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====Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest==== ==== RD: Garth Hudson ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Garth Hudson
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources = ,
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| updated = yes
| blurb = At the ], American ] wins for the eleventh time, eating a record 74 hot dogs.
| nominator = GeoGreg
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nom cmt = American musician, member of ], death announced today.
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
}}
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
*'''Oppose''' Article needs some citation work before it can be put on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
| altblurb3 = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

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==== RD: Jules Feiffer ====
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| article = Jules Feiffer
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| recent deaths = yes
| nominator = Andise1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = ,
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updated = yes
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters --> | nominator = Sunshineisles2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = NathanielTheBold
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt = American cartoonist, death announced today.
| nom cmt = I do not think this has ever been nominated for ITN before, so I figured I would nominate it since it is always in the news when it happens (especially in recent years since Joey Chestnut has been winning and setting records).
| sign = ] (]) 05:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | sign = ] (]) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' 2 CN tags - and the Selected Works section needs some citation patch work. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*Nice try, but DYK is ]! ]] 05:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' where's the encyclopedic value? ] (]) 07:32, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' &ndash; Awesome nomination, and a very interesting contest. However, I don't believe that this contest has as much international mainstream interest as The Boat Race or Japanese baseball. Moreover, there isn't actually much prose in this article about the 2018 event. Generally, I would prefer to feature an article on the specific event on the main page, rather than an article about the 50-year old series of contests. Lastly, there are some uncited paragraphs, including a in the Controversies section. I'd be happy to support this nomination had there been a high-quality, well-sourced article on the 2018 event specifically, exemplifying Misplaced Pages as a great source of information on a variety of interesting topics. ~] (]) 07:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


==== (Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire ====
==== Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess hospitalized after being exposed to Novichok====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2018 Amesbury poisonings<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal<!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Two people in ], UK, are hospitalised in critical condition after ''']''' to a ] nerve agent.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. --> | blurb = ] in ], ], Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| altblurb3 = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4 = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this --> | creator = BSRF<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = Borgenland,Chorchapu<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater --> | nom cmt = Another tragedy. Another article to work. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign = ] (]) 21:44, 4 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Wait''' - article is not ready and we need to see what, if any, connections there are to the Skripal attack outside of the nerve agent deployed before casting judgement on significance. ] (]) 23:28, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Yes, wait''' Until we're really sure we can blame those evil Russians. Otherwise this is just another (attempted?) poisoning. ] (]) 23:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' major news, will blow up when the world wakes up in the morning ] (]) 00:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' – Developing. ] (]) 01:00, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' it's in the news here, but the article is very light. There shouldn't be any rush to post this. Interesting no one is stamping their fists frothing at the mouth screaming about minimum deaths - maybe that's just a lame excuse to keep "us-centric" stories of the main page. --] (]) 01:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:* What is less interesting is your interminable conspiracy theories about keeping US stories off the MP. Give it a rest, please. ] 07:30, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::* Conspiracy theories? Nah, just pointing out bias. --] (]) 10:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - Not opposed, but the article is developing and the blurb so far links to neither article. If news reveals that the Russian government is behind it, refer to it as an allegation, but as HiLo said we should wait until we're sure about that. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 01:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The proposed blurb must be changed to use UK English spelling, and say "''hospitalised''", not "''hospitalized''". The victims are British nationals. The article linked to says "''hospitalised''". ] (]) 01:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:*”ize” is acceptable in British English and is preferred by the OED. ] (]) 08:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it's now becoming common place to be drugged by nerve agents in the UK, these two non-notable individuals will hopefully recover (as the previous more notable pair did) and we will get the usual denials from Russia, the usual obfuscated crap from the laboratories and the usual sabre-rattling from BoJo et al. ] (]) 07:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::<small>Ah, there's one. Blaming the evil Russians. Was waiting for that. ] (]) 07:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::Oh, so Novichok's just lying round the streets of the UK?? Please. ] (]) 08:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


:Like all of my other votes, '''Oppose on quality''' but '''Support on notability''' ] (]) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==== RD: Harry M. Miller ====
::@]: in good shape now. ] (]) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Looking better but still can be improved. ] (]) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead. ] (]) 14:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead & counting, in a fairly developed country to boot. ''']]''' 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

* '''Support''' at least Seventy a significant fatal incident.] (]) 15:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' seems a substantial event with a surprisingly high death toll. But the article is disappointingly light on details or context - it's a basic news report. Good enough to post but I'd like to see better content. ] ] 15:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' tragic, but lacks long-term significance. ] (]) 16:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Of course not, as the death toll can rise and an investigation is already underway. ] (]) 16:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*I share the concerns expressed by Modest Genius. ''']]''' 17:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - The event is significant enough for sure but until the article is expanded a bit more I don't think it should be posted. Certainly not ready in the current state. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 18:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Rest in peace to peoples who died from the fire. I know some peoples opposing it, but the article will be expand soon and the death toll might be rise. ] <small>]</small> 18:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Weak Support''' - article is slightly stubby. ] (]) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Wait:''' 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. ] (]) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Definitely worthy of being on the main page, at least 76 have died and 51 are injured. ] (]) 19:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. ]🐉(]) 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There are 76+ deaths (and sadly counting) and it's a significant event. Definitely notable <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] explains "{{tq|Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.}} I'm not seeing anything further in this case. ]🐉(]) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Håkon Bleken ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Harry M. Miller | article = Håkon Bleken <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Oceanh <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Some statements in the article still need citations. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Closed) Trump executive orders ====
{{atop|SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. {{nac}} ] (]) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
| image = Donald Trump official portrait, 2025 (cropped headshot).jpg
| blurb = Incoming US President ] ''(pictured)'' issues a ''']''' including withdrawal from the ] and the ]
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources = , ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = HiLo48 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = Canley <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = JackofOz<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| nom cmt = New Zealand born Australian promoter, publicist and media agent. Very well known to a couple of generations of Australians, including for serving time for fraud.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sign = ] (]) 02:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = , , ,
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = AndrewRT
| updaters = Pauliesnug
| nom cmt = These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO.
| sign = ]🐉(]) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* Fixing nomination header from 'nomination header' to current title. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Could use a couple more inline references but otherwise good. <span style="background: #0800aa; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #006eff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #00bbff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']&nbsp;'''</span> 03:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:* Thanks. There must be a lot of cut-and-paste when preparing the orders too. I trust they also have someone carefully proof-reading them. :) ]🐉(]) 11:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. Needs a couple of references. If those are fixed should be OK.05:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' See also ] as a potential target article.--] (]) 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a ] for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the ''American'' Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. ] (]) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. ]🐉(]) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Front-page news in Europe, of international political significance. Also nice Bond villain headshot on the main page. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Sandstein}} All that's missing is a pair of tiny hands stroking a white cat. ] ] 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst these first orders might be more headline-friendly than usual, we aren't a Donald Trump news ticker. He also withdrew the USA from the Paris Agreement in 2017, so that's hardly surprising news at all. ] 12:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:: We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. ]🐉(]) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::: And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? ] 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. ]🐉(]) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' He promised this, this happened. There's nothing surprising here. In addition, the focus on Paris and WHO are likely the lowest of issues of importance that his EOs addressed, as there's far more furor over, for example, eliminating birthright citizenship (which is certainly going to be in legal limbo for a while). ITN is not a news ticker. --] (]) 12:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There's a big difference between a promise and a decision that comes into effect (in this case, it's the former), and promises made by politicians during campaigns are usually not very reliable. He also promised to buy Greenland. Would you oppose it if that actually happens?--] (]) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::If the actual legal transfer of Greenland from Denmark to the US actually happens, yes, but even EOs are not actual actions since most of these are likely to be tied up in legal actions ] (]) 14:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' We are not a Trump news ticker. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' a politician doing politics. We will talk about it when the country's withdrawal from the WHO and the Paris Agreement is formalized. ] (]) 15:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Agreed, and only if those withdrawals get significant international news coverage (which it probably will), especially with the WHO. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Routine government functions. Not everything Trump is news. ] (]) 15:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' ] (or a mention ITN). ] (]) 15:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - Front-page news everywhere ] (]) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, '''oppose''' the other orders or lumping them together, '''strong oppose''' on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. ] ] 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. ''']''' - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. ] (]) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. ] 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== RD: John Sykes ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = John Sykes<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = SilverBullitt<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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==== (Ready) RD: Wang Jian (businessman) ==== ==== 2024–25 College Football Playoff ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Wang Jian (businessman) | article = 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship
| image =
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = In college football ] ''']''' ] to win the ].
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no
| sources = , ,
| altblurb = In college football the ] ''']''' the ] to win the ].
| updated = yes
| nominator = Zanhe <!-- Do NOT change this --> | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| updater = Zanhe <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters --> | nominator = Sagittarian Milky Way <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Chinese billionaire. Accidental death is reported worldwide.
| nom cmt = They finally found a way to ] removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+] tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD).
| sign = ] (]) 23:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Nice work. This is good to go, IMO.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 00:22, 5 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Amateur sport. We post the Super Bowl as it is the top, professional event in football for the US.], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Is it really amateur if most if not all of the payers are on sports scholarships to their respective colleges? ] (]) 03:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Well referenced. <span style="background: #0800aa; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #006eff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #00bbff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']&nbsp;'''</span> 03:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::* Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is ''not'' the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. ] (]) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good to go. ] (]) 07:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::*:We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:: {{tq|Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here.}} – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than ]. ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. ]] 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. ] (]) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If "]" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then ] is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. ]] 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support''' This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. ] (]) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. ] (]) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. ] (]) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:They make up to from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. ] (]) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Comment''' It's still January 20 in America, so this should be moved to yesterday. ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Posted) RD: Richard Swift ====
::Moved. ] (]) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::It's not UTC date? ] (]) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that.<span id="Masem:1737428570781:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? ] (]) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability, once winner determined. This is a ''massive'', ''massive'' deal in the U.S. – the '''second biggest''' sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 (""), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the ] being for college football. I previously made a of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly ''every single one'' we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the ], ] and the ], which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' The game is not over yet. ] (]) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' per Beanie. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. ''']''' - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--] (]) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting ''any'' university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only ], less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. ] ] 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are ] that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. ] (]) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] (]) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Considering that new ] deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) ] (]) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. ] (]) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. ] (]) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there ''is'' a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. ] 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Richard Swift (singer-songwriter) | article = 2025 Catatumbo attacks <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. --> | blurb = ] perpetrated by the ] in the ], Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3 = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4 = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = Coffeeandcrumbs <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| nom cmt = Article is not quite there but not too far off.
| altblurb2 = ] by the ] in the ] of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and ] ] declares ]. <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*<s>'''Oppose''' in its current state unless there are significant improvements. I have started add sources to help the nominator in the effort.</s>---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 02:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Support on notability''' as it’s a major escalation of the previously-quiet Colombian conflict. '''Oppose on quality''', however, as the article’s still quite short. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 02:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Waiting for updated news; I have difficulties editing infoboxes, could someone help me? ] (]) 03:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Support''' I believe I have fixed the sourcing. Someone uninvolved co-sign so we can post this. ---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 07:55, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*::@] Tried my best to do so. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 03:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::It took six hours of work. Not to be vain but I would appreciate the poster give me credit.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and]
*Originally opposed. Now '''support''' thanks to good work from Coffeeandcrumbs. ] (]) 03:21, 4 July 2018 (UTC) *:::Thanks! Improvements {{done}}. @]: better now? ] (]) 04:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per the ], this war has been ongoing since 1964 and there were over two thousand deaths last year. And the similar cartel/drug wars in Mexico are even worse. This incident is therefore just a drop in the ocean and not significant per ]. ]🐉(]) 15:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in good shape now thanks to Coffeeandcrumbs. ] (]) 14:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*:@] it’s been decades since any single attack in this conflict has killed anything even close to this many people. Are you genuinely serious? ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good work, Coffee. ] (]) 16:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*::The nomination is for a "series of attacks" not a single attack. The ] gets its numbers from ]. This has a . This includes a chart of "Violent events involving armed groups" for each year from 2018 to 2024 and these seem quite steady with about 2,000 killed each year. Q.E.D. ]🐉(]) 17:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' fully referenced. Great work. -] (]) 23:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this is clearly in the news per and 80 people killed is way beyond the unofficial never-to-be-mentioned "]" threshold that I would personally consider an indicator of significance. Quality looks reasonable for a short article too &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. ] <small>(])</small> 00:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Amakuru, he said it perfectly. It's in the news, an unusually high number of deaths, and the article quality is sufficient given the recent nature of the attacks (shorter is to be expected when recency is a factor). ]]] ] 20:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: please, include "results in more than a hundred deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced". It is a important part of the event. ] (]) 00:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Better: "''] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]''". ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Those are details best left to the article. ]] 02:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Not about the state of emergency declaration. ] (]) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*: {{ping|Stephen}} An ] used "A series of wildfires leave'''s'''". Is "A series of attacks leave" intentional here? ] (]) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Fixed, thanks. ]] 18:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@]: I think to add "''while ] ] declares ]''" is appropriate. ] (]) 21:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


== July 2 == ==== RD: Cecile Richards====
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====(Closed) Ongoing: Wimbledon====
{{archivetop|No consensus to post, as pointed out, the World Cup and the Olympics are the only two sport events that make it to Ongoing, due to outstanding popularity. --''']''' 10:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2018 Wimbledon Championships <!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Cecile Richards
| recent deaths = yes
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| sources =
| ongoing = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = torqueing <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| nom cmt = Just like the FIFA World Cup this is an ongoing event<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign = ] (]) 23:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' - ongoing is not intended for sporting events, or else it could conceiveably be constantly filled by them. There are but two exceptions to this rule - the Olympics and the World Cup - and these are exempted due to their sheer popularity (look at the last few versions of the ] for evidence). Wimbledon is not in the same pantheon, and as such I feel it is ill-suited to ongoing. Let us post the winner at the end (which is ITN/R). ] (]) 23:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:: is why the World Cup is listed at ongoing. ] (]) 07:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Olympics and World Cup have ongoing because of the large number of people interested in (easily in the 100s of millions if not more). Tennis doesn't have the same broad appeal, but we'll certainly post the winners of the final rounds per ITNR. --] (]) 02:29, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*Well, it's not even the (), World Cup aside. ] (]) 03:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not really "just like the FIFA World Cup". ] (]) 07:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' normal practice - posting the winners - seems appropriate. There's four tennis majors a year, whereas the Olympics and FIFA World Cup are once every four years. Additionally, the tennis majors tend to struggle to get the prose updates for the finals posting, so I'm pretty sceptical we could justify ongoing status here. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 08:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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<s>:'''Weak oppose''' 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. ] (]) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
==== (Posted) Thailand boys soccer team found alive/rescued ====
*'''Support''' Article has enough citations and length for ITNRD. The uncited awards have photo evidence in the article. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I see another citation in the article for the presidential award but nothing for the Legion of Honour. ] (]) 15:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I am only finding it on Instagram, so far. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::In that case, I'm challenging and removing the claim. Instagram isn't an RS for addding an award like this. '''Support''' on quality. ] (]) 17:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

====(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump ====
{{atop|comment = ] closing. Consensus to post will not develop. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2018 Tham Luang cave rescue <!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Second inauguration of Donald Trump <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Donald Trump official portrait.jpg
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| blurb = ] is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as ].
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Twelve members of a boys soccer team and their coach trapped for over a week in the Tham Luang Nang Non cave in Thailand are found (rescued depending on press time) alive. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb = All thirteen members of a boys Thai soccer team trapped in a flooded cave are found alive/rescued.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = Twelve boys and one man trapped in ] cave in ], ] are ''']''' after ten days missing, with rescue operations ongoing.
| altblurb3 = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb4 = <!-- A fourth alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = CoatCheck <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] and ] are inaugurated as ] and ] of the United States.
| nom cmt = Gathering coverage in international media. Hopefully a good news item we can put atop ITN.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sign = ] (]) 16:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = JohnAdams1800 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
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| nom cmt = This occurs at noon EST today.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Comment''' - I don't remember; did we post the cave story when it initially occurred?--] (]) 17:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' - A routine event that is the consequence of another event - the November election - which we already covered. ] (]) 14:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Consensus in the past has been against the posting of inaugurations. ] (]) 14:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
**No, we did not. ]<sup>] </sup> 17:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We already posted the election results and don't double up with inaugurations as well. Also, it hasn't happened yet. ] ] 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - The team has been found safe, which is great, but getting them out of the cave system is going to be a complicated process. I think it would be best to wait until the rescue operation is complete. ] (]) 17:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per ZettaComposer. Certainly newsworthy that they've been found alive, but the final outcome has yet to be determined. ]<sup>] </sup> 17:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. A lot of possibly quite complex rescue work to do yet. ] 18:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' – A no-brainer but best to wait – ''not too long!'' – 'til it looks like a sure thing. I don't think that necessarily means the rescue operation must be complete first. Developing. ] (]) 20:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' "many people are coming, we are the first". The real story will break when these kids are rescued. ] (]) 21:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Too soon right now, but once more information is available it should be posted. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 22:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*:What a curious vote. "once more information is available it should be posted"? What? They got lost, they got found. What are you looking for? ] (]) 22:52, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*::The rescue operation isn't even finished yet; if we wait, the article we'd link to on the main page would offer the readers with the information they'd be looking for. The context should have made this self-explanatory. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 23:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Weak Neutral''' leaning oppose. I'm trying to see how this is not some kind of tabloid sensationalized news story. What is the long term significance to this? Does it pass the ]? All of which said I am delighted that they have been found, just not sure that this feel good story belongs on ITN. -] (]) 23:03, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''support''' - and wait until we know a few more details. The article looks ok though.] (]) 23:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. It is a boys' team, not a boys team. ] (]) 23:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as it's not headline news in most parts of the world. Also would look bad on our part to post this instead of more worthy candidates, like the ] (a rare attack on journalists, rather than an "ordinary mass shooting"). ''']]''' 00:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' I don't think it's necessary to choose to post one without also posting the other. We can post this and the Capital Gazette shooting, but the merits of that story are to be discussed at their own discussion. The ITN page has moved slowly lately, with some stories that broke in mid-June still on the front page. This story will likely only make it to the main page when they're rescued rather than just being found, so I wouldn't worry about it drowning out devastating stories such the attack on journalists. (I say this in a broader sense regarding debates about whether or not to post shootings or other breaking news stories, acknowledging that the story you're referring to was not posted) <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 01:58, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' maybe it doesn't past the ten-year test, but we post other things that don't, e.g. people won't be talking about Neymar's record transfer once it's broken (which it almost inevitably will be). This is being covered in many venues, which suffices for me. ] (]) 01:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It has appeared in the news (BBC World News ) every day. ] (]) 03:58, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


:'''Strong oppose''' we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. ] (]) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Has been in the news regularly in New Zealand and is the main international news today. Could take four months to get them out so no point waiting. Much rarer than the above mentioned shooting and quite interesting (there is talk of training the kids how to dive to get them out). Nice to post a story with a happyish result too. ]&nbsp;] 05:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Support''' meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. ] (]) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' So, a random incident without casualties involving South-East Asia is "much rarer" than the first attack on journalists in the US since 1992? This is the best case of bias on Misplaced Pages I've seen in a while. And the irony is that just a day ago the ''In the news'' category listed the capsizing of a boat in an Indonesian lake...--] (]) 23:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. ] (]) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:::A shooting? In the USA? Is that news? What made that shooting newsworthy to me was that it followed "encouragement" to do just that by some right-wing commentators and politicians, and I actually supported its nomination for that reason. I supported this one too, because it IS in the news, all over the world. ] (]) 00:53, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' per above. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. ] (]) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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== January 19 ==
::*Complaining about the consensus on another item doesn't help to establish or disestablish consensus for posting this item. Nonetheless, ] shows that your 1992 claim is completely incorrect (] being the most recent murder of a journalist stateside), and the claim regarding regularity was not that journalists are killed in mass shootings in the US with frequency - it was that mass shootings are frequent in America (statistically correct). The only way in which you can find ] using the criteria you have laid out is if you ignore multiple incidents, be incredibly specific with a US-centric item, and grossly generalise the other item. (Indonesia was in the news, so Thailand can't be?) ] (]) 23:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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::*{{small|Oh, and there are 2.6 times as many lives at stake/in jeopardy in relation to this item, which has also attracted far more global media attention. I see no bias here, just consensus of many editors. ] (]) 23:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)}}
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*'''Support''' posting a blurb now (alt2 suggested, which contains the wikilinks). This seems to be making worldwide headlines. It sees quite possible their discovery and their rescue could be months apart. I can't see the harm in posting both these events. There's an argument for ongoing, but the period in between is likely to be quite uneventful with nothing much to update the article with. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 08:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' As it's the rainy season, they could be there for weeks yet while they are trained how to cave dive out. ] (]) 08:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' as per above. It's in the news, which if nothing else, is what this section of the main page is called. ] (]) 09:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's in the news here in Australia, the second item on the ] website, just behind a bishop who protected paedophiles. And it's an amazing, positive story, much more amazing and positive than obscene amounts of money being paid for some freakishly tall sports person. ] (]) 10:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It seems to have caught the public's attention and is all over the news. ] (]) 10:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. ] (]) 10:24, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' There's something really awkward about the phrasing of "Twelve boys and a man trapped". I think one of the other blurbs would be better. ] (]) 13:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Post-posting comment''' – After learning more about this, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the unsettled nature of the boys' situation. The scuba option looks very perilous, and delays seem likely. Perhaps this will wind up in Ongoing? At any rate, it might help readers realize the realities by inserting "submerged" after "trapped in Thailand’s." ] (]) 14:09, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Rédoine Faïd escapes ==== ==== (Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg ====
{{archive-top|Clear consensus against posting on grounds of notability - closure due to the ]. ] (]) 23:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Rédoine Faïd | article = Jeff Torborg
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources =
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| blurb = French criminal ''']''' escapes from prison
| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 01:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article is well cited and has enough length for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 01:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Kulanthai Shanmugalingam
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Abishe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Kanags, Abishe, Editrite!
| nom cmt = prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka
| sign = ] (]) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article has enough length and citations to be placed on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States ====
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| article = Restrictions on TikTok in the United States
| image = TikTok_mobile_block_message_US.png
| blurb = Social media platform ] (message pictured) ''']''' after its parent company ] fails to ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
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| altblurb = Social media ] (message pictured) is officially ''']''' following ] inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| nom cmt = I don't remember ever seeing anything similar to this posted on ITN, but nominating it anyway to see what people think.
| altblurb2 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) following ]'s inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
| sign = ] (]) 02:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| altblurb3 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) in anticipation of ].
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:'''Strong support''' lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free <s>speach</s> speech" <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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:*Two things: first off, it is ''speech'', not ''"speach"'', and secondly, how on Earth does that constructively add to the discussion on whether or not to add it to ITN? Seems merely like a way to ragebait people from the U.S... Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not significant; would be better off as a ]. <span style="background: #0800aa; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #006eff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;</span><span style="background: #00bbff; padding: 2px;">&nbsp;''']&nbsp;'''</span> 02:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:*:my bad lol, I mean it is everywhere in the news so why not support that (and it might've been a small rage bait) <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 12:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. Too run of the mill for ITN. Convicts sometimes escape from prison. Eh. -] (]) 04:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. We did post the arrest of ] in 2014, as well as his recapturing in 2016 after he escaped again. In my quick search of the archives I didn't see if we had posted his escape. ] (]) 07:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC) * '''Support''' - Major country banning a major website, unprecedented in the United States. --] (]) 04:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Thank you, @]
:It appears that we did post the escape: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2015#.5APosted.5BEl_Chapo_escapes_prison_again. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 10:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*:I think the '''Blurb''' was okay or '''Alt1''' what do you think? ] ] 04:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Guzmán (El Chapo) is internationally known; I don't think Faïd is. True, it's not every day a convict helicopters his way outta prison. But in terms of significance, no. ] (]) 13:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Sca. I don't think this particular criminal is (in)famous enough for his escape to be posted here. ] (]) 16:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *::@] or it's okay to add the image since the tiktok logo is in Public domain? What do you think. ] ] 04:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' trivia. DYK would be a good place for this kind of nonsense. ] (]) 22:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *:::@Royiswariii I added an image of their American headquarters. --] (]) 04:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Okay, thank you! ]] 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Good faith, and not an entirely unreasonable nomination; he's among the most wanted French criminals, but I don't have reason to believe he's as influential as El Chapo. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 22:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Support with modifications'''. ''Shutdown ''is a noun, so it should say "''shut down ''in the United States". ] (]) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose -''' This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. ] (]) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. ] (]) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Notable and widely covered ] (]) 04:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the original altblurb II. ''Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States'', as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. ] (]) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' first blurb. Obviously notable ] (]) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better ] (]) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt ] (]) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' Of course. ] (]) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Strong support''' ] (]) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --] (]) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
** Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --] (]) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US.<span id="Masem:1737262562902:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**:::I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. ] ] 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): {{tq|a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place}}. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been ''any'' progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
**:::Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::::Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). ] (]) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::::I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt blurb 3'''; it's worth mentioning the ]. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Should ] be used instead of the current skinny image? ]] 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. ] ] 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Changed. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support ALT3'''. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per SimpleSubCubicGraph ] (]) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. ] (]) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news '''now'''. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. ] (]) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President ], then, just nominate it. ] ] 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days.<span id="Masem:1737290304296:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. ]🐉(]) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on '''U.S.'''. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ], then we can nominate a another separate news on this. ] ] 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:: It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See ]🐉(]) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Have you been on social media recently? ] (]) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::the article Kevin Roose of ] is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. ] ] 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. ]🐉(]) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. ] (]) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even ] for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. ] (]) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. ] (]) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:*'''Oppose''' Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
*:], ]<sup>]</sup> 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? ] (]) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If ] has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. ] (]) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like ]). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] ] and ] are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. ]] 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "]", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. ] (]) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' as per above ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' or '''Strong oppose''' As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users,<ref>{{cite web |title=Why did India ban Tiktok? |url=https://productmonk.io/p/tiktok-india |website=Product Monk |access-date=19 January 2025}}</ref> which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st ''']''' (]) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem ] (]) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Support</s>''' The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". ] (]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Changing my vote to '''Oppose''' given the latest developments. ] (]) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* As another reason to wait, Trump has now confirmed that he will EO the 90-day extension on Monday or Tuesday to allow TikTok to find a buyer , so this is going to be a temporary outage. ] (]) 16:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support'''. Millions of users will be lost and will potentionally migrate to other platforms such as Red Note and YouTube Shorts. ]] 16:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I '''agree''' with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. ] (]) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see if Trump follows through with an extension or not. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* And now TikTok is in the process of restoring service in the US, making this ITN useless. . --] (]) 17:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. ] (]) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Closed) LeBron James ====
*'''Suggest snow close''' Ban lifted. ] (]) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' events have now overtaken this. Support close. ] (]) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. ] (]) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Wait''' TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. <em><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></em> 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support ALT3'''. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--] 🍄‍🟫—] 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... ]<sup>]</sup> 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Suggest snow close''' By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --] (]) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== Storming of South Korean court ====
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| article = LeBron James<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = Los Angeles Lakers<!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article --> | image = Seoul Seobu Local Court.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Supporters of ] ] ''']''' the {{Ill|Seoul Western District Court|ko|서울서부지방법원}} (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
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| blurb = ''']''' signs for the ''']''' on a 4 year, $154 million contract. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| altblurb = ] star ] agrees to a $154 million ] contract with the ], leaving his hometown ] for the second time in seven years.
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:Apart from the ] violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' - While I'd be happy with posting another ''major'' development in this story, this isn't it. This is a footnote in the developing story. ] (]) 09:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


== January 18 ==
* '''Oppose''' Sports trades or the like are not really appropriate for ITN. --] (]) 01:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose''' Yawn. Seriously. What is significant about this? ] (]) 01:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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::It's a bit like 33 year old Maradona changing clubs but not quite as important cause the sport is basketball. ] (]) 01:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' --] (]) 01:52, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
** If this trade did exceed the 222 M Euros of that one, that might be something. It didn't. --] (]) 02:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*** It's not actually a trade. LeBron was a free agent that left for without nothing in return. I don't think soccer's system of selling players for money is comparable to the basketball's free agency system. ] (]) 02:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
**** It's a player moving from one team to another with some money involved. Whether its from team owners to owners, or owners to players, its the monetary figure that indicates the importance that I would use to judge ITN appropriateness. (And as i understand it, James here broke contract with Cleveland, meaning he's allow forfeit some money owed by Cleveland, weaking the value of this). --] (]) 03:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''].''' Wait till he actually wins other than ]. ] (]) 02:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' High profile athlete signs contract for lots of money. In other news the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow morning. -] (]) 04:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' - Full disclosure, I'm a Lakers fan, but come on this is not WP:ITN worthy at all. This deal is no Neymar. ] <sup>]]]]</sup> 04:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Narutolovehinata5}} Why is this deal no Neymar? ] (]) 04:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::What I mean to say was, as internation of a star as LeBron is, his deal is not even near Neymar's deal with PSG or any of a number of other association football deals. That and generally we don't post player transfers on ITN in the first place. ] <sup>]]]]</sup> 04:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::{{reply to|Narutolovehinata5}} yes but why is this deal "not even near Neymar's deal"? It's clearly not because of size since USD154 million is pretty close to EUR222 million (more than 50%). Are you saying that basketball is less significant than association football? If so, why is it less significant? ] (]) 05:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. As a basketball fan myself, its worldwide popularity is still nowhere near football's. And even if it was, this kind of news is not WP:ITN worthy anyway. ] <sup>]]]]</sup> 08:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
: Have any athletes been known to make this much a year? (whether inflation-adjusted or not). Premier League/La Liga/Bundsliga/Serie A/Ligue 1 salaries aren't public knowledge right? ] (]) 06:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, salaries in foreign leagues are also foreign knowledge, if those "top-payed athletes in the world" lists are anything to go by. ] <sup>]]]]</sup> 08:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Neymar's wages are reportedly about EUR37m, or $43m pa. ] 09:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. He had been suggesting he was going to leave especially if Cleveland did not win the NBA Finals. This isn't that shocking. ] (]) 07:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' - James is one of the most significant players of his generation, and his move is big news. On these grounds, I could maybe see it being posted - if Messi left Barca on a ], I would support posting. However, using financial metrics, and the relative popularity of basketball, diminishes this greatly. Basketball is not as significant to our readers as football, and football has bigger deals. If we post on financial grounds, bear in mind that the precedent set would open the door not only for Neymar, but for ] and ] too. When it comes to wages, ] is apparently on more, along with many football players. However, on sporting significance alone, weak support. ] (]) 08:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' would be a great DYK, but certainly of no long-standing encyclopedic value at all, a record which is bound to be beaten in the short term, and posting this just gives a free pass to the next time there's an incremental increase. ] (]) 08:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per LaserLegs. We posted Neymar, so to be consistent we should post this. One possible counter-argument I can see would be that basketball is not comparable to soccer, but I don't see that holding water. From , basketball is the world's second most popular sport, as well as the fastest-growing. The contract is also worth more than 50% of Neymar's. Another possible counter-argument is that while Neymar's was a record, there's no indication that this is one. However $154 million over four years is $38.5 million a year, which is comfortably ahead of , so even if it's not reported as a record I see no reason it is not a record either. Make no mistake, I don't think Neymar should have been posted, but since we posted that we should post this too to be consistent. ] (]) 09:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::That totalsportek.com article is rubbish. It says cricket has the second highest number of fans, but declares Basketball, with fewer fans, to be more popular. That's real ] use of language. ] (]) 09:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

::. ] (]) 09:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Bear in mind that EUR222m was only the transfer fee for Neymar. The total deal with wages is worth around EUR450m, so this contract is around 1/3 of that. ] 09:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - We shouldn't be posting about trades within national sports. ] (]) 09:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::If NBA is a non-international league then so is Neymar's league. ] (]) 14:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Are you serious? You can't be serious.--] (]) 14:22, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::]. NBA has had stars who immigrated from countries like Nigeria (]), China (Yao), Argentina, Germany, Spain and others I can't think of cause I don't follow basketball. Ligue 1 has players from different countries too. The French league has teams from France and I think 1 from Monaco, NBA has teams from USA and 1 (used to be 2) from Canada. ] (]) 15:35, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' if you want to affirm this is a "Global Encyclopedia" then fine, if you wan't to stamp your fists insist we're not "USAPEDIA" then whatever, but if you're going to pretend to care about what our actual readers care about, you're going to have to open your eyes. and if there is one thing I'm certain few people in America care about it's Neymar getting paid millions to fake injuries for corrupt refs, or four blokes being banned from cricket for some reason or other. If this is a "Global Encyclopedia", that globe INCLUDES the United States. Deal with it. --] (]) 10:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:: That 40% of our readers are from the USA does not mean we get to post trivial stories that the remaining 60% find to be utterly meaningless.--] (]) 10:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::: But we ''do post'' trivial stories that the 40% find to be utterly meaningless? Come on Walt, your "America sucks" is showing. --] (]) 12:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Not sure where you got that idea from.--] (]) 12:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: Neither of the examples you quote (Neymar and the cricket cheating scandal) were trivial, because they were in the news - and by that I mean the news pages, not just the sports pages - all over the world. ] 12:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::: Messis goal record? Ferguson retiring? Honestly, most of the sports records we post (Neymar excepted) NEVER leave the sports pages. --] (]) 12:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::: I doubt if I'd vote to post those that didn't (unless ITN/R of course), unless they were especially notable. ] 12:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Although I am a big NBA fan myself, basketball-related ITN items should be limited to championships of leagues listed on ITN/R. While free agent changes have large interest and can lead to long-term change within a league itself, unless the process itself leads to a new article, it fails to meet the notability bar. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 10:38, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Neymar was a serious one-off, IMO. Quite apart from the fact that the deal ended up around $450m including wages and add-ons, the reason it was posted is that not only was it a record, but it was such a ludicrous destruction of the previous record (and, including the fee, the biggest sporting contract ''ever'') that it ended up being reported in non-sports sources all over the world. Hence, ''in the news''. Meanwhile, apart from the lower value, this doesn't even appear to be a record. says that two players called Harden and Curry have previously been awarded bigger contracts (though, of course, I'm no expert here). ] 10:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Snow oppose''' Agree completely that Neymar was about scale and we should not use that as precedent to post more transfers, which are only going to get larger. Separately, let's just acknowledge here that editors at ITNC lean more international than our population at large. Along with producing a global product, part of the mission is to provide what the readers want. If our readers are overwhelmingly American, there should be some deference to the subjects that interest them. If, hypothetically, Cricket had interest from 50% of persons global and 15% of our readers, while gridiron has interest from 10% of persons globally but 30% of our readers, the right thing to do is post both. <small>]</small> 11:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not nearly significant enough for ITN. ] (]) 12:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' One thing I don't see mentioned: he can't formally sign with the Lakers until July 6, which is why the article hasn't even been updated yet. ]''']''' 12:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Pro $port$ factoid. ] (]) 13:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' The blurb provides little context about what this story is about. Who is "LeBron James"? What is the "Los Angeles Lakers" ? ] (]) 13:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>''Factoid:'' The Lakers started out in ], "City of '''Lakes'''" – in the days when professional bkb players were paid quite modest salaries. – ] (]) 15:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::<small>'''Chris''': FYI, Minneapolis is in Minnesota. Minnesota is the the United States. The U.S. is in North America, which is in the Western Hemisphere of Planet Earth. ] (]) 15:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::'''{{replyto|Sca}}''' I'll ignore the facetious parts of your comments, and instead point out that despite providing that geographic information, you still did not address my two simple questions about "LeBron James" and the "Los Angeles Lakers". Readers of ITN shouldn't have to click on article links to find out who this person is what the "Los Angeles Lakers" is. ] (]) 00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Chrisclear}} - blurbs require brevity. The majority of people who read this blurb would be easily able to discern what it is about, and the rest could utilise the links provided to find out, within a matter of seconds, if they wished. The main page is not in a vacuum, so there is no need for meticulous explanation, particularly in relation to globally famous individuals. ] (]) 13:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::: I don't believe it's so certain that "majority of people who read this blurb would be easily able to discern what it is about". While I agree that blurbs require brevity, but it shouldn't be too much trouble to add "In {name of sport for which 'LeBron james' is famous)" to the blurb to provide context to all readers. "Lebron James" might be a famous individual to people who follow his particular sport, or are from the USA (I assume that's the country in which Los Angeles is located?), but to everyone else he is a nobody. ] (]) 14:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' for those complaining about the dollar amount vs Neymar, there are ]s, something the corrupt FIFA has yet to implement. --] (]) 14:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I don't buy into the argument stated above that "60% of our readers find this utterly useless". Basketball is a global game, particularly since the NBA's roster of foreign-born players has significantly expanded over the last decade or so. Lebron James is one, if not the, biggest star in the NBA right now. For the second time in his career, he has made a decision to leave his hometown team (grew up in Akron, remember, just outside of Cleveland) in free agency. While it's not ''The Decision'' of 2011, this is very much a newsworthy story. '''IF''' we are going to list the winner of golf's U.S. Open on the Main Page (which, by the way, we are now '''two weeks''' beyond the end of that tournament and we '''still''' have it listed... very much makes us look silly, IMO), we should not ignore a story such as this from the NBA. If you'd like to make the argument that the NBA is only of U.S. interest, as a U.S. league, could you not make the same argument for the PGA Tour? After all, professional golf also has the European Tour and, if I recall, an Asian Tour - for neither of which, by the way, have I ever seen an ITN displayed. (''Side note worth considering'' - As {{ping|Zagalejo}} points out above, the contract can not be signed, officially, for four days. It's not inconceivable that James could change his mind and NOT leave Cleveland... unlikely, yes, but not impossible.) ]<sup>] </sup> 14:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
** The comparable fact to the winner of the PGA Tour is who won the NBA Finals, which was posted. In team sports, things like trades and the like are not significant ITN because they happen all the time. --] (]) 14:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
***Oh, I would respectfully disagree with that. While one of the four "major" tournaments per year on the PGA Tour schedule, I wouldn't equate the winner of the U.S. Open with the NBA Finals. Not even close. (edit) As to the latter part of your statement, it's not very often that a player of this caliber makes such a move. James is a bonafide superstar, one of the best players on the planet right now. If this were, say, {{ping|Masem}} signing with the ], okay, I'd agree with your "this happens all the time" contention. The subject being who he is makes this newsworthy. ]<sup>] </sup> 15:03, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - we aren't going to ITN each NBA player trade. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;•&nbsp;])</span> 15:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Absolutely no way we should be posting a basketball transfer that isn’t even a record. ] (]) 15:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</div class>

== July 1 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Shirley Huffman==== ==== (Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen ====
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| nom cmt = Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the ], who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time.
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*<s>'''Oppose''' Theatre section is entirely unsourced. Please add references.</s> '''Support''' Article now has enough citations and quality to be on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 16:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Please check, ]
*'''Support''' Theatre section is sourced now. Its a C class article with no problems. ] (]) 15:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran ====
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*'''Support''' the usual good standard from this nominator. Thanks {{U|TDKR Chicago 101}}. ] (]) 22:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Support'''. Two judges known for being linked to a mass execution assassinated in a rare attack at a Supreme Court.] (] • ]) </small>
*'''Support''' ready for posting.] (]) 23:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Oppose on Quality'''. Article is exceptionally thin, and most of the body is not directly about the shooting. ] (]) 02:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:18, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *:Agreed. It's notable but needs more information. ] (]) 02:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I just did a improvement. ] (]) 03:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Looking better, thanks. ] (]) 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@]: quality is decent now. ] (]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. ] (]) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
====(Posted) RD: Peter Firmin====
::]. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. If some meat can be added, I would support.</s> The assassination of two supreme court judges almost anywhere is going to merit a blurb here. -] (]) 05:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: {{done}}. ] (]) 06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::'''Support''' Article is now adequate for posting. -] (]) 16:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is important in the context of all what is happening in the middle east, including the Iran-Israel proxy war. Also, the quality/size of the article seems ok now. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We did a good work in the article. ] (]) 14:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Ad Orientem. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support notability''' but '''oppose on quality'''. Firstly the background section is orange-tagged so unmarking as ready. The article is very short and lacking a lot of background detail that would inform the reader of the basic facts. Also the fatalities section is unusual; surely the two judges warrant articles of their own given their position? ] (]) 16:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I can help improve it. ] (]) 00:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – if something like that happened in the US, it would be added in a heartbeat. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">]</sup>'' 20:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability per Bloxzge 025 and Tradedia. As for article quality, I still support - aside from the background section, I think the article is short but sufficient. With this being said, the currently background section should probably just be removed altogether until it is more complete/adequate. I do not think a background section is strictly necessary to meet the bare bones minimum necessary for the article, though. ]]] ] 20:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 01:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: Why not the full proposed blurb? ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], the cited article doesn't mention "Sharia" anywhere, let alone "Sharia judges". I can't find anything on google for a single source that calls them "sharia judges". This looks like a ] violation.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The article title on this event also uses this term ], so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. ] (]) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Done (both) by {{noping|Amakuru}} 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). ] (]) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion ====
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* '''Support''' on notability, '''oppose''' on quality. A large fuel tanker explosion with a big death toll, but the article needs improvement. ] (]) 20:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Support'''. Let's not forget '']''. Not sure if all the publications need separate refs (or even one). ] (]) 20:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC) :'''Support -''' 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. ] (]) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. We need a bit more meat on this article before it can be posted. -] (]) 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' <s>75%</s>Most of the page is not sourced.</s> ---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 21:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not every disaster is going to have sufficient coverage to make for a quality article for ITN, and generally a recognizition that WP is not a newspaper, we should not be rushing to create event articles after any type of disaster until there's some certainty that it will have the longevity for notability .--] (]) 14:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:*<small>Is that by words, sentences or claims? ] (]) 22:48, 1 July 2018 (UTC) </small>
::'''Support''' Just for the record, I now support posting. Even if already posted, I think that is important to note.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 22:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Reluctant oppose''' article is too short and there's not much indication of wider notability beyond the sheer number of deaths. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. In addition to the referencing problems, there is very little about his best-known work with Postgate. ] <small>(])</small> 02:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Falls short in terms of quality and encyclopedic value. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Almost 100 deaths… ] (]) 22:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per Coffeeandcrumbs - too much unreferenced text. ''']''' 06:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC) Now '''support''' per TRM’s improvements. ''']''' 18:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' there you go. {{U|Coffeeandcrumbs}}, {{U|Aiken drum}}. ] (]) 09:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *::@{{u|Bloxzge 025}}, ], @], @]: look at this now! ] (]) 00:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It was in pretty shoddy shape before, but TRM has brought it up to par. Nice work.--] (]) 14:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *:::We are getting close. One cn tag. -] (]) 00:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good to go. ] (]) 15:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *::::A tank truck destroyed 20 shops? No way! ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::: ] (]) 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' G2G. Very good work improving the article. --] (]) 18:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Nice work on the referencing, but my above comment on the content still holds. ] <small>(])</small> 21:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Info''' The article is in good shape now. ] (]) 02:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*The lead contains a lot of information that is missing from the body. Not ready. ''']]''' 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{U|Espresso Addict}} Feel free to improve the areas you feel are deficient. It's not a stub, or even a start class article. What, exactly, is missing? ] (]) 21:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*:I disagree; see Explosion and Victims section. ] (]) 17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I might be missing something but there seems to be no discussion in the body of the (unreferenced) statement in the lead that "Between them they created a number of popular children's TV programmes, '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'' and '']''." The ] article has much more detail that could be used but is generally poorly sourced. In just one example, the 2014 revival of the ''Clangers'' with Firmin & Postgate's son. ] <small>(])</small> 22:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Okay, you answered your own question. There's other detail that ''could'' be added, and indeed, some of it exists a mere article away, that could be copied over with suitable attribution (be my guest). But it's late, I'm done, and if no-one else can be bothered, that's life. Note, this is still '''good to go'''. ] (]) 22:24, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:15, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


==== (Posted) Mexican general election, 2018 ==== ==== RD: Russell Marshall ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Mexican general election, 2018 <!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Russell Marshall
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = Andrés Manuel López Obrador <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources = ,
| image = File:Lenín_Moreno_con_el_líder_mexicano_López_Obrador_(Recortado).png <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| updated = Yes
| blurb = ''']''' is ''']''' as ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| nominator = Kiwichris <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced.
| sign = ] (]) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Article has enough sourcing and length to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 17 ==
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==== Didier Guillaume ====
{{ITN candidate
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| blurb = ''']''', the ], dies, and ] is appointed as the acting Minister of State<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nominator = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this --> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = Borgenland, GoodDay, Fakescientist8000<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
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| nom cmt = Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| updater2 = TexasMan34 <!-- if more than one updater -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* Is this ITNR? The Prince of Monoco is the one listed at ] that administerss the gov't, not the minister. --] (]) 17:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until a) official, b) there is a blurb, c) tags are resolved. ] ]<sup>]</sup> (]). 03:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Masem}} It is not, and I’ve removed the ITNR tag. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I added a blurb. The main article has an orange tag, and the votes are still being counted as of this writing (though media outlets have called for AMLO already based on exit polls). ] (]) 03:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::Per ], {{tq|The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco}} and {{tq|the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military.}} They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: {{tq|Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of '''the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government''', in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.}}
*'''Comment''' - Tags have been removed. ] (]) 10:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough ''on their own'' to post on ITN with a blurb. According to ], only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that ''head of government'' is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
*<s>'''Wait'''</s> '''Support'''. I have counted two elections nominated for ITN that were not posted for being nominated too early or with tags. --] (]) 16:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::And ultimately, the results of general elections are ''already'' able to be posted, so the only thing that saying {{tq|Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page ]}}. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: ], and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Tags are removed and the election was called, with 75%+ reporting. This was the largest and most violent general election in Mexican history. Undoubtedly notable. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 23:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Still an orange tag under results. We also usually require at least a couple of referenced paragraphs of reactions to the result. ] <small>(])</small> 00:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC) ::'''Support -''' Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. ] (]) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The head of state of Monaco is the prince. ] (]) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:* The only orange tags are requests for updated vote counts as more votes are counted which should not be a problem soon, but I do agree that an international reactions section would be very helpful. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 00:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Somewhat medium support'''. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which '''administers''' the executive", per ]. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, ] states {{tq|Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality}} (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Highly-notable election in a major country with an anti-establishment type candidate from a non-PRI non-PAN party elected president. If any issues in relevant articles can be addressed with haste, all the better. ]&nbsp;] 01:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. {{small|Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke>}} -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''', per above. Very notable election, and the articles are in good shape. ] (]) 02:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' dies > passes away. ] (]) 18:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''': 92.5% of the votes have been counted, everyone else has conceded, and the lead is 30%. Election article is OK, but the AMLO article might still benefit from a careful style edit. (Not sure about the need for a "reactions" section, though -- an NPOV selection of "phoned & congratulated", "tweeted his/her wishes for every success", etc. There haven't been (m)any negative reactions.) ] (]) 03:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' looks ready to me. ] (], ]) 04:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ready for posting. -] (]) 04:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 04:56, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


:'''Support blurb''' despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. ]] 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
== June 30 ==
:'''RD Only''' - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. ] (]) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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::What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. ]]<sup>]]</sup> 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''RD only''' Monaco has a special status, but on the ground, it is just like any other French city. So Didier Guillaume is more like a random mayor. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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*:Monaco is a sovereign state, not a French city. ] (]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' death of head of government should be the only acceptable RD blurbs IMO ] (]) 02:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Posted) RD: Arvid Carlsson ====
*Whatever happens, the blurb needs to be updated to be "dies" instead of "passes away". ]. ] (]) 03:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} ''']''' (]) 04:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Not Ready''' for the ].</s> Support blurb in principle, but article quality for a head of government does not wow me. -] (]) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Support blurb''' Article appears quality now to be adequate for posting. -] (]) 15:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' given the arguments of some above, though it still seems the MoS is mostly at the mercy of the Prince rather than a fully autonomous actor. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Four cn tags. Once fixed, a change in leadership along with the death of an incumbent head of state is blurb worthy, although per The Kip in terms of MoS being an actual head of state. --] (]) 20:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] and @], please double check the quality of the article. I have given previously uncited statements sourcing, and this article should be good to go now. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==== Blurb/RD: Denis Law ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Arvid Carlsson | article = Denis Law
| recent deaths = yes
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| sources = ,
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jmorrison230582 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator = Zanhe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = Record goalscorer for ] and the ] national team, ] winner (1964).
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Support blurb''', the only Scottish football player to win Ballon D'Or, the last surviving member of Manchester United European Cup winning team. ] (]) 22:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
::Law wasn't in the United team for the ], because he was injured. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Nobel Prize winner. Death announced on June 30.

| sign = ] (]) 01:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*'''Oppose blurb''' Let’s be honest, if Bobby Charlton wasn’t notable enough for a blurb, Denis Law is certainly not. He’s trailing Charlton in virtually every category. Also, as far as I know, Wayne Rooney is Manchester United’s record goalscorer.--] (]) 23:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*: Correct, Law is Manchester United's 3rd highest goalscorer (Charlton is 2nd). ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' No indication of being a great figure. Winning the Ballon D'Or may lead to that but there's nothing to discuss legacy or impact on the game, and a sport's MPV award for a year is not sufficient for this. '''Support RD''', I think there's one loose CN on the awards but nothing else stands out being a problem. --] (]) 23:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Bobby Charlton probably should have been blurbed, but I don't believe Law rises to his level, so on that basis I will have to oppose. ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' per ] ] (]) 23:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb, <s>oppose</s> support RD''' We ]. Also, in terms of quality, <s>there is a message error at the end of the page: "Cite error: There are ref group=note tags on this page, but the references will not show without a template (see the help page)."</s> it is ok. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:That was broken by this . I've fixed it. ]🐉(]) 09:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Elderly person dying after a long disease, over 50 years since they were an active footballer. Article is in fine-enough shape for an RD. ] 08:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There were 215,000 views on the news which seems typical of someone who was a household name in the UK but unknown in the US. The high readership shows that readers are not finding it difficult to find the article. Running this in the RD ticker will make little difference. ]🐉(]) 09:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*I nominated this for RD. I'm not sure why somebody added blurb to the nomination. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joan Plowright ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Joan Plowright
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Wizzito <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] &#124; ] 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Comment'''. Referencing needs attention. There's also big holes in the biography, eg how did he go from University of Gothenburg (1959) to Astra AB (date not specified)? Are any personal details available apart from his having a daughter? ] <small>(])</small> 01:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Not ready'''. It'd be nice to see her there, but a slew of her acting credits aren't referenced. ] (]) 19:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Like Denis Law, she was another famous name in her day and so there were 283,000 views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Espresso Addict}} I've added more sources and some background about his work at Astra (he was always at Gothenburg after 1959, but collaborated with Astra in the 70s and 80s while working for the university). Also added info about family and awards. -] (]) 04:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Far too many CN tags to be considered eligible quality for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 05:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' CNs down to four: TV shows from the 50s and 70s (for which there are sources, but not WP:RS). ] (]) 01:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There are only a handful of CN Tags left within her acting credits. If they are not resolved and the passing admin reviewing this deems them unacceptable, it would be better to remove those entries from her filmography list (I could not find cites for them) and then post to RD. It is an otherwise quality article on a very noteworthy person. ]]] ] 01:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 02:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


== June 29 == == January 16 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Matt Cappotelli ==== ==== (Review needed) RD: Hans Dobida ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Matt Cappotelli | article = Hans Dobida
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Flibirigit
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| updaters = Flibirigit, Jkaharper
| nominator = Nikki311 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. --> | nom cmt = Copyedit and updates complete. I feel it is ready for the main page.
| sign = ] (]) 15:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt = Former wrestler for ].
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*'''Support''' Referenced, adequate depth of coverage. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 06:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' brief but okay. ] (]) 08:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD Gudrun Burwitz ==== ====(Removed) California fires to ongoing====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
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| nom cmt = I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ]] 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Return, pull Chad''' - Fires still ongoing(not fully contained). Chad attack seems to have gotten one burst of coverage a week ago and barely any after that. ] (]) 23:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Do you understand that the fires have been moved to the ongoing section? ]] 23:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support/concur''' appropriate addition. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --] (]) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] they already have. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. ] (]) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Pull from ongoing''' No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. ] (]) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] (]) 01:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Pull/Support'''. I'm favorable to the fires still being in Ongoing, but, there is nowhere near a consensus for such placement as of right now. ] (]) 02:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. This item pales in comparaison with the other Ongoing items in terms of duration and magnitude of death toll. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' If you didn't like the fire pushed off by David Lynch, then you should have added South Korean Crisis to ongoing, pull Yoon's arrest and add the fire back. The fire is not significant enough to be ongoing. ] (]) 04:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike anything. If I added anything to ongoing I'd still have the courtesy of asking here. You need to learn a little more about how ITN works. ]] 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::ITN or not, the ] they suggested wouldn't fly very well. —] (]) 05:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' ]] 04:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Connection''' Lynch died from breathing difficulty after being evacuated from his home on ]. So, the fire might be mentioned in his blurb. ]🐉(]) 09:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I think his importance/great figure-ness aspect, and that he was already of old age, far outweighs the means of his death, and that detail would hurt the concisness of the blurb. (Whereas, to use the case of Kobe Bryant's death in the helicopter crash, that death was completely unexpected and so both aspects (the crash and his status as an NBA player) likely weighed equally. ] (]) 14:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The fires are still generating significant traffic but the title of the article is not obvious and there's a ] to change it again. So, ITN should help navigation per its ]. ]🐉(]) 09:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

====New Glenn launch====
{{ITN candidate
| article = New Glenn
| blurb = ]'s ''']''' rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = 109.166.233.124
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| nom cmt = Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few ]s.
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| sign = ] (]) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt = Only daughter of Reichsführer ]. She remained loyal to his memory and largely denied Nazi war crimes and genocide throughout her life. Article is short but not in bad shape and adequately referenced. She died in May but the news was only just announced.
| sign = ] (]) 17:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
:@] Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. ]] 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:<s>'''Oppose as stale''' Not a recent death. No need to go out of way to post this death which occured a over a month ago.</s>---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 22:02, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|SpectralIon}} I took care of fixing the nom. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the German newspaper Bild only reported the death on June 29th, the first report of her death. That does not make it stale for us if the death is only first covered some time after it happens. --] (]) 22:59, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::@] Alright, then I would say '''Support on Notability''' since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --]] 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' reconsidered after reading ]. The article is well-sourced.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 23:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle, weak support on quality'''. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. ] ] 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Short but sourced well. --] (]) 23:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - good to go. ] (]) 23:40, 1 July 2018 (UTC) *:Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. ] (]) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Exactly as planned. ] ] 14:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*Two more references needed, including a claim about religion. ]] 01:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' and '''support on notability.''' There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --] <small>(])</small> 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::Two refs added and I removed the claim about being baptized Protestant though I am not sure that should hold up posting. -] (]) 04:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. Quality is adequate ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 04:14, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


:'''Comment''' should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that '''soft support''' as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. ]] 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Closed) RD: Kwesi Amissah-Arthur ====
*'''Support''' - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. ] (]) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
{{atop|Stale. ]] 11:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)}}

*'''Support''' - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. ] (]) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
::It's a huge development, ]. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. ] (]) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::None of those Starship ITN requests have been actually posted because of people lacking technical understanding of the subject. First of all Starship hasn't been trying to achieve orbit in any of those tests yet. They've been trying to achieve both stage reusability. It's also the largest rocket in history, by a large margin.
::Perhaps I'm overreaching with claiming its not a competitor to SLS, but its clear its not in the same rocket class as SLS and definitely not a competitor to Starship which is in a much higher class of vehicle and also aiming for full reusability. New Glenn's turnaround time is not measured in weeks, not yet. I'm not sure how it is "ahead" of Starship when it's not even aiming for the same capability. It's purpose is different. ] (]) 09:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. ] (]) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability'''. We posted milestones for both ] and ], and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. ] (]) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There seems to have been a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. ]🐉(]) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' on notability, not apparent that this is a major development of general interest ] (]) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on notability per DarkSide830, and only a single prose update. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 15:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Well I guess on this apparent precedent, that we won't be blurbing Starship if it ever makes orbit, or lands something on the moon. (though it seems to be getting more media coverage for it's Caribbean fireworks display! ] (]) 17:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. ] (]) 12:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Kwesi Amissah-Arthur<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = David Lynch
| image = File:David Lynch at the 1990 Emmy Awards.jpg
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| recent deaths = yes
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
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| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| blurb = American filmmaker ] dies at the age of 78.
| nominator = GreatCaesarsGhost <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Thriley
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*'''Comment''' Lynch is the type of person that comes to mind a likely to have a blurb as a major figure in filmmaking, but the doesn't not have legacy section or equivalent, yet, to support this. If that was added I'd support a urb on all other quality aspects (which appear close) ] (]) 18:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Temporarily oppose''' Many of the references fail on closer inspection. I tried fix some but I ran into a lot of backward copy right violations in Ghanaian media sources about his death which copy chunks of text from Misplaced Pages making hard to add new sources.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 04:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' The death of a film-maker with "the most important film-maker of the current era" in his lede deserves a blurb on the main page. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. There's precisely nothing about what he did during his term as Vice-President. Additionally, could someone knowledgeable in this area confirm that the MyJoyOnline & GhanaWeb websites, which support nearly all the text, are reliable? ] <small>(])</small> 05:09, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*: I added a blurb. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 19:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::Neither website is reliable. Both sites copied from Misplaced Pages for their obits: . I checked some of their past reporting on this person and found similar reverse plagiarism from Misplaced Pages to their articles.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 05:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in excellent shape ] (]) 18:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' No notable CN tags or uncited statements, and the article is of excellent quality. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I just created ]. His influence is so massive that an article on his impact is definitely necessary. ] (]) 19:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**For timing of posting here, I'd recommend building out two or three good paragraphs on the bio article and worry about expanding later.<span id="Masem:1737055002605:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support RD'''. Article is in great shape. Sooner posted the better. ] (]) 19:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Even for the more conservative death-as-blurb people, the standard is typically held as being "top of their field" - in 2007, ''The Guardian'' literally declared him "the most important filmmaker of the current era." Monumental impact on the world of film and more than deserving of a blurb. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Blurb''' Article is in good shape, and Lynch is a world wide household name among anyone with more than a passing interest in cinema. ] (]) 19:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' and oppose blurb - dont see the breadth and depth of coverage as meriting a blurb. ''']''' - 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Extremely influential filmmaker who deserves a blurb, although a section explaining his impact would help. Found it interesting that ] by the ] - as far as I know, only a few filmmakers have such influence that their names become adjectives in the English language, including , , , and . ] (]) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' was one of the more famous filmmakers of the modern era. ]] 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Top of the field. One criterion for blurb is the existence of works about person. There is film ]. Has Academy Award, won at Cannes. ] (]) 20:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If posted as a blurb and using the current picture, please make sure it is captioned as in 1990. ] (]) 20:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' manner and direct impact of death not notable ] (]) 20:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:See Major figures in Blurbs for recendt deaths section. Manner of death is for another type of blurb. ] (]) 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Influential and acclaimed filmmaker, clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. --] (]) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support blurb''' I guess the triage would read something like: Would we blurb if this were Spielberg? Yes. Would we blurb if this were Lucas? Probably. Would we blurb if this is Lynch? Depends how many art housey adjudicators there are on Misplaced Pages that day. ] (]) 20:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - large impact on filmmaking. ] (]) 20:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Twin Peaks alone had a ], and combined with everything else? He's definitely important enough. ] (]) 21:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' Top of his field and article in good shape. Definitely influential filmmaker. ] (]) 21:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can we somehow put featured list of his Awards in the blurb? Saying that he received honorary Oscar, for instance. ] (]) 21:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**That gets into a bit too much editorializing, as as well as simply having numerous awards is not a reason to post (compare with Jimmy Carter and the frequent mentions of his Nobel peace prize in the news headlines as a case where that is more appropriate)<span id="Masem:1737069615995:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 23:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted''', consensus is for a blurb. ]] 22:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*I know I'm late, but just to add on to everybody, '''support blurb'''. I promise that this support has nothing to do with the fact that ] ranks among my top 10 favorite movies of all time (though it doesn't hurt, either). ] ] 07:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' Top of his field - there are <5 other directors that we would probably blurb (Spielberg, Scorcese, Coppola and Herzog?). ] 08:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Black Kite}} James Cameron. We might also blurb Oliver Stone, Christopher Nolan, Tim Burton, George Lucas, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head. ] ] 11:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Black Kite|Kurtis}} Michael Haneke, Pedro Almodóvar and Asghar Farhadi should be clear-cut cases for a blurb one day. I personally think that Béla Tarr should get one as well because of his depth.--] (]) 23:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article got over a million views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as he was truly a great and influential director.--] (]) 09:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' I know I'm just preaching to the choir at this point as there's overwhelming support (as there should be), but I felt compelled to pile on. Few artists will ever have the high honor of having their own name be synonymous with a unique style. The influence his works had on film (and television in the case of Twin Peaks) cannot be overstated. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 11:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Retroactive oppose''' An elderly person who is no longer working in their field dying of a disease they were known to have is not worthy of a blurb. ] 08:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:<small>Just wanted to correct {{tq|"who is no longer working in their field"}} – he . <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 19:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</small>


:'''Post-posting strong oppose''' Per DMartin. Also I'd bet a very strong majority people on Misplaced Pages never even heard this man's name and even more don't know who he is. Keep this to the recent deaths section. ] (]) 02:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
== June 28 ==

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==== (Posted) RD: Bob Uecker ====
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| article = Bob Uecker
| recent deaths = yes
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| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Weak support''': Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. ''']<sub>]</sub>''' 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Still working to expand and source between meetings today. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field.<span id="Masem:1737074273965:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 15 ==
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==== (Closed) Capital Gazette shooting ==== ==== (Posted) RD: Tommy Brown (baseball) ====
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Capital Gazette shooting. 5 dead, dozens injured. Appears to be a mass shooting event.


*'''Oppose on quality''' - several CNs. ] (]) 22:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*Added an alt blurb, as the newspaper situation is a bit complicated to explain in the short blurb. ''']]''' 21:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unremarkable event with no long-standing impact at all. Probably needs to be covered by a single sentence in a list somewhere, nothing more. ] (]) 21:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC) *'''Comment''' "Ball player" is very much a US-centric label. I'm a non-American who played and sill loves baseball, but I would never call anyone a ball player. ] (]) 22:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:In addition, it could easily be confused with "baller" which is an american-centric term for "basketball player". Not to mention it says "ball payer" right now in the ITNC. ] (]) 22:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''', article looks to be in good shape, well-referenced with no glaring errors. --] <sup>(])</sup> 21:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Tavix. Mass shooting, article is ready. ] (]) 21:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC) ::Fixed, article title is at (baseball). ] (]) 23:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ], this occurred in the United States, which is prone to shootings, in addition the death toll is too low to warrant an ITN post. ] (]) 21:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC) *'''Support''' Well cited and reasonable length, only 1 cn tag in the "Personal life and death" section but it's nothing controversial and not directly about the person therefore shouldn't hold up the nomination. ] (]) 00:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Kirliator and the TRM, no long-term impact and low death toll. ] (]) 21:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC) *There are two citation needed tags. Otherwise the article is much improved. ] (]) 14:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose at the moment''' Unremarkable run-of-the-mill US mass shooting on the face of it, but some comments by political figures may make this more newsworthy as it develops. At the moment, though, no, it's clearly not ITN-worthy. ] 21:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's in the news with a decent article. MINIMUMDEATHS is ridiculous, and is not a real WP policy. ] (]) 22:09, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
:@] ] isn’t an official policy, but it does provide enough evidence to show what kinds of disasters get posted onto ITN and which do not. ] (]) 22:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
::Actually it doesn't, it's based on a random sampling of postings gathered by a single editor over a brief period of time, and does not in any way aggregate the long history of postings at ITN. Further, it flies in the face of ]. Oh well. --] (]) 00:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the “shootings in the United States” bia. Shootings in the United States are far too common, and often times set a dangerous standard on what gets posted to ITN. I will not interfere with future impact per ], but I will state this: shootings were the fatality count is in the single-digits will almost certainly never get posted to ITN. ] (]) 22:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Isn't the newspaper owned by ]? Apparently owned by '']'', which is owned by Tronc. If that is the case, we need to fix this in the article first.] (]) 22:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
::Fixed and added corporate response.] (]) 23:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
::<small>Is it news that DT says he's for ''journalists''? – ] (]) 22:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' not ITN worthy right now, given the death toll is only in the single digits. ] (]) 22:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The proposed blurbs are unclear. In what country did this event occur? ] (]) 22:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*After a jolly past couple of days of beating cricket bats against American editors for daring to nominate the retirement of some judge in some court somewhere, this is just what ITN/C needs is a rousing discussion on the clockwork brouhaha that is gun violence in the United States. Absolutely wonderful.
*'''Oppose''' per ].--] (]) 22:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' In addition to the fact that this is an unfortunately but oft repeated gun tragedy in the US, it is getting coverage bias as all the outlets I spot checked are arguing this as a threat to journalism and the like. There's no indication this was an international terrorism act, though I'd reconsider once the authorities (who have the perp in custody) learn more. --] (]) 23:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support'''' per ] a made up non standard which is utterly worthless and has no value whatsoever, and per ] which actually does have value. Easily as significant as some people killed in a Venezuelan night club, or a prison, or whatever unsafe building burns down in Venezuela next month. Come on. --] (]) 23:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*{{ec}} x ad nauseum '''Oppose''' Sorry, but absent something that adds to the notability of this tragedy, a death toll of five is not enough for ITN. Nor is that a US specific observation. If this had occurred in the Vatican or Buckingham Palace, I'd probably support. But violent crime is an unhappy occurrence all over the world. -] (]) 23:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Mass shootings are routine in the United States. ] ] 23:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Pile on Oppose''' there are a number of problems with this nomination, but the main two that stand out: the article is not in in the best condition, and the fact that the death toll is far too low to warrant an ITN posting as the writer of the MINIMUMDEATHS “policy” states “5 or even 10 deaths is insufficient.” This is nothing more than yet another minor shooting in the gun-loving nation known as the United States. ] (]) 23:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
**Lets just be clear, so I'm gonna put in bold caps and swear: '''THERE IS NO MINIMUM DEATHS THAT'S MADE UP BULLSHIT USED PRIMARILY TO KEEP "US-CENTRIC" STORIES OFF THE MAIN PAGE -- IT'S NOT A POLICY IT'S A USER SPACE ESSAY AND IT HAS NO VALUE'''. You're welcome. --] (]) 23:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
***I don't wish to comment on the merits of this posting, but I agree that MINIMUMDEATHS is inappropriate to cite. Either it should be made an official guideline/policy, or we shouldn't cite it as one. ] (]) 23:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
****I've made a submission at ] regarding it. While I'm sure the editor was acting in good faith, I don't believe it belongs in the WP namespace. --] (]) 23:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - five deaths simply doesn't meet the threshold of notability required for ITN, especially considering the extenuating circumstances - the frequency of mass shootings in the states. Hence, I have to oppose. On a side note, ] is not "policy", and should not be considered thusly, despite the fact that it is an interesting and useful catalogue of the seemingly arbitrary thresholds applied at ITN through time. Please do not cite it as a rationale for a !vote. ] (]) 23:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is in the news here in Australia, packaged with observations about the increasing encouragement by conservative politicians and others to do nasty things to journalists. It's the latter that makes this globally newsworthy. ] (]) 23:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Global news, horrible, and it seems "newsier" because it happened to a newspaper.] (]) 23:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' minor shooting, would you nominate this if it occurred in another country? ] (]) 23:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)<small>— ] (]) has made ] outside this topic. </small>
::Yes, I would if the news was getting international coverage.---]<nowiki/>and] 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
**I forget the WP tag for this, but it's worth noting that this is this IP editors first edit. --] (]) 00:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is news that is getting international coverage!
::In U.K., ''The Independent'': ""
::In Australia, ''The Mercury'': ""
::In Canada, ''The Toronto Star'': ""
::In Germany, ''Stuttgarter Zeitung'': ""
:I could go on with newspapers from every developed or developing country in the world. ---]<nowiki/>and] 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
::In New Zealand, ''Television New Zealand'': ""
::In Italy, ''Corriere della Sera'': "
::In Spain, ''El País'':
::In France, ''France 24'': ---]<nowiki/>and] 00:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Getting international coverage is not a requirement nor necessarily supportive prove that an ITNC should be posted, though does show that an event has more than just local interest. --] (]) 00:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I should mention that there have been many nominations on this board that have received minimal coverage that ended up getting posted, whilst ones with “widespread international coverage” that were nominated but were not posted amongst various reasons. ] (]) 00:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' expect this to not be resolved like most US shootings do, it will also be forgotten within the next week or so like that YouTube Headquarters shooting awhile back.− ] (]) 00:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)<small>— ] (]) has made ] outside this topic. </small>
**I forget the WP tag for this, but it's worth noting that this is this IP editors first edit. --] (]) 00:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
***{{ping|LaserLegs}} {{tls|Single-purpose account}}? '''&thinsp;&mdash;'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;(])&nbsp;(])&thinsp; 00:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== (Posted) RD: Harlan Ellison ==== ==== (Posted) RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Harlan Ellison <!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources = ,
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| updated = yes
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| nominator = Khaatir
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| creator = Khaatir
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
}}
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of ] at the time of his death. ] (]) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
*'''Support''' Well cited and long enough, with good quality holding this up for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
| altblurb3 = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
* '''Posted'''. --] (]) 17:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
==== (Posted) RD: Stephanie Aeffner ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Stephanie Aeffner<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = German Member of Parliament<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' 3449 characters (537 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. ] (]) 09:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Sourcing is good and just long enough <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Lead too short.—] (]) 05:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} I've added a sentence. ] (]) 13:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*None of the sources states that she died on 15 January; both simply say that she died. The German article, which is almost identical to the English translation, says that she died "on or before 15 January". ''']]''' 13:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:She died on 15 January 2025. I've added a source. ] (]) 14:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 16:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Diane Langton ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Diane Langton <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Meena <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Meena<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = English actress, singer and dancer
| sign = – ] • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Ready'''. All information is cited, and I fould no other concerns. Marked as ready. ] (]) 14:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article seems good to go for RD. ]]] ] 20:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Linda Nolan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Linda Nolan <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Meena <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Meena<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Irish singer and television personality
| sign = – ] • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Article is long enough and is well cited. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*There is one citation tag and the discography section is unsourced. This seems almost ready. ] (]) 14:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
**'''Ready'''. Unsourced information has been removed or hidden. Marked as ready. ] (]) 04:59, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 05:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Jack Hoffman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jack Hoffman
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Dmartin969 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| updaters = 1949mercury <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator = Challenger l <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = Article is in good shape. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| updater = Moscow Mule<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| nom cmt = Orange tags for sourcing needed in many sections - so it does need a proper working-on <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign = ] (]) 19:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' - article looks good <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Too much unreferenced content. Please ping me when you have referenced the article, and I will reconsider. Thanks.] (]) 22:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As noted, this is ways away from being front page material, which is a shame. --] (]) 22:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC) * '''Posted'''. --] (]) 17:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Parts of this article are well referenced. However, significant parts aren't most notably the works section which is lengthy. ] (]) 21:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - referencing is inadequate for the main page at present. ] (]) 21:22, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Ping''' – Is the article looking any better? The orange boxes are still in place (it's not for me as an involved editor to remove them, I don't think), but all the individual "citation needed" tags have been addressed. ] (]) 23:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Moscow Mule}} it is '''tons''' better but the Awards need to be sourced. might help, but that's really the only thing I see at this point. Good job. --] (]) 23:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the kind words & encouragement. All the awards are referenced now, unless something's slipped through. ] (]) 06:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is decently sourced now - yes, good job. Marking for attention. ] 14:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' indeed, concur with Black Kite. Good to go. ] (]) 14:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' (even though I was involved, will vouch for improvements and clear importance) --] (]) 15:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Big thanks to Moscow Mule and everyone that helped this along ] (]) 17:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Rob Hiaasen ==== ====(Posted) Israel-Hamas ceasefire ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Rob Hiaasen <!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = A ''']''' is reached to halt the ]
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| sources = '''' <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = Coffeeandcrumbs<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = Coffeeandcrumbs<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] and ] agree to a ''']''' that aims to end ] in the ].
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| altblurb2 = ] and ] agree to a ] including the release of 33 hostages and thousands of Palestinian prisoners-of-war.
| sign = ---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 08:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = ,
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| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
*'''Oppose''', article was created less than two hours ago. Nothing is stopping it from being turned into a redirect or being deleted at AfD. It would be best if this nomination was withdrawn. <span style="font-family: Cambria;">] (])</span> 08:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
| nominator = Nice4What <!-- Do NOT change this -->
::Why should I withdraw the nomination? IMO, the article is well-sourced. Can you point to any particular problems? I will be sure to address them.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 08:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
*'''Oppose''' - Notable upon death.--] (]) 10:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
::Is there an issue with the contents of the page? Please point it out. {{tq|Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.}} If you believe the subject is not notable I invited to nominate for AFD. Otherwise, your !vote is moot and irrelevant. The person has an article and recently died. Therefore qualifies for inclusion per ].---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 11:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
::: I don't think he's notable, to be honest. Editors of newspapers ''can'' be notable, but they generally have some other claim to fame or are nationally well-known. Mr Hiaasen, it appears, did not. I don't think his single short story in an anthology helps much, either. I'm not going to AfD it because I'm interested in what others think. ] 14:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
| sign = ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*Seems like a pretty clear ] case. We need "significant coverage" in RS for a BLP aside from his killing. <small>]</small> 16:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment''' this happens ''every'' time there is an RD nom for a newly created article. There is '''no requirement''' that an article not be new for notability. None. That's made up. If you have a problem with this article vs ] then take it to AFD. Opposing on notability grounds is '''worthless''' and should be ignored as a meaningless waste of time. Don't like it? Head over to WT:ITN and propose a change. --] (]) 22:23, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' ], posthumously-created articles should not be opposed for that reason for RD. As concluded in that discussion, and as Coffeeandcrumbs and LaserLegs note above: if you oppose it on the grounds that the subject is not notable, the appropriate venue is AfD, not here. In my view, the subject is notable enough for an article, so '''support'''. ] (]) 03:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Strong support on notability''' About time. ] (]) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**Discussed, yes, but there was a clear lack of consensus. The RD RFC removed the elevated level of significance that ''exceeded'' ], but said nothing about assuming notability itself. If an article is AfD'ed, it cannot be considered for ITNC, but the inverse (that anything not nominated is presumed to have met WP:N) is not supported by policy or discussion in the RfC. On the contrary, there is a clear advantage to discussing WP:N at ITNC, as it does not hold up the nom as an AfD would. Requiring such discussion to occur at AfD is a clear violation of ]. <small>]</small> 13:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::I'll also add '''oppose on quality''' for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). ] (]) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::Added altblurb. ] (]) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Polarizing'''. Outcomes like this mean that people will be tempted to take such nominated articles to AfD to prevent them from being posted. Again, I urge people to not nominate weak cases such as this one. <span style="font-family: Cambria;">] (])</span> 06:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::{{u|Departure–}} are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? ''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::It was certainly tempting to go to AFD for this article just to stop this from being posted. Of course, I'm aware this constitutes a ]...--] (]) 11:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). ] (]) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::Well, the same admin who posted it bumped it 5 minutes later. Seems like he was making a point of his own. <small>]</small> 14:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::<small>Did you mean 5 hours?</small>---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 02:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Weak support on article quality, support on notability''' - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. ] (]) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::I believe you've mixed up your votes, @] <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oops ] (]) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::changed :) ] (]) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support on notability''' for obvious reasons, but '''weak oppose on quality''' as the article needs to be updated</s>. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Prefer the original blurb over ALT1 as well, given there were more parties to the deal than just Israel and Hamas + there's (unfortunately) no guarantee this permanently ends the war. Do feel the hostage release should be somehow noted, though. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:<s>Temporarily changing to '''Wait''' per Modest Genius - neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor any of the mediators have formally announced the deal yet. Let's pump the brakes until that happens</s>. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:<s>The USA’s now confirmed the deal, but I’m remaining at wait until it formally goes into effect</s> ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 20:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' now that’s it’s in effect. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to get the article(s) in shape. Obviously this is a major development and I '''support''' on notability, but it was <s>announced</s> leaked literally a few minutes ago. We now have separate articles on ] (which is still presented as only a proposal) and ], which should be the bold link but focuses on the hostage exchange rather than the ceasefire and needs to include some reaction. It should probably also be renamed. ITN should let that article settle down a bit rather than rushing to post - we're not a news ticker. ] ] 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. ] ] 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Another update: it has now been announced that the ceasefire will begin on 19 Jan. So we should '''wait''' until then to post, which also gives time for the articles to be sorted out. ] ] 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. <span class="nowrap">] (]) <small>(please ] me on reply)</small></span> 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:According to the Wall Street Journal, this is an "agreement to the outline" of the deal that was leaked. There will be 24-48 hours before it is finalized. It's major news, but an alternative blurb with attribution is necessary. <span class="nowrap">] (]) <small>(please ] me on reply)</small></span> 17:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' on notability, noting that yet another article was created at ], meaning a merge should definitely be considered. ] (] · ]) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Wait'''</s> All reports i see include "according to ppl familiar with the matter", so this is not confirmed yet. ] (]) 17:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**White House is now confirming but the article should fully reflect all details of the ceasefire <span id="Masem:1736969816992:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**'''Support''' now that hostages have actually been exchanged. There may still be a violation in the future but that we got to this point is pretty significant. --] (]) 16:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. ] (]) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Wait''', but if nothing changes for one hour '''promote this quickly'''. ''']]''' 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:.....this is a section called In The News ] (]) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. ] (]) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. ] (]) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:]. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. ] ] 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@] I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it ''might'' not hold once in effect. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Agreed. ] ] 20:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel''' If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to {{u|Abcmaxx}}, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a ''permanent'' end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. ]]] ] 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I understand the ] arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. ] (]) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
*::See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ] (]) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait/Support''' for the deal going into effect. ] (]) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' notable and major event
:] (]) 20:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' for the ceasefire to take effect. ] 20:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' They reached a ceasefire, and there’s no reason to wait. We should post a blurb on this and remove it from ongoing. If one of the parties breaks the ceasefire and continues with military operations, that’d be a separate story to post.--] (]) 20:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Strongly oppose''' removing this from ongoing. The first phase, which has been agreed to, covers only . The negotiation of a permanent ceasefire has not yet happened.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 21:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' but make it only about the hostage exchange until the ceasefire is official ] (]) 20:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' I'm just listening to an Israeli spokesman on the BBC (David Mercer) who states quite definitely that the deal has not been finalised and won't be until tomorrow at the earliest. And the background of US politics seems quite puzzling (why is Trump so keen on doing this before the inauguration?) It will take time to nail down these details and also to see if the ceasefire and hostage releases actually happen. In the meantime, we have the war listed in Ongoing and that covers all such developments. ]🐉(]) 21:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There's a precedence likely Trump would like to emulate, but its Crystal Ball to say if it true or not, but see ]. ] (]) 00:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strongly support''' when ready. Very notable, very significant. I will note that so far they have only agreed to phase one of the ceasefire out of three. -] (]) 21:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' huge news ] (]) 00:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' very important. --] (]) 00:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support on notability''' because this is indeed very important news. --] (]) 01:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for the ceasefire to take effect. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' when everything's ready and assured. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I'll believe it when I see it. Also, if this does happen, then Gaza should go from ongoing. Otherwise this is ongoing. ] (]) 07:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' It is just a 42-day ceasefire, not the end of the war. It doesn't even take effect until Sunday, so there will be more fighting until then. Should stay in Ongoing. ] ] 08:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

* '''Wait''' until ceasefire takes effect on the 19th. ] (]) 12:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. ] (]/]) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' noting that Israel wants to delay the ceasefire, as it performed airstrikes overnight. Definitely should wait. ] (]) 18:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:The ceasefire doesn't go into effect until the 19th. ] (]) 02:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (). ]] 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Speedy post''' Ceasefire went into effect at 11:15{{Nbsp}}a.m. ] today per reliable media outlets.] (]) 10:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until it goes into effect. Israel's cabinet hasn't approved the ceasefire and it's entirely possible they will not. ] (]) 21:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Israel’s cabinet has now approved the ceasefire. --] (]) 18:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' it's being reported widely, so it should be good enough. ] (]) 01:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::That would be true, if it wasn't already listed in ongoing. ] (]) 17:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' due to positive responses. ] (]) 04:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Israeli government is on the verge of ratifying it. It seems that this will be a actual ceasefire.] (]) 20:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' if/when it goes into effect tomorrow morning. I'd want to make sure it's 100% confirmed before we post. --] (]) 12:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Speedy post''' A leading event for the end of the war. ] (]) 18:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:How does this end the war, ]? Netanyahu was clear that this is only a temporary ceasefire, and that Israel has the right to resume attacking Gaza. ] (]) 03:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::He didn't say that. ] (]) 03:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::The BBC, ], clearly reported that he said that in a . Why do you claim otherwise? ] (]) 03:15, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Sorry, I didn't see that. But still, that's only if the ceasefire doesn't reach the second phase during negotiations. ] (]) 03:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' with the more recent news that Israel is saying that this is only a , I'd argue that this still is still covered by ongoing. However in case this is posted anyhow, the two proposed blurbs are way too definitive about the end of the war - so I've proposed a new one to reflect Israel's claims. ] (]) 03:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There is significant dispute about which and how many Israelis are being released, I wouldn't include the exact number there.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 07:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I agree. Looking at the latest news, Israel has already been ignoring the ceasefire for a couple of hours. Perhaps we should close this debate, and keep the ongoing. ] (]) 08:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Nfitz}}, cautiously optimistic that the ceasefire deal may have begun.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 09:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::they started it after hammas released the hostage list. ] (]) 10:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Speedy Post''' its important and to check why others refuse:
:1) '''It may not actually lead to anything.''' well guess what, the section is "In The News", not "Development of Peace" or something like that. And this is very much in the news.
:2) '''It's only temporary.''' Yes, the blurb makes it look like it's finally over, but @] has added ALT2 which seems better.
:3) '''It didn't even happen yet.''' Okay, ''until 2 hours ago at least''. Now I guess we don't have to wait, right?
:4) '''Israel can just stop it.''' Once again, it's ''In The News'' and not "Development of Peace". Now for those who were saying that before the ceasefire begun, I can understand. ] (]) 10:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] not to mention, those arguing #1 and #4 (and somewhat #2) are firmly into ] territory. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::You don't mention the only issue, ], that I think is stopping this getting blurbed. It's already in the ITN in ongoing. ] (]) 18:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Speedy post''' Ceasefire is in effect, hostages are being exchanged currently. Lets get this through now. ] (]) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} this is good to go. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Which blurb? ] (]) 17:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] just speaking for myself, but IMO the original blurb is best;
:::* ALT1 implies the entire three-phase deal has been agreed to in order to end the war, when in reality only phase 1 has been agreed to and the Israeli gov thus far seems not keen on further phases.
:::* ALT2 implies all Palestinian prisoners being released are ]s/combatants from the current war, when many (most?) are not - some are, some are civilians, some were convicted of terrorism or other non-combat charges, etc.
:::I ''would'' prefer something like "A ''']''' is reached to halt the ], involving the release of ] and ]," but that would also be a supervote on my part.
:::] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:55, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Perhaps "suspend" would be better than "halt". I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire. ALT-2 was an attempt to make something that didn't announce the end of the war. ] (]) 18:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{tq|I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire.}}
:::::@] ''In theory'', per negotiators, this ceasefire is intended to ultimately reach an end to the war as part of the three-phase framework; last year's ceasefire didn't carry the same connotations for anyone but the most optimistic. It's not guaranteed that it does, but similarly, there's no guarantee it doesn't; ] dictates we can't make that decision ourselves. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::So how is this not already covered in ongoing, and should we leave it in ongoing? (I'd strongly support if it wasn't in ongoing) ] (]) 18:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@]:
:::::::#Ongoing is not a universal override against including any events from an item in ITN - it instead ''heavily'' raises the bar for anything from that item to appear. <s>I believe we posted the Kursk offensive last year and the Kharkiv/Kherson counteroffensives the year before, despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine already being there.</s>
:::::::#As per precedence from the invasion of Lebanon item, we should probably leave it in ongoing until a definitive conclusion can be made on whether it's truly at an end - in this case, at least through when we know if phase 2 will actually go into effect.
:::::::] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I'm just reading that Israel has killed 19 people in Gaza today alone - hours after they were supposed to stop fighting. This all feels too soon to me. ] (]) 18:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::They did that when they delayed the ceasefire because they wanted Hamas to release the names first. The ceasefire did go into effect, and Hamas released the names and the hostages. ] (]) 22:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::'''Definitely ready''' The prisoner exchange is ongoing. ] (]) 02:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} another ping, this item should now be posted, as the ceasefire is currently active, with prisoners being exchanged by both sides. I support using the original blurb, or Alt II. ] (]) 04:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*I'll give the discussion a read and will action this if I see a consensus to post. ''']]''' 08:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' a modified version of the blurb suggested by {{u|The Kip}}. ''']]''' 08:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Women Disobey ==== ====(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest ====
{{atop|No consensus to post a relatively small-scale protest. ]] 23:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)}}
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* '''Support: ''' Seems notable. Deserves attention. ] (]|]) 01:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is a bit short--please flesh it out. The fact that world-famous Sarandon got arrested, alongside a congresswoman and over 500 attendees, makes it notable/newsworthy.] (]) 07:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
* (BBC) are trickling in. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 02:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.--] (]) 14:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' trivial. ] (]) 14:43, 1 July 2018 (UTC) :'''Support on notability''' Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --] (]) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::Looks like a yuge number of arrests over one protest. Plus a congresswoman and a world-famous actress--no small potatoes!] (]) 16:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' This seems incidental to the impeachment process as a whole. What should be blurbable is the result, with removal and a change in the officeholder (beyond someone acting as president) being INTR. ] (]) 03:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree that the "arrest" by itself should not be the subject of a blurb. The blurb should be about the end result of this whole saga. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Protests against teapot dictators in the Middle East dwarf the size of this protest on a regular basis and do not get posted. This didn't even make the front page of the New York Times. This isn't even small French fries. This is a total nothingburger.--] (]) 19:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Was already impeached, this drama around avoiding arrest is very much secondary to what we already posted. ] (]) 03:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@WaltCip, Forgive me if I am not convinced by this argument since you voted against ''The Times'' front page article of that day "Per ]." @TRM, this is clearly #OPPOSEALLAMERICANNEWS and you are not even trying hard to hide that fact.---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 22:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' because he is the first South Korean president detained while in office, although he is suspended due to impeachment. ]] 03:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::This and that are two different things.--] (]) 23:33, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) ] (]) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::"{{xt|@TRM, this is clearly #OPPOSEALLAMERICANNEWS and you are not even trying hard to hide that fact.}}" what are you talking about? I don't even care where this so-called news item took place, it's trivial, not in the news at all, and not worthy of our main page. ] (]) 22:35, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. ] (]) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Blurb does not explain what a "women disobey" is. ] (]) 16:10, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. ] (]) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::Fixed---&nbsp;]<nowiki/>and] 22:22, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*:Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. ] (]) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - no lasting encyclopedic impact, a minor protest compared to those usually posted at ITN. ] (]) 23:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --]] 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but maybe this would get more support at DYK. ] (]) 03:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Trump precedent ] (]) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support once the article is improved''' It's a little short and there's a few red links, but it's very notable. The blurb should be a little more specific about what the event was rather than just calling it by name, though. It's not a total nothingburger by any means; I would personally !vote in favour of posting protests with an equal number of arrests in other countries. It's certainly not trivial either. I tend to agree with TRM, but I am not impressed by the one-word response labeling an event that resulted in nearly six hundred arrests (including the ''arrest of an incumbent member of congress'') as "trivial." I am also wholly unimpressed by WaltCip's response which included a total of zero words of rationale. Misplaced Pages is not a vote; rationale is what ultimately determines whether a consensus exists or not. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 22:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--] (]) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It's a trivial number of arrests. And utterly inconsequential. Not newsworthy, nothing short of a trivial stunt to gain publicity. How many of the "arrests" have culminated in prosecutions? In the bad old days of European football, we'd get that many arrests at a single football match. Boring, of no consequence, no encyclopedic value, nothing that a real encyclopedia would even mention in passing. ] (]) 22:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*:{{tpq| Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over.}} In common English usage, "]" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "]s") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --] (]) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Whether a demonstration results in ten arrests or a thousand arrests does make a difference in how newsworthy the event is; for sitting members of congress to be arrested and detained is not normal. The number of people jailed does make a difference, and arresting members of the legislative branch is definitely more notable than "arrests" in a football match. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">] ]</span> 22:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
*:::Sure, it's a publicity stunt, we get it. It's super trivial. This isn't getting close to the main page. Unless it's via the backdoor, trivia DYK route. ] (]) 22:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Support''' A major event of the Korean crisis. ] (]) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' "Participants in the event were estimated to number in the thousands. ..." Next. ] (]) 22:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC) *'''Support''' per above, still important. ] (]) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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*:He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--] (]) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Support This should actually be added due to the fact that this might be the first on record president of the ] to be arrested, and plus @] is right, he can return to power. So he is technically still the president and this standoff led to an arrest. ] (]) 13:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability. A major event in global politics. --] (]) 14:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is just a minor stage in an ongoing drama. Looking at previous presidents under this constitution, ] jumped into a ravine, ] got 17 years in jail and ] got 24 years in jail. Having to answer some questions seems quite mild by comparison and it's the final outcome which will matter more. My impression from their game shows is that SK is quite highly strung and intense and so they often tend to go to such extremes. ]🐉(]) 14:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:The difference being that Yoon is still president in suspension and hasn't been removed from his post. Roh's suicide happened years after he lost the ]; Lee's conviction came more than half decade after his loss in the ]; Park too was convicted years after her ]. Notably none of these involved the intensive stand-off at the heart of the story here.
*:And we seriously cannot be assessing South Korean politics through its TV game shows. ] (]) 17:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong support altblurb 2''' - not just the arrest. The ] is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. ] (]) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*"Sitting ] arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
:'''Note on linking:''' the prez bio article is currently titled ]. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical ], so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --] (]) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' - very notable, sitting president arrested
:] (]) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - A sitting president (yes, he doesn't exercise his powers due the impeachment but he's still a sitting president) was arrested. What news is significant if this isn't? ''']<sub>]</sub>''' 16:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' even with the prior posting of his impeachment, this is still the arrest of a sitting head of state/government. It's easily notable enough. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Trump precedent. ] (] · ]) 17:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**We posted Trump:s impeachment, indictment and his convictions, but ''never'' posted his arrest, so there is no ", Trump precedent" here. (we already posted Yoon's impeachment)<span id="Masem:1736966657367:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 18:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**:There is no Trump precedent, but if Trump had only surrendered to authorities after a fortnight of using his Secret Service detail to barricade Mar-a-lago or Trump Tower to stop police from arresting him and forcing a 3,000 strong police force to infiltrate the building, it probably would've been posted. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**::On the basis that the arrest was not preceeded by a conviction or similar. And while Yoon did cause this delay, this was all peaceful, making an interesting part of the whole impeacent process but not a significant standalone part of that story. ] (]) 23:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' His martial law, his impeachment, and the subsequent impeachment of Han Duck-soo were notable enough, but I'd argue that this isn't really that notable. Yoon definitely had it coming, and we've already blurbed 3 events relating to this crisis. --] (]) 18:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this has made global headline news, even made some if the front pages of some very far flung places far from Korea, and the surrounding circumstances and manner of arrest is highly unusual and polarising in itself. Unprecedented event, and his arrest although possible was in no way a foregone conclusion at all. ] (]) 19:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Arrest of a sitting (albeit suspended) President. That alone should be enough to warrant a blurb here. Add in the fact that this wasn't just some mundane arrest either, and this is a slam-dunk nom. ] (]) 19:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' it may be more prudent to add ] to ongoing. I suspect this isn't going to go away any time soon, and not every update is going to be ITN-worthy. ] 20:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Significant. ''']''' (]) 21:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' as Yoon is the first president of South Korea detained while in office in history. --] (]) 01:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Most definitely a key moment of the current crisis in South Korea, although I agree with {{U|Dmartin969}} that adding the ] to the ongoing section might prove to be a reasonable decision, as well. But we likely need to open a different discussion for it... ] (]) 10:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per editors above. Technically still in office, becomes the first arrested sitting president of South Korea ''']''' (]) 15:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' we posted Trump for getting arrested, and he wasn't even the incumbent at the time. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">]</sup>'' 16:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I believe there is a consensus to post, so I am doing so. ] (]) 17:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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Section sizes
Section size for Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates (46 sections)
Section name Byte
count		 Section
total
(Top) 359 359
Archives 157 157
Sections 263 263
January 22 171 171
January 21 122 122
RD: Garth Hudson 857 857
RD: Jules Feiffer 958 958
(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire 6,768 6,768
RD: Håkon Bleken 1,077 1,077
(Closed) Trump executive orders 10,587 10,587
January 20 122 122
RD: John Sykes 969 969
2024–25 College Football Playoff 16,280 16,280
(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks 7,728 7,728
RD: Cecile Richards 1,729 1,729
(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump 4,436 4,436
January 19 123 123
(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg 965 965
RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml 859 859
(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States 28,181 28,181
Storming of South Korean court 2,746 2,746
January 18 122 122
(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen 1,480 1,480
(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran 7,441 7,441
2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion 4,725 4,725
RD: Russell Marshall 925 925
January 17 122 122
Didier Guillaume 10,645 10,645
Blurb/RD: Denis Law 4,195 4,195
(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright 2,369 2,369
January 16 122 122
(Review needed) RD: Hans Dobida 851 851
(Removed) California fires to ongoing 6,319 6,319
New Glenn launch 9,152 9,152
(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch 11,055 11,055
(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker 2,573 2,573
January 15 123 123
(Posted) RD: Tommy Brown (baseball) 2,061 2,061
(Posted) RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi 1,091 1,091
(Posted) RD: Stephanie Aeffner 2,289 2,289
(Posted) RD: Diane Langton 1,172 1,172
(Posted) RD: Linda Nolan 1,265 1,265
(Posted) RD: Jack Hoffman 1,138 1,138
(Posted) Israel-Hamas ceasefire 31,288 31,288
(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest 17,288 17,288
References 830 830
Total 206,098 206,098

January 22

Portal:Current events/2025 January 22
January 22, 2025 (2025-01-22) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime

January 21

Portal:Current events/2025 January 21
January 21, 2025 (2025-01-21) (Tuesday)

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Business and economy

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Law and crime

RD: Garth Hudson

Article: Garth Hudson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star, Ultimate Classic Rock
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician, member of The Band, death announced today. GeoGreg (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jules Feiffer

Article: Jules Feiffer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American cartoonist, death announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire

Article: 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
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Nominator's comments: Another tragedy. Another article to work. ArionStar (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Like all of my other votes, Oppose on quality but Support on notability Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
@Bloxzge 025: in good shape now. ArionStar (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking better but still can be improved. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak Support - article is slightly stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait: 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:NEWSEVENT explains "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. I'm not seeing anything further in this case. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Håkon Bleken

Article: Håkon Bleken (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, abcnyheter.no
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. Oceanh (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump executive orders

SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image Article: List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incoming US President Donald Trump (pictured) issues a flurry of executive orders including withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and the World Health Organization (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW
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Article updatedNominator's comments: These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a nomination for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the American Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:C5C1:C762:3EA7:2882 (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? Black Kite (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Front-page news everywhere PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, oppose the other orders or lumping them together, strong oppose on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. Modest Genius 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. nableezy - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. La Ovo (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. qw3rty 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

January 20

Portal:Current events/2025 January 20
January 20, 2025 (2025-01-20) (Monday)

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Business and economy

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Politics and elections

Sports

RD: John Sykes

Article: John Sykes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

2024–25 College Football Playoff

Article: 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In college football Ohio State defeats Notre Dame to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In college football the Ohio State Buckeyes defeat the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff.
News source(s): Guardian live updates
Credits:

Nominator's comments: They finally found a way to hike tournament size from 4 teams to 12 removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+New Years Six tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is not the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. Noah, BSBA 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than Super Bowl quarterback Brock Purdy. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. Noah, BSBA 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Support top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. Scuba 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
If "Canadian Football" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then College Football is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. Scuba 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong Support This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. LocoTacoFever (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

They make up to $6.2 million from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Moved. Masem (t) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It's not UTC date? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that. — Masem (t) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability, once winner determined. This is a massive, massive deal in the U.S. – the second biggest sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 ("Record number of international athletes proves college football is now global"), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive several million per year for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the largest sports stadiums in the world being for college football. I previously made a comparison of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly every single one we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and the World Series, which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait The game is not over yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability per Beanie. The Kip 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. nableezy - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting any university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only very minor rules adjustments, less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. Modest Genius 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are different enough that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Considering that new NIL deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. DecafPotato (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. Spencer 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there is a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. Black Kite (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks

Article: 2025 Catatumbo attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of attacks perpetrated by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Cecile Richards

Article: Cecile Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Weak oppose 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. Departure– (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump

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Proposed image Article: Second inauguration of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as President and Vice President of the United States.
News source(s):
Credits: Nominator's comments: This occurs at noon EST today. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. Departure– (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Support meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:3DEF:5E7B:72CC:6A64 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose and snow close per above. The Kip 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. PolarManne (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg

Article: Jeff Torborg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml

Article: Kulanthai Shanmugalingam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northbeat
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Nominator's comments: prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka Abishe (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States

Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Restrictions on TikTok in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Social media platform TikTok (message pictured) suspends operations in the United States after its parent company ByteDance fails to sell the app to a U.S. based buyer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Social media TikTok (message pictured) is officially shut down in the United States following ByteDance inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) following ByteDance's inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) in anticipation of legislation banning the app.
News source(s): TheVerge CNN Rappler Reuters
Credits: Nominator's comments: Also, nominated by QalasQalas Royiswariii Talk! 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free speach speech" 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support with modifications. Shutdown is a noun, so it should say "shut down in the United States". 675930s (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Fixed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support the original altblurb II. Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States, as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. 2600:1700:5890:69F0:3DB3:30C8:4F5F:E360 (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support first blurb. Obviously notable Personisinsterest (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better Personisinsterest (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt Personisinsterest (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support original blurb Of course. ArionStar (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --Masem (t) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --Masem (t) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.
      I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US. — Masem (t) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. Royiswariii Talk! 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been any progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
      Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). Masem (t) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Alt blurb 3; it's worth mentioning the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Should this image be used instead of the current skinny image? AlphaBeta135talk 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @AlphaBeta135, I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. Royiswariii Talk! 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
TikTok bans
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  • Support ALT3. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- Patar knight - /contributions 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per SimpleSubCubicGraph Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. Blythwood (talk) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news now. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. PolarManne (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @PolarManne, I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President Donald Trump, then, just nominate it. Royiswariii Talk! 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days. — Masem (t) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on U.S.. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ByteDance, then we can nominate a another separate news on this. Royiswariii Talk! 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See Why is its disappearance being met with a shrug? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Have you been on social media recently? Personisinsterest (talk) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    the article Kevin Roose of The New York Times is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is 170 Million users around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. Royiswariii Talk! 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even nominated for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:5DA5:1062:6319:56FF (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Oppose Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
    Noah, BSBA 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? Khuft (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. Gotitbro (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like Marvel Snap). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. Masem (t) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Gotitbro Lemon8 and CapCut are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. AlphaBeta135talk 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "TikTok ban bill", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. Gotitbro (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per above Sharrdx (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait or Strong oppose As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users, which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st TNM101 (chat) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem TheHiddenCity (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". Khuft (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changing my vote to Oppose given the latest developments. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. Hungry403 (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close Ban lifted. 85.166.4.191 (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose events have now overtaken this. Support close. Nfitz (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. RachelTensions (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. Gravity 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support ALT3. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... Tradedia 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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Storming of South Korean court

Proposed image Article: 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Supporters of South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol raid the Seoul Western District Court  (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. (Post)
News source(s): Chosun Blitz The Korea Times
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Nominator's comments: This is the first time in South Korean constitutional history that a court was attacked by people. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 07:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Apart from the WP:SEAOFBLUE violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen

Article: Claire van Kampen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the Royal Shakespeare Company, who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Please check, Fakescientist8000

(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran

Proposed image Article: 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two Sharia judges are assassinated and two other people are injured in a mass shooting at the Supreme Court of Iran (pictured) in capital Tehran. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The Kip 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
The article title on this event also uses this term 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran, so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. Natg 19 (talk) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Done (both) by Amakuru 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). Natg 19 (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion

Article: 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explosion near Suleja, Niger state, Nigeria, kills at least 96 people and injures 69 others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: High number of deaths. ArionStar (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Russell Marshall

Article: Russell Marshall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz, Radio New Zealand
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Nominator's comments: Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced. Kiwichris (talk) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Didier Guillaume

Proposed image Article: Didier Guillaume (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Didier Guillaume, the Minister of State of Monaco, dies, and Isabelle Berro-Amadeï is appointed as the acting Minister of State (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde Sarajevo Times Monaco Tribune
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Nominator's comments: Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government TNM101 (chat) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Per Minister of State (Monaco), The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco and the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military. They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.
Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough on their own to post on ITN with a blurb. According to Monarchy of Monaco, only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that head of government is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
And ultimately, the results of general elections are already able to be posted, so the only thing that saying Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page List of current heads of state and government. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: Charles III, and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The head of state of Monaco is the prince. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Somewhat medium support. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which administers the executive", per our article on the office. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, our article on the monarchy states Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke> -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support blurb despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. Scuba 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
RD Only - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. 1779Days (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. Aydoh8 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Blurb/RD: Denis Law

Article: Denis Law (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Record goalscorer for Manchester United and the Scotland national team, Ballon d'Or winner (1964). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Law wasn't in the United team for the 1968 European Cup final, because he was injured. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright

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 wizzito | say hello! 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Review needed) RD: Hans Dobida

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Nominator's comments: Copyedit and updates complete. I feel it is ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Removed) California fires to ongoing

Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below. Stephen 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@MtPenguinMonster they already have. The Kip 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. Masem (t) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Pull from ongoing No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. Departure– (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

New Glenn launch

Article: New Glenn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few Super heavy-lift launch vehicles. 109.166.233.124 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@109.166.233.124 Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. SpectralIon 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@The Kip Alright, then I would say Support on Notability since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --SpectralIon 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, weak support on quality. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. Modest Genius 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. Ergzay (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
    Exactly as planned. Modest Genius 14:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment and support on notability. There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --Ouro (blah blah) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Quality is adequate The Kip 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that soft support as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. Scuba 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergzay (talk • contribs)
It's a huge development, User:Ergzay. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. Nfitz (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
None of those Starship ITN requests have been actually posted because of people lacking technical understanding of the subject. First of all Starship hasn't been trying to achieve orbit in any of those tests yet. They've been trying to achieve both stage reusability. It's also the largest rocket in history, by a large margin.
Perhaps I'm overreaching with claiming its not a competitor to SLS, but its clear its not in the same rocket class as SLS and definitely not a competitor to Starship which is in a much higher class of vehicle and also aiming for full reusability. New Glenn's turnaround time is not measured in weeks, not yet. I'm not sure how it is "ahead" of Starship when it's not even aiming for the same capability. It's purpose is different. Ergzay (talk) 09:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability. We posted milestones for both Starship and Falcon 9, and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. Tradedia 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose There seems to have been a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch

Proposed image Article: David Lynch (talk · history · tag)
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Blurb:  American filmmaker David Lynch dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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 Jon698 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Post-posting strong oppose Per DMartin. Also I'd bet a very strong majority people on Misplaced Pages never even heard this man's name and even more don't know who he is. Keep this to the recent deaths section. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:D98D:390A:3EE1:CE70 (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker

Article: Bob Uecker (talk · history · tag)
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Weak support: Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. MT(710) 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Still working to expand and source between meetings today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. Ed  23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field. — Masem (t) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tommy Brown (baseball)

Article: Tommy Brown (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Youngest position player in MLB history at 16. Article has referencing issues. Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, article title is at (baseball). Natg 19 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi

Article: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi (talk · history · tag)
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An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of Nadwatul Ulama at the time of his death. Khaatir (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stephanie Aeffner

Article: Stephanie Aeffner (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: German Member of Parliament TNM101 (chat) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Diane Langton

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Nominator's comments: English actress, singer and dancer – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Linda Nolan

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Nominator's comments: Irish singer and television personality – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jack Hoffman

Article: Jack Hoffman (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape. –DMartin 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Israel-Hamas ceasefire

Article: Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and Hamas agree to a three-phase ceasefire proposal that aims to end 15 months of war in the Gaza Strip.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Israel and Hamas agree to a temporary ceasefire including the release of 33 hostages and thousands of Palestinian prisoners-of-war.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
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 Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong support on notability About time. Departure– (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll also add oppose on quality for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). Departure– (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Added altblurb. Departure– (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Departure– are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). Departure– (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.VR (Please ping on reply) 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak support on article quality, support on notability - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
I believe you've mixed up your votes, @Wildfireupdateman ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Oops Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
changed :) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability for obvious reasons, but weak oppose on quality as the article needs to be updated. The Kip 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Prefer the original blurb over ALT1 as well, given there were more parties to the deal than just Israel and Hamas + there's (unfortunately) no guarantee this permanently ends the war. Do feel the hostage release should be somehow noted, though. The Kip 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Temporarily changing to Wait per Modest Genius - neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor any of the mediators have formally announced the deal yet. Let's pump the brakes until that happens. The Kip 17:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    The USA’s now confirmed the deal, but I’m remaining at wait until it formally goes into effect The Kip 20:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Support now that’s it’s in effect. The Kip 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait to get the article(s) in shape. Obviously this is a major development and I support on notability, but it was announced leaked literally a few minutes ago. We now have separate articles on Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (which is still presented as only a proposal) and 2025 exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners, which should be the bold link but focuses on the hostage exchange rather than the ceasefire and needs to include some reaction. It should probably also be renamed. ITN should let that article settle down a bit rather than rushing to post - we're not a news ticker. Modest Genius 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. Modest Genius 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Another update: it has now been announced that the ceasefire will begin on 19 Jan. So we should wait until then to post, which also gives time for the articles to be sorted out. Modest Genius 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    According to the Wall Street Journal, this is an "agreement to the outline" of the deal that was leaked. There will be 24-48 hours before it is finalized. It's major news, but an alternative blurb with attribution is necessary. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability, noting that yet another article was created at 2025 Israel–Hamas ceasefire, meaning a merge should definitely be considered. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. Gotitbro (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait, but if nothing changes for one hour promote this quickly. JayCubby 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. ✈ mike_gigs contribs 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    .....this is a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. Masem (t) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. ✈ mike_gigs contribs 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    WP:CRYSTAL. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. The Kip 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. Modest Genius 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Modest Genius I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it might not hold once in effect. The Kip 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Agreed. Modest Genius 20:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to Abcmaxx, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a permanent end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. FlipFlopped ツ 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    I understand the WP:CRYSTAL arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
    See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait/Support for the deal going into effect. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support notable and major event
QalasQalas (talk) 20:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. /home/gracen/ (they/them) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (Israeli cabinet needs to agree). Bremps... 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
That would be true, if it wasn't already listed in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 17:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Speedy Post its important and to check why others refuse:
1) It may not actually lead to anything. well guess what, the section is "In The News", not "Development of Peace" or something like that. And this is very much in the news.
2) It's only temporary. Yes, the blurb makes it look like it's finally over, but @Nfitz has added ALT2 which seems better.
3) It didn't even happen yet. Okay, until 2 hours ago at least. Now I guess we don't have to wait, right?
4) Israel can just stop it. Once again, it's In The News and not "Development of Peace". Now for those who were saying that before the ceasefire begun, I can understand. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
@Scratchinghead not to mention, those arguing #1 and #4 (and somewhat #2) are firmly into WP:CRYSTAL territory. The Kip 17:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
You don't mention the only issue, Scratchinghead, that I think is stopping this getting blurbed. It's already in the ITN in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Speedy post Ceasefire is in effect, hostages are being exchanged currently. Lets get this through now. Personisinsterest (talk) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
@Admins willing to post ITN: this is good to go. The Kip 17:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Which blurb? Valereee (talk) 17:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
@Valereee just speaking for myself, but IMO the original blurb is best;
  • ALT1 implies the entire three-phase deal has been agreed to in order to end the war, when in reality only phase 1 has been agreed to and the Israeli gov thus far seems not keen on further phases.
  • ALT2 implies all Palestinian prisoners being released are POWs/combatants from the current war, when many (most?) are not - some are, some are civilians, some were convicted of terrorism or other non-combat charges, etc.
I would prefer something like "A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war, involving the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners," but that would also be a supervote on my part.
The Kip 17:55, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Perhaps "suspend" would be better than "halt". I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire. ALT-2 was an attempt to make something that didn't announce the end of the war. Nfitz (talk) 18:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire.
@Nfitz In theory, per negotiators, this ceasefire is intended to ultimately reach an end to the war as part of the three-phase framework; last year's ceasefire didn't carry the same connotations for anyone but the most optimistic. It's not guaranteed that it does, but similarly, there's no guarantee it doesn't; WP:CRYSTAL dictates we can't make that decision ourselves. The Kip 18:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
So how is this not already covered in ongoing, and should we leave it in ongoing? (I'd strongly support if it wasn't in ongoing) Nfitz (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
@Nfitz:
  1. Ongoing is not a universal override against including any events from an item in ITN - it instead heavily raises the bar for anything from that item to appear. I believe we posted the Kursk offensive last year and the Kharkiv/Kherson counteroffensives the year before, despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine already being there.
  2. As per precedence from the invasion of Lebanon item, we should probably leave it in ongoing until a definitive conclusion can be made on whether it's truly at an end - in this case, at least through when we know if phase 2 will actually go into effect.
The Kip 18:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm just reading that Israel has killed 19 people in Gaza today alone - hours after they were supposed to stop fighting. This all feels too soon to me. Nfitz (talk) 18:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
They did that when they delayed the ceasefire because they wanted Hamas to release the names first. The ceasefire did go into effect, and Hamas released the names and the hostages. Personisinsterest (talk) 22:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Definitely ready The prisoner exchange is ongoing. ArionStar (talk) 02:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
@Admins willing to post ITN: another ping, this item should now be posted, as the ceasefire is currently active, with prisoners being exchanged by both sides. I support using the original blurb, or Alt II. Natg 19 (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest

Article: Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested after his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested in a standoff involving over 3000 police officers.
News source(s): https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
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Nominator's comments: First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant. Ca 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Support as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) Prince Of Iso (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. Didgogns (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. Gotitbro (talk) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. Masem (t) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --Rockstone 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per Trump precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. In common English usage, "arrest" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "white-collar crimes") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support A major event of the Korean crisis. ArionStar (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per above, still important. Sahaib (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- Patar knight - /contributions 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. Ca 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- Patar knight - /contributions 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support This should actually be added due to the fact that this might be the first on record president of the Republic of Korea to be arrested, and plus @Ca is right, he can return to power. So he is technically still the president and this standoff led to an arrest. Shaneapickle (talk) 13:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support altblurb 2 - not just the arrest. The standoff at Yoon Suk Yeol's residence is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • "Sitting head of government arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
Note on linking: the prez bio article is currently titled Yoon Suk Yeol. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical Romanization, so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - very notable, sitting president arrested
Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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