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⚫ == Jan 2023 ==
== Recruiting at ] ==


@] Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here with no regards to ]. If you have doubts regarding my ], you are welcome to discuss the edits with ] and by ], so long as you stop making ].
The editor whom you pinged and cited as having made edits you like -- that editor has never edited the article to which you recruited him. This violates WP behavioral guidelines. You can remedy this either by informing the many editors who ''have'' edited there -- most of whom my not share your POV -- or by redacting your violation. ]] 21:43, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
~~ ] (]) 14:58 28 January 2023
:''You've'' ]. Were ''you'' recruited (i.e., by email), or are you stalking my edits to make drive-by revenge reverts? Is the latter better than the former?
:Fact is, Thucydides411, unprompted, brought up just a few days ago at the main article ], and I would be interested in seeing him elaborate—especially when confronted by an editor making revenge reverts while refusing to participate on the talk page, and who appears (along with BullRangifer) to be one of the last two people on earth to have missed ''Wash Post''{{'}}s nine-month-old retraction. Until BullRangifer's recent edits, ] had been largely inactive, with the last non-minor edit by a named user occurring ago. To rectify your concern, I have everyone watching ] to participate. A ping can't be undone.] (]) 22:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


== Trump Tower Allegation == == Dreamcast Sales Numbers ==


Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. ] (]) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello TheTimesAreAChanging,


:Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese:
Thank you for contributing to the page 'Donald Trump on social media'. But I will like to discuss about your edit.
:セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。
:Which translates to:
:Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units.
:Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago:
:https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html
:https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html ] (]) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson ''et al.'' (], 2012).
::More broadly, what happens on the ] article has no direct bearing on ]. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus.
::If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at ], rather than on my user talk page.] (]) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, tangentially, fails ] because the sources do not state that {{tq|"'']'' is the best-selling Sega Saturn game."}} Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in ] ] of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.] (]) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn .
:::Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan?
:::I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago.
:::I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: ''based on existing documents/materials at Sega'' (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source.
:::Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof.
:::In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' states that: ''More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan.'' (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。)
:::This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. ] (]) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)


== Mujaheddin ==
In September, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Paul Manafort, (I would say that CNN isn't the only one but that's ok.) Trump's former campaign chairman, in 2016-17, either during or after his tenure with the Trump campaign. (It was before and after the election) However, this revelation does not confirm the accuracy of Trump's tweets, as it is not known whether any surveillance of Manafort took place at Trump Tower and there remains no evidence that Obama requested the wiretap.


Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein ] (]) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
And for your last sentence, the reports mostly do confirm Trump's tweets. Trump declared that Trump Tower was wiretapped as a whole. Paul Manafort actually conducted business and lived in Trump Tower. And your last sentence also contradicts with your firsts sentence. "CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Paul Manafort" (but) "revelation does not confirm... as it is not known whether any surveillance of Manafort took place at Trump Tower".
:{{U|Boackandwhite}}, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a ] for ]. Regards,] (]) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it ] (]) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed ] and has been If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.] (]) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== A cup of tea for you! ==
There was surveillance on Manafort. CNN reported that and it occurred in Trump Tower. The Obama part is fine, but your edit contradicts your views. So, will you like me to change it or will you?


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Thanks! ] (]) 13:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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:In general, content disputes belong on article talk pages, not user talk pages. However, in response to your claim that {{tq|"surveillance ... occurred in Trump Tower,"}} I will note that ''CNN'' actually : {{tq|"While Manafort has a residence in Trump Tower, it's unclear whether FBI surveillance of him took place there."}} I personally would be shocked if no intelligence agency surveilled Trump Tower or any of its residents, but ] have yet to confirm that that occurred—nor are RS generally portraying the confirmation of a wiretap on Manafort (something that informed observers have been speculating about for months) as validating the specific assertions, of unclear provenance, that Trump tweeted last March. (See, for example, '']''{{'}}s )] (]) 15:05, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | thank you sincerely for your contributions!! :) <span style="font-family: century gothic;">]<u> ] </u> • '']]''</span> 22:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

::True. It just sometimes I contact the user's talk page to make sure that they will read it, instead of an indirect potential. True. But I mean, would you be doing political business in Virginia and running a Presidential Campaign or work at your other residence of Trump Tower where you are running the Tower's owner's Presidential Campaign and do general business there. I agree we need to wait until it is verified, but it would make sense to conduct and run a Presidential Campaign at the same place were the Presidential Candidate wins. I agree with you. Imo, there is a very low probability of no surveillance at Trump Tower or the main stream media does not want to disclose such information. ] (]) 19:48, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} The fact that some people might have had their private phones tapped while they were physically present in Trump Tower isn't that relevant to this subject. What Trump claimed was that his own phones in Trump Tower were tapped - ''"Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower"'' - so Manafort being tapped, even if he was in Trump Tower at the time, doesn't shed any light on Trump's still unproven (and unlikely) claim. What I do find to be not-yet-proven-but-likely is the possibility that some of these tapped phone calls involved the Feds listing to and recording a conversation between Manafort and Donald Trump himself. What a story THAT is going to be when/as/if it comes out! --] (]) 20:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::We are all insinuating what Trump meant. We do not know if he meant his/his campaign/Trump campaign communication lines. Obviously the Presidential Campaign was primarily ran in Trump Tower. So, Trump could've meant that tweet as Trump Tower in it's entirety.
::::MelanieN is correct that there's no confirmation of Trump's twitter claims here. She's also very likely correct, to read between the lines, that the reason Trump himself got the two issues confused is that Manafort may have been doing Trump's business on Manafort's personal lines and so in Trump's mind and from the point of view of Trump's personal jeopardy, he may have been quite justified in his subjective sense that ''his'' "wires" were being "tapped." ]] 22:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::As ]'s former chief of staff, ], told '']'' on March 7, the ''only'' way that Trump could have been tapped directly is in the unlikely scenario that ] (]) 22:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::Which has been thoroughly, THOROUGHLY debunked by the British. They made it clear there is pretty much no way such a request could even have been made, much less carried out. --] (]) 03:47, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

== You Are On The Right Track! ==

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I'm not aware of a specific Misplaced Pages guideline regarding the italicization of broadcast news outlets (at the moment it isn't specifically mentioned in ]), but it seems like all the articles for these news outlets don't use italics (see the articles for ], ], ], etc.) In the templates, I generally try to use the {{para|publisher}} parameter for these outlets. This seems like a cheap hack, though . If you're interested in changing established norms, I suggest you raise the issue at ]. <em><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></em> 08:14, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

== Comment ==

I've seen your edit about the discussion over representative tweets, which I hadn't been following. I think it's perfectly reasonable to include examples of what Trump's shared on Twitter - I imagine a history textbook with illustrative examples in the future (if there is a future) and I know that "Crime Statistics Bureau" picture will be on there. I also would support including the "modern day presidential" claim: I think it exemplifies Trump's attitude to Twitter and the presidency, so I have no issues with having it at the start. 06:08, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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@TheTimesAreAChanging Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here with no regards to Assumimg Good Faith. If you have doubts regarding my WP:NPOV, you are welcome to discuss the edits with Civility and by focusing on the content, so long as you stop making Personal attacks. ~~ shadowwarrior8 (talk) 14:58 28 January 2023

Dreamcast Sales Numbers

Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese:
セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。
Which translates to:
Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units.
Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago:
https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
178.27.108.243, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson et al. (Routledge, 2012).
More broadly, what happens on the PlayStation 2 article has no direct bearing on Dreamcast. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus.
If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at Talk:Dreamcast, rather than on my user talk page.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
178.27.108.243, tangentially, this edit fails verification because the sources do not state that "Virtua Fighter 2 is the best-selling Sega Saturn game." Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in original synthesis of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn .
Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan?
I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago.
I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: based on existing documents/materials at Sega (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source.
Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof.
In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles states that: More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan. (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。)
This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Mujaheddin

Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein Boackandwhite (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Boackandwhite, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a reliable source for verification. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it Boackandwhite (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed verification and has been reverted. If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

thank you sincerely for your contributions!! :) x RozuRozu • cups 22:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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