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The Construction section is far too long and detailed for a general encyclopedia article, and reads more like a graduate thesis in literary criticism. Much of the section appears to focus more on the theories of specific critics who are mentioned repeatedly by name. The central point - that Haley was very much involved in shaping both the tone and content - can be made and a few examples given in about a third of the length. ] (]) 04:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC) The Construction section is far too long and detailed for a general encyclopedia article, and reads more like a graduate thesis in literary criticism. Much of the section appears to focus more on the theories of specific critics who are mentioned repeatedly by name. The central point - that Haley was very much involved in shaping both the tone and content - can be made and a few examples given in about a third of the length. ] (]) 04:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
* I mean...that's not the central point. You're ] to edit down the section and I'm sure it could be shorter but understand that the issues are these:
** Squaring then contemporary arguments that Malcolm was the sole "author" with later work that contradicted this, WHILE bearing in mind that much of the back and forth over authorship happens without real input from Malcolm or Haley.
** Dealing with the possibility (fact?) that Haley materially changed things which became intimately associated w/ Malcolm's image in his later years (namely how the book deals with his relationship with the NOI.
** Accurately and respectfully summarizing the '''real''' and substantive academic and community debate about the authorship of the book and what it means.
* I don't believe that his can be summed up as "haley was involved with shaping both tone and content". Again, you're welcome to take a crack but please understand that there may be more going on than your surmise. ] (]) 04:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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Construction section badly needs to be edited for length

The Construction section is far too long and detailed for a general encyclopedia article, and reads more like a graduate thesis in literary criticism. Much of the section appears to focus more on the theories of specific critics who are mentioned repeatedly by name. The central point - that Haley was very much involved in shaping both the tone and content - can be made and a few examples given in about a third of the length. 64.30.93.144 (talk) 04:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

  • I mean...that's not the central point. You're welcome to edit down the section and I'm sure it could be shorter but understand that the issues are these:
    • Squaring then contemporary arguments that Malcolm was the sole "author" with later work that contradicted this, WHILE bearing in mind that much of the back and forth over authorship happens without real input from Malcolm or Haley.
    • Dealing with the possibility (fact?) that Haley materially changed things which became intimately associated w/ Malcolm's image in his later years (namely how the book deals with his relationship with the NOI.
    • Accurately and respectfully summarizing the real and substantive academic and community debate about the authorship of the book and what it means.
  • I don't believe that his can be summed up as "haley was involved with shaping both tone and content". Again, you're welcome to take a crack but please understand that there may be more going on than your surmise. Protonk (talk) 04:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
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