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			== Re: 'Xinjiang' in ] ==
	Your clarification request has been archived at ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ]] 15:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
			I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in ] because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not ''trying ''to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —] (]) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Peter coxhead}} You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective ] interpretation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? ] (]) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::All interpretations of ] are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh ] in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, ], ], the mountain ranges of the ] and the ]). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved ]; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.
			::Secondly, also for you {{ping|Peter coxhead|p=}}, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of ]—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —] (]) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is ''not'' a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are ''kinda'' in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to ] as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and ''definitely not'' "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).
			:::I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to ] as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "]" and "]" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase ] and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our ] article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is ''not'' an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)
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			::::BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument ''against'' using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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	I was going to post this to the RSN thread until I realized I was dragging back up the inappropriate, generalized discussion. It's a response to your latest post there, and I thought you might appreciate it, so I'll post it here, instead.
	:{{tq|The point is that a negative review of that claims that the resurrection is a historically verifiable fact is a WP:FRINGE source that cannot be taken as reliable if we are trying to write from a neutral point of view when they treat the miracle claims of Christians, and only Christians, as historically verifiable.|italic=yes}}
	:That illustrates exactly why the study of history, according to every reputable historian I've ever heard address the issue as well as my own opinion, should be done from a secular point of view. Because doing it from a religious POV virtually ''requires'' you to assume miracles took place, and as Ehrman himself (and others!) has pointed out, the job of historians is to determine what ''probably'' happened, while miracles are by definition, the ''least'' likely explanation. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 13:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
	::Of course, history is not a science, but ] appears to be generally applied across the board. That is why none of Ehrman's critics have teaching positions in secular universities; their methods of doing history simply are not accepted by modern (I wanna say "post-Enlightenment", but I'm not actually sure of the history of the philosophy of history) scholarship. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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			Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, ] (]) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
	This is related to your creation of the "This guy is blocked for battleground behaviour" at Curley Turkey's talk page. Let me remind you that further battleground behavior will result in blocks significantly longer than the one Calvin999 is currently undergoing. ] (]) 03:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}} I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.
			:I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.{{ping|Nardog}} I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally ''dis''agreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.
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	{{unblock reviewed | 1=Exactly which PAG I violated is unclear, as the blocking admin variously cited WP:BATTLEGROUND () and WP:CIVIL (). I said that a user who deserved to be blocked for battleground behaviour months ago had finally been blocked for such behaviour, and expressed satisfaction at this point; three other users, including one admin, agreed, and actively defended the discussion. Per WP:CIVIL#Blocking for incivility, civility blocks are not supposed to be made without warning, but I was blocked suddenly, several days and around a hundred edits after the purported offense. If I had been told to retract my comments or be blocked, I would have happily done the former; Nyttend apparently assumed I would refuse, and redacted my comments for me, blocking me without warning two days after the fact. Also, no explanation was provided for me alone being blocked for saying the same things as three other users. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC) | decline= cannot be seen as anything but grave dancing. You decided to participate in the exact same type of behaviour that got another blocked and you found ''so'' rewarding. Since you don't seem to realize how this was inappropriate I don't think an unblock would make sense. As for warnings, you have been here for 11 years and have received both warnings and blocks for civility and battleground behaviour in the past so I don't think you were unaware of our expectations of civility. ] 02:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)}}
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	:I've never received a civility block before, and if I received such a warning it must have been a long time ago, as I don't remember it. I received a short block for "battleground" behaviour on an article a few months ago, but my "opponent" was blocked for the same length of time as the then-recent disruption was mutual, and the blocking admin in later comments appeared to express more sympathy with me than with the other blocked user (although I might have read that in). This is not really comparable to expressing satisfaction that someone who caused me trouble a while back but evaded a block has finally been blocked. If at that time my "opponent" had been blocked because of an unrelated dispute, and I posted on someone else's talk page expressing relief that he had finally been blocked, and I had been warned that such behaviour was inappropriate, then the connection would be more apt.
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	:And I am still in the dark as to why neither ] nor ] were blocked or warned for engaging in the same Schadenfreude as I? (Curly Turkey did the same, but a message was left on his talk page by Nyttend, so he was technically warned.)
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	:::No, both Curly Turkey and Signedzzz have similar block logs to me; the word "battleground" in my most recent block before you blocked me was not really appropriate, as both CurtisNaito and I were blocked for something more resembling "edit-warring; personal attacks and/or disruptive editing on an article talk page". I did not call the blocking admin out for this poor wording at the time, as I did not anticipate having a technical error in my block log directly leading to further sanctions down the road. I appreciate that the admin corps have a lot of shit to put up with, and you in particular have done a lot of good in my past interactions with you, and overall you probably use your admin tools to do a lot more good than harm, which is why I don't particularly want to push this any further than it needs to go. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:20, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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	:::{{ping|Floquenbeam}} Re : I was not involved in the MaranoFan/Calvin999 dispute -- I don't even know who MaranoFan is, except that the name showed up a bunch on Calvin999's talk page, and on ANI when I was also very active there. (In fact, the only mainspace page was ], and our edits were almost ten years apart.) Calvin999 and I had a dispute last August/September over Calvin999 auto-passing a GA review for a friend of his, without seriously analyzing the article's sourcing, and "aggressively" defending this action. I understand that much of Calvin999 and MaranoFan's dispute apparently also involves GAs or FAs or some such, but I may be wrong, as I have no other contact with either editor, and both seem to be focused almost exclusively on western popular music, a topic I have ''never'' edited in any volume. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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			I just saw at '']''. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions (). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --] (]) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			:I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, . Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. ] 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
	I have a quick question for you, feel free not to answer if you don't want to. Are you male or female? I only ask because, for some reason, something feels wrong about seeing another editor refer to you using male pronouns. I've stuck with gender neutral ones until now, but that can be clunky. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">] ]</span> 15:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
			:I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."
			:Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is ''specifically'' about Japanese poetry (the ] article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about ] content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.
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	:{{re|Asilah1981}} You were ... But Veritas2016 was blocked as a sock, so opening a new SPI to verify that Derekitou is one as well shouldn't be too hard. Honestly, though, I'm not seeing it: Derekitou was active before DifensorFidelis was blocked, and given that the IP admitted to socking there's a possibility that a roaming CU already checked and if they did they would have almost certainly blocked Derekitou if they were the same person. You'd have an uphill battle proving that Veritas2016 ''is'' Derekitou and is ''not'' DifensorFidelis now that Veritas2016 has been blocked as a DifensorFidelis sock. If we had evidence of possible sleepers a day ago CU wouldn't have been rejected... ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:49, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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			I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? ]<sup>]</sup> 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			:I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. ] (<small>]]</small>) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			:::You responded to my that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the ''buke'' class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert ] citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article ]. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book ''African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan'' by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a '']'': "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.
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			:{{re|Goszei}} I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of ''Japanese'' history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.
			:As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially ]. As for Japanese usage, ''Kojien'' gives the primary meaning of "same as ''saburai'', i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the ] (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).
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			::BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime '']'': the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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	You have figured out why the revert - per unencyclopedic language, which is placed in the lede and is not supported by the body. Imperfect and evil - yes, stupid - no. ] (]) 09:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
	:It is supported by the body. The demiurge in gnostic beliefs is almost always an evil or stupid entity. This is just a commonly accepted fact. The word "stupid" is used in scholarly literature on the subject. A would have told you that. It is obvious that you did not closely analyze my edit and determine that I was adding unencyclopedic and (according to what you just wrote above) inaccurate material to the lead that was not supported by the body -- if you did, you would have simply removed the word "stupid" and agreed with the core sentiment of my edit, that without a qualification before "demiurge" the sentence was nonsense -- and that you are retroactively trying to justify your clumsy (although perhaps not "evil" or "stupid") misuse of the STiki tool. I have actually never seen this tool used on any page on my watchlist or elsewhere to remove legit vandalism, but rather have seen it used to revert good edits on several occasions, so I am beginning to wonder how effective it is and whether its use should be restricted or even outright abolished. ] (<small>]]</small>) 09:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
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	:::Yes, I am sure he does an astonishing amount of clean-up work to prevent the flood of crappy edits that would, if unopposed, overwhelm the encyclopedia. But Recent Changes and good users keeping pages on their watchlists is, in my experience, a far more effective means of stopping vandalism. I encountered an abuse of STiki a few months back and checked the page, where it was claimed that every single edit reverted using STiki was in fact vandalism or otherwise unconstructive despite also telling users that they are responsible for edits they make using STiki. A few months later, one of my own edits is reverted by someone carelessly misusing STiki and not paying attention to the content of the edit they are reverting (or the edit history of the editor making the edit, or the edit summary, or literally ''anything'' other than the use of a word that sometimes appears in vandalism edits and is somewhat rare in constructive edits). I assumed that last time there was some problem with the revertee being a new account and not providing an edit summary, but I am not a new account and I provided an edit summary. There is clearly something wrong with the tool. I am as annoyed with people editing the lede sections of articles to add material not supported by the body as anyone (I have probably added ] more than anyone else over the last few months), but I recognize that this is not the same as "vandalism", and an anti-vandalism tool probably should know the difference. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
	:::Anyway, I agree that I overreacted. The reason for this is simple. I was pinged because my edit was reverted, but the first thing I saw was the template placed on my talk page. I do not use STiki myself for the reasons explained above (and the fact that anti-vandalism bots seem to do an overall better job), so I do not know if this was automatically placed on my page without the consent of the human Materialscientist. I had forgotten the content of the edit that was reverted, let alone the exact wording I used, so all I had was the gut reaction to the lazy and wrong-headed template on my talk page. It looked more like some POV-pusher attacking my editing than a good-faith editor who made a blunder with faulty software. If I had directly called Materialscientist a POV-pusher I would retract this claim and apologize, but I merely let this misunderstanding colour my tone as I stated factual information about how Materialscientist made a bad edit with an editing tool whose description tells him he must take full responsibility for edits with which it assists and how he did not understand the content of my edit. No long-term damage done this time, mind you, so I would like to drop the matter for the time being. Ultimately something will need to be done with STiki to prevent misunderstandings like this (was I automatically templated without Materialscientist's explicit consent?), but this will need to be done by users with more understanding of the software than me. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
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			'''Retarget''' It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect {{noredirect|3.11}} that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that {{user|Polyamorph}} "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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			:Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for ''discussion'' is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. ] (]) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
	Hi. We had a conversation on the talk page there. Do you know which time period the film is set? I keep seeing conflicting reports about that being either the ] or the ]. It can't be both of them, it is either or, since it's certainly not the Yuan or Qing led by Mongols and Manchu, respectively. <strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 14:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
			:I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. <small>''''']''''' (])</small> 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
	:{{ping|PericlesofAthens}} Well, the article currently says "Song", and that's sourced; I have not heard "Ming" myself (haven't been following it so closely), but it seems questionable, because it looks like it might be adding the "1700 years" of the tagline onto the 200+ BCE of Qin Shi Huangdi. If I'm right, then the Ming option is unlikely because no one said that the film is set at the end of the 1700 years and the number is kind of arbitrary anyway. But there is also the fact that the film is almost certainly a bizarre fantasy romp with the historical setting not being especially clear. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:54, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
	::Yeah, I read the Yahoo News article that made this statement (i.e. that it takes place during the Song), although they did not elaborate about it at all. I also read another news article somewhere that said basically the same thing. I haven't bothered looking at the Chinese Misplaced Pages version of this article. Perhaps it has something to add on the matter. <strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 01:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{ping|PericlesofAthens}} The simple fact is that we know virtually nothing about the plot at this point. The people who are saying "it's based during such-and-such dynasty" have not actually seen the film, and even if they had the chances are overwhelmingly that the name of the dynasty will only appear in an opening crawl a-la ''Star Wars'' that the director and editor could easily change at the last minute (this was basically the case with several of Zhang's other historical films -- the only one I've seen where the historical period was actually important to the story was ''Hero'').
	:::My opinion is that since we cannot actually write anything about the film except to regurgitate publicity from the film's creators until after the film has been released, the article should not even exist as an independent mainspace page at this time, but WP:FILM disagrees with me, so them's the cards we're dealt. The "controversy" thing, as I said on the talk page, has exactly the same problem. Just like a bunch of people ignorant of the Marvel Comics source material said before ''Iron Man 3'' was released that "Ben Kingsley is playing a Chinese character -- whitewashing!!", and then when the film came out they essentially shut up because they were embarrassed once the film itself pointed out to them that it was satirizing racist stereotypes rather than the alternative of actively engaging in said stereotypes, a bunch of people largely ignorant of Chinese history are now having the same gut reaction to this film's casting (or, rather, the way the casting has been described in publicity from the film's marketers -- again, I don't know that Matt Damon is playing the film's protagonist, only that his face is on the U.S. poster and that virtually no one in the U.S. has heard of Andy Lau), so all we can write in the article at this point is speculation and rumour by people who are just as in the dark as random Misplaced Pages editors.
	:::But I digress...
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			:{{ping|Elizium23}} I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on ] and ], I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited ''no'' sources for the better part of a month before eventually , while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a ]). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on ] implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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	What I put into discussion was the reliability of tabloid and journalistic articles from agencies like The Guardian, The Economist, etc. I think they are biased and unacademic sources, and should be avoided in Misplaced Pages, if ] is still valid. Those articles are also a violation of ].--] (]) 18:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
	:I like academic sources as much as anyone, but ] is about what Misplaced Pages is not, not about what sources Misplaced Pages should not use. ''The Guardian'' and ''The Economist'' have both been discussed on RSN before, and the result has usually been in their favour. The fact that you titled this message the same way you titled the RSN thread indicates that this ''is'' about "COI editing" as you call it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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	I travel regularly between Australia and a country where Misplaced Pages is censored, and I wasn't able to log onto Misplaced Pages until today. I notice that the appeal was archived, but I'd let you know that I initially lost interest in editing Misplaced Pages in 2011 after enduring years of POV pushing in the FLG articles, and getting the topic ban enabled me to get on with my life instead of wasting time in a project I lost faith in. Furthermore, the ban I was referring to was in November 2011 , which is for at least 8 months, and can only be lifted after appealing. The earlier ban from February 2011 was only 4 months.
			Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's ''not'' OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to ] and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿&nbsp;] (]&nbsp;])</span> 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
	I pretty much only read articles nowadays, and I initially filed a complaint against a user who was being incredible disruptive in the China articles, which led back to FLG. He was pretty much given free reign due to the lack of outside interest in the FLG articles, which is why I documented his behavior and filed the case in the first place, and that user was initially blocked then overturned due to a technicality. I have no wish of having to do with FLG, so to see people accusing me of wanting to continue edit warring is ridiculous. If there was another way of getting someone else's attention towards the user's behavior without appealing the ban, I would have.--] (]) 14:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
			:FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.
			:Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the ''first'' time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).
			:I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I ''do'' think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me ({{tq|Comparing editors to Nazis}} is actually one of the specific examples listed at ] -- it's actually what got the famous {{noping|Til Eulenspiegel}} <small>initially</small> banned <small>from editing English Misplaced Pages</small>), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and ''the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given ] and has been abusing it'', but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.
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	I don't think you should leave the article. But maybe don't be drawn into protracted arguements? Just my thought. ] (]) 22:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
	:You're right, but Misplaced Pages policy is usually on the side of people who deliberately bait others into protracted arguments. I put up with that shit for three years with a certain user, and I don't have the energy to do it again. At least one of them is a pro. If he doesn't want a particular edit made to the article, he will demand that prior consensus be sought on the talk page, and then filibuster any talk page discussion. He flagrantly insults other editors' intelligence and when called out on it issues insincere apologies before continuing to do so, and hypocritically tells anyone who calls him out on it to focus on content. He's been at it for years, but has only received four short blocks for edit-warring. ] (<small>]]</small>) 22:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
	::Unfortunately, I see that exact behavior over and over again...the strongest-willed editors (or perhaps more accurately, those who are strongest willed AND have a lot more free time than the rest of us) often get their way on contentious articles. It's one of the fundamental weaknesses and fatal flaws of the WP Project, and can only be partially remediated through policies that have been put in place. I saw this exact behavior recently on several GMO and medical pages, and I see it here too. Heck, I've even seen it happen to a lesser degree on seemingly uncontroversial pages like Amelia Earhart or Monopoly. I can't blame you for being tired of it; frankly, that's the main reason I don't contribute much anymore. Well - that, my lack of free time, and that I'm a non-confrontational person by nature. But every article needs to be tensioned for a balanced, accurate, viewpoint, and if you leave, the Jesus article will swing further out of balance. And the fact I'm saying that despite being a conservative Baptist Christian should say something about how much I believe it. In short, I too hope you don't leave the article.
	::Two other thoughts - have you considered voluntary mediation? ] might be worth pursuing. And, I have to wonder if I know the editor you're talking about - I have two good guesses. :) ] (]) 22:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{re|Jtrevor99}} Darn. Sorry for not noticing your message for over two months. DRN doesn't work, and should probably be shut down. Look through the archives. They have a handy colour-coded closure process that tells you whether they succeeded or failed. They virtually always (something like 80-90%) fail. On top of that, my concern with the article in question was not any particular content dispute but just the impossibility of covering a topic that very few editors know a lot about but virtually everyone has some kind of opinion on. It's not something that could be fixed even if "fixed" meant "conformed to Hijiri88's opinion and Hijiri88 had the power to unilaterally ban everyone who disagreed with him", so a venue with such a high failure rate is not going to accomplish anything anyway. I don't think that such an article should ever have been declared a Featured Article, because there will always be people woth legitimate grievances about it one way or the other -- even on a short scan of the "other religions" section I was able to find a place where an Irish guy who raised Catholic was disingenuously referred to as "some Hindus", to give just one example of a problem that should have automatically disqualified it from FA status.
	:::The editor in question is mostly civil and relatively easy to work with (especially compared to the one I referred to above who hounded me for three years), and I don't want to name him on here because that's not something you can easily walk away from. If you look back through all my edits to Christian/Biblical topics over the last four years, you'll notice the same name cropping up several times, and the one where he called me ignorant stands out pretty clearly. But that's all I'm gonna say.
	:::] (<small>]]</small>) 12:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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	Dear Hijiri88, I am writing about issues arising for your edits to the ] page. The trivial issue (alleging, incorrectly, that the use of 'unproved' indicated the original editor was unfit to edit Misplaced Pages), was a piece of simple and unnecessary rudeness, which you seem now to have accepted. The more serious issue is an allegation of ]. The article states there is no evidence for the use of Wagner's music in the Nazi death camps, and cites two sources to support this. The citation of a source is not ], and it is unhelpful for you not to ] by asserting, without evidence, that there has been some partiality in sourcing. If you have a reliable source that demonstrates that Wagner's music was indeed played in the camps, then of course you are fully entitled to supply it. I also remind you that this article is classified as ] - that is, that it was intensively reviewed by a number of editors before being awarded that status. In these circumstances one should be doubly determined to stick to standard WP procedures and good manners. Thanks, --] (]) 13:50, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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	:It is not "rude" to see what one believes is a grammatical error and correct it. You misunderstood my edit summary -- I never said anything about being "unfit to edit Misplaced Pages". I was alluding to my past experience with another editor who constantly added "based off of" to articles, and also constantly misread his sources (he once wrote "Japanese poetry" where he should have written "Chinese poetry", and insisted that a phrase that all sources call a neologism appeared in an eighth-century document because of his own misreading of a tertiary source). That user was apparently a native speaker of English: the problem is worse when we come to non-native speakers who can't even form a vaguely grammatical sentence in English: how could anyone assume that such a user has accurately interpreted and summarized a scholarly article written in English?
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	I use Misplaced Pages every now and then for a bit of information when needed, however i tend to read amusing "encyclopedias" a lot more, with Conservapedia my number one choice. I happened to come across a comment you made on here about an editor, RJensen. As soon as I saw the name I knew who it was (I laughed in all honesty), and it's not from anything on here given how unfamiliar I am to Misplaced Pages. You may or may not know but he is (or at least has been) a major editor on Conservapedia, and in a discussion page a few years back editors talked about rewriting Misplaced Pages. Judging by his work on Conservapedia I'm wondering what damage he has done on here. Conservapedia gets next to no views and Misplaced Pages provides a bigger platform to throw ones views out there (that's not what you are meant to do of course, but that's what Conservapedia does). Are senior editors on here aware of his Conservapedia agenda? ] (]) 23:35, 13 September 2016 2016 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Imboredsenseless}} I have no idea if people are aware of other users' Conservapedia activity. I have encountered many users on Misplaced Pages who appear to be working to make English Misplaced Pages look more like Conservapedia (look at any of my edits to articles on Christianity-related topics, look at the editors who reverted them, and then look up the same topics on Conservapedia, and you'll see what I mean).
	:That said, I am not sure of the general appropriateness of speculating on such-and-such Misplaced Pages editor ''actually being'' this or that Conservapedia editor. I know ] (who is thoroughly site-banned) has explicitly stated his Misplaced Pages ID on Conservapedia, but even in that case I'm reluctant to give details. Usernames are not reliable, because if I wanted to attack another Misplaced Pages editor, there would be nothing stopping me from creating an account on Conservapedia, Metapedia or some other site using their user name, and making strawman edits in their name. If I was a reactionary and wanted to defame a Wikipedian on "the other side" I could do the same on RationalWiki (I am roughly 70% certain that's how "RationalWiki" came to support the intrinsically ''irrational'' Christ Myth Theory near the bottom of its article on Jesus). I'm not implying you did this, mind you -- I'm just saying that accusations like "this user is promoting a racist/creationist/paleoconservative agenda and their unironic use of this external website proves it" require a lot more evidence than just a username.
	:That particular user's interaction with me has been coloured more by sloppy use of sources and simple ]ishness in not responding to talk page comments, and in the most recent instancehe/she was actually making apparently "anti-conservative edits" ("lynchings were a thing") whose only problem was that they were unsourced. I suppose one could read something into the "Yeah, but white people of European origin were also the victims of vigilantism" tones of some of his edits, but I don't really want to go down that rabbit-hole.
	:I'm actually kinda curious about what "comment made on here about RJensen". Do you watch or something? Or did you mean a comment I wrote ''to'' Rjensen?
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 00:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
	::That said, effectively means that any attempt to connect them with a specific Conservapedia or Citizendium account is not in itself a violation of ], as they already explicitly connected themselves to those accounts on Misplaced Pages. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:55, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::It's him. http://www.conservapedia.com/User:RJJensen I had a look at his home page on here and it's the one and the same. (just seen your second response on this). {{RPA}} He's in my top five reads on Conservapedia as I get a kick out of ludicrous viewpoints. Apparently he hasn't posted on there for some time - I just checked before posting that it's about five years - and that after some issue with the site founder. The material doesn't get updated that often on there and hasn't for years, so even the most recent edits could be from about three years ago. He's among the worst I've read: he's been lampooned on other sites for his work. He's among a small group (and in my view he's the worst of them) of Conservapedia editors (admin in his case, a head honcho) that stated their displeasure at Misplaced Pages and that they would rewrite it. He's a bad egg who has no interest whatsoever in an encyclopedia. ] (]) 02:10, 14 November 2016 2016 (UTC)
	::::Yes, I very quickly found that page, and I'm also fairly certain they are the same person. If there is in fact someone actively editing Misplaced Pages who is also an admin on a competing Wiki whose whole reason for being essentially boils down "Misplaced Pages is biased and is operated by liberal scum" then I intend to monitor their edits closely from now on.
	::::However, the more immediate concern is -- who are ''you''? It seems almost certain you have edited Misplaced Pages before. Pinging ] to ask if they have any ideas better than the one I've already presented. Imboredsenseless, you may well be right about everything, and I think you and I probably have similar political and social views, but sockpuppetry is not allowed. You should tell me which other accounts you have used, or, if you are going to claim you have edited anonymously for years and only created an account today, you should point to some edits you made under an IP. (Note that my saying this has no force: I am not a CU and cannot directly link your account to an IP -- I am saying you should voluntarily connect your account to an IP as I did early on in my account's history.)
	::::] (<small>]]</small>) 01:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
	::::Also: {{ec}} please refrain from tweaking your comments on my talk page. I know what you meant, and people make misprints all the time on here. ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
	:Oh the comment you made on here about RJensen was on Curly Turkey talk page about a week ago that's where I saw the name. Curly had been making edita on an article which I was reading so I clicked on his page yesterday and that's when I saw your comment. Conservapedia promotes non encyclopedic work: for example denies science, and gives fundamentalist opinions on every topic. And who am I, I'm a Canadian expat living in rainy Ireland (the northern part) and had nothing better to do. And yes I made two comments yesterday on dribbling https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dribbling&action=history that's my ip address at the top before I decided to actually put in a username. ] (]) 09:58, 14 November 2016 2016 (UTC)
			{{ping|Blue Pumpkin Pie}} I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" ] article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.
	:Okay i asked you if you has seen him exhibit Christian fundamentalist views on here (he was an admin on Conservapedia as I said). This is the kind f content Conservapedia promotes, http://www.conservapedia.com/Sexual_immorality with homosexuality and pedophilia in the same sentence. ] (]) 11:58, 14 November 2016 2016 (UTC)
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			:I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in ], who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right.
			:As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict")}} Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai ''because the show is fiction'' and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
			::You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.] (]) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:::Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			::::{{tq|I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration"}} Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. {{tq|Historian Thomas Lockely}} Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, {{tq|almost certainly granted such samurai status}} is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". {{tq|the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong}} That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:BTW, I'm ''only'' talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant ]ping/]sing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			{{ping|CycoMa|Crossroads}} I don't think I was the referent of , but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per ], I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.
			My ]ping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics.<small> And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".</small>
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			::::That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says {{tq|females, rarely males}}. ] (]) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			:::::<small>(Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.)</small> I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up and as sources indicating that ''atashi'' is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use ''atashi'' to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning ] on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use ''atashi''"): it is '''very''' female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			::::::Sorry! It's not obvious from , but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in ] as well as in ]; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is ] that ''atashi'' is feminine (see also ]'s comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances.
			::::::These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language<small> (I focused on ''atashi'' because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are ], although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") </small>but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary<small> ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex")</small>.
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			{{ping|Crossroads}} For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after {{tq|...cares enough to pay for that.}}, but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
			See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with ''they''. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use ''she''. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great ]'s official global site has a history section whose that reads {{tq|Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since '''the its''' establishment.}}, says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of ''press'' releases but simply news updates), their page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be {{tq|Number of Board Members}} is {{tq|Member of the Board}} and what should be something like {{tq|CEO and Representative Director}} is instead the utterly bizarre {{tq|Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO}}; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
			*Probably should also ping ] and get her take on the matter. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
			:To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
			::Yes, that's totally fine! ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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			== Yamato kotoba ==
			Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and ''every one of them'' uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? ] ] 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
			:Are you sure? Most ''linguistics'' sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-''Kokinshū'' waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting ''de facto'' semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
			::I merely came across this as I'm writing the ] article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.
			::::''"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)"'' -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.
			::::'' "Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese."'' -- page 16-17.
			:::: ''"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin"'' -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.
			::So I would be interested to ''see'' those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. ] ] 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
			:::Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned , which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Liz}} I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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			:::{{ping|79.16.244.59}} Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?
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	:Again, it could have been a proxy regardless of who it was. I'll take your word for it that you don't think it was him, though -- I feel much more comfortable thinking it was the currently-blocked one because that means it will stop as soon as his block expires and it means I have one less long-gone user stalking my every move. By the way, it's a minor point but you should probably have posted the above ''before'' reverting me on your talk page. I was in the middle of writing an email asking you who "him" was before I noticed you'd already replied to me here. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
	::The admins who supported him were a drain on the project's energy. I collected all the diffs. This is bigger than any controversy this year. ] (]) 06:19, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
	:::Which admins supported him? I know some admins have criticized me from time to time and so were in essential agreement with him on at least one point (since he ]), but I don't recall any admin explicitly encouraging his more disruptive edits. He messed up a bunch of RFCs he closed, and made my editing career just a bit more miserable (and presumably did the same to others), but I don't see how him making a ] could be called the biggest controversy of 2016. By the way, why haven't you told me the name of his new account yet? Is there a concern about outing or disclosure of personal information? I emailed you so you be more open. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
	::::I can't tell you the details. It would be better if a reporter disclosed the sock account. He is no longer socking but there are others who are using socks. After he was accused of being a SPA he started editing other articles. The sock account won't be blocked because it is stale. He stopped editing soon after I mentioned the IP was a sock from another dispute. It is a controversy when admins were protecting multiple editors. They deleted entire notable page without any AFD. They replaced sourced text with original research. The MEDRS violations are still in multiple articles. ] (]) 06:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
	:::::Well, I almost never touch the kind of articles that reporters would care about having misleading information. My only involvement with medical articles is when it comes up on a noticeboard and when a medical SPA like the White Weasel suddenly starts hounding me because I challenged his right to close RFCs in areas he has never edited in. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
	::::::The only reason the WW was editing other articles and closing RfCs was to not look like a SPA. After a reporter spills the beans then I can answer your questions. Hopefully by May or June 2017 I can talk to you about it. I can't tell you why I am waiting. After the beans are spilled you and others can share your experiences. ''The Signpost'' paper is a very powerfully tool on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 17:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
	:::::::Thing is, though, I don't know enough to say whether his activities as a SPA were disruptive or whether Misplaced Pages would have been better off with him staying a ''de jure'' SPA or him pretending not to be a SPA and then leaving the project. I know my life would have been better if he'd never tried his hand at closing RFCs, and I know he really, ''really'' overreacted to my criticizing him for one RFC close (a full year of constant hounding), but it's not clear if any of that would have happened in the first place if he wasn't trying to pretend not to be a SPA, or if his original SPA edits were problematic in and of themselves. I would be very happy to finally see him get some kind of sanction for the behaviour that he is still liable to continue if he has an active sockpuppet account, and I hope that what you say happens, but I am not sure how much help I can be. Right now I'd really rather just keep improving our encyclopedic coverage of Chinese poetry.] (<small>]]</small>) 01:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
	::::::::Some of the evidence is public. ] admins did nothing. ] (]) 01:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
	:::::::::Well, as far as I'm concerned what he did to me was much worse than simply being an SPA or making disruptive edits to one article (which is all he could have been guilty of at the time of that discussion), and I know the admins didn't do anything about that. I hope he never harasses me again, and if he is socking at the moment I hope he is blocked. I'll keep an eye on ''The Signpost'' anyway. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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	:Ah okay. I got those mixed up, it seems. I was looking for it after I was challenged but couldn't find anything to either confirm or (unambiguously) disprove what I thought. I wasn't sweating over it (as in, I wasn't planning on asking anyone about it) since the block was already expired before I started looking, though. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Johnuniq}} I have been very active on ANI for years. With the exception of one thread which has been draining most of my energy for the last week or so, I have actually been ''less'' active than usual. Part of my motivation for looking for another thread that I was qualified to comment in was to get away from that mess -- I have been trying for days but I keep getting dragged back in by two or three users who continue to post outright lies about me that I can't allow to go uncalled out, and I don't need people who are ''not'' involved telling me that I should go back to getting harassed in that one thread rather than trying to contribute to other threads.
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	初めまして、Hijiri88さん。]から参りました。en lv1ですので助かりました。
			Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?
	問題の]なのですが、この編集者はボクシング関連に執着する著作権法に無理解な問題編集者であり、既に日本語版で無期限ブロックかつIPレンジブロックを受けておりますので日本語版上でアカウントが作成出来ないためか、今回英語版上でアカウントを作成、編集回数を稼いだ上でLTA:DARU対策に編集半保護措置を取られている日本語版の複数ページに編集を行う、という言語版をまたいだブロック破りを行いました。
			https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja
	既に日本語版では]はソックパペットとして無期限ブロックされておりますが英語版上では未だウィキペディアとは相容れない自身の思想に沿った活動を続けており、日本語版のボクシング関連記事は大半が英語版からの翻訳で成っております故、このユーザーが英語版でルール無理解のままで（特に著作権法関連、他WEBサイトからの転載を平気で行う幼稚さ）自身の思想に沿った内容の編集を続けると、その内容をそのまま日本語版に翻訳持ち込みを行う善意の第三者が現れる懸念を危惧しグローバルブロックの必要性が在ると考えたものです。--] (]) 03:29, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
			Im on reviewing ] page and found this link in the japanese version of Misplaced Pages ] (]) 04:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
	:{{re|Nami-ja}}それはそれは。著作権を破ったりした投稿があったかどうか調べてみます。確かに{{user|ダルメーター}}は英語版でも投稿したことがある（回数は少ないけど）ので、ソックパペットなのですね。日本語版での元のブロックの理由は著作権問題ですか？英語版でも同じようなことをしているかどうか確認してみますね。日本語版でも英語版でも同じ記事に投稿したことがあるかどうかご存知でしょうか？] (<small>]]</small>) 03:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
	:: {{re|Hijiri88}} 日本語版での無期限ブロックは管理者の裁量短期ブロックからの延長依頼に依るもので、]（]）です。英語版で該当するものは]でしょうか。著作権侵害その他の問題点は無期限ブロック後の全投稿履歴精査中に発見が続いているもので、まだ精査途中なのですが]の方にソックパペットも含む全投稿記事一覧があり、全投稿記事の大多数で著作権侵害投稿があり日本語版ボクシング関連分野の編集者は修正作業に追われています。
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Re: 'Xinjiang' in apple

I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in apple because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit here and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not trying to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective WP:IFITAINTBROKE interpretation. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

All interpretations of WP:IFITAINTBROKE are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh Tian Shan in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, Mount Hua, Qilian Mountains, the mountain ranges of the Tibetan and the Loess Plateau). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved WP:LINKCLARITY; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.

Secondly, also for you @Peter coxhead, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of WP:LINKCLARITY—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is not a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are kinda in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to China proper as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and definitely not "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).

I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to Kyoto as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "east-of-the-barrier" and "west-of-the-barrier" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase Northwest China and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our Shaanxi article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is not an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument against using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked both sources and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.

I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.@Nardog: I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally disagreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.

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Deletion of referenced paragraph at Mottainai

I just saw your edit deleting 1,444b at Mottainai. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions ("... don't get in trouble again"). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Harrassment by this Wikipedian

I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, see here. Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."

Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is specifically about Japanese poetry (the Haiku in English article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about repeatedly reinserting content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Staticshakedown: Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did here. Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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I have unwatched Onna-musha having found your response aggressive

I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? Mountaincirque 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? Mountaincirque 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

You responded to my saying that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the buke class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert LLC citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for review at Yasuke

Hello Hijiri,

I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article Yasuke. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a hatamoto: "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.

Your insight and knowledge would be much appreciated. — Goszei (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Goszei: I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of Japanese history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.

As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially slang. As for Japanese usage, Kojien gives the primary meaning of "same as saburai, i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the Japanese middle ages (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime Afro Samurai: the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Apologising

I have noted what you said. Just try to see other editors as potential helpers/allies, rather than opponents. Even if you're not in agreement, if you remain calm and even light-hearted you can easily win people over. John Smith's (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean... I know that, but I'm not trying to win anyone over. I wanted to fix the "onabu-geisha" hoax, and unless you or some unnamed third party are trying to undo that, I don't see any disagreement, let alone a need to argue or convince anyone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Retarget Wait, what!? It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect 3.11 that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that Polyamorph (talk · contribs) "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for discussion is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. Polyamorph (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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@Elizium23: I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on Talk:Yasuke and Talk:Samurai, I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited no sources for the better part of a month before eventually citing Misplaced Pages, while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a WP:POINT). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on Samurai implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Between suspicion and aspersion

Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's not OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to WP:SPI and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.

Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the first time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).

I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I do think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me (Comparing editors to Nazis is actually one of the specific examples listed at WP:WIAPA -- it's actually what got the famous Til Eulenspiegel initially banned from editing English Misplaced Pages), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given WP:ROPE and has been abusing it, but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.

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Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" Yasuke article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.

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I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right. As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC) editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict") Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai because the show is fiction and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC) I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. Historian Thomas Lockely Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, almost certainly granted such samurai status is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

However, if you would like to continue handling the matter, I can offer you whatever advice/assistance you may want (beyond the above replies that I decided not to post) here on my own talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I'm only talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant WP:FORUMSHOPping/WP:CANVASsing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Hijiri88, I have been working on fixing dangling references that have no corresponding sources, and it appears you added a ref to Aisome-gawa (otogi-zōshi) in this edit. Do you know the source? For now, I have hidden the source. Let me know if you need any assistance if you do know the source! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aussie Article Writer: Thank you for the message! It was likely a copy-paste error: I'm pretty sure I was copying pieces of the formatting from Aisome-gawa (Noh), which I had written two weeks earlier. I just checked, and the Tokue article was the source for this sentence as with the rest of the article. Sorry for the confusion! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ve fixed it now. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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@CycoMa and Crossroads: I don't think I was the referent of this edit, but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per WP:PACT, I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.

My WP:FORUMSHOPping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the initial post was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics. And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".

Anyway, upon noticing the above comment by CycoMa, I decided that it might be a bad idea to post this:

Possible accidental bludgeoning. Clarification of (non-)use of atashi by (cisgender?) men, and elaboration on why it's not that important.

That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says females, rarely males. Newimpartial (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.) I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up this and this as sources indicating that atashi is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use atashi to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning WP:BURDEN on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use atashi"): it is very female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC) Sorry! It's not obvious from my edit summary, but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in jidaigeki as well as in rakugo; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is WP:BLUE that atashi is feminine (see also User:EvergreenFir's comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances. These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language (I focused on atashi because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are what I would call determiners, although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex"). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

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I won't go into details, but I'd like to thank the editors (they know who they are) who have helped me through this relatively very difficult time. :-) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

<small/> tags on ANI_tags_on_ANI-2021-11-18T09:21:00.000Z">

Your <small> tags on your comment here appear to be breaking the rest of the page - at least for me. Could you fix them. Thanks.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)_tags_on_ANI"> _tags_on_ANI">

Someones fixed it now.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:ANI that involves you

As a courtesy see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

FTR I have no idea who Cavalryman is. I guess it refers to either Reyk or Piotrus. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

No, there is an actual user named Cavalryman and he's not the same person as me or Piotrus. Reyk _YO! 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Reyk: Sorry, I had hoped it would be clear that I was joking about the absurdity of Cavalryman having "invited" me to participate at ANI when I had known about the ANI thread(s) almost a month ago, mentioned it on the talk pages of both you and Piotrus (who was the first one to notify me), expressed my simultaneous feeling of responsibility and reluctance to comment multiple times, and actually commented before any interaction with Cavalryman (who I only responded to in a capacity that I felt was so peripheral to the discussion that I made my text small). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure that the wording of my questions to the various ArbCom candidates just now would have been permissible even if BANEX did not cover questions to potential Arbitrators who may be assessing an appeal of a ban to which my question applies in the future. However, I feel fairly confident that it does apply, at least as much as my question on Beeblebrox's talk page here (which, unlike my question to the ArbCom candidates, actually mentioned the other IBAN party by name six times). And yeah, sorry about not getting around to posting that appeal yet. It was always a pretty low priority, and I haven't even been able to write any WAM articles this year, so it looks like it'll be another while. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't find a way to properly phrase this as a question without simply saying "Would you support my appeal if I made it again at some point next year?", which doesn't feel appropriate. Opabinia regalis's answer (courtesy ping) was excellent, but I'm kinda regretting not going further in on the specific details in my initial question (which, needless to say, was worded with deliberate vagueness). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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You wanna take this?

@Crossroads: For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after ...cares enough to pay for that., but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with they. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use she. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great Mitsubishi's official global site has a history section whose front page that reads Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since the its establishment., says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of press releases but simply news updates), their Corporate Profile page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be Number of Board Members is Member of the Board and what should be something like CEO and Representative Director is instead the utterly bizarre Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Probably should also ping User:Tamzin and get her take on the matter. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. Crossroads 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's totally fine! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Crossroads 06:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Yamato kotoba

Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and every one of them uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? Xia 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? Most linguistics sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-Kokinshū waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting de facto semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I merely came across this as I'm writing the hu:Vago article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.

"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)" -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.

"Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese." -- page 16-17.

"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin" -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.

So I would be interested to see those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. Xia 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, this is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned this book, which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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@Liz: I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: Kotanbetsu (ja:古丹別駅), Onishika (ja:鬼鹿村), Brown Bear Storm (ja:羆嵐), Japan Hunting Friends Association (ja:大日本猟友会), Hokkaido Government Police Department (ja:北海道庁警察部), Haboro Police Station (ja:羽幌警察署), 28th Infantry Regiment (Japan) (ja:歩兵第28連隊), Japan Action Enterprise (ja:ジャパンアクションエンタープライズ), Kaoru Takagi (ja:高木薫), Hokkaido Wine (ja:北海道ワイン). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.33.91 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? 79.16.244.59 (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hijiri hasn't edited since November 26....be patient. Lectonar (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@79.16.244.59: Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?

@Lectonar: Thanks for the assist!

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Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?

https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja

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would it be possible to have your support on the Yasuke-article? i saw in the archives your name and i think, that your knowlege about Yasuke could benefit the article and the sources about paper in Japan about this figure. I am personally mainly interested about the Japanese academic view about his slavery background. --ErikWar19 (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I don't care about Ubisoft videogames and I am frankly disgusted having expressed an interest in Japanese history on this site and elsewhere has now caused people who clearly have no knowledge of or interest in Japan to see me as a "brother in arms". I don't know why someone whose account is two months old would be reaching out to mostly retired editors about articles they worked on three years ago, but this is super suspicious. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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