a gaming company and a different target.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">]</span><span style="font-size:115%">]</span> 05:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:Thanks. I did read that argument and take it into account. I'll have to give it another readthrough to see if anything changes without that input, but I don't think losing that one !vote would push it into delete territory. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 15:57, 24 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:After giving it a second read, the close was still the right decision. Nothing that I'm going to overturn. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 14:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I was a bit concerned about this as well. Both the keep and delete arguments were interesting (with a numerical majority of deletes). I'm a bit interested to know why is this a "clear" keep (instead of a "delete" or "no consensus"). --] (]) 09:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::When closing, I checked the sources for myself and saw they were clearly strong enough to meet GNG. The promotional language had been removed, and the multiple awards in multiple years weakens the BLP1E argument. Those 3 reasons were the only significant ones given for deletion, and with the changes made to the article those arguments were significantly weaker. I didn't count the !votes numerically, I went by the strength of the arguments made. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 11:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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Hello TW. You recently issued a three-month-block to a short IP range that was associated with the activity of sockmaster {{noping|ByzantineIsNotRoman}} in the page ] (]). However, they appear to be ] in order to circumvent their block. Check the similar geolocation of ], and compare ] and ] by sockpuppet {{noping|Aliy Dawut}}; likewise, check ], and notice that they tried to justify the "5.5 million" death toll estimate in the infobox (]), similar to what was presented in the aforementioned SPI case. This type of activity renders IP blocks and range blocks ineffective. Do you have any suggestion(s) on how to combat this? Maybe some type of ] for that particular page? ] (]) 13:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
So I just noticed that {{u|MarkBernstein}} violated his topic ban involving GamerGate again back at the end of August with on ]. Not sure if you noticed it yet so just a heads up. ] 00:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:{{replyto|GamerPro64}} Just FYI, people are fine editing articles which merely mention a topic they are banned for, as long as their edit is unrelated to the topic they are banned from. I think this is the case here. ] (]) 00:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Actually, if you look at the talk page of 8chan, its part of the discretionary sanctions with the GamerGate case. So that's still a violation of his topic ban. ] 01:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::No I wasn't aware of that edit, thank you. On the surface it does appear to be a clear violation of the part of his ban covering "editing any page relating to, (a) Gamergate...". Although the edit itself was not GG-related, the article contains significant discussion of Gamergate both in the lede and a subsection dedicated to it, has the Gamergate navbox at the bottom, and the Talkpage marks it as being subject to Gamergate discretionary sanctions. I don't know how much more blatant it gets. However, since the edit is already nearly two weeks old, there's no harm in me pausing briefly to double check how the tag and content got there and confirm the phrasing of the ban/DS before deciding on some sort of action. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 03:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC) |
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A TARDIS for you
A rouge TARDIS (or the closest thing I could find on Commons), for having made a closure so Rouge that its effects travelled through time and were being challenged before you even issued it. . . . But to be serious, I appreciate that you undertook to close, and closed so thoughtfully, such a large and complex discussion even as it was getting international attention and pushback. Someone had to do it; the discussion was open for so long as to suggest no-one wanted to do it; I appreciate you doing it. -sche (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
- @-sche, CommunityNotesContributor, Chetsford, and Starship.paint: Thank you for the kind words, I'm just glad the discussion is finished and we can move on (at least until the next challenge). I'm sure co-closers Tamzin and Theleekycauldron feel the same way. If you've got any recommendations for something more fun to read than that RFC (admittedly not a high bar) I could use a palate cleanser. Otherwise I think I'll pick up The Hobbit again. The Wordsmith 18:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Hobbit sounds like a great palate cleanser! I was reading his Sea-Bell the other day and learning about the neat words Tolkien coined or resurrected in that and other writings (which might interest you, as a wordsmith, if you don't know them already), like ruel-bone and wikt:eucatastrophe. :o -sche (talk) 21:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome, the Wordsmith.... Project Hail Mary. starship.paint (RUN) 01:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I just bought it for my Kindle. The Wordsmith 00:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: Thanks for the recommendation, it made excellent beach/pool-side reading. I haven't finished it yet, but I hope to sometime this weekend. The Wordsmith 18:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- You’re welcome! Interesting to have ‘horror’ story reading at the beach! starship.paint (RUN) 05:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: Thanks for the recommendation, it made excellent beach/pool-side reading. I haven't finished it yet, but I hope to sometime this weekend. The Wordsmith 18:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I just bought it for my Kindle. The Wordsmith 00:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome, the Wordsmith.... Project Hail Mary. starship.paint (RUN) 01:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Question
Hey, I have a special interest in improving articles with the 'written with advertisement like language' tag, or similar tags, especially corporate articles written in business talk instead of encyclopedic language. Do you know how I can find a list of such articles, or if there is a wikiproject focused on that? JoeJShmo 23:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) As far as I'm aware, there isn't a WikiProject dedicated to that specifically, but Category:Articles with a promotional tone sounds like what you're looking for. There's 22,000 articles in the category so you shouldn't have a lack of things to do. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Maybe I'll make a wikiproject eventually ;) JoeJShmo 19:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, there is WikiProject Cleanup that might be of interest though it doesn't focus specifically on promotional articles. The Wordsmith 19:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Maybe I'll make a wikiproject eventually ;) JoeJShmo 19:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds like a great idea, and Clovermoss is right about that category. Fixing promotional articles is a great way to dive in and make a difference. The Wordsmith 18:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
policy question
Hey wordsmith. Hope all is well. I have a question relating to a case I'm involved in. Can a topic ban ever be justified because of a perceived lack of experience and/or policy knowledge? Per ARBPIA, an editor must be EC to edit in certain topics, however, is it up to an admin to determine, even after an editor reached EC, whether that editor has enough experience to be able to edit in that topic? JoeJShmo 21:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've just gotten back from a vacation, but it seems like this issue was hashed out elsewhere. The Wordsmith 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry
Hi, about this SPI case you handled: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/PakistanHistorian/Archive#24 June 2024. You had temp blocked 2407:D000:F:0:0:0:0:0/48, 92.40.0.0/16 (?) but these still appear to be quite active with the sock network and disrupting quite a lot of pages. Can the block be extended here again?
Thanks Gotitbro (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you share a few examples of the disruptive edits from this range after the block expired? I'll check to see if there would be any collateral damage, too. The Wordsmith 15:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well here is the latest one (needs PP for socking), mere hours after a previous IP sock was reverted. Others that I recently reverted include , , , , , , , .
- From the 92.40.194.0/23 range, these include: , , , . The 'census update' edits from the range are also likely the same sock. Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing much risk in blocking the IPv6 range for a longer time, so I'll softblock that one. For the IPv4, it looks like there would be a ton of collateral damage there so it would be a bad idea to block the whole thing. What I can do instead is break it into smaller ranges that exclude most of the legitimate edits, I can do Special:Contributions/92.40.194.0/25 and Special:Contributions/92.40.195.0/24. The Wordsmith 15:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Question regarding SPI
Hi, I see that you've noted that sockpuppetry was a strong possibility in the recent report of AraxesTheThief, but without technical evidence (as CU was declined), you can't be confident to place a block. Can I rerequest CU on that basis, as declining it may potentially let long-term sockpuppetry pass, which you've noted as a strong possibility? Aintabli (talk) 06:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately that's not possible. All the known socks are already stale, so the Checkuser tool won't be able to provide any evidence which is why they already declined it. If there's future sock-like activity from that account or others, a new SPI can be opened and the new behavioral evidence can be evaluated as well. Or if their edits are disruptive, that can be handled through the normal channels. The Wordsmith 13:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okay. We'll have to wait and see then. Thank you for the explanation. It wasn't clear to me that CU wouldn't be useful either way. Wish you a great Friyay. Aintabli (talk) 13:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sadly the Checkuser tool is more limited than a lot of people think it is. Unless there's another account to compare it to that's edited en.wiki in the last 90 days, the tool is unlikely to show anything except maybe sleepers. After 90 days, IP data for logged-in accounts is generally discarded by WMF policy. For those, behavioral evidence is all we have to go on and we need to be confident in our findings to avoid blocking an innocent editor. Sometimes that unfortunately will result in illegitimate users avoiding blocks, but in my experience they often slip up and give us enough evidence to block sooner or later. The Wordsmith 15:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okay. We'll have to wait and see then. Thank you for the explanation. It wasn't clear to me that CU wouldn't be useful either way. Wish you a great Friyay. Aintabli (talk) 13:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Wisdom-inc
Thanks for closing the Wisdom-inc SPI. He is still active today on one of the reported IP ranges - Special:Contributions/143.58.176.0/24 10mmsocket (talk) 21:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Thomas Hope
I am happy to see you changed Great Britain into US. A foolish mistake by a nitwit.Taksen (talk) 05:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Perhaps you can change born in 1704 very childish.Taksen (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Also the category 1799 deaths is a mistake.Taksen (talk) 06:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have no idea what this is about. The Wordsmith 20:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, it is about Thomas Hope (banker, born 1704).Taksen (talk) 08:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, that was reverting a sockpuppet who was adding inaccuracies into articles (especially around estimated dates of birth/death). If you're willing to take responsibility for the edits, you're welcome to make the changes again. Though since Henry Hope's son (also named Henry Hope) was born in Massachusetts, it seems like him moving to the US is correct. The Wordsmith 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Massive disruption
Hi, can you have a look at these IP ranges? I think they belong to Anujror as they originated from the same geographical location(Pakistan) and have an obsession with manipulating the result of a page move discussion on Talk:Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty just like the last range that you blocked.
- 182.191.136.0/21 see
- 116.71.12.0/23 see
- 94.20.88.173 see
- 182.191.128.0/21 see
- 116.71.14.0/23 see Ratnahastin (talk) 03:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also if possible, can you please semi protect the talk page too? Ratnahastin (talk) 03:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've applied semiprotection to the talkpage. Those IP edits are probably Anujror or a similar sock drawer, but they seem to be one-offs. Blocking them would probably not have any effect as he's probably already moved on, and it looks like there are a bunch of legitimate users on those ranges. Protection is usually the better option in cases like this. The Wordsmith 00:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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CaseofGoliath SPI
Hi The Wordsmith, did you review the evidence I sent to the en-paid queue regarding Elianaisaac? Link WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCaseOfGoliath/Archive. S0091 (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have access to that queue, but whoever does is free to take action independently of SPI if they determine it is warranted. The Wordsmith 17:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I wasn't sure if you had access of not. Because it was an open SPI with a CU request, I think they left it up to the CU to review (got a standard response a couple weeks ago before the check) but I will double check. I will be opening up a new one for new socks I found anyway but was waiting until the weekend in case I came across others and might include Elianaisaac again depending on the response I get. Thanks for all the work you do, The Wordsmith. S0091 (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Christine-dark
CU is positive and so is behavioral evidence. Hope you can block as soon as possible. Capitals00 (talk) 02:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately SPI is extremely backlogged at the moment. Somebody will get to it as quickly as we can, but if there's vandalism or urgent disruption then the normal venues like WP:AIV are also available and usually have a faster response time. The Wordsmith 04:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hello; given you closed the sockpuppet case I had opened , for future reference, what is the threshold of evidence needed to support a finding of IP addresses being used as sockpuppets? The timing and nature of the IPs' actions seemed quite suspicious to me, even though there weren't many instances to point to.
(Also sorry about all the edits). JSwift49 21:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The timing is questionable, but not enough by itself. As far as the thresholds for evidence, "more likely than not" is usually enough to at least open an SPI case for either an account or an IP. In addition, the sock or IP needs to actually be doing something forbidden in WP:BADSOCK, rather than something allowed in WP:GOODSOCK or WP:EWLO. Administrators will do their own investigation or ask you for more evidence if needed, but for a positive conclusion the standard is
obvious beyond a reasonable doubt that sockpuppetry is occurring
. Essentially, if there's another reasonable explanation then we generally need to WP:AGF in the absence of technical evidence. - One other thing that filers don't often ask themselves before opening a case is "What is actually being gained by sockpuppetry here?" In this case, it was two minor rephrasings of a small amount of text, switching from a paraphrase to a quote. It doesn't seem controversial at all, especially in comparison to many of the other contested edits on that page. The IP also has a history of edits, which doesn't have any real overlap with Superb Owl. If he had (for example) been warned for edit warring or approached WP:3RR before the IP started editing, that would be much stronger evidence. As it stands, the more likely explanation is that two people have a similar opinion on how that information should be presented. The Wordsmith 22:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Got it; appreciate the explanation. My rationale at the time was: I had thought the pattern of both IPs (cosmetic edits on random articles, but substantive edits seemingly only on the Electoral fraud or similarly politically charged articles) could be an obfuscation attempt. And I thought they would have something to gain from these edits, as we have devoted a lot of time to disputing phrasing in the article where differences seem relatively minor. JSwift49 13:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
SPI Asphonixm
Hi, could you please review on my recent SPI report on Asphonixm? If you don't have the time to do so, could you at least check whether the report was correctly opened? I'm a bit worried because I messed up the previous one, which was malformed and not properly opened. Thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 07:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have time to fully review the case right now, but it looks like it was opened properly. For the previous one, it was missing the {{SPI case status}} template. That template automatically adds it to the categories that put it on the SPI dashboards.
- Personally I think filing SPI cases by hand is too fiddly and unreliable, but it's a complex process so it has to be. WP:TWINKLE has a module that fills in the case request for you; I use that so I don't have to deal with all the manual bits. The Wordsmith 18:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2024).
- Administrator elections are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to requests for adminship (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with candidate sign-up from October 8 to 14, a discussion phase from October 22 to 24, and SecurePoll voting from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrator elections.
- Following a discussion, the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion G8 to F2. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an administrator recall process.
- The arbitration case Historical elections has been closed.
- An arbitration case regarding Backlash to diversity and inclusion has been opened.
- Editors are invited to nominate themselves to serve on the 2024 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission until 23:59 October 8, 2024 (UTC).
- If you are interested in stopping spammers, please put MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist and MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist on your watchlist, and help out when you can.
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Peter Middlebrook
Thank you for your sensible action on the AfD for Peter Middlebrook, and particularly for the note on the AfD page + page protection. I think that should probably handle the disruption. Apologies (also to Izno) if my SPI report was a little bit of a mess. The 1 week timeline at AfD puts some time pressure, but I should've at least requested CU. I'll try to do better next time! Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, SPI is a complicated process even for what should be a pretty straightforward case. You didn't do anything wrong with it! Your filing was fine (better than a lot that I see) and had all the evidence available. I think those accounts are either socks and or were canvassed by the article subject or someone very interested in them, but since the CU was negative the 1-2 edits from each don't give me enough behavioral evidence to prove it. The Wordsmith 15:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
SPI investigation clarity
Hi! Wondering if my earlier report on Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Geminiwebchickenwing/Archive before the last user's report was too detailed - it's the first one I'd submitted and felt like I might have overdone it! Thanks, originalmess 07:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I think your report had the right amount of detail. It gave the evidence I needed without me having to spend ages digging up evidence on my own. If all SPIs were that well done, there probably wouldn't be such a backlog at SPI. The Wordsmith 16:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, good to know! It took me a lot of time so it makes sense why there's such a backlog. Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it! originalmess 22:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 19 October 2024
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2024).
[REDACTED] Oversighter changes
- Following a discussion, the discussion-only period proposal that went for a trial to refine the requests for adminship (RfA) process has been discontinued.
- Following a request for comment, Administrator recall is adopted as a policy.
- Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068
- RoySmith, Barkeep49 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2024 Arbitration Committee Elections. ThadeusOfNazereth and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.
- Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate from 3 November 2024 until 12 November 2024 to stand in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections.
- The Arbitration Committee is seeking volunteers for roles such as clerks, access to the COI queue, checkuser, and oversight.
- An unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in November 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!
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A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
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- Thank you! The Wordsmith 19:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2024).
Interface administrator changes
- Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
- Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, T5, has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.
- Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.
- The arbitration case Yasuke (formerly titled Backlash to diversity and inclusion) has been closed.
- An arbitration case titled Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.
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The Signpost: 12 December 2024
- News and notes: Arbitrator election concludes
- Arbitration report: Palestine-Israel articles 5
- Disinformation report: Sex, power, and money revisited
- Op-ed: On the backrooms by Tamzin
- In the media: Like the BBC, often useful but not impartial
- Traffic report: Something Wicked for almost everybody
The Signpost: 24 December 2024
- From the archives: Where to draw the line in reporting?
- Recent research: "Misplaced Pages editors are quite prosocial", but those motivated by "social image" may put quantity over quality
- Gallery: A feast of holidays and carols
- Traffic report: Was a long and dark December
HammerHead (company) deletion
Hello Wordsmith, regarding the deletion at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#HammerHead (company), what was the argument that tipped you in favour of deletion? The last comment did say If SRAM Corporation#Hammerhead exists it remains a reasonable target,..
and it does exist. The only delete vote was based on the nom which was about a gaming company and a different target. Jay 💬 05:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2025
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).
[REDACTED] Oversight changes
- Following an RFC, Misplaced Pages:Notability (species) was adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.
- The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.
- Following the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: CaptainEek, Daniel, Elli, KrakatoaKatie, Liz, Primefac, ScottishFinnishRadish, Theleekycauldron, Worm That Turned.
- A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the new pages feed. Sign up here to participate!
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Nomination of Imakuni? for deletion
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The discussion will take place at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Imakuni? (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
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- From the editors: Looking back, looking forward
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- Technology report: New Calculator template brings interactivity at last
- Opinion: Reflections one score hence
- Serendipity: What we've left behind, and where we want to go next
- Arbitration report: Analyzing commonalities of some contentious topics
Apparent block evasion
Hello TW. You recently issued a three-month-block to a short IP range that was associated with the activity of sockmaster ByzantineIsNotRoman in the page Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction (SPI case). However, they appear to be range hopping in order to circumvent their block. Check the similar geolocation of 8.48.3.236, and compare this diff and this diff by sockpuppet Aliy Dawut; likewise, check 47.150.120.119, and notice that they tried to justify the "5.5 million" death toll estimate in the infobox (diff), similar to what was presented in the aforementioned SPI case. This type of activity renders IP blocks and range blocks ineffective. Do you have any suggestion(s) on how to combat this? Maybe some type of protection for that particular page? Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)