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Are the subject's criminal convictions due for inclusion? ] (]) 15:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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Should this template have the parameter "influenced" (meaning those people who the economist has influenced as an economist)? And if it does, what criteria should be used to determine what names may be added to that parameter? ] (]) 00:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)}} |
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James Earl Carter Jr. (October 1, 1924 – December 29, 2024) was <del style="color: #8B0000;">an American politician and humanitarian who served as</del> the 39th president of the United States<ins style="color: #008560;">, serving</ins> from 1977 to 1981? ] (]) 00:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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So, can we say "Musk received widespread criticism for what some perceived as a Nazi salute (An accusation he denied)" |
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Multiple ] call Donald Trump a Liar. |
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The article already acknowledges that many of his public statements are false. |
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1. Should the article assume intent and call statements lies, where justified and sourced by WP:RS? |
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2. Should the article follow ]es, assume that Trump has an intent to deceive, and refer to him as a liar? |
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For Reference: per https://www.merriam-webster.com/ |
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'''Liar''': a person who tells lies has a reputation as a liar |
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'''Lie:''' to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive |
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As per above, which of the following images should be used for Turing's infobox? ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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This page needs to be updated with the new information. In 2011, the Mary Jane Girls began touring again with original member Candice Grant; along with new members Val Young and Farah Melanson. This lineup also received a honorary HAL Award. However when I try to update this page with that information, ] keeps reverting it off the page. There are several websites (, , as well as their official facebook ) all acknowledge the new Mary Jane Girls lineup. Another group consisting of Kimberly 'Maxi' Wuletich and Cheri Wells are touring as "MJG feat. Original Mary Jane Girls Maxi & Cheri"., , I have also added this information to the page, but to no avail because Binksternet has also reverted that. ] (]) 07:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Which of the following images should be the portrait in the infobox? ] (]) 09:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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'''Context''': There has been an infobox on this page from 2008 (with the page being created in 2003). Two editors above have suggested removal, with one . |
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'''Question''': '''Should the infobox be removed from Harry Lauder?''' Also, what about a collapsible infobox? ] (]) 12:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Should the page describe Musk as a supporter of international far-right political parties, activists, and causes? ] (]) 01:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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Should the style of music be listed in the lead for singers primarily known for a single genre? And should the wording of the style guideline be changed to include what is agreed upon? |
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:*'''Option 1A''' Include the genre of all singers primarily known for a single genre in the lead sentence. |
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:*'''Option 1B''' Same as 1A, however we also change the wording on the style page to specify that the style guideline is to list genre in the lead sentence. |
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:*'''Option 2A''' Include the genre of solo artists primarily known for a single genre in the lead sentence. |
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:*'''Option 2B''' Same as 2A, but we also change the wording on the style page to specify that the style guideline is to list genre in the lead sentence for solo artists. |
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:*'''Option 3A''' Do not include the genre of singers in the lead sentence. |
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:*'''Option 3B''' Same as 3A, but we also change the wording on the style page to specify that the style guideline is to not list genre in the lead sentence. |
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:*'''Option 4''' We set no rule, but rather decide it on a case by case scenario. |
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Please note the discussion that started above. ] (]) 22:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Should the first sentence of this article be changed to include Uğur Şahin's Turkish ethnicity/background, rather than simply calling him "German"? ] (]) 22:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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Is the statement in the introduction of this article: 'Often considered the best player in the world and regarded by some as the greatest of all time' appropriate for C. Ronaldo? |
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Like I pointed out: you can find a 'source' for pretty much every claim, but making a statement like this in the introduction of an article gives it the impression as if it's the majority view and an obvious fact. I gave the - rather cynical - example of the painter ]. What if you can find someone who thinks Bob Ross is the greatest painter of all time, is that enough to make a statement like: ''some consider him to be the greatest painter of all time''? This seems absurd to me, but it is the logical consequence if it's possible to say 'C. Ronaldo is the greatest of all time' when only one or two writers are claiming this. |
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So when is it possible to make statements like 'regarded as the greatest of all time' or 'regarded by some to be the greatest'? When are the sources sufficient? ] (]) 23:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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The current single sentence on Gaza in the lede is as follows: {{green|During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent military aid to Israel, as well as humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.}} The sentence is regularly modified, including the word "limited" which keeps being added/removed in front of "humanitarian aid". I started ] on this topic a while ago; it didn't get a lot of input and didn't lead to a consensus. I thought this RfC could generate a larger discussion and settle a few related questions at once: |
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There has been a dispute about edits made by myself from the subject of the article. |
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* Should the "military aid" and "humanitarian aid" be mentioned side by side as is? |
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* Should we mention that the amount of military aid sent to Israel is ? |
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What do you think about the recent edits (resignation from liberal democrats and drink driving), Should they stay? |
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* Next to the mention of military aid, should there be a mention of allegations of war crimes against Israel? |
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Feel free to expand the discussion to other questions. My hope is that we can workshop a sentence that has a consensus behind it. Thanks! ] (]) 13:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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Thanks. ] (]) 01:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Should the list include former chief executive officers? ] (]) 09:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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I see there has been some scuffling over his inclusion in this article. I would argue he is worth inclusion, since he was part of a successful musical act and met ] at the time of his death, but since there have been like 3 removals and reinsertions of him I'm starting a thread here to gain consensus. Thanks ] (]) 02:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Should this article's Filmography section include the web series ''Battle for Dream Island''? ] (]) 19:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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Considering the three photos shown here, which is the better for the infobox? Choice #1 is the current infobox photo, choice #2 and #3 are being proposed. -- ''']</span>''' ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 21:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Should the first sentence in the lead be rewritten: (red to be removed; green to add) "Ronald Wilson Reagan (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004) was <del style="color: #8B0000;">an American politician and actor who served as</del> the 40th president of the United States<ins style="color: #008560;">, serving</ins> from 1981 to 1989"? ] (]) 17:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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The following genealogy sources are currently considered ] at ] (A), or in repeated inquiries at ] (B and C): |
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According to his , he died in 1983 at the age of 45. It doesn't list a date of birth. |
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* '''A: Geni.com''' |
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* '''B: Medieval Lands / MedLands by Charles Cawley''' |
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* '''C: genealogy.eu / genealogy.euweb.cz by Marek Miroslav''' |
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:Long after being listed / labelled generally unreliable, these unreliable sources are still being (re-)added to hundreds to tens of thousands of articles. |
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* '''Option 1: listed as ]''' (change nothing to A; add B and C at ] as such) |
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* '''Option 3: ]''' (not mutually exclusive with option 1 or 2) |
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Should we remove "A member of the wealthy South African Musk family" |
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According to his , he was born in 1936, and died in 1983 at the age of 47. |
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It's been three years since the ] in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a ] so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture ''or'' of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: {{ping|Chieharumachi}}, {{ping|Crisantom}}, {{ping|Object404}}, {{ping|Unilimited247}}, {{ping|Lochglasgowstrathyre}} ] (]) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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'''Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi'''{{Efn|{{langx|ar|عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي}}}} (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, ],<ref name="dictator"> |
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What should the article say? PS - be sure to read the threaded discussion below. ] (]) 01:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator: |
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{{bulleted list|{{Cite news |title=Egypt’s rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous |url=https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/10/03/egypts-rushed-election-shows-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-is-nervous |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613 |quote="Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s military dictator..."}}|{{Cite web |last=Dunne |first=Michele |date=2019-04-08 |title=Why Is Trump Helping Egypt’s Dictator Entrench His Power? |url=https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/donald-trump-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-egypt-226579/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO Magazine |language=en}} |
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|{{Cite web |title=President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election {{!}} The Washington Institute |url=https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/president-trump-condemn-sham-egyptian-election |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=www.washingtoninstitute.org |language=en |quote="...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country"}} |
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|{{Cite news |title=A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-26/u-dot-s-dot-gives-egypts-dictator-a-blank-check?embedded-checkout=false |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=Bloomberg.com |language=en}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Toosi |first=Nahal |date=2021-07-12 |title=In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/egypt-spy-boss-jail-american-498983 |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO |language=en |quote="...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents."}}{{Cite web |last=Lawler |first=Dave |date=2019-04-23 |title=Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum |url=https://www.axios.com/2019/04/23/sisi-referendum-rule-egypt-2030-constitution |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Axios |language=en |quote="He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally."}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Greenwald |first=Glenn |date=2015-03-31 |title=Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime |url=https://theintercept.com/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=The Intercept |language=en-US}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Williams |first=Jennifer |date=2017-04-03 |title=Egypt’s president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he’s done a “fantastic job.” |url=https://www.vox.com/world/2017/4/3/15160358/trump-egypt-abdel-fattah-el-sisi-white-house |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Vox |language=en-US}}|{{Cite news |date=2020-12-01 |title=Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730 |access-date=2024-11-22 |work=BBC News |language=en-GB}}|{{Cite news |title=Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal |url=https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal |access-date=2024-11-25 |url-access=subscription|work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613|archive-url=https://archive.today/2021.08.26-144020/https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal|archive-date=2021-08-26|url-status=live}}|{{Citation |last=Grewal |first=Sharan |title=Egypt: A Coup against Democracy |date=2023-07-25 |work=Soldiers of Democracy? |pages=136–176 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/46755/chapter-abstract/414394851?redirectedFrom=fulltext |access-date=2024-11-25 |publisher=Oxford University PressOxford |doi=10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007 |isbn=0-19-287391-1}}|{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}}}</ref> and retired military officer who has been serving as the ] and current ] since 2014.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}</ref> |
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Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected: |
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*'''A.''' Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''B.''' No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''C.''' No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead. |
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*'''D. ''' No he should not be, and he should '''not''' be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body. |
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This Talk page of ] has been rife over a long period of time with discussion of whether claims about the sultan's sexuality should be covered in the article. Numerous people have chimed in, and there is a history of deletions and reversions of those deletions from the article. To summarize the key points made by both sides: |
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* That the claims exist is documented in several cited sources, and one can probably understand why the sultan's actual sexuality, if not heterosexual, would be significant given the culture of Oman. |
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One editor posted the issue to ] on June 12, now archived at ]. Discussion there occurred over only a single day, and then one editor unilaterally concluded that he was going to remove the material from the article. There have been three more reversions since then, and now yet another thread has opened, immediately above, on this Talk page. I figured an RFC was in order. |
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''Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch.</small> |
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Should the article include this material? How do Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines apply here? ] (]) 14:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)}} |
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Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per ].) |
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There is a disagreement about the lead sentence of this ]. Should the lead sentence state: <br> |
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'''A''': "George Harrison,<sup></sup> MBE (25 February 1943 – 29 November 2001) was an English guitarist, singer, songwriter, and music and film producer who ...", or<br> |
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'''B''': "George Harrison,<sup></sup> MBE (25 February 1943 – 29 November 2001) was an English guitarist, singer, and songwriter who ...", or<br> |
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