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===You changed my correctons for the F-22=== | |||
You changed my correction about the F-22. It's an aircraft designed and built by Boeing Coproration NOT Lockheed Martin. Here is the aircraft in Boeing's official website: http://www.boeing.com/history/products/f-22-raptor.page Lockheed martin is currently producing the F-35. There are comments in the page that are not correct and they are biased. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:44, 21 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Nevermind. I dont know what I was thinking. Its LM indeed. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
===You are engaged in edit battles over your need to gate-keep all Clinton-related articles=== | |||
I'm taking this to the board, where complaints are made.]🌈 14:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Please do, ]. I will grab the popcorn and watch you embarrass yourself. -- ] (]) 14:44, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I'm not sure exactly what you two have in mind but this seems like a very bad idea. The US election is about 36 hours from being done. Patience. - ] (]) 14:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::I have nothing in mind. This is entirely a ] thing concerning religious affiliations in infoboxes (which you also weighed in on). -- ] (]) 14:49, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::: That you are so brazen and flippant is material to how you treat other Misplaced Pages editors with disrespect and contempt. Is this how you treat people IRL ? Please go . You need to account for your intimidation and harassment to the community. --]🌈 14:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::LOL. -- ] (]) 14:51, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Fine page!== | ==Fine page!== | ||
That's a very attractive talkpage you've got here. Minimalist yet striking. ] '']'' ] 23:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC). | That's a very attractive talkpage you've got here. Minimalist yet striking. ] '']'' ] 23:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC). | ||
== A pie for you! == | |||
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:LOL! -- ] (]) 10:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for your contributions to WP! Sorry for the whole Trump thing. Hopefully I did not come off in a bad light. I was not trying to be an ass or anything. As I said I don't think either of us did anything particularly reprehensible, but I still feel responsible for getting us both sacked. Hope this pie makes up for anything I did or failed to do. Cheers (and for the record I'm not a MAGA person, not that I would let it get in the way of NPOV if I was) ] <sup>]</sup> 16:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply|Maslowsneeds}} Huh? -- ] (]) 15:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::::I received a notification yesterday that you posted something that referenced me. I came to your page to respond, but then the section I read and was responding to was deleted. I don't know how this comment saved, if the section I was reading and that I thought I was responding to got deleted. Please ignore. I'm sorry, I did not mean to post an unwarranted comment like this. ]🌈 15:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{reply|Maslowsneeds}} Weird. As far as I know, we haven't "crossed paths" since the beginning of November. Anyway, no harm done - we're cool :-) -- ] (]) 15:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I got a notification yesterday in My Alerts, which could have been an echo, and I followed the notification here. I swear I read something that promted my comment. I would not come here for no reason, so perhaps what I saw was an echo/something in my cache from weeks ago. Thanks for understanding. ]🌈 16:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For being unbelievably civil in your response to a frustrating situation here in our community of volunteers (the irony of the beverage in this barnstar is not lost on me). ] (]) 21:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
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No. The only one that makes any sense is politician, businessman, television personality and President-elect of the United States. "Businessman" covers the real estate developer aspect. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
{{hat|Editor's priviledge -- ] (]) 13:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)}} | |||
Be careful of 1RR <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 13:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|Awilley}} - Not applicable. They were completely different sections, and both edits were challenges to new material, and so permissible by Arbcom ruling. -- ] (]) 14:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::I point you to the definition of a revert: "A "revert" means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, '''whether involving the same or different material.'''" (From ] emphasis added) Are you able to point me to the Arbcom ruling that makes an exception for challenging new material? <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 14:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::This is evidence of inflexibility, battleground behavior, and being prone to edit warring. Consensus is achieved either falsely (by wearing out other editors and chasing them away) or by being able to live with more than only your opinion and choice. Scjessey writing that''' "the only one" '''that makes any sense is the wrong type of behavior. Even though I do not believe that "politician" is appropriate, there are certain combinations that would be more sensible than others. I will explain at the end of this (talk page) section and not insert it in the middle. Usernamen1 (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Er... I think this is the way {{u|NeilN}} enforces it, but now you have me confused. Editors ''must'' be able to challenge new material in this way, or the system is broken. -- ] (]) 14:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
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::::You should be worried about how ''I'' enforce it. The system has other checks for editors who aggressively add material. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 14:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::{{ec}} One editor doesn't get to sit on an article and revert everything added without considering ]. That being said, if an editor is adding new material with each edit and constantly getting reverted by different editors then we can look at that as well. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:39, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::{{reply|Usernamen1}} What on earth are you talking about? I get that you disagree with my view, but it is just as valid as yours. Given the fact I have been a Wikipedian for 11 years and have over 24 thousand edits under my belt, whereas you have less than 250 edits in the 4 months you have been with the project, I would argue that I have a better grasp than you do of what is and is not appropriate. -- ] (]) 13:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{reply|NeilN}} In that case, I have misinterpreted how the BRD/challenge system is supposed to work. My first reversion is ] and awaiting new respondents. My second reversion, which I guess took me over 1RR, has been ], with the result being the removal of additional material to complement the reversion. If you or Awilley think my reversions are disruptive enough to warrant sanction, I will not complain; however, I believe this will make it hard to cope with multiple, separate additions. In fact, I in one of the discussions. -- ] (]) 14:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Thank you for your statemment that "I get that you disagree with my view, but it is just as valid as yours." Previously you had written that the only view is yours (top quote). ] (]) 21:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{ec}} If you really prefer a sanction to simply self-reverting one of your edits then please consider yourself restricted to ] on all articles related to post-19-whatever American Politics. I'll finish up the paperwork later. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 15:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{reply|Usernamen1}} If you have nothing useful to say, I'd really rather you didn't bother commenting. -- ] (]) 22:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Scjessey has pointed out one dysfunction of the system. The other one that's been mentioned by several talk page editors, and by me on NeilN's talk page a while back, is that after content has "aged" by a month or so, it is being rewritten -- often in flurries of consecutive edits -- to insinuate POV changes under the guise of "copyedit" "remove redundant sources" etc. and anyone who restores the stable version of any of these changes will be making a 'revert' under the current 1RR interpretation. The result is that only a fraction of these bad edits gets reverted each time and the others tend to be forgotten and cannot be reverted for another month until they age so that they can be undone without "reverting". I believe that the Admins who regularly watch this page have seen this and some kind of attention to this issue would be helpful. ]] 15:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{ping|SPECIFICO}} Regarding your second point, "cannot be reverted for another month until they age" doesn't make a lot of sense. If the rewrites introduce objectionable terms/insinuations then a revert triggers the consensus required restriction. I know I've warned editors trying to change stable material this way. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Hi NeilN. The problem is that when there are say half a dozen of these questionable tweaks all at once, an editor "uses up" his daily revert on one of them. Then five other editors can be similarly disabled for the day if they all come to undo the damage. And they usually can't be "undone" en masse because they may have one or two valid cleanup edits among them so a mass revert is not possible and "undo" wont work where some of the text has been tweaked in more than one edit. ]] 15:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::{{ping|SPECIFICO}} I'm missing something. Why are the five other editors stopped from reverting changes? Are you saying they've used up their individual reverts but the original editor is still tweaking after that? --] <sup>]</sup> 15:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Editors say they are reluctant to "use up" their daily revert undoing somebody who appears to be gaming the system, leaving them unable to engage with new content that will expand and improve the article. Comments to this effect are scattered on the talk page over time, sometimes even with a call for someone else with a revert available to step in. It appears to be gaming the system when one editor can disable several others by waiting a month and then changing longstanding content (not a revert) while it takes several editors using up their daily budget to undo the damage. This might sound like cloak and dagger stuff, but I assure you it's an increasing problem because it's a very effective strategy for editors who wish to insert non-consensus minority or fringe material in these articles. ]] 15:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::{{ping|SPECIFICO}} It would be helpful if you could list diffs of edits that employ this strategy or alert an admin (providing diffs) the next time it occurs. Admins have heard the desire for a greater willingness on their part to employ sanctions so any game playing like that will be looked at. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::NeilN, that is very constructive and I will do so on your talk page either looking back or next time I feel that this has occurred. ]] 18:21, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
{{od}} {{reply|Awilley}} I can self-revert if you like, but it will just mean another editor will have to revert my revert, since we already have a consensus on the new version. Do you want me to do that to avoid sanction? Also, I can't actually do an "undo" of because of subsequent edits. I'll have to do it manually, then someone else will have to revert my edit. This all seems rather pointless, but I'll do it to avoid sanction if you insist. -- ] (]) 15:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:The ship has sailed on avoiding sanction. You would have avoided it if you had self-reverted after my 2nd or 3rd post here. The only thing I haven't decided on yet is the duration. Re: manual reverts, I expect Wikipedians to be proactive problem solvers. I don't have time to hold your hand the whole way and I'm certainly not going to explain how to do a manual revert or tell you what to put in your edit summary. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 16:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply|Awilley}} The second reversion that challenged added material, the one that took me over 1RR, prompted a discussion on the talk page with the editor in question (which is how it is supposed to work). It led to a solution we were both happy with, which the other editor then implemented, '''before you even had a chance to make your second post to this discussion'''. Reverting my offending edit thereafter would have been a pointless exercise. I even pinged {{u|NeilN}} because of my confusion, which led to a useful discussion about issues with this policy. So at this point, any sanction you give me would not be to "prevent harm" to the encyclopedia, but rather it would be purely ]. If you really feel it is necessary, please do what you think is best; however, perhaps you should consider consulting one of your administrator colleagues. Incidentally, if your intention is to restrict me to 1RR on the politics topic, is that not ''already'' the case? Is that not why you are sanctioning me in the first place? I'm confused. -- ] (]) 17:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::: {{ec}} My objective here is to teach you to follow 1RR and to be proactive in fixing your own mistakes. When an editor or admin approaches you on your talk page pointing out a mistake you have made, it is your responsibility to fix that mistake, not argue endlessly about policy. To me that (preventative) lesson is worth the extra disruption of making SPECIFICO or whoever spend 5 seconds re-reverting your self-revert. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 18:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::{{reply|Awilley}} I already understand how 1RR works (I have a substantial, multi-year editing history), although I confess I thought it did not apply to "challenged material". I think what you are suggesting is punitive, not preventative. I'm sorry you can't see the absurdity of me reverting a thing and then asking someone else to undo the revert (costing ''them'' their 1RR of the day) just to satisfy what I perceive to be astonishing inflexibility on your part. I'm just shaking my head here. -- ] (]) 19:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::We'll just have to agree to disagree I suppose. In the future though, if somebody approaches you on your talk page and correctly informs you that you've exceeded 1RR (or 3RR or whatever) your next edit should be to self-revert something, assuming you want to avoid a sanction. The more you put it off and argue the more likely you are to get a block. In re-reading the above I realize that I didn't actually ask you to self-revert early on. I assumed (incorrectly apparently) that as an experienced editor you would know that was the right thing to do. Because of that I'm not going to make the 1RR sanction as long as I had determined to do earlier today. It will be for 3 months and covers post 1932 American Politics broadly construed. I won't insult you with a template, but it will be logged at ]. It can be appealed directly to me or at WP:AE if you want. To answer your question above, this 1RR is only partially redundant with the politics articles you edit, not all of which are covered by the special 1RR and consensus required rules. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 06:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{reply|Awilley}} I accept the penalty, although I maintain it is entirely punitive, and I think that reflects on your approach to administation poorly. I won't be arguing it, because I admit the violation (although I didn't initially think it ''was'' a violation). I believe editors should be able to do what I did without it being a violation, although that's for discussion elsewhere. -- ] (]) 13:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Awilley, you are basically citing Scjessey for jaywalking while there's folks across the street holding hostages by the throat chanting in tongues. Anyway, Scjessey is actually one of the editors who received an AE warning long ago and has done nothing uncivil since then. He's a poster-person for how DS should work, not a problem case. I don't think anything other than acknowledgement of his acknowledgement and a smile is necessary to prevent any future problem. ]] 17:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
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::::: My bad, I thought you were referring to JFG with your "holding hostages by the throat" analogy. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 18:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
Scjessey had the courtesy to ], as all his reverts today challenged my edits. Technically he did perform three reverts of newly-added content: , and . On the other hand, he engaged in good-faith discussion on the talk page, and recognized his errors when pointed out. Any sanction should be lenient. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks, {{u|JFG}}, although that middle edit is clearly not a reversion. -- ] (]) 19:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::This middle edit at 13:34 was most certainly a revert of the content I . You chose to keep only the part that MrX , and you called it "false balance" in the ensuing discussion. Note that I had asked you to voluntarily undo your change due to a potential process violation, but out of courtesy I did not push things further. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::Your interpretation is flawed, but whatever. -- ] (]) 00:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::It's pretty clear that Awilley exercised the patience of Job with Scjessey. This is the Trump article. He was within his rights to block the minute he saw the violation. He was within his rights to block the entire time Scjessey was arguing about the "broken system." But what strikes me as troubling is Scjessey's initial remark "permissible by Arbcom ruling" and then when challenged changed his story to "Er... I think this is the way NeilN enforces it." Even after Scjessey's defense of the 1RR has been vacated, Awilley gives him yet another chance with "You should be worried about how I enforce it..." but Scjessey still does not self-revert. Endorse 1RR restriction primarily because when his defense collapsed he didn't take responsibility for it. – ]<sup>(])</sup> 01:10, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Thanks, but it's not really a vote. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 06:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{u|Awilley}} is correct; nobody took this incident to ], and Awilley has decided on a sanction by his own initiative, which is the spirit of "discretionary sanctions". Case closed. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{reply|Lionelt}} Who asked for your opinion? -- ] (]) 13:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{reply|JFG}} It's not "in the spirit of discretionary sanctions" at all. The purpose of the sanctions is to prevent '''harm coming to Misplaced Pages'''. None of the edits I did were harmful. They were ''productive''. In the case of the "violating" edit, it led to a mini-consensus between the two of us that we were both satisfied with. And it was ''that'' edit that led to me being sanctioned. That's just dumb. -- ] (]) 13:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I think {{u|Awilley}} has been graceful and lenient in his interactions with you; not sure it's in your best interest to criticize his decision as "punitive". Besides, there were three different reverts, and you are still contesting that they were reverts, while claiming you "understand how 1RR works". Puzzling. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::{{reply|JFG}} Lenient? Most other administrators would've passed it off with a slap on the wrist at the most. ] makes it clear this was a punitive act, since it did nothing to serve the goal of preventing harm to Misplaced Pages. Moreover, criticizing the actions of an administrator should have no effect on my "interests". Finally, two of my edits were reversions. The other one is something you concocted to make me look bad. -- ] (]) 13:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
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== A barnstar for you == | |||
Dear Scjessey, with {{diff||755831661||this edit}} you reverted my revert of someone who had removed this longstanding picture. Per 1RR/DS rules, please self-revert and take the discussion to the talk page. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:This was not me. I think my account was compromised. I have changed my password. -- ] (]) 13:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::{{u|HJ Mitchell}} I see you have blocked me because of a compromised account. I have changed my password. Do I need to do anything else to get my editing privileges back? -- ] (]) 13:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::Change your email. <strong><span style="font-family: 'Papyrus'">] ]</span></strong> 13:52, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For upholding the spirit of BRD at ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::Since we don't know whether the account is still compromised, and must assume it is at this time, some convincing off-site verification will be necessary, preferably using a pre-established non-compromised identity. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 13:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::::{{reply|Marvellous Spider-Man}} The email account associated with my Misplaced Pages account? I'm not sure what purpose that would serve. My original Misplaced Pages password (now changed) was not used for anything else. It would be ''awesome'' if two-factor authentication was a fully rolled out feature on Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 13:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|JFG}} Thank you :-) -- ] (]) 11:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::* '''Note''' - I have a meeting I need to go to for about four hours, so I will be away from Misplaced Pages. If anyone has any good ideas about how I can get unblocked in the meantime, I would greatly appreciate it. -- ] (]) 14:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Sorry about this, Simon, but you'll need to find some way of proving that you're the real Scjessey. Are there admins or well-known editors you know in real life or you've contacted off-wiki that you can contact to verify who you are? ] | ] 14:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::I suggest a selfie photo taken holding today's newspaper. That could be compared to the photo on his user page.- ]] 14:10, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I'd be satisfied with that. Thanks, MrX. ] | ] 14:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::{{reply|HJ Mitchell}} I don't get a newspaper, but I can take a selfie with this talk page in the picture (functionally equivalent) and then upload it to my personal website. If that doesn't prove I'm me, I don't know what does. -- ] (]) 18:20, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::{{reply|HJ Mitchell}} Okay, I've done it. Please don't laugh when you click on it is me. You may need to copy/paste the URL directly into your browser because of the way my server is setup. -- ] (]) 18:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::{{reply|MrX}} I've had to do a modified version of your idea. Not getting any responses though. Any chance you could mention my plight to a passing admin for me? -- ] (]) 18:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I get a "forbidden" error there. ] | ] 18:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::You should be able to just go to the link directly in your browser. -- ] (]) 18:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::::::::::Works with a copy/paste. It's him (with a sad look) :)) ] (]) 18:44, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::That's a relief. I was going to do a Google Photos link, but Google uses a URL shortener that Misplaced Pages apparently blocks. -- ] (]) 18:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::{{reply|TracyMcClark}} Well... I'm bummed about being blocked. With that said, I can appreciate the humor of the situation as well as the inconvenience of it. -- ] (]) 18:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::::::::::::::I definitely can see your frustration in the pic. The little ordeal should be over shortly, tho. Cheers, ] (]) 18:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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{{od}} Seriously though. Misplaced Pages needs 2FA more than ever. -- ] (]) 18:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | While I obviously disagree with you regarding my Trump article edits, and I believe in God, it seems we agree on a number of things. I agree that organized religion does more harm than good, whether it's Islamic terrorism or Catholic priests abusing children and covering it up. I am likewise a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I believe in a woman's right to abortion, and same-sex marriage (if you are against abortion, don't have one, and if you are against same-sex marriage don't marry someone of the same sex - but don't tell other people what to do with their lives). Everyone should have the same rights and protections - no more and no less. I believe in smaller government, but recognize that there are some issues only a strong federal government can address (e.g. environmental protection, workplace safety). I believe the Constitution has been weakened in many ways, in particular by subrogating States' rights, expansion of the commerce clause, and by Congress delegating rulemaking to executive agencies. | |||
And who doesn't like baklava? ] (]) 21:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
*Unblocked. Hello there, Scjessey, welcome back. Me, I don't use 2FA (too inconvenient with all my socks, cough), but I have a strong-ass password. ] | ] 18:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC). | |||
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:*Bless you, ]. Sorry for all the trouble everyone. -- ] (]) 18:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|JohnTopShelf}} Thank you! -- ] (]) 22:32, 20 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::*I can see it now. Was unblocking but Bish beat me to the button (she moves fast for a dinosaur!). I trust you have a strong password now? One that you don't use anywhere else (and FYI, MediaWiki supports absurdly long passwords)? Best, ] | ] 19:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:::*Thank you, ]. My password is much stronger now. Fortunately, I never use the same password on different accounts. -- ] (]) 19:03, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::*Any idea how his happened then? Reuse of passwords between websites was thought to be the cause of the last incident like this. Might be worth an email to the WMF. ] | ] 19:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::*I have absolutely no idea. The only thing I can think of is that I've had the same password for years and never really given it much thought. I will change it on a regular basis from now on. And now I think of it, I have a global Wikimedia login setup. I'd better check to see if anything else has been messed with. -- ] (]) 19:18, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
{{outdent}}FYI: A password manager like can come in very handy to prevent password reuse. ] (]) 03:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:As I indicated earlier, password reuse wasn't the issue because I don't reuse passwords. The problem is more likely related to the fact I've not changed the password for many years and it wasn't nearly strong enough. I was just lazy about it. -- ] (]) 13:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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== Talk:Donald Trump == | |||
I have in the past offered unsolicited criticism of the nature of your participation at ]. I don't have a clear memory of what I complained about, but I do recall thinking you were flirting with topic ban. I came here to tell you that I perceived a marked improvement I guess about 6 months ago, and it has been a lasting one. I appreciate it, and I wanted to give credit where credit is due. I don't think this has much to do with the fact that you seem to side with me a lot lately; at least I hope I'm not that shallow. | |||
Which comment? --] (]) 23:02, 29 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|Dervorguilla}} comment. It added nothing whatsoever to the discussion except pissing other editors off. -- ] (]) 13:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
I'd spend the time trying to find an appropriate barnstar, but it appears you don't save them here or on your user page. | |||
I have added a new Option C to the most recent survey at the Trump talk page. I think everyone will find it appealing, so please comment about it and we can be done with this. Thanks.] (]) 23:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
So I arrived here and noticed the previous section, in which you received a complaint from an experienced editor (his adminship is perhaps irrelevant, I don't know), and you neither responded to the complaint nor acted on it. You just ignored the complaint, and the comment he referred to made it into the archive. So my high praise has to be tempered slightly. | |||
== Incompetence == | |||
Looking forward to a continued working relationship. ―] ] 19:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
You accuse me of sounding "incompetent." I cannot imagine anything more incompetent than referring to Trump's ascension to the presidency in future tense instead of past tense, and in the lead of an extremely high-profile BLP to boot. I am not going to offer you any concessions in order to get it changed to past sense. Your position is quite (shall we say?) untenable.] (]) 20:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|Mandruss}} Your comment is much appreciated, as your unsolicited criticism has been. I've been a Wikipedian for many years, but I'm not such an "old hand" that I can't take advice from others. The topic areas I mostly involve myself with a quite, er, ''spirited'' in their nature, so it is easy for me to get emotionally caught up in things from time to time. I collect nice comments and barnstars at ]. And by way of penance, I collect the less nice stuff too: ]. | |||
:You failed to seek consensus and blundered forward anyway. And I said it makes ''Misplaced Pages'' seem incompetent, not you. -- ] (]) 14:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:With respect to the complaint you mentioned, I looked at my comment and did not think it was inappropriate at the time, and given my previous interactions with the editor who complained I did not think I would be able to respond productively. You could say the ''lack'' of response was my response. With the benefit of a historical perspective I would agree my comment doesn't look good in a vacuum; nevertheless, in the context of the inflamed passions of the discussion at the time I am ''still'' content to leave it. I hope you aren't too disappointed in me for doing so. | |||
:Please do continue to offer your unsolicited criticism in this space moving forward, as I value it greatly. -- ] (]) 13:45, 17 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
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I saw your edit on Donald Trump talk and 'the Trump family lie,' and that is exactly what is needed on Donald Trump. on the Barack Obama talk page asking editors there to come over to help. As I don't know any of them, and you do, if you know of any who might be interested, could you ping them and ask for their help? Too much is being excluded from this article, in my opinion, and editors experienced in a sitting president's BLP, especially of a recent one, and who managed to get that article to FA, are sorely needed there. Thanks. ] (]) 14:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Hey Scjessey, regarding revert, I thought I'd bring it here instead of directly to the talk page in hopes of avoiding a can-of-worms RfC that seems to be the norm there. Hopefully we can work out a compromise that will short-circuit that. | |||
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:{{reply|Mandruss}} Thank you, my friend. -- ] (]) 15:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Perhaps you would consider a partial self-revert that resolves some of these concerns <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 19:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I see this is now being discussed on the article talk page, which was always the better venue. -- ] (]) 14:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
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== Biden RfC == | ||
I think your arguments on the Biden RfC would be stronger if you left out discussion of the credibility of the accusations and the role of Sanders and Trump supporters in promoting them. This could alienate Sanders and Trump supporters who might otherwise agree with you. We cannot know how credible the arguments are or are not and one would expect Biden's opponents to pay more attention to allegations against him, regardless of their credibility, than his own supporters. These are the same arguments supporters of Kavanaugh used. The only policy based reason for exclusion is weight. ] (]) 18:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC) | |||
You stated that there's more than enough citable material to document bigotry, sexism, xenophobia. Can you please cite specific examples to ]? ] (]) 13:39, 9 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|The Four Deuces}} I understand what you are saying; however, I wasn't referring to the ''supporters'' of those individuals, but rather the ''sources'' being largely of that persuasion. As far as policy is concerned, I also think ] is significant: {{tq|If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.}} I think the sources we have fall short of those requirements. -- ] (]) 20:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC) | |||
:This question should be posed at the article talk page, not my user talk page. -- ] (]) 13:04, 12 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Comment review == | |||
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Hi. I notice that you previously had commented on the ] article. Over the past few months, a lot of editing has been going on at the article, and now there is a disagreement on the Talk page about whether the current version of the article is balanced or not, as well as whether the content throughout the article is appropriate/optimal for the article. If you can spare some time to analyze the article and the current discussions on the talk page, I'm sure everyone would be interested in your input, either way. Happy editing! -- ] (]) 20:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
Had to shake my head about . You started with "Exactly", indicating you agreed with SPECIFICO that {{tq|Personal opinions are not really helpful - there's no way they can support article improvement, so it's best to leave them out}}. Then you finished with, wait for it, a personal opinion, indicating that ''your'' personal opinions are ok, the only problem is personal opinions contrary to yours. Do you listen to yourself?{{pb}}I'm fairly resigned to some amount of that kind of talk in article talk. I even do a bit of it myself. I am not resigned to editors lecturing others in the same comment as they do the same thing they are lecturing about. ―] ] 04:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:It was deliberate. I was trying to be funny, but I guess it needed a smiley or something. -- ] (]) 12:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Mandruss, you know Scjessey well enough to know he's fairly far down on the list of editors who might benefit from any reminder about POV stuff. ]] 12:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
::It's okay. Mandruss is welcome to comment on such things, and is bang on the money. I had not intended my comment to be taken the way it was. -- ] (]) 12:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::No problem with Mandruss. Because you've disclosed your British heritage, the irony was apparent to me. Maybe not to all the Yanks. ]] 12:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Apparently I'm too Amurkin or too literal to know what you're both talking about, but I apologize for that defect. ―] ] 21:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
::What is amerkin? Did you mean a gherkin? ]] 23:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::] ―] ] 00:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Hyperbole is not helpful == | |||
Apologies for the unnecessary comment. I was reading the Star Trek Into Darkness page and found it really funny, and thought it would be funny if you were known for it. | |||
Greetings Scjessey. In recent weeks, you have repeatedly indulged in hyperbole when commenting at ]: | |||
== ArbCom 2017 election voter message == | |||
* On the dialogue with North Korea: "it was a total failure by any metric"; "woeful, one-sided coverage to a spectacular foreign policy failure"; "If you exclude the "failure" part, you are effectively excluding the only substantive part of the whole debacle."; "North Korea is at war with the United States and the DPRK's leaders are murderous dictators who America shouldn't be negotiating with. This is like when Neville Chamberlain met with Hitler." | |||
* About a source being discussed: "The suggestion that ''The Atlantic'' has a "perceptible slant" is laughable and has no basis in fact whatsoever." | |||
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I'm puzzled as how you think such remarks are useful to the conversation. If you still think Trump is Hitler reincarnate, keep it to yourself and get a stiff drink. In general, please tone it down or bite your tongue. — ] <sup>]</sup> 01:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
::{{red|If you still think Trump is Hitler reincarnate}} - Speaking about hyperbole? Do you have a link for Scjessey saying that? The quote above certianly does not say that. ]] 02:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::When I want your opinion, I'll contact you on your own talk page. Scjessey and myself can perfectly have an adult conversation sparkled with humorous hyperbole without your zealous urge to intervene. — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::{{reply|JFG}} Thanks for your comments! I will, of course, be completely ignoring them. Where Trump is concerned, it is almost impossible to be hyperbolic. I stand by everything I have said. -- ] (]) 19:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::Returning on another subject, just saw JFG's comment! Sounds like the "Lysol was sarcasm" bit. 🤐]] 14:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::{{ping|JFG}} While I can relate to the "butt out" sentiment, it's contrary to the spirit and tradition of "talk page stalking". If you want a one-on-one conversation, use email. This is not to imply support for or opposition to your other comments. ―] ] 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|Mandruss}} Well spotted. I was going to self revert, but it has been changed to something else. -- ] (]) 15:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Scjessey, I feel your pain on the BLP/Biden thread. I don't know whether you are aware that this editor is under a short-term ban from the Biden article and that there's been related discussion on its talk page and at ]. Stiff upper lip, etc. ]] 14:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|SPECIFICO}} I was not aware of the ban. It explains the vociferous arguing with a lack of article editing, I guess. With that said, it doesn't change my desire to try to work with Kolya to improve the article. -- ] (]) 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Yes, absolutely. ]] 15:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::{{u|SPECIFICO}}, please do not ever refer to me as "its" again. I take such language as a transphobic personal attack. ] (]) 15:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:El Cid, I believe recent discussion at Arbcom Enforcement has taken the view that your repeat edit is a violation of DS. Please consider. ]] 21:52, 22 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|El cid, el campeador}} Er... you just violated the 1RR rule on ], not me. Maybe look to your own editing behavior before offering a critique of someone else's. -- ] (]) 22:37, 22 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
Scjessey, please tell me what you meant by . I do not appreciate that; I hope we have a misunderstanding. ] (]) 15:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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::You said, "Again with the revisionism. You keep on doing this, and it is why every attempt that every editor has made to negotiate with you has failed. At least ''pretend'' to want to cover this neutrally and in the proper weight. It's ''exasperating''" | |||
:{{reply|Coffee}} Thank you for the absurdly aggressive enforcement detailed above, which was enacted more than 24 hours after the original edit took place, and which I did not interpret as a sanction violation anyway. I recognize that Arbitration Enforcement is a thankless job that few editors want to perform, and I thank you for stepping up to the plate and doing this important task, but I think even a cursory glance at my editing record would lead most people to think a knee-jerk block for a single edit I had made with a satisfactory explanatory edit summary was just a bit harsh. Anyway, I respect your authority and this will be my only complaint about the matter. -- ] (]) 14:13, 24 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I don't know what you're referring to as "revisionism"; I have been trying to work with you and others to cover this neutrally. | |||
::I don't request anyone respect authority, just the process; your cordiality and understanding, however, are noted and appreciated (not seen often while doing this). I prefer that blocks not be punitive, only preventative. If you can give me your word that you will not repeat such behavior, I will gladly lift the sanction. As is always my standard policy with first time offenses. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 16:56, 24 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
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::And now I'm hearing you say that I have "some other goal" other than working towards the good of the Project. I think there may be some projection; I go where I feel I am needed. We just have different opinions about what NPOV looks like. ] (]) 18:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
:::I said "revisionism" because you painted a picture of our interactions that was not a fair reflection of what happened. In fact, you have done the same above. I see little evidence that you have a true understanding of ], frankly. By trying to shoehorn a large amount of Reade material into the article, you are violating ], which in turn violates NPOV. -- ] (]) 11:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::I see, so we each feel we have made a better attempt at collaboration than the other. In the future please discuss how you feel rather than describing your perception of my good faith efforts, because your perception of what I am trying to do is inaccurate. Please note my attempt at compromise.. ] (]) 11:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::Editing the article text without an agreement on the talk page first is not "compromise" at all. -- ] (]) 12:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::: You're changing the subject to criticize my boldness instead of addressing your inaccurate characterizations of my editing goals and compromise proposal. ] (]) 12:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I am stating facts, not characterizations. Honestly, this is not going to be a productive conversation. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. -- ] (]) 12:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Re , it looks to be the same IP since the first four "words" of the address are the same, 2600:1702:2340:9470. The remainder of the address changes automatically and frequently for a given user. ―] ] 12:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:Okay. -- ] (]) 12:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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::This prompted me to open ]. Unlikely it will go anywhere, but worth floating. ―] ] 13:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for your contributions to WP! Sorry for the whole Trump thing. Hopefully I did not come off in a bad light. I was not trying to be an ass or anything. As I said I don't think either of us did anything particularly reprehensible, but I still feel responsible for getting us both sacked. Hope this pie makes up for anything I did or failed to do. Cheers (and for the record I'm not a MAGA person, not that I would let it get in the way of NPOV if I was) ] <sup>]</sup> 16:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|SPECIFICO}} Most generous of you. -- ] (]) 17:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Why did I have the impression you weren't around these parts anymore? Good to see you! <strong>]</strong>/<small>]</small> 03:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|Tvoz}} I am very much alive and active. I'm still focusing on the articles related to the Presidency, plus the usual suspects on my watchlist. -- ] (]) 17:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
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::Fair enough. My intention was never to break guidelines and, having read them first, I didn't believe I had in editing the citation rather than the text of the article itself. But we all learn. I will discuss on talk. ] (]) 17:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply|Birtig}} ''Excellent'' response. You are doing the right thing, even if it doesn't seem right at the moment. Collaborative effort is vital to the success of Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 17:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
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Was the edit summary really necessary? ''']''' 13:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|Glen}} I suppose not, but GoodDay is an experienced editor who knows better and they ''were'' stupid comments. -- ] (]) 13:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Not disagreeing, but, you know, ] and all that :) ''']''' 13:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::You shouldn't be ''deleting'' mine or any other editors' posts. Collapse them perhaps (though that would be based on your own personal reading). ] (]) 16:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::I disagree. Article talk is not a place for partisan garbage. -- ] (]) 16:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{reply|GoodDay}} I probably should've just done an "instant archive" instead of removing it, but at the end of the day you already ''know'' that posting that kind of nonsense is unacceptable. After all these years of editing, I cannot believe you've made such an error of judgment. -- ] (]) 16:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::What you do is either allow the RFC closer decide if my posts have merit or not, ''or'' you simply collapse it. You've done neither. You shouldn't be acting as though you're the boss, there. ] (]) 16:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::GoodDay, your conduct is simply not within Misplaced Pages norms. Removal or archiving is the least aggressive response, after repeated insertions like that. If you do it again, you risk sanctions. ]] 16:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I've restore my posts only ''once'', where's Scjessey deleted them ''twice''. ] (]) 17:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::You have inserted them ''twice'' - denial doesn't help here. ]] 17:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I gather the original comment was the tired old argument about liberal media bias, which is directly contrary to Misplaced Pages content policy? That's not entirely clear to me since I haven't been around GoodDay very much. I would've ignored or collapsed, depending on my mood, and a long-term pattern of such should go to AE. I wouldn't have archived or removed such a comment from an established editor, regardless of history. And I hope I wouldn't call it a stupid comment. But that's me. As usual, no clean hands on either side here. ―] ] 17:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
::I will vouch for Mandruss, who is generally more imaginative with his pronouncements, and "stupid" would not be his style. ]] 21:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Time to stop using Talk:Donald Trump as a forum == | |||
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In the last 3 months you have made 178 edits to ] and only 7 edits to ]. Of those 7, 4 were reverts and 3 were minor edits. This is not what "building an encyclopedia" looks like. If your posts on the talk page were all related to article development that would be one thing, but too high a proportion of your posts are you venting and expressing your personal opinions about the latest outrage or simply arguing with other editors. Here are a couple examples plucked from the current revision of the talk page: | |||
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*{{tq|Some of the arguments favoring Trump's COVID-19 response here are just astonishing. Mainstream media overwhelmingly describes the administration's response as being nine kinds of crap. Just look at the charts showing new cases and deaths and compare them with literally any other "first world" country, and it is clear the US response has SUCKED. Now the good name of Fauci is being dragged through the mud because some of the things he said earlier in the crisis were not accurate, despite the fact that it is a GOOD THING for scientists to revise their recommendations as new data comes in. It is almost impossible to overstate how badly the Trump administration has handled COVID-19, and blanket "oppose all" statements not accompanied by reasonable alternatives are absolutely useless to this discussion.}} | |||
*{{tq|It's particularly funny given that Trump is STILL claiming COVID19 will just "go away" without a vaccine.}} | |||
*{{tq|The only reason I mentioned it is that technically I believe the responsibility lies with Bill Barr. He could prevent this from happening, but he has become such a weakened Attorney General he basically does whatever he is told to do.}} (Citation needed for Barr just doing "whatever he is told to", otherwise it's a BLP vio) | |||
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:{{reply|Awilley}} The high number of talk page edits in relation to main space edits is perfectly normal for me. I try to spend my time helping to make decisions, but I usually leave the implementation of those decisions to other editors. This has been my consistent ''modus operandi'' for many years. As such, I reject your characterization that I am not "building an encyclopedia". Nevertheless, your point about my personal opinions being expressed too often is well taken. We live in an astonishing time when polarization, false equivalence, conspiracy theories and the denigration of the free press are the new normal. I admit I have allowed my personal expression to run a little more freely that I used to, although ''of course'' I never express that opinion in the main article space. I will do my best to keep such opinions in check, especially in the run up to one of the most important presidential elections in our lifetime. I am grateful to you for coming here to give me a slap with the proverbial trout, rather than just swinging the ban hammer. -- ] (]) 17:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|2600:1012:B1AB:433B:403A:6822:C042:6320}} It's meant to be sarcasm. -- ] (]) 20:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
Hi, Scjessey. I don't understand why you left a templated message about Mike Hocks Hucker's username , complaining about his username and also complaining about the fact that you hadn't told him what was wrong with it, and inviting MHH to ask you for clarification on your page. Is that what you meant to do? Please don't confuse the newbies. ] | ] 16:17, 15 March 2018 (UTC). | |||
:{{reply|Bishonen}} Sorry if I didn't get the procedure right, but it is the first time I have run into a situation where querying a username seemed warranted. That said, I would think the problem is obvious. "Mike Hocks Hucker" is clearly meant to be a jokey variant of ''cocksucker''. -- ] (]) 21:00, 15 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Man, you have a vivid imagination. But whether or not, I see you've gone back and made your post clearer. Thank you. ] | ] 21:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC). | |||
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== Trident 660 == | ||
Hey I saw the picture in the ] was taken by you. I just bought one yesterday and was going to do up a new picture for the info box. Do you have any issue with that? ] (]) 13:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
I'm not a , and I don't appreciate your snarkiness and inuendos that I'm not neutral, so please stop. There is a civility sanction on that TP - honor it. <sup>]]]</sup> 16:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
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:{{reply|PackMecEng}} None whatsoever, and congratulations on your new Triumph! You must feel free to come back here and tell me all about it. I very nearly bought one myself, but I am now leaning toward getting a Speed Twin (currently working on a new article for same). I am hoping to test ride both the 660 and the Speed Twin in the near future. -- ] (]) 13:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
::So far it's been a hoot! I ended up getting the quick shifter, connectivity module, and a couple other odds and ends. So far I couldn't be happier so far. Big upgrade from my little 390 Duke. One of the things I really liked was the little TFT display in there for Nav. It's not as full featured as a cell phone on the bars but it is a lot cleaner. Only thing is it's a bit bigger for a little lady like myself but then again most are! I had the opportunity to sit on a Speed Twin while I was at the dealer and it is really nice. I doubt you would be unhappy with either. What kind of riding do you generally do? ] (]) 14:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::I don't get offended that easily but I do get annoyed by disruptive behavior. You know nothing about me, my neutrality and obviously have no clue as to my motivations. Please do yourself a favor and ]. You, on the other hand, have chosen to publish your political & religious beliefs and biases on ] so I'll share a bit of friendly advice - stop falsely accusing others of not being neutral; rather, take a look at your own user page to see where lack of neutrality may actually originate. Happy editing. <sup>]]]</sup> 17:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Also if you are thinking of the Trident out the door with matt jet black and silver ice, quick shifter, connectivity module, TPMS, bar end mirrors(not in yet), and USB charger I was $10,632. ] (]) 14:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply|Atsme}} I make my biases known on my user page but don't act on them in my editing. I am ''scrupulously'' neutral. You can't seem to do that. That comment of yours about Trump and Obama was so painfully non-neutral, it is clear you cannot do the same. Now it is time for you to stay away from my talk page. -- ] (]) 20:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::If I ''was'' getting a 660, I'm pretty sure it would be identical spec to yours. I'd probably omit the bar end mirrors in favor of the grab handles at the rear. -- ] (]) 14:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::I came here to advise you to stop the snarkiness and PAs against me. I've completed that necessary task, so there's no need for you to be concerned about me coming back here again. I make it a point to steer clear of editors I consider mean-spirited and/or disingenuous as what your comments have indicated to me. <sup>]]]</sup> 21:09, 28 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
Both of you please wear your helmets so you can keep up the editing here.]] 13:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: I'm going to pile on here, because this needs to be said. ], Scjessey is right. You claim to be neutral, but you're not. Your constant snarkiness about Obama and Hillary, and defenses of Trump and denigration of the Mueller investigation and conclusions of the intelligence community are noticed. Don't try to deny that such is your bias. That's your opinion, and you have a right to it. Don't be ashamed of it by trying to claim it's a neutral POV. It's not. It goes against RS, largely because you ''must'' imbibe unreliable sources. Some of your statements and views are only found there. That causes problems at Misplaced Pages. | |||
:ATGAT for sure! ] (]) 14:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: Scjessey, OTOH, like myself, make our views known and don't claim to be neutral, but we try to keep that from affecting our editing. Can you see the difference? | |||
::Exactly. I live in Pennsylvania where it is common for people to ride without helmets, and I think they are out of their fucking minds. Full-face lid for me! -- ] (]) 14:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: Our thinking is informed by RS, not fringe sources. That means we largely agree with the Trump and Russia affair articles, and you don't. Our biases are informed by very different sources. It really can't be any other way. Outside of Misplaced Pages, it would be something we could just ignore, but here your attitude (civil as it is), comments, and tendencies, are often not-so-subtle attempts to undermine content based on RS because they are at odds with your non-RS informed POV. | |||
{{od}} {{reply|PackMecEng}} One reason why I have not bought a 660 is that I am hoping to do a bit of touring and the Trident isn't ideally suited to attaching saddlebags, etc. -- ] (]) 19:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: I don't know how to fix this, because no one can, or wants to, force you to change your mind. That's something only you can do. Progressives find it easier to change their minds, because progress involves leaving old ideas and adopting new, IOW a scientific mindset. They follow the evidence found in RS. Conservatives find this harder, because they are busy defending the status quo. With Trump's followers, things aren't black/white, because he is neither conservative or liberal. He's a blend, but his politics are populist and manipulative, really like quicksand. They are followers of a man who lies and manipulates constantly, and RS show he's being help in those efforts by Russians, with the purpose of cause division and weakening democracy. | |||
:Ah yeah I see what you mean. They really only have a tank and tail bag from OEM. Plus the wind protection is basically non-existent. At speed down the highway it is pretty rough. ] (]) 21:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: The only solution I can see is if you'll stop viewing fringe sources. Turn Fox News off completely. Don't access conservative websites or read FB posts from them. | |||
::I guess highway riding isn't really what it is designed for. It's more for your local twisty bits. -- ] (]) 13:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: Subscribe to RS. That's where the real evidence is found. On FB that's easy. I get all major RS headlines by email, FB, and Twitter. is very informative in this regard, because I post a lot, nearly all from mainstream RS, with an occasional slightly fringe post because of the POV, not necessarily for every detail. (I'd never use them here.) | |||
:::Yup yup, it's been fun riding downtown. Less so on the highway. ] (]) 00:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: and pointed out how you've got this backwards. Evidence/RS tell the real story, unlike conspiracy theories from unreliable sources. Take a look at my ]. -- ] (]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 01:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
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I have been doing some research on ] and I understand that you lived in the village for a time. In the past few months, I have been working to improve a draft of the current article here - ]. I wondered if you would be willing to take a look and to let me know if there are areas that need to be improved or if there are key aspects of the village that you feel are not covered. I would be very happy for you to leave feedback here or for you to edit the draft directly - whatever is easiest for you.<br> | |||
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:{{reply|Mertbiol}} My goodness! Your revised version is a ''substantial'' improvement on the existing article and I would wholeheartedly approve of its adoption. It's tremendous work that ''surely'' elevates it to Featured Article status. Honestly I can find no issues with it at all. Fantastic job! -- ] (]) 13:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Hi {{reply|Scjessey}} Thanks very much for reading through the draft and for responding so quickly. I will transfer the draft over to the main article. I would like to nominate it for a Good Article review soon (probably towards the end of June), but there are a couple more sources that I would like to consult first. Libraries have been open again for a while here in the UK, but finding the time to get to them is challenging at the moment! | |||
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:{{reply|Mertbiol}} It's difficult for me to devote any time to Misplaced Pages at the moment due to a number of other commitments. The other thing I would say is that I moved away from Ashtead in 1988, and not much has changed since then; however, Epsom has changed a ''lot'' since then! -- ] (]) 16:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
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== Sainsburys all butter fudge == | |||
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:{{reply|Porteclefs}} I'd be happy to, but when I clicked the link it said "You have either already completed the survey or your session has expired." ] -- ] (]) 15:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC) | |||
I thought you may be interested as you mentioned some years ago on the ] talk page that Sainsburys had a "butter fudge" in their range. Who knows whether this incarnation is the same beast but I noticed they now have an "". This is soft and malleable, like a fudge, but a little less so than the average and has a slightly crumbly aspect about it. The flavour is somewhat intermediate between your average fudge and tablet and, when partially dissolved in the mouth, has an aspect to the mouth feel that is a little tablet-like too, I'm guessing down to slightly larger sugar crystals. Not bad an alternative if tablet's not available. I don't mean to needlessly tantalise you with the information that is of little practical use, you now being in the States. ] (]) 22:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply|Mutt Lunker}} It has been a few years since I was last in the UK. I meant to visit this year (celebrate my 50th with family), but the whole COVID thing wrecked that. Sainsbury's used to be my go-to place for tablet, although Tesco's did a halfway decent version as well. Until recently, I was getting some tablet shipped over from a company in London called from time to time; however, they changed the packaging and name a few months ago to and I haven't had the chance to try it to see if it is still the same stuff. I've tried other brands, but they are definitely on the softer side for my liking. I like the dense, crumbly tablet. I can make it myself, but it's kind of a pain to do. -- ] (]) 20:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
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i have been wondering what you have been up to over the years! Came across your photo on here and instantly recognised you! It's Vanessa (from our Trewint Street days in the early 90s). Not sure I will receive replies on here without creating an account but have sent you a message on Facebook (well I THINK it was you anyway! Haha). Would be great to be in touch again and hear all your adventures over the last god knows how many years!! Vanessa x ] (]) 23:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Hi, Vanessa. I'm not actually on Facebook; however, you can get in touch with me through if you are on there. Another way to contact me is to visit my website, scroll to the bottom of the page and then click on the email link. I am understandably reluctant to post an email address on here directly. -- ] (]) 23:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::] hasn't been the same without you. And I mean that in the most positive way. ―] ] 23:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::@] I'm still around, but I'm avoiding editing politics for reasons of my sanity! ] (]) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::You're hardly alone in that. The editor mix is very different from back in the day. As politics articles go, that particular one is remarkably peaceful and orderly in my opinion, these days. The few troublemakers don't come by very often, and they are easily controlled by the rest of us, which is why they don't come by very often. I'm semi-retired and largely avoid other articles. ―] ] 23:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::understood re email address. I have sent you an email via the Trekkiemoto website. Thanks, Simon! X ] (]) 18:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Fine page!
That's a very attractive talkpage you've got here. Minimalist yet striking. darwinbish ☠ 23:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC).
A pie for you!
Thanks for your contributions to WP! Sorry for the whole Trump thing. Hopefully I did not come off in a bad light. I was not trying to be an ass or anything. As I said I don't think either of us did anything particularly reprehensible, but I still feel responsible for getting us both sacked. Hope this pie makes up for anything I did or failed to do. Cheers (and for the record I'm not a MAGA person, not that I would let it get in the way of NPOV if I was) ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia 16:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
The Civility Barnstar | ||
For being unbelievably civil in your response to a frustrating situation here in our community of volunteers (the irony of the beverage in this barnstar is not lost on me). 172.56.21.117 (talk) 21:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC) |
Careful
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Be careful of 1RR ~Awilley (talk) 13:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Scjessey had the courtesy to notify me of this discussion, as all his reverts today challenged my edits. Technically he did perform three reverts of newly-added content: 11:28, 13:34 and 13:42. On the other hand, he engaged in good-faith discussion on the talk page, and recognized his errors when pointed out. Any sanction should be lenient. — JFG 18:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you
The Barnstar of Integrity | ||
For upholding the spirit of BRD at Talk:Donald Trump#Reversion explanation. — JFG 07:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC) |
- @JFG: Thank you :-) -- Scjessey (talk) 11:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
While I obviously disagree with you regarding my Trump article edits, and I believe in God, it seems we agree on a number of things. I agree that organized religion does more harm than good, whether it's Islamic terrorism or Catholic priests abusing children and covering it up. I am likewise a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I believe in a woman's right to abortion, and same-sex marriage (if you are against abortion, don't have one, and if you are against same-sex marriage don't marry someone of the same sex - but don't tell other people what to do with their lives). Everyone should have the same rights and protections - no more and no less. I believe in smaller government, but recognize that there are some issues only a strong federal government can address (e.g. environmental protection, workplace safety). I believe the Constitution has been weakened in many ways, in particular by subrogating States' rights, expansion of the commerce clause, and by Congress delegating rulemaking to executive agencies.
And who doesn't like baklava? JohnTopShelf (talk) 21:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC) |
- @JohnTopShelf: Thank you! -- Scjessey (talk) 22:32, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar substitute for you!
Greetings!
I have in the past offered unsolicited criticism of the nature of your participation at Talk:Donald Trump. I don't have a clear memory of what I complained about, but I do recall thinking you were flirting with topic ban. I came here to tell you that I perceived a marked improvement I guess about 6 months ago, and it has been a lasting one. I appreciate it, and I wanted to give credit where credit is due. I don't think this has much to do with the fact that you seem to side with me a lot lately; at least I hope I'm not that shallow.
I'd spend the time trying to find an appropriate barnstar, but it appears you don't save them here or on your user page.
So I arrived here and noticed the previous section, in which you received a complaint from an experienced editor (his adminship is perhaps irrelevant, I don't know), and you neither responded to the complaint nor acted on it. You just ignored the complaint, and the comment he referred to made it into the archive. So my high praise has to be tempered slightly.
Looking forward to a continued working relationship. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Mandruss: Your comment is much appreciated, as your unsolicited criticism has been. I've been a Wikipedian for many years, but I'm not such an "old hand" that I can't take advice from others. The topic areas I mostly involve myself with a quite, er, spirited in their nature, so it is easy for me to get emotionally caught up in things from time to time. I collect nice comments and barnstars at User:Scjessey/Awardery. And by way of penance, I collect the less nice stuff too: User talk:Scjessey/Bad boy.
- With respect to the complaint you mentioned, I looked at my comment and did not think it was inappropriate at the time, and given my previous interactions with the editor who complained I did not think I would be able to respond productively. You could say the lack of response was my response. With the benefit of a historical perspective I would agree my comment doesn't look good in a vacuum; nevertheless, in the context of the inflamed passions of the discussion at the time I am still content to leave it. I hope you aren't too disappointed in me for doing so.
- Please do continue to offer your unsolicited criticism in this space moving forward, as I value it greatly. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- @Mandruss: Thank you, my friend. -- Scjessey (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Biden RfC
I think your arguments on the Biden RfC would be stronger if you left out discussion of the credibility of the accusations and the role of Sanders and Trump supporters in promoting them. This could alienate Sanders and Trump supporters who might otherwise agree with you. We cannot know how credible the arguments are or are not and one would expect Biden's opponents to pay more attention to allegations against him, regardless of their credibility, than his own supporters. These are the same arguments supporters of Kavanaugh used. The only policy based reason for exclusion is weight. TFD (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- @The Four Deuces: I understand what you are saying; however, I wasn't referring to the supporters of those individuals, but rather the sources being largely of that persuasion. As far as policy is concerned, I also think WP:BLP is significant:
If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.
I think the sources we have fall short of those requirements. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment review
Had to shake my head about this one. You started with "Exactly", indicating you agreed with SPECIFICO that Personal opinions are not really helpful - there's no way they can support article improvement, so it's best to leave them out
. Then you finished with, wait for it, a personal opinion, indicating that your personal opinions are ok, the only problem is personal opinions contrary to yours. Do you listen to yourself?
I'm fairly resigned to some amount of that kind of talk in article talk. I even do a bit of it myself. I am not resigned to editors lecturing others in the same comment as they do the same thing they are lecturing about. ―Mandruss ☎ 04:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- It was deliberate. I was trying to be funny, but I guess it needed a smiley or something. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mandruss, you know Scjessey well enough to know he's fairly far down on the list of editors who might benefit from any reminder about POV stuff. SPECIFICO talk 12:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's okay. Mandruss is welcome to comment on such things, and is bang on the money. I had not intended my comment to be taken the way it was. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- No problem with Mandruss. Because you've disclosed your British heritage, the irony was apparent to me. Maybe not to all the Yanks. SPECIFICO talk 12:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's okay. Mandruss is welcome to comment on such things, and is bang on the money. I had not intended my comment to be taken the way it was. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently I'm too Amurkin or too literal to know what you're both talking about, but I apologize for that defect. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- What is amerkin? Did you mean a gherkin? SPECIFICO talk 23:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Hyperbole is not helpful
Greetings Scjessey. In recent weeks, you have repeatedly indulged in hyperbole when commenting at Talk:Donald Trump:
- On the dialogue with North Korea: "it was a total failure by any metric"; "woeful, one-sided coverage to a spectacular foreign policy failure"; "If you exclude the "failure" part, you are effectively excluding the only substantive part of the whole debacle."; "North Korea is at war with the United States and the DPRK's leaders are murderous dictators who America shouldn't be negotiating with. This is like when Neville Chamberlain met with Hitler."
- About a source being discussed: "The suggestion that The Atlantic has a "perceptible slant" is laughable and has no basis in fact whatsoever."
- Disparaging your fellow editors: "Thank goodness it won't be you doing the closing, Mark, since you clearly aren't up to the task with that absurd summary."
- Disrespecting process: "Can we all agree this RfC should be aborted? It's a mess."; "Abort horribly misguided RfC."; "Really, this whole thread is a waste of time."
- Disparaging the American populace: "There are actual people out there who are dumb enough to believe Trump has personally sent them checks."
- Gratuitously attacking the BLP subject: "he has turned it into a Big Thing that makes the United States look like a dictatorship"
I'm puzzled as how you think such remarks are useful to the conversation. If you still think Trump is Hitler reincarnate, keep it to yourself and get a stiff drink. In general, please tone it down or bite your tongue. — JFG 01:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- If you still think Trump is Hitler reincarnate - Speaking about hyperbole? Do you have a link for Scjessey saying that? The quote above certianly does not say that. SPECIFICO talk 02:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- When I want your opinion, I'll contact you on your own talk page. Scjessey and myself can perfectly have an adult conversation sparkled with humorous hyperbole without your zealous urge to intervene. — JFG 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @JFG: Thanks for your comments! I will, of course, be completely ignoring them. Where Trump is concerned, it is almost impossible to be hyperbolic. I stand by everything I have said. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Returning on another subject, just saw JFG's comment! Sounds like the "Lysol was sarcasm" bit. 🤐 SPECIFICO talk 14:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- @JFG: While I can relate to the "butt out" sentiment, it's contrary to the spirit and tradition of "talk page stalking". If you want a one-on-one conversation, use email. This is not to imply support for or opposition to your other comments. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- When I want your opinion, I'll contact you on your own talk page. Scjessey and myself can perfectly have an adult conversation sparkled with humorous hyperbole without your zealous urge to intervene. — JFG 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- If you still think Trump is Hitler reincarnate - Speaking about hyperbole? Do you have a link for Scjessey saying that? The quote above certianly does not say that. SPECIFICO talk 02:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Heads up
Check 1RR at Trump. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:41, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Mandruss: Well spotted. I was going to self revert, but it has been changed to something else. -- Scjessey (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Biden 1
Scjessey, I feel your pain on the BLP/Biden thread. I don't know whether you are aware that this editor is under a short-term ban from the Biden article and that there's been related discussion on its talk page and at User_talk:Bradv#1RR_violations. Stiff upper lip, etc. SPECIFICO talk 14:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- @SPECIFICO: I was not aware of the ban. It explains the vociferous arguing with a lack of article editing, I guess. With that said, it doesn't change my desire to try to work with Kolya to improve the article. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, absolutely. SPECIFICO talk 15:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- SPECIFICO, please do not ever refer to me as "its" again. I take such language as a transphobic personal attack. Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, absolutely. SPECIFICO talk 15:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Please elaborate
Scjessey, please tell me what you meant by this. I do not appreciate that; I hope we have a misunderstanding. Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- It means I think for some reason, your focus has shifted away from the good of the Project to some other goal. Your entire Misplaced Pages existence since late March has been directed towards this one story, and that isn't healthy. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- You said, "Again with the revisionism. You keep on doing this, and it is why every attempt that every editor has made to negotiate with you has failed. At least pretend to want to cover this neutrally and in the proper weight. It's exasperating"
- I don't know what you're referring to as "revisionism"; I have been trying to work with you and others to cover this neutrally.
- And now I'm hearing you say that I have "some other goal" other than working towards the good of the Project. I think there may be some projection; I go where I feel I am needed. We just have different opinions about what NPOV looks like. Kolya Butternut (talk) 18:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- I said "revisionism" because you painted a picture of our interactions that was not a fair reflection of what happened. In fact, you have done the same above. I see little evidence that you have a true understanding of WP:NPOV, frankly. By trying to shoehorn a large amount of Reade material into the article, you are violating WP:WEIGHT, which in turn violates NPOV. -- Scjessey (talk) 11:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- I see, so we each feel we have made a better attempt at collaboration than the other. In the future please discuss how you feel rather than describing your perception of my good faith efforts, because your perception of what I am trying to do is inaccurate. Please note my attempt at compromise.. Kolya Butternut (talk) 11:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Editing the article text without an agreement on the talk page first is not "compromise" at all. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're changing the subject to criticize my boldness instead of addressing your inaccurate characterizations of my editing goals and compromise proposal. Kolya Butternut (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am stating facts, not characterizations. Honestly, this is not going to be a productive conversation. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're changing the subject to criticize my boldness instead of addressing your inaccurate characterizations of my editing goals and compromise proposal. Kolya Butternut (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Editing the article text without an agreement on the talk page first is not "compromise" at all. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- I see, so we each feel we have made a better attempt at collaboration than the other. In the future please discuss how you feel rather than describing your perception of my good faith efforts, because your perception of what I am trying to do is inaccurate. Please note my attempt at compromise.. Kolya Butternut (talk) 11:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- I said "revisionism" because you painted a picture of our interactions that was not a fair reflection of what happened. In fact, you have done the same above. I see little evidence that you have a true understanding of WP:NPOV, frankly. By trying to shoehorn a large amount of Reade material into the article, you are violating WP:WEIGHT, which in turn violates NPOV. -- Scjessey (talk) 11:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Revert IP
Re this, it looks to be the same IP since the first four "words" of the address are the same, 2600:1702:2340:9470. The remainder of the address changes automatically and frequently for a given user. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Okay. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- This prompted me to open this. Unlikely it will go anywhere, but worth floating. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'll admit to not having a clue about the IP address protocol. -- Scjessey (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- This prompted me to open this. Unlikely it will go anywhere, but worth floating. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For actually reading and sticking to what sources say. SPECIFICO talk 22:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC) |
- @SPECIFICO: Most generous of you. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
hello
Why did I have the impression you weren't around these parts anymore? Good to see you! Tvoz/talk 03:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Tvoz: I am very much alive and active. I'm still focusing on the articles related to the Presidency, plus the usual suspects on my watchlist. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Tvoz likes this.
Erm
Was the stupid comments edit summary really necessary? Glen 13:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen: I suppose not, but GoodDay is an experienced editor who knows better and they were stupid comments. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not disagreeing, but, you know, WP:CIVIL and all that :) Glen 13:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- You shouldn't be deleting mine or any other editors' posts. Collapse them perhaps (though that would be based on your own personal reading). GoodDay (talk) 16:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree. Article talk is not a place for partisan garbage. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @GoodDay: I probably should've just done an "instant archive" instead of removing it, but at the end of the day you already know that posting that kind of nonsense is unacceptable. After all these years of editing, I cannot believe you've made such an error of judgment. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- What you do is either allow the RFC closer decide if my posts have merit or not, or you simply collapse it. You've done neither. You shouldn't be acting as though you're the boss, there. GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- GoodDay, your conduct is simply not within Misplaced Pages norms. Removal or archiving is the least aggressive response, after repeated insertions like that. If you do it again, you risk sanctions. SPECIFICO talk 16:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I've restore my posts only once, where's Scjessey deleted them twice. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- You have inserted them twice - denial doesn't help here. SPECIFICO talk 17:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I've restore my posts only once, where's Scjessey deleted them twice. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- GoodDay, your conduct is simply not within Misplaced Pages norms. Removal or archiving is the least aggressive response, after repeated insertions like that. If you do it again, you risk sanctions. SPECIFICO talk 16:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- What you do is either allow the RFC closer decide if my posts have merit or not, or you simply collapse it. You've done neither. You shouldn't be acting as though you're the boss, there. GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @GoodDay: I probably should've just done an "instant archive" instead of removing it, but at the end of the day you already know that posting that kind of nonsense is unacceptable. After all these years of editing, I cannot believe you've made such an error of judgment. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree. Article talk is not a place for partisan garbage. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- You shouldn't be deleting mine or any other editors' posts. Collapse them perhaps (though that would be based on your own personal reading). GoodDay (talk) 16:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not disagreeing, but, you know, WP:CIVIL and all that :) Glen 13:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I gather the original comment was the tired old argument about liberal media bias, which is directly contrary to Misplaced Pages content policy? That's not entirely clear to me since I haven't been around GoodDay very much. I would've ignored or collapsed, depending on my mood, and a long-term pattern of such should go to AE. I wouldn't have archived or removed such a comment from an established editor, regardless of history. And I hope I wouldn't call it a stupid comment. But that's me. As usual, no clean hands on either side here. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I will vouch for Mandruss, who is generally more imaginative with his pronouncements, and "stupid" would not be his style. SPECIFICO talk 21:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Time to stop using Talk:Donald Trump as a forum
In the last 3 months you have made 178 edits to Talk:Donald Trump and only 7 edits to Donald Trump. Of those 7, 4 were reverts and 3 were minor edits. This is not what "building an encyclopedia" looks like. If your posts on the talk page were all related to article development that would be one thing, but too high a proportion of your posts are you venting and expressing your personal opinions about the latest outrage or simply arguing with other editors. Here are a couple examples plucked from the current revision of the talk page:
Some of the arguments favoring Trump's COVID-19 response here are just astonishing. Mainstream media overwhelmingly describes the administration's response as being nine kinds of crap. Just look at the charts showing new cases and deaths and compare them with literally any other "first world" country, and it is clear the US response has SUCKED. Now the good name of Fauci is being dragged through the mud because some of the things he said earlier in the crisis were not accurate, despite the fact that it is a GOOD THING for scientists to revise their recommendations as new data comes in. It is almost impossible to overstate how badly the Trump administration has handled COVID-19, and blanket "oppose all" statements not accompanied by reasonable alternatives are absolutely useless to this discussion.
It's particularly funny given that Trump is STILL claiming COVID19 will just "go away" without a vaccine.
The only reason I mentioned it is that technically I believe the responsibility lies with Bill Barr. He could prevent this from happening, but he has become such a weakened Attorney General he basically does whatever he is told to do.
(Citation needed for Barr just doing "whatever he is told to", otherwise it's a BLP vio)
If you want more examples, simply follow the links given in this sample of warnings from other users who have asked you to cool down and stop making unhelpful comments: Drmies MrX , Mandruss , Puedo , and myself . Really, it's time to stop. Otherwise I'm prepared to drop a topic ban. ~Awilley (talk) 16:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Awilley: The high number of talk page edits in relation to main space edits is perfectly normal for me. I try to spend my time helping to make decisions, but I usually leave the implementation of those decisions to other editors. This has been my consistent modus operandi for many years. As such, I reject your characterization that I am not "building an encyclopedia". Nevertheless, your point about my personal opinions being expressed too often is well taken. We live in an astonishing time when polarization, false equivalence, conspiracy theories and the denigration of the free press are the new normal. I admit I have allowed my personal expression to run a little more freely that I used to, although of course I never express that opinion in the main article space. I will do my best to keep such opinions in check, especially in the run up to one of the most important presidential elections in our lifetime. I am grateful to you for coming here to give me a slap with the proverbial trout, rather than just swinging the ban hammer. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Biden 2
What do you mean “every single person on the team gets to play?” I literally can’t tell if your joking or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B1AB:433B:403A:6822:C042:6320 (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @2600:1012:B1AB:433B:403A:6822:C042:6320: It's meant to be sarcasm. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Trident 660
Hey I saw the picture in the Triumph Trident 660 was taken by you. I just bought one yesterday and was going to do up a new picture for the info box. Do you have any issue with that? PackMecEng (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- @PackMecEng: None whatsoever, and congratulations on your new Triumph! You must feel free to come back here and tell me all about it. I very nearly bought one myself, but I am now leaning toward getting a Speed Twin (currently working on a new article for same). I am hoping to test ride both the 660 and the Speed Twin in the near future. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- So far it's been a hoot! I ended up getting the quick shifter, connectivity module, and a couple other odds and ends. So far I couldn't be happier so far. Big upgrade from my little 390 Duke. One of the things I really liked was the little TFT display in there for Nav. It's not as full featured as a cell phone on the bars but it is a lot cleaner. Only thing is it's a bit bigger for a little lady like myself but then again most are! I had the opportunity to sit on a Speed Twin while I was at the dealer and it is really nice. I doubt you would be unhappy with either. What kind of riding do you generally do? PackMecEng (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Also if you are thinking of the Trident out the door with matt jet black and silver ice, quick shifter, connectivity module, TPMS, bar end mirrors(not in yet), and USB charger I was $10,632. PackMecEng (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- If I was getting a 660, I'm pretty sure it would be identical spec to yours. I'd probably omit the bar end mirrors in favor of the grab handles at the rear. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Both of you please wear your helmets so you can keep up the editing here. SPECIFICO talk 13:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- ATGAT for sure! PackMecEng (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Exactly. I live in Pennsylvania where it is common for people to ride without helmets, and I think they are out of their fucking minds. Full-face lid for me! -- Scjessey (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
@PackMecEng: One reason why I have not bought a 660 is that I am hoping to do a bit of touring and the Trident isn't ideally suited to attaching saddlebags, etc. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yeah I see what you mean. They really only have a tank and tail bag from OEM. Plus the wind protection is basically non-existent. At speed down the highway it is pretty rough. PackMecEng (talk) 21:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- I guess highway riding isn't really what it is designed for. It's more for your local twisty bits. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yup yup, it's been fun riding downtown. Less so on the highway. PackMecEng (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- I guess highway riding isn't really what it is designed for. It's more for your local twisty bits. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Ashtead
Hi @Scjessey:
I have been doing some research on Ashtead and I understand that you lived in the village for a time. In the past few months, I have been working to improve a draft of the current article here - User:Mertbiol/sandbox2. I wondered if you would be willing to take a look and to let me know if there are areas that need to be improved or if there are key aspects of the village that you feel are not covered. I would be very happy for you to leave feedback here or for you to edit the draft directly - whatever is easiest for you.
Thanks and best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 09:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol: My goodness! Your revised version is a substantial improvement on the existing article and I would wholeheartedly approve of its adoption. It's tremendous work that surely elevates it to Featured Article status. Honestly I can find no issues with it at all. Fantastic job! -- Scjessey (talk) 13:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Scjessey: Thanks very much for reading through the draft and for responding so quickly. I will transfer the draft over to the main article. I would like to nominate it for a Good Article review soon (probably towards the end of June), but there are a couple more sources that I would like to consult first. Libraries have been open again for a while here in the UK, but finding the time to get to them is challenging at the moment!
- Thanks again for your kind comments and I'll keep you updated as the article moves towards WP:GAN. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Epsom
Hi @Scjessey:
Hope all is well with you. I've been working on the Epsom article over the past few months and I am thinking about submitting it for WP:GA. I'm sure you visited the town many times when you lived in Ashtead and I wondered if you'd be willing to take a look at the article and let me know your thoughts as to how I could improve it before nomination? I have set up a new section on the talk page for interested parties to discuss what additional work is required. I will ask a few others to chip in with their feedback and suggestions.
Thanks and best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 07:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol: It's difficult for me to devote any time to Misplaced Pages at the moment due to a number of other commitments. The other thing I would say is that I moved away from Ashtead in 1988, and not much has changed since then; however, Epsom has changed a lot since then! -- Scjessey (talk) 16:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Scjessey: Thanks very much for letting me know and hope to see you back on Misplaced Pages again soon! All good wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 16:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Sainsburys all butter fudge
I thought you may be interested as you mentioned some years ago on the tablet talk page that Sainsburys had a "butter fudge" in their range. Who knows whether this incarnation is the same beast but I noticed they now have an "all butter fudge". This is soft and malleable, like a fudge, but a little less so than the average and has a slightly crumbly aspect about it. The flavour is somewhat intermediate between your average fudge and tablet and, when partially dissolved in the mouth, has an aspect to the mouth feel that is a little tablet-like too, I'm guessing down to slightly larger sugar crystals. Not bad an alternative if tablet's not available. I don't mean to needlessly tantalise you with the information that is of little practical use, you now being in the States. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Mutt Lunker: It has been a few years since I was last in the UK. I meant to visit this year (celebrate my 50th with family), but the whole COVID thing wrecked that. Sainsbury's used to be my go-to place for tablet, although Tesco's did a halfway decent version as well. Until recently, I was getting some tablet shipped over from a company in London called Mr. Stanley's from time to time; however, they changed the packaging and name a few months ago to Butterfingers Fudge and I haven't had the chance to try it to see if it is still the same stuff. I've tried other brands, but they are definitely on the softer side for my liking. I like the dense, crumbly tablet. I can make it myself, but it's kind of a pain to do. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Heyyy and hi!
i have been wondering what you have been up to over the years! Came across your photo on here and instantly recognised you! It's Vanessa (from our Trewint Street days in the early 90s). Not sure I will receive replies on here without creating an account but have sent you a message on Facebook (well I THINK it was you anyway! Haha). Would be great to be in touch again and hear all your adventures over the last god knows how many years!! Vanessa x 2.26.65.92 (talk) 23:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Vanessa. I'm not actually on Facebook; however, you can get in touch with me through Twitter if you are on there. Another way to contact me is to visit my TrekkieMoto website, scroll to the bottom of the page and then click on the email link. I am understandably reluctant to post an email address on here directly. -- Scjessey (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Donald Trump hasn't been the same without you. And I mean that in the most positive way. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Mandruss I'm still around, but I'm avoiding editing politics for reasons of my sanity! Scjessey (talk) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- You're hardly alone in that. The editor mix is very different from back in the day. As politics articles go, that particular one is remarkably peaceful and orderly in my opinion, these days. The few troublemakers don't come by very often, and they are easily controlled by the rest of us, which is why they don't come by very often. I'm semi-retired and largely avoid other articles. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Mandruss I'm still around, but I'm avoiding editing politics for reasons of my sanity! Scjessey (talk) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- understood re email address. I have sent you an email via the Trekkiemoto website. Thanks, Simon! X 2.26.65.92 (talk) 18:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Donald Trump hasn't been the same without you. And I mean that in the most positive way. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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