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I see "fad diet" in an , but not in the body of the article itself. I don't believe that article titles are typically used in this way. If we're including something in the first sentence of an article, per ], we should surely have a better source than an article title alone. ] (]) 03:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
:The content in the body of that article fully supports the label in the title. One doesn't need a quotation for support; we ''summarize'' sources in WP. ] (]) 03:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


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::It's a ], so the sourcing really needs to be impeccable. I can start a discussion at ] if you like, or get a ], but I think as it stands this is a serious violation of ]. ] (]) 03:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2020-05-04">4 May 2020</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2020-06-18">18 June 2020</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ]. Peer reviewers: ].
:::added another ref. It is not contentious <s>except for someone trying to sell it To</s> to any objective observer; it fits the definition of ] (you really should read that) to a T. ] (]) 03:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC) (strike via redaction with apologies ] (]) 04:35, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
:::if anything violates NPOV as well as ] it is , btw. 100% positive stuff. 0% negative, even from the sources that were there. not good. ] (]) 03:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


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::::The you've added also does not refer to the Whole30 as a fad diet. The article subtitle is "Take a lesson from this year's diet fads, fitness flubs, and expert-approved movements," but that's as close as we get. It's also a listicle, there must be better sources out there. Also, yes, "fad diet" can clearly be seen as a contentious term by someone who is not trying to "sell" a diet. I will start a discussion at a noticeboard. ] (]) 03:31, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

:::::Ok, I've opened a discussion here: ]. I have also the word "fad" from the title of , because the word "fad" is not ''in'' the title of the article. ] (]) 03:42, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::Yeah i'll chime in there - the question is wrong. ] (]) 03:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

:After looking through the sourcing again, I think a better description of this diet is ]. It is described as such in the and , which look like our two best newspaper sources. According to the Dallas Morning News source, "Weight loss is not a focus of Whole30." It doesn't seem to promise any extraordinary benefits per ] such as a longer diet, either. It looks like you're supposed to cut out certain food groups for 30 days, then start reintroducing them and see which foods, if any, make you feel worse. That seems consistent with ]. I cannot find any sources that say you're supposed to never eat the eliminated foods after 30 days. Per '']'', "The program is all about eliminating and reintroducing these potential problem-causers so you can better understand how what you eat is affecting you. Think: Paleo meets an elimination diet—just for 30 days." I think a more accurate first sentence of the article based on the available sourcing would be: "The Whole30 is a 30-day ] during which participants eliminate sugar, alcohol, grains, legumes, soy, and dairy from their diets." ] (]) 04:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
::it is a fad diet; stating that is accurate and neutral. you can also describe it as an elimination diet as well, elsewhere. do not remove the fad diet statement. it NPOV now, per the ] policy. Thanks. ] (]) 04:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
:::The article on ] says a fad diet "is a diet that makes promises of weight loss or other health advantages such as longer life." I am not seeing that in the citations here. I am seeing that this diet tells you to not eat certain foods for 30 days, then reintroduce them later in a way consistent with an ]. And please do not give me orders, such as "do not remove the fad diet statement." Did I remove it? Did I say I was going to remove it? I've obviously started a discussion here about it, and I don't need to be patronized. ] (]) 04:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::The point of the elimination is to lose weight quickly and/or dietary ] which is a pseudoscientific notion per sourced content in the WLed article. and its not healthy. so fad diet. and if you read ] that is an actual ] thing; this is not. ] (]) 05:04, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::: That seems like OR or SYN to me, and i would urge the editor to be more friendly and to consider the other editor's notes abot dynamics of this dialog. This is giving me the willies. Doesn't feel like a good dialog to me. ] (]) 13:31, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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