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:: Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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:: ] is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his . - ] was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page ''now'' because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --] (]) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world ]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted ] in 2016. --] (]) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)


==User:151.124.106.64==
Awarded by {{u|DHeyward}}
I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


== Macrobiotic Diet ==
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Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
:::(]) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== Editing warring user ==

{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]

*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
*They reverted me a forth time for .

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

] (]) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:A little more: ''"''" ] (]) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Bishonen, I seem to have annoyed an IP hopper. Would you please semi ]. If there is an easy way to do it for the whole User:Jbhunley/ tree that would be even better since they went after many pages. If you have to do it manually though, do not bother with it. Thank you! ]] 01:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:PS that tilted TOC is cool - makes my eyes cross, but still cool. {{smiley}} ]] 01:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::I've semi'd your userpage indefinitely, ] — it hardly seems likely an IP would ever have any business editing it. But this is very annoying... I did mass protect my own pages about a year ago, when I had a determined personal harasser. But I can't remember how. Anybody? {{ping|Writ Keeper|MusikAnimal|Materialscientist}}? Hehe, I love the tilt, but it's getting a bit long — maybe I should archive. Some day, you know. ] &#124; ] 15:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC).
::: There should be a 'semiprotect all' button at ] https://i.imgur.com/XwzDXNi.png - ] ] 15:53, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Yup, I've already pushed it. I was gonna say, I distinctly remember writing that script. ]&nbsp;]] 15:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Bishonen, {{u|Writ Keeper}} - Thank you! ]] 17:16, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::You can also use Twinkle to mass-protect, on the same ] use TW > P-Batch <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 17:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Must you suck the fun out of *everything*? ]&nbsp;]] 17:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::In seriousness, though, I don't actually see a TW tab on Special:PrefixIndex. ]&nbsp;]] 19:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: I didn't either. Thought it was just for admin eyes only. - ] ] 19:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::And there we are. Thanks very much, all. ], I was pretty sure it was your script, I think you may actually have written it because I needed it. (You're such a good guy. Please run for ArbCom!) I just didn't remember how to use it. I wonder if I've made on my page will help next time. Unlikely, I suppose. ] &#124; ] 19:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC).
::::::::::<small>Arbcom. Yeah, that's what we need. Speaking of sucking the fun out of everything...]&nbsp;]] 22:11, 20 October 2016 (UTC)</small>
{{od}} I don't see a Twinkle tab on those pages either, ]. Does it need to be, uh, ''activated'' somewhere in my prefs? ] &#124; ] 10:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC).
:Really? I see "P-Batch" and "D-batch", both admin functions so yes, the tab would only be visible at all for admins. Special:PrefixIndex is the primary use-case for these features. If you don't see them, then this must be a bug... :( Could one of you, {{u|Writ Keeper}} perhaps since you are a developer, take a look at your JS console and see if there are any errors? See ] for those who need instructions <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 16:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::<small>I reckon the ] has desysopped Bishonen! Wow! ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 16:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)</small>
::Sure, I'll take a look later today. ]&nbsp;]] 16:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I asked some other admins on IRC and they said they see the Twinkle menu at ]. I tried on both Vector and Monobook. Mass delete/protect are arguably the most powerful admin features, so I really want to figure this out :) Thank you! <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 21:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::::No errors (only warnings), appears in Vector but not Monobook. Dunno what's different about our monobook vs. yours, though, if you've tried it. ]&nbsp;]] 01:10, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::In Monobook, Twinkle options should show up as links along the top, not as a dropdown menu (sorry I thought maybe this was implied). So next to "special page" you should see "d-batch" and "p-batch" (). Do you not? <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 03:12, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::No, I see your screenshot, but there's nothing there next to "special page" in my Monobook. (Vector? Who uses Vector?) Except "semiprotect all", which would be Writty's script. ] &#124; ] 03:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC). P.S. Could that possibly be the problem? That the Twinkle links are sort of masked by "semiprotect all"? Do you want to see a screenshot, ]? I could e-mail it to you. ] &#124; ] 10:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
::::::: <small> Could you add the following code to your ] and see if the tab shows up on ]? <code>mw.loader.using(, function() { if (mw.config.get( 'wgCanonicalSpecialPageName' ) === 'Prefixindex') {Twinkle.addPortletLink( Twinkle.batchprotect.callback, "P-batch", "tw-pbatch", "Protect pages linked from this page" );}});</code> - ] ] 11:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC) </small>
::::::::Add ''that'' code? I suppose I could. OK, done. No, it doesn't make any difference. Thank you for trying, little NQ. Should I remove it again? ] &#124; ] 15:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
::::::::: yes please, wouldn't want it to screw anything up. It worked for me though, so not sure what's wrong. ] (]) 15:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:{{od2}}I am so lost... I set my personal JS to be the same as yours, Bishonen, and I still see the links (the P-batch link I see twice, because of NQ's script that you added). I'm going to guess there's a conflicting gadget or something. Let's take this to the next level, if you don't mind... I've temporarily given you sysop rights on testwiki. At your convenience, please go to ] and enable "Twinkle debug version", then browse to ] and let me know if you see the links. Thanks so much for your help! I worry this isn't working for a lot of people <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 19:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


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::I got as far as enabling "Twinkle debug version", but then when I click on your ] link, I only get a generic page, without any pages listed on it. Unsurprisingly, I didn't see any Twinkle links, because there was nothing there for them to refer to (no pages to batch protect or similar). So I tried looking for pages with ''your'' name as the prefix — obviously, I myself don't have anything in my userspace on that wiki — and got a little list. With still no Twinkle links. I've e-mailed you a screenshot of what I see.
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:::And you have replied — I didn't realize I was using Vector on the testwiki, so I looked for the links to the right of "Special page"... sigh... OK, hang on while I just change the skin. ] &#124; ] 20:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
::*Yes, it works in Monobook too on the test wiki, I see the links where I expect them. But I can't do the same in my usual prefs, can I? There's no Twinkle debug version there. So, are you going to fix it for all of us? I'm really glad this came up, you know. There's some more Twinkle links I've never been able to find, that I know other people rejoice in — perhaps those will miraculously turn up, too, once this is fixed ("debugged"). ] &#124; ] 20:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
:::: Oh no, you've already desysopped me! Bad ]! ] &#124; ] 20:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
:::::Hehe, I love to break rules but the testwiki folks insist sysop powers are for development purposes only. Anyway, yay! We know the issue is not Twinkle by itself :) I'm convinced it must be a conflicting gadget. Could you email me your list of gadgets (take a screenshot, I guess)? What other Twinkle options are missing for you?{{pb}}Also, I did some SQL queries about skin usage, and of all the users who have modified some sort of setting (so probably most users who were active at some point, and not throwaway accounts/socks), around 2.1 million use Monobook, ~86,000 use Cologne Blue, ~79,000 use Modern, and 8.9 million use Vector :) Vector is the default these days, so it makes sense it's the most popular <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 20:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::: ''little NQ'' has cracked it ! @Bish {{Re|MusikAnimal}} {{Re|Writ Keeper}} Have a looksy at ] and ]. Spot what's hidden! ;) ] (]) 20:55, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Haha!! Well that explains it! The Twinkle settings you mysteriously are missing you explicitly have hidden! Wow. Thanks {{u|NQ}}! I'm going to guess Writ Keeper told you to do this, Bishonen? Writ I've just about had enough of you :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 20:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The CSS should have been one of the first places I checked. So angry at myself >:( <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">] <sup>]</sup></span></span> 21:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, I don't think it was Writ, even though there's some overlap with his choices... I think I did it on my own, because I'm pretty clever, you know.. full of technical initiative! Can I be a developer, please? Peering into the past, I think the line of links got too long and the ones I really wanted disappeared to the right on my tablet, and there was no using them. I'll just unhide the lot, because I can't be arsed to use the damn tablet these days anyway. I like to use Bishzilla's ten-acre desktop monitor, which has lots of room for little links. Sorry I'm so forgetful, Musik. Thank you little NQ! ] &#124; ] 22:20, 22 October 2016 (UTC).


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== Kefas Brand ==


Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
::LOL. @Bish's talk page is the place to be: Horses, flowers, starry nights, Almond joy and :-)s. ] (]) 04:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
*Hi, ]. I've removed the opprobrious remark and had a word with the user. Jehochman is a right nutter, btw. ] &#124; ] 10:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC).
:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | What a fine idea...to have an image appear to those who edit your talk page. Such a fine first picture too...quite contemplative! ] 04:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you! <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)


==My guess...==
*Thank you for bright bulb little user. Illumination in murky autumnal home most timely! (Thickest cloudcover ever today.) Hmm. Has another bright idea: how about I add ] to carousel too, for a surprise item? I see it's currently being used , besides your award. Trying to figure out what the illustrated word can be... no luck. Anybody? Does человекообразность mean Bigfoot? Or Hairy Shakespeare? ] &#124; ] 08:47, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
::Google translate says it means "people imagery". Huh. Like, folk art? ] &#124; ] 08:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
:::Acording to my dictionary the root word (человекообраз-) means anthropomorphous. With a gendered suffix it is anthropoid. -ност collectivizes a noun so I would say things like ] would be a good fit. ]] 12:28, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::::So the image is supposed to be Shakespeare roleplaying in in furry fandom..? Sure, why not, and I'm glad to see it travel, though it's hardly what ] had in mind when he kindly created it on request from Bishzilla. Originally, it represents MONGO as the Hairy Shakespeare of the Woods, warbling his native woodnotes in all those featured and hairy and leafy National Park articles.. ] &#124; ] 15:31, 22 October 2016 (UTC).
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::As is not uncommon, woodland realm has few opportunities for MONGO to edit. Hoping problem rectified soon. Nevertheless those Rooskies need be wary of the potential costs to both limb and eyeball (vodka martini with eyeball garnish my favorite) should they misuse my likeness in a nefarious manner.--] 16:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::] is quite the fine technical user person. Thank goodness he's on our side and not that of those dastardly Rooskies.--] 16:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Now lightning! MONGO excited!--] 03:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::So...pictures must do auto update. MONGO unable to understand such fine complexity...--] 03:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Every twelve hours, little ]. That's the cleverness of young ]. But I only gave him nine pics to alternate between. I wonder if I could put in a few more ]? I can see where the image names are, so probably wouldn't need to understand the complexity. What say, RexxS? Would you rather I not mess ignorantly with module? ] &#124; ] 10:17, 29 October 2016 (UTC).
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
::::::: Of course, please add more. I tried to write it so that it could be easily updated. You just need to put a comma after each filename except the last one, just like any list. Enjoy --] (]) 12:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Now more images! Look at me, I'm programming in Lua! \o/ ] &#124; ] 17:08, 29 October 2016 (UTC).
:::::::::A creek...most idyllic spot of woodland realm.--] 20:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Ha! {{U|MONGO}} You been in woods? Beer coming for MONGO. Usual shipment. You been quiet. ] (]) 22:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::MONGO trying to behave...but it very very hard.--] 04:06, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Strong spirits for MONGO on way. Beer chasers too. Will keep MONGO in picture. ] will be sent. Only 24 bottles though. MONGO be warm through winter. Drambuie too. All depends on U Boat activity in Atlantic. Keep MONGO up to date on this. ] (]) 04:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
*Pelicans!--] 02:14, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
== Wecarlisle AE ==


== ''Scheisst'' ==
Pinging {{U|Mandruss}} too.


''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
For future reference, would ANI be a better venue for matters like this? Since it was related to ARBAP2, I thought AE was the only venue I could take that.
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).


== NOTHERE user ==
And I agree, the warning to report time gap was not ideal. But the disruption was blatant and repeated so I thought it needed addressing. Between the edit notices and the edit summaries by reverters and the user themself, it seemed that they knew about the DS and ignored them.


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
Just wondering what the ideal way to handle such things would be for the future (esp. as we get closer to the election in the USA). Cheers! ] ] 12:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. Yes, IMO either ANI or AN3 would have been better in this case. There was ongoing disruption, so it was urgent. Discretionary sanctions are more for persistent problems, and they only start to "count", so to speak, after a user has been alerted to them. The user had been persistent enough, but mainly before your alert, so s/he wasn't ready to be sanctioned per DS. Giving the user a DS alert was a good idea, but there was nothing preventing you from then using other venues. DS are meant to make it ''easier'', not harder, to stem disruption in sensitive areas. (The cumbersome way they're sometimes used can make one wonder, I know.) They should never prevent anybody from using other venues, or approaching an admin individually, or whatever. As for the ideal way for the future: well, considering these interesting times, why not hand out a few DS alerts for American politics preemptively, where you think they may do some good? (Not a whole shower, as that might be frowned on.) They make it easier for admins to act down the line. The alerts are not accusations — you see where it says "It does '''not''' imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date", bolding in original — and people don't really have any reason to take umbrage at them. Especially not if you make a point of templating folk on different sides of the, uh, great divide. ] &#124; ] 15:05, 28 October 2016 (UTC).
::That makes sense. I was always a bit unclear if you had to go to AE to get an active sanction addressed or not. I'll go to ANI or AN3 (the latter of which can be a bit slow too) in the future. I appreciate you explaining too. That does help. :) ] ] 16:46, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{tq|— and people don't really have any reason to take umbrage at them}}, which is not to say that they won't. :D &#8213;]&nbsp;] 16:47, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:::It's funny, ], but I had originally written a parenthetic "(though they do)" to EF, but I thought "too many parentheses, you talk too much, Bishonen" and zapped it. Indeed they will. I nearly fainted when a new user actually thanked me for his DS alert, in the section "Sanction notification" above: "I was wondering why I didn't get a notification". Very nice. ] &#124; ] 17:00, 28 October 2016 (UTC).


::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
::::In my experience a majority will see it as a confrontation, if not attack, regardless of the fine print. &#8213;]&nbsp;] 17:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Bishonen}} Remember that time- can't find it off the top of my head- where, for a particularly tendentious editor, it said "This '''does''' imply misconduct regarding your own conduct." Classic! ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 17:11, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Hehe. That must have been Darwinbish. I don't remember where it was either. ] &#124; ] 19:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC).
:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).


== A cookie for you! == == The Admin's Barnstar ==


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*.] Mmm, pretty nice! ] &#124; ] 02:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC).


* Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
== Block ==


== ] ==
Can you please take a look at the user page which you deleted, ], then go to the page that user was editing a lot, and check the edit history. The page was meant to be a redirect, where an admin ] found this article, put it back to a redirect, then the two users, Musiclov and it's sock puppeteer, put it back to the promotional page it was. this happeed about 3 times, so i just marked it for deletion for promotion. Please block Musiclov and it's sock-puppeteer, Wikiartiste. ] (]) 16:54, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:I replied to you on ] before I saw this, ]. I'll take a look at the socking issue. ] &#124; ] 16:58, 30 October 2016 (UTC).
::Also, I sent in a request for rollback about a week ago, which was denied, and it was before I really started being entirely active. So, if I were to apply again now, do you think I'd make it? I really need it for STiki. I'm currently using Snuggle and it isn't working really well. ] (]) 17:01, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've blocked both accounts indefinitely. They're pretty obviously one person, but I don't think that's worth making an SPI song and dance about. Thanks for your good work, ]. Hmmm, I don't know much about why or when rollback is or isn't granted. Could you link me to your request and the denial, please? ] &#124; ] 17:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC).
::::I need some help, please. I used to do NPP, until an admin, Kudpung, told me to stop. So I moved to working on Snuggle for recent changes patrol. And since recent changes are changes to pages, he is now really angry at me for some reason, and I haven't been doing anything wrong. Please help, link is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Adotchar#NPP_3


Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
{{tps}} The user page ] is a near-copy of {{oldid2|746961963|an old version}} of ], the page in question (now redirected). It's probably ok to work on a draft of your favourite garage band in your user-space, but it would be more usual in a sub-page, rather than the users's landing page. As Wikiartiste is now blocked, perhaps it could be moved without redirect to ], or maybe just deleted (as its in the page history of ])? --] (]) 17:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
*], that's above my paygrade, sorry. I don't understand it. Again, where did you request rollback and what was the reason given for denying it? And ], yeah, I deleted it. It would surprise me if the individual doesn't have a copy, since it's been on both the userpages and is as you say in the history of ]. Not sure how you mean they could work on it, though. You know both the accounts have been indeffed? ] &#124; ] 11:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC).
:It was denied for a lack of anti-vandalism, but it was before I went fully anti-vandal. I'll put a link here this afternoon. <sub style="border:1px solid #3333ff;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 11:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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:: Yer, I saw they were indeffed. I just hoped that their next sock could quietly work on the article in user space without disturbing anybody else :D
:: {{reply to |Adotchar}} I have great respect for {{u|Kudpung}}, and his expertise includes the fields of New Page and Recent Changes patrol, so I'd take his advice seriously. My advice to you is not to be in a hurry. Take your time to learn what folks like Kudpung are explaining to you. Expect to spend a month or more using the simple tools or making manual edits to combat vandalism. You have made a good start, spotting Wikiartiste et al, and bringing your evidence to a sympathetic admin like 'Shonen for action. Keep up the good work and you'll be able to show the admins at ] a history of good judgement. That's what they are looking for in granting permissions. I hope it turns out well for you the next time you ask. --] (]) 16:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== BOOOOOOO! Happy Halloween!!! ==
::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual[REDACTED] editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Ah well ==
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Thank you little Sluzzelin! Delicious! Multicoloured Beluga caviar very festive! ] ] 09:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC).
{{-}}


I tried.
== Some remodeling may be in order ==
]
Hey there, it's probably from Bishzilla stomping around, but your table of contents isn't hanging on all of its nails anymore. Do you need me to give you some? :p—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Offline</sub></small> 01:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
: I've moved the remaining nail for the moment. That's much better, don't you think? --] (]) 01:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::So what's it hanging on now?—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Offline</sub></small> 02:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I tried to straighten it out again, but something looks off. I can't quite put my finger on it.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Limited Access</sub></small> 05:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Here, use some ] to hang table of contents on wall. Extra strength; can withstand 'Zilla stomp! ] (]) 06:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hey! 180° is all very well, let 'em stand on their heads, but it's covering up my "blocked by Jimbo" barnstar! Please fix! (Oh, the edit notice has a bison now. Well majestic!) ] &#124; ] 09:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC).
:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


== Block evading ==
::::::Never fear, with magnets table of contents can hang anywhere. No need to cover up other decorations. ] (]) 14:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::: Well... thank you very much, all. Maybe I turn it round in a while, before there's a riot. ] &#124; ] 16:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC).
::::::::{{like}}—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 17:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::{{yo|Darwinfish}} You forget to use a leveling tool? It's crooked again. :p—<sup>]</sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 13:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Hmmm. Ah, ]. Sorry, ], I haven't developed one of those yet, still evolving. (You should be grateful I've got feet!) ]] 15:48, 2 November 2016 (UTC). ]
:::::::::::{{yo|RexxS}} re your last edit, wobbling would be nice, but I don't see any. Do you? ] &#124; ] 17:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC).
:::::::::::*OK, I see wobbling now, but it's discreet in the extreme. Faster! Faster! ] &#124; ] 17:20, 2 November 2016 (UTC).
:::::::::::: It only wobbles when you're not looking. (Hint: preview the page to bypass Misplaced Pages's cache.) --] (]) 17:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== Madden ==


:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
I've gotten a lot less tolerant of "minor spelling fixes" that aren't, particularly in a silly season-related article. You're obviously a kinder, more forgiving person, probably because Bishzilla takes care of the mean stuff. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 17:15, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:That's it. Though I have my moments of intolerance, too. I just this minute blocked {{noping|Jewwy Seinfeld}}, reported at AIV, that the other admin had rejected for being at the wrong noticeboard. Fuck that, just ''block'', you know? ] &#124; ] 17:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC). :Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::
:: We should make ] O.Cist the patron saint of blockers. --] (]) 19:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Uh? You don't think I was sorting it out properly myself, ], without any need to involve the Christian god or crusaders? IMO the user "Jewwy Seinfeldt" needed blocking indefinitely on the name alone, regardless of what noticeboard they had been taken to. Nothing to worry god with. ] &#124; ] 20:04, 31 October 2016 (UTC).


== Trump == == Email ==


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for . ] could use some active policing in the run-up to the election, not least to avoid unnecessary drama and finger-pointing at ]. --] (]) 00:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
:—Yeah.. I'm not American, though, nor much of a masochist. I find a good deal of it so strange as to be incomprehensible. Mainly, I can only manage the low-hanging fruit, such as this. ] &#124; ] 09:50, 2 November 2016 (UTC).


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
== N sahi ==


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
@Bish: Have a look at and , plus edit history. Such incivility against @{{u|Joshua Jonathan}}. The disruption by @N sahi is high. Already identified to be a , @N sahi account blocked for 2 weeks and other named @Nrityam indef. @N sahi account needs a watch if the user returns. Sorry @JJ, but know you are valued and admired despite the generous dose of abusive words and nonsense thrown at you, every now and then. ] (]) 13:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
:Only two weeks for that character? I've asked Bbb23 about it, and also about the SPI page against you which one of their page moves created. It should be deleted IMO. ] &#124; ] 05:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC).


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::@Bish: Prolly @Bbb23 was just looking at the SPI case, and not the behavioral/PA/disruption/etc. I am clueless about the relevant guidelines on this, but 2 week block for 1st time SPI offenders may be the proportionate/appropriate thing to do. @Bbb23 did the right thing. Indeed, @N sahi is not just an SPI character. Incivility aside, that user disrupted the due SPI process by attempting to delete evidence and move the SPI case file name. Someone has deleted all that now. @JJ, others and I have a similar mess to wade through, recheck and clean up in Buddhism, Hinduism space articles that '@N sahi' socks edited over the last few months. ] (]) 14:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Hmmmm ==
::{{ping|RexxS}} Loved that "It only wobbles when you're not looking." thingy. LOL. ] (]) 14:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:::It's true. The nature photo in the edit notice — I hope you've noticed them — only changes when nobody's looking, too. ] &#124; ] 15:45, 5 November 2016 (UTC).


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
==Thank You==
]<small>]</small> 13:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC) Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).


== ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message ==
==Need an uninvolved admin==
At the thread ]. JzG's there, but he's involved. I've asked more than one admin, so no pressure. Thanks. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 23:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
:I've blocked the IP for a month. ] &#124; ] 05:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC).
* It could just be a coincidence. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 04:14, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
::I'll watchlist them, ]. But it could indeed. I'd think many, many people might register an account to make that edit. Have you thought of welcoming them? ] &#124; ] 10:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC).
:::Yeah, that was why I logged on right now, actually. Already done, and talk page watched for any questions they might have. I've got my fingers crossed this is just a coinkydink. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 13:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


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I need an interaction ban. Another editor has proposed a split for the Garage rock article and there is a discussion on the talk page there, and TheGracefulSlick has injected comments there that I do not take to be in good faith. He has also made borderline deletionist comments and gotton into unnecessary circumlocutions at ]. I feel that his comments in both threads should be redacted. While normally he would be entitled to say whatever he wants, I feel that, based on the situation with ALongStay, he should recuse himself of any negative commentary of my work in such forums. I'm sorry it has come to this, but things have gotten a lot worse between use in the last two weeks. I have given him a chance, and he keeps trying to undermine me. This is difficult because I acknowledge some kind things in the past. I don't know why he is doing this. I am asking for an interaction ban. I do not want him to be involved in any of the discussions around my work, whether it be Afd's, splits, etc. ] (]) 19:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I'm very sorry to see you're upset. I get that impression not only from the message above in itself, but also from the fact that you had to edit my page 13 times to leave it here. Please stay cool. My suggestion would be for you to walk away, at least for a while. I can't say that I see any obvious signs that TheGracefulSlick is posting in bad faith in those discussions. In any case, an interaction ban is not something that a single admin can place; you'd have to ask for it on AN or ANI. But please take a breath before you do, and think about it. I don't myself think you'd have much chance of getting what you ask for, especially as you and TGS have very similar editing interests, and can't realistically be expected to avoid each other. ] &#124; ] 19:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC).
::Bishonen in light of this, I must ask, would it be a good idea to ask for an article ban on Garagepunk until the split we are forming is complete? I want this transition to be smooth and he has shown some concerning signs that will muddy the process. Normally, I would consider him a great asset; however, this is more of a formatting and policy issue, something he hardly concerns himself with. He has already said he does not trust four capable users to handle the situation and that we will tear it to pieces . Another user at the discussion also pointed out Garagepunk's language of apparent ownership and total lack of faith in Ilovetopaint, an editor who practically specializes in genre articles . Garagepunk obviously denied ownership, but was still against any of the solutions (which used clear rationale) and still used comments that hinted at ownership because of his "hard work". His attempt at an interaction ban is another sign he is showing no faith in other users. Now, I associate with him more than any other user, so this is difficult to consider, but I may need to do the article can be split appropriately. What is your opinion?] (]) 04:22, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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:::Article ban? Are you out of your mind? We had only heard from a few people at that point, some of whose prescriptions are not in the best interests of the article--and I have a right to defend the article against mindless truncation. You of all people who watched me sweat and labor to build that article--how dare you say that. I don't own the article, but I've earned the right to sit at the decision making and crafting table you want to expel me from. Ilovetopaint goes around putting silly templates on all the GA articles accusing them of "synthesis" and the like--his methods are more often disruptive than helpful (but I admit he did a great job on the Good Vibrations article). He is over-obsessed with certain rules and guidelines to the point of fanatic fundamentalism, but misses the whole principle of why they are there. He often misunderstands the topics at hand and believes in copying from the source (never more than one source) ''ad verbatim'', which is problematic. He does not often see the necessity of viewing things in context. I'll have to admit that his harsh methods have challenged me to be a better editor--and I do always consider his point of view when he brings it up. He has a right to his opinions, but after I pushed hard to help get the whole big article to GA, I have a right to speak and contribute too. I will be a team player and work with everyone including him. No one has a monopoly on truth. ] (]) 06:12, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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::I just learned a new Wiki-term, ]. Interesting. Thanks. ] (]) 07:42, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
*] and ], there will be no article bans nor interaction bans, and I hope you can both remind yourselves of your good relationship before this happened and reach out to each other. Please meditate a little on that before you post again. ] &#124; ] 11:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC).
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Past disagreements ==
::There is no one I would more want to reach out to. But, I have understandable concerns right now. I am battling to keep an article I worked hard to help bring up to GA from getting torn to pieces. ] (]) 14:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


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The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
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:Thank you, ]. (And thank you for recusing from clerking the request.) I probably won't comment, as the circumstances are pretty simple and the arbs ought to be able to sort them out without me. ] &#124; ] 23:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC).


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== We are number one. ==
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


That was not an A7, as it was about a song. Moreover, there was a credible assertion of significance. Either one of those would have invalidated A7, let alone both. ] (]) 22:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC) ::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:Oh, I should have said A9, sorry. I don't think much of the credible assertion of significance — are you referring to the song having "gone viral", or being created for LazyTown? The second is the best, IMO, but not really good. But I'll think about it, I have to go to bed now. Thanks for getting in touch. ] &#124; ] 23:05, 6 November 2016 (UTC).
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::Gone viral. ] (]) 23:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't think that's a legitimate claim of significance, and I don't recall seeing it accepted as such, because it's far to easy to say, about anything. Sorry, you'd better take it to ]. ] &#124; ] 03:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC).
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


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Maybe the complaint could have been more diplomatically worded. The word "justiciable" has been in the news recently. I would say that ANI is the appropriate venue to deal with this:
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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
* ], who is an Islamic scholar, claimed that there were no contemporary records of where the Farewell Pilgrimage took place, thus ensuring that the commenters at the RfC would come to the wrong conclusion.


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Knowing the caption was incorrect he argued that it was "concise and to the point".
:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== November music ==
* He made a personal attack while misrepresenting the source, which said the picture could remotely be what he claimed if the author were making an abstruse point about Sunni theology but emphasised that this was simply an illiterate artist trying to make money by painting an illustration which would be pleasing to a shi'ite ruler.
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==You've got mail!==
* Pushing his POV after being informed that scholars rejected the idea that the picture is of Muhammad prohibiting intercalation.
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:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).


== My topic ban ==
* He made another personal attack with no diffs to support the allegations.
* Pushing a source which he says does not say the picture is not of Muhammad prohibiting intercalation while omitting to mention that it does not say that it ''is'' Muhammad prohibiting intercalation either.


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
* Deliberately misrepresenting the argument. The picture was painted 400 years after al - Biruni wrote his book and nobody had argued that the book was sectarian.


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
* Deliberately misrepresenting the source.


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
* Made the accusation that a participant had been falsifying other editors' comments, is dishonest, and accuses "editors of being biased, opinionated and obstinate". There are no diffs - I read the discussion and the words are not there.


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
For nine years there has been a consensus that the picture is irrelevant. AstroLynx and ] tag team to add it back every time other editors implement the consensus. In a final act of cynicism they have protected the article so that only they can make changes. Here are their reverts:


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
'''AstroLynx'''


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
2008 April 17, June 9. 2009 July 20, Dec. 7. 2010 April 14, 24, June 14, Aug.14, Nov. 16, Dec. 13. 2011 Jan. 25, June 30 (x2), July 27, 28, Aug. 25, Sept. 5, 9 (x3), Oct. 11, 14 (x2), 17, 18 (x2), 31, Dec. 9. 2012 Jan. 9, 23, Mar. 12, July 24, Aug. 20, Sept. 12, Oct. 19, 30, Nov. 12, 30, Dec. 17. 2013 Jan. 22. 2014 July 28, Oct. 15. 2015 Mar. 22, 23, April 13, July 16 (x2), Oct. 14.


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
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4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
2009 Oct. 30, Dec. 18. 2010 March 22, April 4, 14, 21, 24, May 21. 2011 April 24, May 1, 13, 27. 2012 July 9, 10. 2013 Nov. 9 (x2). 2014 Jan. 11, March 17, Aug. 20, Sept. 26, Oct. 15 (x2), 24, Nov. 19. 2015 Jan. 21, March 23 (x2), April 9, Sept. 16 (with the patronising edit summary "This again?"), Oct. 6.
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
NeilN is clearly ] in this content dispute but every time somebody raises the matter at talk he removes the comment and blocks them. This is abuse of tools.


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
Would you agree that ANI is the appropriate venue for the complaint? ] (]) 17:52, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
:Discussion on your talkpage..? You don't have a talkpage. Do you see the redlink for "talk" in your signature above? If you expect to discuss with others, and if you have any regard for their convenience, you'll create an account, so as to avoid, for instance now, me having to research my own contribs back in time to find what IP talkpage is in question.


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
:After digging out your original IP, 78.146.221.36, I have realized it's ''still blocked'' — a block that you're evading by posting here on my page. Apparently you don't understand a block is for the person, not for a particular account or IP. I must say I'm surprised; surely there wouldn't be much point in blocks if the person could freely jump to another IP and keep on editing? — also you could just as well have posted this message to me on ] — which is a page you're actually allowed to post on while blocked. Since your block evasion is so pointless, I'll ] that you did it innocently, and answer your question: yes, take it to ANI if you think there's any chance your complaint will get traction. Whatever account or IP you use to post an ANI complaint, please have the courtesy to provide ''links'' in it to , that I blocked you for, and to ], to give readers a chance to evaluate the situation and your prehistory. They won't appreciate a game of "guess who I am", like the one I had to play to find you. And of course '''don't take it to ANI, or post anywhere else, until your block has expired'''! If you do, I'll block your entire IP range.


:As for "Maybe the complaint could have been more diplomatically worded" (), no — it could have been less nonsensically and misleadingly worded — nothing to do with diplomacy. ] &#124; ] 18:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC). All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hey Bish. This person is actually banned: ]. I would strongly recommend against extending any AGF. I don't say this often about editors, but this one frequently flat out lies. More info: ] --] <sup>]</sup> 19:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
:::{{tps}} And a quick look at the LTA shows that out of the IP-addresses known to be frequently used by ''Vote X'' a whopping '''16 IPs''' are currently blocked, making the post here block evasion ''many'' times over. -&nbsp;'''Tom'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] ] 20:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
::::That list is probably a fraction of the IPs used. I know I've blocked VxfC at least 50-60 times but haven't added to the list. There's a reason why this editor caused Arbcom to contact the WMF and ask them to look into legal options for these types of cases. --] <sup>]</sup> 21:23, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
:::::Thanks for enlightening me, ] and ]; I didn't know much about that LTA. I don't suppose there's much point, but I've blocked the small range that 78.146.221.36 and 78.146.222.77 have been posting from. Doesn't look like it would do any harm anyway, see . Then, we've all got more than Misplaced Pages to worry about this morning, even without being Americans (as neither you nor I are). Sigh. I think I'm going to just go back to edit mode and meditate on the cranes. ] &#124; ] 11:39, 9 November 2016 (UTC).
::::::Oh, the cranes just turned into a fish. Oh well. That's the nature of my edit notice. ] &#124; ] 13:50, 9 November 2016 (UTC). :::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::::<small>And this is why... ;) ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 14:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)</small>
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
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:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::A crane that has crashed, just like the world economy is crashing around us today. The only one who is happy about the election outcome is probably George Bush, Jr., since he will now no longer be the least popular president ever in the US....
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
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== ARCA ==


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
The amendment request in which you were a listed party was withdrawn by the filer and is archived at ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ]] 20:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


== Plagiarism == == December music ==
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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
Hi, Am I supposed to post a response to your post on my talk page here? Please delete and let me know if not. Thanks.


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
Thanks for getting back to me so soon. I believe that the book may in fact have plagiarized the article, and not the other way around. I thought I might have jumped the gun. Frankly, despite a modest run at the copyright/plagiarism guidelines I was not certain whether or not it was. The book is entitled: The Esoteric Codex: Demigods of Classical Mythology by Brian Reineking.
The portions in question are:
The legend as a whole encapsulates Rome's ideas of itself, its origins and moral values. For modern scholarship, it remains one of the most complex and problematic of all foundation myths, particularly in the manner of Remus's death. Ancient historians had no doubt that Romulus gave his name to the city. Most modern historians believe his name a back-formation from the name Rome; the basis for Remus's name and role remain subjects of ancient and modern speculation. The myth was fully developed into something like an "official", chronological version in the Late Republican and early Imperial era; Roman historians dated the city's foundation to between 758 and 728 BC, and Plutarch reckoned the twins' birth year as 771 BC. A tradition that gave Romulus a distant ancestor in the semi-divine Trojan prince Aeneas was further embellished, and Romulus was made the direct ancestor of Rome's first Imperial dynasty. Possible historical bases for the broad mythological narrative remain unclear and disputed. The image of the she-wolf suckling the divinely fathered twins became an iconic representation of the city and its founding legend, making Romulus and Remus preeminent among the feral children of ancient mythography.--From the article's lead section.
And the entire "Legend in ancient sources" section.
Let me know how I can help.Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 01:09, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
CORRECTION: The entire lead of the "Legend in ancient sources.Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 01:15, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
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: {{tps}} The book, is published by Lulu - an immediate "red flag" (see ] for background), so it's not a reliable source and shouldn't be used on Misplaced Pages. Its publication date is 13 Mar 2016, and it's plagiarised from our article since the text beginning "{{tq|The legend as a whole encapsulates Rome's ideas of itself ...}}" from page 219 of the book appears identically word-for-word as the third paragraph of the lead of . Hope that helps. --] (]) 02:48, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
::Still confused. I'm sorry to be so seemingly dense, but should I delete the passages? I'm sorry, I've never dealt with plagiarism before and the wiki help was of no real... well, help.] (]) 02:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Per ]'s post on your page, and RexxS above, the "book" copied Misplaced Pages, not the other way around, so no, don't delete the passages, ]. And thanks very much for drawing attention to it. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC).


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Just curious ==


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bish. I was just wondering what is that creature on the top left of the anime girl in your userpage? Btw, is your contents box intentionally tilted cuz I'm kind of worried it's just me. :| (] (]) 06:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC))
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Creature? Do you mind? That's ], a very ancient creature. Compare . Oh, no, don't tell me the table of contents fell over again? No idea why that keeps happening. Could be something to do with ]. ] &#124; ] 19:35, 10 November 2016 (UTC).
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::<small>{{tpw}} You know ''perfectly'' well :p it's because the ToC managed to help itself to the mini-bar last night. ''Who'' left the door open?! ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 19:43, 10 November 2016 (UTC)</small>
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).


== Donald Trump Biased Language == == Métis Nation British Columbia ==


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen,
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revert ==
] has made a subsequent edit since my last one. Therefore, it is impossible to self-revert at this point, and consensus has been reached between us. In addition, I did not violate the 1 revert per day rule, as my last revert was over 1 day ago.


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
In any event, the article now reads "pro-life" and "pro-choice", and therefore no longer has a biased tinge to it. Prior to my (and Calliopenjen's) edits, it read "anti-abortion" and "abortion-rights", which was extremely biased! If you were going to use the term "abortion-rights", then you would need to use "fetal rights" rather than "anti-abortion".


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
Please discuss issues on the talk page prior to posting warnings on user's WP pages. Also, please review content and provide a compromise edit (like Calliopenjen did) in order to reach consensus. ] (]) 02:00, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
:By the way I don't have a preference between pro-life/pro-choice and anti-abortion/abortion-rights. I only think that "pro-abortion" is highly objectionable. ] (]) 02:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
:I'm glad that's resolved. ], you made and then partially reverted to it three times in some 18 hours, resoundingly violating the 1RR rule. I don't understand your argument that you didn't do that because it's ''now'' more than a day since you perpetrated those edits (which incidentally isn't true). I'm quite baffled by it. Also you shouldn't have reverted at all, even once, as that already violated the other restriction "All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating ''any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)''. If in doubt, don't make the edit." Italics in original. Ignoring both the restrictions gave you a strong advantage in attempting to edit war your change into the article, since the ''other'' editors felt constrained by 1RR. Admins aren't allowed to both edit an article and act on it in an admin capacity. I don't edit it (as Calliopejen1 and several other admins do) and thus I don't provide any compromise edits. If I did, I wouldn't be able to warn people about violations such as yours in an admin capacity, or sanction them, but now I can. Now that you're aware of the restrictions, please abide by them. ] &#124; ] 07:42, 11 November 2016 (UTC).


==Io Saturnalia!==
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== Season's Greetings ==
:: In any event, I am fine with Calliopejen1's version. I have posted on the talk page as you have recommended.
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
:: I am not fine with the previous version, which contained blatantly biased language. It used the term 'anti-abortion', which has negative connotations, and 'abortion-rights', which has positive connotations. This would be like using the terms 'anti-life', which has negative connotations, and 'fetal-rights', which has positive connotations. I'm sure you would agree articles must hold a neutral point of view. ] (]) 19:17, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
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:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Hope you are doing well ==
I have concerns about the edits of ] to the article ]. As you know, this article is under general sanctions.
]
I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


==Merry Christmas!==
First, this editor has been adding poorly sourced content to support what appears to be a bias against the person in this biography. For example, was a sloppy summary of the source cited, and was not supported by the source cited. When the edit was removed, the editor reverted with the edit summary "Show references to the effect instead of deleting the existing ones." This is not how ] works. The editor later added references from a personal blog.
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==Joyous Season==
On the article's talk page this editor made statement where they lament "Unfortunately, the courts had not caught up yet with Ebell to make him stop -an now under Trump's wing, he likely won't be stopped for a long time." Editing this article seems to be a political mission for this editor, which is certainly contrary to ]. This editor also left a message on my talk page warning me to "Please keep your Republican tags and opinion." This editor, in my opinion, has demonstrated an inability to remain impartial when editing this article, and a willingness to intimidate other editors who do not edit with his or her bias. Thank you for your attention to this. ] (]) 03:55, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! {{smiley|christmas}} Whether you celebrate ], ], ], ], ] or your hemisphere's ], this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. ] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <br />
:All those entries are facts of his career. You can't erase his past. ] (]) 03:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC)


<small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{]:]}} to your fellow editors' talk pages</small>.
'''Comment''' - Please note that a caution about discretionary sanctions was left on BatteryIncluded's talk page . I have concerns that this caution was not effective, and that this editor has continued to intimidate other editors of ]. After that caution, another editor was called an "idiot" . Please note that I have expressed my concern about this editor at ]. I also looked at ] and found disturbing comments made by BatteryIncluded about other editors:
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* - called an editor "obnoxious and unethical".
* - "cut the bullshit".
* - "cut the bullshit".
* - "You have no interest in building this encyclopedia, so go FYS and go edit comic books or something with a low scientific threshold".


] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
This editor's sentiment is clearly articulated with edit, where they state "Now that Trump has been elected, it doesn't much matter ... human civilization on this planet is soon over. I will still call out this sort of BS, but I won't waste any more time on you."


== Season's Greetings ==
Intimidation of other editors is not helpful to the project, and will certainly not enable the positive, honest and well-sourced growth of the Myron Ebell article.


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This editor is well aware of the discretionary sanctions on that article. I appreciate your attention to this. If you feel it would be better to pursue this at ANI, please let me know. Thank you. ] (]) 14:00, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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:Yes, ], I do think ANI would be better, for more eyes. ] &#124; ] 15:26, 11 November 2016 (UTC).
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(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
== Polyenetian a liar, exaggerator, troll ==


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== Happy Holidays! ==


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This guy is a total maniac. If I'm not mistaken he is the same troll who used to write about how many Africans died, how many people were massacred.
He is extremely offensive. He's been allowed to manipulate[REDACTED] all this time to fullfill his negative and hateful agenda.


] (]) is wishing you a ] ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
I promise I'm not going to write anything nasty to him, I just want to make a very short reply. I just want him to know I replied and after this message I'm not going to write to him anymore.


''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
He is also the type of guy who cherry pick sources from written google books and exaggerate his edits and it doesn't if the sources are reliable or unreliable. He will mis-interpret it to his willing direction. He properly used a new ip address again.
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:I agree with you to a certain extent. Compare , who reverted your edit on Polyenetian's page. I've removed Polyenetian's part of the quarrel too, as perhaps you saw. But no, the semiprotection stands, in other words you can't make a reply on the page, short or otherwise. I don't see what good it could do. If you believe he's editing logged out, or has used other accounts before, feel free to tell me about it. I wish you could e-mail me... but IPs can't. Look, I don't understand why you don't create an account. IPs tend to be treated with less respect, as you can see in the way you were reverted. ] &#124; ] 13:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC).
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::Is there anyway to message him privately? right now I simply just want to reply him so I can rebuke all of his garbage exaggerated claims. I want to teach him a lesson but I will not do it on[REDACTED] however I don't know how how else to contact him. Please show me a way.
::] (]) 05:28, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I don't know a way. You could try googling the account name and see if a facebook account or something comes up. Misplaced Pages isn't about "rebuking" — what's the point, if he's all you say? ] &#124; ] 13:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC).


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:::: How do you stop people who plays by the rules but have such bad intentions in their wiki edits? For example you can see that in his talk page ], he insist on editing massacre of about 40,000 Manchus by the Taiping rebels in nanjing however despite reverting his edits multiple times he still continues. A person like who have a agenda to talk about the massacres of other ethnicity, he clearly enjoys it but do you moderator do anything about it? ] (]) 08:23, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm unfamiliar with the area myself. The place to appeal to "you moderators" is ], but I'm not holding out high hopes. Nationalist warriors are one of Misplaced Pages's most intractable problems. ] &#124; ] 16:46, 11 November 2016 (UTC).
::::::His recent edits "The Thirty Years' War brought tremendous destruction to the Germany, '''more than 1/4 of the population and 1/2 of the male population in the German states were killed''' by the catastrophic war" https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=History_of_Germany&diff=prev&oldid=749152324


::::::and many Armenians have a hateed Turkish people primarily due to the Armenian Genocide of 1915 and ] by Turkey '''which killed an estimate of 1.5 million Armenians'''. ::::::https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anti-Turkism&diff=prev&oldid=749125507


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:::::: It's very obvious the point of his edits is massive number of deaths of other ethnic groups ] (]) 15:48, 12 November 2016


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:::::::: Okay than this will be my last reply. I just don't know why it takes so long to stop someone who clearly have nothing more but evil intentions, why is he is still free to edit whatever he wants? at least remove his ability to edit. And also none of the moderators did anything to remove his repetitive exaggerated evil crap on the cantonese people main page, I had to do it and keep an eye on him and his lying bad intentions edits. ] (]) 16:05, 12 November 2016


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== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
== Businesstoday123 block ==


]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, I reverted an edit of ] earlier, and noticed the user has now been blocked. Was the user really posting promotional content? I can't see the user's deleted revisions, but based on the user's prior ], it looked like the user was trying to create an English translation of the French-language ] article.—Laoris&nbsp;(]) 19:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:I see what you mean, {{yo|Laoris}}. The user's English is about on a par with my French, but I can see it's a version. The deleted contributions were simply an article containing a shorter version of the post at ], so they wouldn't tell you much. I deleted the article after Businesstoday had blanked it, which is a speedy deletion criterion (]). I thought it was pretty disruptive to post it at ], thereby blanking a considerable part of the content that was there. And I saw "prominent", "prestigious", "flagship", "great success", "pioneering", "innovative" in there, so I jumped to the conclusion that this was one of the many spammers who insert advertising on random pages. Perhaps I've become jaded... I see now that this might simply have been a newbie who knew a "red link" means an uncreated article and thought that was the place to put an article. Well, sort of. I'll unblock. (They've already been told their username is dodgy and should be changed, I see.) Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. ] &#124; ] 20:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC).
::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thanks for revisiting this. Undoubtedly the translation quality was not up to par (looks like maybe Google Translate, actually) and missing all the refs, etc., so I don't fault you for the assumption. Looks like the original article was pretty long too, so I don't know if anyone would have been willing to bring the translation up to standards. And thanks for all you do around here!—Laoris&nbsp;(]) 20:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)


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== January music ==
Hi. I noticed that Maslowsneeds is potentially using an IP, geolocated to NY also the residence of Maslowsneeds, to prove again the same point and going as far as calling editors "sadists". I don't know what course of action could be taken from here, but I am sensing NOTHERE right now. Thoughts? Pinging {{ping|Doug Weller}} for his analysis. ] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ] ] 04:57, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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::Perhaps you have the wrong IP? The IP I was referring to was {{user|2604:2000:9046:800:DDDE:8915:FDD9:2BD5}}. ] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ] ] 07:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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:::That one only has one contribution, but its /64 range (=the same person) has some suggestive ones. IMO this is an occasion for Doug to use his CU tools (or ask another CU if there's something wrong with him doing it). ] &#124; ] 10:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC).
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], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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Today a violinist from Turkey, ], whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --] (]) 22:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
I noticed you seem to be online right now. As an uninvolved admin, would you mind ]? It's kind-of descended into a gay bashing lynch mob and, after being told to "drink my semen" , I think I'm too involved to close it myself without risking it being reopened. Thanks. ] (]) 19:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
:Nah, I was chillin' in the snow, ]. (Greatest November snowfall in this city since 1905 when records began. Looked a bit like the ] image in my edit notice, if it's still there when you read this.) Apparently another admin has closed it. ] &#124; ] 20:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC).
::No worries, and sorry to harass you with bookkeeping requests! I haven't seen snow in two years so I'm defo jealous. Have a good night. ] (]) 01:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


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== Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef? ==

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that {{checkuser|Dev0745}}'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them ], have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an ], and I should just accept the ''fait accompli'' and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan <em>politics</em> instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.{{pb}}<em>On the other hand</em>, we have ], which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by ] as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted ] that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @] (previous block), @] (previous TBAN), and @] (general expertise). <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. ] &#124; ] 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.] <small>(])</small> 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That sounds like a good idea. @]: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of {{tq|boosterism}}; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. ] (]) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. ] (]) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:@]: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from '''politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan'''. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

::As you wish. ] (]) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Quick question ==


Hello, Hello,


I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Hi, {{u|3OpenEyes}}. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the ] requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- ] &#124; ] 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Bhjbggoonnv SPI ==

Hi,

I tried to make an SPI but as an IP user I was unfortunately not able to so I came here instead. I strongly believe is using a new account ever since you implemented a ban for this editor. New account was created only days after Bhjbggoonnv was banned and one of its first edits was to vote Keep the article which was created by which was very suspicious. I discovered also many other blatant give aways showing they are operated by the same individual.

Both accounts edited ] which is a very obscure article: - . In the latter edit, OrebroVi adds a wikilink to ], whose mention was first added by Bhjbggoonnv. This an article Bhjbggoonnv . OrebroVi also made identical edits to this on who created this think tank and this edit is identical to the initial edit on Martin Kramer, and they all added the label Islamophobic.

On ], they as they were attempting to cite the ] as a source. It just so happens that Bhjbggoonnv created said article.

There are major resemblances in terms of language they use. On ], both accounts have made similar edits and used identical edit summaries like "Referenced addition": - . Both accounts have used this exact edit summary dozens of times each.


On the ] article, which is again a very obscure article, both accounts also made very similar edits and again used "Referenced addition": -
== Richard Pombo ==


One final example on ] where both accounts made both added Israel as an opponent of the group but were they reverted both times: -
Hello - thank you for flagging. I'm new to this and am hoping to make numerous edits to bring a page of a living person into better context. To me, it's obvious a majority of the page was written by someone with a biased viewpoint during a snapshot in time (ca 2006). This is evidenced by some of the wording being written in the present tenseSince many of the links are dead and from those links still available it appears the articles were cherry picked for the worst evidence against the subject, I hope to create a more objective page reflecting both sides of evidence, deleting potentially libelous claims, and later would like to add some of the contributions of the subject.


I found more examples of similarity but I think this is quite enough to show a definitive proof of the connection between Bhjbggoonnv and OrebroVi.
Also, the structure currently doesn't make much sense. For example, early on, the page summarizes the 1992 - 2004 elections and then moves to "political positions" to "environmental record" to "controversies" and then...to the 2006 election. Upon closer reading, the sections in-between 2004 election and the 2006 election all deal with issues that were more topical in the context of the 2006 election. I would like to move the 2006 election summary up so it follows the 2004 election. Some of the information in "political positions," "environmental record," and "controversies" can be condensed and added within these areas.


It would be much appreciated if you would take a look. ] (]) 15:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
The current page spends more time on the 2006 election and "corruption" allegations, but there is no conclusion. And many of the allegations, upon further review, have no source to back it up. The article also fails to mention successes of the subject, awards given, and never states that the subject wasn't formally investigated, no charges were filed, and the subject was never prosecuted.
: A very extensive comparison of the editing history of the two accounts has left me without any doubt that this is the same person. I have blocked the sockpuppet indefinitely. I'm also inclined to make the bock on the original account indefinite, but I thought I would consult you, Bishonen, rather than doing it unilaterally. What do you think? ] (]) 23:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry, ], my new computer is messing with me. I do agree, and I note {{u|Vanamonde93}} has now CU-blocked Bhjbggoonnv. And thank you for the information, IP 86.xxx, much appreciated. I was not indeed ignoring you on purpose. ] &#124; ] 09:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC).


== Own block ==
I would be happy to work with an editor to make the improvements to the page. Thank you! ] (]) 06:12, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


I've read ], and I accept the conditions. Please block me. Thank you very much! ] (]) 15:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for your comments, ]. Those alerts I gave you don't imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions, as it says at the top. I've moved your note down — please post at the bottom of talkpages. It's the convention, and your posts risk being overlooked if you put them at the top. ] &#124; ] 09:27, 13 November 2016 (UTC).
:Blocked for two weeks, hope you feel better soon. ] &#124; ] 16:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC).
==Spider6man==
Have a look at their and edits after they were unblocked , I think they are ].- ] (]) 16:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. Four blocks in three weeks is certainly alarming. As soon as one block expires, it's a matter of hours before the next has to be applied. Now they have just been blocked for a month by {{u|Doug Weller}}; if there's more disruption after that, I'd definitely recommend an indef. ] &#124; ] 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC).


== Something you may want to look into ==
::Sorry about that, ]. This is a new world to me. Help me know what I'm waiting for now? Is it for someone to review what I tried to change? ] (]) 17:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


See ] and ]. Almost all edits reverted (those not tagged were often manually reverted when I checked them), and the editor seems determined to push a racist, right-wing POV since April of '22. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 18:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Rencoyote}} Not exactly, no. Did you notice ]'s alert on your page, telling you there's a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved? The idea is that you should take part in that discussion — that's why he alerted you. The noticeboard is big, but is the specific discussion. Post below me.
:Wow. Indeffed. Hello there, ]. ] &#124; ] 20:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC).
::You are as decisive, swift and efficient (and gorgeous) as always. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 21:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)


== Hi ==
:::Another thing: I don't know if you have discovered the article's . There you can see ], who is a very experienced administrator, ] your edits, with the comment that you had removed a lot of sourced criticism. You have edited nothing but this article on Misplaced Pages, and in a way that removed criticism of the subject, so you should realize people may think you have a connection with Richard Pombo. If you have, please say so — it's actually better to get that out of the way before posting at the noticeboard. You can declare any connection right here on my page if you like, and I'll tell you what to do next. {{yo|JzG}}, if this new user goes to ANI, could you perhaps post there as well, or on their page if you prefer? They clearly need guidance. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 13 November 2016 (UTC).


If I should shut up then you have my permission to tell me that. ] (]) 18:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Bishonen}} I appreciate the feedback, and yes, I have no problem saying I know Richard Pombo. Have never visited his wiki page until two days ago and was surprised to see it looked like a time capsule from 2006 with a few 2010 additions. So I'd like to see a more balanced portrayal. Am a moderately heavy[REDACTED] user but have never felt the need to correct anything, because you guys do a nice job. :) ] (]) 19:00, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:I don't actually think you're helping, no. If I had a penny for every time I've seen the statement "reblocks are cheap", I'd be a moderately wealthy woman. It's completely untrue; reblocks are very expensive, in terms of time, effort, and patience. And here you are with the variant "it's easy to reinstate the topic ban". No, it isn't easy, it's hard. Therefore, I need certain undertakings before I lift this ban, and your telling Mark what you think he should say simply makes anything he does say less credible. ] &#124; ] 20:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC).
::::I'm not able to post at ] (]) 19:08, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
::OK, thank you. Sometimes I am too optimistic, sometimes I am not optimistic enough; it is difficult to find the balance. I do think that it ''should'' be easy to reblock/retopicban, but not everything is as it should be of course. ] (]) 21:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)


== Oh God ==
:::::Oh, bad luck. I see the page has been temporarily protected from editing by new users (of less than four days' tenure). That'll be because of heavy vandalism. You've only been here two days. Hmm. I'll try to wave a magic wand to give you permission to edit the page. Done. Please try again, it should be OK now. However, saying that you know Pombo is a little vague, sorry. Please see ]: is Pombo a family member of yours, a friend, a client, an employer? Any external relationship can trigger a ]. Conflict of interest editing is strongly discouraged. You can read all about the niceties of that at ]. ] &#124; ] 19:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC).


These four years are going to be so much worse than the first four years. I thought maybe you were unfairly paraphrasing, but nope.... ] (]) 22:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for the permissions, ] (]) 20:26, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:No, sadly. This is the most extreme example I've seen, but there's lesser trouble surrounding ]'s name which at least is actually subject to executive orders, unlike international waters (just wait 'til hurricane season though). I've seen some BLP trouble too concerning Mark Milley, and doubtless there are others I haven't seen. Pretty much anything on the culture war agenda is likely to flare up. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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::Now ] has had to be protected '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::: {{reply to |Rencoyote}} I've left a note for you at ], hopefully giving you a nudge in the direction of what to do next. I would also encourage you to pick up your discussions about Richard Pombo at that talk page. Eventually, your thoughts will be more useful for other editors who will find them there, than in 'Shonen's talk page archive. Hope that helps. --] (]) 21:39, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:{{ec}} And when I wrote my comment, I hadn't even read the person's posts on their own talkpage (which showed to satisfaction that no, they weren't trolling, they were simply... putting us right). Now I'm wondering if the people who recommended a page-block at ] had read that stuff on their own page. Hmm. You know, once upon a time, I p-blocked somebody from their own talkpage - from that only, not anything else — because they were using it to insult people. That was fun, especially when they took me to ANI, hehe. Maybe I should do it for this guy too? ] &#124; ] 22:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC).
::I gave him the ANI option. In any case, I filled out the CT paperwork in case somebody, somewhere, takes exception. I hope the raw jingoism settles down after a couple of days, to be replaced by earnest policy-based sealioning. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 22:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


== Kind attention: Bishonen and admins active here ==
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Hi Bishonen.. you must be doing great! A comparatively new user, who has hardly encountered me while editing, has brought baseless allegations against me at ]! The user doesn't demand any ban or block, but wants a warning to be issued! I am not sure, but can smell meatpuppetry, since the user hardly interacted with me but has come up with pretty old comments by Sitush without context! I would like to hear from you or other admins active on this talk page! Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 07:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Thanks Bishonen for your comments! I would like to keep you informed that Sitush is referring to my response at a time when Nobita's sock was driving a discussion and I had filed an SPI! Therefore, I was delaying the discussion in order to eliminate the sock from the same. Sitush has been quoted out of context! Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 12:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
(talk) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

The Admin's Barnstar

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual[REDACTED] editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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just so you know...

Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Replied and actioned. Bishonen | tålk 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

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Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy New Year, Bishonen!

Happy New Year!

Bishonen,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
Dympies (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Today I have a composer (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with another who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef?

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that Dev0745 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them in 2023, have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an adverse possession unblock, and I should just accept the fait accompli and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan politics instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.

On the other hand, we have this edit, which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by BhagyaMani as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted at AN that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @RegentsPark (previous block), @El_C (previous TBAN), and @Abecedare (general expertise). -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.RegentsPark (comment) 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. @Dev0745: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of boosterism; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. BhagyaMani (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. Dev0745 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dev0745: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
As you wish. Dev0745 (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, 3OpenEyes. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the Extended confirmed protection requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- Bishonen | tålk 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Bhjbggoonnv SPI

Hi,

I tried to make an SPI but as an IP user I was unfortunately not able to so I came here instead. I strongly believe Bhjbggoonnv is using a new account ever since you implemented a ban for this editor. New account OrebroVi was created only days after Bhjbggoonnv was banned and one of its first edits was to vote Keep the article Faris Al-Hammadi which was created by Bhjbggoonnv which was very suspicious. I discovered also many other blatant give aways showing they are operated by the same individual.

Both accounts edited Martin Kramer which is a very obscure article: Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi. In the latter edit, OrebroVi adds a wikilink to Middle East Forum, whose mention was first added by Bhjbggoonnv. This an article Bhjbggoonnv edit warred on. OrebroVi also made identical edits to this on Daniel Pipes who created this think tank and this edit is identical to the initial edit on Martin Kramer, and they all added the label Islamophobic.

On Quranic studies, they edit warred as they were attempting to cite the Yaqeen Institute as a source. It just so happens that Bhjbggoonnv created said article.

There are major resemblances in terms of language they use. On Islamism, both accounts have made similar edits and used identical edit summaries like "Referenced addition": Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi. Both accounts have used this exact edit summary dozens of times each.

On the Pilegesh article, which is again a very obscure article, both accounts also made very similar edits and again used "Referenced addition": Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi

One final example on Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham where both accounts made both added Israel as an opponent of the group but were they reverted both times: Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi

I found more examples of similarity but I think this is quite enough to show a definitive proof of the connection between Bhjbggoonnv and OrebroVi.

It would be much appreciated if you would take a look. 86.187.239.124 (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

A very extensive comparison of the editing history of the two accounts has left me without any doubt that this is the same person. I have blocked the sockpuppet indefinitely. I'm also inclined to make the bock on the original account indefinite, but I thought I would consult you, Bishonen, rather than doing it unilaterally. What do you think? JBW (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, JBW, my new computer is messing with me. I do agree, and I note Vanamonde93 has now CU-blocked Bhjbggoonnv. And thank you for the information, IP 86.xxx, much appreciated. I was not indeed ignoring you on purpose. Bishonen | tålk 09:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC).

Own block

I've read User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks, and I accept the conditions. Please block me. Thank you very much! MathKeduor7 (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Blocked for two weeks, hope you feel better soon. Bishonen | tålk 16:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC).

Spider6man

Have a look at their block log and edits after they were unblocked , I think they are WP:NOTHERE.- Ratnahastin (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. Four blocks in three weeks is certainly alarming. As soon as one block expires, it's a matter of hours before the next has to be applied. Now they have just been blocked for a month by Doug Weller; if there's more disruption after that, I'd definitely recommend an indef. Bishonen | tålk 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC).

Something you may want to look into

See Special:Contributions/Jkwon55 and User talk:Jkwon55#January 2025. Almost all edits reverted (those not tagged were often manually reverted when I checked them), and the editor seems determined to push a racist, right-wing POV since April of '22. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Wow. Indeffed. Hello there, Mr Hammerpants. Bishonen | tålk 20:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC).
You are as decisive, swift and efficient (and gorgeous) as always. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi

If I should shut up then you have my permission to tell me that. Polygnotus (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't actually think you're helping, no. If I had a penny for every time I've seen the statement "reblocks are cheap", I'd be a moderately wealthy woman. It's completely untrue; reblocks are very expensive, in terms of time, effort, and patience. And here you are with the variant "it's easy to reinstate the topic ban". No, it isn't easy, it's hard. Therefore, I need certain undertakings before I lift this ban, and your telling Mark what you think he should say simply makes anything he does say less credible. Bishonen | tålk 20:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC).
OK, thank you. Sometimes I am too optimistic, sometimes I am not optimistic enough; it is difficult to find the balance. I do think that it should be easy to reblock/retopicban, but not everything is as it should be of course. Polygnotus (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh God

These four years are going to be so much worse than the first four years. I thought maybe you were unfairly paraphrasing, but nope.... Floquenbeam (talk) 22:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

No, sadly. This is the most extreme example I've seen, but there's lesser trouble surrounding Denali's name which at least is actually subject to executive orders, unlike international waters (just wait 'til hurricane season though). I've seen some BLP trouble too concerning Mark Milley, and doubtless there are others I haven't seen. Pretty much anything on the culture war agenda is likely to flare up. Acroterion (talk) 22:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Now Panama Canal has had to be protected Acroterion (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
(edit conflict) And when I wrote my comment, I hadn't even read the person's posts on their own talkpage (which showed to satisfaction that no, they weren't trolling, they were simply... putting us right). Now I'm wondering if the people who recommended a page-block at WP:XRV had read that stuff on their own page. Hmm. You know, once upon a time, I p-blocked somebody from their own talkpage - from that only, not anything else — because they were using it to insult people. That was fun, especially when they took me to ANI, hehe. Maybe I should do it for this guy too? Bishonen | tålk 22:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC).
I gave him the ANI option. In any case, I filled out the CT paperwork in case somebody, somewhere, takes exception. I hope the raw jingoism settles down after a couple of days, to be replaced by earnest policy-based sealioning. Acroterion (talk) 22:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Kind attention: Bishonen and admins active here

Hi Bishonen.. you must be doing great! A comparatively new user, who has hardly encountered me while editing, has brought baseless allegations against me at WP:AE! The user doesn't demand any ban or block, but wants a warning to be issued! I am not sure, but can smell meatpuppetry, since the user hardly interacted with me but has come up with pretty old comments by Sitush without context! I would like to hear from you or other admins active on this talk page! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Bishonen for your comments! I would like to keep you informed that Sitush is referring to my response at a time when Nobita's sock was driving a discussion and I had filed an SPI! Therefore, I was delaying the discussion in order to eliminate the sock from the same. Sitush has been quoted out of context! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 12:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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