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| :Well that doesn't help much. We can't cite private communications and it's clear that another organisation claims to be the continuation of the original India League as well. Without an independent source that explicitly makes the connection, we can't suggest this in the article. ] (]) 21:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Relationship between India League and 1928 Institute
I've reverted this edit because it suggested that the 1928 Institute is the new name for original India League, whereas the Institute's website states "The 1928 Institute was established in 2020 as a think-tank to continue the work of the original India League (est. 1928)" and to my mind, this suggests that it's not actually the same organisation. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- This BBC source states that "Formerly known as the India League, the organisation has since rebranded due to its work with the University of Oxford", but this could simply reflect the fact that when the Institute launched, it was calling itself the India League. I don't see any evidence that it's the same organisation as the original League. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Cordless Larry I hope all is well. Thanks for sending this through. I do not think that the BBC would publish that statement if it was not true (it's written as a matter-of-fact). When researching their article, they must have spoken with numerous parties in order to confirm that the 1928 Institute is a rebrand of the original India League - in the BBC article they did interview community elders and academics.
Thank you for sending the above link and when I checked out the 'Notable Alumni' and 'Our Journey' - , it said that they are a 'continuation of the original India League'. Furthermore, looking at the list of 'Notable Members', I can't imagine them joining a organisation if it was being disingenuous.
Maybe we can e-mail welcome@1928institute.org to get confirmation that its a continuation of the original India League? There is also this scholar - https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/the-india-league , who should be able to confirm the situation. JumpingJimmySingh (talk) 20:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- The BBC source doesn't explicitly state that the organisation is a continuation of the original India League though, just that it used to be called the India League (which, as I've demonstrated, it was when it was launched in 2020). Here is another organisation called the India League, which claims to have been founded in 1928 (see also this). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for sending this across. Shall we just leave the page how it is for now? I can try and contact the aforementioned parties to get a clearer understanding of the matter.
JumpingJimmySingh (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest reverting to this version, so that we don't suggest that the two organisations are the same without proof that that's the case. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I've written this and I think it caters for both of our points of view. I hope this is OK - I'd like to introduce the following end of the previous section - "Latterly, its public presence faded. and the group fragmented".
1928 Institute "In 2020, the 1928 Institute was established by academics at the University of Oxford, , "to research and represent the views of British Indians – the UK’s largest ethnic minority group". "Formerly known as the India League, the organisation has since rebranded due to its work with the University of Oxford", states the BBC.' I'll contact all parties in the mean time to try and get more information.
JumpingJimmySingh (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Using that quote without context suggests that it's the same organisation, which we haven't established, so I disagree with that wording. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your speedy response, I messaged the 1928 Institute and they responded with "The 1928 Institute was established in 2020 as a think-tank and is the continuation of the original India League (est. 1928) - https://www.1928institute.org/the-india-league-story."
JumpingJimmySingh (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well that doesn't help much. We can't cite private communications and it's clear that another organisation claims to be the continuation of the original India League as well. Without an independent source that explicitly makes the connection, we can't suggest this in the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)