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| You may wish to read up on Misplaced Pages's policy on ]. --]<sub>(])</sub> 03:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == March 2008 == | |||
| ] Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages{{#if:User talk:64.128.172.131|, as you did to ]}}, you will be ] from editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-delete3 --> ]<sub>(])</sub> 18:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :''If this is a shared ], and you didn't make the edit, consider ] for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.'' | |||
| I don't know what you're on your high horse about...the template on top of ] is simply a notice that the IP resolves to a specific organization, that the IP may be used by many different individuals (and, therefore, messages left on that page may not be received by the exact end-user for whom they may have been intended), and that as a shared address for public use it may be the source of extensive unrelated acts of vandalism that may merit long-term limitation on anonymous editing if necessary (very common for school IPs, elementary to college--and {{user|64.128.172.131}} is no exception). That's it. What is the within the template that merits and ? | |||
| If you make any further edits that appear to contitute a legal threat, I will block this IP address, per ] policy, pending withdrawl of said legal threats. Furthermore, if there is further vandalism from this IP address--such as , , , , , , and more--this address ''will'' be blocked from editing. — ]'']'' 23:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="user-block"> ] {{#if:|You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''time'''|You have been temporarily ''']''' from editing}} in accordance with ] for {{#if:|'''reason'''|]}}. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:|— ]'']'' 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block1 --> | |||
| is, again, disruptive. Your block lasts 24 hours. In the future, please discuss removal of maintenance templates on article talk pages. And please use an ]. — ]'']'' 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| You, Scientizzle are making threats against me, and that I won't tolerate. I don't plan to withdraw anything I have written. I feel within my legal and more importantly human rights to cite the laws I feel are in my favor against my enemies. I appeal to all other authorities for appellate review of this administrator's actions, and if necessary I will seek outside review by outside authorities. I was thinking of making an account, but not now with snobs and judgmental folks like you. Citizendium sounds like a more worthy of my consideration to contribute to. And I feel there I would get a more fair hearing. | |||
| You proved my point, you are judgmental and seem to hate me. I shouldn't go just because you say so, and I won't censor what I feel just because you and Misplaced Pages want to censor my free speech. No matter how you try to media spin it, Misplaced Pages is a public forum. Look at the United States Jaycees and the Rotary International organization, both tried to claim to be private and both lost in the US Supreme Court which held they were public and subject to civil rights law over their objections. I don't see how Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Foundation can continue to proclaim otherwise to this. Feel free to try to explain. I'll be around between classes. | |||
| I just created an account, so I will be back even with my IP address blocked. So there, Scientizzle, I will once again be back to contribute in the way I feel best. Alot of your maintenance tags are an eyesore, and if I submitted that for a project, my professors would dock me points on my grade. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==Your recent edits== | |||
| Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to ] and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should ] by typing four ]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button ] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!<!-- Template:Tilde --> --] (]) 23:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Note sure what you mean == | |||
| It appears things may have gotten off on the wrong foot; please accept my apologies for any frustration that may have been caused by your prior interactions with the Misplaced Pages community. | |||
| Could you clarify what you mean by "the threat against Adirondack Community College"? The {{tl|sharedipedu}} notice you're removing from the page is one of a few standard templates we place on IP talk pages, and is potentially important as it lets users know that the IP is shared by multiple users (and, for example, that messages may first be seen by someone other than the intended recipient, which can be confusing for writer and reader alike). It may be quite helpful to users wondering why the IP is occasionally blocked, or to administrators in configuring such blocks. If there's some ambiguous or menacing language in the template, that is probably best resolved if the template itself is changed -- but I can't really do that unless you explain the problem in more detail. | |||
| Finally, we cannot and do not intend to limit your full array of legal options, but as a community Misplaced Pages must ask that you avoid initiating or resolving legal business on the wiki itself; if you are interested in resolving matters outside of the wiki, then you may instead wish to use ], which should be linked from every page. I regret that I have to end this message with a warning, but it's important you know that any further legal threats made ''on the wiki'' may result in blocking. You're welcome to engage in dialog here, but please keep legal matters in particular off of the wiki. | |||
| Thank you for your time and consideration. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 23:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I considered your message to me and I must take exception with some of it, others I have nothing against. I think one should have the right to announce even on wiki the possibility of filing a legal action against Misplaced Pages itself or against another wiki member and have the right to use this service to make it public. In that regard I am adhering to a legal judgment issued by a US District Court that held that once a place is opened as a public forum, the forum owner has no right or power to amend or prohibit a speaker's message just because they disagree with it. If someone is blocked because of this policy and in violation of that precedent, if I were a sitting judge I would have no problem issuing an order including a mandamus commanding Misplaced Pages to unblock my petitioning party before me and an injunction against the No Legal Threats policy as currently written. I hold it's unconstitutional under my state's constitution and the US Constitution as interpreted by Supreme Court precedent on public forum speech, in particular the US District Court judgment I am taking my lead on from this. If I planned to make any legal claim in court, I would at least have the courtesy to notify the other side of my intention before I did it. If my only means was to make a notice of it on Misplaced Pages in a user page, I'd use it as my most reliable means. Addendum to my one statement above before closing, if I were going to issue an order on the No Legal Threats policy to order Misplaced Pages to unblock someone that violated it based on my finding of unconstitutionality, I'd also enjoin any further blocks of editors based on this and pending further action based on other Wiki policy without permission of the court. Otherwise, to whom this concerns, I respect you and hope to have a good working relationship with you. If you wish to email me, I'll provide my email address to you. | |||
| :One flaw with that statement: Misplaced Pages is not a public forum. The talk pages are intended to be used in order to discuss improvements to the project. Therefore, any speech not directly related to that can be and often is removed. It's perfectly reasonable to want to notify others if you plan on taking legal action, however, Misplaced Pages policy prohibits users from posting that on talk pages. Most users provide email addresses, which is the best way to contact them in such an event, since it's more confidential than a talk page (viewable by everyone). | |||
| :At any rate, if you're going to be a lawyer, you may as well provide sources for your claims, starting with that district court judgment. Then we can decide if legal threats on Misplaced Pages fall under its protection. --]<sub>(])</sub> 07:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I link for your viewing a judgment I follow in stating the facts as I see them, of the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida in Boy Scouts of America vs. Till http://www.netside.net/usdcfls/publications/00cv7776.pdf | |||
| And the judgment of the Supreme Court of the United States in Boy Scouts of America vs. Dale | |||
| http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=99-699 | |||
| Hope to hear from you soon. Also if anyone here is a praying sort, one of my professors from ESC is got some growth on a liver scan. Further tests will have to be performed to find out the rest of the facts. | |||
| If the one link to the Supreme Court judgment doesn't work, just run Boy Scouts vs. Dale in a general search engine. | |||
| ::RE:Court Cases: Err, those court cases prove nothing. One is about requiring forced admissions (ruling: Boy Scouts DO NOT have to admit homosexual persons to their organization) and the other is a preliminary injunction. If I'm missing something, please feel free to '''quote''' the part of a final ruling showing that Misplaced Pages can't ban users. Furthermore, wouldn't any jurisdiction reside in the state of the defendant, in this case where ever Misplaced Pages is based out of? ] (]) 18:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Future Reference == | |||
| Please take a look at ] and ]. Misplaced Pages is a privately owned website and is not a forum for unregulated free speech. Ergo, any arguments saying that deletion of comments or blocking is in violation of First Amendment rights is invalid. I didn't point out these policies earlier, so I figured I'd do it now. --]<sub>(])</sub> 22:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I dissent from the statement last sent to me by you and I still hold the opinion that the policies espoused by Misplaced Pages are unconstitutional violations of freedom of speech, and I would bet my next allowance payout that a court here would order a reversal of the blocks administration imposes on people like me. Contrary to yours and the Foundation's statements, this IS a PUBLIC FORUM. I would probably soon start a page to denounce Misplaced Pages and all it stands for that is against human freedom of speech. And the policy against original research is stupid, that is what schools and colleges sometimes call upon students to do in many class projects. I had to do some research of my own for a term paper at the end of last term. Also anyone who went or is going to graduate college would know those in Master's and Doctorate degree programs alot of those programs require their students to perform original research for peer and faculty review to be worthy of degree conferral at those levels. To close my message, no wonder people are jumping ship from Misplaced Pages and moving on to more worthy projects, like Citizendium. I congratulate Larry Sanger on his courage and wish him the best of success and eventual triumph over Misplaced Pages. | |||
| :You're still not getting it. This isn't a public forum ''because'' the Wikimedia Foundation says it isn't. If you were to go to a ] forum and exercised your right to disagree with them, they'd delete everything you said pretty quickly and there'd be nothing wrong with that. That is the right of a website owner. The First Amendment prevents Congress from abridging free speech, but there's nothing in there about private citizens. | |||
| :And seriously, if you dislike Misplaced Pages so much, why are you bothering to stay? Every policy here has a reason behind it. If you disagree, fine. That's why Citizendium and others were created. Go there and stop pretending to be a lawyer here. --]<sub>(])</sub> 00:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Cipo13 is right here - this is an online encyclopedia, not a public forum. I cannot tell you how many morons post links to forums here in Misplaced Pages, and get all upset when those links get pulled for either not being reliable, verifiable, noteworthy or neutral. I don't want to rain on your free speech parade, but Misplaced Pages ony works when we ''all'' follow the rules. It's what you agreed to when you signed up to edit. See ]. If you need some mentoring to help you over the learning curve of Misplaced Pages, let me know. I would like to help. You've got passion; you just need to know where the sides of the road are. Drop me a line and let me know. - ] ] 00:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| To Clpo13: I never claimed to be a lawyer, but I am a student studying towards those ends. I'm still in undergraduate college. What you called me cuts real close to the civil illegal act of libelous statement and maybe I should consider possible legal options in handling your actions. But before that I would like to try for an informal resolution, to be able to keep this in family and outside of public proceedings. For the record as well, my college has a policy against the use of information from Misplaced Pages. In fact I think that is overall SUNY policy on the grounds on unreliability as an academic resource. I have no opinion on it as all I've used it for is as a quick reference when I am doing research of a personal nature. | |||
| To Arcayne: I appreciate your interest in me. Unfortunate I couldn't take you up on your offer of Misplaced Pages tutorials because of an unwarranted and unfair block by Scientizzle. If you could reverse it yourself, would you override him so I can take your lessons as you suggest? I'd love to accept your offer. | |||
| To Clpo32: Just because you and the Wikimedia Foundation proclaims Misplaced Pages private doesn't mean it is under the law. The United States Jaycees tried that argument only to have the US Supreme Court affirm a California Court of Appeal judgment against the national organization that the club was not private but was a public organization and therefor subject to a California civil rights statute that forbade discrimination against women. I would apply that precedent here to hold that the Wikimedia Foundation's proclaimation is without merit, Misplaced Pages is a public forum and subject to civil rights law including freedom of speech and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 42 USC 1983 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/1983.html | |||
| If you read that I would conclude from the text it also enforces my own rights under the law of New York, my home state. So no matter what you, any administrator or the Foundation promulgates, I still conclude Misplaced Pages is a public forum and must allow free debate if it allows free editing. Otherwise it should totally end the practice of allowing user editing and totally place it in professional hands, like Citizendium. | |||
| == Blocked, again == | |||
| is another example of you removing a perfectly reasonable maintenance tag without discussion or even an edit summary. Your comments on this page make it clear that you have no interest in cooperatively participating and building this encyclopedia. This block will expire in 72 hours. — ]'']'' 03:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="user-block"> ] {{#if:|You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''{{{time}}}'''|You have been temporarily ''']''' from editing}} in accordance with ] for {{#if:|'''{{{reason}}}'''|repeated ]}}. Please stop. You're welcome to ] after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:|— ]'']'' 03:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block2 --> | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|1=Appeal on grounds of unfair treatment by Scientizzle, who I think has a vendetta against me by making me be blocked again|decline=The removal of maintenance tags from articles without reason or explanation is disruptive. You were told that before. You were blocked for that before. That you continue to do so shows that you are unrepentant in this regard, and this block is fully justified. — ].].] 04:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)}} | |||
| (( unblock|I believe I was given an unfair review by Jayron32 and would like him to not review my case again. I maintain the block is unfair, and that all blocks against anyone are unfair and unconstutitional censorship and illegal to do under 42 USC sec 1983. I also want unblocking to take up Arcayne's offer to me to study under him about Misplaced Pages )) | |||
| Why should I be repentent to any man? Only God should I be repentent to. It's He who I answer to. To Arcayne, I hope to see you soon. Your offer of teaching me about Misplaced Pages is of some interest to me, and I'd love to learn from you. At least you've been civil and friendly, willing to extend a hand to me when these hardassed administrators like the one above only have been judgmental and hateful. | |||
| :I understand your frustration. Now I would like you to take a moment and try to see how others here are perceiving your actions. You've been blocked for something which you have apparently done before - and were blocked for as well. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. | |||
| :You also need to understand that by citing different laws in defense of behavior contrary to the privately owned Misplaced Pages skirts dangerously close to ]. I would urge you to read that article asap, as further steps down that road will result in you being blocked for idefinite amount of time. Wiki admins are empowered to block folk. As a private site, they have the right to make those rules which serve the largest number of the contributors and the Foundations ends. You don't have to like it, but you have to observe it. | |||
| ::Use the time you are blocked to read all of the rules, and commit yourself to follow them. Neither I nor anyone else can help you along if you are going to resist following the same rules the rest of us do. - ] ] 18:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Starting over...== | |||
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| Please read the links in the above welcome message. If you have future queries regarding the legal status of any on-Misplaced Pages actions or statements, please direct your concerns to the . I would love to see Misplaced Pages gain a new productive editor. Good luck. — ]'']'' 16:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Just got your message, thanks for the welcome. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I was out on a mission with one of my professors and couldn't be reached until now. If you want to know my reasoning behind my feelings on Misplaced Pages, I will cite the Supreme Court judgments I took my lead from, involving both the United States Jaycees and the Rotary International foundation. If it is possible, would you overturn the block on the IP address? Also, got a personal question. What do you feel about Citizendium as a product competing with Misplaced Pages, and the fact my college has a policy against using Misplaced Pages? Curious to know. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :College and Misplaced Pages: I highly doubt that any place of higher education has a "Thou shalt not see Misplaced Pages" commandment. That said, in academic papers, sources such as encyclopedias are generally not used to begin with. This includes Misplaced Pages. Primary (original, peer reviewed and published research including, but not limited to, review papers) and secondary sources (e.g. published books) would be much more appropriate to use than an encyclopedia. The problem with Misplaced Pages that requires an explicit "Don't source Misplaced Pages" is that it is much widely accessible. Most people don't trot off to college with a full set of Encyclopedia Britannica for their dorm room. Simply put, college is not grade school or middle school, and as such, they expect their students to being producing academic style papers. On that note, I had a professor source Misplaced Pages for one of his lecture slides this year, but I'm sure that him being a doctor (PhD or MD, not sure and don't feel like going back to check the slides) means that the information taught is accurate, regardless of the source of a quote used. ] (]) 18:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Unblocked== | |||
| This address is unblocked based on discussion . — ]'']'' 21:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
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