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New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Wikaviani,

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

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Doogh Ayran Debacle

Hi Wikaviani, you seem like a very respectful and responsible editor with a lot of experince here. I see you're debating in good faith and appreciate it. I was wondering if you and I could co-operate on making the case for (and then properly splitting into) two separate articles, regardless of the outcome of the existing move request.

We'd have a better argument for two different products if we can build on the the Farsi-language videos that are in the links: just based on watching these, it is obvious to me that the the traditional doogh being prepared in the videos is a product that is much closer to buttermilk than it is to yoghurt-water.

That is to say, a good argument might be that

• doogh is a an Iranian fermented dairy drink traditionally made from the byproduct of churning butter, and is also made in its modern form by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt
• whereas ayran is a fermented dairy drink made by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt.

Can I expect that you'd be able to help me with this since you are able to speak the Farsi language? Wikabulary (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for posting here. I will be glad to help if i can, but please keep in mind that videos (youtube, dailymotion, etc ...) are not reliable sources.---Wikaviani 21:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Wikaviani!

1. Agreed that youtube might be a poor source but RS content can exist on it, right? (e.g., a new york times or CNN news clip). It seems that the video citation in this article for 'doogh' is from an Afghan news channel. There is a citation on wiktionary attesting 'doogh' from like 800 years ago as well (as a dairy drink made by butter churning). Seems like modern 'doogh' refers to a yoghurt based drink, but to prevent a merge of the upcoming articles, we'd have to separate 'doogh' sources from 'ayran' sources to a degree, and this traditional prep method would be a good start to this.

2. What is the next step? Where/how do we start a split (I am a novice user)? Do we need to start a request in the talk section or just make a separate ayran/doogh article?Wikabulary (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

References

1. 1222. Najib ad-Din Samarqandi. published 2017.كتاب الأغذية والأشربة kitāb al-ʾaḡdiya wa-l-ʾǎšriba. pages 114–116. isbn 978-90-04-34508-9 و الذي يُنزع زبده ويصفّى مائيته أيصًا حتّى يبقى منه الجزء الغليظ الجبني ففط وحمّض ويسمّى حينئذٍ ال دُوغ، فهو يغذو البدن غذاءً صالحًا وينفع أصحاب المعد الحارّة وأصحاب الإسهال المرّي لا سيّما إن كان من لبن أغلظ إلا أنّ المعدة الباردة لا تهضمه. واللبن الحليب يحمّض ويتجبن أيضًا في مثل هذه المعدة، فينبغى أن يهجر أصحاب المعد الباردة اللبن وما يتّخذ منه ويحذروا منها أشدّ الحذر. And when one extracts its butter and one cleanses it from its fluidity until only only the fat cheesy part is left and which one acidifies is then called 'doogh', and it nourishes the body nutritionally well and helps people with hot stomaches and those with bitter diarrhoea especially if from even thicker milk, only the cold stomaches do not concoct it. Fresh milk, too, becomes acified and coagulated in such a stomach, and it is desired that those with cold stomaches keep away from milk and what is made from it and beware of them warily.

1. Misplaced Pages uses reliable published sources, thus, a video, even from a well-known media outlet would not be considered as a good source, unless a published version of it exists.

2. You can create an article about Ayran, like about any other topic that is supported by reliable published sources, no need to to make a request, but if your article is deleted, then the burden will be on you to convince fellow Wikipedians that your article about Ayran is legit and relevant.---Wikaviani 18:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikaviani, note that particular editor has been here since 5 December 2020. Also note how said "new editor" appears to know a lot about Misplaced Pages policies(see:Talk:Doogh). Note their first edit, a "new user's" first edit is to post a request move on an article talk page? Rather intricate for a "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your insight. Best.---Wikaviani 22:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas Wikaviani
	Hi Wikaviani, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and healthy New Year, Thank you for all your contributions to Misplaced Pages,    –Davey2010 20:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks Davey2010, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year too ! Cheers.---Wikaviani 14:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

M.Bitton (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Thank you very much M.Bitton, likewise ! Cheers !---Wikaviani 14:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Wikaviani, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, Wario-Man (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Many thanks Wario-Man, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy new year ! Take care. Cheers.---Wikaviani 14:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you very much JBL, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year ! Cheers !---Wikaviani 14:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous

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Happy New Year!

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Hi CAPTAIN RAJU, thanks very much for the kind wishes, much appreciated. I wish you and yours a happy new year too. Cheers.---Wikaviani 23:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Helpful site

Search for books on this site. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much Kansas Bear ! Cheers !---Wikaviani 20:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire

Hello! I'm currently working on the article of Nabopolassar and I found this source, which goes into quite a lot of detail on Assyria's final war. I'll be using it in Nabopolassar's article and to beef up Sinsharishkun and possibly Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) (which maybe should be merged into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire since it's a different stage of the same conflict?), but I thought I'd let you know since you might want to expand Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire a bit with the source. I could do it myself as well, but considering you've done most of the work there and recently got it to GA I thought you might be interested in doing it yourself (also a good way to avoid the wording in all the articles from becoming essentially the same). Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Ichthyovenator, thank you so much for the source, i will take the time to investigate it in details in about 2 or 3 weeks, when i have the time to do that in good conditions. Besides, yeah, merging Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire sounds good, as per your rationale. Best regards.---Wikaviani 22:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Regarding a sockpuppetry investigation

Hi Wikaviani, I recently handled a sockpuppet investigations case against you (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikaviani/Archive). I do not believe that the IP editor or editors from that case are you, but after re-reading the case I believe that the evidence suggests that you might be coordinating with that person, so I would like to remind you of our policies on meatpuppetry and canvassing. If I'm wrong and you are not coordinating with this other person, then I apologize for the incorrect accusation. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi GeneralNotability, firstly, let me say that i'm not that person and no worries, i accept your apologies. I took a look at the SPI case and the thread on your talk and since you're not a Checkuser, i'll give you some perspective about all this. I'm a Frenchman (you can verify this quite easily with a checkuser) of Iranian descent, we have a proverb here, in France, (attributed to Talleyrand, if i'm not mistaken) that says "méfiez vous de la première impression car c'est souvent la bonne", that means "beware of the first impression because it is often the right one". Your first impression was the correct one, being of Iranian descent, i often edit Iran-related topics, and there is nothing surprising that other Iranian editors (Ips or registered) often edit these topics too. If i was one (or all) of the disruptive IPs, or, if they were my buddies, then why would i revert them here and here again ? and why would i file a RPP to prevent further disruption ? Why would the IP post a "warning message" on my talk accusing me of "Arab propaganda" ? Also, there was some other disruption not mentioned by Apaugasma : , , , which proves that these articles are targetted by trolls, thus, nothing surprising with the surge of disruptive editors sometimes. There are other arguments that would show you that i have nothing to do with the disruptive editors, but i don't want to disclose them on my public talk, i could clarify by email if you want. Maybe a checkuser would also be useful. Please let me know if you think i'm mistaken. Cheers.---Wikaviani 09:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikaviani, thanks for the reply. I don't need anything private, I wanted to give you that notice in case you were associated with the person behind that IP. Between the diffs you linked and your explanations, I'm satisfied that you're not connected. Please accept my apologies for the incorrect accusation. Best, GeneralNotability (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi

I wonder what you think of the changes on the page Turks in Algeria and can you look at the talk page there, whats your opinion?Loveisthebest1 (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

How my explanation about the current environment of my mother town city (Zanjan), can be counted as an advertising item !!!???

Hi Ms. Sahar Khodayari (Wikaviani), Your reply made me confused. You mentioned that "your edit to the page Talk:Iranian Azerbaijanis, seem to be advertising" but I can't understand how my explanation about the current environment of my mother-town city, can be counted as an advertising item !!!??? And unfortunately it looks my comment was removed from the list, probably because of that wrong misleading (advertising issue !!!) but as you definitely know, that wasn't advertising item at all. Regards, Behnam Behnam.Zanjan (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Behnam.Zanjan Jump to navigationJump to search Welcome! Hello, Behnam.Zanjan, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Talk:Iranian Azerbaijanis, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Misplaced Pages does not allow advertising. For more information on this, please see:

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Hi, your comment on the article's talk page was not supported by any source, that's why i (and another editor) reverted it. Best.---Wikaviani 21:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of 2021 Avignon shooting for deletion

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2021 Avignon shooting until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Sakiv (talk) 00:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sakiv: Thanks for the courtesy note.---Wikaviani 17:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Mehmed the Conqueror

Hi, what was wrong with my edit at Mehmed the Conqueror. I added source and respected Misplaced Pages rules. Please guide me to correct any errors if any. --82.76.0.201 (talk)

Hi IP, thanks for posting here. As far as i can see, you reworded the article in a less neutral version (by replacing "Some sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion" with "sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion") and you removed a source too. That's why i reverted your edits. Best regards.---Wikaviani 19:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh no, it's a misunderstanding. The source wasn't removed, it just automatically showed it was rewritten, because i rephrased the sentence so it would be together with the added content. I think it's better to add a paragraph below the one I tried to edit and to include the same idea. I just want to know if it's okay to say that some Greek sources say something about Mehmed II. I ain't implying it is a fact what the Greek sources say, but it contributes on a broader image on the subject by including the view on Mehmed from his life time. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

And I am really sorry, now I realized my IP changed even though I use same device. Just letting you know it's still me. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Third opinion at Talk:Genetic studies on Turkish people

Hi Wikaviani! If you would like to participate in the third opinion process, which is optional and non-binding, please provide a short comment at ] at your earliest convenience. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks for the notification. Cheers.---Wikaviani 19:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal. Visioncurve 06:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Visioncurve: Thanks for the invitation, i will join the discussion with pleasure. Cheers.---Wikaviani 19:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Removing others' posts from talk pages

A list of valid reasons to edit or remove others' posts from talk pages is given at WP:TALKO. This is not on the list. Please don't do this again.

As for the level-2 warning: I can see why you don't agree with it, but please do consider that my welcome post contained a first warning, and that the editor proceeded with another disruptive edit. I also believe they were probably acting in good faith (it's hard to interpret why they don't respond at their talk page, but maybe they just don't know that they even can do this), and if they would have followed up with more of the same, I would have tried to engage them on their talk page before going to a level-3 warning. Nevertheless, the escalating warning system exists for a reason, and I try my best to be patient with newcomers in any case. Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 22:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

"A list of valid reasons to edit or remove others' posts from talk pages is given at WP:TALKO. This is not on the list. Please don't do this again." : @Apaugasma: I'm perfectly aware of that nutshell (WP:TALKO), but instead of wiki-lawyering you better read Misplaced Pages:Five pillars, that are the most important rules here, especially the point number 4, that says "assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming to newcomers.".

"but please do consider that my welcome post contained a first warning, and that the editor proceeded with another disruptive edit." : I know that your welcome message contained a warning and i also know what the editor did, since i was one of the two users who reverted them, the other being HistoryofIran, but in my opinion, the editor, who is a newbie, just acted in good faith and included what they thought to be Jabir's nationality in the article, they may have missed the fact that their edit was reverted by me and made another attempt which was reverted by HistoryofIran, this is not vandalsim, rather good faith editing. We're done.---Wikaviani 07:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Rose water

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://iranicaonline.org/articles/golab, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Misplaced Pages's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Content you add to Misplaced Pages should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 19:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Diannaa, my bad, i thought i had reworded it. May i add the content back again with my own words ? Cheers.---Wikaviani 19:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

There's still a discussion underway on the article talk page so wait until you're sure there's a consensus to include— Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Please note that i agreed with LouisAragon and the other user (Trople) is a CU confirmed sock : Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#user:Trople.---Wikaviani 19:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

You agreed on a wording that violates copyright. Make a suggestion for a new wording on the talk page, and see if the other user agrees. — Diannaa (talk) 19:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, i see. Is there any threshold about how long/how many successive words can be picked out from a source without copyright problem ?---Wikaviani 19:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Content has to be completely written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material. Please see the article talk page for an example of how to do it.— Diannaa (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks very much. Cheers.---Wikaviani 20:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

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Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Misplaced Pages and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

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There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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persian gulf

hi. can you fix it? i explained https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Persian_Gulf#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_27_November_2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.158.110.122 (talk) 08:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Arabic name doesn't match English name and is not suitable as translation. Additionally it carries anti-Iran sentiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/Anti-Iranian_sentiment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.57.87 (talk) 20:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP,

i asked an admin about that, let's wait for an answer before any move about that topic.---Wikaviani 20:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank for reply.85.185.56.9 (talk) 21:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding death of Muhammad Ghori

Dear editor You have reverted my edit on Mohammad Ghori page wrt how he died. In all modern sources and including today's writers sources it calls Khokhars, Ismailis, Gakhars etc. Except one odd writer, it nowhere mentions Jats. To me it looks like Sita Ram Goel's book comes under WP:FRINGE, modern writers are clear that it were probably Ismailis, Khokhars and Gakhars etc depending upon writers who were responsible for his death. Sita Ram Goel has erred here, in the book it is not written what sources he has referred to come to the conclusion. I think it should come under WP:FRINGE and should be removed to avoid confusion in the minds of readers. RS6784talk RS6784 (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi RS6784, i think that the best thing to do is to take that source to WP:RSN in order to see what they say about its reliability. Best.---Wikaviani 22:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

From what little I remember about the insertion of that particular source, I thought I had checked it. Maybe I did not. If RS6784 feels the source is weak/fringe then I have no objections to its removal(including the corresponding information). My thanks to Wikaviani for their keeping an eye on this article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your insight Kansas Bear, i self-reverted. Best regards.---Wikaviani 22:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

It is all good, Wikaviani. Keep up the good work! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2021

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Thank you very much for your kind wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU. I wish you and yours a merry Christmas too. Cheers.---Wikaviani 16:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help

Greetings @ Wikaviani

Requesting your visit to article Draft:Aurats (word) relating to historical linguistics.

Sources from other languages indicate that, the usage of the word seem to have been transferred in some Asian languages through Persian language, during spread of early Islamic times, but usage in Iran reduced in later times. I am looking for and requesting support in expanding the article Draft:Aurats (word) with Persian language / Iranian sources, if the topic would interest you.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bookku

greetings and sorry for my belated response, i'm in a low wiki activity period for the time being.

However, if you need any help with some Persian language sources, i can help you with that, so please post the links of the sources here so that i can take a look at them.

Best regards.---Wikaviani 20:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @ Wikaviani I will keep you posted as any specific need arises further. Happy times and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Anytime. Best.---Wikaviani 16:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Razi

It seems, sooner or later, this editor wants to remove Persian ethnicity from Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi page lede. They have already removed three sources mentioning he was Persian. One those sources is a reliable quality source. Their last edit summary makes it clear that they don't like the quote from source. But from how I see It, the fact that source mentions the ethnicity of other physicians is irrelevant to its inclusion. Other sources mention that he was native of Ray, Iran or hailed from the Persian city of Ray, Iran which are not in contradiction with him being a Persian and actually further supports his ethnicity. They also used "greatness of ethnic group" in their edit summary, thus I'm sure they are going to stand against this source as much as they can. You are an experienced editor, what do you think?Premitive (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

High-quality reliable sources that should be used.

Per MOS, ethnicities should not be in the lead of articles. Simply move Persian to the body of the article and cite a reliable source. And do not use Hitti, since he states nationality. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages, i suggest to go by what Kansas Bear says, as it fits with our guidelines. Here is a source that should be ok.---Wikaviani 19:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: This misrepresent his ethnicity to those who only read the lead of the article. They might simply assume he was of Arab ethnic group.Premitive (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, but we editors have to go by what our guidelines say, not what we think would be better. You might want to read MOS:ETHNICITY in order to understand why Al Razi's ethnicity should be left out of the lead. If you have any question, please ask. Best.---Wikaviani 20:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• "This misrepresent his ethnicity to those who only read the lead of the article. They might simply assume he was of Arab ethnic group."

Having just read the lead of the article, I did not get the impression he was of Arab ethnicity. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I still believe some people might get that impression. But if you believe it shouldn't be in the lead then I just accept it.Premitive (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Can we include his nationality in the lead? I think first paragraph of MOS:ETHNICITY allows it. I thought Hitti is mentioning ethnicity but if it's nationality then it should be included. Some other sources Also mention that he was born in Persian city of Rayy, I think that is nationality as well.Premitive (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Are these sources reliable for his ethnicity? they seem reliable and the first one is encyclopedic and is written by George Sarton the second one is written by Arturo Castiglioni and the third one is written by Richard N. Frye.Premitive (talk) 10:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I also found this source written by Anton Sebastianpillai. The source has won a British Medical Association Medical Book Award. I'm not sure about author himself.Premitive (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Frye and Sarton are both reliable (like many others : Bosworth, Corbin, etc ...), you can add them if you want, but as we said above, we should leave his ethnicity out of the lead. Best.---Wikaviani 22:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for making your talk page look like this.Premitive (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem.---Wikaviani 14:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Would you review my edit. The source that I used was already cited in the article. It is a translation of a work by Razi from Arabic to German. Introduction in the source is written by Julius Ruska who is an orientalist and historian and has other works on Razi as well. In the introduction Julius Ruskaby reasons based on available information from primary sources (time/location/others) for descent of Razi's family. The source can be found in this link and the reasoning is in page 4.Premitive (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but i was not able to verify the page number of the source and what it says exactly. Best.---Wikaviani 17:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

By the way, de:Julius Ruska has much more info about Julius Ruska's academic background than English Misplaced Pages. Thanks.Premitive (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

References

1. A History of Science in World Cultures: Voices of Knowledge. Routledge. p. 218. From the 9th century, many translators became researchers as well, adding original work to the growing scientific culture. This was particularly true of Persian scientists, such as al-Kwarizimi, Ibn Sina, al-Razi, and al-Biruni
2. Hitti, Philip K. (1977). History of the Arabs from the earliest times to the present (10th ed.). London: Macmillan. p. 365. ISBN 978-0-333-09871-4. The most notable medical authors who followed the epoch of the great translators were Persian in nationality but Arab in language: 'Ali al-Tabari, al-Razi, 'Ali ibn-al-'Abbas al-Majusi and ibn-Sina.
3. Sarton, Goerge. Introduction to the History of Science, Vol 1. p. 587. The Persian al-Razi was not simply the greatest clinician of Islam and of the whole Middle Ages; he was also, as we have seen, a chemist and physicist.
4. Castiglioni, Arturo; Krumbhaar, E. B. (1947). A History of Medicine (2nd ed.). Alfred A. Knopf. p. 267. In this period of Arabian medical splendour , the best know writer, whose works where studied through centuries by physicians all over the word and cited as indisputable authority is Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakaria, called Rhazes (865-925), a Persian like most of the great physicians of Arabian period.
5. Frye, R. N., ed. (1975). The Cambridge history of Iran, Vol 4 (Repr. ed.). London: Cambridge U.P. pp. 415–416. ISBN 978-0-521-20093-6. The greatest of these figures, who ushered in the golden age of Islamic medicine and who are discussed separately by E. G. Browne in his Arabian Medicine, are four Persian physicians: 'All b. Rabban al-Tabarl, Muhammad b. Zakariyya' al-Razl, 'All b. al-'Abbas al-Majusi and Ibn Sina.
6. Sebastianpillai, Anton (2011). Dictionary of the History of Science. Informa Healthcare. p. 183. Rhazes (850—932) a Persian physician, devised catheters with lateral holes to drain pus.

Turkmenistan

hello, I added the second map of Turkmenistan because it was more detailed, the other one looked a little older. Do not worry if there is a problem. Teknoment (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i removed the map beacause there are other maps in the article (infobox + "Geography" section). Best.---Wikaviani 13:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

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Please help with arabian lies

please sir remove “sometimes called…” from [[Persian Gulf article beginning . Please

I do another vote maybe we can help PersianGulfWorld (talk) 05:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

must deleted and respect original eternal name PersianGulfWorld (talk) 05:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

A request for comments was made a few months ago, the result was to add in the introduction that this gulf is sometimes called Arabian gulf. When several editors disagree, a request for comments is made and if so, then the result is to be accepted by the community. You are free to open a new request for comments about that topic. Best.---Wikaviani 11:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Yeah, saw that, thanks for the notification, but it's not what i would call a "personal attack".---Wikaviani 18:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

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