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| Hi, you blocked {{noping|Khirurg}} last November for personal attacks (including accusing other editors of "tag-teaming") . Today Khirurg accused a newbie of "following around" without evidence . Even after the newbie tried to explain they were not following Khirurg around , Khirurg repeated the same accusation . Is this allowed or is Khirurg making unconstructive comments again? Can you please take a look because I am largely inexperienced with such Misplaced Pages matters? ] (]) | Hi, you blocked {{noping|Khirurg}} last November for personal attacks (including accusing other editors of "tag-teaming") . Today Khirurg accused a newbie of "following around" without evidence . Even after the newbie tried to explain they were not following Khirurg around , Khirurg repeated the same accusation . Is this allowed or is Khirurg making unconstructive comments again? Can you please take a look because I am largely inexperienced with such Misplaced Pages matters? ] (]) | ||
| :Khirurg's accusation that AlexBachmann is following them around seems to not be true. For example, their dispute on ] today started when Khirurg reverted an edit of AlexBachmann, not vice versa . ] (]) 21:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC) | :Khirurg's accusation that AlexBachmann is following them around seems to not be true. For example, their dispute on ] today started when Khirurg reverted an edit of AlexBachmann, not vice versa . ] (]) 21:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC) | ||
| ::Why are you complaining about Khirurg's conduct vis-a-vis another editor? Shouldn't Alex be the one complaining? Anyway, I'm not getting involved.--] (]) 23:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
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User talk:Skhofeni
Ok to unblock? Decline? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't quite get why you're "eager" to unblock this user. They're persistent, but I don't find them very convincing.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- DFO, this is one of MANY socks and they've socked as recently as two days ago, I'm not sure why this would ever be considered especially given there are multiple CU blocks? PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- I believe the issue is whether they are in fact a sock of the master. The CU finding was "possible".--Bbb23 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously I'm not privy to the unblock or the CU information but I can't imagine there's much compelling in the way of an unblock for this sock farm, meat or otherwise. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The CU finding was at the SPI, i.e., it was public.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- I meant the data itself. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The CU finding was at the SPI, i.e., it was public.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously I'm not privy to the unblock or the CU information but I can't imagine there's much compelling in the way of an unblock for this sock farm, meat or otherwise. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- I believe the issue is whether they are in fact a sock of the master. The CU finding was "possible".--Bbb23 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Not eager. Just clearing CAT:UNBLOCK will decline-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- You said you were eager, Deepfriedokra. In any event, can you please sign your post above? Otherwise this lovely thread will never archive. :p --Bbb23 (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Any eagerness was killed by the drudgery of reviewing unblock requests. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- You probably deserve a barnstar for the work you do with unblock requests and UTRS. You should take a break and do something more fun...you know, like blocking socks, vandals, and other miscreants.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mostly spammers.. Then vandals. Sometime socks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- and RfPP -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mostly spammers.. Then vandals. Sometime socks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- You probably deserve a barnstar for the work you do with unblock requests and UTRS. You should take a break and do something more fun...you know, like blocking socks, vandals, and other miscreants.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Any eagerness was killed by the drudgery of reviewing unblock requests. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks
Just as I was about to revert the user who erroneously reverted me, you took care of it. Just as I was about to reply to the ridiculous warning they left on my talk page, you reverted their warning. And just as I was deciding how to deal with this user (all of whose edits were either reverted or were complaints/warnings about those reversions), I noticed that you had issued a block. Thanks for being one step ahead of me all along! MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM 17:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weird user - you're welcome.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
User:AidepikiwIV
Could you explain to me how a user that keeps making the same edit over and over again without using any edit summaries or talk page discussion is not edit warring, and how the edit warring noticeboard is not the right venue for them to be blocked for edit warring? Within two hours they again deleted the file without an edit summary, , and reverted the link to the noticeboard discussion, . Aspects (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Sorry, like Bbb23 said, this is better suited to WP:ANI. One could argue that you too were edit warring. The other issues are not related to edit warring, but are concerns raisable at ANI. Best -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
User:Space Bopper
I don't usually intervene in these things, but a block on the basis of unconstructive editing, when all the evidence I've seen is that they are a new and inexperienced user who is trying to be constructive (such as here), seems excessive, at best. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- The user is at best incompetent. It's a combination of their live and deleted edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:40, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Well, competence is acquired through experience, and I would have thought advice would be better than a block. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Editing while logged out
Bbb23, without going into details, if I suspect an editor has commented in a Talk page discussion while logged out, in violation of WP:LOUTSOCK, what can I do? I know that WP:SPI and CheckUsers are very reticent about checking IPs against named accounts because of privacy issues... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- CheckUsers will not connect an IP to a named account, but that doesn't mean that an administrator, including a CheckUser, cannot look at the problem. You'll have to provide me with the details if you want me to check it out.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you – here is the IP edit in question. It should be obvious from the context of the Talk page discussion who the named account corresponds to. You may also want to take a look at that user's talk page (and edit history), as they seem to be pretty disruptive in general. Thanks again. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've blocked the named account as a sock of Dealer07, a relatively prolific LTA. I don't think it's necessary to block the IP unless they continue to edit. In case I don't notice, let me know if they do.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you – here is the IP edit in question. It should be obvious from the context of the Talk page discussion who the named account corresponds to. You may also want to take a look at that user's talk page (and edit history), as they seem to be pretty disruptive in general. Thanks again. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
3RR Closing request
This page is not a proxy for ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi Bbb23, the following 3RR report has been archived without closing. Would it be possible to formally close it please? Thank you पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 04:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Many reports at AN3 archive without any administrative action, and as a rule archived reports are not "unarchived". In short, no.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Any reason for no action being taken? Should I re-file? Thank you पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- You should not re-file, unless there is new edit-warring at a different article. If you believe that there is an ongoing conduct issue with another editor that can only be remedied by administrative intervention, go to WP:ANI. I have no comment on the merits of such a complaint; therefore, I am not endorsing such a move on your part, just pointing out your options.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK... So no reason for not closing this request? (I thought you were taking the case since you had responded to it) And why would a new filing only concern a different article? Wouldn't new 3RR breaches on the same article constitute offenses? (I have been refraining from editing this article because of the ongoing case, but if I edit again I am quite sure the 3RR breaches will resume...) पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- The only edits to the article have been F&f's today. Before that, there've been no edits since July 11. How can that constitute new edit-warring? And we don't accept pre-emptive edit-warring reports. Commenting at an administrative noticeboard does not mean that someone "is "taking the case".--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- You must be looking at the wrong article: there have been about 100 edits, with edits almost every day, by Fowler&fowler on the article Lion Capital of Ashoka since I've filed the report 10 August 2022, other users total 5 edits on the same period, I've made 0 edits since August 10 because of the ongoing 3RR case. If there are new 3RR breaches by F&F when I start editing again, can I file a report? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Sounds like you intend to edit war. Let's try this-- discuss your concerns about content and sourcing on the talk page before you make any changes. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- That is to say, obtain WP:CONSENSUS first. Then follow WP:dispute resolution if no consensus can be reached. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Deepfriedokra: I am not the one edit-warring here , and look what trying to get a consensus looks like on that page . I never edit-war, nor break the 3RR rule. I will only add good content from reliable sources. If it gets reverted, fine, I'll try to improve and explain, and yes, discuss. But if someone breaks the 3RR rule or keeps using abusive language against me, I will report it, as I have the right to. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- That is to say, obtain WP:CONSENSUS first. Then follow WP:dispute resolution if no consensus can be reached. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Sounds like you intend to edit war. Let's try this-- discuss your concerns about content and sourcing on the talk page before you make any changes. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- You must be looking at the wrong article: there have been about 100 edits, with edits almost every day, by Fowler&fowler on the article Lion Capital of Ashoka since I've filed the report 10 August 2022, other users total 5 edits on the same period, I've made 0 edits since August 10 because of the ongoing 3RR case. If there are new 3RR breaches by F&F when I start editing again, can I file a report? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- The only edits to the article have been F&f's today. Before that, there've been no edits since July 11. How can that constitute new edit-warring? And we don't accept pre-emptive edit-warring reports. Commenting at an administrative noticeboard does not mean that someone "is "taking the case".--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK... So no reason for not closing this request? (I thought you were taking the case since you had responded to it) And why would a new filing only concern a different article? Wouldn't new 3RR breaches on the same article constitute offenses? (I have been refraining from editing this article because of the ongoing case, but if I edit again I am quite sure the 3RR breaches will resume...) पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- You should not re-file, unless there is new edit-warring at a different article. If you believe that there is an ongoing conduct issue with another editor that can only be remedied by administrative intervention, go to WP:ANI. I have no comment on the merits of such a complaint; therefore, I am not endorsing such a move on your part, just pointing out your options.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Any reason for no action being taken? Should I re-file? Thank you पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Many reports at AN3 archive without any administrative action, and as a rule archived reports are not "unarchived". In short, no.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Why? So that you can hound the closer as you did Bishonen the previous time you wanted a pound of my flesh? I'm not saying I'm innocent, but sometimes it is best to accept a judgment and move on. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:22, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe it grew so large that it was impossible for anyone to determine where the clear blame lay. I see that you are attempting to bait me again at Talk:India but I'm not biting. For this is how the spat which I fatefully entered began. Apologies Bbb23 for barging in. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Potentially unconstructive comments
Hi, you blocked Khirurg last November for personal attacks (including accusing other editors of "tag-teaming") . Today Khirurg accused a newbie of "following around" without evidence . Even after the newbie tried to explain they were not following Khirurg around , Khirurg repeated the same accusation . Is this allowed or is Khirurg making unconstructive comments again? Can you please take a look because I am largely inexperienced with such Misplaced Pages matters? Durraz0 (talk)
- Khirurg's accusation that AlexBachmann is following them around seems to not be true. For example, their dispute on Dropull today started when Khirurg reverted an edit of AlexBachmann, not vice versa . Durraz0 (talk) 21:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Why are you complaining about Khirurg's conduct vis-a-vis another editor? Shouldn't Alex be the one complaining? Anyway, I'm not getting involved.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)