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::Then it should be clear in the wording that a jury found Martin acted in self defense. Not that it is a fact that he fired in self defense. "A jury found Zimmerman shot Martin in self- defense" is way different than "Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense." Even if it was added that Zimmerman maintains he shot Martin in self defense it would be much more accurate. It also maintains that Zimmerman was injured in the physical altercation, but does not mention that Martin was shot and died during said altercation which should also be added to be more fair and unbias ] (]) 16:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC) ::Then it should be clear in the wording that a jury found Martin acted in self defense. Not that it is a fact that he fired in self defense. "A jury found Zimmerman shot Martin in self- defense" is way different than "Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense." Even if it was added that Zimmerman maintains he shot Martin in self defense it would be much more accurate. It also maintains that Zimmerman was injured in the physical altercation, but does not mention that Martin was shot and died during said altercation which should also be added to be more fair and unbias ] (]) 16:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
:::What exactly do you find unclear about this wording? {{tquote|In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with murder of the second degree for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense.}} From a legal perspective, the finding of the jury is a finding of fact. We will not retry the case in an encyclopedia. And yes, the article makes abundantly clear that Martin died during the altercation, beginning with the first sentence: {{tquote|On the evening of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, United States, George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old African-American teenager.}} <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">]</span> <sup>] </sup> 16:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC) :::What exactly do you find unclear about this wording? {{tquote|In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with murder of the second degree for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense.}} From a legal perspective, the finding of the jury is a finding of fact. We will not retry the case in an encyclopedia. And yes, the article makes abundantly clear that Martin died during the altercation, beginning with the first sentence: {{tquote|On the evening of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, United States, George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old African-American teenager.}} <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">]</span> <sup>] </sup> 16:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
::::Cases like the murder of Emmett Till or the Scottsboro boys should make it clear that the finding of any Jury is not a finding of "Fact". Oftentimes the jury will make bias decisions, have important information hidden from them, be fed fake information, etc. Many of these things happen entirely based on whether or not a jury, prosecution, defense, country, etc. like someone or not.
::::Martin, being a black child, was subject to all sorts of slander. Attacked and killed by someone who is both largely seen as white by his supporters and opponents, and has no problem associating with white nationalists to make money or gain internet fame. The Jury that acquitted Martin, like the one that acquitted Till's murderers, was entirely white.
::::The article's wording is fine but your justification for it ("The Jury's opinion is fact") is not fine, and anything considered using that justification should be discussed beforehand. ] (]) 22:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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Originally reports stated at the time of the incident there was a curfew in place. Why is there no longer any mention of this curfew in any of the reports? 100.34.146.90 (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


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at the end of the article at "see also" there is a list of links. The link:

"Killing of Sara-Nicole Morales, 2021 Florida case where no charges were filed against a motorcyclist who fatally shot a pregnant woman on her front lawn after she deliberately struck his motorcycle with hercar, since she was waving a gun at him at the time."

states that she was pregnant. That's obviously not true. See the wiki post: "Killing of Sara-Nicole Morales". There it says: Police also determined that the woman was not pregnant after an autopsy was performed. [3 and adds the resource #3

What somebody change this? 2A02:8109:BCC0:1A94:AC29:A04C:C07A:14D9 (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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To change the spelling mistake of "inured" instead of "injured". Incessant worthlessness (talk) 03:55, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done General Ization 04:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

This Misplaced Pages story incorrectly describes the events under which an adult killed a child.

This Misplaced Pages story incorrectly describes the events under which an adult killed a child. Zimmerman did not kill Martin is self defense. Under Florida law, Martin was allowed to stand his ground against an armed adult who was stalking him. Martin was killed while attempting to defend himself. Zimmerman did not shoot Martin in self defense. Martin was killed by an armed adult who instigated an assault on a child. That’s not self defense. 138.88.157.54 (talk) 05:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

While you are entitled to your opinion, the jury that heard the case and acquitted Zimmerman found otherwise. All of the content in the article, including the discussion of various dissenting opinions about Zimmerman's state of mind and whether the acquittal was justified, is based on citations of published, reliable sources. We are not permitted as editors of an encyclopedia to promote your opinion to fact simply because it is your opinion. General Ization 05:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Then it should be clear in the wording that a jury found Martin acted in self defense. Not that it is a fact that he fired in self defense. "A jury found Zimmerman shot Martin in self- defense" is way different than "Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense." Even if it was added that Zimmerman maintains he shot Martin in self defense it would be much more accurate. It also maintains that Zimmerman was injured in the physical altercation, but does not mention that Martin was shot and died during said altercation which should also be added to be more fair and unbias 74.12.38.57 (talk) 16:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
What exactly do you find unclear about this wording? In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with murder of the second degree for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense. From a legal perspective, the finding of the jury is a finding of fact. We will not retry the case in an encyclopedia. And yes, the article makes abundantly clear that Martin died during the altercation, beginning with the first sentence: On the evening of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, United States, George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old African-American teenager. General Ization 16:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Cases like the murder of Emmett Till or the Scottsboro boys should make it clear that the finding of any Jury is not a finding of "Fact". Oftentimes the jury will make bias decisions, have important information hidden from them, be fed fake information, etc. Many of these things happen entirely based on whether or not a jury, prosecution, defense, country, etc. like someone or not.
Martin, being a black child, was subject to all sorts of slander. Attacked and killed by someone who is both largely seen as white by his supporters and opponents, and has no problem associating with white nationalists to make money or gain internet fame. The Jury that acquitted Martin, like the one that acquitted Till's murderers, was entirely white.
The article's wording is fine but your justification for it ("The Jury's opinion is fact") is not fine, and anything considered using that justification should be discussed beforehand. MayDay2099 (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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