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| == Jan 2023 == | |||
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| @] Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here with no regards to ]. If you have doubts regarding my ], you are welcome to discuss the edits with ] and by ], so long as you stop making ]. | |||
| == The Sega Article == | |||
| ~~ ] (]) 14:58 28 January 2023 | |||
| == Dreamcast Sales Numbers == | |||
| Before you revert the edits on the Sega Article, present me good arguments why the article was good the way it was before. You still haven't responded to my points responding to your concerns. ] | |||
| Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. ] (]) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Talkback == | |||
| :Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese: | |||
| {{tb|Talk:Khmer_Rouge#Revert}} | |||
| :セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。 | |||
| :Which translates to: | |||
| :Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units. | |||
| :Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago: | |||
| :https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html | |||
| :https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html ] (]) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson ''et al.'' (], 2012). | |||
| ::More broadly, what happens on the ] article has no direct bearing on ]. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus. | |||
| ::If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at ], rather than on my user talk page.] (]) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, tangentially, fails ] because the sources do not state that {{tq|"'']'' is the best-selling Sega Saturn game."}} Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in ] ] of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.] (]) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn . | |||
| :::Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan? | |||
| :::I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago. | |||
| :::I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: ''based on existing documents/materials at Sega'' (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source. | |||
| :::Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof. | |||
| :::In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' states that: ''More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan.'' (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。) | |||
| :::This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. ] (]) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Mujaheddin == | ||
| Hi, TTAAC. Crossing paths with you in recent discussions, after not seeing you for quite a while, reminded me that long ago I wanted to drop a note here regarding something I noticed in your contributions. So better late than never; the note from me to you would have read something like: "If I find out that you worked for Insomniac Games, and have a license plate on your car that reads 'GO SONIC', I'm going to completely "lose my shit" and demand that you call me immediately." If such a message is nonsensical to you, and it likely is (but I just can't shake this nagging notion), please disregard it. Best, ] (]) | |||
| Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein ] (]) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Can't resist poking the beehive == | |||
| :{{U|Boackandwhite}}, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a ] for ]. Regards,] (]) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it ] (]) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed ] and has been If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.] (]) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == A cup of tea for you! == | |||
| {{tq|it really seems like Gucci's bitterness is personal; i.e., his Russian background is clouding his judgement, causing him to literally read hidden messages into Brzezinski's innocuous ''CNN'' interview that are not apparent to objective observers. I've never denied that all editors have their biases, myself included (in fact, those who claim to speak only the objective truth are usually the most doctrinaire POV-pushers), but I have also maintained that the key to neutral editing is ''acknowledging'' those biases, and perhaps taking a step back on topics that arouse one's emotions.}} | |||
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| Tone it down a notch. You can yell "thief!" all you want, but you remain the only super-patriot—or any kind of "patriot"—in the debate (putting Wishes' weirdly displaced ]-style patriotism to one side) . There's nothing that reminds me more of the simultaneously glib and mendacious propaganda I'm bombarded with 24/7 in Moscow ''than your latest rants''. Whatever it is that's "clouding my judgement", it sure as hell ain't Russophilia: that fact should be blindingly obvious from past discussions. Anyway, don't let me get in the way of you patting yourself on the back while demanding self-criticism from others. P.S. I plead guilty to knowing a language other than American and not being a member of the Mayflower club. ] (]) 15:42, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Btw, your cute apocryphal story about ] is a little hard to believe, given that she was half a world away from Japan when the Red Army started killing its own members. Probably some shit Becker made up to go along with her story about how ] (and not ]) was the mastermind of the Lod hijacking-massacre. Not an a particularly convincing first attempt at "Leftism in an Nutshell". ] (]) 17:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | thank you sincerely for your contributions!! :) <span style="font-family: century gothic;">]<u> ] </u> • '']]''</span> 22:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :*Commenting since I was mentioned here... I think this has nothing to do with any "biases". I think that Guccisamsclub is simply ]: what he does in the project is mostly following other contributors and engaging them in very long and unproductive discussions. These discussions are unproductive because: (a) they concern subjects of marginal interest and importance for corresponding pages, (b) I do not think that G. really understands these subjects (this is not really a matter of bias), (c) he frequently resort to ] "arguments". Of course he also edits the corresponding pages, but I have an impression that his edits in such cases (e.g. , on a page he never edited before and no one else edited for years) are frequently an attempt to engage others in another senseless discussion. ] (]) 17:38, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Gucci has made many positive contributions to Misplaced Pages—primarily in the form of correcting serious inaccuracies related to the Second Indochina War and its aftermath (i.e., 1 million "re-educated" in post-1975 Vietnam, 650,000 famine deaths in post Khmer Rouge-Cambodia, 2.7 million tons of U.S. bombs dropped on Cambodia)—but (for whatever the reason) I am reluctantly drawn to the conclusion that Wishes quite accurately describes Gucci's editing behavior whenever the subject is the former Soviet Union.] (]) 19:53, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, you definitely have more experience here. So whatever. I just can see a recent pattern. ] (]) 20:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::*We can shake hands on that note, I suppose. Although I still don't get why you decided to paint me as an Anti-American Russophile Russian conspiracy theorist. I don't mind personal attacks when they have a grain of truth to them. But that was the equivalent of calling ] a stooge for American imperialism and a member of the ]. Bizarre. I mean I even supported the NATO operation in Libya, for chrissake. My interest in the article has nothing to do with blaming the invasion on someone other than the Soviets, as I've stated explicitly. The US "pushed" the Soviets into Afghanistan is the same way that it left Putin no choice but invade Ukraine and bomb Syria, all in the name of "defense". The USSR's security concerns about Afghanistan were probably more legitimate (for various reasons I'll not go into) — but fundamentally these cases are equivalent. Nobody "pushed" them anywhere. Now if you could only see American interventions the same way I see Russian ones, that'd be great. 21:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::- In the interest of fairness, I should add that Novodvorskaya (mentioned up top) should at least be credited with publicly defending the Chechen cause ''in Russia''. Wishes is just sloppily (violating all guidelines) pushing some banal "anti-Soviet" POV on the english wiki, i.e. ''in the West''. ] (]) 21:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::"Now if you could only see American interventions the same way I see Russian ones." I'm not the one who supported the NATO intervention in Libya.] (]) 21:17, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I'll take that as a retraction. ] (]) 22:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::<s>What am I supposed to be retracting? I doubt you can find an edit of mine that could be construed as supporting NATO in Libya, so I'm guessing the retraction must be related to my insinuation that your apologia for the USSR is related to your ethnic background. Well, I could think of a far more accurate slur than calling you a Russian, but—unlike calling you a Russian—it would likely result in my being perma-banned.</s>] (]) 22:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::How about calling G's behaviour as attesting to a tragic case of nostalgia for the Soviet Union... Some people seem to think there are golden ages in history, particularly if they didn't live through them. --] (]) 22:49, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::How about listening to what the other 'person ''actually says''? Or would that get in the way of POV-pushing too much? ] (]) 23:02, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::That would only be relevant if the other person didn't leave walls of text (and if the 'person' wasn't actually the 'elephant' in the room). Aside from that, I'm eruditer than you. --] (]) 23:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::You can go ahead and measure the walls of text in ] war with a ruler. Report back on your results. Anyway, enjoy your your eruditiness.] (]) 23:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::Unfortunately, it often requires more time and energy to refute bullshit than it does to make it up.] (]) 00:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::::Keep in mind that students who studied humanities in Moscow State University (for example) also studied a "secret" discipline known in old times as "military disinformer". This includes skills how to manipulate other people. BTW, I did not study humanities. My additional, "military" speciality was ]. That's funny.] (]) 13:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Reply|Iryna Harpy}} "Aside from that, I'm eruditer tha you." --] (]) 18:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{Reply|Guccisamsclub}} Your USSR-kissing is so blatant it's embarrassing. --] (]) 18:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::BowlAndSpoon is a sockpuppet troll. Do not feed him.] (]) 18:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::That's eruditeninity, Guccisamsclub. Stick with me, son, and you'll learn how to speak propa English real good. In fact, you might even learn how to write a terse response on a talk page without other editors having to print it out in order to read it. You must be a marvel in face to face debates. Contrary to what you appear to believe, talking over people whilst bewailing the fact that they're not listening to you isn't a debate. Keep measuring your rewriting of articles based on the fact that you've worn them down as a 'victory'. You're going to be disillusioned when you discover how quickly biased content is overturned once editors have had jack of you. --] (]) 20:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::As if what anything you just said has any connection to reality. Even if it did, it would prove nothing: for example, the person who writes more is not necessarily wrong, etc.. Your jokes are lame; Wishes "humor" is weird as hell. ] (]) 23:38, 5 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Why am I not surprised that you take yourself so seriously? Oh, probably because it seems apparent that you have no sense of humour... other than gleaning some perverse sense of 'fun' out worrying the beehive... and you don't appreciate MVBW's jibe. Hornet, meet the para-psychologist (or is that parasitecologist?). He knows more about you than you're comfortable with. Uff, you'd be a truly difficult person to live with. --] (]) 00:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Ok. ] (]) 00:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::{{Reply|Guccisamsclub}} <s>Imagine living with Iryna Harpy!! Something like ? There is an awesome disparity between her self-image and her actual intellectual abilities. Along with her other obnoxious traits (the magisterial self-regard etc.), this strongly indicates a ]: "These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority … people with NPD may exhibit fragile egos, an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in an attempt to validate their own superiority."</s> --] (]) 07:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Space Harrier== | |||
| Yeah, I thought it odd as well that a 32X port released in '92 wouldn't be reviewed until three years later (GamePro), but shame on me for not following up on it anyway. Ugh. Anyway, thanks for the detective work and your edits on the article. ] ] 03:31, 7 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Sure. Thank ''you'' for turning the article around so quickly.] (]) 05:46, 7 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::''SH'' is one of my all-time favorite games and holds a lot of memories for me, so it's been a labor of love. :') ] ] 16:11, 7 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Blind reverts== | |||
| Please do not repeat the likes of this . It is not "being bold". If you have objections to specific sentences or content, please confront them on an issue by issue basis. By blind reverting you inserted obviously false content (like the outdated box office figures) and unsourced pov (like "blessings that constitute the greatness of America" the was being falsely claimed to be a "statement"). Those two bits of content change were explained in my edit summaries - this blind revert also revealed that you ignored those summaries. ] (]) 14:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :You misunderstood the edit summary. The POV-pushing likely sock was being BOLD; per BRD, I reverted him. Unless you explain why ], who ''you'' blindly deleted, is unreliable, I am going to revert right back.] (]) 14:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Talk about ''blind'' reverts: Sowell quite explicitly says This is in the second paragraph! How blind can you be?] (]) | |||
| ::It is NOT a quote. There is no "greatness of America" quote. Do you actually think that this CONTENT wording is npov language suitable for an encyclopedia? Such hagiography is only appropriate if it is contained within an actual quote. And the quote has to be from someone notable or an expert, otherwise it is pointless. ] (]) 15:08, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::As for the other issue you raised - address it without a blanket removal of other editors' work. If you blind revert again, I will report you. Remember that this article is subject to various restrictions regarding US politics-related articles. ] (]) 15:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::And I actually support the position that it is not appropriate mention in the first sentence of the lede that the subject of this article is a convicted felon. It is over emphasis to have it in the first sentence, it is not what he is most notable for (though he actually seems to be playing up his conviction, based on reviews of his recent documentary) and there was certainly no need to mention the conviction twice in the lede. ] (]) 15:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::''The other editor'' was . Per BRD, that editor needs consensus for such sweeping changes.] (]) 15:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'm not taking ownership of, or supporting, anyone elses edits by my revert of your revert - but when you blindly remove the good (which I consider my edits to be) with the allegedly bad, you are not reaching a stable article with accurate content. ] (]) 15:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Fine. I added your changes back in regarding the box office, and quoted Sowell directly. There's no need to restore the mass deletions I criticized on talk, with no response.] (]) 15:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your SPI witch hunt== | |||
| Looks like your sock witch hunt went no where. Looks like my account is going nowhere.] (]) 01:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| P.S.''"BTW, Oneshotofwhiskey, I know a sock when I see one, and will likely be filing an SPI shortly."'' Apparently you don't - as your investigation has left you with egg on your face, and destroyed your credibility. Seeing as you are defending the paranoia and most outrageous behaviors of convicted felon Dinesh D'Souza (who himself sees conspiracy theories everywhere and relies solely on emotional reasoning for his worldview) that would explain your egomaniac paranoia and failures in that SPI and elsewhere. Learn from your "failures".] (]) 12:56, 14 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| P.S. Since you are trying now for a second time to ] the system by trying to intimidate me off those pages with false accusations, I think it is safe to point out now your hypocrisy that you've blatantly reversed my edits in violation of 3RR. That would only be possible if you were also ] and stalking my contributions. I would expect an editor who knows the rules as well as you, and is quick to lecture others about the rules, to know better than to engage in an edit war. | |||
| You can delete all the templates you want warning you about rules you are violating. As you already know, that doesn't mean the administrators investigating your behavior won't see my edit history in warning you here. Nor can you feign ignorance that you weren't warning. Covering up a warning won't hide your violations here or elsewhere. Good luck.] (]) 00:58, 15 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
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@TheTimesAreAChanging Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here with no regards to Assumimg Good Faith. If you have doubts regarding my WP:NPOV, you are welcome to discuss the edits with Civility and by focusing on the content, so long as you stop making Personal attacks. ~~ shadowwarrior8 (talk) 14:58 28 January 2023
Dreamcast Sales Numbers
Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese:
- セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。
- Which translates to:
- Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units.
- Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago:
- https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html
- https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- 178.27.108.243, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson et al. (Routledge, 2012).
- More broadly, what happens on the PlayStation 2 article has no direct bearing on Dreamcast. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus.
- If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at Talk:Dreamcast, rather than on my user talk page.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- 178.27.108.243, tangentially, this edit fails verification because the sources do not state that
"Virtua Fighter 2 is the best-selling Sega Saturn game."
Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in original synthesis of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)- You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn .
- Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan?
- I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago.
- I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: based on existing documents/materials at Sega (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source.
- Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof.
- In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles states that: More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan. (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。)
- This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Mujaheddin
Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein Boackandwhite (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Boackandwhite, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a reliable source for verification. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it Boackandwhite (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed verification and has been reverted. If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it Boackandwhite (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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