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this POV page does not include the important article from a leading Armenian HETQ magazine - about Armenians' destroying their own khachkars and cultural heritage -- and since the Hetq story compares this to khachkar (cross-stones or head-stones, common to Armenians and Caucasian Albanians of the region) destruction in Naxcivan, it was relevant. What is interesting, there are more admissions of khachkars being destroyed by Armenians themselves, especially around their capital of Yerevan -- for example, at this specialized khachkar website -

"Endangered Khachkars in Armenia and Artsakh It is particularly tragic that khachkars are also endangered in Armenia and Artsakh. They are disappearing, being damaged or moved. Most endangered are the old khachkar fields located near today’s graveyards, where khachkars are being eradicated for the creation of new burial space. The “crown of thorns” belongs to the khachkar field in Arinch near Yerevan. The situation is threatening in Noratus as well, where new burials are encroaching upon the khachkar field from at least three sides. The old graveyard of Areni is in almost the same situation. The movement of khachkars voluntarily by different individuals is a widespread practice. In some cases this is done to allegedly create a new holy place, for example, the case of Karmir Dalakner of Gegharquniq region where the khachkar was brought from Karvachar. Another case of moved khachkars is due to the decoration of new offices and especially entertainment establishments, as for example in the Vank village in Karabakh. The third and the most condemning practice is when khachkars are merely disappearing to decorate individual yards and houses. Khachkars are being damaged also by believers, worshipers and casual visitors, who light candles on them or write their names on them or engage in rituals that are damaging the carvings." See gallery of photos here -

Moreover, the destruction of cultural heritage (or Cultural Genocide, as some Armenians dubbed it) in Armenia, like elsewhere, has reached dangerous proportions and led to many protests both in press and in streets -- , , , and

Hence, if the Armenian and pro-Armenian view on destruction of khachkars by allegedly Azerbaijanis and allegedly in Naxcivan is to be included, then a contrarian view should be included too -- not just Azerbaijan's denial of wrongdoing by the government, but Armenians' own admission of breaking, destroying and otherwise mishandling their own khachkars on their own territory.

Do you have any third party sources? I even added one yet you haven't showed us one, plus this article is focusing on Naxicvan. Artaxiad 09:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Adil its funny that you find Hetq reliable source only when it matches with your views, but if it something else in the article that is against your views you decide not to add it or mention it. ROOB323 09:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop adding nonsense Adil, or Wikify it you dont bold sentences like that, you obviously are pushing POV. Artaxiad 09:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A blog is not reliable, all those you added will be removed since its obvious POV you have yet to give us reliable or third party sources. Artaxiad 09:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Adil I thought you voted this article for deletion, but now all of a sudden you started pushing your POW in this article. ROOB323 09:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Narek, you can't be renaming articles, for the sole purpose of later claiming that "this article is focusing on Naxicvan". What "third-party" sources? Do you consider the bunch of sources you've lined up in the references as "third-party"? And what blog if it's only one of 6 URLs I've provided?

ROOB323, there is nothing funny -- HETQ writes about a specific problem in Armenia -- if not an Armenian media, then who should write about it? Did you expect New York Times make a feature story on Armenians destroying khachkars and bringing them to Yerevan? And with the addition of so many close-up photos, clearly showing the damage and surroundings, any POV is impossible. Hence, it's a reliable source when it comes to showing this. Just like an article in an opposition newspaper in Azerbaijan (whilst HETQ is not opposition), that has photos, quotes, written by reputable journalist without an axe to grind -- is reputable when discussing internal problems of Azerbaijan.

Yes, I voted to delete the article, but I also commented, twice, from the beginning, that we might retain it by expanding it significantly, including all the counter-accusations and claims. --AdilBaguirov 09:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to rename

I propose that we rename this article to Status of Armenian cultural monuments in Nakhichevan. That way the article will be more objective and at the same time it won't be covering just the khachkar issue in Julfa. Any thoughts? Comments? -- Aivazovsky 13:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the article should remain at present title and cover destruction of khachkars irrespective of location. Grandmaster 13:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

See the AfD page on this for my response. -- Aivazovsky 13:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Grandmaster 13:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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